David Bull Unpacks The Managed Decline of the UK

30:51Yeah, wow. What if the only way you guys could get in is with a coalition with conservatives? Would you do it? Well, we've done it before, haven't we? We stood down, didn't we? We gave Boris Johnson an 80-seat majority, if you recall. I do. I was there because I stood down. And that was a complete disaster. He never got Brexit done. He got an oven-ready deal. Do you remember that? Oven-ready deal? It hadn't been anywhere near an oven. It wasn't a deal. But, of course, then what we ended up with was a complete and utter mess where Northern Ireland completely abandoned two million UK citizens left to fend for themselves and border in the RSC.

31:29You tell me any other country, like France, Oh, I'll tell you what, we'll put a border in the middle of France. We'll put a border in the middle of Spain. Wouldn't happen. So he was weak, he was played, and I blame Theresa May, actually, because she agreed to the sequencing of the EU. I work there. They're very clever. So they used the Northern Ireland Protocol to whip the United Kingdom. Now, I would never have agreed to that sequencing, because you have to then decide what are the major principles, and we'll work out. Of course, Northern Ireland is complicated, but there are ways and means around that.

32:03So would you do it again? The answer categorically is no. Now, having said that, from our point of view, the answer is no. But also what we're seeing is people who are truly aligned to us coming across now. I think there is a risk and I want to have a cut-off date where I don't want failed Tories coming across. Were you Conservative? I was a long time ago, yes. Yes. How did that end and this start? So there's a great story here. I was in television at the time, and I went to Geoffrey Archer's drinks party, and I met this chap, and I said, oh, what do you do? And he said, I'm an MP. And I was like, oh, well, you're a bunch of idiots.

32:46You know, you don't do anything. You just talk, you know, you have lunch. And he said, well... Two-hour lunch. Two-hour lunch, if not three. And he said, well, if you think you're so clever, you do it. So I was like, right, I will. so I ended up on David Cameron's A-list and then I applied and I got the seat of Brighton Pavilion goodness knows why I chose that because it's the most difficult seat to win ever but never mind threw myself into it bought a bought a flat there and everything and then my father became terminally ill and I went home to be with my parents and my dad very sadly died and I was there looking after my mum and my brother and sister and I got a phone call from the local association saying if you don't come back this is like two days after my dad died we're going to deselect you so I was like well you can stick it um and then David Cameron asked Eric Pickles to meet me and we met in parliament or just outside like in spooks looking over the river on a bench and we didn't look at each other.

33:55And Eric said to me, David has told me I'm to do anything to keep you. And I said, like what? And he said, well, we really want you to remain with the party. And I said, look, you tell me the whole time that you're the party that believes in family and yet you've done this to me and I'm sorry I'm out. And that's the end of my story with the Conservatives. Silver has crashed. It's back to its price in 1974 and I'm going to buy more. And if you'd like to learn how to invest and build multiple streams of recurring income, I recommend you join money.school. Money.school is my global financial education platform to help as many people on this planet get better financial knowledge.

34:34For less than four Starbucks coffees a month, there are hundreds of hours of courses, resources and masterclasses going back a decade to teach how to make, manage and multiply money and gain financial freedom. So join thousands of other money and freedom seekers on the link money.school. and start today your journey to financial freedom and more money. So, how's reform going to change the UK then? What are your major big policies? Well, so I think lots of things actually, to look entirely at the tax system. So at the moment, there's no incentive to work. That's one of the things that I think is really important.

35:09So we want to raise the tax threshold to£20 ,000. So take loads of people. As in first£20 ,000 tax free. First£20 ,000 tax free. That you earn. That would change a lot of dynamics because actually it would allow young people to actually keep some more of their own money. I would like to see lower taxes across the board because then again, businesses can use their profit to reinvest, to train British people. That seems a very sensible solution to me. Immigration, Operation Restoring Justice, we are going to detain and deport you and we will leave the European Convention on Human Rights. We have to do that.

35:44Will you actually be able to do that? Yes, absolutely. but also look the conservatives are now saying we can leave the european convention on human rights well why didn't you then what were you doing so we need to get on on top of the illegal migration problem shut the hotels all of this is absolutely unacceptable and stop and basically of the 3.8 million i spoke about who came over on the boris wave a million are about to get indefinite leave to remain a million that means they will be able to get benefits they can live off the state they're not working all the stuff I told you earlier so we are going to abolish indefinite leave to remain we are going to give you the opportunity to apply for a visa five-year renewable visa rather like Australia does actually where you have to have a certain threshold of income but crucially you will not be able to claim welfare or benefits if you're here on a visa same in the states so that seems eminently pragmatic to me so that's immigration is is part of that secondly we'll or thirdly, we'll scrap net zero.

36:46The idea that we move towards a greener, cleaner future, fine. But it's so arbitrary. What was it, you know, 2030, for no apparent reason, plucked out of thin air. Now we've got the mandates of phasing out cars, all the rest of it, penalising manufacturers. All of that's nonsense. Voters and consumers will do what they want, and they already don't really like electric cars. It's fine for someone like me who has a detached house where I can charge my car with solar panels, which I happen to have at home. But if you live in a terraced house in, I don't know, North London, it's very difficult to do that.

37:22So again, scrap net zero, we want cheap energy. And the minute you have cheap energy, that solves a lot of problems. So let's look at steel, for example, factories. Let's look at industrial units. It also changes pubs. So the energy cost of a pub is what is actually causing them to close. A pub a day is closing. Wow. That's terrible. Yeah. And also in a village where I live, If my pub's shut. Now for elderly people, and this is kind of where it all goes full circle. Elderly people need a social hub. And the pub is that place. So you can go to the pub. It's British culture, isn't it? It is British culture.

37:56But you see your neighbours and you talk and you're not lonely. Elderly people who become lonely become ill and they go to hospital. And then we end up in all the problems that we've got currently. So I'd like to see that. given that I'm health I also want to see a radical rethinking of the NHS so it remains free at the point of need the delivery mechanism behind that is irrelevant to me so we already have private provision behind that so recently I had a lump removed my appointment was on the NHS the appointment was 3 30 and I was seen at 3 32 I had the lump removed and I was out by 3 42 two.

38:37And I said to the surgeon, that's amazing. You are now working in a private clinic, but paid for by the NHS on a tariff rate. And he said, yeah, the reason I left the NHS is because I can do eight times the operations that I could in the NHS. It's really efficient. They have two treatment rooms. So one patient is prepped. He's operating in this one. He walks across the corridor and operates on this one whilst this one gets ready. If you look at hospitals, my friends are consultant surgeons the average surgeon is operating twice a week currently wow what a mess yeah and the reason because there isn't the theater capacity the theaters are old the notes aren't there people might be off sick so going back to the nhs does it need more money no it really doesn't spending 250 260 billion quid on the nhs wow 11.7 percent of gdp we're spending a huge amount of money so it's going in at the top so the lefties will tell you i need more money but they're probably that's what the lefties do well they do what was it thatcher said about socialism the problem is you run out of other people's money but but the more money you put in at the top and you've got a problem you get an expensive problem and that's what we've now got we've got this expensive problem so let's look at what is going on currently so we have no capacity no beds we have nowhere to treat anyone the gps here's another thing the gps don't work for the nhs you know that no they're all private private businesses right all gps yeah but the public don't know that no so all this nonsense of oh it's our nhs and it's you know it's it's never been like that so um it has to be streamlined there's another thing that we need to do is i need to empower people to take control of their health somehow i don't have all the answers yet but i'm working on it so health right up there in terms of what we need to do so the economy you know we should be giving tax breaks we should be actually cutting tax allowing businesses to come in i want young people to actually have great ideas and employ people and employ british people and make sure that, you know, they're not...

40:49So regulation is dropped, all of this nonsense. So I think those are probably the most key points that we need to do. I think also in an increasingly unstable world, we need to spend far more money on defence. I think we're in very dangerous territory at the moment and we have relied far too long on the United States. And Trump has, you know, obviously challenged that status quo. But I think people in this country are resilient, they're willing to work hard, but right now what i get from anyone i meet is why bother because you get taxed you just get fleeced you have to allow people to earn money and feel that they're making a difference and they're not just existing they're actually living and so when i look at the take-home pay of people who work two three jobs they're earning less because of tax and everything than people on benefits this this is utter madness is it true you're thinking about bringing back the death penalty at first i've heard of it um well grok thinks you might well uh i haven't spoken to grok for a while i don't normally i was having a chat with you on the way i don't normally ask grok okay i'd have to think about that it's not party policy let me tell you that yeah should we bring about the death penalty.

42:13Now, the people against it would say, what happens if you make a mistake? And I get that. But equally, I'm a great believer in zero tolerance, like Giuliani showed in New York. So the smash windows policy, it worked. Yeah, it did. So 250 ,000 kids carry knives. Quarter of a million kids carry knives to school. So we need to make a, I'm sort of answering this in a tangential way, So we need to make very clear to young people that is not okay. We need to also have stop and search. The police know who the troublemakers are. So we need to have zero tolerance. Would I go so far as the death penalty?

42:54I think that's a matter of personal conscience. Yeah. So that's a no. It's not necessarily a no. So, for example, people who commit horrific rapes, multiple rapes, where we actually have 100 % evidence against them, as we've seen recently, do they have a right to live when they've destroyed people's lives? I'd have to think about that, but it's a personal issue. Yeah. So are you saying you'd give the police more powers? Is that what you were saying before? I would. I'll tell you what I would do, and I have many friends who are police officers, get them out from under their desks. They need to be on the streets.

43:32We need visible policing like we used to have. So when I was growing up, if you I may have been a bit naughty if I was a bit naughty you would get a clip round the ear from the police officer who knew where you lived and you didn't do it again now you can go they've decriminalised shoplifting you can go and nick 199 quid you can why work if that's basically free well I was on the tube and I saw this man and woman get on and they had a pram and I thought oh they've got a baby it wasn't a baby it was full of steak that they're nicked and then he opened his coat and he had steak and fish all inside his jacket i mean i should laugh it's not fucking funny it's not funny no it's not funny and actually there are a couple of people in this office who i think are mad but they do this they stop people who they see nicking stuff in shops yeah but i'm always worried that you get stabbed yeah but if If we all just watch.

44:33Well, that's also true. That's also true. But, oh, so that's another interesting thing. That brings us back to society. Because also when I grew up, we knew our neighbours. We knew everyone. That's all gone. Now, obviously London's a bit difficult because you've got a transient city. But certainly in these villages and towns, I kind of go back to the pub. If you don't have the pub, you don't know your neighbours. So a lot of this is eminently soluble. I think that also one of the other things I'm very struck by is the death of the high street. Amazon has killed everything. And many of us are guilty of using that and many other online portals.

45:12But what it has done is it stopped those small independent businesses from thriving. Now, what can we do? Am I suggesting we shouldn't stop it? We can't. Of course, we can't. But what we can do is to have business rates that are so low that actually it would encourage startups to go into there, for example, so that we reinvigorate the high street so elderly people have someone to chat to. There are so many pieces, but those are kind of the key benchmarks. So just in terms of policy, as chairman, I'm aware that we have a lot to do. I think there's the understatement of the year. So we now have policy working groups because I don't know everything about everything.

45:50I try, but I don't. so for example we now have a group of lawyers very senior KCs who are working through the judicial process and what we would do for example with the Attorney General for example medics so why don't we actually ask people who worked in the health service to come up with what would you do how do you incentivize it Aradazi who wrote the Darzi report I worked for him he was my SR senior registrar when I trained he he's identified he's a labour peer he's identified pretty much what I agree the NHS is in dire need of resuscitation and we need to do something and do it quickly let's learn from other countries what models work for them because pouring money into a bottomless pit isn't actually going to do anything apart from give you a very expensive pit so then again you know bring in people who've actually run business what are we going to do How do we incentivise?

46:44The whole point of Brexit was that we can do whatever we want. But we can't whilst we're still attached to the EU through Northern Ireland. So let's become Singapore on terms. Let's drop tax revenues. Because also the ultra-wealthy only hide their money when they see their tax burden go up so much. So when you flatten it to a degree, then actually your revenues go up. And the Laffer curve will prove that out. Yeah, I want to talk about that. Because I'm an entrepreneur, I have been for 20 years. I know. Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah, 20 years. I should take some tips. Yeah. And the incentives all seem perverse and the wrong way around and all the penalties for all the people that are actually building wealth.

47:27And I've had loads of friends that have left for various different countries in the world, mostly Dubai. And we've got tens of thousands of millionaires leaving. How can we make the UK a better place to run a business? and how can we not have this politics of envy of success it's really interesting that um so when i lived in america people say uh hi what do you do and you would say i'm you know they always overplay anyway so they'd say i'm an award-winning entrepreneur and i've made millions but what's interesting is the response that but oh wow that's amazing in this country we tart yeah so we have to change the mindset around that which is actually aspiration and doing well is a great thing we should champion that and we're starting to get there but we need to basically have tax breaks to allow people to succeed we need pots of money you need to going back to preparing for government i want to talk to private equity i want to talk to vcs to understand actually what would help them how do you unlock that what what how do we help them to do that because that's as you know the biggest barrier to any young entrepreneur is access to cash and cash flow and so to have people coming on board in some way with some scheme that actually empowers you, but at the same time mitigates their tax bill, has to be a good thing.

48:43Do you think a flat tax code? I do. You think that could work? But I'm not an economist. No. I'm just asking your opinion. Well, these are the things that we look at, because actually when you look at the Laffer curve, what it shows to me is that actually by flattening the tax brackets that you actually increase revenue. Yeah. So it seems nuts to me that if you are a middle earner, you're paying, what, 50%, 60 % of your income disappears. And that's just income. That's not capital gains. That's not all the other types of taxes. And then let's look at inheritance tax, shall we, and all the rest of it.

49:19So then you start thinking on your deathbed, why did I bother? You've already paid tax on your house. I would abolish inheritance tax. I think that's the most iniquitous tax ever, actually. but but but again um vat on private schools is another one which i would abolish tomorrow because all that did is it was people who are jealous in the labor party the people who suffered from the vat imposition on private school fees are the parents who do two three jobs to send their kids to private school who don't have holiday the multi-millionaires didn't touch them no so what's happened all the small independent schools are closing and now the state is paying for kids to go 50 60 miles in the back of a cab to a to to a state school it's nonsense yeah it's total nonsense but again you know it's i want it there needs to be a meritocracy doesn't it and again it goes back to university entrance it's swung the other way now so we i want the best and the brightest to be given those chances but equally what i want to see is more um more apprenticeships i want to see actually when people say well i'm i have you have you met a poor plumber because I haven't, you know, they do very well.

50:31And we need to encourage that. We need to encourage people to do well and set up businesses. Yeah, we do. Who's your biggest threat? You're top of the opinion polls at the moment. Who's the biggest threat? Is it Labour? Is it Conservatives? Is it the Green Party? It's not Labour. Is it the Conservatives? I don't think it's any of them. I don't think it is, actually. Is that hubris to say that? I don't think any of them are the threat. I think the biggest threat could be our complacency. Could it be your inexperience? Could be. Just for the youth of the party, not being disrespectful. I think it's also being tripped over.

51:15I think the media plays a role in this. Because let's just look at our councillors. Labour and the Conservatives have lost 400 councillors. Do you ever read about that? You hear about our ones, don't you? So again, you know... So you think there's some targeted smear campaign? Oh, there is, without a doubt. I mean, look at Question Time. It's absolutely appalling what they did. They brought over illegal migrants and stuck them in the Question Time audience and Z had a terrible time with them. But, I mean... Not everyone thought that. Some people thought he handled himself quite well, I think. Well, he did, but it was an unfair playing field, I think.

51:49He did very well. But the point I'm trying to make is actually, I think we are making these slow steps, but it's a long game. And I can see that and we're putting in all these processes and everything. You mentioned the Tories and the Labour Party being old. In many ways, that's their forte because they come from heritage and stock. It's also their biggest liability because they think they have a divine right to rule. And I don't think they do. wow and you look very serious when you say that like i'm coming for you we are coming we are coming for them make no mistakes about it i mean if i so it's very funny i'm reading all the time at the moment oh has reform reached its plateau they said that when we were at 12 percent you know and now they said it at 20 they're now saying it at 33 ask people in the street if this lot bothered to get out of Westminster and went round the country, as I do, they would be in no doubt how people are going to vote for.

52:53And there's another really interesting thing. When the opinion polls ask people how they're going to vote, we also have shy reformers. So they won't tell the pollster they're voting for us. Is that because they're worried about being, oh, you're extremist, you're racist, you're far right? Yes. Right. But you think those people would come out with in voting time i do and i have a lot of people who come up to me who tap me and then whisper by the way i'm with you it's really interesting that is interesting yeah but across the board so this might be media or insensitive or the civil service i was outside a hotel where i was staying and this lady came up to me and said i want to thank you for what you're doing i can't tell you this but i'm a civil servant and i'm voting for you wow and how are you going to recover economic growth because it's so poor.

53:39It is. But again, as I say, if you actually reduce the burden of regulations on businesses, for example, if you slash tax, if you actually allow people to do what they do really well, then people will go out and thrive. Employee national insurance has to be reduced immediately. The threshold, again, moving to 5 ,000, absolutely ridiculous. So all of that has to go. Yeah. And then I think you'll start to see people taking risks. SMEs take risks. And remember, SMEs, whilst we talk about the multinationals and all the rest of the pharmaceuticals great but they're not the ones that actually make up the bulk of the economy yeah it's the people who took a risk people like me who took out 20 grand loan set up a business you know that's a lot of money for people people who mortgage their houses to put it in their business exactly so therefore they need to feel that actually the state isn't against them which they currently do so that is how you rebuild the economy by saying we are on your side we will give you tax breaks and we will unveil all of this closer to the election so we will come back so in terms of preparing for government the other thing we're doing is we have a website where people can give us ideas so from the military for example farmers or whatever it is and they submit ideas this goes to danny and to zia and you've got the url for that yeah i'm preparing for government.com oh wow oh i like i like that thank you so that all goes there very confident our reform you have to be don't you yeah of course um yeah but i mean that's the other thing you see which is that we have some brilliant people in this organisation.

55:10Some brilliant people who've got amazing experience. Every single one of us has had real life experience. That's the difference. We didn't do PPE at Oxford and Cambridge. None of us did. I'm a medic. Richard's run businesses. Nigel was a trader. He's been in politics for as long as we know. And Zia, he's a tech bro, wasn't he? So everyone has come from a very different background. and that's why we're different. Yeah. So there was a couple of things that quite upset me. Oh, I'm sorry. You know. It wasn't me personally. No, it wasn't you personally. And by the way, thank you. Thank you for doing this.

55:48Oh, thank you. So, you know, I've made no secret that I support reform. Oh, I didn't know, but thank you. I do. And I've become friends with Nigel since I originally interviewed him on the podcast. Just so people know my biases and they can say what they want. But the first thing that saddened me was when Elon Musk kind of turned his back on Nigel. And sort of like, Elon's very powerful, obviously. And obviously he's using his playground of X. And I felt like they were quite tight. And I really liked the idea that Elon might be in some way involved in backing reform. and then out of nowhere, just I think with the Tommy Robinson thing, which, let's be honest, Elon's not here.

56:33He doesn't really know a lot going on. Obviously, you're in the party. Did that affect you in any way? Were you a bit saddened by Elon? I was very sad, actually. Yeah. I mean, because obviously as a start-up company, having big backers is great, isn't it? And you've got to admire someone like Elon for his business. I mean, he's a complete maverick and genius all at the same time, isn't he? And the fact is that the fact he has got Teslas through to SpaceX through to whatever else, of course, it'd be much better to have him on board. I don't know what went on with the two of them. You know, did they have, you know, a couple of sherrys too much?

57:07I can't imagine eating or drinking sherry. It's a euphemism. Yes, of course. But, you know, Nigel, after a couple of gins, may have said something. He probably said something back, you know. I don't know. I don't know. But I think when, am I deeply worried about that? No, because I think he'll come back. Elon will. What, when he realises that no one else is really a serious contender? Well, yes, I do think that. And obviously there are other players where people have said, oh, these particular people are really good and wait till they form their own parties. It won't happen. So that's the second thing I want to raise.

57:44I was disappointed when Rupert, with the Rupert Lowe thing. because, you know, I like him and I think he's brave in what he says and he talks a lot of common sense. And could you give us some insight into what happened there because surely reform are more powerful with him. So I serve with Rupert in the European Parliament. I know him very well. He's very bright. You're right. He says a lot of things that I totally agree with. I don't know the ins and outs of it, but obviously he and Nigel... Are you giving me politically correct, Dan? I don't honestly know the answer, but he and Nigel clearly fell out.

58:26But you can only have one leader. Do you think Rupert wanted to be the leader then? He sees things in his way. He's very dogmatic about that. And I think he thinks things are his way or the wrong way. And I might argue the same about Nigel in some ways. So you've got two very strong characters. but there can be one leader. Is the party stronger with people who can... With Rupert? Well, is the party stronger where you can have robust discussions and everything? Of course it is. Yeah. Maybe I'm just, like, naive and nostalgic. Love Elon to come back into the fold. Love Rupert to come back into the fold.

59:13Surely these things give reform more of a chance. Like you said, this is the one chance in history, maybe. maybe for this to happen but i i've got two options right i can sit there stirring my tea thinking wistfully about rupert no you know what you can build some bridges can't you you can schmooze them up oh i'm still in talking terms with with rupert and with others but at the same tap ilana but the same time at the same time i've got 400 branches to sort out and run and do action days and get the membership up and do all of that stuff and the media and all the rest of it so So fine, all that can happen in the periphery.

59:47But I think, you know, Rupert talked about starting his own party. It's not going to happen. It's just not going to happen. And I know that because, not because I don't believe he's capable, but also it's just too expensive. Yeah. It's just, it eats money to do that. I mean, look at that. We were a tiny operation. And look, now we're on in this rather splendid, shiny building. And we are taking on more staff all the time. So we're growing all the time. And you mentioned donations at the beginning without donations. and actually the most important donations are the£10 and£20 that come from members because that shows...

1:00:19I bought my t-shirt. I've got my football top. Oh, you bought... I've got my football top. Which one did you buy? The blue one? Just the blue one. Just the blue one. You'd have pitched me the black one. You need to upgrade. We've still got a few left. Oh. Yeah. Fairly limited edition, are they? They are. Yes, they are. I think you should buy one before they all go. No. Are you sure you haven't been in sales? I'll give you a chairman's discount. All right. of one pound um good i'm glad you got that um so um a lot of this stuff is there's i don't know i think as things we we're coming through what has been quite a turbulent time but it's clear that we're doing the galley and i think danny called it didn't he the pirate ship the pirate ship reform which i thought was quite a good analogy that we you know have been battling weather and we've got our cutlasses out we're starting to turn into a galleon that's how i see it um and so those people that want to be on board are welcome to be on board and that's that well i think it is that isn't it and elon come back surely you could schmooze him up well when i next see him you know yeah when we're having a gin yeah i'll let him know yeah okay so final question then yes board meeting um the state the state of london and how sadiq khan done what is the state of london he needs to be deported um he's done no he's done a terrible job look i i've been in london since i was 18 it was a great city it is a terrible place to live he has destroyed london and actually probably the most iconic image of that is seeing tube trains with graffiti on them i haven't seen that since i was 18 yeah and the one-way systems and just he i watch him in the assembly Alex Wilson who's there for us he's so obnoxious he will not be held to account um and actually the mayor should be there for the whole of London and I don't get the sense he is and uh we need a new mayor desperately and I think we should have a reform UK mayor who would it be then well Alex Wilson would be quite up there wouldn't he he's doing a great job in the London assembly um you never know we might have a few few up our sleeve people who might want to go into it?

1:02:37Well, Ant Middleton's having a good go, isn't he? Well, he's having a good go. It's early days. Well, it's early days for lots of people. So that's a very political answer. Would you rate his chances? I don't know enough about him, to be honest. But what I do think, you want someone who loves the city, who can see what the city can bring. I mean, let's just look at, for example, the way they've cut down the nightlife in this great city, for example, the regulations, the drinking laws, all the rest of it, they've just made life very difficult to live in London. The congestion charge, the low emission zone, all of that.

1:03:10The congestion charge, by the way, electric vehicles were free, not from next year, they're not. So why? Big switch there, yeah. So it was never about that, was it? It was about revenue. But Sadiq Khan doesn't care. Sadiq Khan cares about Sadiq Khan. Wow. So where should people go if they want to look into the reform policies? Okay, so you can go to reformparty.uk and that has our website and also there'll be a part of that which will be able to show you the direction of travel of policies and as and when those policies are unveiled. And we're going to start writing those out from the beginning of January next year, then they'll all be there.

1:03:46And then where are you most, like, where do you share a lot of your expression online? Where do you mostly use? I do a lot on Twitter. Dr. David Bull. Dr. David Bull. And I'm across all socials at Dr. David Bull. Right. and then mostly having a rant on x i like to have constructive conversations on x particularly after a large cocktail is it possible to have a constructive conversation on x no no absolutely no um but and it's changed dramatically and then i write for those people who want to join the party become a member i then write to the members every sunday yes i receive that oh good and so that takes some considerable time as you know yeah um but what i'm trying to do is involve everyone and so that they understand the journey that we're doing and actually the lovely thing is people say to me all the time you must be very tired and just well I am because of course that's all I'm doing is traveling around the country um but you know it's great to meet people actually just quickly because I'll probably nick one more minute um day in the life of the chairman of the reform party busy man what do you do from 6am when you start uh get up read the papers like crazy I have this kind of exam fear every morning this goes back to being a medic where I actually have to see what's in the newspapers and then assimilate the information of the day then I'll do calls with the team then there may be media bids that come in depending on the days I'm currently on Monday and Tuesday I'm here in the office then I'm on the road I travel around the country and give speeches and lunches and fundraisers and all the rest of it and then the other sadness for me is I've been in hotels for nearly 12 months over 12 months now there is only it sounds very glamorous but they're not very glamorous and so at the end of the day pack up my suitcase and head to the next destination and i know you have to do that now david i've really appreciated this not at all it's been great fun thank you

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