Trump Says His Rallies Are “Saving” GOP While Some Snub

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1:03TONIGHT, DONALD TRUMP SAYS HIS RALLIES ARE SAVING REPUBLICANS, BUT SOME REPUBLICANS AREN'T LOOKING FOR A SAVIOR. ARE THERE PLANS THEN FOR THE PRESIDENT TO COME BACK AND CAMPAIGN AGAIN? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PLUS, THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT SAYS REPORTERS SHOULD BE ARRESTED, AND NO ONE BATS AN EYE WHILE HE DEMANDS HIS HOME TEAM NETWORK BAN LIBERALS. ALSO, THE INCREDIBLE HISPANICS, LATINOS, THEY CALL THEM SO MANY DIFFERENT NAMES. Will this midterm be the Latino revenge? And a housing crisis soaring rents, failing schools, is the unrest overseas at risk of coming to America. Live at the table, Scott Jennings, Sawyer Hackett, Jason Rance, Anna Navarro, and Kamel Foster.

1:51Americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other, but here they do.

2:08Good evening. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro in for Abby. Tonight, ahead of the midterms, is Donald Trump still his party's best spokesperson? If you ask him, he's sharper than ever. Ask GOP candidates, not so much. As Republicans grow increasingly concerned about their midterm margins, Trump is hitting the trail in states Republicans once considered untouchable. On Truth Social today, Trump insisted his rallies are saving the Republican Party, even going as far as saying he's responsible for flipping races all over the place. Watch for the midterm surprise, he suggested. But as the president works to get more involved in some of the most competitive races, candidates are giving him the cold shoulder.

2:55The latest set of snubs in Texas, where Greg Abbott seeks a fourth term as governor, Abbott is skipping out on a Trump rally as he faces an unexpectedly tight re-election race. And in the race for Senate in Maine, five-term Senator Susan Collins refused to say whether she'd campaign with him. Listen. President Trump this week said that he might actually visit Maine. Will you stand with him if he does? I don't think that President Trump is going to come to Maine. He's talking about going to a lot of different states. I've heard nothing from his office, and I'm not exactly his favorite senator. So yes or no?

3:40Do you have a yes or no to that? I would say that he is not coming to Maine. OK. Before we open it up to the table here, we invite you at home to join the debate. Head to CNN.com slash Abby and weigh in. We'll get to some of your comments throughout the show. All right. I'm going to start with the O.G. Navarro, Anna Navarro. When we look at. Yes, cuz. Yes, cuz. We're all related. You know, when we look at what the president has been saying, he is going out on the campaign trail. He's using his tried and true formulas. It's all about me. Come vote for me. Please, please, please me. But we are not seeing that having the result that he wants.

4:23What do you think is going on? The economy, right? What's going on is$4 gas,$6 diesel, meat that's unaffordable, 7 % interest rate. Americans are hurting. And so even though he goes back to his old playbook, by talking about immigration, talking about transgender issues, LGBTQ issues. Those issues are not cutting through because people are hurting and feeling in their pocketbook. I am living what you were just talking about. I am living in my congressional district, which is Florida 27. That is the Maria Elvira Salazar district where she put out an ad distancing herself from Trump. This is a Cuban-American from Miami.

5:06I don't know that there's a Latino group or a group in general that has been more supportive of Donald Trump. And if the Cuban woman Republican from Miami is distancing herself from Donald Trump, he's got a problem. I mean, that is my district, too. And it's a swingy district. It's gone back and forth and back and forth. She won about 20 points two years ago. Yeah, but she's in a tight race this time. I'm going to bring you in, Scott. I just want to take a look at what the Cook political report has said about some of the Senate ratings changes. I mean, let's let's have a quick look here, because we've seen the ratings for Kansas, North Carolina, New Hampshire all moving towards Democrats.

5:49We've also seen Sabato's crystal ball ratings, South Carolina, Alaska changes towards Democrats. I mean, these are pretty dispiriting calls. Do you think Republicans are going to see a wipeout? Well, we have a lot of close races. I don't dispute that. There's a lot of races out there within the margin of error. I suspect Democrats will win a few, and I suspect Republicans will win a few. I think some of these states are pretty red territory, and I'd rather be a Republican than a Democrat running in, say, South Carolina or Kansas. But no one's disputing that the races are close. The question is, what are the candidates going to do, and do they have the resources to deliver a message?

6:27And in most of these cases, the Republicans absolutely have the resources to deliver a pretty clear contrast. Sometimes that involves the president and sometimes it doesn't. But is President Trump helping at this point? Because we have seen over and over again, especially Republicans in swingy districts and now even Republicans in not so swingy districts like Texas, wanting to distance themselves from the president. And that, I think, sends a signal that is not just about poll numbers, which people can dispute, but it's about something more substantial. It's a valid strategy question. My view is if you hate Donald Trump and you've hated him for 10 years and you're going to turn out because of that, you're not open to persuasion.

7:04Where he helps is with Republican turnout. There are voters who love Donald Trump. They believe in Donald Trump. They want to see his agenda enacted. They're worried that Democrats in Congress could block that if they get the majority and they don't have a high propensity of turning out in every election. He can definitely help you with that. He also needs to talk to all of his base. You know, there's two kinds of Republicans. There's the pure MAGA. They love Trump. And then there's, you know, a more traditional kind of Republican. They like him sometimes, and sometimes he makes them cringe. They're a little softer right now, and he needs to motivate them, too, to keep the team together.

7:36So, yeah, look, I think the Democrats have some energy out there. Who gives energy to Republicans? It's typically President Trump. I don't know. It feels like donors are giving energy to Republicans because they're spending a lot of money in these races. I mean, we are now seeing, I think, like$5 million going to South Carolina, reddest of red districts to help Darlene Graham. I mean, what do you think is going on? I mean, there's tremendous spending there. There's tremendous spending in Texas. I guess pulling back on spending in places like North Carolina. I think you are correct that Donald Trump is probably still the best spokesperson for the party, that he might be able to drum up support among Republicans.

8:11The question becomes, what kind of message are you actually taking to Republicans? the president has disappointed some of his supporters by doing things while in office that are inconsistent with the things he would said he would do while he was running for office. The president has pursued policies that have almost certainly not produced the results that he desired, like tariff policies, for example. I think if the president were perhaps a little bit more constrained, if he were reflective, if he were talking to them about recalibrating, about some of the things he might want to do differently going forward, about understanding their concern, their dissatisfaction, as opposed to spending so much time talking about the ballroom and various other things, doing some of these antics that at this point I think have somewhat worn thin.

8:51The laughs aren't quite as big. The lines at his events are perhaps not as long. He might have a shot at actually helping to revitalize some of that support amongst Republicans, but I'm not so sure that what he's currently doing is likely to be successful. I just think he's getting tired. And I mean, here's the thing. This is what happens when you to form a political party into a cult of personality when the only solution is also the problem. When, you know, Donald Trump is essentially pushing away independents, pushing away Latinos, pushing away swing voters at a time when he also needs to shore up the base.

9:22And so every voter that he brings home in states like, you know, Kansas and North Carolina that you point to as, you know, states you'd rather be a Republican in, he's pushing away independent voters that are absolutely running away from Republicans, you know, in states like Texas where James Tallarico is, you know, pulling ahead by seven points in some polls. Yeah, so I think ultimately where the money is being spent, because Republicans have the money, they can actually afford to do the insurance policies where Democrats can't. And that's where it's going to come in handy. It's not because they think they're going to lose.

9:51They just want to make sure that they're definitely not going to lose. It's a little more than an insurance policy. Democrats can claim that they're going to win in Kansas and some of these other red states as much as they want. The polling, there was a report out today, Axios had some others as well, that there was concern about whether or not the pollsters were actually reaching the Republicans. and they weren't getting any responses, particularly in rural parts of this country. Now, one can argue, and I think it's a fair point, they're not going to turn out the vote. That's why they're not responding to polls.

10:18But then you would have to ignore everything we know about Republicans and how we just simply do not trust the pollsters. You'd have to ignore all of that history. And history suggests, no, they're going to turn out. They're going to turn out. They're just not trusting of the pollsters. Are you suggesting there's going to be like a secret red wave or just a secret red wave? No, I don't think there's going to be a red wave. I think that history tells us every single time, minus two times in our history, when you've got the party in power, there's going to be a general shift in some way. The Democrats are going to win the House.

10:46I don't think they're going to win in the Senate. But I do think it's because we are undervaluing the Republican turnout. And I think that that's going to come and surprise a lot of people. That's what the president was mentioning. Two things have happened, which I think are very interesting. Right. One is that Donald Trump, who never reverses course, never backs down, never admits mistakes, came out and all of a sudden was endorsing the idea of voting by mail. This is something that he has spent a decade saying is rigged and is cheating and it's you know, it doesn't work and don't do it. What's happened in places like Florida, where Republicans used to dominate absentee ballots right now, Democrats are dominating absentee ballots.

11:30And the other thing he reversed course on was those PSAs paid for by taxpayer money that he was putting in things like during football games, because I think taxpayers are pretty pissed off at the idea that the president of the United States is spending money on ballrooms and reflecting pools and painting everything in Washington gold. and paying for these ads while they can't pay for the basic necessities. I just want to bring in one other thing that happened that has caused a great deal of consternation. And I believe there is a lot of debate as to whether the president, again, is hurting or helping.

12:07Let's play his comments about Iran, the war and some cities in California. We have to stop them from having a nuclear weapon. And so I was riding and I made a speech there and I passed the gas station one dollar and ninety five cents a gallon. I passed another station one dollar and eighty five cents a gallon. We'll have it lower than that in a very short period of time. And again, remember, with the war, it's just artificial. It's a little bit high. It's a small price to pay for keeping the world safe, keeping our country safe. They can take out a city. Let them take let let them take out Los Angeles.

12:45Let them take out San Diego. This is a very small price to pay, and it's going to be up with very soon. I mean, with comments like that, obviously up to interpretation. I want to be clear. No, wait a second. What I'm trying to say here is that one version says that the president meant this just to talk about how Iran is, you know, likely a huge threat. And another version says that he, you know, might have meant it. And what is this is this is the latest bloodbath type hoax where you take something the president said. He was quite clear. His position is listen to the whole thing. And a number of even Democrats and liberal fact checker types have come out today to say, no, no, no.

13:39This is being totally misconstrued. He's saying they could have the capacity to do this if we don't stop them. And that's why we're fighting. And that's why it's worth it. Any honest person listening to that knows that's exactly what he was doing. But a lot of people got spun up on. Don't you think it's hard to understand what the president means sometimes? Not in that clip. No kidding. Not in that clip. I mean, I'm with you. I think you're right sometimes. Not in that clip. It was crystal clear what it was he was saying there. Anyone acting in good faith can listen to that and know specifically.

14:07I mean, look, don't forget, there was a report that came out several months ago about specifically the possibility of Iran sending drone attacks to Los Angeles, which might have actually been in the back of his mind as he was making those comments. I think that's entirely possible. I think what you probably saw there was like a weave within a weave within a weave, which the president does from time to time. And that can make it a little bit inscrutable what he's actually saying at any given moment. But I didn't see any malice there. I didn't even see any indication that he was making a joke in that moment.

14:36Did you see the reaction of the crowd? Yeah, I did hear that. They clearly understood it the way a lot of us understood it Because they laughed and they cheered at the idea of them taking down L.A. and San Diego. I don't think it's a coincidence that he picked two cities in a state that he hates, that he's constantly bashing, where he hates Gavin Newsom, where he hates the leaders, where he says it's ineffective and they're, you know, a drain on America because they're this blue state. I mean, it's funny that he didn't pick a red state. But there is some ambiguity here. And I think there are so many tangible issues for us to discuss that it doesn't really make sense to him.

15:12You guys are being intellectually dishonest. I think it's very clear. To me, it's very clear. In not describing the worst sort of awfulness in this context. From Donald Trump? In this context, yes. From Donald Trump, who is consistently giving us the words of the word. I think he wants scores of Americans to die. I agree with these two that I don't think he's explicitly calling for Iran to attack a California city with nuclear weapons. I don't think anybody's saying that he's calling for that. But he is fantasizing about it openly. I mean, Kerry Bass and Gavin Newsom said exactly what he said.

15:45Because they're so desperate because they can't turn out voters. I'm sorry, but I heard it that way. And I think this is consistent with the Donald Trump that we have known for the last 10 years. I think there is nothing. And I think, frankly, that we have normalized this behavior by pretending that what we just heard and saw on tape is not what we heard or taped. So normally when he's joking, he's got a different tone. He's literally laughing. But in this case, he's not. That man doesn't laugh. Let me tell you something. If Barack Obama had joked about Iran taking out Palm Beach, you all would be setting your hair on fire.

16:16I think you're right. It would have been exceedingly out of character for Barack Obama. It would have failed war in Iran, which he said would last four weeks. And it's lasted eight months, Scott. You want to give up? You declared war a month ago. Is the Strait of Hormuz open? Is the proxy wars ended? No, neither of those have happened. Whoa, whoa, whoa. This is important. Okay. Do you believe presently that oil is not flowing through the Strait of Hormuz? That's not the question. You said it's open. It's not open. This morning a Panamanian cargo vessel was attacked and 12 people were injured by a...

16:46Lord. I'm glad the skies are clear because the lightning is going to come down. The straight of Horn moves. Ships are being bombed in the straight of Horn moves today, Scott. The oil flows are 98 % of pre-war flows. And yet the oil that's not flowing is from Iran. And yet the Iran war is not over. We've beaten these people. Take yes for an answer. I don't think that I was going to win in Iran. If Americans were going to win in Iran, they would say yes. We're going to move on. but I think most Americans would say that we are still at war and they're not clear from the polls that we are winning said war.

17:14But next, as pressure mounts on Trump, he's lashing out at Fox News for giving a platform to Democrats. Plus, as violent protests erupt in Europe over housing and education, the president tonight is blaming migration and Islam. We'll discuss.

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18:42As midterm pressure mounts, so does President Trump's frustration. His latest punching bag is Fox News. After its recent interviews with Senate candidates Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan and Dan Osborne in Nebraska, Trump lashed out on social media accusing the network of promoting Democrats and spending more time covering El-Sayed than GOP candidates. Trump also questioned why Fox interviewed the, quote, sleazebag Dan Osborne and complained that Republicans don't get any positive exposure or airtime. Jason. Is that true? I did not have Fox and Trump at odds in advance of the midterms on my bingo card necessarily.

19:30They're often at odds. They're often at odds, but always because it seems that the president believes that Fox News should be state television. No, what he believes is that this is the kind of rhetoric that gets the base really excited. The us versus them works with the MAGA crowd. It's always worked with the MAGA crowd. I don't think he wants state television. He's not going after just Fox News. He goes after the media in general. And that is nothing new. Remember, this is about right now getting people to turn out. He does not allow any dissent on any media that he believes should be loyal to him.

20:05He doesn't allow dissent. He does. He allows dissent all the time. Has he stopped Fox News from doing anything? Has he stopped this network from doing anything? No, we're still talking about it. We're still critical when it's necessary. It's a good point. Let's actually play a little bit of, I'm going to bring up what he has done just recently today. he called for journalists to be arrested over coverage of his rallies, including my employer, the New York Times, and many other artificial media outlets, quote, should be arrested for their dishonesty and disservice to our country. He's not calling for them to be arrested.

20:41Come on. But wait, I'm actually reading it. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. But don't you know, Lulu, that's another joke. Ha, ha, ha, ha. It's on the screen, Jason. I mean, it's literally there. Should be arrested. So you're taking that not as an exaggeration. You're not taking that as criticism. You think that he's going to throw. So you're concerned that you might be thrown in jail as a result of maybe being critical. So let me ask you, you don't think that it is a problem that the president of the United States, which is supposed to be a beacon of liberty and democracy and free press, is threatening journalistic institutions with the rest.

21:16But he's not. And he has also let us let us also be reminded of what the president has said and done with his FCC, because he has also used his own FCC to target media companies and organizations that he believes is disloyal. Or banned them from the White House. Banned them from the White House. We have seen a concerted attempt to stifle free press. You don't see that? No, I don't see him using the Espionage Act to go after a reporter and possibly throw him in jail. I saw that coming from the Obama administration. I think you're conflating criticism of the media, of which he absolutely says. Congress to be arrested is not criticism.

22:01So on the show last night during the commercial break, I said I would kill for a Coke Zero. And I'm glad some of you weren't here because you would have called 911 and reported me. You're not president of the United States. It is so ludicrous to claim that he's actually going to. If you actually thought that this was a legitimate threat, I would guess there would be a lot of left wing voices on air. maybe cooling some of their rhetoric. But no, it's the opposite, because you know he's not actually threatening you in any serious way of throwing you in jail. The same way when Joe Biden was threatening to punch people wasn't going to actually do that.

22:33Nobody that's got a platform is going to be intimidated by Donald Trump. And you know the way you fight. No, it's not a toothless threat. No one's intimidated. It's not a toothless threat because, number one, he's weaponized the DOJ. He's weaponized the FCC. He has banned press from Air Force One and from the Oval Office. Let me finish, and I tell you, he has berated women reporters. There's threats against journalists because of things that he tweets out. So, no, it's not a toothless threat when it's coming from the most powerful person in the free world. So no one has been thrown in jail, correct?

23:08Oh, is that the metric that we're having to? Well, you're saying that he's threatening to throw people in jail who are simply against it. So he's threatening to throw people in jail, and so what the metric is, we have to wait until someone is actually thrown in prison for this to be okay? Well, if you're saying he's throwing people in jail or wants to throw people in jail for being against him. I am literally quoting what he said. He's got how many years under his belt as president in two terms has anyone been thrown in jail as a reporter? Has a single person been thrown? I certainly concede that he's mean-spirited to reporters he doesn't like.

23:36There is no doubt about that. I'm not even defending that. But don't conflate criticism with a legitimate threat of throwing someone in jail. That I don't think is an honest assessment of his truth. So when he says they should be arrested, it means what now? It means he's being critical of people. You've never heard that? Like, I've heard of aggressively stupid or criminally stupid positions. No, I've never heard it from a president of the United States. Okay, then that's a fair criticism, right? I have never heard it from a president of the United States who has complete power over the DOJ and the Attorney General.

24:06If you want to argue that the rhetoric is unpresidential, I don't even disagree with you on that. I don't. But I'm not going to pretend that that was a serious threat of throwing someone in jail. I want to I want to just bring up here what Trump's FCC has done, because on September 10th, Jimmy Kimmel said his show wouldn't air an interview with James Tallarico because of FCC threats. Politico, February 17th, Colbert says CBS spiked planned Tallarico interview because of FCC pressure. Fox, FCC launching probe into ABC's The View amid crackdown on equal time for candidates. Meanwhile, he is complaining that Fox News is actually putting Democrats on their channel.

24:49Do you not see that there is a little bit of hypocrisy there? I see the hypocrisy specifically on equal time is being put up against me. It's put against Scott. I've had to succumb to equal time requests. And it seems like left wing outlets, especially on TV, don't. And I think that's what the FCC is doing right now. We both are subject to the equal time clause. I get this done to me every single time. Who is subject to equal time? Radio hosts. FCC, people with FCC license. And there's a difference between like ABC and a cable channel, number one. I think the Tallarico thing, frankly, was a total setup.

25:23They did that knowing they wanted to put it on the Internet and then claim they were being silenced or banned. No one is silencing Jimmy Kimmel. He's literally free to do whatever he wants. And he often does whatever he wants. Your shows, The View, is able to do whatever it wants. Nobody is doing anything to anyone. Democrats, liberals, they get plenty of access to the airwaves. The comedians get to make all the jokes they want to make. Conservatives, by the way, are very critical of this. Are we not currently experiencing right now the president banning certain outlets from access to the White House and certain pool reporting?

25:57Air Force One, et cetera? Is that not a thing that's happening? We have a national Trump TV that pools for the press now when the press aren't there? I don't think we should ban people from the pool. At the time, I thought that lumping CNN and Politico in with MS now or whatever was not appropriate because I consider those two things to be different kinds of entities. But no, I don't think we ought to ban media. I don't think we have to ban media. And I don't think we ought to ban reporters from the Oval Office because I think it actually works for the president when he spars with them. I understand his frustrations about the way his administration is being covered in frame.

26:31And should he be writing on social media that journalists should be arrested? It's a rhetorical device. Of course he shouldn't be writing that, but it's telling that he is writing it and he's doing it because he's in such a desperate position right now that he cannot explain. He has no excuses for the way he's dragged the economy into the toilet, for the way he's dragged us into a war in Iran. And so this is what he's had to resort to. I agree with Jason that this is all base politics. He's trying to rev up the base because, you know, he has seen now Abdul El-Sayed. He's seen, you know, Dan Osborne and other Democrats go on Fox News and their shtick isn't working.

27:01They're actually, you know, having real conversations with journalists. Let me ask you particularly about El Saeed, because he is going to places where Democrats have not necessarily gone before. Do you give him credit for going on Fox News? Well, he was only in New York because he had to go to a fundraiser with Mamdani and AOC. $60 ,000 a ticket. $60 ,000 a ticket, by the way. Okay, that's not the question. People have to fundraise, as you've often told me. So he stops by Fox News. I thought he looked pathetic on there. He's evasive. He answers no questions. He gets asked about the hypocrisy of saying, I'm going to get money out of politics and yet running around with Soros and going to$60 ,000.

27:39If he did so badly, why is Donald Trump so pissed off? I don't know. I think it's fine when Democrats go on there. They often fail so badly, but they also remind the conservatives who are watching that channel. Oh, yeah, I better get out and vote because I don't want these lunatics running the country. Do you know what's interesting to me is that conservatives in the last election spent a lot of time going all over the place. Right. If you remember, they were the kings of the manosphere. And I say kings because most of them were men and they were going out and they were doing a great job reaching all these different audiences.

28:11And Democrats took a page from that playbook and they said, all right, we're going to try and do the same. And now you've seen a whole host of Democrats doing similarly. But we have not seen Republicans doing the same thing. If you think about Republicans in tough races, I cannot think of many that have gone out to Democratic outlets and spent a lot of time on their airwaves. Are they being invited? Oh, yes. Are they afraid? Of course. Ken Paxton won't even debate James Tallarico. I mean, they're afraid to have these these tough conversations because the environment is not friendly for them right now.

28:49The economy is not doing well. Voters are not happy. Economic confidence is that you're super confident. Which is why CNN has a town hall with James Tallarico next Wednesday that everybody should tune into. I mean, by the way. Ken Paxton, it's true, has not given interviews. I don't even think to many conservative outlets, to be fair. A lot of. The leaked audio is very helpful. Not a ton, but like Darlene Graham, another person. Mario Vira Salazar. Mario Vira Salazar did a very. Well, she gave a very, not very good interview with local television. What I'm saying is, I haven't, I mean, is it a sign that things are not going well for Republicans?

29:25It's an interesting question. None of these people are actually national candidates. They're in individual states and districts, A, B. Every campaign makes communications decisions based on the strength of their individual candidates. Like, take a congressman, Mike Lawler, from New York, for instance. He's on CNN all the time. He does all sorts of media. That's one of his core strengths. It may not be a core strength of Ken Paxton, therefore you wouldn't focus on it as much. You think it's a core strength? No, he's too chicken shit. problems with his campaign that he doesn't want to answer? I think it could be both things.

29:53And in this particular case with Paxson, this is the president's guy. He chose him. The problems that are occurring in Texas in many respects go back to that particular choice that he made. And I will give Democrats credit for showing up at Fox News, having the tough conversation and getting a tougher cost examination than they're likely to get on plenty of other networks. It's a fair point to make and a reasonable one. And I do think that if you've got a crop of bad candidates, another one to choose Lindsey Graham's sister and insist that not only should she come in temporarily, but she should be the person to run.

30:27Again, the president made this call. Another bad candidate who is hiding that call, who is hiding. The president of the United States wanted her as the candidate. He pushed for it. Voters will have to make the call eventually. But there was a primary. She ran. There was a primary. There was. But she got a huge assist. Something we forget. It's not only Republicans that watch Fox News. They pull a fair number of Democrats. Sure. Which is why they're going to make a case there. They have a huge audience. Some of them are, maybe they're more conservative Democrats. I assume Elsie is not doing well with conservative rural Democrats in Michigan.

31:03So maybe it would make sense to go do it. But I watched what he did. I didn't think he did well at all. All right. Next, the president won almost half the Latino vote in the last election, but Republican strategists aren't counting on that being the case. For the midterms, we'll debate.

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32:04Will the Latino vote fuel a blue wave next month? Early signs don't look good for Republicans, excuse me, early signs don't look good for Republicans and appear to show major cracks in the coalition that got President Trump elected two years ago. Trump's approval rating among Latinos is at 27 percent. And quick reminder, that just is just under half of Latino voters voted for him in 2024. According to Democratic strategist Tom Bonnier, Hispanic voter turnout in Virginia is 50 percent higher than this point two years ago. And he says that trend continues in every state he checked. But when asked about the waning support from Latinos, President Trump denied it and got very defensive.

32:53Your approval ratings with Latino voters has dropped down to 27 percent. What's your message to that? I'm your fake news. You're CNN, you're fake news. What's your message to Latino voters? My poll numbers are great. And all you have to do is look at the crowds we're drawing. And every time I leave, that candidate will be losing. And by the time I leave, they're winning. No, CNN poll numbers are fake and your whole outfit is fake and so are you.

33:19OK, there you have it. Latino, the Latino vote is really important. Why? They have shown themselves to be swing voters. They have shown themselves not to be loyal to any particular party, but they are loyal on issues. And the main issue that they are loyal about is actually not immigration, but the economy. That is always the thing that polls number one for Latino voters. And what are we seeing with the economy? They are saying they are hurting like most Americans. And so how dangerous is losing the Latino vote for the Republican Party when we see where Latinos are in a lot of these swingy districts, that are important to the president?

34:06Well, it's certainly important in Florida. It's certainly important in Texas. It's certainly important in North Carolina. It's certainly important in places like Pennsylvania. And look, yes, Latinos are hurting economically just like every other American. Latinos are against this war with no end, just like most Americans. And Latinos serve 20 % in the armed forces. But on top of that, on top of that, It is the cruelty that Latinos are seeing. I can't tell you how many Latinos tell me, oh, we voted for him on immigration. We didn't think he meant people like us. In the meantime, he is deporting 25000 people to places in Africa that are in the middle of civil war.

34:50The foreign policy with Venezuela, which Latinos, Venezuelans, Cubans, Nicaraguans celebrated on January 3rd has turned out to be an abysmal disaster where he has empowered the vice president of Maduro that he left in office and made a treasonous oil deal with a criminal. The foreign policy towards Cuba, I don't think anybody understands what the plan is. And there's a lot of people hurting. So you've got the economy, the war. And then you've got the cruelty of immigration. We are seeing on a daily basis. If you are Latino, you look at your algorithm and you look at your local news and you see families being separated.

35:26You see children being held in deplorable conditions in detention centers. You see spouses crying on TV, on local news because their spouse has been deported. You're seeing such suffering and it is impacting the economy because you know that in places like Doral, which is a place where a lot of Venezuelans live, where the Doral Trump golf course is, people are so terrified that businesses have lost 70 percent of their clientele. So if people want to know what's going on with the Latino vote, that's going on with the Latino vote. I disagree with the characterization of Venezuela. I think this has been an amazing success.

36:07We took a country that was an enemy and a problem for the United States and the Western Hemisphere. And now we've turned it into something that we can actually work with on Cuba. The woman who won the Nobel Peace Prize, Maria Corina Machado, is not allowed to go inside of Venezuela. She is the hero of the Democratic opposition. And the Trump administration has shown no interest in installing democracy or in allowing or in supporting her rightful claim to return to her country. The president just the other day was reported, widely reported, that he said we're going to have to have elections in Venezuela.

36:47We're in a transition. Was this before or after he met with Delcez Rodriguez, who is the vice president of Maduro? She's running the country. And she doesn't make a move without talking to the United States. Okay. So we have access to all these oil fields, which is good for the American people. Maria Corina Machado into the country. Maria Corina Machado has attempted, what, seven, eight times to go into Venezuela, and they don't allow her in. Amongst the moves that he has made, because he controls Delce Rodriguez, is an oil deal with a man who is a criminal, Scott, who was under indictment in several countries in Europe.

37:20who we had to, you know, sit on European countries so that they would lift those indictments so he could travel here. Venezuelans right now, I'm telling you, you know, I know Venezuelans. I live amongst Venezuelans. The Venezuelans who supported Donald Trump, the Venezuelans who were celebrating on January 3rd today are indignant, pissed off and betrayed. And to make matters worse, he is removing TPS from Venezuelans, and he is deporting them to places like Africa, where there are civil wars going on in places like Sudan. Let's push pause and continue this after the break.

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39:00Let's pick up where we left off, which is with the Latino vote and how important it's going to be in the midterms. I want to bring up a Telemundo NBC poll where they asked Latino voters in particular, what were the issues that were really motivating them? And 31 percent of Latino voters say they or someone close to them carry identification because of ICE. and 27 % know someone who has been detained or deported by ICE. Scott, this is an issue. It's definitely, it might not be the issue for Latino voters, but it is a very important issue. It is an important issue, but the point is, if you're an American citizen or you're here with legal status and you've not come here and broken our laws, you have nothing to worry about.

39:49If you have come here and broken our laws, if you've come across the border, Millions of people came across the border during the Biden years. The Trump administration was elected in part to deport as many of the people who have broken our laws as possible. I'm not disputing that it is an issue for some people. I don't dispute the poll numbers. But the president was elected to enforce the law. Can I? Scott, there's a woman named Marimar Martinez. She's a teacher's aide from Chicago. She's a Latina who was shot by ICE. She's currently suing the federal government. She's a U.S. citizen. There's plenty of U.S.

40:21citizens who look like me and sound like me, who have been dragged through the streets, who have been punched, who have been shot, who have been wounded. So if you are a Latino and you see the racial profiling that's going on by ICE, you see the thuggery, you see the tactics, you most definitely have a reason to be afraid. You bring up Chicago. There was also a U.S. citizen named Sheridan Gorman in Chicago who was murdered by an illegal alien there. In fact, she lived in New York. You know what the difference is? This is happening by the government, not by a criminal. Demanding somebody do something about this.

40:51So you can anecdote this to death, is my point. But do not equate something that is crimes being committed by the government with impunity with crimes being committed by criminals. Throw the book at all the criminals. Latino or not. U.S. citizen or not. That's what they're trying to do. Okay, but they're not. You're comparing apples and oranges. No. No, no. You brought up, you're bringing up something you don't like, and I'm bringing up the murder of a U.S. citizen, which you don't seem to care about. No, do you care about the white people murdering black people? First of all. Do you care about the victims in the churches when white people go in?

41:22Why is it that every time we talk about this issue, you guys want to bring up Latino criminals? Listen. It's because you never do. Illegal alien criminals. It's because the Democrats never do. There is a huge difference between the government doing this with badges, with impunity, dragging U.S. citizens through the streets and shooting them, than there is with a criminal of any ill. Can I do your story? The Latino community has been at ground zero for every one of Trump's disastrous policies, from tariffs to the Iran war to the disastrous mass deportation regime and internment camp regime that they've launched across the country.

41:59And it's not just those economic factors that is forefront. They put a target on the back of every person with brown skin in this country. And they put that fear into every single person of Latino descent, including children, women, who are stuffed into these internment camps across the country. And by the way, they've stripped. They've stripped. For the love of God. I mean, again, I get your concern. I do. Stay one night in there. Then tell me what they are. Okay. Well, why don't you do some research on actual internment camps and then have that conversation? It is a fair policy argument that you don't like.

42:32Dozens of people have died inside of them. I got it. They've deported a dozen citizens. Yes, I know. And of course, we don't talk about any of the previous deaths that happened at these so-called internment camps when we had actual cages, literal cages, not the made-up stuff that AOC took photos in front of. By the way, they deported more than a dozen citizens. They deported more than a dozen citizens. The problem, I think, in some of this is that there are a lot of folks on the left who will not have any conversations that you just mentioned. And I think there's a fair point of throwing the book at the criminals.

43:03There are Democrats who do not actually believe in enforcement at all on immigration issues. They don't. And they don't talk. Hold on one second. They do not talk about the American victims or any other victims. What was the percentage? 95 % of the people have no criminal record whatsoever. Okay, that, of course, is a made-up stat. It's not. It is overwhelming. It is the overwhelming majority. Is it 95 %? It is. I think it's probably closer to 60, 70 % of people that do not. When you're in this country illegally, it's literally in the term. No, no, but that's not. When he said the words of the worst, that's not what he was referring to.

43:39Hold on. Let me bring some clarity to this, which is as follows. There is a number of things happening here. I don't think anyone disputes sending criminals who have committed violent crimes and deporting them from this country. Wait, blue state governors dispute this across the country when they won't cooperate with us? They have sanctuary policies that are specifically intended to not allow that exact thing that you're saying. The idea of what Donald Trump had promised was deportations and the priority of criminals. What we have seen is people who have entered this country illegally, but with no criminal record, being deported, and sometimes to third countries where they have no roots and no connections.

44:24Or being put in prisons in El Salvador. prisons where we wouldn't, where the standards are not what we would consider humane in this country. If a judge orders you to be deported, should you be deported? And there is not only this problem. We shouldn't change the subject here. This is, and there's not only this problem. The other problem is that we have also seen restrictions on legal immigration into this country. They have stripped more people of legal status in this country. They've de-documented, turned people into undocumented immigrants, more people than they've actually deported. If you add up all of the TPS holders, all of the parole holders, all of the visa holders, it's more than the T stand for.

45:02What's the T stand for? What is the temporary part? So at what point? We can have an honest debate about what that term means, right? But does it mean forever or does it mean temporary? Now, if you agree that the T means temporary, define what temporary means. Congress defines temporary. Congress defines temporary, not the president. But you know what's so interesting? I think President Trump decided not to take away the TPS, temporary protected status of El Salvadorans, because he was told that if he did that, he wouldn't have people to work on his construction projects in D .C. because the majority of people who work construction are from El Salvador in Washington, D.C.

45:40and that area. And so what I would say about that is, does that not show a level of hypocrisy about what exactly is going on here? I don't know if it was narrowly about his projects in particular, but it does seem that it at least suggests that there's a capacity for nuance on the part of the administration. And I think it is certainly true that there are plenty of Democrats who didn't take immigration issues seriously enough. That is partly why they lost that election and Donald Trump won. But it's also reasonable to accept the fact that the administration has not prioritized criminals in the way that they suggested that they would, that they have not prosecuted their campaign against illegal immigration in this sort of constrained way that might have permitted them to maintain public support.

46:22And the polls, by the way, show it because the president is underwater on immigration. Absolutely. Everyone, thank you. We'll be back in a moment.

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