Katie Hopkins Unfiltered: Prisons, Politics, The State Of The UK, and The War On Cancel Culture

28:51For sure. It was a directive. What do you think about that? Because sometimes I think, okay, well, maybe they needed to control the riots and make a few examples. I'd love to be naive. I think we're all treated fairly, but we're obviously not. Could there have been a revolution then? And then part of me thinks it's completely unfair and ridiculous and it's just a surveillance state. What do you think? Yeah, I think Lucy Connolly is absolutely correct. I think at that time they saw that those riots or the flare up could have become a nationwide riot. I absolutely think that moment was there. You know, everybody was ready.

29:25It could have absolutely become nationwide, an uprising against the government and illegals attacking our kids. So they had to take an immediate and draconian action. They let out rapists and paedophiles and the rest of it to make space. There's no way you would have got those individuals into court at that rate if it wasn't a government directive. because as you all know, the waitlist for court system is two years plus. And then for them to be sentencing individuals at the rate that they sentence them, the seriousness of the sentencing was a message out to everyone else. The same idea as I was just explaining, get your heads down, you know, fire across them, fire across them, take out, you know, some of the major players and the others will put their heads down because they don't want it happening to them.

30:08So absolutely, I think that's what Lucy got. And I think she's done very well to come out of it sane and speaking up. And I think it's right that that happened. It's absolute insanity that that's happened. The thing that gives me secret comfort is that Keir Starmer, of course, comes from the legal profession. You know, he was chief prosecutor when grooming gangs were widely ignored. The fact that the legal hierarchy no longer exists. Barristers don't exist anymore because of AI. Legal is gone. Judges even are gone. So there is a time coming where it isn't humans controlled by a government that's going to be dispensing law.

30:52So there is a future moment of hope. But I absolutely think that came directly from Keir Starmer. And some of us will just have to take the punishment. Lucy took it. The other guys took it. The guy that didn't make it out of prison that killed himself in there. Well, yeah, he didn't. He takes the punishment but didn't get to survive it. I'll take it. You know, that's just going to be the price you pay for being visible at the pointy end of things. Wow. Well, I want to come back later to if that's worth it. But also there's the Joey Barton stuff going on, isn't there? Where he's – did he get a suspended sentence?

31:27Did that happen? How did it work? Yeah, so Joey Barton called a presenter of Radio 2, who allegedly called him a bike nonce, which I think is just, I mean, if he just called him a pedo, it might have been all right. I don't know. And then he said that another black sports commentator, a female, was only there because she was fulfilling diversity criteria. And a jury found him guilty of whatever, serious harm. And so he was given a six-month sentence suspended. So a six-month prison sentence that is currently suspended to basically keep his head down so he doesn't do anything else. And what do you think about that?

32:07I mean, it's a fair punishment. It's absolutely insane. I mean, it's insane. And there's a couple of things on it. Number one, the muddying of the waters, a story long told in my life where people believe if you dislike someone, you're unable to be rational about what is the correct punishment for them. So you get a lot of people saying, well, Joey Barton's a complete wanker. Joey Barton kicked his wife in the head. Joey Barton's a complete git. So he deserves everything he gets. And it's this inability to discern, I like this person. I don't like this person. Therefore, they should go to jail.

32:43I mean, it's a crazy muddle there. But no, it's absolutely ludicrous. I'm so thrilled he's going to challenge it in the high court. I like the fact that he's been unwilling to be silenced by it. I also really admire him for saying that he's taking a break from social media, which I think is such the smartest play. So this all happens because of social media. You recognize that you've been drawn in to this sort of cycle of negativity where everyone's cheering you on. Go on, Joey. Go on, Joey. You tell him. Go on. He's a complete cunt. Go on, Joey. And all of a sudden you're the one being sentenced for six months.

33:20And all these people who are right behind you, are you? Where did you go? So you are the one guy who's going to lose his house or his money. I like the fact that he hasn't backed down. And I like the fact that he's come off social media. So that what he's going to do now going forwards is his own instincts, which is to stand up for the fact that it is not correct to be sent to prison, suspended or not, for words on a social media platform. That's where we have to get back to. We have to get back to a time where words on social media don't get you a prison sentence. Right. So 12 ,000 people a year get arrested in the UK for voicing their opinions on social media.

34:03And this is more than any other country on the planet. What do you think about that? I mean, I know, but like it seems like the UK is the worst place to share your opinion. And the UK is so litigious. So my case law that was made especially for me in the case where I called someone on Twitter, I accused someone of doing something they didn't do. I was wrong. I was in the wrong. And that should, you know, there should be consequences. There should be consequences for that. Because you can give people material loss. Right, exactly. And all of us, I would assume, would be on the same page regardless.

34:40If you choose someone of doing something they didn't do, that could cause material loss. And if you don't make that right, well, clearly there's a civil case there. As it turned out in my case, trying to make it right, trying to make amends, deleting, apologizing, offering to meet wasn't enough. And there was no need to prove consequence. So serious harm, it was sufficient to perceive that you were seriously harmed. So the person I accused of doing something that I was wrong about. What did you accuse him of doing? Defacing a war memorial. I muddled two people up. They're both weirdos. But that's not the point.

35:19I was wrong. Because she perceived serious harm, my case that cost me my home, that became law in the UK. You don't have to prove any harm. You don't have to prove consequence. You can just say you perceived you were harmed. So I can say that your beau is upsetting me and causing me trauma. Now. And that's my perception. That's enough. And that's enough. And you can bring the case. And you can ask for 20K. And if I do what most people do, I pay you 20K. Settle, yeah. Because you don't want to end up like Katie. Look what happened to her. One point, whatever it was. Well, anyway. So seven figures you lost.

35:58Yeah. Wow. Because I... Because you're stubborn? I am really stubborn. I was offered to pay 5 ,000 in an initial phase. It's 5 ,000 pounds to a refugees charity. And I wouldn't do it. Wait a minute. Now, I know we've talked about this when we first met years ago. but we can't let that go. So you ended up losing more than a million pounds. Much more. But in the early stages of that case, you could have settled by donating five grand to a charity. No. Oh. You've changed that. Okay. Please forgive me for... It was a question, really. It wasn't a statement. You've gone on BBC. You've just changed what I say.

36:37In real time, I'm watching you edit my words. We were friends. You've just accused me of being the BBC. We'll always be friends. Yeah. So, yeah, in the early phases with this person, I was offered£5 ,000 I could give her. She was still working at The Guardian at the time, so you can imagine how that would have gone. And I was at LBC and Daily Mail. And she wanted£5 ,000 for a refugee charity. And I would not pay it because I will not help fund illegals into my country. So it cost me over, it cost me my home over a million,£1.4 million. pounds because she perceived that she was serious harm seriously harmed and the law states that the damage is done at the time of publication so on twitter if you retract and delete and apologize and offer to meet and whatever else it's not enough damage is done at the time of publication so so there's no point in it then so a slippery slope began then which i tried to fight to maintain because everybody thought I was a biggest bitch in Britain.

37:41There was much jubilation of the felling of the cow. Whereas, of course, what's happened is it's been a slippery slope downwards now that we're criminalising words and you're getting two years in prison for words. And this is why it's so important to make an early stand, to try to, we have to get back to the point in the UK where words can't be criminal. You should be able to seek. But what if I incited violence? I think that was the accusation to Lucy Connolly, wasn't it? What if I start a war with my words? Well, I think the bar for that would have to be incredibly high. And I think the problem is that the bar for that metric is very nebulous.

38:26It's very hard to get your arms around something. And if you can't measure something, then how do you put the bar anywhere? How does the Crown Prosecution know if there's a case to answer? And the answer is it was never done on a merit-based metric anyway. It was Keir Starmer saying, lock them up. So it's a game. And the day you realise the law is not the law is not a happy day. Yeah, because I'm so confused and maybe because there's a part of me that's naive. But I was in Costa Coffee and this has happened twice. and someone comes in, they look homeless, and they just literally nick all the fucking sandwiches and drinks and they bugger off and people just stand there.

39:05And the first time it happened, I was like, well, why don't you do anything? We're told not to do anything and why would I? And anything under£200 that's theft apparently isn't a crime, basically. It's not a crime. It's not a crime. And what's the conviction rate of rape? I understand it's about 3 % or something ridiculously low. And people are getting knifed. It feels like a lot in London. So we're not dealing with proper crime, but we have the highest rate of arrests in the world for voicing opinions. What the fuck is going on in the UK? And it's sort of that whole metric of what's easy policing.

39:42And if you go to somewhere like you, I've spent quite a bit of time in Bradford. So if you go to Bradford, it is stark. There's the Bradford that feels very Bradford, right? It's all made up of new British people. it's a dark and strange place there's a lot of uh the guys driving around in huge vehicles they're the drug guys everybody knows them they operate out of the garages there's a lot of garages that have never seen a mechanic or a car for any other reason and there's a lot of other shops and everyone who lives around those parts knows the system knows how's it work up on the hill above Bradford is a nicer bit of Bradford nice houses quite nice people it's not about color it's just the sort of neighbourhood that happens to also be white.

40:24Police up there, speeding fines, parking fines, crimes against, you know, tippy-typey crimes. They're all over it. Anytime you want to find a police officer, get up to that little bit on the hill where everyone's very nice and getting on with their lives. Police to death because it's easy policing. It's convenient policing. You get your metrics out of issuing a few speeding fines by sitting in your car, jerky one out to some hideous, I don't know, car magazine. But down in the Badlands, where real shit's going down, it's untouchable because it's inconvenient. It's the same when you look at the examples of these huge festering turds of rubbish dumps that have sprung up, that are run by criminal gangs, right?

41:08Oh, so the Oxford one is going to get cleared up because it's in Oxford. And all the nice people are in Oxford and they'll complain. But the one that's a festering turd of a dump wherever else isn't going to be touched. I think it's Wigan. It's like the convenient policing. It's so comfy and cozy to police Twitter. And I swear they think they're so clever. These two women questioning me about my spouse comments, they honestly thought it was a proper Cagney and Lacey situation, like lesbian police women with like super tight polyester clothing because it didn't fit properly, but they just thought they were butch, you know, like hand little tasers on the waist, the little cuffs here.

41:52They'd be like, right, can you tell us why? They just felt powerful, these sturdy little lesbian police officers, like a fucking, all I could do is sit there thinking, you know, you look like a cross between a fucking prison officer and a swim coach, like bursting at the crutch, trying to concentrate on the fact that I'm supposed to be the bad guy. They seriously believe they're policing. They're not policing in any regard. But it's just convenient. It's much harder to try and police rape, much harder to police the dark lands where bad things happen. So yeah, that's what's going on. And it's why we do have to stick up for ourselves.

42:27I look forward to someone trying to steal from a shop in front of me. I'd go down fighting for that. Would you? Yeah, 100%. I mean, you can't say what you're going to do until you do it. So until you've done it, you can't really say that. But I really feel like I would get bolshy because I would be aggrieved for the good people paying for their products. Yeah, one thing I will say is, because it happened twice, the first time when I was there, because I posted on social media, it got millions of views because loads of people were like, why didn't you do anything? It happened so fucking fast. Yeah, exactly.

42:55They're fucking good at it. I mean, they've got some scoop attached to their arm and it literally just in, fridge, out. Yeah. They're fucking good at it. Oh, I can totally, when I say, oh, I wouldn't have that, I'd be standing up. I bet. And I needed my fucking coffee really fucking bad, so. I bet there's a point where you don't even know what's gone on. Like, you're literally like, what the hell? And by that point, they've gone, right? Yeah. They're fucking good. Second time? I knew what was going on, but it was still quick. Yeah. I mean, I struggled at the start of this interview to remember the name Piers Morgan.

43:28Piers Morgan. Who you'd said to me 30 seconds ago. Don't worry. So what am I going to do on a crime scene? Get the door, shut the door, lock the door, turn around, arm yourself, ideally with a can, bosh, one to the forehead. That's what I imagine. Yeah, of course you do. You know what will happen. They'll run out and I'll go, guess what, Rob? I just watched someone take the whole of Greg's. I did nothing. You know, that's the reality, isn't it? It's fast. Yeah, but the staff are told to do nothing and someone on minimum wage, I can completely understand, why would they do it? Why would they get knifed for that?

43:59But if you know it's£200, in California, I believe, someone will correct us, I believe it's$800. So you go straight into it. $800. Why work? Why not just nick$199 a day? You don't need to work. You don't pay tax on theft. You don't need to work. And that is exactly where people are at in this country is, why am I doing it? Why am I bothering? Like the grafters, trades up at five out in the van. Why am I doing this? Like, why? And I see how desperate it is to watch people just thieve stuff as well. It's not just the act. It's demoralizing that that's where we've got to. It's why I love the guy who's going around fucking spray painting pickpockets.

44:47So have you heard of him? No, tell me. Brilliant. I don't know where he's from, but he has a, it feels like maybe an Eastern European accent. So he has a little team that also help him. He has spray paints about his possession. He knows the pickpockets. I don't know if he used to be one. I'm not suggesting he did, but to know one. You've got to know the game. You've got to know the game. And he knows where they operate and how. And he goes up and he sprays them, sprays their face, their hands with a massive air. You've got to have a look. He's a great guy. And he does it because he's so tired of watching people be victims.

45:21He's standing up for people. And he's getting loads of donations, obviously. People applaud him. And what a guy. Right. And I think that's what we'll see and are already seeing. What, people taking the responsibility to... I mean, there's already neighbourhood patrols going along. There's already security services for certain groups of individuals. You know, spending quite a bit of time in South Africa with the farmers, they had a very, very well-established patrol network going for the farms with a radio system, two men on each night on stag, and then a radio checking in on all the farms, checking in in the morning to check everyone was safe.

45:56Right. It's not too far to see a leap from where we are to how people need to protect themselves. Yeah, wow. All right, so I'm going to go against my better judgment and the algorithms, and I'm going to be positive with this question. What can we do about all this? So what are the solutions? Is it Mayor Giuliani style, you know, starting right at the low level crime and having a hard line? Is there anyone in the UK political system that has the strength to deal with these issues? What can we do as solutions to making broken Britain unbroken? Yeah, solutions I love. I have many answers, which is good, because I think many people would have zero answers.

46:38Firstly, if we just talk about reform briefly, I believe that directionally we're headed in the right direction with reform. So back to military speak. If you don't know exactly what you're doing or don't know exactly the plan, then your purpose as any leader is to direct the troops in the direction we loosely need to be going in with some level of confidence, even if you haven't got it. And then you can course correct nearer the time. So I would say to anybody who has a beef with reform, like, oh, but Nigel's not sincere. Oh, look what he did to Rupert Lowe. Oh, this problem, that, but I don't like Zia Yusuf.

47:14Okay, fine. Look what he might have said 480 years ago at school. Yes, one time he was at school and he accidentally, you know, broke someone's recorder. Oh, my God. Well, I won't vote for him. Then I'll vote Labour. I would say directionally reform, excellent. Definitely vote reform. Also, don't ask yourself what's wrong with them. Ask what your choices are. Because the choice is that or what. What's your better solution? And if they say Ben Habib, advance, fine. He'll be an outrider. He'll help to course correct reform on his outrider motorbike. Good. So the answer is vote reform at the next election.

47:47Put away your complaints, your mithering, your blithering about Nigel, whatever. Put it away. Get a grip. The next thing that's really important is, I think, individual action. I totally agree with you that if someone nicks something in a shop, as much as I go, right, I'm going to do this, do this, twat him in the nuts, can him on the head, I can be the hero of the day. Reality is two minutes later, you'll be like, what the just happened? but individuals standing up I think very important if you are able capable you see someone else getting it or getting their phone nicked and you can do something bloody do it that's my advice what about um is his name Ahmed in the Australian shooting what a legend I mean and the two before him that lost their lives trying to wrestle the gun off they both got shot point blank range Wow.

48:34I mean, look how that has mobilised and lifted people. Everyone's sharing it. I saw Bill Ackman wanted to do a GoFundMe and pump millions in. You just need one person to do something strong and maybe heroic on an ordinary person's level. I mean, the energy really changed. I loved seeing X flooded with the support for him. Brilliant. Exactly that. That just made all of my little hairs on my arms stand on end. And so, but I think it doesn't have to be a Bondi Beach guy with a weapon, right? So just one person today, there's something, someone, if you saw something, can I get that for you? Can I help you with that?

49:15One act of something. It doesn't have to be a bravery act. It could just be, oh, that's a bit shit. I'm going to sort that out. Sort one thing out. that there's a real, it's not about being seen to do it. No one needs a phone out to show that you did it. You'll know you did it. And there's something really good about that. So, um, you know, I can do three or four things this morning on the way here and that you'll feel like I'm ready. And you're looking like I'm always looking, looking to check where people are. Cause I'm conscious of people around me for obvious reasons. The other thing that I think is really important is purpose.

49:51So one of the things that doesn't get spoken about, because the algorithm likes us to be negative, is we can say, why do I bother? Look at them all. Or I listened to someone who's just read the Daily Mail. Look, they just get it all for free, doing nothing. What is the purpose? What is the point? Why do I? But of course, that isn't true. Because without purpose, as humanity, we have nothing. We are nothing. Purpose is what's always, we used to be motivated by the purpose of feeding ourselves in a literal sense, surviving the next day. And now we have to be motivated by something equal and bigger.

50:27You have to have purpose. Otherwise you don't thrive. So the answer to why do I bother is because you must, because you have to for your very survival and for your kids' survival to see that you have purpose. Right. And that makes me feel happy. And then the other thing, finally, is I cannot tell you how lucky I am to be doing what I do now at this time because I get to do a lot of uplift. What I typically bring on a daily basis is mockery of myself, mockery of the system, mockery of others, trying to find the fun, right? And it brings a laugh. and that is partly what people need to do now as well is look after yourself and try and make sure you stay okay you have to kind of that's an effortful thing effort filled on a daily basis am I all right how do I help lift myself up and that's kind of my purpose at the moment is that whole it's going to be all right and look at us and we're amazing and we're brilliant and look how much laughter you can bring you know there's a guy I got off the train and the train manager came legging it down the platform gave me a massive cuddle and went I believe in you and I went right good and then walked off and then had to do up my shoelace so like there's the you know there's there's that thing of it can be good I went over there was a band at Paddington playing Christmas carols so I donated to them and then a guy came up and shook my hand and went keep going so I just there's nothing but goodness in the day today the lady at the dance desert reception super fun super nice lady at the coffee shop came and had a photo it's not about the me thing it's look at all the points of light here like five before nine in the morning the world is really awesome and the more you can get away from online the more we get in person the more we return to purpose-filled human contact.

52:30I think we all start to recover. I think we're all in recovery, actually, from the addiction. I've always wanted something I'd love to do at a school or somewhere. I'd love to get a set of, well, actually any number of people, but particularly kids, and get a vodka bottle and a rum bottle and take people's phones to those bottles and make them for a week carry that. Because I think that awakening of seeing what the addiction level is actually like in a way that we recognise addiction would be very helpful, a very visual way of seeing the addiction problem we've got. And you could argue, and I would agree, that I'm part of the problem because my stuff is on social media a lot.

53:17So surely I'm just perpetuating the problem. Well, it was all positive until that point. Yeah, well, I have to level some criticism myself. And obviously that was very positive and empowered. And we'll have to edit that out because it's not negative enough. No, thank you for sharing that. I agree. What's that saying that I do really love and that be the change you want to see in the world? Maybe some people think that's a little bit trite. but um i think if you do these little things that that butterfly effect could really kick off and also if if you get to the end of the day and feel good about yourself because of maybe a few little difficult things that you did that weren't easy and they maybe made a small difference but they made a difference yeah i think that's a very positive message i think so i think someone like you and other people who employ people like if you go home at night and you've managed to keep someone else in a job that's epic like you may not get recognition from that from the government in fact you might get penalized to do more national insurance of course you might be made to feel like it's a mistake employing people but actually the opposite is true the truth is you've also helped someone else get through the day there should be enormous credit for that and all of this stuff i'm saying you'll say yeah that's airy fairy it's all very well it doesn't fix anything i believe it does it fixes unemployment it fixes ourselves if you fix yourself that's a really good starting points.

54:44And of course, there's very hard things anyone could say. Do I think a bunch of people need to get kicked out of the country? Sure. Would I have the Navy in the channel? Sure. Have I always said that for 10 years? Sure. But you can only say the same thing for so much before you get bored of it yourself. But I do think fixing yourself, doing one good thing, being ready to be the hero if you can be. Silver has crashed. It's back to its price in 1974. And I'm going to buy more. And if you'd like to learn how to invest and build multiple streams of recurring income, I recommend you join money.school.

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55:50Now I want to be. No. Have you been? No. Not at all? So the only thing I came to was my so my first husband Damien is that his real name or is that what you've named no no that's his real name yeah I know I know but true true true also there was a warning you know given at birth as it turned out and he was way older than me maybe 20 years older than me and I stole him from someone else so you know before anyone feels any degree of sympathy for me have none. And we were going to get married, got married. And everybody knew apparently that it was never going to last that whole, I'll give it a year, eight months or we lasted.

56:34Dreadful. But then a secretary in the company, he went off with the secretary, which what goes around comes around, right? Suck it up, sunshine. He moved her over to our, my apartment in Manhattan. And she mailed my stuff back to me from my home in Manhattan. And I rang her because I had two children under the age of two, I rang her and asked for my husband back. And because I thought it was the right thing to do for my children, because stable family unit, blah, blah, blah, good Methodist upbringing. And she said, no, she said, I have choices. So that's the closest thing to blackmail that I can think of, is someone taking your husband and refusing to give him back.

57:19Did you really want him back? No, yeah. In hindsight, of course, I realised that was hugely stupid and people would sit there tut-tutting saying, how ridiculous. But at the point that you're on your own with two little tiny children and you think, shit, I'm going to have to explain to them at some point where your dad went. I'd rather just suck it up on their behalf. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible, really, the decisions we make when we're... We make many flawed choices, I think. I certainly have, obviously. I've been fired from everything I've ever done. Why don't you keep quiet then? Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

57:53And that's why, you know, that's a really great, great question to always ask. I mean, you'd be richer if you wouldn't be. £1.4 million wouldn't have gone off too. And if you'd have invested that well in the magnificent seven-stop market, you'd be a billionaire by now, wouldn't you? So, yeah, I mean, that's always my own antidote to myself. Any time that I'm sharing something, obviously, like being arrested or not, going in to be interviewed under caution by Devon and Cornwall Police, my sort of antidote to myself is, yeah, so you could have shut up. So you could have shut up. And that's always true.

58:29Everyone is right. Or if they think, well, why don't you just shut up, you old hag? Aren't you dead yet? Well, no, I wouldn't say that. No, no, but people will say that. Yeah, but I wouldn't. But do you not ever think before, oh, this could get me in trouble, oh, maybe I can do something else? Back in the day, I used to think, oh, this isn't going to go well for me. And sometimes press launch, you know, throw the grenade. And this was particularly true when I was employed, which is a useful thing for many people to be employed. So when I had an LBC job, you know, that's pretty hardcore in terms of a discipline, regimen, Ofcom regulated, bosses, layers of structure, management, hierarchy, people to answer to, Daily Mail.

59:11I mean, you don't even want to, no one would want to know what it's like to actually try and work inside those organ. It's brutal. So you don't piss those employers off because they'll do you every day. But since becoming more of a working for myself person, I now sort of crossed the Rubicon, which I think happened when I survived my massive surgery for my brain that has made me a spaz is I've crossed the Rubicon into this new territory where it doesn't matter now it doesn't matter what they do okay let me ask you one thing on that yeah look what happened to Charlie Cook yes so maybe oh for sure no that's always been did that not make you worry slightly that could be you oh that's always been I mean that's been since forever land for the last certainly for the last 25 years when did the jihadi threat happened for you yeah when was that that was so back in the old house before i lost it so must have been at the height of my powers in terms of lbc mail online i would say 10 years ago i want to say that was a very very real because that was practiced with a knife the men coming into my house to set up alarms around my house patrol units around my house that was a imminent threat to life but i've always felt that if i was going to go down taken out by someone beyond on the street.

1:00:32And I've always, I always feel like that will happen still. I still would imagine. You think you're going to get assassinated? I would imagine. You just imagine you're, I don't imagine being old. I didn't imagine living this long. But you have to accept that at any point, if someone chose to, they can remove you permanently. But I definitely don't have fear about that. You see how I walk around. I don't have any security. I've never had security. So I don't have any fear. Why stroke how? Do you not have any fear? None. Because I was at age 28, a seizure from my epilepsy. I used to be a massive epileptic.

1:01:09Seizure would kill me within two years, I was told. So 28, 31, I got my big surgery and lived and I'm functioning at some capacity. So I'm well overdue my time. I saw that the edge, the periphery of the end somewhere in that little dark patch in my life. And it was very, very, very calm. You know, to the point Lovely Mark was getting me to record messages for the children. It wasn't looking lightly at survival. It was very calm. And I know the end is super calm. Some of my best days have definitely been on morphine with a catheter. So I will just add that for anyone. If you've got end of life or terminal, do not be afraid of it because catheter, morphine fucking happy days.

1:01:54I'd do that every week if I could. If there was an all-inclusive that involved catheters and morphine, I'd sign up tomorrow. And also because I just feel really, really alive, like more so now than ever. Because I have lived through, endured, been properly annihilated. And now I'm able to walk the streets, be around people happy to see you and I've got this joy thing. I just don't even know. I don't even know how I got to be alive to be doing this bit. I never thought this, I would get this bit. So I'm so, I'm so excited. And because I've seen the win, I know most people feel like this is the worst time ever, but I've seen the win coming for five years.

1:02:42This is one of the best times ever because it's coming. What's coming? Oh, just good times. Good times. This, you have to have a winter before the spring. You have to be forced to the point where there is an uprising. There is a complete change. There is a 180 in direction. It has to come. And I know we'll lose people. We'll lose people to suicide. We'll lose people to Eastern Europe. We'll lose a load of people to Dubai. We'll lose people to America. But there is this core of Britain that is great. It is butchers with machetes, and I am here for it. And so I just feel like in a non-preachy Jesus way, I just feel joy to be still here.

1:03:29And I love it. And I know lovely people. For all I say about you and what everyone else says about you being a wanker, You're a bloody genius. Oh, thank you. You are. And that's true of so many people. And I love it. Humans are awesome. And that's why when people talk about AI, tech, the algorithm, nothing will ever beat British people having a laugh together. You can't beat it. No other country has our sense of humour or Britishness. And we're this teeny, teeny pissy island. You know, anytime you're feeling a little morose, just look at the world map look at us we're this little gnats bite on the arse of nothing and yet British people are magnificent do you feel like you're cancelled because I know intimately because of what we experienced with one of the venues I know that you can't get in many venues now I'm sure there's loads of media you just you can't get anywhere near do you feel like we have free speech and do you feel like you're cancelled or because you've got a few of your own channels fuck them you because you know you've still got a really big following where do you sit on that yeah so doing these stand-up tours I've learned something really important which I've always believed so I used to say on Twitter or whatever followers like my path so people would say why don't you follow anyone you arsehole you you narcissistic bigoted cow you don't follow anyone because you don't listen.

1:05:02Opposite true. Watch what your followers are saying. Listen very carefully and quietly. The audience will tell you, will inform everything, which is why LBC worked so brilliantly because I could have people call me from their kitchens on a Sunday and they would whisper to me on the radio like they were sharing secrets. But it was being informed at an almost one-to-one level about where the country's at. And it's true with stand-up or whatever this is I do in theatres, that audience inform everything. You walk in that room and it is amazing. You can, people just remember what it feels like to belong.

1:05:41And the fact that these theatres that will have me and have held firm, this is now, so for my next tour, Free Range, these theatres on this list are the only theatres in the UK that will have me, that are loyal, have held firm. And even a number of these I've had to fight for like a frickin' bitch fighting to mate to get them to hold. So there's 25 venues, 24 because there's a TBC. So there's 24, 25 venues on here. So you're saying they're pretty much the only 25 in the UK that will have you. Yes. And I challenge, that's a direct challenge to a theatre or anyone. Not someone who knows a theatre.

1:06:23We don't need, have you tried the blah, blah, blah? Believe me, we've tried. If you're a theatre manager and you want to contradict me, I'm all ears. Landlord at katiesarms.com. These are the only theatres in the whole of the five nations that will allow me to perform and will withstand minimal pressure from people who had no intention of coming anyway. So when theatres say we're struggling, we're so difficult to stay alive, we can't keep going, we need donations. No, stop being the moral arbiters of what other people can listen to. Open your doors and let people decide with their feet. That's my only ask.

1:07:03So I want to shout out the coin exchange in Stanford because it's just down the road from me. Come on. Yeah, it's the posher village outside Peterborough. It's posh. And we've had to fight really hard to make sure we've got the dates we were promised and we have. Right. So we're delighted with that. And one date is already sold out. So the point about the free range tour is it is an opportunity for people to come together. It is an opportunity to be in a room of people. It doesn't matter what you think, what you believe, what color you are, where you come from, your religion doesn't matter. You will remember how it feels to belong, to rock up at the bar and everyone go, you all right?

1:07:38You all right? Yeah, yeah. It'd be in the queue for the toilets and everyone talk. It's old school, amazing feeling. And you will come out of there remembering like to have hope. It gives, it'll give you hope. And I love it. I love it. And it's called the free range tour. Yeah, my mother said, well, I hope you're going to tell them. And I was like, what? I hope you're going to tell them, what, about the chickens. What? Well, not all the free range ones are okay. Some of them have damaged knees. I was like, mum, that is not going to be the subject of the tour. But it is the subject of the tour.

1:08:08No, it's just free range as in, say what the hell I want, you know, the normal rip them to part, rip myself to part, overshare everything and laugh. laugh and what I love is that people brought their husbands who didn't have any clue who I was you know and then they they loved it more than their wives or people that brought their so 90 year olds and 19 year olds typically we always make sure we make a fuss of them so there's granddad with the grandson and um and then always a really strong showing from studying little lesbians I pull a really why do you think why do you think you pull a lot of lesbians in I don't know why I have such a strong little lesbian pulling.

1:08:47I think it's because people think I go down there like a deep sea diver on an oil rig or something. I'm supposed to be a serious entrepreneur, Katie Hopkins. I know, but when faced with a muff diving specialist, your beard would, you know, I'm sure. Velcro. There's been a lot that's happened in that beard, I'm sure. I've had experiences with beards. Fantastic. Anyway, back to the question. Are you cancelled? It's a funny one, isn't it? Because people say, how are you cancelled? You've got the biggest gob I know and I can't move for hearing you. I would say I was cancelled. I would say I was beaten to the ground, stomped on, had everything taken.

1:09:31And admittedly, a lot of it can be my fault or blamed on me. But God, I was thoroughly, thoroughly fucked and destroyed to the point that the only way out would be to swing. and to be as back as I am. I can't say I'm cancelled now. But I can say to struggle to try and do this, this is a battle to fight back for stages for other people to perform on. The push, calling myself a spaz, is not just about, oh, I got a quick laugh out of that. There's no monetisation in that for me. People think you get paid for doing things online. I don't get any money from my Instagram. It's not about that. I'm trying to make that space so other people can walk a bit or think a bit.

1:10:17So that's my job, I think. My job is being that frigging icebreaker going through or the bulldozer. And that's how I see myself. And eventually a bulldozer has to break down. I just hope if I go out, I do want to go out in a blaze of glory. You want an honourable death, do you mean? Oh, God, yeah. I definitely want to go out. How? straddling a jihadi, you know, if he's going to detonate himself, detonate me as well. Like, I'm not saying I'm going to go and get 72 virgins. And I honestly would never want to sleep with a virgin anyway. I'm just saying, don't let me dwindle to a sad demise when I'm 70 and doubly incontinent and don't know who I am.

1:11:01How do you feel that the shooter in Australia wasn't kicked out of Australia, but you were kicked out of Australia? How does that make you feel? So I personally completely blame Albo and the Australian government for the massacre of Jewish people on the beach in Bondi. Albanese and the government in Australia are as guilty as the two shooters in Australia. The Australian government should be prosecuted for crimes against the Australian people. And all those who are complicit in the government should be tried for crimes against the Australian people. Australian people want that government removed.

1:11:50They want them out. And they want Australia first. And they want the first rule of any government. The first thing you should do is protect your citizens. And they failed to do that. and quite frankly as much as the guy who wrestled the gunman is a hero that's not enough because you get the trite stuff then saying oh yes but the hero was a Muslim yes I know that doesn't mean the two gunmen should have been in the country I was deported from Australia much more than that I had my visa cancelled much more than that I was charged with a crime that was made up fabricated crime. I had my visa cancelled.

1:12:29I was told I'd be taken to illegal immigration. I was deported from the country. And yet they continually import people who wish nothing but harm on the Australian peoples. So the government are absolutely complicit and always have been. Wow. And what do you think of the UK government and how Labour are doing? So the UK government are also complicit in the annihilation of British people. They will oversee the greatest shrinkage of traditional British people, I think, of any era. They've incentivised dependency. They want everyone dependent on the state. They want everyone to be paid up by the public sector.

1:13:14So they are totally and utterly controlled. and the next time they shut down the country, people will be totally controlled because they're totally dependent. So they are wiping out all independent thought. So this isn't just socialism, this is communism then? This is communism. Control of the judiciary, control of the individual. As in the 800-year law of a jury system, they're going to wipe out pretty much. And judges controlled by what Keir says or the government says. The increase in public sector. Never seen at a greater rate than now. Public sector pay increasing at greatest rate ever. Benefit system increasing.

1:13:53Make people dependent. It's what the Democrats do in America as well. The more you make people dependent, the easier they are to control. And do you think the digital ID is all a big part of that? I think anything they can do to force digital ID, they will do. It will be here. It is going to be compulsory. And the only way you're going to escape it is by moving to countries where it isn't going to be. Why do you stay here then? I can't. No one will let you in. Yes. Well, yeah, I'm banned from South Africa. I'm banned from Australia. How many countries are you banned from? Only, well, two plus a bit of Wales.

1:14:26Oh. So two and a half. Yeah. That I know of. Right. But then again, if I tried to go to New Zealand, not sure I'd get a visa. So there's countries I haven't tried. I mean, I would always move to countries that didn't lock down. So South America is always a very good bet because countries where people have to work in order to survive, they don't mess with those people. So you'll find home amongst people who have returned to a more fundamental state of being. There seems to be mass hysteria about this flu at the moment. Is this going to be a COVID round two? Is this another test of us? The COVID cuntarati are out in full force again.

1:15:02You see them getting all excited with their face masks on as they go into the supermarket, flicking their nipples at the thought that maybe they'll get to hand sanitise their trolley handle when they go into Aldi. Maybe they'll get to a queue or a sticky circle around the side of Sainsbury's or Waitrose because only clean people go to Waitrose. So we're only shopping in Waitrose now. Maybe they'll get themselves a little flag and they can go outside and put a little flag up, saving the NHS from the super flu. Does it have a fucking cape? Does it have a special uniform? Because it's the super flu.

1:15:33Are they going to go out and pound their pots and pans again? Are they going to go out and maybe have a cello quartet, you know, on a Thursday night at eight o 'clock? Will that save people? Did they get their flu booster? Did they get the COVID booster? And if they did get it, why do they need someone else to take it as well? Those people are back and they are loving it, I'm telling you. Does it worry you? What I'm amazed by is that the COVID cuntarati have not learned. They're back in full force again. Now they're the super flu fuckwits. COVID cuntarati morphed in this latest variation to super flu fuckwits.

1:16:10You would think you could only take a sheep up the arse once. But no, you can keep buggering that sheep until it's so full of vaccines, it's got no fucking blood left in its system. People are morons. Fucking hell. Yeah, they're back, man. They're back. And I've heard them. See, I listen. Public transport for me is one of my favourite. I sit there like a little siphoning thing, siphoning in conversations. and I hear them saying, well, I've got my flu jab and I've had my shingles jab and I've got my vaccine booster. And did you see, Margaret says she's only shopping at Waitrose because it's cleaner.

1:16:49They're 98 years old, these fuckers. I mean, I don't want to, you know, break the news to them. But how much longer do they think they've got? What's the mask protecting them from death? Fucking hell, love. 98. How much longer do you think you've got?

1:17:06is x really a free speech platform x is now controlled by the algorithm so we will feed you what it thinks you want to hear which means it's not a free speech platform that kind of sounds against what elon musk is about ultimately you know i love elon musk as we know i have offered to blow elon like did on our last show yeah yeah no i did it on twitter and he responded did he so i offered to blow him like a trumpet if he fixed the algorithm and uh he he admired my um dedication to getting the algorithm fixed fixed and he said he'd work on it so i'm just waiting to be invited for band practice with elon but uh yeah free speech but you know he is a tech bro at heart Come on, he's a genius.

1:17:58So the algorithm, AI is his whole world. What he doesn't have is emotion and a human emotion necessarily at the forefront. So no, I would say, of course, X has been so delightful bringing people back and making it a place where people like me can speak. But now it's controlled by an algorithm. It is not technically, for me, a free speech platform. I preferred the model where your followers followed and you had an audience that you created and built. And what do you think of Tommy Robinson? You know, Tommy Robinson, if I, you know, I'm so happy to have lived this long. One of the things I'm so proud of to have lived to see was Tommy Robinson's Unite the Kingdom rally in September this year.

1:18:48And if I could have had a list. The one with 100 ,000 people in it. Only three people turned up, I heard. I I mean, I don't know, according to the Guardian. In fact, it was just me. I was just there on my own. So if I could have only lived or given a choice to see two or three things, you know, that rally that day, I'm just so, so proud of what he did. And just to be very clear, the actual rally itself, amazing. But the stuff beforehand, for him to pull that off, the amount of he got pushed back from the original venue, he got told he couldn't have it by the London Westminster whatever authority, I don't deal with these people.

1:19:25He had entire groups working to make it happen. The setup, the rig, the screens. I don't know if people know about sound. Sound is the most difficult thing to get right. And theatres particularly. Theatres that are dedicated to having audiences. Sound can be a nightmare. He got sound to happen in the middle of London on a chaotic day. He got a live link with the most powerful, arguably man on the planet, certainly the richest man. And he was able to sustain a live convent. I mean, it is unfathomable. But to come down that day, I'd done a show in Skeggy the night before, Skeg Vegas. I got on a train.

1:20:05I don't even know, I hadn't been to bed, seven in the morning. As I walked on the train, the whole train erupted, all our people, all the way down, our people got off the train. Well, a guy had to wake me up, actually, embarrassingly, it was disgusting. And I got off the train, every single train, unloading people, our people, every single bridge, every road. I mean, so emotional to see the capital city like that. And so that to me will always be whatever happens with Tommy, that is the biggest tribute. There's only one man that could have pulled that off that day, and it is Tommy. And even in the little moments, so walking next to him, you know, there was one point where the crush was real.

1:20:51Like luckily Ant Middleton was on hand with his mighty cock to save me. I mean, not that I rubbed up against it on purpose or anything, but there was a moment in that crush and Tommy was still, there was a security were trying to clear the path and Tommy who was still going gentle, gentle. There are people steady because security obviously saw the threat and were getting a bit feisty. He was calling them to be gentle with people. And those moments to me, I'll never be able to adequately articulate what a formidable and brilliant moment he created in British history. And I think he will always go down in British history as a sort of a Robin Hood for the people, a people's favourite.

1:21:39My son came home from school and said, Dad, there are 58 genders. How many genders do you think there are? There are two genders, male and female. Now, last time I asked you that, we lost our TikTok account and got tens of millions of views. So are there not two sexes, but as many genders as one wants? There are two biological sexes. There are also two genders, male and female. That is the end of it. It is the beginning of it and it is the end of it. And to all children, anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you. There are only two. It does not mean that we cannot be great friends with people who believe otherwise.

1:22:29There are many people out there who believe many things. You can believe, if you like, that you're a sausage. But if you chop the legs off a dog, it doesn't make it a sausage now, does it? You can believe that you're now Brenda when you used to be Brian. You may have your cock tucked so neatly between your legs that your vagina is higher and tighter than mine will ever be, but it still doesn't make you a woman. My flange at this point is headed south. People accuse me of being trans. I'm not, but these days I do have to decide which way to dress. I have to pick left or right. I would argue that my issues with my sexuality are greater than those people who say they identify as trans.

1:23:14There is no such thing as trans. There are people who are mentally unwell and children, if you're going to listen to anyone, listen to Auntie Katie. Two biological sexes, two genders. That's probably going to cost you your fucking Instagram account. I was just thinking the same. Do you still hate fat people? I never hated fat people. I never hated them. I am proud. If you're a chamba wamba, you want to shove your face in the fridge and eat the whole goddamn thing. I applaud you. If it makes you happy, it helps you get through the day. We've all got a vice. I drink red wine. But I don't think anyone who's really fat is really happy, are they?

1:23:52I used to be fat. I was very unhappy about that. Some people say that they're fat and happy. Fair play to them. Are they though? I don't know. It's not my business, not your business. If you're fat and you just want to be that way, go for it. I noticed that many people who said they were body positive. I'm so body positive. But the minute that Monjaro came along, oh, you weren't so body positive anymore. You were just scared of losing weight. Now you can inject yourself in the arse. Suddenly you're not body positive anymore. Have you seen Lizzo right now? Lizzo used to be fucking 55 times the size of her flute, right?

1:24:20She made that flute look like a fucking piccolo. But since she's been on Monjaro, suddenly the flute's grown because she's got so much smaller. So I had nothing against fat people. It did piss me off if fat people weren't accountable for it. You're fat because you're fat. It's not because you've got big bones and it's not because it runs in the family. Because let's face it, nothing ever fucking ran in your family. That's why you're fat. So it's about ownership. And the problem with the NHS is it takes away accountability. and it takes away ownership. Oh, I've got type 2 diabetes. No, you're just a fat cunt.

1:24:51Oh, I need a new hip. Well, then pay for it yourself. You paid for enough chocolate bars, buy your own fucking hip. That kind of thing. It's been really nice to be on social media. Say goodbye. These nearly 20. Goodbye to Rob's Insta. Goodbye to... No, it's okay because you're not saying it, I am. Well, no, it's not. But because obviously I get taken down. I don't give a fuck. No, maybe it's a blessing. Maybe if you're not supposed to be there, it's a way of freeing yourself to be in public places more. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Like, I don't care. One thing I want to challenge, though, and this isn't you, but fat and happy, well, then why would they take the jab if they were happy?

1:25:35And do they really know the consequences of these jabs that are suppressing your hunger? So that's, I mean, this is so interesting, and it's a conversation that's not been had is the lie of fat and happy and the lie of body positivity. And no one has yet challenged these people because what they actually did, the body positivity movement, did the same thing as the trans movement. It makes it acceptable. It gives you a comfortable place to inhabit instead of dealing with your actual issue. So instead of dealing with the fact that you've got a weight problem or a weight issue, it tells you, oh no, you're body positive.

1:26:21And then it gives you a comfortable place to stay harmed. You are harmed and you need help. But instead they are kind of taking you captive and holding you hostage in a place where you are harmed. That's very dark. And that's precisely true with people who believe they're a different gender or a different biological sex or whatever you believe. It doesn't matter. To me, you are harmed. You need help. In a really helpful, positive, I mean that kindly. But these people are holding you hostage, saying, no, it's okay to believe what you believe. It's okay that you believe that you're a dog today or a rabbit or a furry.

1:27:01They're being held hostage in this place of mental unwellness. And because our society has held hostage to these people, you can't call it out, although it's starting to be called out. And what Monjaro did for me, it's not a fat jab, it's actually an erosion of the ability of the body positive movement to hold people hostage because the fat jab has acted like a hole in a dam where they're starting to trickle out and the trickles become a flood and suddenly, oh no, I didn't want to be fat. Oh no, I don't want to be huge. Oh, I feel so much better, smaller. So the fat jab has been able to bust through the lunacy of body positivity.

1:27:50What we don't know, and obviously what I fear, is the actual effects of injecting yourself to lose weight. And people are being sold a lie. They're being sold that it suppresses your appetite, which sounds very okay. That's okay, then I just eat a bit less. That's not what is actually happening. This is, you know, it's a diabetes medication to do with insulin. And I know that it's not just about suppressing, that's the line they use to market it. So I think that downstream of this, we're going to see bad fallout and women are already talking about it and men. But I think that the fat jabs have definitely done a huge favor in eroding the hold that the body positivity mafia had over people.

1:28:40and I think one of the other things that's become very clear to my audiences in this tour that we just did there's a bit where we did about fat staff and anybody on Monjaro and people would willingly volunteer because they knew they were amongst friends how much have you lost three stone do you feel better hell yeah I feel better and the audience would applaud is it gave a lot of people the fat job has given a lot of people a good feeling about themselves and there's a real truth in that isn't it people want to feel better about themselves in order to be able to cope with the world you need to feel better about yourself and I guess that's always been my kind of message even with my fat story when I put on four stone on purpose the kind of message that really came out of that in the end was if you feel a bit better about yourself you are a bit more capable of dealing with things that are tough because life is tough enough um so yeah I I think the fallout from from the fat jab will be bad what's the state of feminism right now I think feminism is having a strong comeback.

1:29:42I'm excited for strong feminism, the sort of feminism that I've always kind of liked to stand for, which is women taking control of their own lives, being ballsy in their own damn way, whether you're a sturdy little lesbian, whether you're getting married for the third time, age 70, women on their own terms, being as happy as they can be. that struck me as kind of the ultimate feminine ideal and the idea that we aren't going out there being feminine wanting stuff because we're a girl so I don't want special treatment because I'm a girl I don't want to need to cry to get what I want because I'm a girl I don't want to complain that I haven't got a job because I'm a girl or I've been treated differently but because I'm a girl if I can't get that job well maybe I'm too much this for you but on my terms I'm going to find what makes me happy.

1:30:29And I think that kind of strong feminism is really back. I think attractive women being strong in their own way, strong parents, strong mother, strong whatever is back. And I love that you can be, you know, this strong woman who lives really kind of what would be seen as a weird life and that be seen as really strong. And we don't need to fit into this, oh, she's a power woman because she has a job and she looks after the home and she's married. It's not that model anymore. It's just being happy, being a woman and cracking on. And I just love that. And this whole needing to be the ugly bitch feminazi, that's gone.

1:31:10Thank God. That whole guardianista feminazi 2.0 where you just was like, what the O stands for? Oh, my fucking God, is that really a woman? You know, the ugly biatch thing. I'm strong feminist. Could all men hate me? Or, oh, I'm a lesbian because I had no choice. because men didn't want to come near me. You know, that's gone. And I'm starting to hear, very good sign, a businessman would start to hear, I don't know, orders coming in. But I'm starting to hear the click clack of heels on pavements again. And that's joy to my ears. Because for too long, I know I've got flat shoes on, but I have got heels in my bag.

1:31:50For too long, women have worn flat shoes and the clickety-clack of heels. I find heels incredibly erotic. If I was a man, I would totally want to bang someone in heels. So I'm going, I think that might be my new thing for 26, actually. I might be the heels movement. Also, it's really hard to be fat in heels. Right? And what's the state of masculinity right now? Oh, well, masculinity. I went through a very upsetting, deeply upsetting phase. Kids going off to university, the hands getting ever softer, blokes wanting to go into programming or tech. You know, my concern always just this sort of soy, asexual male, and I still see them out with asexual women and I find it to be utterly repugnant, but I've seen the rebirth.

1:32:38Maybe it's because I work near farmlands, I have a farmer for a daughter, surrounded by a lot of farming, But also at my shows, you know, a good kind of chunk of my audience, about 30 % of my audience are young blokes, which is obviously completely understandable. But young lads now turning out with their ladmates at my shows. 18, 19 year old lads who can do stuff, men stuff, fix stuff. I am so excited. You see the level of erotica I've reached. The sadness for me is that I went from MILF, which your viewers might need explaining, mother I'd like to fuck, or is it mummy? I don't know. I saw the other day on my feed, GILF, which I thought, oh, girl, okay, that's cool.

1:33:22Girl, I'd like to fuck. It's not, it's granny. I've gone from milf to gilf, which is either that my audience have gotten much younger or I've got a fuck ton older. At least I've still got the ilf, but you've got to hold on to that. But I believe strong, strong males are back. I see it coming. And women know what nature dictates certain things about women. So if you move away from the ugly feminazis who want a soy that can't ever have a kid because we're never going to have a kid because we might have to share our fucking egotistical lives. If you go back to women who are gorgeous and attractive and know what they want, they want a bloke who can mend a car, climb a ladder and has a huge cock.

1:34:06I mean, these were fundamentals throughout time. But after the car was invented. What's your biggest mistake or regret? Oh.

1:34:20Golly. Regret. I honestly, I don't, I don't know about regret. I don't know about regrets, you know, like shame or guilt or regret. They're all like huge. They're things like, you know, people carry them around, like, you know, like, oh, here's my shame and here's my regret and here's, you know, my self-pity. And they carry them round and they just weigh you down, right? So I try not to think like that. I definitely don't get shamed. Someone said the other day, you know, aren't you the woman that banged a married man in an open field? Yes, I was. Yes, thank God. And if you look at that picture, I look hot as hell.

1:35:09Glory be for that girl. But mistakes, oh, my God. I've made more mistakes than I've made smart choices. Biggest one? My biggest regret is that I don't have my radio show. My biggest, what would I do anything for now? Would I give up everything to have my radio show back? Yeah. Why don't you launch your radio show? No, it's not the same thing. No, you could say what you want. You'd have full autonomy. No, I don't want that. You'd be unsackable. Yeah, I want my radio show. I want to travel up on a Saturday night. I want to stay across the town where I walk and walk and walk so I pick up how London feels.

1:35:54I want to walk back across the bridge at 5.30 into LBC Studios at 6. And I want to do the three hours prep for my show, feeling the place, being inside the heart of the devil, knowing that everyone in that place hates me and loathes me. Producers trying to stitch me up, staff deleting my clips, them hating it when that board in the LBC offices spikes when my show starts and people start listening in. I want to be back in the heart of London, in the heart of the place where everyone there cannot stand me but listeners listen to my show more than any other. It's not about doing a radio show. It's about planting the flag for decent, ordinary people.

1:36:40I want that back. And I regret that I don't have that show anymore. And I let a lot of people down by getting fired from that show. Can you tell us about your tour? I don't want to be one of those people that comes on things to promote things. But I asked you. Can I just say then, thank you. 20, 20, 26, 20, 20, 26? How many 20s? 20, 20, 20, 20, 26. No. Can I just say my free range tour 2026 begins April 9th and it ends sometime at the end of July, beginning of August. And if you go to katiesarms.com, that's where the tickets are. And those venues are the venues that are trusted. They will hold.

1:37:27When people try and cancel them and pressurize them and threaten them, They still hold. They say, we'll let our people vote with their feet and they sell out. And the more nights that you'll sell out, the more nights that we'll add. And I want to tell people.

1:37:45So this is my big passion project. And I want to tell people that. Them turning up to this. Is a fight. you wouldn't believe how hard this fight is for me to get these places and what I do to make them hold. But the fact that you guys turn up and buy tickets is so powerful because some of these places when they've been on the point of saying it's not going to happen, these guys sell it out. And I say to people, you know, I hold this sword, but they are the sword, right, that allows me to hit. And I hold this baseball bat. They are the heft to the baseball bat. They are the power that I have, these audiences.

1:38:34So it's not about like financial stuff. It's about kind of me standing there on a stage as one person calling out to people who just want to have a night off and feel better and people turning up and going, yeah, yeah, we'll support. So it's so much more to me in a tour. I can't publicise it or promote it anywhere, not on any media anywhere. And yet these places fill up. And I cannot begin if I could bottle that stuff and give it to every person I would, because it's magic. And every time after every show, I end up in floods of tears because there is no way of paying people back for giving you back a voice in a country that you love.

1:39:18so thank you for allowing me to talk about it I'm quite embarrassed now and but luckily I've got my own tissue set with me so everything's gonna be fine but yeah it means a lot more to me than just a tour. Katie thank you very much. Thank you. You sod I much prefer the ending where I died on my arse.

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