WrestleMania 42 Special with Shawn Michaels, Austin Theory, and Danhausen

0:03Peter Rosenberg! Shout out, Zach. I got you. The major stick. Oh my goodness. It's professional wrestling. The king of kings. 24 seconds. Champions jam. A thousand percent confirmed. M-m-mage. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. M-m-m-m-m-m-mage. M-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m. Mal-mudger m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-mitch. M-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m. It's still rooted! M-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m. Mal-mudger m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m And get a drink, it's still rooted. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, episode 4 analogics. Sweet, sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Grant.

1:03I like delicious chicken. It was Rappauk. It was Rappauk. It's professional wrestling. It is time for Cheap Heat Live from the MGM Grand. Bossman Eddie, Paul Ehrlich is here. Kelly Murphy with the whole squad is here holding it down. Hot dog. We didn't even connect and he's already here holding it down all day long. so it's a big situation here unlike really ever before I mean even in the days of Sam and I and Dave LaGreca and a few others doing Radio Row it never quite resembled what it resembles right now which is just such a high level of interest in Wrestlemania from so many different outlets and of course now like just the huge onslaught of digital media that there is that also covers wrestling and get so much content out there.

1:55We have a fun show today. Different people are going to be coming by. We're going to hang out and talk. We're, of course, going to break down WrestleMania to a fine powder. Also, I should let you guys know, SGG and I recorded a Patreon episode yesterday, about 30 minutes going through the card, talking about a lot of different things and getting SGG's takes. SGG has also promised to do reaction Patreon episodes on Saturday and Sunday of WrestleMania. So if you're down with our Patreon, Sheep Heat Live on Patreon, encourage you to come hang out. So a lot of things to get to. I just was over at First Take on ESPN and spent some time with the Tribal Chief.

2:38I recommend you go watch that online if you missed it. I will say Roman, you know, obviously Roman dropped this video this week from the car talking about CM Punk, not in the friendliest of terms. And I will just say, like, Roman really does appear to be turned up to a thousand at this moment. Like, Roman is in a different place than I've seen him in a while. um while i don't think you know there was a lot of discussion early on about you know punk mentioning sika and listen i i always thought that was sort of ridiculous and all of that was you know part of this story however something did happen at some point that i think irritated roman and took him to a different level in this whole thing on top of that i i also think that roman is not completely working when he says that he hates CM Punk.

3:41And I got to tell you, something crossed my mind today that had really not crossed my mind previously in terms of the Punk-Roman dynamic. And you guys know, I've been saying every week, I think Punk has been cooking. Like, I really think he's been great on the microphone. But there is a little bit of hypocrisy to the idea that you know roman didn't earn it you know that idea of sort of it being given to roman while punk always just you know had to fight for it punk did fight for it but then once he fought for it he had it in a way where he literally didn't have to do anything anymore like once punk earned it he literally left the business for 10 years and still had it meanwhile roman reigns is working his way up through florida training in the business you know and yes it's very funny to say and true to say that he had a failed football career sure the football thing didn't work out he was a standout at georgia tech played alongside megatron calvin johnson doesn't work out for roman reigns he goes to fcw he starts training the shield forms but then don't forget after Roman was chosen you know by the people I mean the people really loved Roman initially I always think people forget that the people chose Roman first and then the company got very behind him and the push was very big for Roman Reigns and as a result of that push from the company the crowd then rejected Roman and their rejection of Roman lasted for a while and Roman really had to fight through that like in a in a real way for a long time and we're talking about a period of years when people were just not into it with Roman Reigns and he had to fight and fight and fight to to get his respect and then you fast forward all those years later and it's sort of perfect that after years of fighting whether you enjoyed the big dog era or not whether you're one of the people who is hitting beach balls around in the crowd at wrestlemania during roman reigns main events or not you have to admit that when the pandemic hit Roman Reigns is the guy who truly saved us in a lot of ways.

6:16And honestly, in a lot of ways, I mean, Roman individually was a huge part of like our lives. I will never forget where I was in that hotel room watching SmackDown and doing Cheap Heat Live. We were recording the podcast during SmackDown, one of the greatest moments in our podcast history, in the old era of the show. And Roman, the camera pans away and we see Paul Heyman with Roman Reigns. That moment totally shaped the pandemic era and what would happen then with the tribal chief. my point being Roman worked his ass off to get there like that was not just a simple he was chosen by Vince and just everything came easy to Roman Reigns that is that is a complete a completely misleading way to look at Roman Reigns as a superstar and his trajectory so I think that angle is interesting I think you know and at the same time of all the things you know roman says about punk i think i think roman overstates a lot about punk and punk has done a lot over the years to alienate different people at different times there's no question about cm punk is his own cat that guy is his own kind of guy but we cannot rewrite history with how great cm punk has been also cm punk and at the time right after which i came back to wwe which was i came back in a big way in 05 when punk comes along a couple of years later there's no question that he changes the entire landscape of pro wrestling um now after that did it lead to punk having you know a high opinion of himself or or having issues all those things can be true but hey man cm punk turned people into fan fans cm punk got mainstream attention not from associating with celebrities not from doing anything wacky outside of wrestling CM Punk got attention for pro wrestling by doing awesome things in the ring both wrestling and furthermore of course the pipe bomb these are all things that CM Punk simply did and as a result made the business bigger and better and and to me that's what makes this main event so appealing so that of course is your main event on Sunday night I don't think it really needs to be sold but it does seem like the the noise around Pat McAfee and Saturday night and all of that has kind of pushed Roman and Punk to go into over overdrive to really push this match forward which i don't even think is necessary but either way people are going to be very very high when it comes to sunday night you know and when i'm asked about what matches i'm looking forward to the most i feel a little bit cheesy saying the main event of the whole show but the truth is i think i'm most looking forward to the main event of the whole show cm punk and roman reigns and there's a lot of awesome stuff to get into uh on this card which we will do today and break it down to a fine powder and we will have interesting guests I'm told and many different things to discuss um was over at first take earlier where it something very unfortunate happened where Dan Housen cursed Stephen A.

10:11Smith and I'm told the New York Knicks also and that I I have to tell you I really hope for my my people back home that Dan Housen did not curse the Knicks now if he did curse the Knicks the good news is he just uncursed the Mets and the Mets still suck so you you can't be a hundred I don't know that the Dan Housen curse hits at a hundred percent accuracy so you can always hope that everything will turn out fine um in all seriousness I was just so dip and I were at first take uh and it was at Allegiant Stadium and we're hanging out everyone everybody's there all the big WWE brass is around because Triple H is on the show Roman Reigns is on the show um and Dan Housen shows up and I'm seeing Dan Housen interact with Nick Khan and and Dan I'm seeing Dan Housen go on the set and curse Stephen A Smith and it just got me thinking to how amazing pro wrestling is like can you believe we're in a world where Dan Housen is going to be like already has been a huge part of of wrestlemania like that's my favorite i think one of my quiet favorite things about pro wrestling and one of the reasons i'm so passionate about it is the fact that in in most aspects of entertainment and culture like certain people just can't make it to a certain level like you're an underground person in music you know you don't have the the connections to get to here or there to do this or that there are all of these things that make it impossible well in pro wrestling Daniel Bryan can become the world champion and be the biggest star in the world um CM Punk like I always said CM Punk and Daniel Bryan being the biggest stars in pro wrestling to me were the equivalent of if you know most def and talib kwali had become the biggest hip-hop stars in the world when in fact they were like you know faces of the underground they only made it to so far yeah they got big but they didn't become jay-z in wrestling your your underground acts can become jay-z like this is a thing that happens you know dan housing a minute ago is seen as this like super underground thing this yeah even on a even on aew dan housing was sort of used in a niche kind of way you know like i i've never seen a dan housing match did dan housing have matches on aew you i legitimately don't know he's this character you know and by the way how old is dan house dan house has been tell kelly's on our laptop right now tell me how old dan house is dan how he's definitely he has kids man i mean i don't know if that's a part of his character but dan how old 35 yeah dan house is a grown-ass man who's been grinding at this thing for a long time and it's a ridiculous thing that you would never think could make it to the highest level come here man let's have a conversation you walk right in front of my camera don't worry about it yeah hop right in come here austin theory come say hello um and now this guy dan hausen is right here and and wait he's over there don't get cursed your headset's right there to your left and speaking of people who end up in great places maybe this guy was a more likely story than dan hausen if you look at him at least on paper is is one half of the tag champs austin theory look at that my man.

14:04That's a beautiful title. How are you, bud? I'm good, man. I was worried the headphones would mess my hair up, you know? Yeah. By the way, you're living my life now. Hey, I love it. Are you, but you have, you're completely good. You're doing this completely by choice. Yeah. I just, you know, I've always wanted to see, uh, if I had a buzz cut, what it would look like. Yeah. And how do you feel? Well, I was worried if I had like a weird shaped head, you know, cause then it kills the gimmick, right? It really would. But, uh, it was my time off and, uh, I had my beard trimmer in my hand and I was like, man, should I do it?

14:30Should I try it? And then I just went and did it and i was like i gotta commit so i went all the way and then uh right after i sent my fiance a picture well then i was gonna say that is the whole thing how did she feel so i sent her the photo and i get a response and it goes is everything okay and i was like oh well yeah it does give sort of celebrity meltdown vibes britney spears right that's let's say it i didn't want to specify britney she just checked herself into rehab we're sending the best to britney we're hoping he's amazing but it did get it when you randomly shave your head it gives britney vibes It does, it does.

15:00But I like it. I think it's working for you. Thank you, man. I think so, too. Although, I have to tell you, to be totally honest, if I had your physique, I wouldn't even give my, my lady wouldn't even have options to give opinions. I'd be like, lady, look what you get. That's great. That's great. You know, listen, I know you, come on, come on. Peter, the way you just said that, man, I think, like, we got to figure out how to get you in the vision, man. You know what? No, like. By the way, I don't hate that. I don't hate that. I don't think you would. No. I don't understand. I like how you guys roll.

15:31Thank you. I've been a big Logan supporter for a long time. You know I've been a big Theory supporter for a long time. Of course, of course. Yeah. You know, I like the vision. I like what you guys are about. I also think you guys have an opportunity to legitimately steal night one of WrestleMania. We will. What do you think? Like, you guys are on first. Yep. In a match that has, like, there's a lot of talk about celebrities and WrestleMania. Yeah. But the celebrities you have, I mean, first of all, Logan doesn't even count anymore. If we're being honest, he's a superstar. He's a superstar. He is one of y 'all.

16:06He is one of the boys at this point. He's here. But iShowSpeed isn't a random celebrity. He's not. Dude, can you? So I apparently missed you guys by like five minutes last week in Orlando. Oh, okay. I had Evolve. At the PC. Oh, when we were training. Yes. And so I got to the PC to shoot Evolve. and they're like oh you just missed the whole vision was just coming through to train yeah take me through like where is speed at what how have you been trying to catch him up and learn him up on the biz so i completely understand him being a little like uh worried because it's his first wrestling match and it's at wrestlemania sure um so that totally makes sense but uh this guy jumps over cars peter you know what i mean like it felt cool saying your name too i was thinking peter parker when i said jumping over cars yeah kind of like spider-man he really is you know what i mean like like you said like he's not like any other celebrity this is a guy that goes all around the world does a lot of different things um jumps over cars a lot of cars just in his free time i know just fun yeah and hold on but like he he is legit and i mean obviously he's been reluctant you know about what's happened here yeah which also is very on brand for speed sure um but like have you gotten to really like gauge the athleticism yet because like you're a great athlete yourself that dude looks like a freak he is and i can just see when you know we do certain slams or he gives slams and he's landing as well i can see the pain in his eyes because that callus isn't there but um that's is that the hardest thing i think so i remember joining my wrestling school and like two weeks in i asked my coach to say hey like when does this like pain in my head go away he's like oh you'll get used to it because you know you're just landing on wood and even though you're tucking your chin that's like it's like little car wrecks every time if you think about it that's right oh like there's no right way to land on your back on wood right you know what i mean yeah that you don't matter what you do it is what it is yeah where was your training your school by the way so mine was in atlanta it was called wwa4 okay i was trained by ar fox okay yeah um but yeah man like speeds he's killing it man and like honestly anything we kind of bring up or you know wrestling moves ideas he just executes it he's like i got it and I'm like, are you sure?

18:19I got it. He hits it. He's got it. I saw when you guys won the titles, you and Logan celebrated a bit. Yes, we did. You went to Puerto Rico with him? I did. Take me through that. What's Logan's life like in Puerto Rico? Let's talk about this. So we get to Puerto Rico. I stayed at the... You went on the PJ with him? I did. Yeah. It beats commercial flights. You know, just a little bit, right? It beats commercial just a little bit. But he had his buddies on there that are big Pokemon guys. Okay. I don't know much about Pokemon, but I learned that night. They were ripping open packs. That was a lot of fun.

18:51I didn't realize how much money is involved in this. So wait, they're really living the gimmick and for fun, just ripping open Pokemon packs on the plane. Yeah, it was at least like 300 packs they just dumped on the table. And they're like, hey, you want to jump in and have fun, but you can go back there and eat your snacks and do whatever you want. But just jump in and rip some packs. I'm like, okay. All right. So we were ripping packs all night, you know what I mean? And then we get to Puerto Rico staying at the Ritz Carlton. And then, you know, my great tag team partner, Logan Paul, he's like, hey, why don't you come over?

19:20We're just going to have a crazy feast. And I was like, cool. Like, is anybody else there? He's like, no, it's just me. And we're going to have this crazy feast on the roof right when the sun sets. It's going to be great. It's what champions do. And then I get there and we have a chef that's made us, you know, these huge steaks. They're actually the man. What do you call them? the tomahawks. Oh, yeah, tomahawks. We had the tomahawks. We had the T-bones. As you should. The crab legs. Peter, whatever you like. This is just for you guys. This is just for us. Yeah, and we didn't even finish it all, you know?

19:55But we enjoyed it. We got a good time. And then I was like, I'll see you Monday because we got to get back to work as the champs, you know? So in all seriousness, you're a pro wrestler. Yep. You've done well for yourself. You're obviously a part of this modern era where you guys certainly do well. This is different than, you know, coming along 15, 30 years ago. Sure. But you also live, I'm guessing, a pretty regular life. I wouldn't say regular. No, I wouldn't say regular either. I mean, let me rephrase. Let me try to be respectful and do this right. Come on, we're working on that vision. Yeah, yeah, hold on.

20:26You are able to, if you want to, have a low profile and move around. Sure. If you want to. Sure. Logan's life, he doesn't move that way. Like, was it crazy to get to see up close, though? like this kid has money that normal humans like, like you and I both have aspirations. I don't want to speak for you. I know you, but I don't know you that well. I don't know that either of us have financial aspirations to even get to the level of this guy. Like this is at a different insane sort of place. Absolutely. Is it, is it crazy to kind of see it up close with kind of life he's got? Yeah. Kind of, you know, my first time staying at the Ritz Carlton and I'm over there and, uh, right across the golf course are these insane houses.

21:08and Logan lives in one of those houses and it's easily over 30 million dollars right um whatever right it's I mean listen it's when you have hundreds of millions of dollars he might be close to a billy yeah it was insane though and I think um yeah it's just a another world right like um you really kind of can see just based off that and even you know having a private jet that brings you to every tv you know what I mean it's uh it's insane that's just a different bracket it but um for us we can definitely be there you think we could still aspire to this there's nothing that we can't do i mean look at you right now look at the things you've done dude it's pretty insane it's pretty insane and you know a lot of people they'll say i'm finished and then i'm right back and then they'll say i'm finished again and then i'm right back so it's gonna take that right moment and it's gonna click for everybody to go damn like i love austin theory i mean listen i'll just say this some people you can think what you want about them but some pretty important people uh Vince McMahon, Seth Rollins, different people, Paul Heyman, have seen a lot in Austin Theory.

22:09That's right. What have you gotten to, of those people, what have you gotten to learn? Let's talk about Paul. What have you gotten to learn just getting to be around Paul? I think he gives you that extra shoulder raise, if that makes sense. You really feel like you know what you're doing, and you know that you're being looked at from the right perspective. and his guidance is insane. And one of my favorite things is, uh, right when we were starting this whole vision thing and he told me, his father said this to him, uh, and he goes, just don't F this up. I'm like, all right. And he's like, that's what my father told me.

22:47And he was like, I didn't F it up. I was like, got it. But, um, we know the history of Paul Heyman. We, uh, you know, know the names that he's brought into the spotlight and made them even bigger stars. so for me just being aligned with him and uh i take every chance i can like when i'm around him just learning and even if it's not something personally about me just how is he going about this interview how's he going about this promo tonight like dude's chilling and like there's a huge segment tonight and there's no stress on his mind you know like he's he's he's incredibly purposeful yeah you know that's the thing i think i admire about paul and that i i would hope to aspire to one day yeah it seems like everything he says is thoughtful yes and and he's you're right he's very calm in the storm at all times yeah you know but one thing and i know we're down to like 90 seconds here but one thing that i think is super interesting about paul is real life imitates the show or the show imitates real life like he really does become a part of your life he does yeah and like it's you're like you don't know where the show blends anymore with real life when it comes to your relationship with hayman right that's right that's right and for me I remember having the Paul Heyman action figure with the black kind of Undertaker trench coat.

24:01Oh, yeah, yeah. And I remember watching him growing up, and you just know. I feel like, you know, even not being a wrestling fan, you know Paul Heyman, and you know what he brings to the table. And when that mic's in his hand, it's gold every time. You know, I feel like you could put a tomato in the middle of the ring, and he could make it seem like it's going to main event WrestleMania, and you're going to buy its merch, you know? Well, guess what? I think you could have a 60-minute Iron Man match with that tomato, and it would get five stars from Meltzer. All right? That's what I'm saying. I don't know.

24:31I don't know about Meltzer. Yeah, maybe not Meltzer. But those who know would know. That's true. Tomorrow night, The Vision and iShowSpeed will kick things off at WrestleMania Saturday. Thank you, bro. My man. Try to have a conversation about working me into The Vision. Figure that out. We're going to think there's an application. We might have a few, actually. All right, so we're going to talk about that. We've got a big hour or two coming up next. Stay tuned. You don't want to miss it. It is WrestleMania Friday here at the NGM Grand in Las Vegas. It's GP Live for Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following.

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27:01Oh, okay. Well, that's interesting. I guess our production is temporarily not working. Cursed is what I call it. Yeah, I was going to say, did you just, did Dan Housen just curse us? No, I don't think so. What's wrong with the production? Well, normally we would come back and it would say, hey, it's GP with Peter Rosenberg. And there'd be music and the whole thing. And it just went dead air instead. Oh, I used to be in a faction on the independent scene called the production. Is that true? Yeah. Where was that? In the AIW Cleveland. How many, how many of the independent promotions that you were part of, do you think you can name?

27:35Do you want me to name them right now? I want you to name the indie promotion. As many as I can. I'll try to, I'll bend a blank on a few. We've got Alpha One Wrestling. Okay. AIW, that's absolute intense wrestling, Cleveland. Black Label Pro, Freelance Wrestling, AAW, I already said AIW, St. Louis Anarchy, Glory Pro Wrestling. I don't know. I'm going to run out of fingers. I'll jump in. Okay. You have seven. That's seven so far. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But all over the country. All over the country. Big time wrestling in San Francisco. I did Progress Wrestling overseas. DDT, GCW. That's the big one.

28:08That's a big one. That's a big one. That's a big one. Oh, my God. Now I am blanking because it is. And how long has the journey been for Dan Housen? 13 going on 14 years. Some would say. Some would say 75 or so. Got it. Depends. We go way, way back. Right, right, right. The olden days. And I remember you. There are stories about you in Portland with Roddy Piper. Yeah, yeah. Great friend of Dan Housen. And you guys had a run there. Movie star. Yeah. Great movies. Great movies. They Live. Love it. By the way, I love They Live. What is it? Frog Comes to Helltown. I don't remember that one. Wow. Check it out.

28:48Really? Oh, yeah. Wow. Now, let's go back to your debut. Yes. Elimination Chamber. Yes. Very recent. Oh, yeah. It was, what, a month and a half ago? Yes. And there was a lot of speculation about what was going to happen and what was going to be revealed from the box. Great. People thought The Rock was coming out of a box. I know. They did. No, no, no. Dan Housen shipped himself in a coffin. Yes. You know, some would say Dracula copied Dan Housen. Sure, I would say that. I would say that. And so we get to the moment, and there had been a lot of speculation that week, and here on this show, I think the week before, we were like, what if it's Dan Housen?

29:25And we were like, that would be awesome. No way it's Dan Housen. It's not Dan Housen. They're not going to make this whole thing. It's going to be Dan Housen. Will the WWE audience know Dan Housen? And then we got there, and we had the moment. Yes. And the reviews were mixed publicly for how it was received. A little bit. I think they skewed towards negative online. Okay. But thunderous applause in the arena. Yes, when you shoot it out. As soon as it came out, there were cheers. Yes, there were cheers. And then Dan Housen did hear there were boos at the end, but there were only boos when the lights went out.

29:59And it's because Dan Housen has a, what is it, a theory. Okay. You just had Austin theory. Yeah, now you have a theory. Dan Housen had an Austin theory. in his brain. They wanted more Dan Housen. They wanted Dan Housen to eviscerate, decimate, annihilate an opponent or perhaps say, hello, Chicago Housen, Dan Housen has arrived in the WWE and then disappear. So you think the reason there was a smattering of boos at the end was simply because the crowd wanted more Dan Housen. Yeah. Yeah. That makes perfect sense. If you remember two days later, instant applause in Indianapolis. I know. And all you did was come out and be Danhausen.

30:37Yes. Gave away some t-shirts, had a good time. The most Danhausen entrance, grand entrance I could have given. Got delivered like Dracula. Yes. Or he got delivered like me originally, you know. Right, right, of course. And then, you know, I've got all the ghoul housings to come out. Yes. That is great. One of them was Danhausen's wonderful wife. Is that true? Yet I married, yes. Wait, wait. Danhausen's wonderful wife was one of the ghoul housings? Oh, yeah. She coordinated all their dances. I said, make it very evil. And she did. Lulu La Duchess, great. Wow. Yeah. Where did you guys meet? Oh, what is it?

31:08Theater Bazaar. You ever hear of it? No. Detroit in an old church, I believe. And it is a Halloween festival. And you - She's performing. Wow. What was she doing? Burlesque. Spider costumes. Yeah. Why? Your answers are always so, like, it's almost like you're yelling at some of the answers. Oh, I'm so sorry. No, no, no. I don't feel yelling. I don't feel hurt. No, no, no. I just never heard - ASMR. with peak Rosenberg 24-7. I've never heard anyone go burlesque like that. So how long was your courtship for your lovely wife? Oh, it was long distance for a while. We'd have to travel in the PT Cruiser for a little while, 10, 12 hours.

31:51And then we got married and we've been together. Going on nine years, I believe. Wow. She's going to yell at me if I'm wrong. Yeah, you cannot. Eight or nine. We get it mixed up every time, back and forth. And do you guys have little Dan Housens? Yes, there's Baby Housen. He has nine months. And there's Girl Housen. He's 11. 11? 11. Years old? Yeah. That's a big gap between Girl Housen and then - Yes, the Baby Housen has the same hair as Dan Housen. Is that true? Yeah, great haircut. And nine months? Nine months. Baby boy. Baby boy. How is the Sleep Housen? Oh, he got it last night. It was every couple hours we were awake.

32:30Wow, really? Yeah. You brought Baby Housen to WrestleMania? Yes. Wow. Yes, yes, yes. I have a 15-month-old by first. Yes. I'm learning how to be a dad housing. Oh, good for you. Yeah. I'm sure you're doing wonderful. Do you love being a dad? Oh, yeah. I've been buying him action figures. He can't have them yet, but he's got a stack in the car hole, you know. No, what do you mean the car hole? Yeah, you put your car in there. It's attached to the house. The garage. Oh, the garage. Okay. Okay. Yeah, okay. So you're saving the figures in the car hole. Yes. You actually will lead it to this. I'm saving him.

33:06He-Man's been putting out crossovers with other companies. Okay. And as you know, WWE has He-Man crossovers. Oh, yeah. Now, I have to curse the Mattel people to make a Dan Howzen He-Man crossover so I can add it to his collection so I can give it to him in three years for Christmas. Have you cursed them yet? Cursed who? The baby? No, Mattel. Oh. Oh, yeah. I did it yesterday. You are? Oh, yeah. I was going to ask you. They said, where's my action figure? and they said, give us a few months, please. All right, so tell me this. Are you surprised? When you think about being a baby 75 years ago, could you have imagined that we'd be sitting here at WrestleMania in 2026 and you would be this much a part of the whole thing?

33:46Like, you feel truly like a huge part of this whole thing. I feel like I've been here for years. Really? Yes, because of how much stuff I've been doing. You're everywhere. Yeah. You cursed Stephen A. Smith on ESPN. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Dan Housen will be at WrestleMania this year. Last year, Dan Housen was doing nothing. Well, he wasn't doing nothing, but he's doing generally nothing. He did WrestleMania weekend at the Independence, did a couple of shows, did some signings, and then this year, he's here. He's done it. I know, but is it a pinch yourself kind of moment for Dan Housen? I haven't had time to pinch myself, but yes.

34:22Yes, it is. And what about Girl Housen? Is she able to, like, turn on the TV? She is able to turn on the TV, yes. Yes, she is back home with the rest of the family housing. And is she amazed at seeing this? This is a huge thing. Yeah. They watch every week to see what I'm doing now. Now, I want to ask you a question. Yes. So I've been, over the last few years, I've become familiar with the work of Dan Housen. Oh, I see. And in your last iteration. Yes. At AEW, I don't know that I ever saw a match of Dan Housen. And I'm not an every week viewer, but I'm a regular viewer. How many matches did you have during that time?

35:02Maybe three or four. So I didn't miss that much. No. I mean, I saw you lots. No, you didn't. But not that much. Yeah, no, you definitely did not. Not that much. Not as much as we would have liked. You took me online a lot. I saw you online a lot, though. His perception is reality. That is, by the way, that's true. Dan Housen would do vlogs backstage on his own and do videos with his enemies and his friend Housens. Right. And he'd put those out there. So maybe it seemed like I was doing more than I was. But you weren't doing that much. I was not there. Do you? I was doing the independent scenes.

35:33That's what I was doing. About three a weekend or doing conventions in some sort, like New York Comic Con and things like that. So in some ways, that was just another thing for you to do in addition to all the things you were doing. Yes. It was just kind of like a total package. Dan Housen's been busy for many, many years. Would Dan Housen like to have more in-ring competition? Yeah. Let's do it. We already did undefeated in WWE. No. Yeah, I defeated Kip Wilson. You didn't see that? Kip Wilson. No, Kip. You're mistaken his name. It is Kip Wilson. And you already beat him? Yes, you didn't see this?

36:07I haven't seen it yet. Do your research. I defeated him on SmackDown. Oh, you know what? I forgot about this. He cursed him and there was some type of - Yes, I do recall this. There was some type of pyro malfunction? Yes. I don't think I had anything to do with that. Even with the curse, you don't think that was your doing? No, no, no. The curse was just so I would win. I don't know. Anything that happened after that is not me. Now, if they, if they, is there a world in which you would want to be like Dan Hauser would want to be having wrestling matches every week? Maybe not. Maybe every three weeks.

36:35But I did come from the independent world where sometimes I'd, you know, wrestle in New York City and then go to Portland, Oregon, and then come back to Philadelphia or something and wrestle. So I used to wrestle three times a weekend. Wow. So I'll wrestle as much as they want me to, but you know, maybe curse, curse, wrestle, curse, curse, wrestle. That would be good. And how are the, how are the old, have you gotten to see since all the merch has been moving any of the old check houses yet? No, not yet. I think it's every, what is it, quarterly checks? Yes, yes. Are you very, do they give you updates on how the old merch housing is moving?

37:08I've been told it is doing very well. I would also assume if they put out one t-shirt and it did bad, I would not have 35 things for sale on the website. I would not have my own merch section at the Superstore and at WrestleMania. Listen, it's so there's, you know, some people get to sign autographs prior. It's Dan Housen, Corey Rhodes, Cola Man Punk. Okay. I believe sometimes the Yeet Man. Yes. Rhea. Yes. And possibly AJ. AJ Lee. AJ Lee. Yeah. I think that, oh, you know, I think it's pretty good. Those are pretty popular people. I saw the merchandise stands tonight. Roman Reigns, Cola Man Punk, Dan Housen, Corey.

37:52Cody. WrestleMania. Can you believe that? Can you believe it? Congratulations. Thank you. We're very excited for you. Thank you so much. This is Dan Housen. I'm going to let you go now. So I'm going to continue my segment, but I'm told they want you for other media. You know, segment. I have to go do famous things. Yeah, you're going to go do famous things now. That was this was really cool. Thank you. Thank you. That is the great Dan Housen, ladies and gentlemen, by his march or, you know, the rest. What a cool story. The Dan Housen thing is. I mean, just to see him come along this way is just, it's just one of the great things about wrestling.

38:28And if I'm reading between the lines of how Dan Housen was communicating about his AEW, I think he was suggesting he didn't love the way he was being utilized at AEW. That was how I took him saying when I said, I saw you a lot. And he said, well, no, you didn't see me a lot. So I think he would have liked to have been utilized a bit more when he was at AEW. But to the point he made, he used the indies and he used social media and he just built it himself. Super duper cool. Where did my, hey, Kelly, where did my papers go? Do I have them? I have them. Okay. I'm going to pull up the old papers that I have here because we should talk some more about WrestleMania.

39:09It's happening tomorrow and Sunday, for God's sake. As I mentioned, that I show speed, Logan Paul Theory versus LA Knight and the Usos is going to kick things off. I think that is a fantastic way to get things started. And then they're also going to have Jacob Fatu and Drew McIntyre as an ESPN2 match. And I think the logic there was here's what you want to do if you're trying to get an ESPN audience you hit them with the celebrity power and sort of the fun and athleticism and look at the craziness of the six man tag match that includes I show speed and Logan Paul and now we give you this unsanctioned match between Jacob Fatu and Drew McIntyre so you can get like the hard hitting fight sort of feel something closer to you know sports so i think that is sort of the logic of why on espn2 you're gonna get the six-man tag and the fatu versus drew mcintyre it's about giving people you know some of both um so i mean that's a great call so after that you come out of that And then we have the rest of our card, which is only on ESPN's Unlimited, the app, if you will.

40:32So you get the Fatal 4-Way Women's Tag Team Match, which as of now is on. We have not gotten any sort of update to confirm whether or not Nikki Bella is fully cleared with whatever she was dealing with with her ankle. But I'm assuming now the Bellas are okay. you have the Intercontinental Championship match AJ Lee and Becky Lynch we already know what they can do I have to tell you I am sort of pleased with how long they've let this story sort of resonate for and build I like that and I think it's probably telling about how much respect AJ Lee and Becky have for each other that they've continued to play this thing out because you could have seen a world in which Becky moved on to something else or they wanted to get AJ to other women in the locker room but they've decided to really lean into now we're like six months in to AJ Lee and Becky Lynch this has really been sort of long story I have to imagine that this match is it this this would and that's an interesting thing to think about which matches here are the actual blow-off and which ones here have another at least one or two coming down the pike I think in the case of AJ Lee and Becky this is clearly it um I am I am talking to my brother nick rosenberg just texted me he loves dan hausen um and really enjoyed that i really enjoyed that too um my friend ballard just texted me and said i heard vegas is all fish fans and wrestling geeks excuse me sir it's wrestling fans and fish geeks okay that is well actually you know i'll say this at the top of both fan bases it is high level geek no matter how you cut it just different style like you know what I say this lovingly to my wrestling community I would say the worst level wrestling fan probably more a pug than the worst level fish fan more sober but stench may be worse the wrestling stench may be worse at the lowest level than of the fish fans but I do know a bunch of people are going to see fish at the sphere the last couple of nights.

42:44I really want to go to the sphere. I just don't like fish enough to go. I was here. I was in Vegas for a fight the weekend it opened and it was you two also not interested enough to go. I don't have any issue with you two. I just they do nothing for me. I mean, you know, Bono seems like a great guy by all accounts. I just like how many times can I hear with or without me i don't i'm not a u2 guy it's just not my thing don't mean it as a diss at all but so there hasn't been the thing i will tell you i am the two things i'm crossing my fingers maybe dan housing could threaten curse for is i would like beyonce i would like beyonce to come to the sphere and i would like wwe to work at the sphere those are the things that i think would be that would get me in the building at the sphere i gotta tell you by the way austin theory is just walking away that guy is such he's jacked like a freak i will say when i took the photo of you guys i was thankful for you that you're you were sleeved up uh you guys hadn't gone arm for arm no kelly and great would not have you know i didn't need you to even i don't even know how necessary that was to bring up to be fair you brought it up i did well i'll say this i'll say this here's the thing about theory the upside is we could have stood up and from a height standpoint he's one of the people I can stand next to from a jacked up standpoint bruh it was your call to sit down no I made the right call no I'm happy with the call lovely photo is it good yeah all right good we didn't get a Danhausen photo I took ones of you guys while we were talking yeah action shots yeah that's an important moment the first Danhausen conversation um yeah I always have to think about these things in these interviews because so many of these guys are are so big and then it's really nice when you run into ones that like are not gigantic but and i'll say that you know that's sort of the interesting that they probably wouldn't love me saying this but when you look at the top of the card on both night's main events randy is the ab is the only absolute freak physically like don't get me wrong cody's in unbelievable shape but i do not feel like less of a man this that's the standard guys let me explain when I stand next to Cody I was just standing next to Roman as in great shape and big as he is I do not feel like a child next to Roman he's normal um Punk same thing although he's Jack these days too I don't feel like a weirdo child man next to him Randy Orton makes me feel like literally we are different species of things like you are man and i am some other thing that's not quite man i'm like between child and man and i guess you know listen not to bring up you know a name who gets people very upset but that is if you follow the mcafee story that's kind of what he's pushing in the story is that Randy Orton is at a different level and he should be what the wrestling business is of course the problem that those of us have with it is well a we knew that and b your involvement is only making people talk less about Randy Orton like that is ultimately what the biggest problem with this story is i have to tell you guys i have some concerns about what's being said that we are looking at and sgg and i go into more depth on patreon if you want to go find our patreon episode cheap heat live on patreon but i asked sg sgg are you concerned that we are looking at an access of evil that is going to be randy roman and pat mcafee for a lot of people that is a terrifying thought now i did hear roman talk some smack about pat today and him not knowing what he's talking about and this that and the next but like that doesn't that doesn't mean anything we don't know so that is something that worries me um all right but back to saturday um cody and randy of course and the night we were just talking about that stephan live i think stephan live are in a bit of an interesting spot like as much as there has been conversation about their match and they had the physicality last week and live has the big thing and kathy kelly got not done i just think that sort of jade and stephanie's title reigns have both been a little bit suspect in terms of like keeping interest the entire time and I kind of think and Kelly I'm you can give me your thoughts I kind of think if Liv wins the crowd cheers uh what do you think I don't I said this after Raw this week she was my MVP by far she looked deranged she did everything she needed to do so well I was like how do you not cheer for her I think if she wins it's going to be a huge pop I think you're 100 % right yeah I just Stephanie Stephanie's amazing but we got so much so fast they were like oh you like Stephanie here she is and she's still winning and she's still champ and she's still champ and I just don't think there was enough that's happened in there to make you continue to care I have to say and I am biased because she's my girl but I think Nikki Bella was a missed opportunity for Stephanie I think heal Nikki Nikki if he'll Nikki and Stephanie I think that could have made Stephanie I really do I think Nikki being this like really obnoxious you know I'm a diva I'm better than this era I'm a real champion this era is a joke that as a concept I think that could have really helped Stephanie out it's my my two cents um okay so that is it for saturday night peter real quick can i give you a crazy take and get your thoughts i would love nothing more i think four titles are changing hands this weekend four titles i think randy's beating cody roman's beating punk live is beating steph and ria's beating jade you think every so you think you think you think aj retains yes but every and i know it's not gonna happen i just don't know which one or two wouldn't happen right what about women's tag women's you think they end up holding on to it in the fatal four way i i do because i think if if nikki's healthy i think it's ballad time but yeah what is the status of nikki's health i don't know i i will be honest i texted her and i got no response let's follow up again should i should i hit her with eyeballs i think so i think hold on it is time for an eyeball emoji for nikki bella i haven't seen her around very much have you seen her i just saw some photos where she's still wearing that boot she's still wearing the boot i'll tell you something about nikki she's down to work me she she could want to keep the secret all right i i've officially eyeballed i've officially sent eyeballs i love that it either means give me the answer or you're weird whatever whichever way she takes it um i don't hate your take maybe it's just what i want no but i but i get it like it kind of feels like randy has to win that kind of feels like where this is going like number 15 is here now right that that's what it feels like um also again pat has now added that caveat of if he loses i'm gone forever and as much as many people would celebrate if that were to happen i don't see that happening not to mention of course we've all heard the rumors of the celebrity tag match at backlash so if that's the case then pat ain't going anywhere which means randy orton is winning so to me it's really about who gets involved you know and what level of physicality like does pat not get touched this weekend at all is there a world in which pat just does dirty underhanded things randy wins and they get out but does that leave you with like a what was the point of this whole thing of bringing him in if there's absolutely no physicality with him at mania well only if the point is to build further and i know this is going to make some people out there in the nation grown but if the point is just to extend this to get to backlash to have the jelly roll pat tag thingamajig and I know that doesn't make a lot of people happy but if that was the point was we want to have like two or it would also speak to what I was just saying the point is we're building this sort of access of evil between Pat Roman and Randy which again you know we'll see man I got to tell you guys I went into depth on it on the Patreon episode but I am a little surprised

52:05by the Cody showing up in Indianapolis to get the title back. I don't know. I don't know if I needed it. I don't know if I needed Cody to make the trip to Indy because the thing that I was enjoying about it because there are a few ways of people looking at the Pat thing. There's like absolute vitriol. No, it's turn off the TV heat. I don't want to watch it at all. Um, it's also, but there are people like me who, while I am, I was angered by it and was like, what are we doing? I will tell you when I hear that Pat's going to be on, I find myself very curious to where he's going to go. I'm being honest.

52:43I have talked to people in the business who feel the opposite. Like, no, not me. When I see that he's coming on, I literally almost turn off the show. I'm just being honest. That's not me. I am like, I'm, he's trolling me. I'm getting angry and I'm watching it I so so the thing that's kept me there has been the element of realism of you're doing my favorite thing in wrestling where I cannot tell where the line is so when you send Cody out to do a break-in angle at Pat's uh Superdome whatever it's called what's it called what we call what you know Thunderdome when you see that Cody breaking in and smashing things you know it's hard to keep suspending disbelief at that point and you're like oh no i kind of like this feeling like and by the way one doesn't mean that the other can't be true so they could have been like hey the plan is cody we're gonna go do this whole thing at the thunderdome blah blah cody still may legit hate pat mcaffey and have a problem here like just because he's doing let me say something about cody rhodes he's gonna do whatever the business requires him to do so none of us will ever know exactly how he feels so i shouldn't read too much into the fact that cody went and did the thunderdome bit it just took me out of it a little bit i'd rather wait and see what they do tonight do we think mcathee shows up and walks the red carpet at the hall of fame tonight stephanie is going in it's a big deal cody's going to be there for sure will randy be there these are the conversations we had yesterday just give a little behind the scenes we're planning the red carpet show and we're making our hit list of who we want you know who do we most want of course top of the list would be the goat john cena who's going to be there for sure you know he's coming to show stephanie love so but we're going through the list and yeah we had some questions i'm like at this stage can randy do a stop and chat on the red carpet like these are the hard things that like it's hard to know what feels like the right thing to do like but you know i did see randy out and about yesterday in las vegas he he was at like a what culture event or something like that like i saw me i saw a video on the internet of a woman saying can i have a hug and randy orton gave her a hug so he is still approachable to some degree even though he recently seemed like a crazed maniac who nearly killed cody rhodes on on live television um so it will it's just i'm curious to see where we land at at hall of fame and i'm curious to i mean at smackdown and then like does mcafee show up to hall of fame is mcafee around people tomorrow like i'm just really curious to like how people are really taking the things that mcafee said because i think it's a mixed bag i think there are people who are like hey man it's part of the show whatever it is it is and i think there are other people like hey man you're not from this business the stuff that you're saying is not cool and they take it really seriously so figuring out sort of where that line is drawn uh is very interesting to me so i we're gonna have to see how that plays out um over the next couple of days um the name that has continued to come up in everything that i've done including being talked about constantly on first take this morning is obafemi uh there's a reason he is starting the show um oba and brock are starting the show on sunday on espn television um you know i remember the day after msg i don't want to get the quote wrong i don't know if you were listening kelly but on busted open that day dave and bully correct me if i'm wrong were legitimately making comps to like hogan when talking about Obafemi.

56:34Like, they were saying that he, in terms of how quickly the Oba thing is hitting and resonating in a real way, they literally brought up Hulk Hogan. Like, these are the kind of names we have been talking about with regard to just how big Obafemi could be. He checks absolutely every box that there is. I don't know if you heard his great interview on Cheap Heat Live. a couple of months back, we had him right before Saturday night's main event, when he had that big match with Cody, and we were able to talk to him on Cheap Heat then. If you go back and watch that on YouTube or listen to the podcast, he's just awesome.

57:22We know what he's capable of being in the ring. Well, I say we know what he's capable of in the ring, but I got to be honest, does the mainstream audience on TV really know? Because they've really protected him and kind of made Sunday a spectacle with regard to Oba because they really have not shown him on television wrestling he had a few squash matches you know he did like what six seven minutes with the Miz you know and beat down the Miz but he hasn't done that much on TV and that to me is one of the things that makes Sunday so special and one of the reasons they're going to have oba and brock on free television for exactly that reason that is a reason to tune in and watch on espn and hopefully enough of a reason to get people to go get the espn app and uh and keep watching but i to me it goes beyond the tangible things with with oba it's the charisma and his comfort talking um it's also to be honest his nigerian heritage like i really don't think you can remove oba's being potentially the biggest superstar from africa in history like that cannot be overlooked for what it can mean globally for this company that is a huge deal um and and i guess on multiple levels because obviously africa is a gigantic continent with so many fans potentially there um some who already exist and many more who are untapped but there's also another piece of it that you may not be hip to if you're not sort of paying attention to what's happening in pop music and black music which is that like Nigerian music and culture has become really mainstream American culture over the last couple of years there are more and more stars of Nigerian descent popping up in different places now for the music business there have always been lots of Nigerians who have made their way and done awesome things in the music industry behind the scenes but now you're starting to see this emergence of the culture and i don't think you can remove that from oba and what a huge and cool opportunity it is for wwe to connect with a different part of the culture so i just can't you know say enough about obafemi um and and now the question is where do they decide to go in that match um i think at this point all signs indicate that obafemi is beating brock lesnar i didn't always think that but that is where i land right now i will say though i am not one of those people who's gonna cry if it doesn't happen i i think he can easily lose and still have a great story and it's a win for him speaking of which i'd be remiss we didn't once mention that darby allen beat mjf this week for the world title and i and i admit it sometimes i tweet and i'm upset when people hate me and sometimes i know they are going to hate me when i tweeted oh my god i can't believe people like are mad about this this was all awesome i knew people would be angry but i'm being honest i was on the plane hot dog you were on the same flight were you watching you weren't watching were you you were watching and i'm sitting there and as the show's going on i'm like they're really making a lot of this darby allen match huh it's giving something it's giving one of those moments like they're building to something you know even the whole open they had where renee is like trying to get max's attention and can't you're like oh they're doing something interesting here and then as the match is setting up i'm like oh is there a world in which max just had one of the best matches of his life and he beat kenny omega and now they turn around and make darby out and that's exactly what they did and guess what i thought it was awesome sorry even being a squash i thought it was awesome max has an argument that he was cheated darby is made it doesn't hurt max stop crying internet it's awesome darby now gets to have that forever i think that kid's a star all right i'm told we have a big guest coming up next we'll take a break and come back with a big guest on cheap heat live pro wrestling nation 24 7 live from the mgm grand in las vegas promotional consideration paid for by the following 14 wrestlemanias the greatest sports entertainment home video extravaganza in history one hogan and mr t make wf history Two, from wrestling to boxing to Hollywood glitz.

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1:04:01Louis and be able to just be Shawn Michaels this weekend without having to book an entire show? Well, look, certainly from my standpoint, yeah, it's a bit of an easier weekend. I'm sure the men and women of NXT, I would imagine they might prefer to be part of a WrestleMania weekend. but I will just say for yeah, for Sean Michael's Michael Hickenbottom it's an easier week for sure much more laid back to just Well tonight when the Hall of six hours, you at least don't have to stress out that you have to stand and deliver at 6am or whatever it is. Last year I had I believe it was 45 minutes of sleep I remember watching you in the crowd and of course it's Hunter you had to be an active part of this and the next morning you had the show so at least we have that um let's i'm gonna be selfish for a minute and and put over my my guys and girls from evolve how impressed have you been with vanity project kendall keanu now callie what what have you made of these evolve kids so far fantastic um so and going into it it's always helpful that you've kind of got your eye on certain people and they are the ones that do progress the way that you hoped that they do.

1:05:22So that much has been very positive. I think what's been honestly even more positive is those people that you may not have had your eye on and you see a few people, you know, getting over in ways that, oh, I didn't know that would happen. That's pretty interesting. And I guess I'm always more excited about the ones that you couldn't quite call. And so that's, you know, the ones that are working are doing fantastic for us. And, you know, the idea of having to be able to move them up into NXT in such a quick fashion has been a huge plus for us. All coincidental at the time that, you know, we obviously lose a lot of people.

1:06:04So the timing there was really positive for us. but I enjoy Evolve more so for the people that... For the commentary. No, I know what you were going to say. Exactly, for the commentary. And the people that you might not have known were going to jump out at you. Do you ever have to with someone like Kendall where it's been a quick rise? And as everyone knows about her story, if you paid attention, Kendall Gray is a wrestler, an amateur wrestler who quickly has figured this thing out, but is also still very green. the amount of i mean the people raving about her and her potential do you in the role that you have ever have to like pull back on people a little bit to make sure we don't go too fast too far because as great as she is and as natural as she is she is still very young and very new sure yes well look there's two different you know aspects of it is um in today's environment in about two or three weeks, they're putting you in the Hall of Fame.

1:07:09Right. That's right. Greatest of all time. So, yes, you have to be careful of that. And then what it does to the superstars themselves. You never know on a personal level, are they starting to leave their own hype or are they not? Thankfully, Kendall obviously is not one of those individuals at all. But yeah, you always have to. That's part of the writing, you know, and the producing of the show is doing your best to try to, you know, guide the ship as best you can. It's always kind of easy to go for the instant gratification. Sometimes that will work and be a positive thing. But my feeling is in today's environment, they move on pretty quick.

1:07:59Yeah. So you have to kind of be very careful about when and where you do. Well, Lola is a great example, you know, and for example, Stephanie is someone who gets to the main roster. She gets the title very quickly, right? She's had the title now. We'll see what happens this weekend. Lola is someone on the flip side of NXT who had a lot of championship opportunities before she finally got it. And I think in time, even though that can be tough for the superstars because they think they're right there, it ends up hitting a bit different when you wait, wait, wait wait wait and then they get the moment sure well and i it just happened i was the worst dude in the world when jc jane beats stephanie vaker for the title worst decision in the world dumbest thing i've ever seen and then 300 or 280 some odd days later she is a complete superstar jc jane You know, I mean, and she got to that level that I know she aspired to do, but I think in the eyes of the people she did as well.

1:09:05And I would argue that a lot of people, when it came to toxic attraction, she was number three. And that is not the case these years later. And I have no doubt, and I'm sure JC would say the same, is that at some point, many of those years earlier, she felt she was ready then. Yep. She's a more complete individual now. And then that's, we have to balance that it's yes, it's NXT and it is a television show, but we also have to develop, I mean, balance the development of these individuals and what's best for them from a career standpoint. And sometimes the two don't always jive and it's tough. You can't, you can't have it happen too soon for them.

1:09:48If they're not ready to handle it. And, and honestly, and if we're not ready creatively to get there, I'd be remiss. We're under five minutes. Now would I have you hall of fame tonight? What can you tell me about demolition? This has been a cool thing for us fans of the eighties for them to go in and to be here to smell the flowers any any memories what was it like working with those guys well i will say this and this will sound uh like a negative but i honestly do not mean it that way but i can remember when we first came in working with them and they were not going to sell anything they were and it was going to be really tough for marty and i to knock them down um and us not having any idea why that was the case and not understanding any of that kind of stuff.

1:10:37But now I can go back and watch those matches and say like, oh my goodness, that it all made sense. And when they did go down and we did knock them off their feet, it meant something. And that was something at that time. I don't know that I understood that as well as I should have back then. Well, but how could you have back then? I mean, thinking about it historically, you were so young at that time well that's look and i i i appreciate that but not not everybody looks at it but everybody forgets that i was 23 yeah i was i was you know javon's age yeah when i got here it's actually a really interesting comp by the way i mean you know attitude wise i'm sure different javon is just i i didn't know you then javon is the sweetest kid in the world right um but yeah you were a kid you're trying to figure it out and sure you've been around a little bit but it's all brand new do you ever look back at those early matches because i can watch a match of yours from 19 you know 90 and to me you look like sean michaels do you look at that stuff versus say though you're running 2002 3 and go oh my god in 89 90 i was so far away from where i would eventually get yeah you because at the time you i always tell everybody at a certain time at 25 you feel like okay i'm starting to get a handle on this stuff and you reach 30 and you go like i I didn't have any idea, but now, now I've got a handle.

1:12:00Then another five years go by. And so it is, you never stop learning in this stuff. There are times that, I don't know, people talk about some of the age of guys now. Honestly, in this stuff, I feel like you're really peaking at 40. I mean, to really know what it is you're doing out there and to be able to put all of it together. Again, I know that from a sporting standpoint, we want that to happen earlier, but a lot of times some of the best quarterbacks in the league are around 35 to 40 when they really understand and know the game and execute at a high level. And that's how it is in this line of work because a lot of it, you know, comes with time and wisdom.

1:12:39And as always, we're going to say reps, reps, reps. And if you look at the main events at WrestleMania this weekend, you're talking about there, there are no spring chickens between Randy. I mean, who's the, who's the baby of the bunch? Cody. Cody is the youngest of the main events. Right. But think about where we've gotten to in this time to where, I mean, 38 is old. And what is, what is 61? Should I be dead now? I mean, I'm almost 61 and I don't know. It's no, you're exactly right though. Why don't we understand it? But it just seems like we've gotten a little bit as with everything, you know, our businesses like that, it's an over kind of dramatized business.

1:13:20that's what makes it work. That's what makes it so special. But we kind of do that in every aspect of it. And sometimes it's, I think, a little bit demeaning maybe. But that's the poor guy's doing it. That's why I love the fact, though, that to your point, we are seeing these guys in their 40s be great. I mean, listen, sitting here as someone who's 46 years old, I hope I'm not at the end either. And so I love seeing the guys do it. Sean, thank you for making time for us. This was a real treat to close the show this way. I appreciate it. Yes, and thank you for Evolve. I'm having a great time doing that as well.

1:13:51I appreciate it. You're doing it for us. The great Shawn Michaels. Guys, enjoy WrestleMania weekend. Keep it locked to Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 all weekend long. And we'll see you next week. It is GP Live. See you next week, guys.