In short
Lucy Connolly discusses her arrest, remand, and 31-month prison sentence for a social media post, and argues the UK justice system and CPS/police handling were politically motivated. She also describes prison conditions and her post-release licence restrictions (including MAPPA Level 3) and claims “cancel culture” targets her and her family.
Guest background
Lucy Connolly is a UK political commentator/figure who says she was a local councillor’s wife and previously worked as a childminder. She says she has no prior criminal record and was jailed after tweets made during the Southport aftermath.
Key claims
Her tweet was deleted the same day; police/CPS allegedly ignored mitigating context and later claimed additional “racist” tweets that she says were not racist and were taken out of context. She claims she was unlawfully remanded because of a political directive attributed to Keir Starmer to remand people involved in online/street unrest. She says her sentence was harsher than riot participants who physically harmed others.
Notable examples
She cites a tweet about “mass deportation” and “burning down hotels,” and describes other posts she says were mischaracterized (including comments tied to a Tommy Robinson page and a Northampton park incident). She compares her sentence to a man in Northampton sentenced for riot involvement who she says received less. She also describes prison as largely trauma- and addiction-driven for many women and highlights missing her daughter as the hardest part.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Political Tweet Controversy
2:10 to 3:38
Lucy discusses the political implications of her tweet and its fallout.
“Lucy, how did you end up in prison for a social media post?”
The Arrest and Charges
3:38 to 6:10
Lucy recounts the events leading to her arrest and the charges against her.
“So you had 10 ,000 followers and it had how many views?”
Pleading Guilty Under Pressure
6:10 to 7:12
Lucy explains her decision to plead guilty despite feeling unjustly accused.
“There was no mention of violence in that charge.”
The Re-arrest and Further Charges
7:12 to 8:06
Details of Lucy's second arrest and the allegations that followed.
“I'd got my telling off, you know, wasn't proud of myself.”
Misunderstood Tweets and Public Perception
8:06 to 14:01
Lucy reflects on how her tweets were misinterpreted and the public backlash she faced.
“And then as I was putting the bins out, this police car comes down the street.”
Racist Tweets and Misinterpretations
14:01 to 17:40
Lucy discusses the misrepresentation of her tweets and context of her statements.
“And there was some thugs there and they'd got their children there and they were singing Allah, Allah, who the fuck is Allah.”
Racist Tweets and Misinterpretations
17:41 to 18:24
Lucy discusses the misrepresentation of her tweets and context of her statements.
“and they're coming for your inheritance.”
Custody and Sentencing Journey
18:55 to 21:32
Lucy shares her experiences of being remanded in custody and the sentencing process.
“So they reminded me on the Friday evening.”
Political Motivation Behind Prosecution
21:33 to 25:08
Lucy explains the political motivations behind her prosecution and the public's reaction.
“People that went out in the riots, there was a guy sentenced in Northampton just before me.”
The Impact of a Tweet
25:09 to 28:00
Lucy reflects on the severe consequences of her tweet and the justice system's response.
“You know, there's just this pretense, this thing from the left, isn't there, that if you're Tory, you must have loads of money and, you know, have been really lucky in life.”
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Lucy Connolly Reflects on Her Controversial Tweet
28:00 to 32:58
Lucy Connolly discusses her infamous tweet about illegal immigration and the backlash it received.
“But the 25 % then took it down to 31 months.”
Insights from Prison Life
32:58 to 40:00
Lucy shares her experiences in prison, including the struggles faced by inmates and her reflections on their stories.
“I mean, I can't speak for the men's side because obviously women and men's estates are very different.”
The Impact of Public Scrutiny
40:00 to 42:00
Lucy discusses the unexpected attention she received and the implications of her legal situation.
“When actually they dug a bit deeper, I think they were thinking, this is harsh.”
The Cost of Imprisonment
42:00 to 42:24
Discussing the financial implications and questions of justice in sending people to prison.
“As far as I'm concerned, the people that did that have blood on their hands.”
Navigating License Conditions
42:56 to 44:44
Exploring the restrictions and permissions required under probation and license conditions.
“Does that mean there's things you can't say and do?”
Cancel Culture and Free Speech
44:44 to 46:38
Discussing the impact of cancel culture on free speech and public discourse in the UK.
“You know, as long as whatever I'm saying is legal and not derogatory, etc.”
The Culture of Hatred
46:38 to 48:52
Examining the societal tendency towards hatred and the consequences of online actions.
“The people that I would call them extreme lefties.”
Political Discontent and Leadership
48:52 to 50:52
Critiquing current political leaders and their disconnect with the public's needs and concerns.
“But I also do not agree that I was treated fairly, you know, and I do not and I never will believe that we should be sending anybody to jail for a, you know, a social media post.”
Economic Reality for Working Families
50:52 to 53:16
Discussing the challenges faced by working families in the current economic climate.
“Even people that voted for him that I know are like, what have I done?”
Reflections on Political Statements
53:16 to 56:00
Lucy Connolly reflects on her past statements and the motivations behind her beliefs.
“You know, I think Nigel Fry is one of them.”
The Importance of Free Speech in Modern Discourse
56:00 to 59:30
Explore the belief that people should express themselves freely without fear of offense.
“And I say that as a conservative voter, you know, previously.”
Transcript
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1:21Lucy Connolly:I'm Mapper Level 3. What does that mean? That's what they put terrorists and rapists on. Hey? Lucy Connolly has been released. Lucy, how did you end up in prison for a social media post? Because they made it so political. CPS ignored the laws, the police ignored the laws. So why do you think you were remanded? Because that's what Keir Starmer told them all to do. You've said we're being invaded. Well, are we not? Four years for a tweet. Who is making this up? What's prison like? There are many people in that prison that should not be there. When it first happened, I just felt like public enemy number one.
1:53Lucy Connolly:I went from being someone that nobody knew to somebody that everybody seemed to know. Kia Starmer was sitting here, what would you say? Give your head a wobble. I'm not prepared to shut up. Believe it or not, we do have free speech in this country. Oh, you think we do? We're supposed to, aren't we? Do you ultimately regret the tweet? Well. Lucy, how did you end up in prison for a social media post? Well, I'm not 100 % sure, to be honest. I think it was very politically motivated. When I first saw all the posts on Twitter and stuff, you know, after some, it was a whole week later, actually. Was this after Southport?
2:30Lucy Connolly:Yeah, so I actually made that tweet on the day of Southport within hours of it being announced that, you know, that atrocity had happened. And I'd obviously deleted it the same evening. Once I'd calmed down and thought, you know, you can't write that, take that down. Right. It was a whole week before it kind of reared its ugly head again, if that makes sense. Because I didn't think anything more of it. I deleted it, taken it down, carried on with normal life, carried on on Twitter as normal. Yeah. And then I don't really know what made it pop up again. So what, it re-earthed itself, didn't it?
3:03Lucy Connolly:Yeah, so like a week later. So I think it was like the Monday after. I'd seen this post saying, yes, but you're a racist, aren't you, Lucy? and you're a Tory councillor's wife and all of this. And I was like, oh, gosh, you know, like, where's this come from? Right. So the week after you posted it, nothing had happened. The police hadn't called, come over. Nothing at all. I'd deleted the tweet. I hadn't even looked at any of the comments on it, you know, before I deleted it. I hadn't engaged. Did it blow up a bit? Was it a lot of views? I think so, apparently. You know, apparently it had 300 and something views.
3:35Lucy Connolly:But as you know, on Twitter, it doesn't have to actually be a view for you to scroll past it, does it? just so I had a fairly big following. I had about 10 ,000 followers. So you had 10 ,000 followers and it had how many views? I think 300 and something thousand. Right, okay, fine. I'm sure they said. So a week later it pops back up. Yeah, so I was like, what's all this about? You know, this was a week ago I made this tweet. Nobody said anything at the time. I thought that was the end of it. I deleted it, you know. and on top of that obviously when I made that tweet there had been no riots there'd been no violence or anything like that so I took the tweet down didn't think anything of it then a week you know and I just thought what's all this about because I hadn't engaged at all and then I'd also put out a tweet as soon as they started kicking off and the vibe I was just you know I was just oh gosh you know what you mean though so I think it was Southport was the first one wasn't it and I just looked at and actually my friend was there and she'd sent me some videos and we were just like oh my god you know what happened is how throwing bins at the police and bricks and we were just like oh my god and I remember tweeting um you know please stop this we don't want civil unrest on the streets I get that everyone's really angry I'm really angry but this isn't in the way you know we're not going to get the government to listen to us by you know going out and throwing bricks at coppers and all of this kind of thing.
5:06Lucy Connolly:But obviously, and that tweet was used in court, but that was, you know, they didn't want to take any notice of that. So you used that as your defence? Not as a defence, but my point was they, you know, accused me of inciting violence, but I didn't. You know, there had been no violence, there had been no riots at the point that I made that tweet. I took the tweet down within hours of making it because I knew it wasn't the right thing to say. What did they say? Inciting racial hatred? I think the actual charge was publishing written material that was likely to, not even did, likely to stir up racial hatred.
5:42Lucy Connolly:And then further down the line, they added in, you know, that falls under category 1A as well, which is a really high charge, hence the high sentence that I incited violence. But actually inciting violence is not in the charge that I've pled guilty to. The actual charges on the 20-something of July, you published written material on X that was likely to stir up racial hatred. There was no mention of violence in that charge. So when they read out, I mean, that's a whole other story in itself. I went guilty for certain, not because I thought I was guilty or that I was admitting to being guilty. Because you pled guilty, didn't you?
6:25Lucy Connolly:I did plead guilty. And what was your guilty plea to? That tweet on the 29th of August. Why did you plead guilty? Because they'd reminded me. So they'd already made it quite clear before they knew any of my circumstances, before they'd looked at any mitigating circumstances, before they'd looked into any character references, all those kind of things that judges ordinarily take into consideration when they're handing out sentences. Take it you've never been arrested before? No, never. First time in the cells. Wow. so they held you yeah so they held me going back a bit they they originally arrested me on a tuesday interviewed me i explained myself they let me go bailed me with conditions not to post on social media um i didn't i didn't break those bail conditions and in the you know even in the police documents it says you know there's not enough evidence to charge her here and somehow that changed from the Tuesday to the Friday so I you know left the police station choose that Tuesday evening with bail conditions to I think the date in November to go back to check back in and you know that the police officer said to me on the desk he said oh you know they'll put that back the courts are so backed up don't expect to be actually you know called to answer bail in November So, you know, I'd gone home thinking, you know, I'd spent my few hours in the cells.
7:53I'd got my telling off, you know, wasn't proud of myself.
7:56Lucy Connolly:That was the end of it. Yeah. Oh, no. So that was the Tuesday evening, you know, Friday morning. I'd literally just got out of bed, had a shower. I was putting the bins out. Friday's bin day in our street. And then as I was putting the bins out, this police car comes down the street. And I thought, I just know. I just know they're coming for me. It was just like before eight in the morning. So obviously they were, you know, you're arrested for da-da-da-da-da. How many police came? Two that time. Okay. And they arrested you for what? I don't actually know what they were arresting me for the second time.
8:29But they took you away straight away?
8:31Lucy Connolly:The same charge, I think, a public audit charge. So yes, they took me there and then. Yeah. And then, yeah, I was never released. So that Friday, they interviewed me again. So the same solicitor, the same duty solicitor came and she'd put in a complaint actually because she said why why have you re-arrested her you should have you know it should have at the very most been a voluntary interviewer asked to come back you know to provide more information you've already you've already arrested her once oh well this is different charges what do you mean this is different charges anyway the the guy that had originally reported me to the police got the hump that I'd been bailed on the Tuesday and then he he's obviously been kind of stalking my Twitter for quite some time and, you know, watching, my feeling is he's some kind of labour activist.
9:21Right.
9:22Lucy Connolly:Probably quite local to me. Okay. That was after my husband, I think. That's my personal thought. I don't know that, but that's what I think. So he'd then gone back to the police and went, you know, well, actually, look at these tweets and, you know, these are racist and these are racist. And I was like, what? But so I got the solicitor came and she's like, oh, you know, Lucy, I think this is quite bad this time. What were the new charges? How were they different from that? Well, it wasn't. It wasn't. Right. But this is what this is what I'll never really understand. So they said they re-arrested me because it was new charges.
9:59Lucy Connolly:And I remember the solicitor on the night when I spoke to her on the phone and said they've charged me. And she said, read out what they've charged you with. And she went, oh, they've only charged you with one charge. She said they told me that it was several charges because obviously they claimed that they'd got these extra racist tweets. They weren't racist, by the way. They were nothing of the sort. And it was just, you know, conversations on Twitter of like, you know, comments on Twitter and stuff. And one of them was a Tommy Robinson post. And it was a couple of weeks earlier, there was a guy that was arrested in a local park in Northampton near me.
10:40Lucy Connolly:and he was masturbating over children in the park. Oh, my God. Exactly. So I think he was caught and charged. The police did get him. But it wasn't that far to me. And somebody had tagged me in and said, oh, Lucy, just look at this. I know this is near to you. I've got a 13-year-old daughter. He was like, just out of concern, but just be careful. So I was like, oh, my God. I was talking to this guy that I knew about it and I'd put something along the lines of, yeah, he looks Somalian, I think. there's a large Somalian community around there with a sick face. Obviously, because I was just pointing out that the guy looks Somalian.
11:19Lucy Connolly:And do you not think that a man masturbating over children in the park is pretty sick? So then somebody I think had put underneath, you can't say that, it's racist. So I'd put, show me where I've been racist. It's just a description of a person and a sick face because of what the act, you know, I mean, if you don't think that's sick, I think there's something wrong with you. was going to be wrong with you so then that person had ended up deleting their their comments because I kind of out argued them you know and I just said you're being ridiculous so that all you could kind of see is is what I'd put that the sick face show me where I've been racist and some you know nothing nothing particularly bad there was another one where I um called my friend a derogatory name rhymes with do as you likey he'd called me a brummy c-word first it's just how we how we roll he's a friend of mine he's a friend of mine in real life um long story short we were on a drunken friday night call um a load of us you know whisper and angel fueled and he was in his holiday home you know on the coast and he couldn't get on the call because he didn't have any wi-fi so he'd put on Twitter oh I just wanted to come on and call Lucy a Brummie seaworth to which I replied to him well you can't because um caravans don't have wi-fi you know so again completely taken out of context you know and then then the police and the CPS are issuing these statements saying it wasn't a one-off tweet there were further racist tweets found well no there weren't you You know, me calling my friend, a very good friend of mine, a derogatory name after he'd called me one first.
13:02Lucy Connolly:That's just banter between friends. You know, if he's not going to take offense, why are you taking offense? You know, and pointing out that, you know, a guy masturbating over children in the park is Somalian with a sick face because I feel it's quite sick. Again, not racist. But, you know, the police had got these, you know, and it's quite I will release it at some point because it's quite funny to see. and the second interview I was just laughing and they asked me while I was laughing because I just thought this is crazy you've got you know a bunch of tweets with only my answers to conveniently enough it says original tweet not available so you couldn't actually see so you couldn't actually see that it was there's no context it was yeah there was no context so you couldn't actually see that it was a video of that happening yeah it just had my comments you know you and um even the solicitor said at the time you know what you know he's called her a derogatory name first what about him well we're trying you know and they were trying to get me to out him that was never going to happen um wasn't going to help them go after him as well yeah and then um that was it they were like well you know because it was happened to be on tommy robinson's page this this video they were like do you know tommy robinson my solicitor was just like i think everyone knows who tommy robinson is what's your point move on you know we're not going here yeah but again they were just desperate to kind of drag me into this you know far right label you know well you know you you've put racist comments you've called you've said we're being invaded well are we not you know how again how is that racist that was another one of them were being invited by people in boats I'd put that is that not something people say often is that not things we hear politicians on the tv saying i think i watch that on gb news regularly people saying that you know again completely taken out of context you know if you were a hardcore lefty and just wanting to look for trouble that you might take something out of that but honestly they were just absolute nonsense and you know then they obviously made these statements that they'd found further racist tweets before and after the offending tweet.
15:10Had they?
15:11Lucy Connolly:No, absolutely not. So they lied? They lied. And I've got tweets that my family, you know, got off my Twitter later on where they're like, a good example of one, there was one of Tommy Robinson's Freedom Rallies, not the last one, but one maybe a couple of years ago. And there was some thugs there and they'd got their children there and they were singing Allah, Allah, who the fuck is Allah. And I was just disgusted. I just thought, firstly, I don't think you should be taking children to things like that. My opinion is children should be children kept out of politics. It's not something I would take my children to.
15:51Lucy Connolly:Secondly, you're teaching those children hate, you know, like I everyone's entitled to their own beliefs, aren't they? And their own religion. I'm not religious. I'm quite a big atheist, actually. However, I respect, you know, other people's religions and I respect that they get comfort from that, etc, etc. I would never teach my child to, you know, dislike somebody's religion or, you know, I'm dead against that. So I'd put this is disgusting. You know, no child should be taught this kind of thing. No child's born racist. There were so many other tweets on my Twitter from, you know, over the time that quite clearly showed that, you know, I'm not down with racism and.
16:34Lucy Connolly:Or calling anyone's religion out or. So I guess you must have presented all that in your defence. Of course, absolutely. They had all of this. They had several tweets like that. They had the tweet. When the solicitor went for the bail application for the second time, he wanted all of this because he's like, we've only got one shot at this, Lucy. I need all my ducks in a row. They wanted to get all these tweets. And they had the tweet that I tweeted saying, please stop this violence, da-da-da-da-da. but that was ignored. And the judge said, I've actually just got hold of the remark moment. The judge said, oh, we're not giving her bail because it's so serious and she might re-offend.
17:21Lucy Connolly:Well, probably not because she bailed me on the Tuesday with conditions not to post on social media. I wasn't re-arrested till the Friday. I did not break those bail conditions. so therefore they had no legal grounds to remark me. This recent budget should warn you that your pension is not safe and secure and they're coming for your inheritance. Do you even know how much is in your pension or where your pension is invested? Add to this the recent inheritance tax grab on your pensions and the risk of a market crash. You probably didn't know this and I didn't until recently but physical gold can be added to your pension pot.
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18:57Lucy Connolly:I didn't get out again then. So they reminded me on the Friday evening. And how long did it take from there for you to get sentenced? So I was reminded on the 9th of August and I was finally sentenced on the 17th of October. So I was at HMP Peterborough in between that time. So ordinarily, you would have got bail. So you'd have gone, right? And obviously I hadn't put in a plea at this point either. I'd gone no plea on the advice of my legal team. So they were like, don't say anything yet. You know, at the minute we're thinking, you know, you're probably going to go guilty, but we need more time to look into it.
19:32Lucy Connolly:Don't put in a plea. So, again, it was adjourned because the solicitor wanted to obtain a new psychiatric report and he wanted to get character references, all of those kind of, you know, the normal stuff that solicitors do. So I was remanded instantly from the police station. So I was charged. Is that normal? No, absolutely not. funnily enough i was listening to um a podcast yesterday it was liam tufts one with um an ex police officer that he's been in the he'd been in the police for like eight nine years and i think his name was jay and he was saying the same thing he said it's almost impossible to remind people immediately like that if somebody's got no criminal record they're not a flight risk Like, you know, I said, I've been on the phone begging CPS for me to be able to remand this person.
20:23Lucy Connolly:And they've got no previous. Right. And he'd be like, yeah, but he's going to go straight back out here and beat that woman up and likely kill her. No, no, you can't. You can't remand her. So why do you think you were remanded and kept for that long? Because that's what Keir Starmer told them all to do. They told the judiciary all to do. He made that speech, didn't he? he said you know anybody involved in any of this be it online be it in the streets you will be remanded in custody straight away so he'd obviously told the judges and the courts to say you know if anybody's involved in any of this do not let them out because that's what I've told you to do so that's what the judges did so they ignored all the laws the CPS ignored the laws the police ignored the laws and they essentially in my opinion unlawfully remanded me I wasn't a flight risk I hadn't got any previous um criminal records I'd never been arrested I had a fixed address you know all of those things there was absolutely no reason for them to remand me so yeah I never got out again so they arrested me the 9th of August I never got home again till the 21st of August the following year.
21:34Do you regret pleading guilty?
21:36Lucy Connolly:Yes, definitely. I got 31 months in total. 31 months for a tweet. 31 months for a tweet. Has that ever happened before? No. People that went out in the riots, there was a guy sentenced in Northampton just before me. He'd gone out in the riots. He'd gone out with crowbars and balaclavas. He'd met a load of people. He was involved. He did hurt people. First of all, he was on a GBH charge. Then they dropped it to ABH. Then they dropped it to a frail. He was already on a suspended sentence. I think he got 20 months, 19, 20 months. He got less than you. He got less than me. And he'd gone out in the riots.
22:15Lucy Connolly:He'd physically hurt people. And he had previa. And he still got less than me. So how did you feel when you got 31 months? I was just a bit shocked. But I wasn't expecting 31. I was expecting a custodial sentence. They'd made that really clear. and I remember having a meeting with probation when they did the pre-sentence report now and interestingly judges normally go with probation's recommendations so probation will talk to you and it's called a pre-sentencing report they'll look at your history they'll look at your offense they'll talk to you and then they'll make recommendations as to what to the judge as to what they think should happen to you and my recommendations were like community service um you know talking to probation that kind of thing uh it was recommended to get me out of custody as soon as possible so you didn't think at that point you were going to go to prison no i did know i said it's written in the report i said i said you can make these recommendations all you like i said they are going to send me to prison well you don't know that i said i do i said a how did you know because they made it so political you know i'm going to change my name by depot to tory councillors wife I think I keep saying I'm going to get a number plate saying TC does.
23:28Lucy Connolly:No, like there wasn't the mainstream media couldn't report on my case without putting Tory councillors wife first. I believe that the people that really made a fuss about my tweets that were, you know, constantly retweeting it, that might have gone to the police that were making it. Were very politically motivated. What do you mean by politically motivated? They wanted Ray out, you know, like Ray took. the seat from Labour when he took that seat. Right. And they hate my husband because he is not your typical Tory, you know. Everyone just assumes that if you're Tory, you're rich, you're born with a silver spoon in your mouth.
24:09Lucy Connolly:That couldn't be further from the truth. My husband grew up in a children's home. His mum and dad were alcoholics. He's actually had a really shitty upbringing. And everything he's got, not that we've got loads, but what we have got he's worked really damn hard for and he just gets it you know he he took on that role as a counsellor for all the right reasons we live in an area where he grew up he lives like around the corner from where he grew up he knows everybody you know he's a local lad people like him because he's just so normal and he and he works really hard and he's a generally nice guy you know so he did that role for all of the right reasons and they never really liked it because he wasn't, you know, your typical Tory rich boy, you know, like, you know.
24:58Lucy Connolly:And I just don't think they could cope with that. They used to say to him all the time, well, I think you should join Labour. You're not really a Tory, are you, Ray? And he'd be like, well, I'm certainly not Labour, you know. You know, there's just this pretense, this thing from the left, isn't there, that if you're Tory, you must have loads of money and, you know, have been really lucky in life. And, you know, as you know yourself, you don't, you make your own luck. You work bloody hard. Yeah, you do. You pay a lot of tax. Absolutely. You take a lot of risk. You didn't get what you've got from sitting on your ass.
25:31Lucy Connolly:No. Absolutely not. It comes at a price, doesn't it? So, you know, and there were so many comments on social media, things like that, you know, all these witch toys, they'll get away with it, they'll buy their way out of it. I worked as a childminder. He's an engineer. I don't know. So how did you feel when you got the sentence? I was really shocked because the conversations we'd had, as in me and my solicitor, was, yeah, I accepted that I was going to get custodial. I'd be looking around the two-year mark. Even that's a lot, isn't it, for somebody that's never offended. I'd be looking at around the two-year mark.
26:06Lucy Connolly:But with my guilty plea, 33 % off that, which they then dropped down to 25 % as well. They conned me out of another 8%. And with tag, my sister also didn't inform me that I wasn't entitled to tag on that charge. He told me I'd get tag. I'd be out by Christmas. So with the time I'd already served on remand, the time you're taking off, you know, on tag, if I got two years, I'd be home for Christmas. So I was just thinking, do you know what? This is my quickest route out of here now. I'm already in here. I can't get out. They won't give me bail. I've used up my two bail applications. I did have another opportunity to go to the high court 10 grand just to apply for that bail wow and I just felt like I might as well burn that 10 grand because you know as well as I do they were never giving me bail they all stick together yeah so we were like I just don't think it's worth it you know I might you might as well set fire to 10 grand and it's just setting me up for a fall I'm in here now any time I serve now is going to come off my sentence will just you know take the hit so to speak right so when they said 31 months i couldn't believe it and what he essentially did was he added on my credit so i got my 25 credit for going guilty but all he did was added it on before he took it off right so he could have started from two years which was the minimum the sentencing guidelines start from and then he could have took 25 off and then I'd obviously serve 40 % of that.
27:39Lucy Connolly:So it would have been a lot less. But what he did do is he said, well, you know, had you have gone to trial and been found guilty, you'd have got four point something years. Well, hang on a minute. Isn't that the whole point of going guilty so that you don't go to trial and you get your credit? So the judge actually gave me four years something, but then he took the 25 % off. Four years for a tweet? Something like that. It was over four years. I can't, I'd have to look it up. But the 25 % then took it down to 31 months. And you served in total how long? 12.4 months. Okay. Because I served 40 % of the sentence.
28:16Lucy Connolly:Right. So I want to come back to the prison part. What did you tweet? So I said, mass deportation now. Set fire to all the fucking hotels for all I care. Take your treacherous MPs with you. my heart breaks for those families um and if that makes me racist so be it but obviously the so be it bit was I know that anybody that disagrees with my stance on illegal immigration is going to call me a racist and a fascist that and that's been going on for a long time it's worsened over the past 12 18 months I think but you know if you're on social media and you you know you're having a rant about illegal immigration or you know if something awful happens or an atrocity happens and you're like well if they hadn't been here illegally in the first place that would never that you know those kind of things I know that the lefties are going to come at me and tell me that I'm racist and I'm intolerable and I'm a fascist and all of these you know things and it's it's just boring you know like if that's the only argument you have go away because it's really an an intelligent argument, you know, to call me a racist.
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29:28Lucy Connolly:To me, being a racist is you, you know, you don't like somebody because of the colour of their skin or their religion or perhaps their culture, race, religion or culture, that you discriminate against somebody for those three things. I've never discriminated against anybody in my life for those three things. So I noticed you stressed when you said what you said, for all I care. Why did you stress that? because it's hyperbole isn't it it's like for all i care it's not a direct order i didn't say go and for example the bbc and sky news kept saying she called for the burning down of hotels no i didn't it was a flippant angry remark not a nice one admittedly not my finest hour but i was angry and you know what if you aren't angry and deeply upset about what happened that day that says a lot more about you than it does me because you know it's natural and you know people that don't know I've lost a child so I actually do understand how those parents are feeling you know I can't even even having gone through that I can't tell you how or there's no words for them not ever being at they've dropped their children at a dance class these you know these these girls that loved dance that loved Taylor Swift it should have been at you know one of the best days of their lives and those parents never got to pick them up you can't you can't even begin to I can't even begin to explain to you how they're feeling there were no words to to describe that and a similar thing happened to me one night I went to bed my life was pretty perfect I had a nice life a nice family a nice home everything was perfect and I woke up one morning and all that changed that's not something you ever get over you know it's really not it's something that you take to the grave so I do understand actually and I have every bit of sympathy for those parents and they're just you know it's just terrific isn't it no parent should take their child to a dance class and never get to pick them up it's just it's just incomprehensible really and and you said earlier you do and you don't regret so do you ultimately regret the tweet of course absolutely I regret the tweet you know it just wasn't a nice or a clever thing to say you know and that's really not me I said it in a bit of anger um I don't I'm the least violent person you'll ever meet I've never been in trouble I've never had so much as had a fight only my sisters and that doesn't count but um yeah like my sisters are all like if we're out and about they're like oh you know Lucy's the pussy we have to look after her you know like I'm I'm not that way inclined at all so why do you regret the tweet then because it was just a horrible thing to say isn't it you can't go around suggesting that you know we burn down hotels or you know etc it's just not it's just not the done thing is it you know and but the fact that I did delete it that same evening after you know the red mister descended tells you that I regretted it if I didn't regret it I'd have left it there wouldn't I I'd have gone no sod it that's what I think and I'm leaving it there because I am like that I'm very I would dig my heels in and you know I don't back down yeah but I just thought no you can't like that take it down and so I did and then yeah I thought that was the end of it but I was very wrong well we'll come back to that in a moment I'd like to talk about prison what was prison like interesting what does that mean well I don't know I don't even know how you explain prison I mean it was a very humbling experience actually it was It was horrible because it actually makes you realize how lucky you really are.
33:16Right.
33:17Lucy Connolly:There are many, many women. I mean, I can't speak for the men's side because obviously women and men's estates are very different. There are many people in that prison that should not be there. Why? Because they just need help. They don't need prison. You've got women that have suffered massive trauma, addiction, just haven't had a nice upbringing like you or I might have had with parents that loved us and the support and the families there for us they need mental health support they need housing they need all of those things they don't need being put in prison it's just like a vicious circle for a lot of these women right and when you listen to their stories you very rarely find a woman in prison without a tragic story behind it even ones that have like committed murder and stuff yes of course you've got people that absolutely belong there that are just in my opinion monsters and they should never be let out but they are actually quite few and far between in the women's estate you know even people that have committed murders when you listen to what actually happened oh so you're spending time with people who committed murders oh god a child people that kill children women's um estate isn't is mixed so like whereas men have cut a to d and they're all like separated given how bad their offense is women aren't so there's It's a lot, the systems, the estate's a lot smaller.
34:41Lucy Connolly:So they're just, everyone's in with everybody. Were you scared? Yeah, very. When I went, not in the end, but when I first went there, I was absolutely terrified. The two officers that met me first, they say to this day, you know, I've never seen anybody look so terrified as you did, Lucy, when you came in. I was just beside myself. I just thought I'm just going to get battered every day. Was there any threat of violence? A couple of times. that was at drake hall when i moved to drake hall but peterborough no it was like the women were so lovely actually it sounds crazy doesn't it but no they were very much in the main of course you had the odd idiot but in the main supported each other you know just had each other's backs and it was quite a oh not nice nice is not the words but the women were nice in peterborough most of them you know they were just putting their heads down doing their sentence you know the group of girls that i you know I got quite friendly with but just wanted to just wanted a quiet life you know just do their sentence get through it get out again back to their families and stuff and you said it was horrible what was horrible about it the worst thing was not being able to see my daughter you know like I've been with her every single day since she's 13 now and I've never been separated I never even put her into you know she did a couple of mornings at nursery when she was a baby but apart from that I've always been with her you know I've always been there to take her to school I've always been there when she's been you know come home from school and yeah it was awful you know not to be there and yeah that was definitely the hardest part my not being away from my family and knowing you know and you're so helpless in prison this is what people don't understand they say oh but you get canteen and you get a telly yeah you do you know I lived on Haribo's and carbs when I was in prison and I did have a telly with 80 odd channels on it but so what I couldn't see my family and my you know and when stuff was going on at home and she was having a really hard time at school and I'd just be sobbing on the end of the phone because what could I do I was in prison she needed me there I needed her and I couldn't be there you know if that's not your world I mean there were some people that just come in and out of the prison system all their life and that's just how they're always going to be unfortunately but that's not my world you know so it's very difficult when you're as independent as I am to then get every bit of freedom and rights taken away from you.
37:02Lucy Connolly:You can't do anything for yourself in prison. Anything. Everything has to, you know, have to ask for everything. Everything's done in an app. Can I have this? Can I have that? You can't just go and get something. You know, there's a system to everything. You know, like I said, things were going on at home and I was just helpless. That's an awful feeling, you know, to know that, you know, I had a friend that died while I was in there, just really suddenly. And I was just like, God, you know, you're just helpless. And it's an awful feeling. If I didn't have my children and my family, I would have been able to do it quite easily.
37:39Lucy Connolly:You know, I can do anything. I'm not a princess. But, yeah, it's everybody else. You know, it's not you. And that's the hardest part of prison, I think. and you know i tried to help as many people as i could i really did you know i wasn't judgmental to these girls i just i felt for most of them there were some of them that i just didn't want anything to do with for some of the reasons you know that some of the stuff they'd done wasn't interested stayed away from them but i wanted to just help as many people as i could you know there are women in there that can't even read and write and it used to become a standing joke that i used to write all this stuff for them i used to do letters for them complaints for them And, you know, if I could help somebody, I absolutely would.
38:25Lucy Connolly:You know, I'd buy some of the girls' stuff because, you know, I was one of the lucky ones in prison. I had family and friends sending me money, visiting me. I was able to phone home every day. I had the money on my, you know, account to do that. So many girls in prison don't have that. They don't have families sending them in money, so they don't get any luxuries in prison. You know, it's prison food and that's there. You know, they can't even buy a bag of sugar. so I very much tried my absolute best to help everybody and not judge anybody because you know people make mistakes nobody is whiter than white you know half the time there was a prison officer at Peterborough that I really liked he was funny and there's some first name terms at Peterborough it's not sir or miss it's their first names and I remember someone called him sir one day but don't call me sir he said I'm no different to you he just decides something caught you know like and And it's true because what you're telling me, you've never broke the speed limit.
39:23Lucy Connolly:You've never maybe got in your car and you not intentionally, but you might have been over the limit and you could have got caught or there's a million and one things. You could get in your car tomorrow and God forbid you could put your head down and run somebody over. You there's a massive chance that you would end up in prison for that. You know, death by dangerous driving. I met women that were in there that doesn't make them bad people. Not everybody that's done bad things are bad people. and it's very humbling like that because I was that person beforehand and I was like well they're in prison they've done something wrong they should be there I don't have much sympathy for them but my attitude massively changed when I met these women and I heard their stories and I realized what some of them had gone through and continued to go through and the saddest part is they'll just probably be like that all their life you know because the help's just not there for them there's no rehabilitation in prison right no and how's your life changed since it's a bit crazy like for the better like um your life is better now not better but like when it first happened I feel like the tide has changed a bit as well like when it first happened I just felt like public enemy number one I just couldn't quite believe how much attention I was getting for for a nobody i was really i don't i'll never really get my head around how much an example i was made of how much i was on the news and the national tv constantly given i really was just a a wife that lived in a three-bed semi in northampton you know like it just it's just bizarre to me i went from being someone that nobody knew to somebody that everybody seemed to know and it took a while to get my head around that but I think as time went on and especially after my appeal as well even though I didn't win my appeal I was able to kind of put my side out and my solicitor my barrister was really good and he was able to you know fill in some gaps so to speak and then I think people kind of thought hang on a minute she's been stitched up here you know And even people that were perhaps saying in the beginning, well, she should have gone to prison.
41:37When actually they dug a bit deeper,
41:40Lucy Connolly:I think they were thinking, this is harsh. Yes, she shouldn't have said what she should have said, what she said, but should we really be sending people to prison for things like this, for social media tweets? Poor Peter Lynch never came out. He never came out. He died and committed suicide. He went into prison for holding a sign in the street. He already had mental health issues. As far as I'm concerned, the people that did that have blood on their hands. Why are we sending people like that to jail? It's a massive waste of everyone's time and money. Of taxpayers' money. £55 ,000 a year minimum to put somebody in prison for a year.
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42:56You said you have license conditions. Does that mean there's things you can't say and do?
43:03Lucy Connolly:Yeah, it's not too horrific. What can't you say and do? I have to, mostly I have to seek permission from probation to do certain things. So in a nutshell, they don't want me going to protests and stuff. Not that I ever did anyway. So if I want to go anywhere with over 50 people, I have to seek their permission. Even if you went to a football game? well no this is where it's kind of a bit ambiguous because what they really mean is they don't want me going to standing outside a hotel you know yeah you're the bell protesting basically um are you allowed to post on social media i'm allowed to post on social media which is a bit backwards really isn't it considering that that was what my offense was you know yeah i can post on social media but i'm not allowed to delete anything on my phone and they are allowed to check my phone i'm allowed i have to let them check my phone which is fine there's nothing on there you know that they're they're gonna find how do they do that will they come over and check it or no they've just i just when i go into probation i just open my phone and they might scroll through my facebook or what have you to make sure you know how often do you have to check in at the minute every two weeks it was every week now it's they've done it every two you have to go and check in every week for a deleted post.
44:20Lucy Connolly:And yeah, I'm on licence. That's till March 2027. I have to do this. And I'm hoping that they'll take some of the conditions off between now and then. Can you go on holiday? No. Well, you can go on. We've just been on holiday, but only in this country, which again, I had to seek their permission. So you can't leave the country. I'm Mapper Level 3. What does that mean? That's what they put terrorists and rapists on. um they say to me it's because of the press interest that's their excuse for putting me on MAPA level three they say it's because there's a lot of press interest and they need to manage the press da da da da so not only does any request I make have to go to probation they then have to go to MAPA which is like a board of people it stands for multi-agency public protection so if I say can I go to this event they then have to go to the MAPA meeting and say can Lucy go to this event and there'll be like the police officers there and probation officers and this or you know lots of different agencies deciding whether I'm safe to go to go to you know like I went to the reform conference for example had to seek their permission to go there we went away last week stayed in a hotel in Northumberland had to seek their permission to go there that's standard though actually that the things like telling them because you have to stay in your fixed address that you know they know you are so if you're not going to be staying there you have to tell them can't you can't leave the country can't go abroad unless extenuating circumstances like maybe someone died or possibly a wedding something like that is there anything you can't say um no as in as long as it's legal yeah and and we've had i've had this discussion with them I'm like, I'm not prepared to shut up, if that makes sense.
46:04Lucy Connolly:You know, as long as whatever I'm saying is legal and not derogatory, etc. I can say what I like because, believe it or not, we do have free speech in this country. Oh, you think we do? Well, we don't, no. But we're supposed to, aren't we? And you can't shut people down just because you don't like their opinion. It's disgusting. How have we got to this stage in the UK where if somebody doesn't like what you're saying, if they don't agree with what you're saying, they want you cancelled. and not only do they want you cancelled, they go after your family, they go after your children, they go after your businesses.
46:37Lucy Connolly:They stop at nothing. And who's they? The people that I would call them extreme lefties. I wouldn't even say lefties because like my family are all lefties, you know, they're all Northern and my mum's a lefty, but she certainly wouldn't dream of, you know, seeking out something somebody had said that she didn't like and finding out where they worked and going to their employer and make, you know, this started quite a while ago, this did, you know, this cancel culture where it happened to a friend of mine on Twitter as well. He's got his own business and they sought out, he's got an anonymous account, but they managed to find out who he was and where he worked and then they were making malicious claims about his business all because his politics don't align with yours.
47:21Lucy Connolly:Give your head a wobble. Wow. Really, are you really that nasty that you would, you know people jeering at me that you have she she deserved to go to prison oh and my and my family deserved that did they my my daughter deserved to to be without her mummy for for over a year and struggle the way she struggled you people are abhorrent that's all I've got to say to you there's just this culture now that you know especially with social media of like people going after people and that's how I feel that what happened to me you know the people that didn't like me and I say didn't like me they don't know me no they just think they don't like you don't know you know they didn't like a couple of your tweets or yeah I don't know I mean I'm sure you've had it yourself you know you're successful you've done well for yourself have you ever had anybody attack you or yes slander you yes of course but yes are they in a position where they've done better than you in life no there you go there's your question no haters are ever doing better than you because successful people are too busy to hate on others and i and i see this and they know what it takes and i've noticed this quite a lot just recently you know like just from observing after i've come out and i just think why are you attacking that guy why because he's got a better car than you more money in his bank that didn't and the way i see it it's like good luck to you you might be envious you might think oh i'd love that house oh i'd love that car but there's a big difference between envy and jealousy isn't there and wow i just we've just become such a hateful culture right now you know like why why not wish people well and it's okay to say i don't agree with that person and move on you don't have to go to such extents to you know try and ruin people or slander people not just me but just people in general because you don't like what they say I'd say tough shit and I don't like lots of things that lots of people say but I scroll on you know yeah I've spoken out in defense of people who've been cancelled and one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you it's not even relevant if I agree or disagree if people are being cancelled and imprisoned for their opinion and it isn't breaking the law if you stand up for that regardless of their opinion then you will be next I think this is what happened with me I think everybody shit themselves and went oh god that could be me yeah that could be everyone and everybody kind of recoiled didn't they on social media and stuff and then thought you know what they're going to come knocking on my door but then they but then they win don't they And it's such a fine line, isn't it?
50:07Lucy Connolly:Because I am sorry for what I tweeted. I shouldn't have tweeted it. But I also do not agree that I was treated fairly, you know, and I do not and I never will believe that we should be sending anybody to jail for a, you know, a social media post. Maybe if it was like a campaign of hate, you know, that had gone on for a long time, different circumstances, that kind of, that's why we have the Milicious Communications Act, isn't it? So I've got a question for you. Yeah. If Keir Starmer was sitting here, what would you say? What would I say? I'm not sure I'd want to sit next to him. But if he was?
50:43Lucy Connolly:I took contempt for him. If he was, I would just ask him what he thinks he's actually achieving right now. I mean, let's not... He is... He must be the world's most... You know, the country's most hated... He certainly is in my time. Even people that voted for him that I know are like, what have I done? he's he's just like he just seems to be on some kind of rampage to you won't listen will he like he's so arrogant and he's so he thinks he's doing everything right and clearly is not you know do you think if there's an election tomorrow people would vote for him i don't well the opinion polls wouldn't say so no so i would say to him start listening to the people that voted for you that's what i would say start asking people like yourselves and stuff the taxpayers the people that are you know helping your economy and and you know propping it up because you know i listened to one of your podcasts with james english the other day and you were saying about how all these billionaires are leaving the country and they're all going to buy is a really big place to be going and millionaires can you blame them no no you why would you stay where the streets aren't safe and more than half your money is taken when you can go somewhere where the streets are safe and you keep nearly all your money and they embrace progress entrepreneurship and 100 % and I 100 % you know I can understand why people are leaving the country in droves you need these people it's so ignorant and arrogant to think that you don't need these people yeah let them go to Dubai let them go to wherever they're gonna go we don't need them well you do and I think what a lot of the working class people are now starting to understand that they didn't is at first it's like yeah the politics of envy send away all the billions they don't pay any tax well number one is a billionaire doesn't leave because they're not paying any tax a billionaire leaves because they're paying too much tax because if they weren't paying any tax they would stay wouldn't they they wouldn't leave and the second thing is when those hundreds of billions in tax revenue that's taxed, like from the richest man in the UK who left, Lactamary Mittal, that bill gets passed on to everyone else.
52:52So the middle class gets squeezed down into the working class and the working class pick up the bill of the rich.
52:57Lucy Connolly:Absolutely. And so who is he trying to appease here? Because he's not really... I don't know him. I don't get it. I don't know him and I'd love to have a conversation with him. But I don't think he'd listen. This is what I'm saying. I've met many politicians and current and previous and some of them are arrogant, But many of them do actually take on board what you say and listen. You know, I think Nigel Fry is one of them. I've had lots of conversations with him, you know, just normal down to earth conversations with him. Yeah. And he's taken on board what you've said. And, you know, I just don't think Keir Starmer is taking on board what the people of this country and more importantly, the people that voted for him want.
53:36Lucy Connolly:He just seems to be going off on a tangent doing whatever he sees fit. And I just think it's not even about what's not fair. It's about what's realistic. People haven't got the money. How do people live on like 30? This sounds really... Well, the average salary is 37 ,000. How? If you've got two, three, four children, you've got one person working on 30... I don't even know how you pay your bills on that. I just don't know. And I don't mean to sound arrogant, but I just don't know how they do it. There must be a lot of debt or they're really scraping the barrel to live anything like it. And if you're working, you should be able to go on a holiday and you should be able to not worry about how you're paying for your next food bill, should you?
54:17You know, you should be able to live an okay life without worrying
54:21Lucy Connolly:how you're going to pay your water bill, you know, whether you can afford to take the kids to Yarmouth next year or wherever it is. You know, that is just the basic thing that families, if you work hard, you know, all year round, you should have things to look forward to, shouldn't you? Yeah, it's all doom here. So I've got one more question for you, Lucy, and I want you to try and answer this. honestly and balanced and neutrally it might not be an easy one but let's say you're there you're feeling how you're feeling you're on x you're making your post you are still angry what would you do differently i mean would you still post it would you not post it what would you do differently i would perhaps just leave out the burning of hotels down i would still absolutely stand by mass deportation i think we do actually need it and i believe that we should be detaining anybody that's not checked and and here legally i stand by that i do not believe there's anything racist in that i just think it's it's common sense and it is safety you know you cannot walk into any other country and just do as you like without having a passport and them wanting to know why you're there so i think i would the same sentiment would be there as in i do want these people deported that hear illegally i do want them detained until they've being checked until we've you know but obviously i would leave leave out the you know the burning down of hotels bit because that's you know that's really not what you know what i'm about and we really can't go around doing things like that um but yeah i am still angry with all the politicians not just this government the previous government let's not let let as much as i dislike labor let's not pretend this is all their fault no because we had 13 years of of a conservative government that that just were conservatives and ran the country into the ground.
56:03Lucy Connolly:And I say that as a conservative voter, you know, previously. Yeah. Which is why Reformer are cleaning up at the minute. What, because they're more conservatives than conservative? And where else are you going to vote? If you're an ex-Tory, you're certainly not going to vote Labour. You're not going to vote Green or Lib Dems. And a lot of people feel that they do have to vote, and I get that. So that's really, I think, they think, well, that's the only option we've got, isn't it? You know, even if you didn't, I mean, I do agree with reforms policies, but even if you didn't necessarily agree with all of them and you wanted to vote, you might think, well, who else am I going to vote for?
56:38Lucy Connolly:So, yeah, I do think it's really important that people were still able to express themselves and say what they say, what they feel without worrying about who it's going to offend. Because, you know, I think it's it Ricky Gervais says you don't get to live your life without ever being offended. It's really, you know, arrogant to think that you can go through your whole life. You know, you're never going to be offended. It's not a God-given right never to be offended. Yeah, in a nutshell, I obviously would have, I still stand by, you know, I think illegal immigration is really bad for this country, that we should be deporting more people, that we should be detaining more people.
57:16Lucy Connolly:But obviously we can do that in a humane way, can't we? Without violence and, you know, or being awful to anyone. Yeah. And I do think it's really important that people still post what they want to post as long as it's not racist or derogatory or violent or whatever. And we shouldn't be like, oh, can I post that? Can I say this? I think a lot of people feel that now. They do, but I think we need to get back to, you know what? I will post that or I will say this. But again, there's always somebody waiting in there and lurking to say, well, you can't say that because it's X, Y, Z. And do you know what?
57:51another thing I find really quite funny that everyone's the things these people that people
57:57Lucy Connolly:are supposed to be offended by for example I've never met a Muslim that's offended by Father Christmas or Christmas or Father Christmas in the boring I've never met anybody that's offended by a gingerbread man being called a gingerbread man so where is this actually all coming from because in the real world I know people of all walks of life and nobody regardless of their religion, colour, background is offended by any of these things that everybody's allegedly offended by. So who is sitting in their ivory towers going, today, I don't know. I honestly don't know. Like who? Because it's not people that live in the real world.
58:37Lucy Connolly:Not people with real life experience that have gone out and built businesses for themselves and got their own children. It's a bit like the, you know, we always used to say, my child would never do that. Oh, yeah. Great. Yeah. where you've got a 25-year-old podcaster telling people how to raise kids. My kids never have an iPad. All right, you wait and see. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, it's one of those situations, isn't it? Because in the real world, I don't know anybody that's offended by these things. I don't know anybody in real life that's offended by the English flag or a poppy or a chairman being a chairman instead of a chairperson, you know?
59:13Lucy Connolly:All of this crazy shit that it just, and it seems to get worse by the day. and everyone just sits there going, who is making this up? Because nobody cares. There's bigger fish to fry, isn't there, than what you call a gingerbread man. Wow. And I think that's a great little sentence to finish the show on. Lucy, I really appreciate you coming down. Thank you for having me. Thanks for speaking out about these things and not just, you know, going into hiding. I'm sorry for what happened to you. Thank you. Thank you.
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