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Coffeez for Closers - Episode 54: Unlocking Potential ft. John Assaraf
Podcast Overview Host: Joseph Shalaby Guest: John Assaraf Description: This episode features John Assaraf, a self-made entrepreneur and behavioral neuroscience expert. He discusses his journey towards unlocking human potential, emphasizing the importance of mindset, gratitude, and effective strategies for personal growth and success.
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Key Themes and Concepts
- John Assaraf's Morning Routine
- Dopamine Activation: John starts his day by smiling and expressing gratitude, which he believes activates feel-good neurochemicals.
- Meditation & Vision Boards: He incorporates meditation and reviews his vision board, which includes goals for health, wealth, relationships, and personal experiences.
- Importance of Mindset
- Mental Training: Assaraf discusses the concept of "inner sizing," a method of training the brain similar to physical exercise, aimed at reinforcing positive habits and overcoming limiting beliefs.
- Neuroplasticity: He highlights that the brain is malleable and can be reshaped through consistent mental training and visualization practices.
- Overcoming Obstacles
- Weight Loss and Addiction: Assaraf shares his personal struggles with weight management and the addictive properties of food, emphasizing the need to reset one's mental "thermostat" for lasting change.
- Fear & Motivation: He explains how fear circuits in the brain can hold individuals back, and the importance of understanding and overcoming these fears.
- Tools for Success
- Vision Boards: Assaraf encourages listeners to create vision boards to visualize their goals and dreams, making them more tangible.
- Goal Setting: He outlines the importance of setting realistic, bite-sized goals that lead to larger aspirations, encouraging a step-by-step approach to achieving success.
- The Role of Action
- Law of Goya: Assaraf emphasizes the necessity of taking action, stating that merely wishing or hoping for change is insufficient without effort. He coins the phrase "Get Off Your Ass-raff" to marry his last name with the principle of taking action.
- Productivity vs. Activity: He warns against confusing mere activity with productive effort, stressing the need for informed and strategic actions toward one's goals.
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Personal Stories
- Transformation Journey: John shares his transition from a troubled youth to a successful entrepreneur, including pivotal moments that steered him toward mentorship and personal development.
- Vision Board Experience: He recounts a profound moment when he realized he had manifested his dream home through diligent visualization with his vision board.
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Building a Legacy
- Family Goals: Assaraf discusses the importance of instilling similar values in his children, advocating for their understanding of goal-setting and commitment.
- Contribution to Society: His overarching aim is to use his life to inspire others, leaving a positive mark through his teachings and the development of tools that promote mental fitness.
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Closing Remarks
- Life and Health Perspective: John emphasizes the beauty and miracle of life, advocating for a lifestyle that encourages vitality and well-being as one ages.
- Future Aspirations: He aspires to scale his initiatives at NeuroGym and Inner Size, aiming for a million users to engage with mental fitness daily.
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Conclusion This episode of *Coffeez for Closers* with John Assaraf provides valuable insights into the interplay between mindset, action, and personal growth. It encourages listeners to take control of their lives through strategic thinking, visualization, and the adoption of effective mental training techniques.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:03What's up, everybody, and welcome to another episode of Coffees for closers, the podcast where we dive deep into the minds of the most influential leaders and innovators. Today, we have an extraordinary guest who has mastered the art of leveraging the human mind's power to achieve success. With over 30 years of experience, he has built five multi-million dollar companies, authored two New York Times bestsellers, and appeared in blockbuster films like The Secret. He's a world-renowned entrepreneur, behavioral neuroscience researcher, and the founder and CEO of Neurogym. Get ready to unlock the secrets of your mind and the secrets of success with the one, the only John Asaroff.
0:58Thanks so much, John. Thanks for driving down. I hope the drive wasn't too overwhelming. From San Diego to Newport Beach, easy peasy. John, so I like to start the podcast off with the same question I ask everybody is, what is John Astroff's morning routine? Oh, very good. Wake up. As soon as I open up my eyes, I actually smile. And the reason I do that is to activate dopamine, the feel-good neurochemical. And then I think about three or four things that I am grateful for, again, to keep activating the dopamine neurochemical, which is, you know, your anticipatory of reward. Then as I put my feet on the ground on my bedroom, I think about how some people didn't wake up this morning and couldn't do that.
1:47So again, more gratitude. So smiling, happy, gratitude for, you know, family, friends, health, and living. And then I do my morning meditation, which is around 10 to 12 minutes of meditation. I do a variety of different meditations. Mostly I turn on my inner size app and I do one of my inner sizes in the morning meditations. Then I take out my vision board book, my exceptional life blueprint is what I call it. And I flip through the 50 or so pages of the different things I've achieved in my life, the different things I want to achieve in my life. And then I review every single goal that I have for health, wealth, relationships, career, business, finance, charity, and the fun and experiences that I want to live out this year, next year, the year after that.
2:37So I prime my brain every day with the things to remind me of what I've accomplished and achieved, the things I want to achieve in the future for my vision, and then my goals for this year and for next year and the year after that. So I prime my brain for that. By the way, before that, there is coffee. There is a double espresso before all that. and then I go and work out. I have a home gym or I get on my e-bike and I take my e-bike to the gym. I usually do two or three body parts a day. That routine takes me about two hours from the time I wake up to the time I'm back to my house showering and then I have my high-powered smoothie for massive energy and protein for muscle building and then I'm at my desk at 8.30 for a meeting with my executive assistant.
3:26That is a packed morning routine. 6 30 to 8 30 well i mean it's like jam-packed with so much information that like a lot of people like i think i ask everybody what's their morning routine that's the best morning routine i've ever heard thank you and a lot to learn from that because uh i subscribe to the inner size app i love the inner size app and the inner size app is so much more than just meditation uh strategy Yeah, the whole idea for inner size came from watching Jack LaLanne when I was a kid in the 60s, 70s. You're like the modern day Jack LaLanne. For the mind, right? So he did exercise to strengthen your muscles.
4:06And I used to visualize and meditate and affirm and see the problems I had. And then I would visualize and think about the solutions. And I realized that I was just training my brain. and then I went to the 1976 Olympics in Montreal because that's where I used to live. And I would see the athletes close their eyes. Some of them would be practicing free throws in their mind. Some of them would be using their hands like this of how they're gonna navigate through. And I was asking my basketball coach at the time, what are they doing? And he said, they're visualizing. And he said, visualization is a simulation that teaches your brain a pattern.
4:47And any pattern that you repeat becomes automatic, otherwise known as a habit. So I started to visualize my success. And so that was kind of like the beginning of inner sizing. And I kept doing it year after year after year. When I was building my real estate company where I had 1 ,200 agents and 85 offices, we exploded our sales from when we got to$1.2 billion to$4.5 billion by helping our agents train their brains and their self-image and self-worth and self-esteem and get rid of limiting beliefs. And I just realized that our brain, especially since we found out that our brain is more like plastic than it is like lead, and we can mold this plastic, neuroplasticity is what it's called, you can deliberately fire brain cells, wire them together, and then reinforce them.
5:43and when you do any repetition of a language pattern, an emotional pattern, a visualization pattern, any type of technique that you can use, you're refiring your own brain cells and then if you are refiring and rewiring and then you do it repeatedly, it's no different than what we do in the gym with building your muscle or walking every day up a hill or doing Pilates or yoga. It gets stronger, you get stronger. so I started to deliberately and consciously evolve myself and then I've had over 100 ,000 students that have been inner sizing for years and the results they're getting in health and wealth and sales and leadership and being a CEO and and losing weight and keeping it off it's just been phenomenal so I created my inner size app to help the world with over 500 different inner sizes for health wealth relationships career business leadership sales and everything else they can think of plus expert training with our faculty of world-renowned brain and success experts and you bring in things like i i learned about the the neat acronym on on inner size i've been super fascinated you had the weight so it's a weight loss uh you just added weight loss yeah we just added it and it's like oh wait they didn't gain weight loss like i don't need to but no you need to read about it just or learn about it just because people don't they know what they don't know and who knew that like non-exercise activity thermogenics are are the reason why people are obese you know it's uh it's people are well we first inform us as it relates to weight um uh we live in an obesogenic environment you know if you take a look at the foods that are genetically modified engineered fast food sugar carb um we are addicted to the salt the fat the sugar uh the carbs you know because our brain actually likes that so it becomes addicted to getting that dopamine hit so as much as it likes it it becomes addicted to it but then we eat a lot of it as a reward but then addiction doesn't care really about reward it just cares about feeding the monster yeah so when i i was 243 pounds when i started to discover how come i kept gaining and losing weight 20 pounds here, 10 pounds there, 30 pounds off, 30 pounds back on.
8:03And I discovered that everybody has, for example, a fat set point in your brain. Everybody has a financial set point in your brain. We have a relationship set point. We become conditioned to have these comfort zones, just like a thermostat. And what most people don't normally do, if they want to make more money, if they want to grow their business bigger, if they want to borrow a bunch of money to invest in their business they don't know how to reset the thermostat and that's why they yo-yo back and forth between old behaviors or new behaviors and they achieve some success in whether it's weight loss or more money and then they receive back to what's normal because that's the setting and so we have a lot of these circuits and settings in our brains that i've just been fascinated with now for 40 43 years i was going to ask you what age did you become so fascinated with with 19 i'm 63 now.
8:59Oh, my best, most fit 63-year-old I've ever seen. Got an eight-pack, just shredded. I got fascinated, you know, when I was 12 to 18, I got into an enormous amount of trouble with the law. I left high school in grade 11. I felt two years behind other kids in school because of the language barrier I had when my parents moved from Israel, the Middle East, to Montreal. They spoke French and English there. And I just sat in the class and looked at the ceilings and, you know, prodded the kid next to me on the shoulder and picked somebody's hair just because I was bored. And, um, and so I just got into a lot of trouble and fell behind.
9:37And so I got involved with a group of kids that were really good at, um, shoplifting, beating other kids up, doing breaking and entries and doing the legal stuff to make some money to fit in. And, uh, I knew that I was going down the wrong path and I was on the wrong train picking up speed when one of my friends died and another one went to jail. So I was like, uh-oh, like that could be me. And I had a break in my life, like a thank God break in my life. My brother who I love and loves me, who's nine years older, was really concerned for my well-being. And he said to me, he says, hey, there's this guy, his name is Alan Brown that is a successful real estate entrepreneur, developer, entrepreneur, philanthropist.
10:26And he said, he's willing to meet with you and maybe there's a job available for you. And at the time I was working for Phillips Electronics in their shipping department in making$1.65 an hour, hating every day. And I said, a job? Meet somebody who might be able to give me a job. I took the train to Toronto, met my brother at the train station, went to lunch, and we meet this guy. And my brother was sitting next to me. He was sitting like where you are now. And he asked me, what were my goals? I said, oh, I want a better job. I want to make more money. I want to move out of my parents' house. And I want a car.
11:04And he said, that's great. Good goals to have. But what are some of your bigger goals and dreams? I remember I was 19. So I was like, no, I want money to go to the bars, you know, to go have some fun and maybe meet some young ladies and party with my friends. And so he said, well, do you have any other bigger goals and dreams? I said, no. So he gave me this document and he said, would you mind just answering some of these questions and then we can go from there? And I said, sure. So I opened up the first page and at the top, it said, at what age do you want to retire? I'm 19. I go, retire? I want a job.
11:43and uh he said well just put something down because i asked him what should i put there he said put a number down i said um is 45 okay and he goes uh sure put 45 down and the second question was upon retirement how much net worth do you want to have now my dad was a cab driver my mother worked at a local department store there was always too many extra days left at the end of all of their money so he's telling me how much money do i want to have upon retirement i him like what am i supposed to put there like nobody in my family has ever retired they all work till they die and so he says just pick a number and i said uh i don't know three million is that okay and he goes yeah that's okay it's a good number to put down anyway uh age retirement where do you want to travel i wrote all over the world uh what kind of car do you want mercedes-benz 450sl i think it was at the time or 500sl convertible uh italian clothes four bedroom house, retire my parents.
12:40I wrote down all of these things to answer the questions. And this was the moment my life changed. This was beginning of May, 1980, just up into perspective, everyone. And he takes the documents, he starts reading it and he goes, this is good stuff. Retire at a good age, have fun, travel the world, give some to charity, to your parents, your brother, your sister. He said, I'm going to ask you one question. And the answer to this one question will determine and tell you and tell me whether you'll achieve every one of these things. I'm like, one question? He goes, yeah, one question. And he leans in and he goes, are you interested in achieving all of these things that you wrote down or are you committed to achieving them?
13:29And I sat there, I felt a little bit like I was in school, like a little dumb, like I didn't understand the physics or math problem, which I didn't in school. And I go, excuse me, Mr. Brown, what's the difference between the two? And I'll never forget what he said. And I still teach it to this day. He says, listen, when people are interested, they do what's easy and convenient. He says they allow their present or current circumstances to control their thinking and their behavior. They allow what they believe to be the truth. They allow their habits to continue, even though some of them are destructive, some of them are disempowering, and some of them are darn right negative.
14:09He says, but when somebody is committed, they upgrade their identity. They upgrade their beliefs. They upgrade their knowledge. They upgrade their skills. They upgrade their habits so that they match the vision and the goals that they want to achieve. so he leans in joe and he says so now that you know the difference which are you interested in achieving these goals and dreams or are you committed i don't know why to this day i don't know why i said well in that case mr brown i'm committed and he reached his hand across the table, put my hand in his. He says, in that case, I will be your mentor.
15:03And I said, wow, thank you, sir. What's a mentor? That's how it went down. Three weeks later, I moved 350 miles from Montreal to Toronto. The only person I knew now was him and my brother. I went to real estate school, May 5th, 1980, got my real estate paper or license June 20th, 1980. He gave me a job. I lived in my brother's apartment on the sofa. He gave me a job on commission only. Before I was making a buck 65 an hour. Now I'm on commission only. I was scared shitless. Now I got no money, no money. I had to borrow the$500 to go to real estate school. He says, don't worry. Now you're in control.
15:50You're always in control. Even when you work for somebody else, you control how much they pay you based on how good you are. Because the marketplace has a value for everyone and everything. So he started teaching me the principles of value, the principles of marketing and selling. And the first thing he taught me, he put a book in front of me. I can't remember what the name of the book was. He says, let's pick the streets back here where our office is. I was in Toronto now. And he says, I want you to go from the top down. Here's a sheet of paper. And here's a script. Pick up the phone, dial. By the way, we had to dial back then.
16:28And then he got a script in front of me. So I would have my phone in one hand and the script in front of me. And I would go, hi, this is John Nassaroff with Alan Brown Real Estate Company. We're just down the street from you. We have somebody who is looking to buy a home. Have you thought about making a move? If they said yes, I'd flip the page. I'd go, oh, great. Can my broker, Alan Brown, and I come over to your home today at 3 o 'clock, or would 5 o 'clock be better? And he taught me that's called an alternative close. And if they said one of the times, I'd say, great. We'll see you at 3 or 5 o 'clock, 3 o 'clock or 5 o 'clock.
17:03If they said no, I'd go to the page next to it, and he said, oh, okay. Do you know when you might think of making a move? So I had to learn it off of a script. and then he said to me now what i want you to do is record the script so that you know it inside out so i recorded on a cassette tape we didn't have mobile phones then all right back in 1980 we were just getting the mobile phones out but i record them on cassettes and in my car i was listening i was listening to the script to wire my brain with the script like a hollywood actor or a New York actress learns the script by memory. I learned the script.
17:43Then he taught me the objections and the answers to the objections. And then I made$30 ,000 in six months on calling a script every day, 100 calls a day. Every day, the formula, 100 calls a day. You don't speak to 100 people a day. Every day, 100 calls. Every day, 100 calls. Back then, people would answer the phone. and we didn't have caller ID. We didn't have any of that back then. So dialing for dollars with a script that I practiced like a pro, I made 30 grand my first year. My second year, he says, okay, now, or my second 12 months, he says, now that you're good at that, I'm gonna teach you a more complex script because it involves actually going to see people.
18:24So he taught me the door knocking script, knocking on somebody's door face to face and we practiced that in the office. but he also taught me something called the for sale by owner script, going after people who already raised their hand saying, I wanna sell my home, but I don't wanna use a real estate agent. I learned the Tommy Hopkins script for that. And I was the king of for sale by owners at the age of 21. I made$150 ,000 in my next 12 months. So that was like the beginning of training my brain. And then another guy by the name of Rocky Madsen introduced me to the world of visualization and affirmations and different mental and emotional rehearsal techniques that I started, you know, when I was 19.
19:11Wow. The journey started young. So when did you become so fascinated with like the vision boards? Was it 19? No, no, no, no, no, no. As I got fascinated with what happened to me and I had when I was 22, I went traveling around the world for 15 months. I took$72 ,000 that I'd saved up and traveled around the world. When I came back, I worked really hard to make the money back. I got you to three cities now. I went for 15 months around the world. It was magical. When I came back, I worked really hard, probably too much. So a lot of drinking, a lot of poor foods, not exercising enough, but working hard to make money.
19:55My life had total imbalance to make money, which ended up creating a lot of stress, which activated my autoimmune system with ulcerative colitis. So at 22, I had ulcers in my colon that were bleeding. And through probably about 15, 18 months, I was taking 25 pills a day. I was doing a cortisone enema in the morning and at night at home alone. Yes, embarrassing because I was shitting all over the place. You have zero bowel control. I could shit in my car with a client in there. I could shit at a restaurant because I couldn't make it to the bathroom. That's what colitis swells up your intestines, but it doesn't swell up where there's more room.
20:37It swells it so there's no room for anything to go. So there's just these explosions. And I was like, what is going on? And then I saw something on TV that talked about something called psychoneuroimmunology. It's like big freaking word, right? I was like, what the heck does that mean? All it means is there's a mind-body connection. The body follows the mind, the mind follows the body. And so I started doing these affirmations and visualizations, and I actually cut out a picture of a healthy colon. And my affirmation was my body and all its organs were created by the infinite intelligence in my subconscious mind.
21:15It created all my muscles, tissues, bones, and organs. It made me perfect. It is making me whole and perfect. Now I give thanks for the creative intelligence that is within me right now, making me perfect and healthy right now. I would read that on a piece of paper 20, 30 times a day. I didn't know then, but I was activating those neurons. I didn't know then that I was creating an emotional state of this health. I didn't know then that I believe there is something that connects us to this field of intelligence that we are all in. And I didn't know then that I was releasing the neurochemicals of what I was speaking into truth.
21:59Five weeks, five weeks. And by the way, I was going to the hospital every month to get it checked. And you know, through where, when you have ulcerative colitis, they usually either go through your mouth or through your butt. I didn't enjoy that. But within five weeks of the affirmation, closing my eyes and seeing my colon healthy, seeing myself active, working out, exercising, enjoying life, not being a victim and traumatized by it, five weeks later, it was gone. And I called up my doctor. His name was Dr. Wu. and I said hey it's gone he says well I want you to still take the pills and I said to him I don't think you understand you want to treat the symptom I fixed the cause and yes I started to eat a diet that was better and yes I did start to exercise every day to release the stress.
22:59So between the exercise, the food plan, and the visualization and the affirmations, it was gone, like gone. And I can't tell you how many places I actually shit in without any control over 18 months. So I went from trauma to health. And I haven't looked back. And so I have been visualizing, meditating, inner sizing, mental contrasting, affirming for decades now. And I've taught it to hundreds of thousands of students from CEOs to professional athletes to engineers, lawyers, doctors, homemakers. It doesn't matter. We have a hundred billion dollar brain with very little or very few instructions on how to use it better.
23:52but the research today is is is eons we've had you know 500 years of scientific research but it's only in the last 25 years we've learned more about the brain because we can actually look inside a human living brain but in the last five years what we've been discovering because of fmri functional magnetic resonance imaging technology pet technology spec scan technologies we're able to see, you know, we know we have three circuits. We know we have, excuse me, three networks in the brain, the salience executive and default mode network. They're like computer networks that do certain things. What we didn't know is we could activate or deactivate them ourselves.
24:36But we also have a fear circuit, motivational circuit, uncertainty circuit, doubt circuit, self-worth circuit. And they're more in our control than we have ever known. But many people suffer from ignorance, just not knowing, right? So if you imagine you give somebody, you know, a Mercedes Benz, but they don't know how to drive. It's really pretty in the driveway, but they ain't going anywhere without it. So we have this phenomenal, powerful, genius brain, and everybody's brain works the same functionally. Now, what causes you to have fear or you to have fear or me to have fear may be different, but the fear circuit works the same.
25:22What motivates you may not motivate somebody who's listening or watching right now. So her motivational circuit may be active watching this. Somebody else's might go, ah, that's a bunch of bullshit and they're out of here. So the key to understand is we have a lot more control than we think we have, but there are techniques and mechanisms that we could use and or activate to optimize the use of our brain. And I say the use of our brain, right? Like optimize the use of your hand. We have a brain. We are not our brain. You have a heart. You're not your heart. You have feet. You're not your feet but we have not been taught how to use our brain better and that's what i've been studying and fascinated with because i have evidence i have my own evidence uh in health in relationships in money in business in helping others it's one thing if it was only working for me but i have tens of thousands of use cases of use cases of clients members of you know my neurogym and inner size.
26:37And so there's a process and I've just been fascinated with that. I don't know why, but I've been fascinated with this gift that our God, creator, whatever you want to call it, gave us. So Neurogym is like a group, like inner size, but just a group? Yeah, the company is called Neurogym. Our website is myneurogym.com and we have coaching programs for money, for business, for fear, for procrastination, for weight loss. and they all involve live coaching. They all involve brain training, the ones that we've created and give to people and they all involve community to help each other. And what's really interesting is I've had over 100 ,000 members in the last eight years, 100 ,000.
27:20I had a call this morning with several hundred of our members in our Win a Game of Money program and yesterday was Win a Game of Business program. And you know what's fascinating is the names and faces change, but the questions are the same. The stories are the same. The traumas are similar. The fears are similar. The limiting beliefs are similar. The worthiness challenges are similar. There's only four things that keep coming back over and over again that hold people back. One is they've developed beliefs that are limiting them, but they weren't born with them. They develop self-image or self-worth or self-confidence issues, but they weren't born with a lack of those.
28:08They have fears like, you know, fear of failing or fear of succeeding and failing or fear of being embarrassed or ashamed or ridiculed or judged or rejected or unloved or abandoned or disappointed. Those are things that trigger their fear circuit. they have a lack of knowledge and skills of how to achieve something so that activates doubt and uncertainty which triggers fear which deactivates the motivational circuit most people like look at you look at me look at themselves in the mirror and it's like that's who i am no you're not that's your body that's your face that's your nose those are your eyes it's your hair um well my brain i'm my brain no you're not you have a brain but your brain operates in a certain way like your car does like an airplane does like a train does like you know like everything has like an operating system and most people's challenge is not that they're not genius and brilliant beyond imagination they just haven't been trained on how to use what God already gave them.
29:19And so I teach them what I learned, what I've applied. But then collectively, you know, we help people identify what is really holding you back. Is it your limiting beliefs? Okay, let's get rid of them. You weren't born with fears. You weren't born with limiting beliefs. You weren't born with a self-image. You weren't born with confidence. You were born with character traits and certain propensities based on genetics. But we also know that epigenetics overrides genetic propensities through environment, through thought, through behavior, through emotional regulation. And so for anybody who's willing to learn, anybody who's willing to become more aware and to be growth-minded, as Carol Dweck said, versus closed-minded, there's hope and there's a path.
30:06And I tell all of my students, would you agree? And I'll ask you this, would you agree? any goal you want right now, just about, just about any goal. Let's say 99 % of your goals. Has somebody achieved them? Absolutely. Oh, so they're doable. Yeah. So if somebody's achieved them and they're doable, the how-to manual already exists. And if you want like some quick help, go to ChatGPT. A new era has dawned upon us. Like I'm on it every day. My students are all on it. every day. I think you've built out AI mechanisms in your platform. In the app. In the app, yeah. In the app. I have an AI coach. I trained the app with over a thousand hours of my coaching.
30:53And people could ask me any question. And it's all in written form now. You can actually talk to it and it'll answer you. And then the next iteration comes out in about two to three weeks is you can actually talk to me and I'll answer you in my voice. With your image or no? we're not moving to video yet the the um um latency is still not perfect yeah i have some really good clones of myself with hey gen um which is a really good cloning um software but it's not perfect yet and and i like things to to look and feel right for my own brand and quality so i'm doing most of the talking so sorry no i want you to because everyone hears me all day.
31:39Oh, okay, good. Everyone hears me all day. So, so talk about the secret, because you told me the story about the secret. Now, how did you get involved in the movie, The Secret? So I wrote a book in 2003. It's called Having It All, because I focused a lot of my life on health, wealth, relationships, career, business, family, my children, my wife, my brother, my sister, traveling, having fun, having experiences. And I set that as my vision and goals back in 1980. And I've been working towards having it all. And so I wrote how I was able to achieve most of having it all. And then in the book, in 1995, I'm going to come back to a question you asked earlier around 1995 i started to take my goals for health wealth relationship career business and i created these boards they're called vision boards and on every board i had like a health board i had a picture of the body that i want had a picture of the body i wanted which you accomplished which clearly um i had up again but this was going back to 1995 right so we're like 40 years, 40 years ago.
32:59I had, you know, like my Mercedes bend, I had a picture of where I want to travel. So I had these boards, one for each area of my life. And on one of the boards, I was going through this dream homes magazine. And I saw this house on the cover. And I went, Oh, my God, one day, when I could buy any house I want, I didn't know where it was or how much it was. there was this spectacular house with like 188 windows tennis court swimming pool white like Miami vice which I loved and cactus gardens and acreage I said one day when I can afford any house I want I'm gonna buy a house just like that and I I took my like cutting pen and I cut the image of the of the thing and I put it up on my vision board and every day when I'd come into my home office, I would look at the board, close my eyes, and I would see myself walking by the pool.
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34:00I'd see myself playing basketball on the tennis court. I would see myself in the jacuzzi. I would see myself in the orange grove. I'd just see myself living in a house like that. And I did that for about two years, you know, visualized it, emotionalized it, let it go. And I probably did four or five days a week. Not every day was I in my home office. And two years later, I decided to moved from Indiana where I built Remax of Indiana. I moved to Vancouver, British Columbia for a year. So all my stuff went to storage. Other than clothes, we just put everything in storage. Furniture, everything went to storage.
34:39It went from Vancouver. We lived there for a year. The deal that I worked on there didn't work out. I went to LA because my former wife wanted to see how well she could be an actress. So she did some acting lessons and she said it wasn't for her. And then I said to her, I said, hey, I want to live in San Diego. When I finished my world tour, when I was 23, I said, I'm either going to move to Sydney or San Diego. You did a world tour? When I was 22. I remember I took$72 ,000 and I went around the world to see the world. And when I came back, I said, I'm either going to move to Sydney or San Diego.
35:18Sydney was too far. So I moved to San Diego. And I sat there, I said, hey, listen, since you don't like acting and LA, I've been wanting to go to San Diego for many, many, many years. Would you consider moving down there? Let's raise our kids together down there. And she said, yeah, for sure. So we moved down. We were getting a divorce. And we moved as a divorced couple. We moved to San Diego to raise our kids together. We were already divorced. We were getting divorced. we were getting divorced and um but we want to raise our kids together because we had a commitment to the children and thank god we did we got two amazing sons now 29 and 27 keenan and noah and long story short we moved to san diego um i rented a house on the bluff uh in san diego while i was looking for a home found a home moved uh renovated it for six months moved into the house got the stuff from Indiana to finally come after four or five, four years of being in storage.
36:18One morning, like on the second or third day, I was in my home office that had just been set up. It was just above the tennis court. My son, Kenan, who was five or seven at the time, he comes and the boxes for my vision boards, these six boards were in these boxes sealed for five years, just about. And he sits on the boxes and he's banging them and he uh he says daddy what's in the boxes and i said well honey they're my vision boards and he was five at the time and um he said what's a vision board i said well when i have a vision a goal or a dream that i that i want to achieve i put it on my board he goes a dream like i have at night i said no no no sweetheart and i just said let me just show you so i cut the boxes open with some scissors and a knife and i pulled out the first vision board and had the mercedes-benz that i wanted um that i had achieved up they said daddy that's your car i said yes sweetheart uh and there were some other things on there that i wanted to achieve i remember had like alligator shoes on there materialistic things and then i pulled out the second board and i looked at it and i was a little like confused i was a little dumbfounded and he says he looks up and he goes daddy how did our house get on this board and i started to cry i started to cry because i was standing in the house that i cut out a picture of from dream homes magazine five years earlier amazing and i didn't even know it was the house not a house like it the house the house and i am crying he says daddy why are you crying and i had studied spirituality and i had studied the brain.
38:08I had studied manifestation. I had studied law of attraction because Bob Proctor taught it to me earlier that we became partners. And I was like, everything that I learned about quantum physics, quantum mechanics, neuroscience, biology, physiology, taking action came together in a nanosecond for me. I said, sweetheart, I finally understand how we create, how we mat. I used manifest, which he didn't understand. How we create things from our mind into physical matter like this home. He didn't understand. So I wrote about that story in the book. By the way, the first person I called was Bob Proctor because he taught me about the law of attraction.
38:53And the law of attraction wasn't just about think, believe, and you'll achieve. That's bullshit. The law of attraction is think, believe, get off your ass-eraff, all right, and do the right things in the right order at the right time and you will achieve. The secret movie talked about think, believe, and you'll achieve. Without the, you got to take the right actions. And that's the only issue I had with the secret. But Rhonda read about my story in my New York Times bestselling book. She invited me to be in the secret. I was in a hotel room, sitting in a chair like this with a green screen behind me.
39:28She was there just like you are right now asking me questions i told this story and it made it into the movie we had no idea that she was going to create this masterpiece from it i just did an interview and that was the premise of the book i mean but they did leave out the get off your ass off your ass that's the law of goya i call it right the get off your ass law and the good news is over talk about the get off your ass law because we call it grit we call it other things that people just don't take action is well people do take action i don't agree with that um and inaction is an action i'll explain in just a moment so if you think about the most sophisticated rubik's cube okay the the the one that's like multifaceted um if anybody was committed to learning how to solve it could they maybe not on their own but could they go to youtube yes could they hire a coach yes could they go to a conference for learning how to do the ruby shoe yeah there's like little kids that do in like a minute so for every goal that anybody is watching right now how to exist how to achieve how do you make 10 000 or a million dollars we know how to how to build a business to a million or 10 million.
40:50We know how to. How to lose weight and keep it off, we know how to. Now listen, there's some things we don't know how. Certain cancers, we don't know how to cure them yet. But we figure things out. So when we talk about get off your ass, action is the order of results, right? You have to take action to achieve results. But you also have to do the right things. if you're in front of somebody, if you're in front of a guy or a girl that you really find attractive and you say a stupid thing, they're probably just going to move away from you. But if you know how to approach somebody in a gentle, kind way, maybe a curious way, maybe there's communication skills, there's sales skills, there's money earning skills, there's money management skills, there's debt skills, there's scale skills, there's skills for everything.
41:50And with the right skill and the right action at the right time, we create the effect of having a combination for a safe with$10 million in it. We have to know what the numbers are and we have to put them in the safe in the right order. It's the same as the Rubik's Cube. Just moving the Rubik's Cube in this three by three by three by three Rubik's Cube, there's 43 quintillion possible moves. And that's not a made-up number, real number. 43 quintillion moves if you want to get in shape. There's a lot of different ways to do it. But if you don't have the right formula for you with your circumstance, you may be working really hard doing the wrong things or too much or too little of it.
42:44If you want to make money, I cannot tell you how many students that start out with me that are, let's say my winning game of money program or winning game of business program. When we talk about what are your money making activities, they don't know the difference between a money making activity and a getting ready to make money activity. Now, they're not dumb people. They've just never been trained. I had to learn how to eat what I killed, basically. I had to get on the call. If I didn't get on the call and learn the script, like I could have gotten on the call, but without the right script, I'd probably not be successful.
43:26But I got on the call. I learned the script. I practiced the script. I got better at the script, I got better in sales. When you mastered the script, you crushed it. I crushed it. And then I learned a new script and crushed it. Then I learned to play a different game. Because then I said, okay, how do I get people like me to work for me? And that's where my second mentor came in. And his name is Walter Schneider. And he was the number one franchisor or sub franchisor in the world for any franchise. And I had to pay to play with him. And he taught me the new scripts for leverage. And so, and then I had another mentor, Len McCurdy, who had built a 5 ,500 person company that did a lot of revenue that he got bought out for a lot of money.
44:16Well, he had a script for raising money. He had a script for scaling. He had a script, A process is what I'm talking about, right? And very few people are prepared to learn the process, the systems. And I'm not naturally a process or systems person. I'm a visionary. I like to envision what I want. I don't mind working, but between the work and the vision, there has to be a process. And process and systems give you leverage. and every stage of your growth and development requires an adjustment and a tweaking of what you're doing so you know i'm 63 my goal has been to have an eight pack at 63 i got a six pack at 60 an eight pack is a little bit different than a six pack because there's other muscles i need to work on so i need new exercises different sequences you know to work those muscles similar discipline um similar effort but i had to tweak my strategies right what do you tweak how do you even like what's the difference well the hardest part that i didn't know before of your eight pack is the lower two abs and for those you've got to do a lot of reverse type of crunches reverse type of work and uh six packs and eight packs are not made in the gym so i've had to be meticulous with my diet to get, listen, I do it for like my birthday and then I edge off just so I can challenge myself.
45:48But I do stupid things like changing which hands I brush my teeth with just to get good at change. So I've been brushing my teeth now with my left hand, even though I'm right-handed now for three years because I developed the habit in my left hand. It doesn't want to go back to the right now. So I just keep challenging myself to master being adaptable. I teach my students that the number one skill today is to be an adaptationist. To be an adaptationist, you have to learn the science of change to make it easier because we have an ancient brain in the modern world that does not want change. But if you want to achieve something you haven't achieved yet, you're not doing it in your current comfort zone with your current routines, your current processes and systems.
46:32You have to go outside of your current habits that drive 95 % of all your behaviors and results. and most people don't want to invest, not pay the price, invest in the price of discipline. And Jim Rohn, who many people know, was one of my friends and mentors, one of my favorite, favorite quotes of his, in life, you will either pay the price of discipline, or you will pay the price of regret. Discipline weighs ounces, regret weighs tons. and I made a commitment for my life. I don't want to leave anything on the table. I want to go. I'll fail forward. I'll learn, dust myself off, go again until I die.
47:27And so I want to just be the best version of me. And I know just enough about the human brain that I have so much potential that's unused and untapped. And I want to challenge and push and pull and stretch and get out of my comfort zone and keep breaking that comfort zone. Not just like health, yes. Like I want to ski at 83 and 93. I want to teach my grandchildren, which I promised my sons I would do. You know, when I was on a chairlift with my kids, I told you this the first time we met. I was 243 pounds, borderline diabetic, alcoholic, a sugar addict, fatty liver. And I was skiing with my kids.
48:17And after like an hour of skiing with them, I told them, I'm tired, I'm going inside. And my one son, Noah, who was probably about three or four at the time, he says, oh no, he was 12 at the time, sorry. um he says papa you're always tired he said i thought this was our vacation and you're gonna have fun with us and i said noah like i'm tired like i work hard leave me alone and then i caught myself i caught myself in a story in an excuse to my son who i want to teach how to be the best version of himself i said honey i'm sorry i said you know what you're right i looked at him he was sitting on the chairlift with me.
49:01His brother was sitting next to him, who's a year and a half older. I said, I'm going to make you a promise, but I need a second to calculate something. I was calculating, calculating. I said, okay, here's the promise. You're 12 years old. I just did a calculation in my head that you're probably going to get married sometime between 25 and 30, and maybe you'll have kids two or three years later. So I've got to be ready to teach your children how to ski or snowboard when you are 33, which put me at somewhere between 65 and 70. That day, I got off the chairlift, took my mobile phone, called my trainer in, where was I?
49:45I think in LA maybe or somewhere in maybe Vancouver. And I said, I've made a commitment. I need to get into the best shape of my life. I made my kids a promise that I will teach their children how to board or ski and so i'm committing and making a promise to my children help me keep the promise went home stopped drinking stopped refined sugar hired a personal trainer changed my diet from 20 years ago yeah from 48 not for not 20 years ago from 48 to 50 is like 15 years ago. From 48 to 50, I got into the best shape of my life. Stop alcohol. Everything that I promised, I started to retrain my brain.
50:30Now, it didn't happen in a weekend. The decision happened in a minute. But the implementation took years to master. But I had a vision. I had goals. I had a commitment. And I had my promise to my son. That was the biggest inspiration right there. Yeah. And now you're in the shape that you need to be in. Now I can teach. I can run circles around my kids now. Really? Yeah. Are they in great shape like you? They're in great shape. They learn from the best. We made a deal. I get you into great shape when your kids, they both played lacrosse and football, and you keep me in great shape when I'm an older man.
51:17Did you play basketball professionally? No, no, no. I played basketball in high school. I wanted to. That was my dream. I wanted to play professionally, but I wasn't even remotely good enough. I mean, I thought I was good enough because I was good in my area. My area, right, the community center was my world. I could dunk at 15 and I could jump and I could shoot and I was very, very good in my area. Take me out of my area? I wouldn't have made it as a ball boy, you know, in most of the teams. So, man, it's fascinating. Like, the story's fascinating. The way you became who you are, the struggle and the triumph.
52:01Now, how does one implement a lot of this strategy now if they're going through a hardship? Sure. Download the app? Oh, yeah. It's like, what's the steps that one can take right now to immediately implement this sort of manifestation of mind growth? So first and foremost, if you're struggling or stuck or you're going through a hard time, first understand it's temporary as long as you shift and change. So you cannot focus on what is right now. Like, think about this. when you um let's say go get an x-ray right a radiologist looks at the x-ray and shows you you know a picture of usually let's say you go because you need to see an x-ray of something of something that's happened because of the past so you're seeing an image of now but this now wasn't created because of this moment in time right so if you've fractured a rib or you broke a bone.
53:03It's not because of something happened this second. It happened during maybe a game or during an accident. So any circumstance now is because of something in the past. Would you agree the effect of now is because of something in the past? Maybe it was a thought process, the wrong strategy, the wrong environment, the wrong people, the wrong beliefs, the wrong habits. you're too scared not scared enough so everything that we're looking at now is an effect we live in a world of effects now you'd never go to a mirror right and try to wipe off you know your hair on your face if you're a man by razor blading the mirror you'd have to shave your face you wouldn't like try to change your hair in the mirror.
53:55You'd cut your hair or brush your hair. So any result right now is because of the past. Don't give it any energy if it's not what you want. Rather, be aware of what the challenge is. And this is regardless of what level you've achieved in success or in your life in any area. Whatever is now is now because of the past. So now we want going to use our prefrontal cortex, our left prefrontal cortex specifically, what I call the Einstein part of the brain, the imagination, the deductive reasoning part of the brain. Do I want this or that? How come this? How come that? And then we say, okay, great. I want this.
54:35This is what I want in a day, a week, a month, a year. And you have to be realistic because you're not going to lose 30 pounds in one day if you've been fat for the last 10 years, unless you go get some surgery done to remove it. So, but if you want to make more money, we want to have better relationship, we want to be healthier, we want to be whatever, a different result. And we say, okay, here's the vision. What are some goals that I could set that are realistic for me to get off of repeating the same patterns and moving towards the result I want? Here's an example. How many people can jog a marathon right now?
55:10Could you jog a marathon right now? No, neither could I'm in great shape. I cannot jog a marathon right now. But if we decided let's jog a marathon together a year from now, we're going to raise our hands in victory. All right. Crossing the finish line together. Four hours, five hours, six hours. Who cares? But we're going to do a marathon. Would you agree that if we said, okay, Joe, today, let's go for a five minute walk. You in? Let's go. Let's research. What should we eat? How much fat? How much carbohydrate? Complex carbohydrate? What do we stay off of? What do we need to add to our diet? How many calories do we need?
55:44When should we eat? We can figure that out, right? Of course. We can figure out how much exercise to do based on our skill level right now and what shape we're in, right? It might be we start off with five minutes a day of walking. Then we might start a little jog for a quarter of a mile or half a mile. Then we might do a mile, then three miles and five miles. Could we learn our sleep patterns of how much rest we need? Could we learn when should we get a massage? could we learn everything we need to learn to jog safely a marathon a year from now of course of course so first we start off with the decision that we want to do it and we set the vision for crossing the finish line then we set some goals in one month i'll be able to run one mile in three months i'll be able to run three miles in six months i'll get up to six miles in nine months i'll be able to do 10 miles in 10 months i'll be able to do 12 and 16 months by race day i could do 26 we can chart that path then i say well what would you need to believe in order to do well i need to believe i can do it right i need to believe that that i'm not going to get injured i need to believe that then what habits would you need to create what would you need to stop what would you need to start so i don't care what your trauma is from the past there's ways to overcome trauma i don't care what uh what failures you've had what did you learn the past does not equal the future so it doesn't matter what has happened or is happening right now you have a hundred billion dollar brain a bio computer that rivals any computer on the planet right now.
57:27So let's start using it on solutions. Let's start using it on being resourceful in the absence of resources. Let's start using it on coming up with how can I versus all the reasons why I can't. Let's start using it to learn how to manage my self-talk so it's empowering, positive, constructive, building me up. Let's start using it in a way to activate the right emotions, which is the energy in motion in my body that moves me towards my goals and dreams instead of holds me hostage, keeping me stuck in my current patterns and sometimes in a retroactive pattern getting worse. So some of our habits, if we have the wrong dietary habits and the wrong eating patterns, it gets worse.
58:17It doesn't get better. So everybody who's watching or listening, knows let's say you're on a health train right now let's say you're on a money train you're on a business train you're on a relationship train are you on the right train are you on the right track and do you like the destination it's going to if the answer is uh-oh get the fuck off the train and let's reverse course and get on the right train sorry for swearing no you can swear but you understand absolutely it's like it's like we're not a damn tree we can change but stop long enough to be truthful with yourself and and do a true north where am i really on a scale of one to ten where am i in my spiritual health and well-being if you want to measure that which i do where am i my emotional health and well-being measured scale one to ten and don't be afraid of the answer it's uh it's like an x-ray where am i on a scale of 10, you know, on my mindset, my mental well-being.
59:20Where am I in a physical? Where am I in a relationship? Where am I in a career? Where am I in business? Where am I financially? Just write zero to 10. Zero is like it's horrific, sucks. It's like nothing. Some people might be negative in some areas. And then say, where would I like to be in six months? Just six months. Can't go that far. Great. Where would I like to be in three months? Where would I like to be a month from now like if i can make a few changes where could i be in a month if i was committed i'm going to go back to where we started success is reserved for those who are committed not interested because people are interested will just come up with their stories and reasons and excuses it's not the right time i don't have enough money it's too hot it's too cold i live in this place i live in that place because of my ethnicity or because of like stop it excuse Stop it.
1:00:12They have an inflammation disease of most people. It's called excusitis. I like that. You should coin that. It was coined by other people. I've been using it for probably 20 years. And then the drug of choice for many people. Do you know what that one is? No. Hopium. Hopium. I hope it gets better. I hope. Hope is great. Hope is great. It gives you something to look forward to. It doesn't disappoint. With hope, you know, use the law of Goya, is get off your ass-raff and do something towards what you want to achieve. Get off your ass-raff. Is that your coin term? Yeah, get off your ass-raff because it's my last name.
1:00:54Yeah, but that's a great one. But Goya, the law of Goya, I give all credit to that, to Tommy Hopkins, 1982 circa or 1985 circa. Just get off your ass or get off your ass. Yeah, it was the Goya, law of Goya. Now, when the secret came out, right, you know, if you spell the word attraction, the law of attraction, the last six letters are action. But I don't agree with just action. Right. I've come to, I guess, get wise. There's a lot of people moving their feet, saying and doing the wrong things. And they confuse activity with productivity. and so I have learned like for anything that I want to do now I mean seriously I seek out either the best expert in the world or now my new favorite expert I go to Mr.
1:01:50ChatGPT and I say act as my expert in you know hangnails I don't care hangnails investing in Bitcoin I just I use a tool that we've never had yeah I love this new this new era a lot for writing you know we teach an AI AI course a couple times a month to all of our winning game of business coaching students who are building their small businesses and so we're using AI to accelerate productivity 5x 10x 20x to do a lot of the heavy lifting yeah we use so much AI here yeah you can have you know 20 employees for you for$20 a month by setting up your my GPTs, you know, for the different things that you need.
1:02:34It's crazy. Now, you know, you've created so much success. You like, how are you instilling this same level of mindset into your children? I don't. My children have seen me become who I am. My children have been introduced to the books, the mentors sitting on my lap in meetings, in boardrooms, attending my events, hearing me during my keynotes or training. They have created, you know, customized inner sizes for themselves. They set goals. They have their own vision boards just because they want to. You want to hear a funny, funny story. You'll all love this story. When The Secret came out, my story about the vision board, a lot of people liked it.
1:03:29And I've been teaching my children. We've done vision boards for five years old, six years old, seven years old. They do it some years. They didn't want to do it other years. Don't force them to do anything. And one year, like a year after the secret came out my son noah who again was uh 2007 you know 15 years ago or so uh he's 27 now so he's 12 13 so he comes home uh he used to call me papa and now he calls me pops papa papa i said what honey he says uh can we do a vision board this weekend i said well yeah of course i go like why do you want to do this this week he says oh jack's mother says they work he was at his friend's house his mother who saw the movie put a vision board together told her son that vision boards work and my son comes home telling me he wants to put a vision board together because jack's mother told him to see it's always a third party validation it's all right um they've listen they they know what i'm into uh what was really interesting kids could use vision boards you think little children of course why not why wouldn't you want to activate that imagination center an occipital lobe and then teach them what do you need to believe to achieve these goals what do you how would you need to think how would you overcome problems how did you solve you know the issues that are going to come between here and this bike or the here and this this so what would go on a child's vision board or whatever they want why not do it for health and and do it if they if they want to like when my kids wanted something when when they were growing up my kids say hey daddy can we get a bike of course you can which half do you want to pay for the front half or the back half i would give him whatever you want a ferrari son sure i'll pay for half of it but you have to earn the other half so they just go they print pictures they put it on there whatever they want whatever they want like why would you limit a child's perfect imagination we learn we unlearn to imagine and that's one of the most powerful parts of our brain we are born with a perfect imagination and then it's like hey stop daydreaming stop doing that come back here oh oh or say you know i have this vision i have this goal it's like come on get back to back to what you're doing are we dumb kids down we have us adults have to re-fire to rewire our brains we have to tap into our childhood now.
1:06:03And children, we just have to help them make up their minds. If you asked either one of my sons, what do you think you could achieve? Both of my sons would answer whatever I put my mind to and commit to. Period. You want to travel the world? Of course I could. You want to make a million dollars in a month? Of course I could. Now you choose, but then back up your choices, what would you need to believe? What would you need? What skill would you need? Whose help would you need? What habits would you need? What would your plan be? What would your behavior need to be like? What would you do when you had obstacles?
1:06:44For those listening right now, how would they start with a vision board? What would you instruct them to do to get started setting up a vision board? I like to say, if you could wave a magic wand and you could have the health that you wanted, what would it look like? What would your body look like? How much energy would you have? How many hours would you sleep? What would your stress level be? If you could manage your emotions, which you can, if you could focus your mindset, if you could release your disempowering negative self-talk or self-deprecating talk, what would that be like how would you feel put it on a vision board get images of you and your best self if you could drive any car you wanted to because maybe cars are important to you could fly business class or first class instead of coach if you could travel the different places in the world cut pictures of it put it down if you could bless you if you could uh earn ten thousand dollars a day or a month or a year, put it down.
1:07:52So see it. Activate one of the biggest parts of your brain called the occipital lobe. See it. And so do it for health, for wealth, for relationship, for career, for business, for charity, for fun, for experiences, right? Those are all the things that make up our life or my life anyway. And I have goals and visions for every one of those area for my children, how I want to be with them for my wife, for my friends, for my contribution to the world. I know what it looks like. And so you set off the vision and the vision is something that you see yourself experiencing, doing, having, being sometime in the future.
1:08:34And then we back off and say, okay, now let's set some goals on our way to there. so you and i are in southern california right now if you and i said want to go to new york for the weekend yeah that's the goal we would then say okay um are we going by car uh airplane train are we going to ride there by bike we're going to shoot like how are we going to go there right so the how always comes after the what so we want to go to new york we'll have a great time we'll to see some plays. We want to go to Broadway. We want to eat some killer restaurants. We want, we want to go walk Central Park. We want to go see, you know, whatever we want to do.
1:09:12That's kind of like the vision. So you get all the emotions of the vision. And we might put a picture of New York City on there and the different places we want to go see and the different restaurants we want to go see. Right. And then we say, great. When do we want to go to New York? We want that to be, you know, this year, next year, the year after sometime in the future. and then we come back to today to this moment and all we do is we map a chart if you and i want to go to new york right now we want to drive we hop into your car or my car and um all we need to do is put it in a gps but let's say the gps isn't working we know it's east we know new york from here is east so we can actually get in the car right and we can use our mobile phone or our car navigation system and say go east and then we go let's say 10 miles east we can actually open our window and say to somebody hey everyone um can you just point me east so i can keep going going to new york can you give me the the road map they go oh get on highway 5 take that for about 200 miles thank you get on there go 200 miles 200 miles from i guess what we do stop at a gas station yes hey i'm going to new york uh can you just point me in the right direction to show me a map on the highway too many people think that because they want to go x and they don't have the map they can't go and make progress towards that like says whom if you go in your car and it's pitch black at night and you go 100 yards you can see 100 yards further once you get to the 100 yards so all we have to do is chunk it into pieces that we can see ourselves taking Now, for somebody who's experienced, they could say, we want to put, you know, a man on the moon and bring him back to Earth.
1:11:00Or somebody says, I want to put, you know, I want to colonize Mars. I don't know how to do it, but we can figure it out. But for somebody who's not used to having big goals and visions, we have to bring it back to bite-sizable chunks to reduce the cognitive stress that not having the knowledge and skills and the strategies creates. In the absence, if you remember, there's only four things hold us back. The fourth one is my lack of knowledge and skills creates stress because the demand is exceeding my capacity right now. right stress happens when demand exceeds capacity let's reduce the demand to what is what is your capacity can you get from here to there i could do that good go over there when you get there we'll talk about the next step so we break everything down into doable chunks can you get this done today yes start with that a lot of people that enter into my coaching programs some have some My top student has built a billion dollar a year revenue company.
1:12:06But I have plenty of students that are a million a year or 100 ,000 a year. But some of them are 20 ,000 a year. And they don't know how to achieve 100 ,000 right now. So we say, great. Let's help you plan for what that lifestyle is like. Let's then help you develop what would you need to believe. What would your self-image and identity need to be to earn 100 ,000 or 250 ,000 or 500 ,000? in order for you to be in the best shape of your life like what does that look like let's start with the vision then we could back up into now what do we want to do today all we need to focus on is today you don't want to focus on today what can we do in the next hour but you want to get in shape so you can run a marathon a year from now can you can you get up and down with me like five times great let's just do that great you just you just built your self-trust muscle you just built your confidence muscle.
1:12:59You just released dopamine. If we do it together and we shared with other people, we've released serotonin. We've released oxytocin in the brain, all the bonding neurochemicals. And we have a motive to like do it again. So a big goal is always broken down into smaller goals. And we always meet the goal where we are. And then we just, we make progress. And when we're building habits, I teach this concept of first you build the habit, then the habit will build you. Because habits control 95 % of our daily thoughts, emotions, and behaviors. So we start off with small habits that are simple and easy.
1:13:41And then we learn complexity afterwards, like building blocks. So simple and easy first to get going. when we get momentum we can add complexity now uh john i got a couple last questions i'd like to close the show with it's uh what's a personal goal that you have for yourself this is right in line with what we're talking about yeah a family goal that you have yeah and a goal for the business and there's multiple there's neurogym there's inner size and i know you have big goals for inner size. I do. So for inner size, I want a million people inner sizing daily on the inner size app. My goal for that is to be the number one mindset coaching and mental fitness training app that's powered by AI and humans.
1:14:33It's not just AI, AI to help with some of the stuff that AI can do. but I love to learn face-to-face with people or on podcasts or you know live so AI plus so there's a lot more to inner size than just like mindset there's so much to it there's the mindset piece there's the experts in there I want to like now that you're here I'm gonna have you walk me through like what are your favorite parts of the app just because like yeah I'm just like I go in there and I just click like what do you want to improve I'm like I just checked every box well Well, we have health, wealth, relationship, career, business.
1:15:07And we all need improvement in all of them. So I just checked every box. Then it just fed me so much content. I'm like, where do I start? Yeah. Well, it has a start here button as well. But I'll show you that. My life has been around seeing how I can be the best version of me in every area of my life. Spiritual, emotional, mental, physical, financial. And then contribution and then fun and experiences as well. so on the business front I want you know Neurogym to be the leader in the world in neuro fitness inner size is what we are giving the world to inner size to strengthen what I call your neuro muscles so your belief in yourself your self-esteem your self-worth your self-image your belief that you can do it your confidence your certainty neuro muscles managing fear and turning fear into fuel, learning how to upgrade your knowledge and skills, learning how to release disempowering habits and create and reinforce new ones because we are creatures of habit.
1:16:08So those are all the things that I want the Innercise app and Neurogym to do. That ties deeply into my personal goal is to unequivocally know that I am using my life in a way that I am proud of, God is proud of, that leaves a mark for other people to enrich their lives, to honor and respect life. I mean, like I think life is such a gift. It's like it blows my mind how how spectacular. The other night my son Noah was at our home. We have dinner every Wednesday night together and he was at my house. Oh I'm sorry. On Sunday we went for a hike and we were we were standing at the top of Torrey Pines and he puts his arm around me and I noticed the sun was hitting the back of my head and I was looking out at the ocean and he's just holding me he's about six foot three uh just a beautiful young man uh he's holding me the sun is hitting my head i'm looking at the ocean above where i was just looking up there the moon was there and i was just thinking noah you know what one of my favorite things in the world is he goes yeah papa i know the moon is there the sun is behind you on your head and we're on this rock spinning in this orbital circuit around the sun and the magic of it all we're spinning at dizzying speeds in this elliptical orbit 17 000 miles an hour and i am standing there with my son looking at the ocean we're not being thrown off of this planet because the moon and its gravitational pull on the earth and i am alive breathing hydrogen oxygen nitrogen and carbon in this thing called air that's giving me life.
1:18:12That ocean is the water that is evaporating, desalinating, and I drink it to sustain my life. That's a miracle. I'm a miracle. You're a miracle. Everybody listening and watching is a miracle. So appreciating that and making sure I don't squander my life. Part two. I want to contribute in as many ways as possible to people's lives, to animals, to our environment, to our ecosystem while I'm alive. That's just something I cannot fathom being on my deathbed thinking I wasted life. I just can't I can't imagine how sad I would be and so every day I want to trade my life for what my life is worthy of and that's to do the very best I can for me to set an example like I said earlier I was a sugar addict I was an alcoholic I was 243 pounds I've been broke um uh i've had a lot of challenges in my life i was involved in a street gang doing illegal stuff and i know that my lessons were to teach me about me so that ai could be the best version of me for me not for my mother father sister brother wife kids for me and as a result of that they may see something in themselves that will spark, okay, a motive for action.
1:19:55And as a result of that, they will achieve a result that will have a ripple effect in other people's lives. So I've been given some gifts of taking complex stuff and synthesizing it so that I can understand it, because that's what I needed, and then teach it and share it with people. But then to create the the programs, products, services, coaching to lift people up and to show them how spectacular they are in a totally humble way. Uh, if I can accomplish those things while I'm alive, Oh man, that's like, wow. For me, that's my big. Wow. Let's go. You're going to, you're doing it. That's my wow.
1:20:37Now, my final question, when you're in front of the pearly gates, what do you think God's going to tell you? I love you. I love that. What a great closure. What a great answer. I love you. You've done great work. Thank you. You've done great work. You continue to inspire. I'm a fan. Thank you. I hope you've gained more fans today. I hope so, too. I hope many are inspired to create vision boards, to improve their life, to try to get a six-pack by 63. You got a lot of time if you're 19. 19's easy. Yeah. 19, you should all have it. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm saying from 19 to 63, you have plenty of time to get a 60.
1:21:19I'm just kidding. I've had plenty of times. I was in shape, out of shape, in shape, out of shape, in shape, out of shape. And as you get older. It's just much more important. Yeah, you know, it's important for people in their 50s and 60s to maintain muscle mass, which usually goes in a retroactive pattern and we deplete muscle, bone density. So there's a lot of things that are important. But it also, you know, health, energy, vitality is important to my life because of how I want to live it. I really don't care how old I get. I just care what's the quality of my life as I age. I want to have a life that I'm living, not existing in.
1:22:06You know, I saw both my mother and father in their 70s, 80s and 90s, like, you know, vegetates in front of the television. and not be able to be very mobile. And like they showed me exactly what I do not want. And I'll do my very best to just do what's best for me, for what I'm proud of, for what makes me feel good. And if I inspire other people along the way, then wonderful. If I don't, that's okay too. I'm doing it for me. You know what's really interesting is my wife has worked out a lot when we were younger. She's 53, I'm 63. and she's gotten into Pilates and now she's gotten into into water aerobics and she has she walks with two canes she had severe scoliosis when she was a little girl and had major back surgery five years ago where they put two rods and eight screws in her back but she started exercising working out again and eating great and she feels and looks phenomenal and she's an inspiration to a lot of people that you know she's friends with so you know my little spark might light her little spark which lights other people's sparks and if we lift each other up as we climb if we don't pretend that everything's all great all the time because it's not it's called life but it's what we do during the times that they're great and we lift other people up and we allow other people to lift us up when we need help but also that we lift ourselves up and we participate in the rescue that's what inspires people and there's too many things that are expiring us too fast right now and so i think we need to do more things to inspire us and still spirit into us and the inner size app is one of those things that i want to give it to the world as a gift and um and there is a monthly or a yearly uh investment to make in that but i'm going to have thousands and thousands of different inner sizes for athletes, for moms, for postpartum, for kindergarten kids, for fear of ladybugs or fear of flying or fear of success or fear of failing.
1:24:15They're all going to be in there. There's already 550 of them in there now. And so that's, that's my, that's the work I want to give the world. Yeah. Well, there you go. Thank you, John. Thanks for coming on the show. It's been a blessing and an honor to have you. John Astroff, make sure you subscribe to Inner size check him out he is an absolute legend thank you all right thank you john thank you john awesome awesome show today thank you
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