David Arquette is obsessed with Bozo the Clown

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0:21Hey there, everybody. Thanks for coming back for another episode of David Greene is Obsessed. You know, I think the thing I love about our show is the mystery, the unknown of where these conversations might go. It all starts with an obsession, right? It's a thing that someone is obsessed about. And it could be something absurd. It could be something deeply personal, anywhere in between. And then we use that as the window. And we take the conversation wherever it goes to see what we learn about a person, what that obsession says about them. So today we are starting kind of absurd. You might know the actor David Arquette from movies like all the Scream movies.

1:01His obsession is Bozo the Clown. Yeah, not just an obsession with like the clown, the character. He has spent a lot of time and energy and money acquiring the IP, the assets. He now owns Bozo the Clown. Can't wait to see where the conversation goes from there. So in a moment, we're going to hear from David Arquette about his obsession with Bozo.

1:30Hey, David, thanks for doing this. Hey, thank you, David. Can we start with Bozo? Yes, let's start with Bozo. Everything starts with Bozo. Who is Bozo? Bozo is that childlike spirit in your heart, that sparkle in your eyes when you're a kid, the laughing that you do with your friends you know that's who bozo is i love that you went you went deep right away not even to to the character but like to the emotional response that we all have yeah well bozo was created by um alan livingston who worked at capital records and it was a read-along record would teach uh kids to read and it had bozo the clown and all his friends and every time they blew the whistle you turn the page and then they tried to do a couple pilots and promote it and a guy named larry harman was one of the bozos that was uh on the promotional tour he was a voice actor and an actor as well and he uh eventually bought the rights and you know uh made bozo the bozo the world's most famous client yeah and he went to over 200 um different markets and would typically go to like a local television market and teach the weatherman or someone how to perform as bozo and then um give them a costume a packet of cartoons and uh sort of a format for a show it was like a bozo toolkit it was like you can here's the here's the the way to do it exactly so it's basically bringing this book character to life yeah and franchising him and uh you know he's he's now on the air again in brazil we brought him back in brazil and we're working on bringing him back here and uh yeah he's a really wonderful character and i perform as bozo and uh we also introduced jozo bozo the first female bozo the clown oh there's a female counterpart now.

3:44We have some music now. Oh, nice. we have a Bozo LP and a EP. I don't know the difference. I think this is the EP. It's a 45. I don't either. I'm happy you don't either. There's Bozo there. Yeah. And there's. And that's Joseph right over there. Joseph Bozo. And this is Nunu, another one of our friends. Nice. And this is Chippy, the clown court conductor, who I did all the music with. This is our dear friend Clownvis, who's an incredible clown. One of the greatest clowns alive right now. And that's our dear friend Nunu. This is the king of kindness, Kenan Walker, who's amazing. He's also the duck master at the Peabody Hotel.

4:29And this is Laramie Dean, who we do an amazing song called No Bozos on the Beach. So you've created a whole new bozo world. I mean, this is not just resurrecting this character. This is like you're leaning in hard. Yes, I studied with a guy named Misha Ussoff how to perform as a clown. And it's a really interesting art form. You learn all these really fun aspects. There's a lot of surprise involved. There's a lot of, you know, just you're amazed at the world. You hold an apple in your hand and you just look at it and what went into creating this apple. It's as if you've never seen an apple before.

5:18I don't know. It's very cosmic and kind of, I wouldn't say spiritual. Sounds kind of spiritual. There is an element of the wonder of the universe. You know, clowns go back to the Egyptian period and the First Nation people. And, you know, a lot of the time it's used, you know, in the old monarchy to speak truth to power. They were the only ones who could make fun of the king without fear of being beheaded and all of that. I love that. It was like a safe place to be yourself, to be goofy, to take risks, to criticize, and you knew that you could do that with impunity. Yeah. And like in the First Nation people, like often it would be like, you know, the drunk, you know, kind of stumble and clown.

6:19It would just be like, don't behave this way. You know, when you behave this way, you're foolish. um you know a lot of it goes back also to uh french and italian clowns and there's commedia dell arte and uh commedia dell arte has all of these archetypes of different characters that are essentially clowns there's the captain captain who's like um you know he's full of himself he's the boss that knows nothing you know he's saying so we all sort of recognize that in you know society and there's like the sexed up clown and there's the greedy clown and there's all of these elements that are kind of elements of the worst part of our behavior so it's just put a spotlight on and show like how not to behave but it's also it's like the worst part of our behavior but it's The kid connection makes sense.

7:17The thing I love about watching kids is they don't have to worry about anything. It's like, where does my curiosity take me? If I'm interested in this Apple, I can look at this Apple and wonder about this Apple. It's like the clown gives permission for kids to just be that. Yeah, for sure. It's really funny. Watching kids is hilarious. I have two young kids myself. They're getting older now. But yeah, you learn a lot. So what was your dad? I know your dad was an actor, improviser, but he would dress up as a clown sometimes too, right? Was that your first introduction to clown art? Yeah, it really was.

7:59He would dress up as a clown named Butter the Clown, and he would appear at my birthday parties. Nice. And then he would disappear, and my dad would show up, and I'd say, Dad, you just missed Butter the Clown, and that went on for years. And he was so great, Dad. You should have met him. Yeah. My dad knew I loved Bozo, and I grew up in Chicago in Evanston, Illinois, for a short period of time. And fell in love with Bob Bell, who was Bozo on WGN in Chicago. And then I went to Ringling Brothers, and I saw Lou Jacobs and all the clowns there. And I thought this was just an extension of Bozo's world.

8:37And I was like, I love this so much. And ever since I've loved circus world and clowning and improvisation has a lot to do with it. And I learned so much from my dad and from Paul and Carol Sills, who are incredible improvisational teachers. And I was lucky enough to take a course with Paul Sills and study for quite a while with Carol Sills. Do you remember the first kind of childlike reaction to what Bozo looked like? Like, what did you see through the eyes of a kid that drew you to this character? the WGN show was really interesting because it was a real throwback to vaudeville and uh my great-grandparents were in vaudeville and they they did a show in Toledo Ohio and um there's something about it that really spoke to me he had this little friend named cookie who was this incredible clown I remember cookie that's yeah yeah me and my buddy would I'd be bozo he'd be cookie and we'd like you know act like clowns and they just would do these skits that were really funny to see grown-ups like behaving like kids in a way and just uh there was a lot of pies in the face sure a lot of pie very important yes very important and so much fun to do we've uh had quite a few pie fights ourself now yeah so uh yeah and then there's just dad as david or you as bozo both all all of the above yeah pie fights are hilarious and fun and kids love like like giving you a pie in the face and um yeah so it's always been a really fun uh it's it's always been really fun to do we do this uh celebration called bob baker day in los angeles and uh that's amazing marionette the oldest marionette theater in in america and um We do Bob Baker Day, and we typically have a giant pie fight at the end.

10:45Sounds amazing. I live in LA. I'm going to have to go to this next time it's happening. Oh, Bob Baker Day is one of the best events in Los Angeles. It's every summer time. I want a pie in my face, David. You will. We'll do it next time. I want a pie in my face. Yeah, it's fun. You got to do it. We'll make sure to have the pie fight. Last year, we didn't have a pie fight because the previous year, it got a little aggressive. They knocked my nose off. your clown nose i assume yeah okay yeah which is an important part of bozo right i mean that that that red nose is um is a critical piece of the bozo character yeah i mean it's funny it like there's different meanings behind it but part of it is uh when you drink you get a red nose So that was part of it.

11:32And a hobo clown has sort of black soot all over his bottom face and white eyes and a white mouth. And that was taken from hobos that are riding the train during the Depression. They'd wipe their eyes and wipe their mouth and it would leave this white spots. Oh, I didn't know that history. And that sort of became the clown look for the hobo clown. So is the red nose, I mean, is Bozo supposed to be a drunk clown? Is that why the nose is red? No, but it was part of the development of the red nose, I believe. There was this really interesting, very famous clown named Ghiramaldi. And listen, I've just been studying it, but I don't have it all down perfectly.

12:22Ghiramaldi was really beloved in England, I believe. And he sort of is one of the first clowns credited with sort of the sad clown. So he really brought an emotional depth to it. And then you have the scary clown. So the scary clown is really big in American culture right now. And scary clown actually is part of our, you know, I've learned to embrace him. I love horror movies anyway. and all that kind of stuff. One or two. Yeah. Something tells me. So at first I was like, oh, scary clowns. But it's actually part of society. It's just, we're just trying to shine a light on the happy clowns so that they still exist.

13:11Okay, David, so level set. You have this acting career that we all know you for. You have a wrestling career that I hope that we can cover a bit later. For sure. But then you hit this moment in your career where you're like, I want to bring back and buy the rights to Bozo the Clown. Like, what led you to really lean into that as your next career move? Well, as an actor, like, you have a lot of downtime. So unless you find other things. We imagine you guys rehearsing all the time. Well, it depends on how often you have a job. Yeah. I mean, you have auditions, hopefully. and then jobs come up. But there's a lot of time in between.

13:56You can often get frustrated by the time in between. So you have to find different outlets that really will keep you occupied, that you find joy in. So I always tend to lean into things that I love. That's why I wrestled. That's why I love Bob Ross, who we could talk about too, and Bozo the Clown. So when I was a kid, I just loved him and I'd always thought about him. When I first started a production company, I was like, what's up with Bozo the Clown? I haven't seen him recently. And I got in touch with Larry Harmon, the guy who turned him into Bozo, the world's most famous clown, and developed a relationship with him.

14:42Helped him get in touch with a writer named Scott who wrote his memoirs right before he passed. And then he died, and I sent him balloons to his funeral with the big Bozo. Seems appropriate. And his family didn't take offense. Good. Yeah, I cleared it with him first. And then I was negotiating with his wife, and then she passed away as well, Susan. And then finally was able to make a deal with Marcy, who's still a partner in Bozo. and uh yeah we're just doing the little things to bring him back what's the deal like how does one go about acquiring a clown yeah it took me 15 years okay took a lot of negotiating it's a while yeah it took uh being able to pull it off like you're buying the ip basically the brand the ip the whole the character yeah and then yeah and it's a lot bigger than i anticipated as far as there's a lot of lawyer elements and sort of business stuff about it that's not really my favorite part but um it's part of the necessary securing the ip yeah so now that you have it i mean how what's your favorite way to use bozo to be bozo to leverage bozo to enjoy bozo well a real Well, I mean, in general, a clown creates, hopefully, positive memories.

16:19That's really a clown's job, is to make people laugh. And that's my favorite part. So that's what we do, especially with the music that we're doing. Me and Chippy are doing. Graham Wheeler is his real name. And, oh, look, you see this? This is the record cover, right? yeah and this is amazing art by bill main oh i love it and if you see on the back it's oh you're looking like the back of the characters yeah it's so fun it's so powerful and look it's it's um i'm sorry i did a little tangent but it's like got a red nose it's a white album oh it's a it's a white record with a red center with the nose and so what am i hearing if i threw that on the record player oh you'd hear four songs you'd hear bozo's philosophy which is uh just a sort of introduction okay he says i'm bozo the world's most famous clown big whoop and this is you this is your voice this is you yeah voice in this okay sort of me but uh he says big whoop i can't even get out of my clown car without about somebody, scaring somebody.

17:32I don't want to scare people. I'm about joy, laughter, and reflecting light in an increasingly dark world. So I'm no longer Bozo, the world's most famous clown. I'm Bozo, the world's most friendly clown. And he says, you know, Bozo doesn't look up at anybody and think they're so great. Bozo certainly doesn't look down on anyone and thinks he's better than them. we look everyone right in the eye and know that you're the greatest in your world and i'm the greatest in the mind and we treat each other that way we're gonna have a great world you know so it's sort of little peppering of trying to make the world a better place and kindness is the key to happiness and stuff like that so this ep is called let your clown out and there's uh four songs there's that bozo philosophy and then there's uh no bozos on the beach there's a song weirdo that I do with, uh, with clown vis and, uh, weirdos.

18:35My son said, someone called me a weirdo at school today. And I was like, what? I said, Charlie, that is actually good. You don't want to be just normal. You want to be unique. You want to be yourself. You want to, it's all right to be weird. It's all right to be strange. It's all right to be different. I love that. That's such a good fatherly advice. Thank you. How old was Charlie when he was called a weirdo and you had that conversation? Oh man, he was probably seven years old. Oh, that's the perfect age to kind of catch that. Yeah. And nip that in the bud. Yeah. Okay, so you wrote a song about that.

19:14And then with Kenan Walker, we did Clown Crazy. Let's get clown crazy, come outside and play with me, get clown crazy. I love this. david i feel like the world needs bozo now more than ever i mean is that that's for sure thank you that's so sweet thank you david i appreciate that this is dark these are dark times and we need some bozo oh we need to laugh again that's for sure the world needs clowns yeah well so finish this sentence for me when i am playing bozo i feel sweaty it is so exhausting it's a lot I'm telling you. When I play Bozo, I feel happy. I feel free. I feel light. It really helps you.

20:09You really are just spreading happiness and joy and making people laugh. We have this funny clown, Poncho, who's one of our friends who's actually a tattoo artist. poncho plochus he's an amazing clown and uh but he's a tattoo artist he's like and he he like loves clowns he's always dressing as a clown he does a lot of clown tattoos and at the end of the first bob baker day he said david you're a good clown today i was like oh thanks poncho he goes yeah you made a lot of people happy a lot of people smile and you scared a few people that's what a good clown does kind of scare a few kids aren't a little bit scared yeah it's gonna happen yeah but it was really funny we did this one thing where we were announcing the pie fight and we had two pies we brought up and jozo was supposed to hit me with the pie but she got shy i kind of hit myself with the pie it was all over my face it was making messing my makeup up and uh i got off the stage and i was we had to get ready for the pie fight so i had to go reapply my makeup so i was wiping it off all the the shaving cream you typically use shaving cream because it doesn't get on your clothes and spoil yeah and uh you're not ruining clothes every time you yeah it's actually you know it doesn't irritate your eyes too much but um i had this extra pie I said, Pancho, can you hold this pie for me?

21:40And I wiped it out. I was kind of frustrated because I knew we didn't have much time. And he was holding the pie and he goes, wow. Go right back in. He was like, I'm sorry, man, but you can't give a clown a pie and not expect to get a pie in the face. I couldn't help but laugh. It was one of the funniest things that ever happened to me. is there is there some element of like personal escapism in doing this for you yeah for sure um yeah i mean the music element is definitely uh a joyful uh kind of cathartic you know really helps you through depressive times and you know it's a really great way to funnel the energy like after I first premiered Bozo, it was on CNN during, in Times Square during New Year's Eve.

22:41And I went out and it was during COVID and everybody was just so like down. And it was really hard to even get a smile from people. Like people were kind of just in a really sad place. And I was really bummed. Especially New York. Yeah, at that time, they'd been sitting around all day to be there. all in you know you know behind these barricades and everything and you could see it was a little frustrating for people and i was really depressed about it you know i was really eager and i was like too loud and my son like you know got on the phone right after i was like dad you're yelling so much yeah and um i went to chippy and where i wrote this song called it's a rainy day it's a rainy day but everything seems to be going my way even though i can't go out to play and my friends have nothing to say because they're stuck outside on this rainy day uh and the whole sort of point of it is but there may be a rainbow you know and uh and everything's gonna be all right and that kind of vibe i do like the energy of just sort of being silly and kind of having fun And, you know, one of the clown things is like, it's sort of you're contrary to what you typically think.

24:04Like what someone would typically think, you'd kind of think the opposite. Well, I wonder, I mean, as I was thinking about talking to you, like, you know, you through your career have been so, and I don't mean to get too serious, but I've been so open about, you know, your struggles and alcohol at times and drugs. And I love drinking. I love being goofy and an idiot when I'm drinking. And there's, but I always, I always have that internal dialogue. Like, when's it going to be too much? When do I need to stop? Am I going too far? I literally had that conversation with myself watching a Pittsburgh Steelers game the other day at the bar.

24:41I'm like, I've had too many Bloody Marys in the first half of this football game. Am I going to get out of control? And it just like reading about you and Bozo, I was like, is a clown a way to just be able to be goofy with absolute impunity. Like it's just a totally safe space to live out that kind of behavior. That's really perceptive of you. That's exactly it. That's literally why I clown around. It's because it's like being super wasted, but you're totally straight. You can just be as silly as you want. You do the kind of things that you typically would. You know, you'd never jump up on a table and be like, ah!

25:22Right. If you weren't wasted or a clown, you know what I mean? So you can do those kinds of things. Like all of these silly things happen. Like when you're a clown where my hair was falling down on Bob Baker day. So I stood on my head and then had them hairspray. But it was like took five minutes, you know, or, you know, Elvis comes on and you just go into a full Elvis routine or, you know, all these kinds of moments. And there's really silly things happen when you're a clown. It's like, we don't have enough rubber chickens. Like, we need more rubber chickens. Or let's have a pickle party. I made pickles with Gatorade.

26:01Like, I poured a bunch of Gatorade mix in the pickles. You can do whatever the hell you want. Yeah. But actually, I learned that pickles are great for dehydration. And then when you add Gatorade, it's like super pickles. And they're kind of sweet and kind of sour. And it's an amazing combination. really good oh you'd be surprised you can pour you need sugar too sugar and gator well some gatorade mix comes with it yeah but um yeah i tried it with uh okay kool-aid you do kool-aid pickles too but that's uh hit and miss because uh go with the gatorade go with the gatorade this is some weird shit we're talking about but i'm gonna try it i'm telling you you should you You pour the Gatorade mix.

26:50If it has sugar in it already, you just read the, uh, however, to make the Gatorade naturally, but you pour it in with like half pickle juice, half Gatorade. Amazing. Amazing. Um, well, you, you said I was perceptive. I mean, how has Bozo helped you resolve some harder stuff in your life? Yeah. I mean, I, you know, quitting drinking, you know, obviously like it has its problems, but there are also really fun elements to it, bonding elements and being silly elements and being carefree and not caring about so much and letting the steam out. so you get all of those things by being able to be silly and you know without the repercussions you know of some of the uh why did i say that or you know i don't feel good in the morning kind of thing so you can have fun uh regardless and you know it's just a silly way of lightening life up and you're also able to spread joy and that just feels good.

28:03A lot of our music is designed to have little fun dance parties so you create this kind of energy and it does really radiate. So it's fun. It's just a great way to sort of let loose and spread joy and have some fun. Yeah. No, I mean, I've been doing a lot of work around like ways to bring people together. I know your wife, Christina, has been supporting the film I've been working on of bringing people together around music to have hard conversations about guns. I feel like you could really explore ways to use Bozo just as a bonding, like as an entry point for families and kids to come together for the same reason and not forget the hard things we deal with in our society today, but just remember the love and the pure love that we all can enjoy together.

29:03Absolutely. We had an amazing experience with Chloe and Billy Corgan at their tea house, Madam Zuzu's, in Highland Park outside of Chicago. And it was just this wonderful experience because a lot of the time in Chicago or places where Bozo was big, the parents grew up with Bozo. So then you see these moments where the parents become kids again. And that's like the ultimate clown trick. You know what I mean? That's the ultimate magic move. That's the secret. You think your kids are having fun, but actually. What does your bozo obsession say about you? Oh, you'd have to ask my wife.

29:50She's funny. She's coming around, but it's been a hard road because she's been like, what is this? What are you doing? Because she doesn't like to embarrass herself at all. She doesn't? Yeah, no, she's not into embarrassing things. She didn't even like being on camera when she was a reporter for Entertainment Tonight. She's just not really into that kind of thing. So it took her a while to come around to Bozo? Yeah, well, yeah, it's still, it's still in the process. But anyway, okay, what's it say about you? What do you think we learn about David Arquette from Bozo? I don't know what it says about me.

30:27I said I'm a clown. that I'm a clown at heart. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Also that I like to hold on to that sort of childlike spirit. And, you know, growing up is kind of a bummer, you know? It sucks. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that's good about it. It's nice to, like, get things in order and be responsible. But it's stressful. so it really does help relieve some of that

31:08I always finish our show with you know we call it David Green is obsessed but we're going to call this part David Arquette is obsessed besides Bozo I want to ask you about wrestling because that has been one of the most fascinating chapters in your life this remind me how you became a professional wrestlers had something to do with working on ready to rumble the film right yeah i loved it as a kid my dad did the voice of jimmy superfly snoka on the uh hulk hogan's rocking wrestling show cartoon and um i'd always loved it i grew up in a time where hulk hogan was uh body slamming Andre the Giant.

31:50We got to see him at the LA Sports Arena. Loved Macho Man Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth. I had loved Miss Elizabeth. I was in love with her. And later, my wife looks just like her. I was like, wow. I really like it imprinted in me at an early age, that sort of archetype. And these are all wrestling characters for the show, right? Yeah. So then I did Ready to Rumble. I was going through the script. I got to page 15. It says, Macho Man Randy Savage comes out of this refrigerator. I called up my agent. I was like, do they really have Macho Man Randy Savage in this movie? And they're like, yeah, they've got him.

32:33They have everyone from WCW, which was like a competitor to WWE. This was the TBS wrestling franchise, right? Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. and um so it was sort of on a downward they had done something called the monday night wars where they were kind of going back and forth in ratings now wcw was kind of dying but then they hired hulk hogan over and they were making a big push and um they had me come out and do a show to promote Ready to Rumble, which had all the WCW wrestlers in it. I was working with Diamond Dallas Page, and Jeff Jarrod was the bad guy in the scenario. I did an appearance, I think it was in Colorado Springs, and it got a really good reaction and got news coverage.

33:33And they said, listen, if you want to stay on to the pay-per-view, which is a month away, we'll make you the champion. And I was like, what? That's a terrible idea. But I thought it would be interesting to be the first fan champion. But it's such a prestigious belt. They got really upset. The fans hated me for 25 years. so I decided to go back and wrestle independently and really figure out why they hated me so much what happened was I had a instant where I got two stents put in my heart right before I went under I was like well my family loves me I've lived a great life if I don't make it through So, you know, it was an amazing adventure.

34:24But when I came out, my wife said, how are you feeling? Did you miss us? Did you think about us? And I was like, I really thought about wrestling. She was like, what? And I said, I don't know. It was just something that's nodded me when I was under. I don't know why. Just seemed like some unfinished business. So I went back and I independently wrestled for two years. traveled the country and sort of really saw why they hated me so much why do you think they hated you was it because i mean they they i mean even though it's entertainment because i was an actor yeah they wanted like yeah at least the illusion that this is just pure competitive sport yeah and i was an actor and i didn't study and i didn't pay my dues and i didn't really uh respect wrestling but i did respect wrestling i love wrestling it's part of the reason they picked me is because one of the guys backstage had seen me go around and ask for autographs and he saw that i was a real fan what you learn when you go into these different worlds if it's bozo if it's wrestling if it's bob ross because i'm a certified bob ross instructor i love yeah oh there's that painting show was just one of the greatest the best and i love him because he'd also spread joy and like encourage people to be creative and totally really had such a wonderful spirit to him so um he saw that i loved it and when you go into these different worlds you've realized very quickly that the cameraman and the makeup artist and the people setting up the ring and the crowd control and the other wrestlers they all love wrestling that's why they're in wrestling and same with clowns you go to the circus and you see all these people and it's generational and their families were part of this whole thing and they've trained and they've got all this experience and they've paid their dues and they love circus and you know you go to study bob ross and you've you're in this room for a three-week course in new smirna beach Florida and all of the people around this that are taking this course to be able to teach other people how to paint like Bob Ross all love Bob Ross and he had a profound effect on him and they love painting so you if you follow your heart and you follow something you love that is success in my opinion it's not really uh you know the the other things that people often talk about it's it's joy it'll bring you happiness and you'll be surrounded by people that also find joy in the same things but there's a through line i i i feel like i'm seeing i mean with bozo with wrestling with bob ross it's like um like this kind of entertainment that could be dismissed as just like goofiness or fake but but actually behind the scenes there's just a tremendous amount of study and work to make it happen.

37:29Is that fair? Absolutely. Yeah. The intricacies of wrestling, the intricacies of Bob Ross, the intricacies of Bozo, when you get down to it, it's traveling a lot. It's carrying a bunch of bags. It's putting makeup on and taking it off. With wrestling, it's throwing your body on the ground. It's the pain that I still have from it. It's dedication. It's also sacrifice. It's also committing yourself to what it takes to make it happen, which always is an investment. It's almost like you go to school for these things at the beginning, and then they start paying off after you've put in a lot of time and energy and money.

38:25My last question, what's an obsession that you've only revealed to your family until right now when you're going to reveal it to all of us? Oh my gosh. That I love music and I'd love to perform. I mean, they know it, I guess. But I think that's something that's one of those things. Oh, I was thinking about something else. I was like, oh no, that's another one. Well, farming and animals, I love. Like, we have a farm here, and it's a ton of work. But it is really rewarding and really sweet to, like— You have an Instagram page, isn't it? Bozo's Barnyard, yeah. Bozo's Barnyard, yeah. Yeah. I love barbecue.

39:04I love cooking barbecue. I don't know. Yeah, I love cooking a lot. That's a wonderful thing. I mean, I love acting, and I love— i'd love to do some roles that really sort of surprise people i guess that's not a big reveal or anything no but like what what kind of role like more what would take you to a place that you feel like it would surprise your fans oh i think i could do a lot of stuff i mean you know i was once asked on um watch what happens live like who's the best actor in the arquette family and i was like me they're all laugh the whole audience laugh i was like listen You can laugh all you want, but as an actor, you have to have that confidence.

39:45And you're only as good as the people you're working with, the roles that you're able to get. And you kind of have to, as a working actor, sometimes you have to scrap together and do something that on paper might sound great. And then you get there and they don't have the budget that you were expecting. So you have to make the best of it. People will judge you for that or this or that. But, you know, if you find a director like Wes Craven who really believed in me and gave me opportunity and allowed me to sort of, you know, also expand the role and find a lot of comedic elements within it with him and with the writer and with the other actors, it'll allow you to sort of thrive and blossom.

40:32Well, your next time in L.A., I want a pie in my face. Yes! I'm going to drop by your farm next time I come to Nashville. Please, David. I love that. David, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.

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