In short
How sport—especially football and athletics—helps Indian girls resist child marriage and discrimination, and gives them an identity and path to independence.
Guests/backgrounds
The episode is reported by Divya Arya (Delhi-based). Key featured women include Munna (Rajasthan, married at 14; later fights marriage pressure), her mother Lali (child bride), Padma Joshi (MJAS women’s rights org; leads Football for Freedom), Hanifa Bain (Siddhi community, Gujarat; former runner; now trains girls), Muskan (Siddhi runner; trains via state sponsorship), and Shaheen Darjada (Gujarat; judo champion; Asian Junior gold; training in Ahmedabad).
Key claims
Child marriage persists despite illegality because families avoid prosecution and witnesses won’t come forward. Sport can enable girls to step out, learn rights, and access jobs/schemes, but financial independence remains a risk.
Notable examples
Munna’s Willits team wearing shorts and playing despite village backlash; Hanifa Bain training barefoot girls in an abandoned mill; Shaheen’s hero welcome and medal shelf; Nisha refusing “touch their feet” and football as “love.”
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction to the Podcast
0:31 to 1:37
Host Divya Arya introduces the topic of child marriage in India and its impact.
“We debate about food, deep dish, tavern style, who's got the best beef.”
Meet Munna and Lali
1:37 to 2:42
Divya shares the story of Munna and her mother Lali, highlighting their struggles.
“And I've been traveling around the country meeting young girls who were married in childhood or those who are facing discrimination and isolation because they come from certain minority communities.”
Child Marriage in Rajasthan
2:42 to 3:39
Discussion on the prevalence of child marriage in Rajasthan and its consequences.
“Lali and I are the same age, but the toll on her of a tough life is evident.”
Cultural Pressures of Marriage
3:39 to 4:47
Exploration of cultural beliefs around early marriage and parental pressures.
“They say that if girls step out of their homes, they will be exposed to bad influences and run away with boys.”
Munna's Fight Against Early Marriage
4:47 to 6:14
Munna's rejection of child marriage and her determination to play football.
“The rest is up to God Did she ever say to you She didn't want to be a child bride?”
The Role of Football
6:14 to 7:09
How football serves as a tool for empowerment and change for young girls.
“The Indian women's first World Cup victory last year was celebrated across the country with the players lauded as heroes.”
Football for Freedom Project
7:09 to 9:10
Introduction to Padma Joshi and the Football for Freedom initiative.
“We had never thought we'll be able to go out and play and wear shorts.”
Impact of Football on Lives
9:10 to 10:40
The transformative impact of football on girls' lives and community dynamics.
“Munna's Willits football team is clad in bright yellow jerseys, facing their neighbouring village football team in bright green.”
Challenges Faced by Minority Communities
10:40 to 14:00
The struggles of girls from minority communities in pursuing sports.
“opening the possibility of some independence and a different life.”
Hanifa's Journey and Community Impact
14:00 to 17:10
Explore Hanifa Benh's story and how she uplifts young girls in her community through sports.
“It promised her the chance to change her life.”
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Shaheen's Judo Triumph
17:36 to 21:10
Discover Shaheen Darjada's journey from her village to becoming a judo champion.
“He's widely recognised as one of the greatest footballers in history.”
Challenges and Aspirations of Young Women
21:10 to 25:06
Understand the social pressures faced by young women like Munna and Nisha in pursuing sports.
“Back in the village in Rajasthan, Munna shows me trophies she's won at local tournaments.”
Celebrating Wins and Driving Change
25:06 to 28:00
Learn how public celebrations of girls' achievements can inspire further change in their communities.
“of household chores, cooking, washing, cleaning.”
Celebrating Women's Achievements in Sports
28:00 to 30:23
Learn about the impact of sports on women's empowerment and community recognition.
“that those from Siddhi community can also march ahead.”
Transcript
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1:33Thank you for downloading the Crossing Continents podcast. I'm Divya Arya and I'm based in Delhi, India. And I've been traveling around the country meeting young girls who were married in childhood or those who are facing discrimination and isolation because they come from certain minority communities. And all of them surprised me because they found a way to change their lives and make an identity via an unusual route. This is what they told me.
2:06It's a familiar scene of daily drudgery that greets me when I reach 19-year-old Munna's house. She and her mother Lali toiling away, drawing water from the well, washing clothes, as Munna's father rests inside. Once Lali is done here, she will walk for a mile to the nearby field to work as a farm labourer.
2:32Women in this village in the Indian state of Rajasthan, a nine-hour drive from the country's capital Delhi, are mostly illiterate and they are married off early. Lali and I are the same age, but the toll on her of a tough life is evident. Lali says everything changed when she became a child bride.
2:59It made life so difficult, bringing up children, taking care of the husband and daily chores. And if you get a husband who is alcoholic, then it's very difficult to run the household. But what happened to her was said to be repeated when Lali decided to get Munna and her elder sister married early too.
3:28Though illegal, child marriage is widely practiced in India, especially here in Rajasthan, in the northwest of the country. UNICEF's latest estimate is that 216 million girls and women in India today have been married before they turned 18. Munna was only 14 when she was told she would be a child bride My sister was 16 and I was 14 years old in 2020 when she was married off When the family came to see her, my mother also showed me to them And offered that I be married to the groom's younger brother Munna's mother Lali was only 15 when she was married So why did she marry off her eldest daughter in childhood Even if she knew, it's illegal.
4:21They say that if girls step out of their homes, they will be exposed to bad influences and run away with boys. We do the marriage quietly. We don't print a wedding invitation or put up a tent. But the difficulties you faced with early pregnancies, your eldest daughter would face them too. No, she is married into a good family The rest is up to God Did she ever say to you She didn't want to be a child bride? No, you can't say no to parents in our society Once we have decided their match They cannot say no Except Munna, unlike her elder sister Did say no When they told me you will be married too.
5:13I started crying. I said I don't want to marry right now. I am in grade 9. I want to study. In Rajasthan, many families exchange their daughters to be brides as part of the custom of child marriage. Ironically, this helped Munna. My parents wanted a bride for my brother in exchange. But that family didn't have a girl. They pleaded that I be married to their younger son And promised they will give a bride in exchange When a girl is born in the family But my mother refused She said, what if you don't have a girl? And then our son remains unmarried Munna had a lucky escape But it must have felt like a noose tightening Before she finally found a way to free herself For her, it was via an unusual route Football
6:10In India, it's cricket that's always been a favourite. The Indian women's first World Cup victory last year was celebrated across the country with the players lauded as heroes.
6:28I'm Divya Arya and in this week's Crossing Continents, I'm looking at how sport at all levels is changing the lives of some young women. helping them fight child marriage and discrimination.
6:47I didn't know anything about football. We were told it is played by using the feed. So that's what we did. We were hitting the ball here and there, feeling scared. Then our clothes would get in the way. We couldn't even run properly. So we would lift our clothes and try and run with the ball. But there were battles ahead First, she had to fight just to be allowed to play football Then, to wear shorts on the field And then, to travel out of the village to take part in tournaments
7:23For the first two-three days, village women would point to us and say Look at those girls, exposing their legs Then we started ignoring them and decided, we won't care and continued wearing shorts. How does it feel now? It feels great. We had never thought we'll be able to go out and play and wear shorts. It's been life-changing for us.
7:57But how could this sport stop child marriage or help those young girls who are already child brides. It's one thing to know of it and it's another thing to see pictures of such small children.
8:16Padma Joshi is showing me an album that has pictures of young girls in wedding finery performing Hindu marriage rituals. Padma was the one to introduce football to Munna and to 800 other girls across 13 villages in Rajasthan over the past decade. She has been leading the Football for Freedom project at MJAS, a women's rights organisation. When we started talking to parents, we never said that we are introducing football to stop child marriage. We said the sport will take girls forward. They will be able to get government jobs that are allocated to sportsperson. That was our approach. But when we worked with the girls and they learnt about their rights, about the country's constitution, the ill effects of child marriage, and because girls were stepping out, they were able to raise their voices.
9:17Munna's Willits football team is clad in bright yellow jerseys, facing their neighbouring village football team in bright green. Everybody's wearing black shorts, black socks, proper shoes. The picture is a stark contrast from how I saw them and their mothers in their villages. The mothers wear traditional saris, cover their heads, in fact cover their faces when in the presence of men in public. And these girls, being guided by two male coaches, are playing as if without a care in the world, with complete abandon. At half time, I asked the girls if they would stand in a straight line. This is Munna's village football team and I want to find out how many of the girls here were forced into early marriage and I'll ask them to step up.
10:06Munna, how many girls have to do the hair? Just one step ahead. That's 9 out of 12. Just Munna, her sister and one other player were able to resist the pressure to marry early. So it's incredible that all of these girls are here on the field and have been able to fight for that right.
10:28Even though football hasn't been able to prevent all these girls from marrying, a sea change has been achieved, with even child brides being able to train in football, opening the possibility of some independence and a different life. Munna's fight back now extended to her younger sister. who made it to the Rajasthan state football team. But just as all this was happening, the old ghost came back to haunt Munna again. A proposal for a three-way bride exchange involving her and her niece, who was just a few months old.
11:09My eldest sister has had a baby daughter, and her in-laws are putting pressure for my marriage again. They want to marry this baby girl into another family, get a girl from that family for my brother and marry me to their younger son to complete the exchange.
11:33It's like life finds a new path, a rebellion via sport, but the threat of breaks being applied is constant. Who decides who gets to play? Where can champions come from? As Munna battles this widespread but illegal practice of child marriage, hidden in a remote part of Western India, girls from a minority community have their own challenges. And they are trying to find their way out via sport. Ekdo! Ekdo! Ekdo! Ekdo! Ekdo! Team! Team! Hanifa Bain belongs to the Siddhi community in the state of Gujarat. The Siddhis are an ethnic tribe of African origin that was brought to India centuries earlier, mostly as slave labour.
12:21In 1991, when Hanifa Bain was 10 years old, just like the girls she's training now, she was spotted under the government's Special Area Games programme to develop sporting talent amongst tribal people in remote areas. It was a golden opportunity for a girl from the Siddhi community. Slavery had been abolished, but they still faced stigma and discrimination.
12:53Some would say they have come from Africa. They're African. Others would say they are from West Indies. Earlier, we wouldn't even be allowed to drink water from other people's homes. they would give it to us like this, in a bowl, from a distance. That's how people from dominant communities would give us water. I have seen those days too.
13:20The discrimination meant the tribe shrank inwards, settling into remote forested areas in two states, Karnataka in the south and here in Gujarat in the west. Even as social attitudes changed and the government brought in various programs for them, the around 20 ,000 members of the Siddhi community in India remained reclusive. As I walk around their impoverished neighborhood of small houses with open drains and children scampering around, their distinct features, hair and skin color, are unmissable. It's a community that is invisible to most in the country. Seeing it in ghettos, in villages and small towns Living in poverty with lack of education And minimal exposure to the opportunities and world outside For children here, sports is not just about trophies and medals It's playing to be seen I had 3 ,000 metres in that I had my first number Hanifa Benh tells me she went on to win a gold medal in long-distance running at the regional school games back in 1991.
14:31It promised her the chance to change her life. But the dream was cut short. Hanifa Ben's father and brother had an accident at work, and she had to come back home.
14:46I was never able to return. Soon I was married and had kids. I thought about the children in my community and how their lives were exactly like mine used to be, living in poverty. But I knew how to uplift them and take them forward. So I decided to do that and realize my dream this way.
15:10This is as far as you can imagine from a sports field. It's an abandoned mill compound. Part of it has grass in it and most of it is just plain surface. There's garbage all around and on the edges of the compound there are some makeshift huts in which families are living. And in the middle of it all, Hanifa Ben is leading these 15, 10, 12 year old girls in red t-shirts and shorts. None of them have shoes, most of them are wearing slippers. Some are running barefoot. Hanifa Bain is not a qualified sports coach. What she is doing is helping these girls discover their potential and guide them to government schemes, selection camps, opportunities to shape a sportsperson's career.
16:04The result is athletes like Muskan. Hanifa Bain drives Muskan into the compound on her scooter. Muskan has brought her latest medal in long-distance running to show me. She stays in a hostel now and trains at a professional academy with the help of state sponsorship. But her sports journey began here. I used to train barefoot here. Earlier this place was even more dirty. We used to sweep it to make it usable. Muskan's parents are fruit vendors. And she says, without the guidance here, she couldn't have dared to aim any higher.
16:50When I went outside, I thought I can also do something. There is nothing in the village here. Only when we see the world outside, we get motivated to do better. And that motivation is what led another Siddhi girl to aim higher than ever before. This is summer at its peak. Whole Foods Market Summer Fruit Fest is your invitation to eat the season. Fresh, organic, and bursting with flavor. Start your day with peaches and organic blueberries and yogurt. Build a grazing board with fresh fruit, prosciutto, and artisanal cheese. Then fire up the grill with no antibiotics ever proteins and fresh produce.
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18:26Shaheen Darjada is a judo champion. In September 2025, she created history for her community and for her country. Competing in the 57kg category, she became the first Indian, man or woman, to win a gold medal at the Asian Junior Judo Championship in Jakarta, Indonesia.
18:52I meet her when she's back in India. The 20-year-old is quietly spoken when off the judo mat. I felt very proud.
19:08Judo has taken her from a small village in Gujarat to this state-of-the-art training academy in Ahmedabad, a city of over 5 million people. But it was a journey she was hesitant to make.
19:27I prefer to stay in my village. I didn't even want to come to the hostel for training. I'd keep crying. Then my parents explained that it would be good for me and help me move forward.
19:46Shaheen's coach Lal explains that it's hard for these young girls to assimilate with people from other communities. To help them adjust, they have brought in an additional coach from the Siddhi community. Lal believes Siddhi athletes have a lot of potential and wants to make every effort to spot them young.
20:07We scout talent from small towns and villages, children of the ages 11, 12, 13, to identify the sports they are suitable for. If they're good in running, then athletics. If they have power and speed, then we train them in judo. One, two, three. The Asian Championship win helped Judoka Shaheen qualify for the World Championships juniors to be held in Lima in Peru. She has a little over a month to prepare. I ask her coach if that's enough. The World Championship is not easy. The atmosphere is different there. Unlike that at the Junior Asian Championship, The crowd may be much larger and a higher level of opponents.
20:55But we are fully ready for that and have already analysed the athletes that she will face and the way she needs to fight them. But Shaheen is aiming for something more than a medal. I want to make my own identity. So people say they want to become like Shaheen.
21:21Back in the village in Rajasthan, Munna shows me trophies she's won at local tournaments. She didn't rise to the sporting heights Shaheen has achieved. But being a football player helped her forge an identity and ward off the pressure to marry early. And it's now helping her youngest sister, 15-year-old Nisha, to fight back.
21:47One day, I was going to play after finishing the household work And Papa said, is your lover waiting there? I replied, there is no lover I am going to play football That is my love With her close-cropped hair, Nisha's rebellion literally stares you in the face Girls just don't do that here Nisha says she feels emboldened by her sister. Despite these small wins, every day continues to feel like a fresh fight, as the pressure to marry is not easing. Once a family came when we were playing. They saw both of us. They took a picture of my sister and they took me home. My mother asked me to touch their feet as a mark of respect.
22:38I refused and said I will consider doing it after marriage. So did the family say anything? They said, is this a boy or a girl? We want a girl, not a boy. They said this and left. Nisha nods in the affirmative. I wonder why these have to be constant personal fights for these girls.
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23:07So I go to meet Anjali Sharma, the district's government officer responsible for the welfare of children. I ask her why people are not deterred, despite a law clearly setting out punishments for child marriage.
23:24The law says that every person who has helped in a marriage should be punished, even the person who prints the wedding invitations. But that does not happen, because no one will come forward as a witness. It becomes very difficult to get a conviction, because we need to go and stop the marriage as soon as we know about it. But the family will then often move the marriage to a date before or after the one we are expecting. It's clear then that fear of prosecution is not working on its own. Padma Joshi of the women's rights organization MJAS believes it needs to be accompanied by a change of attitude in local communities and more support from government institutions.
24:12Instead of stopping one or two marriages, we believe sustained change can only come when their mindset changes, and then that might stop child marriage. The other challenge for girls is they don't have opportunities, because it's not like they will play in competitions and finish their education and then somebody is waiting to give them jobs, which can help them be financially independent and live a life of dignity.
24:47Munna is now 19, an adult, and one with dreams of a different life. Football has saved her from becoming a child bride. But if she doesn't find a way to be financially independent, then she will be pressured to marry. And her universe may shrink back to resemble her mother's world of household chores, cooking, washing, cleaning.
25:18As for Shaheen from the Siddhi community, it's hard luck at the World Championship Juniors in Peru. She gives her best, but crashes out early. And yet, when she reaches home, she gets a hero's welcome.
25:35They want to celebrate her journey, which has been both life-changing and inspirational. Shaheen takes me to the terrace of her two-story house, the tallest in the Siddhi neighborhood, and points to a small hut in the lane below. That was the house my father grew up in. That small one? Yes. We built this new house during the coronavirus lockdown. The construction is not completed yet. Shaheen's mother takes me around, showing me the room that has a special shelf for Shaheen's medals and tells me the prize money Shaheen got from winning competitions was crucial in helping build the house. Her father took loans to help her and move forward.
26:25And once she established herself, she started helping her father. Now all her expenses are taken care of by the government. You've made us world famous, says one of her uncles, as the family sits around a table with Shaheen, showing them her Asian Championship medal. She knows that excellence is crucial in achieving sporting honours and is a bit disappointed with her bad run in Peru. But it's not just personal milestones that Shaheen is after. She wants to drive bigger change, slowly but surely. What do girls in the Siddhi community usually do? Nothing. They study till grade 8 or 10, then drop out to help at home, work on the farm and get married.
27:14A few would be inspired to go out of the village. But that didn't happen earlier Inspired by who? You?
27:26Yes, it's all changing now They see me and want to move ahead like I have I would have also stayed at home only If my father hadn't got a job Because of which we were able to move ahead You became the first Indian to win the gold medal At the Asian Junior Championship And then qualified for the World Juniors But couldn't win anything there. So how do you motivate yourself? I tell myself that there is no use in crying, train harder for next year and prove to everyone that I can do it. I want to show everyone that those from Siddhi community can also march ahead.
28:12Just like Shaheen, Munna knows the value of public celebrations Even for small wins, so they can spark more change She has joined a group of girls from another village After they won a regional tournament And they're now parading their trophy The women watching them, recording the spectacle on their smartphones but with veils covering their faces are gushing with praise. I have never seen such a celebration in our village. They have won a trophy. And now we feel we should also send our girls to play so they can make us proud. But we also hear many things happen to girls when they step out and fear for their safety.
28:56Munna has battled these fears herself and now wants to spearhead the fight for other girls. But she's also still struggling with the pressure from her family to marry. So Munna has trained to be a coach and plans to become a school sports teacher. It's a path that promises financial independence and freedom to take decisions about her own life, including escaping the three-way exchange marriage the family want her to be part of.
29:28Younger girls are able to step out Because they see older ones like me out there Their mothers ask us to take them along And drop them back home safely For those girls who are already child brides They face pressure to stay at home And do household chores So I feel I have to pull these girls out And whether I am able to stop their marriage or not help them become something in life, realise their dreams.
29:59The girls break into an impromptu dance. One is even crying. Joy and relief at being able to dream, win and become champions of their own lives.
30:23I'm Divya Arya, and that's Crossing Continents from India. The producer is John Murphy. The programme coordinator is Katie Morrison. And the editor of the series is Penny Murphy.
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How sport is giving some young women in India a way out of child marriage and allowing them to be seen. Officially, the practice of child marriage is illegal in the country. But UNICEF estimates that over 200 million girls and women in India have been married before they turned 18. Take Munna as an example. Her mother was fifteen when she married and Munna herself was only 14 when she was told she would be a child bride. However, she fought back, using football as her weapon. She broke social norms and took up the sport, including wearing shorts on the pitch, and fended off various attempts to marry her off early. Now her rebellion has spread to her youngest sister, who has felt emboldened by her elder sister and has made it to the state football team. Sport has also helped members of a marginalised community - the Siddis, who were originally brought to India from Africa mainly as slaves - to battle against discrimination. For Shahin her route was via judo. Divya Arya reports on how sport is helping some young women to break free from the bonds of early marriage and to forge an identity for themselves.
Producer: John Murphy Programme mix: James Beard Programme co-ordinator: Katie Morrison Series Editor: Penny Murphy
