#301. Bournemouth's Hero Policeman Sacked in Knife Incident - Lorne Castle

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3:07If he had a knife, some of the others in the gang behind me would have been carrying as well. So the beginning of the next night shift sets, we had a few days off, maybe four days after. So I come in at 8 o 'clock, and the whole squad's been cleared out of the room. What's going on? Oh, you've got to come in the office. Got to serve papers on you. Decided it's going to grow some misconduct. I was like, you're joking. My God. Are you actually serious? Is this serious? You didn't know he had a knife on you, Lon. No, but when do you want me to find out? When he sticks it in me? It's a bit late then, isn't it?

3:31The anger between the general public and the police is at the highest I've seen as an adult. A phrase I'll never forget. In front of everyone, the whole squad, PCSOs and everything.

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4:20Tickets are£145 plus vats and the price will also be increasing soon. So if you run a business and want to be in the room and see me and the Eventful Lives podcast live on stage, then head over to www.emc2025.com and use the code DODGE20 if you want to get 20 % off your ticket. I'll see you there, guys. Lorne, welcome to the show, mate. Thanks very much, Dodge. Nice to be here. Yeah, very much nice to be here, mate. Nice to have you here. We've known each other a good 20 years now. It will be, yes. And what I've seen gone on over the press and the newspapers and the socials. It's just been absolutely crazy this last week for you, I'd imagine.

4:55But let's roll all the way back. Why did you get sacked from Dorset Police? Okay, so after about 10 years of service in Dorset Police, I very publicly obviously got dismissed. One of the main things he said was lack of courtesy and respect during arrest. A slight bit was unnecessary force. We can go into that as well, because I really feel that I disagree with some of the things here. And just going against their conduct of behaviour. So let's just roll it back a bit further. What year was this? When was this incident take place? Where were we? What date? So we're talking end of January last year.

5:34So end of January... 24. 2024. Yes. And today we are June 2025. So how long has this been going on for? Year and a half. Year and a half I've been sitting on what's called gross misconduct, which is hard you know really hard you know me I'm a positive guy I like to go out and see people I like to do a job I'm very social and during the gross misconduct what I do is I put you on a restriction I had no face-to-face contact which for me is like a you know it's like an insult I was locked away I had to come into work in a separate room wasn't allowed to face-to-face contact with public I personally think that was you know demeaning and also to to isolate me to weaken me break me before we get the hearing you know I was locked away like I liken it to like sloth in the goonies, you know, completely stuck away.

6:18And like, there's all the new officers coming through and all they hear is, oh, that guy's on Christmas conduct, better not to. And you can see people shepherding away from me as I'm walking even to the toilet. I feel, you know, it was a hard time, buddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I've seen it on the incident. I've seen it on YouTube, whatever. Explain what happened that day. Okay, so that was on a Saturday morning. Now, I don't know if you recall, but two days prior, on Thursday last year, we had a massive sort of gang fight up at Lansdowne outside the college. It was all balaclavaed, masked, people with a lot of weapons.

6:47It was on national press, national press everywhere, front pages. So we were off on the Thursday and Friday. We come in Saturday morning. Saturday morning on a briefing, normally what's going on? They just say, yep, be aware. Obviously what's happened on Thursday, there's still a few possible suspect outstanding. They may be carrying weapons. So I think, okay, right, we'll keep an eye out, bear that in mind during the day. It's a long shift. It's like seven in the morning till six in the evening. We're productive. We've done an arrest for something. I think it was a fail to appear. myself and my colleague we've done a uh section one stop searching report of someone with a knife near the queens park area um negative dealt with very very well a few e-scooter seizures for dangerous driving and riding and dealt with a miss but then then this event involved which uh is what we went to um we were we were on another job about about 4 4 30 in the afternoon we hear over the radio, it's a shared radio channel, that there's been an assault in town, a commercial road.

7:45There's a guy who's been driving an e-scooter with a couple of others dangerously through the town. A member of public has challenged him, an elder member of public has challenged him to sort of stop him and make the streets safer. And he's got assaulted for his troubles. It's all on Charlie Bravo, which is a town cameras. And he's had his glasses broken. He wants the police there with town rangers. The offender's causing a bit of issues and then he's made off from town rangers. So we're sitting in Boscombe doing stuff because that's where I'm stationed. And, you know, we sort of like getting on with our job.

8:17We can't go to it because we're committed to something else. No one's calling up. No one's calling up. Right, fine. Okay. No one's called up. Then we get to about maybe quarter past five or something. We're heading to Bournemouth Station just to head in because we're coming in to sort of finish. And an urgent call from McDonald's. This is McDonald's in Bournemouth comes across the radio saying that they've had to close their doors at quarter past five. Now, this is a Saturday afternoon. you know bournemouth dodgers lots of families around children um close their doors because a 14 year old has been assaulted in in the store um they shut the 14 year old in and there's a gang outside the town cameras confirm it's the same individual that's assaulted the guy earlier is now in part of this and and there so you know my threat assessment is like right okay these are two random attacks at this time he's masked himself up so he doesn't want to be recognized you know this now threat level's gone up again no one calls up end of shift but but you know me i'm like this is what you join for surely this is this is what you put uniform on for it could have been that could have been my family my friends my daughter's friends anyone in mcdonald's i think you know what the chances of secondary violence falling out to anyone in in the area yeah this is this is what i put the uniform on so um yeah i called up for it also looked at it we were only about a minute away he was making off from the area um we get directed in so we're instructed to go anywhere so yeah we're free yes directed to go um full description from charlie bravo over clothing people he's with so i've got 100 zoned in on him went for what's called i'll say like a silent approach pretend you know the old has he seen me has he seen me first pulled inside behind him and then got out of the car and what you see on the video is is what happened to be to be honest you know i mean i went out that that car purely with the intention of arresting and detaining a violent suspect with no injuries and and you know doing it with no complaints i ended up arresting a violent suspect for the assault with no injuries no complaint and what's more took a real deadly double-ended knife off the street as well so so he was carrying a double-ended knife that knife was in his possession and it came out during the struggle at the end you know Have you seen a picture of it?

10:27Yeah, I have. You know, you've got a three-inch blade one end and a Stanley the other. Yeah. I mean, I knew as soon as he started venomously struggling, there was more to it than just your arrest I got him for. So I've arrested enough people. I've been in enough struggles. You know when someone's trying to get away. You know. There's more to it. Because if it was, hey, it's a fair gov, you got me. You know? No, there was more to it. He struggled so, so much. And you can see that from me. I am struggling to hold him. And then by the end, when I've called others, there's four of us safely to get him in handcuffs.

11:01So that sort of shows the force he was using against me. So even when we've got him in handcuffs, I'm still thinking, why on earth has he been struggling so much? Because this is not normal. You know, this is not natural. So I'm watching him, turning him over onto his side, so he can breathe safely. As we're watching, I see a knife fall out of his waistband. Now, the other officers didn't see that. Now, that's a real concern in policing that just because they're in handcuffs doesn't mean they're safe. You go back to the real sad occurrence of Matt Rotana, the sergeant in London. The guy was in handcuffs, brought into the station, into the station, in a holding cell.

11:35He had a gun in his back. And it's like, you know, yes, my risk assessment was high. I'd rather it be high with no injuries than be low because they don't want to fear I'm being rude or anything to them. You know, it wasn't for anything but safety is what I was looking at. And when that knife came out, I was, you know, I was like, damn right, that's it. And he had a prepared excuse. Here on the video, that's mine for work. It came straight out, straight out. So that indicates to me the reason he was struggling, he knew it was there. As soon as it came out, that's mine for work. Not even a pause.

12:09That's it. You know, and then it's tough. You get back and you've packaged all that up. And like in that wave, in that wave, when I come away and you're here, as soon as he's safely cuffing the knife off, I'm like, right, stop restraining, stop resisting. my terminology comes down everything i'm now okay right now the danger's over right fine i can i can go but you don't see that on a video they released and then you come back and you go back to the station you write it up you're right god now what have you got to do just so because i don't understand what you do as a copper there you've gone there you've you've made the arrest you go back have you got to write a full report yeah so then the other officers took him to what's called interview and deal with a crime but i did the arrest so i haven't got to do the arrest statement I've then got to write up my part of it and I've got to put the knife that I see on as evidence.

12:52So we're talking now into 12 hours of a shift. I'm knackered. This is my family time, but no, no, no. Get back and do it. Go to the station. So I'll write a statement up and I'm knackered. But when you're writing it up, what you don't realise is you get that wave coming over. You're thinking, shit, Lord, that was close. He had a knife. You know, and you suddenly think, whoa. And you can't explain unless you've been there. And it's like, well, if he had a knife, I reckon at least maybe some of the others in the gang behind me would have been carrying as well. So my, you know, when you hear me in a video, get back.

13:22Yeah. I'm scared. Yeah. I'm genuinely scared for your life. I get it. When you're saying that, you don't know who's behind you. You're pinning him down. Yeah. You don't know who's behind you who's going to come and plunge you or do something or put you in a headlock and there's a big fight kicking. You don't know what's going on. I think what you did was brilliant. Thank you, George. I mean, you know me. Yeah, I know you. I've worked on your events and everything. You know, I've worked your VIP areas at the Sevens. Yeah. and for them to betray me as someone that's like yeah you bitch it's completely wrong yeah what I don't understand is why they didn't go oh Lorne I see you like that you're never like that are you okay you know you must have been scared at that time no they threw me under the bus who threw you under the bus who was your right hand man was it the one filming it did he grass you up so I don't really want to go into things I'll say it factually and then everyone can pick from everybody so there was no complaint from the individual The individual that was arrested, that had the knife taken off them, no complaint.

14:19No complaint at all. No injury. So when you get booked into custody, you see if there's any, not even reddening. Now, anyone that's done control and restraint knows it's harder to restrain someone and not use pain and injuries. At one point, I mean, like a full mount, I could have rained down ground and pound. You know, literally, I was being the most peaceful I could. But very, very firm as well. Yeah. Which was perfect. perfect and it worked what are you meant to do you're meant to get some kid carrying a blade on him and it'll be nicey nicey don't worry about your wrists I'll do your wrist no mate you pinned down you found a blade on him you dealt with it perfectly and there's a crowd behind me there's a crowd behind you don't know what they're doing you've got your right hand man who's filming it what's he doing so you know we pull up I'm in the driving side which is further away I'm first out of the car and round to the offender so I've covered that distance in you know I can't say what they're doing but if you watch a small clip of the video and I can play it to you as well, there's a part when you see it, I'm actually kneeling over and the offender breaks his hand free from my colleague's grip.

15:22I instantly notice that that's when I have to slip down into like a full mount position because I'm thinking, shit, you can't even hold one hand. And he's got, why is he desperate on getting that hand from free? Because he goes to his waist, which is where a knife fell out. And it's like my threat assessment is almost put to me then as though I'm just an angry man. No way. why can't you understand that's actually done very very well yeah I'm not proud of the words I said don't you know I teach kids I work in a VIP area I walk down Bournemouth town and mate you're just to let everyone know who's watching this he's a superhero around Bournemouth you're very well liked you're very polite people who don't know you're also hard as nails thank you yeah Thai boxer we were doing MMA a few years back and you were teaching me and da da da hard as nails very well respected and anyone who's out in Bournemouth knows you that that that's why I think the whole nation has gone crazy on this and especially people in the Dorset who personally know you yeah so obviously you know I'm coming from back from like 20 20 old years on the door I did yeah from from time at Bournemouth uni um and you're talking all sorts of doors like really nice doors I see a clute clute we had a really good you know you were ahead of our vip at Bournemouth sevens festival yes you also do you remember do you remember the time when there was a streaker come on the pitch and you were chasing naked streaker so yeah I I remember that.

16:41I was standing in a VIP section next to one. I think that was the time when it was live on Sky. You had one of the matches. And the cameraman goes, you're not going to do anything. I was thinking, oh, God, I've got to now. And any security knows. You're in a lose-lose situation. You're either going to catch him or end up rolling around with a naked dude in front of everyone. So, again, I came up straight where he wasn't going to see me. Got him. But the funny story of that is, George, I don't even remember. So, got him. You know, he was fine. He was absolutely fine. Top, top, dude. so when I went back to the VIP section and about half an hour later a girl comes up to me and she goes oh what happened to that guy and I think I think you'd allowed him to stay in because he was quite happy he was happy so I said do you know what no he just said please don't do it again and he's gone back in and said that's really nice the atmosphere was absolutely awesome and she goes right so I'll just let you know my friend over there she's going to streak in a minute if you she wants you to catch her and I've got the photos from the audience she wants you to catch her if you don't let her do it there's 10 of us going to do it so you can't do it or you let her go and you give her a 10 second head start and I'm standing there thinking what choice have I got the match is either going to be over because there's going to be 10 naked chicks streaking or there's one and she's going to let me catch her so yep she came on with a horse's head ripped her leg off yeah streaking across the pitch and I'm like oh my god I've got to get another one so I've got two in one shift that must be like 2012 or something 2013 or something something like that but it was fun Again, like we used to say on the door and things, how you treat people is set in the atmosphere.

18:13So on the door, you're the first face they see. You can filter people out. You can set people in the right mood for a nice night. And that's it. And 20 years of doing that is really important. Absolutely. Well, you've built your respect up around Bournemouth for many, many years. Going back to that incident then, What happened that got your right-hand man at that time? What happened to him? Did he grass you up? So what happened was... Did he grass you up? So what happened was we were struggling with this person. Now, I'd like to say you can see I'm concerned because it's key indicators. One is I'm telling this person not to struggle.

18:51Two, I tell the crowd to get back. I'm aware of the crowd. So maybe the other person isn't aware. Not in a bad... Maybe they've just not been in that situation before. So, you know, that's... I then radio... I'm the one that uses the radio to call for backup. So I'm aware, geez, this is getting bad. We need other people. The other person didn't. When the backup gets there and he's handcuffed, there's four of us. I'm still the one watching, sees where the knife comes from. So, you know, it was experience, I'd say. Now, when they've gone back, they've been shocked at the language I've used. Because maybe the language, maybe they were out of their comfort zone.

19:25I don't know. Maybe they were like, geez, I've never been in this situation before. Which is bad. Who complained about the language? The other three officers put in complaints about me for language and behaviour during the arrest. You're joking me. No, and it all came out in a hearing. So three other of your colleagues. Yes. Grashed you up saying you used bad language and you were too forceful. Basically, yes. And the individual didn't complain and we got a knife, obviously. Now, I think you saw that knife, yeah? Yes, man, I did. It's a double-ended. Now, one of those officers described that as a small knife.

19:56That's not a small knife. Now, from my. Can you do, Ollie, can you do me a favour? can you get a photo of the knife up please we'll go we're going back we'll go back i want to have a look because because that shows maybe a lack of understanding of threat yeah which is which is really bad because we've got a pcc going up to knife victims family saying hey we're doing everything we can to prevent knife crumble your own officers are calling deadly weapons the same size that unfortunately have caused death in this town and calling them small knives now i call it a deadly knife you see how a word can change something and that that's that's what this has gone on about how a word can change something that's not a small knife that was a deadly knife and if it was a machete it might look bad but anyone that knows a machete needs a lot of contact space so i would have been i would have been better up close if it was a machete that that thing there yeah all it would have done was was literally taken one little slit down the leg i could have my arteries gone permanent scar into that you know that's a that's just under a 15 A 16-year-old lad is carrying this around the streets of Bournemouth.

20:55That was after he'd been in two incidents of potential violence. Now, what's to say that if I hadn't stopped him, there wasn't going to be a third where maybe that knife had come into play, either with, you know, get used on him or get used on someone else. The main thing is that came off the street. Yeah. Mate, massive respect, mate. I get it. I get it. I see it. Massive respect. I don't know why Dorset police have sacked you. I don't understand why because the footage is there. if the footage wasn't on YouTube people would just make up oh what was he bad what did he do did he elbow him did he put the nut on him I could have done so much more dude mate I've seen you I've seen you in action mate you would have it would have been annihilated like but my point is you were just strong yep and forceful in a nice way okay you used the word bitch but I didn't go in using that word but so what let's have a look at this I got out of the car and I'm you're under arrest my interpretation I was going to get him my intention was to pin him against the wall pin him against the wall which is what we did in conflict resolution for Dorsoft back in SI when it got introduced back 2002 when it first got introduced and we were working with Frontline which is Pete Boucher's old company bless him one of the best around now we did a conflict management course and it was determined to pin someone against the wall is the safest option because they can't get any swing on any moves and also it decreases their escape options so he then is the one that's pulled under so we had to slow motion in the hearing they weren't interested in my opinion until I slow motioned it down and they're like you've seen it before No, I haven't.

22:21But with any sport, if you're going to analyse a movement, you're going to go through it in slow motion. But why? I don't understand why your three colleagues grassed you up, and I don't understand why you've been sacked. Because there's a lad there walking around the street with a dangerous knife. You've pinned him down. You've just pinned him down. You've got him nicked, and job done. Why would the old people not back you and go, do you know what? Well done, Lorne. Thank you. it's another one off the streets. And then the press get hold of it and go, Law and Castle's taking another one off the streets, guys, another knife crime.

22:56Because I've seen the knife crime rise rapidly in this town. Like, I mean, rapidly. We can go into that a little bit later. I'm still in shock on why you have been sacked.

23:10Well, I think that maybe the three officers at first brought it to the attention of the sergeants, I think that maybe they'd never been in that situation before. So, you know, I don't want to talk badly about them. Is a sergeant above you? A sergeant is above me. Okay. I've never wanted to go for promotion simply because I like doing the job on the street. You know me. I like doing the job on the street. I keep the streets as safe as I can through engagement. And do you know what? Most of the people I've ended up arresting or dealing with in nightclubs, I get on with. Born with a small town. I'm not one to create enemies.

23:41And that's why I've got a lot of people coming back and saying, fair enough, I was playing up last night. Sorry if I caused your house. Yeah, no worries at all. Because it's never personal. And that's what I've learned. It's never personal. but I think these people coming into police now, maybe these officers, haven't dealt with as much conflict at that point, you know, and it's all new to them, which is no disrespect. It's all new to them to think, blimey, I've never heard someone swear and I've never seen that sort of thing. But I think if you look at it and you think, well, you were holding his arm and there's a clip, you know, I could ping it to you or if you look at it, we can overlay it.

24:12But they've put on YouTube, if you slow down, and my colleague's holding one of his arms and he deliberately gets arm free and pulls it back towards his waist. And you see me put my slob up and knee across. I'm like, right, I'm on my own here. Now, no disrespect, but I realised, right, okay, I'm on my own here, you know, and that's what I've got to do. Because all it would have taken was one little slice. And some of them, they carry razor blades under their watches, you know. And so when I said he was dangerous, I was right. I didn't know how dangerous, you know. I said he was potentially dangerous.

24:43So did he get nicked? Oh, yeah, I arrested him. What did he get for that, for carrying a weapon? I didn't deal with it, but I've read all the... So the two assaults, I only nicked him for one assault. So I think the assault in McDonald's, the 14-year-old went home, didn't want to get involved, which is fair enough. Some people don't want to get involved because they want to hide away. I don't know why. And the first guy, unfortunately, didn't support, as in no victim, no crime, with a witness statement sort of thing. But then I arrested him for possession of a knife. And so the two assaults were sort of written up as like, well okay no victim no crime they did happen so he was being violent and he was involved in conflict and then possession of knife and he got dealt with what's called an out of court disposal now i don't know what that is but the problem is and i you know my kids have been through school my kids went through one of the local schools it was in a little bit of um it was a a school in in sort of like looking at um behavior issues and then they got in what's called like consequences ladder of consequences and I tell you it's changed through one of its results have been phenomenal and all it is is about understanding there are consequences for actions you know in consequential actions and so I think you know you've got to realise that if you take a knife like that out you are prepared to use it there's got to be consequences in defence or attack you're going to be you're prepared it's illegal to take so therefore you regardless of age sadly you need to be dealt with with the consequences because that will put you off what did he get what did he get an out of court disposal which means what I don't know what it was it could have been an online don't carry a knife thing for all I know and that's it go to a workshop I don't know something like that how are we meant to stop knife crime if someone's carrying they get nicked for carrying it's proof you've seen the photo you've got sacked he's got a little slap on the wrist and said don't do it again how was the knock on effect for all the other 15, 30 year old whatever age you are carrying on the streets there's no there's no prevention there to go you're caught with a knife bam Em, you've got two years in Nick.

26:43Don't do it again. Everyone else will go, oh my God, put the knives away. Exactly. It's consequential actions. And that's the issue. And that's why maybe we're seeing, unfortunately, a huge rise in knife carrying across the country, across the nation. I go to consequences with the kids I've taught for many, many, many years, right, in Thai boxing. Now, you know me. I've got people. We train all over the world. I've had people fighting in Vegas, Tokyo Dome, Bangkok Palace, Barbados. You know, I've got people that go everywhere. So what I say to the kids is I sort of dangle that carrot. even if you get a you know say you get caught with a i don't know a little cannabis joint or anything like that if you get any sort of criminal blemish you know at all it might be only small for you from please but for me you won't get what's called an ester to go to the states you won't be allowed to so so therefore you've got to decide you know about how good at your tie boxing you are your actions might prevent you from from following the footsteps of all my champions and that has been you know that's why they behave because i dangled that character be like look you follow the right path because otherwise you might not be able to do these rewards you know what happened that night you wrote the report what happened the next day when did you start realizing that something wasn't feeling right so next day went in absolutely nothing dealt with a couple of jobs like normal worked on and that's the thing you know you go home and you think flipping heck i haven't seen my kids because i got home from a 15 hour shift so from i left before they were up got home after 15 hours then denise everyone was asleep i'm still dealing with a I think, shit, if I had gone wrong, Denise could be getting a knock on the door.

28:10I was that close. And you sit there, but then you package it up. Next shift, get up in the morning, leave before they're up again. You go in, deal with your work. Maybe a day later, it's like, well, there was a bit of swearing in that. Write up what's called an NDM. So I wrote me NDM, which is fine. National Decision-Making Model Justifying My Actions. I think that was a tactical decision at that point. I'm not proud of the language. And I'm not. For people to say that. Mate, mate, who gives a shit about what language you're using? Someone's carrying a blade. You're doing a job. You're getting this person off the street.

28:41Who cares what language you're using? You said, oh, I got to a point where you're struggling. If you stop struggling, I'm going to smash you. You wouldn't have smashed him because you know this camera's on you. What are you meant to say? So if you're not struggling, I'll strike you. Well, if strike was a word, I didn't see any difference. Does it really matter whether it's strike or smash? Well, that's right. Number one. Does it even matter that you're speaking louder than him to make all the people behind, and put the fear up them as well, that you're serious here. Yeah. And also, if you think about it, the cameras, microphones are here, right?

29:10The crowd is behind. There was a witness statement that said, I'm only calling in at a time because there's an officer struggling on his own, because that's what it looked like to him. And there's a group gathering behind him, yelling, and I'm concerned about the group. I'm concerned for the officer's safety. That was a member of the public that phoned in at the time. The microphone didn't really fully pick them up. And also, when he's gone to the ground, my God, he started screaming. that was a you know I'm thinking is this a diversion is he trying to get his mates to help I'm literally processing so many thoughts trying to keep myself safe he's struggling you know and I said I think I did a damn good job that nobody got injured and to be criticised for it and then publicly tried to be humiliated and knowing the reason I've done it I've come out strong is because I know in my heart of hearts I did nothing wrong not even one iota and that's me right if I'd have been even a little bit of self-doubt to think, do you know what, Lorne?

30:03I should have done. I wish I didn't do that. I wish I didn't do that. I wish I didn't put, you know, put a few extra digs in or something, which I would never do. Or like, oh God, I got him in an arm bar and I really wrenched it and that's why he's got ligament damage. I didn't. I didn't do anything. I was trying to be so gentle, but like in a UFC, MMA training, there's an expression, you know, saying tap before snap. And it was at a point when I was getting him, he was really resisting. I was thinking, my God, I don't want to cause any injury because, you know, ligament damage is really bad and it would take a long time to injure.

30:33But you were saying, I don't want to cause injury because, you know, the cameras are on you. There was no wind. There was no wind. There was no wind. I think you did an amazing job what you did to get that knife crime off the streets. It's gone. I want to know. I'm really intrigued on when you realised that you were seen as the black sheep. So it went to the beginning of the next night shift sets. We had a few days off, maybe four days after. and we come in for a night shift at 8 o 'clock in the evening, 8 till 7 in the morning we're going to do. That sounds brutal, by the way. 8 in the evening until 7 in the morning.

31:04Or it's hectic. Around Boscombe and Bournemouth. Yeah. I mean, I lived my life, I felt jet lagged. Yeah. You know, because you're constantly doing rotating shifts. So I come in at 8 o 'clock and the whole squad's been cleared out of the room. I'm like, what's going on? Oh, you've got to come in the office. Okay, so come in the office, sit down. Bearing in mind, for 10 years, I've been nothing but commended for my actions, right? um got to serve papers on you for for this it's gone to to to this superintendent uh over that time of professional standards ricky dander has decided it's going to grace misconduct i was like you're joking so like half eight they're like well look you can't work tonight just just go i'm like do you know no i've never been depressed or i'm a happy dude you know and and i said what shit it's like 8 30 at night what the hell is going on i can't go home because the kid didn't even put the kids to bed and i should go what's wrong with you and i don't want to burden her of it right now because you know i ended up walking along the beach until three in the morning just walking thinking what the hell you know and then i get back i'll go to sleep i think you know i'll try and explain to these in the morning but you know that was tough dude that was really tough because i had no idea what's going on so you know then like well you're going to be interviewed seven months later and i got a prep and this is throwing me into a spiral so they're like right you know yeah i was anxious so i got signed off with um anxiety and stress but stress work-related stress because because you know you can't go saying to someone right gross misconduct is all going to go in the press and for this is this way like literally the way they wrote it out you know you're going to be public enemy number one i'm thinking oh my god i've got kids but well basically that's how we've been it grotes me for swearing abuse of power and and you know excessive force i'm thinking jeez i was lucky not to get stabbed dude yeah you know so i got a month where i'm thinking you know and then the federal oh that's tough tough you know one of the worst videos i've seen i'm like so they drip feed you they drip feed you to lose your morale they isolate you because i can't go in can't talk to your friends but i'm lucky because i've got a lot of mates externally yeah you go to the interview and it's like so how long was this interview after that day you went you went to work the following day eight thirty eight o 'clock seven o 'clock eight o 'clock and then half an hour later how long was it until they interviewed you so it was about a month later so you had a month of your mind playing all sorts of games and it does play games sure it does you know don't mind me asking what was your salary when you were working 48 48 and you're looking after a wife four kids three kids three kids two kids because ones yeah like yeah literally yeah suddenly and that's the thing so not only are they potentially taking your your salary away yeah your pension because i couldn't retire at 55 like because obviously you'd get your pension at 55 if you retired early and then you know so that suddenly changed things and i'm like well but also you know what cv am i going to have because it's sacked for this is this right she i've given 10 years to you so like i'm in terms of anything denise we might have to sell the house you know and you can understand how and i've been reached out to by so many officers who've been in a dark place from this because you know they maybe haven't had things to fall back on or haven't luckily had the public support like i've had and they've been on their own dealing with it so i go into this interview who with um professional standards okay no i'm still quite confident because i know you know what i'm like lord i'm a nice guy i know what i did i'm you know hey there's no injuries i could have injured trust me trust me i could have I could have gone through all of them like a hot knife through butter I'm like I was Jesus struggling not to cause any pain I was like in the interview and you know they go what's it they go one way why didn't you pull up in front of him walk up to him and just take him by the arm and say excuse me sir can we have a chat I was like did they honestly say that that is how I felt Dodge and I thought I can't laugh at you because you're but I'm like I don't want to this is a masked individual I don't know who he is he's attacked two people he's with two others at the moment I believe you know he had a knife you didn't know he had a knife on your lawn no but when do you want me to find out when he sticks it in me it's a bit late then isn't it you know and it's like my risk assessment was if I walked towards him he would run like he ran in town or if I took him by one arm he's going to use his other arm to punch me you know we ran a campaign for many years called One Punch Can Kill which is obviously about Sally street violence to try and put people off because you can have, you know, irreversible effects from just one punch.

35:30And you're telling me now that one punch is ASB? You know, it's not one punch can kill. My risk assessment was he was very potentially dangerous. You don't have to have a weapon to be dangerous. I've been bitten. I've been spat at. I've taken hold of a County Lions drugs runner who's tried to break my thumb from the grip. They'll go for the weakest position. You know, I've had my testicles grabbed and twisted. There's no rules on the street for People don't want to get away. Yeah. You know, and if you're using rule, which I was, I didn't go in. I didn't go straight in and go, oi, you look right up behind me.

36:00You're under arrest, you bitch. Yeah. I was quite similar. You're under arrest. Yeah. Got him against the wall. When he takes it to the ground is when I'm in an uncomfortable zone. Yeah, I lose control of the situation because the worst place to be is on the ground when there's a crowd on the street. In an MMA match or jiu-jitsu, when you've got a matted floor, you've got a referee, there's rules take them to the ground because then you're obviously you know you're you're negating the strikes yeah but on the street no way you're gonna hit i remember we hit the ground on my hand i hit the ground on my hand first so that sort of instantly i was like damn it you know there's people around one kick it can from it can all be over one knife in the back you know he's there you know he could roll me off i could roll hit my head on the wall there's so many variables and unknown you do not want to be on the ground go back to that go back to your go back to what they said then yeah so you could have walked up to him in the front taking him by the arm and said excuse me sir come here for chat ridiculous what was the next thing they said um then they started analyzing you know everything i said you've taken him here you've sworn you've and i'm like but but look how much he's struggling yeah and and we think they almost put themselves in his mindset he's struggling you put him in fear why are they why are they why are they protecting someone who carrying a knife and not protecting someone who's in their team.

37:14Why? Well, this is the whole thing. Even the prosecution, the prosecution, when we went to the hearing, their whole defense, which I thought was really sad from Dorset Police position, was almost protecting the knife carrier. That's what I mean. They gave many reasons why he was scared. Do you know what? He probably was scared. He was scared of getting caught. When someone runs from the police, they're not scared they're going to get, like, beaten up. They're scared they'll get caught and whatever's on them is going to get seized. You know, if they're a drug runner, if they've got cash, if they've got something stolen.

37:43That's why they're running. They're running because they're scared of getting caught. He was scared of getting caught. He was doing everything to get away. And if he wasn't scared, you know, if he was scared of me, when the other officers turned up, he would have gone, oh, please, thank you, save me. He didn't. He continued struggling with those four. So that's what I tried using. From my point of view, it was just common sense. I've been in that situation many times. I did 20 years of a door and retained my license. I didn't get it taken away. 20 years. I'm a small guy. You know, I mean, do you remember Thomas Trevinsky on the door of Clue?

38:12One of the best guys I've worked with. 145k of international MMA fighting. Wonderful guy, you know. Me, 75k of UK Bournemouth person, you know. But pound for pound 75k is very, very different. I've seen you in action. Yeah, mate. Yeah. So, you know, if you've done all that and you've never had your license taken away or on plane, 10 years on the force doing, you know, getting exemplary results. What we've got in our lives is our reputation. And you've got a wonderful reputation. And I know that the whole of Bournemouth and Dorset are going mad about this because they know your reputation. And now I'm seeing the whole country going mad about this.

38:51And that is what saved me. Do you know what? Do you know what the darkest moments were, Dodge? I can really say this and it really got me. I've never welled up before. But when I knew they were going to portray me as something I'm not. You know, I've inspired so many kids and so many people through my life. I've tried my best to really, you know, in this life. you're only ever going to leave a bit of a legacy and if my legacy is i can make people better versions of themselves and you know i can train people not to be as good as me but to be better than me i was an okay fighter you know i wasn't world champion by any means but i managed to train world champions so you know and i've given everything and the fear that they were gonna gonna yeah completely destroy my reputation my legacy and who i believed i am take take my essence away that meant more to me than anything and then throw me on a scrap heap still try to look after my family yeah my god that was the darkest moments and and i sometimes i wake up at two three in the morning just go for a walk around the block yeah i couldn't sleep for a year and a half so so so this so did this go on for a year and a half yes year and a half year and a half so were you allowed back into work so when you came back into work they were saying oh don't go near law and he's in his own room yeah was it you really treated like that i went back into work wasn't that sounds like a prisoner so after about four months i couldn't do it because it was getting really depressed you know i was going in and i was dreading the journey in yeah and i've never had depression before but i was literally i was getting in the car feeling ashamed feeling embarrassed about walking in that first door about who i'd see because i didn't see i'd almost drop my head and not look at him normally i'd have gone hey high five how you doing pick everyone up i couldn't be me yeah and it destroyed me and and i had to have you know then i had to have a few months i said do you know what it's not good for me so yeah i got signed off for the first time ever in my whole life with anxiety and stress, work-related stress.

40:38And it would have destroyed me if I'd carried on going in. It would have. But even when I was on the calls and doing that, I was doing my best for people. You know, there were people ringing in going, look, I was on the moment of despair and I would like to say Officer Castle, he really saved me. He went an extra mile and, you know, the referral he put in. But it was tough, you know, going in knowing you're shut away and knowing you're not supposed to talk to people. It must be awful. Knowing him going to work, knowing everyone's staring at you going, oh, he's bad, be careful. with more new recruits coming again i'll be careful alone don't be like yes that must have been that must have torn you apart in my in my career and there'll be some people who have left and they can stand up for me and there's been things that have been said and really really upset me so 2021 i was neighborhood police officer for a year and i don't know if you've seen the riot for that but right for that is phenomenal and it sums me up you know proactivity inspirational to the others you know really good i remember that's me yeah that's me yeah but Shortly after that, you know, I start getting my sergeant at the time, different sergeant I've got now, a different squad.

41:36So sergeant's the one above you? Yes. Okay. And, you know, you're bringing in a lot of work, Lorne. I'm not going out committing crimes. I'm doing what the public wants. The public are paying, yeah. So bringing in work is defined as almost as being frowned upon. And then he's sort of like a phrase I'll never forget. In front of everyone, my whole squad, PCSOs and everything. I don't know what. be less lawn and that cut deep because because i've been happy myself be less lawn and there was others in the squad that looked at that and i was like do you know what that's that's a bit that's hurt me yeah of course because i'm a good person everyone knows lawn's a good person and you know what are they trying to hit numbers i don't understand what goes on with the police are they trying to hit numbers to say the crime is a lot lower than it actually is i don't know but put it this way if i go down the street of winton yeah say i'm there i pick winton just out because that was my neighbor police area i could probably arrest uh you know if i've maybe detained someone that's wanted arrest the shoplifter or stop a drug deal or something like that maybe i'll get two or three people offenses if you had another officer that maybe didn't know where the crime spots were and went for a i don't know a walk in an area that that maybe there is no crime no low crime then they can put a few facebook posts up of them smiling in the sunshine out on patrol and there's no crime stats coming in for their patrol.

42:54So I don't want to say anything, but that's just a fact. You know, if you go out and you bring in work, you are doing what the community loves. In fact, there's one area. And again, I'll send an email to you from them. They've been absolutely enraged by this. The Charmings community group, the Upper Charmings community group, because I was assigned to them and they said, I can use this anywhere. Back in 2020, the poor residents, their area, was rife with drug dealing. And the secondary crime that leads on from drug dealing, say you've got an addict that's got a£300 a day addiction. No offence to that person, but roughly, and I don't quite be honest, but it's about, they get about 33p in a pound for stolen goods.

43:36So if they've got to get£300 for their drugs, they've got to nick roughly, they've got to have £1 ,000 worth of goods. That's a lot every day. Every day. That's cheese, meats, you know, alcohols, bikes, tools from sheds, wallets sunglasses left in cars you know and phones yeah and that's it so that's every day that's just one addict so I was sent to that area and their email and I'll send it to you so you can maybe read out a few quotes it's amazing they you know they were so happy and I had such an engagement with them and they said you changed our lives you changed our lives that has made such a difference coming in you were actively out on patrol and I wasn't talking the addicts they're addicts I'm not going to cure their addiction but they understand that do you know what you can't be doing that there's got to be ways and if I can maybe steer you to the right plot yeah I've got to arrest you for this because it's an offence why has drugs and knife crime and sexual assaults gone through the roof in Bournemouth in the last two years do you know I don't know but but it's becoming more prevalent you know and I mean I remember the days when I was going out and when I'm working the door we didn't have to think of we're going to metal detect everyone coming into to Lost Gardens and Clute and things like that because it just wasn't done.

44:52You know, the whole atmosphere was different in the 90s and early 2000s. It was different. There was still, I mean, include, for example, we'd have a members queue and a non-members queue. People valued being a member. They'd dress nice, they'd wear the right clothes. Now I don't think there's anywhere really like that. I think people's respect in everything has gone down. And with a lack of respect, lack of consequences, you then get the people that maybe have gone down that little bit lower, sadly, and they'll think, well, do you know what? I'll carry an eye. And it's not an excuse to carry an eye for your own protection because that's still against the law.

45:25You shouldn't feel that. You shouldn't feel that. And, you know, one of my door supervisors I worked with, Mark Smith, lovely guy, worked for years. When I first got into door work, you know, and he said something, a good security setup should be felt, but not seen. So you feel safe, but not seen. Now, when I used to go out in Bournemouth Gardens and everything in between the clubs, I felt safe. Same. I didn't see loads of police walking around. You didn't need to. But nowadays, I walk to the cinema and park in the car, I don't know, and walk in. And I am on alert. Yeah, same. You know, I don't feel comfortable.

46:03I look around. You know, and it's obviously... When I go into town, I don't go into town centre very often anymore because there's no reason to go in there. And everyone I know doesn't go into Bournemouth Town Centre anymore because when you do go in there, it's menacing. Yes. It's menacing of people from drunks running around, daytime fights. It's like, what is going on? What's happened to our beautiful town of Bournemouth? Bournemouth is the place where we all used to come down or Stag and Hens used to come down and be the safe, fun, happy place with five nightclubs open. No clubs, no bars. Restaurants are closing down.

46:36And it's just menacing on the streets. You see, I liken it to the 90s in New York, which they took over as what's called a broken window syndrome, which is where low level ASB is almost tolerated. When that's tolerated, other crime begins to get rife. And you look at it and, you know, when people stop dealing with low level ASB because they say, well, it's not threat risk and harm. It all escalates. It's escalated. And I think that's the issue. Agreed. Because if you didn't have all the addicts clearly sitting on the streets, which start walking around, like I say, no offense to them because addiction is a horrible thing.

47:11But if they're walking around, then the dealer is going to see we've got a lot of customers here. The dealer is going to bring it in. Then that's going to lead to sort of like drug rivalry on certain patches, like the ice cream wars, you know. And it just escalates from there. You know, you've got addicts. Unfortunately, they've got to, you know, fund their addictions. that comes to secondary crime then the police are you know we're getting in the mornings and you're getting a shift and you've got your own workload on each you've got four calls maybe outstanding and then suddenly maybe oh you're set to prisoner watch or hospital watch i can't get on anyway and let alone have time to go out and do proactive negative patrol to prevent the next lot coming in now i was always a prevention person because that's why i joined you know and when you go for example to to a victim of a crime it could be it could be an elderly person you've into and they've had their house burgled.

48:01You know, their husband died a little while ago and their wedding rings have gone. Their last memories. Now, I know we might catch that person through forensics and it's going to take time. Never going to get back what you've lost. Because that's gone. Do you think, after being in the Old Biff of Tunes, do you look in and go and there's less the police force is not strong enough. The police force is not big enough and there's a lot of things wrong with Dorset Police right now. I don't want to say there's a lot of things wrong because i i stay tell me what's wrong with dorset police what you would do if you could wave a magic wand today what would you do to get bournemouth back to where it used to be i think that somehow the police need to be a more visual presence on the streets in the communities to actively deter yeah crime being committed you know now that's not going to be easy however you do that but but that needs to be that needs to be the number one priority you need to have visual high you know high visual on the street that are capable of prevention you know now that needs to be done that will make a change people need to feel safe walking down the streets i end of i hear you so why can't we do that you'd have to ask someone higher than me no no no no i'm asking you why why can't we have more police on the streets and have presence in bournemouth because of the workloads because we get in and literally bang you're set to go to a prison watch go to this go to this go to this so you don't get to make up your own mind do you know i'm going to go out on on active preventative patrol for example on a night shift you know yeah it's hell you know it's it's hell trying to stay awake but i used to go out every hour i could patrolling you know because i know that in the station i'm not going to do anything you know i will go out patrolling because you know if i pass by i might see someone right actually what you're doing this time of night oh you're wanted or i saw you trying that car door handle brilliant i've got the grounds for a search um or they might see you duck down i think crikey i'm i'm getting out of here because i don't want to get caught yeah you know a member of the public might be putting their dog out for a last walk or something and see a police car going by at two in the morning going oh it makes him feel better you know you we need to be out there police need to get out and that's what happened in the 90s it was literally tackle the load but we say we say i'm sure want to get to the bottom of this we say we need people to get we seems to me we don't have enough police to do that do you know what you run rugby seventh dodge yeah that's a big old site

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53:21You've got more people going there than, say, the gardens in Bournemouth Square have. Yeah. Yet the gardens in Bournemouth Square, I wouldn't feel safe. No. So I would say to you and the public, it needs to be run more professionally. Yeah. It doesn't matter how many pairs of boots you've got. Like, you know, if you had a wrong security firm and you just had a load of boots, that's how many security you've got. They're just there. No, they've got to be strategically in the right places. They've got to communicate right. They've got to make sure they're rotation. They've got to make sure that the searches are right.

53:51and unless you can keep the areas of bournemouth safe like you keep the seven safe or you know that's the problem you know we've got enough people on an evening shift between police um cssas which are a community safety accreditation scheme sometimes in the middle of bournemouth they also have um independent i think it was insight i think they had on the streets last year and the year before i don't quote me on that but i think it was inside now they all sort of work together but they don't work together if you were in charge of of you had a map yeah i guarantee you you would get those resources and you would utilize them a far sight better and the whole of bournemouth will feel safer yeah it's it's it's down to i think i could nail that do you see what i mean absolutely and there's a surface area we've got 67 acres of land where we do first so there's a surface area around the area go we need to place them there there there there there and communicate and bring everyone together.

54:41So if there's more yellow bibbed office, bibbed, I don't know what the right terminology is, the yellow luminous jacket, the high viz, and they have strategically put in the right places and you're all communicating, people start coming back into Bournemouth because they feel safe. At the moment, as a bloke, I've got my wits about me going to Bournemouth. I never used to have that. As a Londoner, I lived in Brixton and Clapper and all these areas where it was mad back in the day. I moved down to Bournemouth 20 years ago, I'm like, this is beautiful down here. Everyone's polite and kind and it might be a few boozy people having a laugh and people are dancing and having a laugh with the coppers and da-da-da.

55:14You're going there now. It's menacing. Yeah. It's not... I know the amount of people that I know who don't go into Bournemouth. Yeah. And it's like... It's sad. But you see what I mean about how it should be run? Like, you understand... Yeah. ...people, areas, access, you know... Security. That is what it needs to be taken care of. Unfortunately, a lot of the police, how they're doing it, they don't come from that background. They're very good in policing. Great. And we do have stresses and, you know, if it's an RTC, you might get a sudden lot pulled off, but you won't get the CSAS. You won't get the...

55:44What's RTC? A road traffic accident. You know, you might see four or five units sent there. So, you know, that's one of the issues. But it needs to be strategically managed as if it was a festival. Proper operation? That's maybe where the council... Who's the boss? Who's the boss of Dorset Police? We'd be talking to Chief is Amanda Pearson. Okay. And she's the top woman, is she? The top person. Okay. And is she... I've never... Is she proactive? is she i've never seen her out there is she is she a face is she is she the voice again i i don't know there's a lot of stresses at top level there's a lot of things from you know other other crimes other things and and such like that so i think maybe the council need to work more with the police because it's you're telling me the council and police don't work closely together they do but like i'm saying the licensing work with you don't yeah so when you're doing a festival they work with you yeah you have to do a certain thing we go out of our way to work with them as well.

56:37That's exactly it. So, you know, and the council will probably work with you as well, you know, roads and things. So, and that results in a really safe event for 30 ,000 people. There's alcohol there. It's not that there's a no alcohol one. There's alcohol, there's dancing, you know, that works well. That product needs to be copied and emulated for the town. That's what I'd say. That top woman, Amanda, who is she accountable to? pre-government level, I would say. I don't know. I stayed on a street level, copper. Okay. But my point is, if it's not working, that person has to be accountable. Yeah.

57:17If it's not working, and Bournemouth is definitely not working. So that person has to be accountable. Who's she accountable to? That's a bit I want to know. Because you can't just... I don't know the lady, and I'm sure she's lovely. But just as a businessman looking, you can't just allow that to happen. Yeah. If you're not doing your job properly, and there's more crime coming on, we'll come on the same. Surely that person has to be taken away and someone has to be slotted in that place. Or surely that person who's at the head needs to bring someone in level with me, go, come, we need to crack down on this.

57:45Because if we crack down on the petty theft and the drugs and everything else going on, if we nip that in the bud, that's going to give the confidence of everyone's coming back into town again. Which is the knock-on effect of business owners running businesses, whether it's clubs, restaurants, bars, clothes shops. They need footfall. And if there's no footfall, they're all closing down before you know it it's going to turn into like a third world town yeah and and it is you know people aren't going to want to come in because you see empty units in bournemouth and i can't imagine many businesses going you know what looking at what's walking by that's exactly the client the customer base we need because it probably wouldn't even pay for the rates let alone the rent let alone your staff yeah so you know it needs to be i i personally think that that somewhere along the line they need to look at look at that like you would look at that as a commercial venture.

58:34They need to look at it commercially. And like I say, the 90s, you know, it was very much in USA, in New York, we are broken window syndrome. Because if you can tackle the street level stuff, that's what people see. That's what affects them. And, you know, I think from what's happened with me has been a little bit of a perfect storm because... And people aren't really happy with what police are doing at the moment, whether it be right or wrong. They see in the paper, oh, six have gone to arrest for a social media post and this and this. So the feeling isn't good because, you know, I've had so many messages from people all over the country.

59:10We want Officer Castle. We want officers like you in our town. I don't let my kids in a park after six o 'clock because it's unsafe. Do you feel there is two-tier policing in the UK? I don't know. I can't say. Do you feel this two-tier policing in Bournemouth? I policed my way. If a crime happened in front of me, I dealt with it. And I think everyone should be the same regardless. You know, you do your own individual threat risk analysis. If it's there in front of you, you deal with it. It's very tough when you're sitting with jobs that you're told to do and you're taken away to other places. So you've got no freedom to go, do you know what?

59:51I'm going on the streets. I need some freedom. to, I know, you being clued up, you can identify dealers. You can certainly, you know where to go. You know where someone's serving up. You know someone's serving up, they're bound to be carrying, da, da, da. But you haven't, what you're saying is you haven't got the time though because when you come on to shift, they'll go, oh, there was, um. We've got this and this and this call. Karen's car's been nicked or go and see Karen or go and see that, go and see that, go and see that. But there's not enough. There's too much crime for you to deal with it all.

1:00:14That's a very good way of explaining it. Yeah. So you'll be chasing the tail. Wow. Do you see what I mean? Wow. Rather than trying to proactively stop. Because, you know, say, for example, you stop one person trying car door handles in a night shift. Potentially, that's maybe up to five to ten crimes that are going to be not recorded in the morning. Five to ten crimes that might have to be dealt with. Is it your line boss who says, when you come in and say, that needs to be dealt with, Lorne? It's the sergeants and the inspectors. They deal with what they call the demand. I mean, think of it like, but then that comes in from triaging at a source, like ambulance.

1:00:46you know the amount of calls they get in they got to treat it must be a really hard job to work it out how would you explain what two-tier policing is in your terminology it's when you probably treat people differently for for the same sort of crime you know um and and from my point of view i've never looked at it like that and i've never done that's why that's why up until now but you but you do you ever see within the police force something's happened there is it easy for them to rip that up and go you know that's too much for headache for us to deal with and it's probably not good on our stats no i think that gets more to when you you go into the maybe the the um the criminal justice side so we do our work we package a job up yeah and then it's not up to us sometimes the the result as in whether it reaches a threshold okay for for going to where does that sit uh that sits with criminal justice okay so cjs criminal justice service so that that's a completely different thing we we we almost gather the evidence and package it off to them yeah and then it'll come back and you might do you might do tons of hours on a job tons you know a lot of hours off the street investigating for it to come back are they they've said cps grand prosecution service said no no further action and it's like something you've got frustrating yeah it's sad because you know all your efforts you've done all the forensics all the time that you could have been out preventing other crimes yeah but again you've almost you've done a lot for the victim you know they know well the more hours you spend and then you've got to go back and break the news and this could be a sexual assault victim a victim uh uh you know someone that's lost all of their all of their stuff in a in a house burglary and you've got to break the news that maybe it's not good that r word you just used there that makes my blood boil imagine having your daughter knowing that that's happened to your daughter.

1:02:36Ollie, can you get me some stats, please, on that horrible R word on how many there were last year in Bournemouth, please? And you've got to remember, the R word there, they're the only ones that got reported. Imagine if you were a girl and going, I don't want anyone to know this happened to me. I'm not going to report it. And that's the toughest thing, you know, and that's what I think people don't understand that policing is a really hard job because you know you're you're going from waking up in the morning saying bye to your family suddenly you might be going to a fresh niner on someone that's woken up that morning and they are saying this has just happened to me they're in turmoil yeah you're the first person they they're loading out to yeah right okay right you know you've got to be empathetic enough to to treat them good but also know right okay we've got to we've got to deal with this right because forensics got to be done properly um and also we need to make sure that you're you're mentally okay and look after you but we've also got to gather the evidence so it's a really hard job job is now we're explaining what it's like to be a copper it is unbelievably hard unbelievably you're emotionally giving people time you're then going out nicking people then you'll have to write a report every time you nick someone and then this is taking up more time when you could be actually on the streets protecting the streets it's it's really tough how would you how would you check again wave a magic one how would you change the policing system for you being on the street to knowing what you have to go through to knowing the energy you have to put in certain things get a bloody report on that lady what a nightmare where i can actually be on the street and be the face and actually making people feel safe it's a tough one i mean that's why pcsos were effectively brought in they're called police community service officers i started my career as a pcso yeah and you get paid for that yeah yeah that's a paid role what's the difference between a community officer and someone a normal so a community officer doesn't have power of arrest and things like that so but they still wear the uniform so i did a year of that and believe me that is tougher than being a police because you you're on the street you won't get called away to to say a road traffic collision or a sexual offense because you don't deal with it so you're on this you're the face of a street area you don't have a power of arrest you don't have handcuffs you don't have any any appointments to try and you know defend yourself so you've only got a power negotiation so that's where I first went and I think that should be a really good start if anyone going into police.

1:04:57Well you learn your trade how to negotiate everything we do in life you're negotiating whether it's with your kids whether you're doing a deal we're all negotiating every single day so you learn your trade doing that but imagine doing that with no powers no handcuffs no nothing not allowed to nick anyone that sounds like the worst situation you could ever be in and then being called a plastic copper you know what I mean the whole thing on top of it but at the end of the day if you do it well the way you talk the way you present yourself you get respect from people and people know that like from the days on the door you know and it's how you hold yourself how you how you communicate with everyone of course it is so but you're very good at calming situations down I've seen you in action you're very good at a good doorman always calms the situation down you know have we got any stats on that?

1:05:42yeah so 417 knife-lag incidents in 2024 Jesus Christ 417 knife crimes in Bournemouth in 2024 and And then sexual violence, 31 in just equal last year, and 300 over the year. My God, 300 plus in Bournemouth last year. It's just sad, isn't it? Mate, just put that, I can't even begin to think what it was like for a female that happening to them. Like, we use this word like quite, oh yeah, oh, that's a nightmare, that's a nightmare. Just go back on what you'd feel like if you were a girl that has happened to you, how that will affect the rest of your life. Every day when you wake up, every night before you go to bed, every time you're not busy, your mind's wandering on something.

1:06:33You know, and I think it's everyone, all of us, realistically, in their heart of hearts, their best interest would be to have a safer community. Everyone wants Bournemouth to be nicer. Even the people, sadly, that are involved in stuff that might not be the best, they know that there's a way out. and there's a simple there's a simple equation here get more coppers on the streets communicate to us all via the power of a podcast if I could get I'd like to get a man what's her surname Amanda Amanda Pearson why don't we get Amanda Pearson on the podcast because you can if you are in the council you are in the police you haven't really got a voice you know you haven't got a voice you'll have a voice when the newspaper decides there's a big bad crime and the top person got awarded something amazing, wonderful.

1:07:24But actually to have Amanda here or anyone on that who's high up in the Dorset Police, I'd love to have an honest conversation here and find out because millions of people will listen to this and watch this. All of a sudden, cards are on the table. Then there probably won't be that heated, horrible feeling where people just want to blame the police. Yes. Because that must be awful for what you guys are going through. And I know enough people on the bobbies on the streets are all lovely people. They must be all thinking, oh man, what's going on? This is an absolute nightmare, but I also don't want to lose my job.

1:07:57Yeah. I don't want to lose my job. I don't want to have my notice in. I've got a family to feed. I'm on 35 grand. I'm making, just about making ends meet, paying my mortgage and paying my bills. I'm doing a job I don't really like because I haven't got a lot of support from the people above me. There's no win here. No. I mean, I think that the reason my thing has really caught attention is because like I say people aren't really happy with their perception of what the police are doing at the moment and how they're working they want to see them more out you know there's two things that everyone in the country is up in arms ground one is illegal immigration this is nothing to do with that and two is they don't feel safe in their communities well if you don't feel safe in your community go into the shops you know that's a major failure you don't feel safe walking your kid to school and back you may as well be a prisoner so the fact that they looked and said well this officer he's he's actually arrested a masked violent person who had a knife we we want that here and i've had the proof of that has been literally thousands of people messaging me also it's a knife offense yeah you know that's a vicious you know end us would you ever think about going into politics do you know after the the turmoil of the last week i would probably just want to hide away and never be seen again go live in a little thai boxing gym in thailand with my family and do that.

1:09:16Because what I've noticed is there's people out there who twist everything. There's two sides to every coin. But if you don't turn it over, you're not going to see. Now I can say something and you'll get someone very cleverly twisting it, editing it. So it just takes the end of a sentence off or something like that. But that's why these conversations are so good. Nothing gets edited. Exactly. You can't hide in an hour and a half conversation. So, you know, I just want, I would like to just go back to running a gym to be perfectly honest because that is where I see I've done the best good in society and you can see from all the comments people have trained 20 years ago no you trained me when I was a kid you were the best influence I had in my childhood you've influenced thousands of kids mate I've seen it firsthand and everyone respects you I want to know that moment you were made to feel like rubbish and put in a room and da da da da to the moment when this all went public so yeah went public last week tell me what's happened in your world in the lead up to it going public did you still have the fear that you were going to be made to look like the bad man awful coming up to the coming up to the hearing which was last week which was last week literally the last few days i was thinking i was i was almost just not going to turn up because i knew that what was going to happen they were going to crucify me i'm pretty sure so i was pretty sure that they'd already had a had a decision made and i can tell you this because in october of 23 we got sent to a missing person at night avon river burst elderly person have been lost right we're there loads of units there standards you're not allowed in the water there she is right in the middle of a river on a corner you saved her in the middle in the middle freezing cold right so yeah you know someone leans out says there's a hoop go there so right find a place near as i can get to her everything with my colleagues stripped my heavy stuff off tied the rope around me went in straight in my colleagues were behind me went in holding anchoring me but i remember you know and you got a massive award for that just an yeah yeah so yeah we got we got an award yeah and then this happened in january we're not from the award and then i'm off and i get a get message from one of my colleagues oh you're coming to the awards ceremony what what award ceremony oh you're coming to the awards for for river rescue i haven't had an email had a look no didn't have an email so anyway long and short of it you know i rang the national humane society this yeah yeah we're awarding you this it's really good department well done thank you we've sent it to dorset police so i asked this inquiries and dorset police said ah we're going to hold on to it until after your gross misconduct trial hearing it's not yours to hold on to yeah and you're going to give it to everyone else my dad had just had a stroke he might not make it until then i'm so this is at that point i knew they'd made their mind up yeah okay i don't mean funny i came up with the whole plan i executed the plan i was on the end of a rope and and then no no you're not so you knew i knew you know in my heart so so this whole were they paying you up until the court hearing so you you you get with the federation as well up to full pay uh depending on paying like insurance it covers it and such and then it goes to half pay so it dropped down a bit so how long how long had you been living on half pay for uh about three or four months which is tough because of course you know my bills didn't go down half so i just thought you know what i don't want to be publicly crucified i hate to say i thought there's no point law and and the anxiety builds up yeah i'm sure and it was a dark place i was really really the closer it got More so for your reputation.

1:12:31That was it. Yeah. And I thought, no, this isn't right. So I'm going to go. And then literally Denise was standing by me and she was in my corner this time. I've taken her all around the world and I've been in her corner. Literally. She was there. She said, no, no, I'll come. I'll come as well. Wonderful fighter as well. Brilliant. Thank you. She has done phenomenally well. Amazingly well. An ambassador. Very well presented outside the ring as well. Well, she's very well respected. Yes. And she's a very calm, nice human being. But she's also... Ferocious. Ferocious. so and then one of me old colleagues said Lorne I've got a week off annual leave he lives in Wales I'm coming down you're not going in without me I'm going to come in every day and make sure you go in and out and so I was like okay and then Chris Aimey my ex one of my ex chiefs who isn't in the force anymore I rung him I said boss I'm still calling him boss because I've got respect for him I've been a real mess do you know and for me a 46 year old I was like I'm going to he said look just come over mate hadn't seen him for years over his house 20 minutes fine sorted right okay he gave me the confidence to go in gave me the confidence on the court hearing day the yeah the hearing day so where was the hearing at winfrey where's that exactly over in wool so miles away on his own so they isolate you do you know what i mean it's done miles always a public hearing but no one's going to come over there i said can't we do it in bournemouth uni because i've got a lot of people interested in this no no no no no you can't ask for that i was like well no because i want it to be fair yeah you know so anyway when in day one is just the accusations just the allegations.

1:13:56And to be honest, most of them were disproven because they were false. Yeah. And all the allegations from the officers giving evidence against you. So the headlines... So when you were in that room, there's officers giving evidence against you. Yeah, the other three. Your old colleagues still standing up and saying, no, this was bang out of order. Basically, yeah. And then you've got a prosecutor who helped emphasise, and I'd say in the words, exaggerate and manipulate, words they say, i felt like a murderer you know that's how they did it and so the end of day one the headlines were pretty much anti-law and because the allegations come out but you could read the comments and the comments were hang on a minute let's just clear away the waffle this officer arrested a violent individual who's masked and took a knife off the street and there wasn't a complaint i don't care what happened that's what we want so the papers then suddenly realized oh public's sort of with him so then i got to put my side of what six hours being questioned on the and six hours like for this yeah is that a good spending of police money for all the people you know if you audited what they spent on this I'd hate to think have you seen those three coppers no I don't have any animosity I know you don't but have you seen them face to face knowing that they're going against you no I try not to well I haven't been in have I if three of them come in now how would you be I'd be perfectly I'd be perfectly reasonable because I can justify what I did yeah because I did everything with the best intentions how do you think they feel I don't know I mean I'd like to think that they think actually you know it wasn't lucky there was a knife why you know why did he anticipate there was this danger yeah but I want to understand why your three mates colleagues have gone against you this whole time is there a is there something in it for them I don't know I don't know that's the bit I can't quite understand because if I'm in a squad a rugby squad I'm looking after him I'm looking after him I'm looking after him if I've got a team of 17 star for 16 star, I'm looking after all of them.

1:15:56I've got your back. Whatever comes out, I've got your back. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Because it wasn't intentional. You could see it was just, you know, I don't know. I don't know. So that day when you left the court and they said, and what were the words they said to you when you left the court? Oh, the last day. Yes, the last day. So we deliver it and they take you literally there and then give you badge, strip your uniform. It's brutal. I was stripped of everything I stood for. and then driving out the door in my own clothes with Denise, with JT and that, and be like, shit. And I felt destroyed.

1:16:30Yeah, I bet. Destroyed, knowing that it's getting national media, but the press had started changing to my side. It started being hero cop because of what I'd done. Amazing. That's what we saw. So when that happened then, how did your world change? Because you've gone in there going, I've got the fear. I've got anxiety. My reputation's on the line. All my mates are going to see all this terrible press everywhere. where all of a sudden it changed into positivity. Tell me what's happened in this last seven days in your world. It's been unreal. So I've gone from being me to being every TV company has been contacting me direct because my contact number's out there on my training website.

1:17:05And we've dealt with a lot of press and media before anyway through the sports. So it's available. Every TV from BBC, ITV, GB News, every major newspaper. you know we had a double page spread in the times and things like that in the daily mail on a sunday page 14 15 which they said is a a special page so there's been interest the telegraph the telegraph said for two days the story on on me and what's happened me was the most clicked on engaged and commented on in the world now that was when donald trump and elon musk were having a bit of a dispute as well in the world because one the other countries are looking in on it and you can see that the WBC of World Boxing has even put in something saying no reinstate him.

1:17:51Other countries looking in going England what are you doing? This is a police officer that's tackled a violent criminal taking a knife off the street and you've sacked him for lack of courtesy and respect and things it's like there's no injuries so they're looking at the actual common sense and bare bones of it and the communities have been right behind me and it's changed. How have you felt? How have you felt, Lorne? Like, I know you well enough, right? And I know it's all about respect via your sport and the respect that people give you. How have you felt in that period when it was brutal? And then you're going to go, this is about to go live and I'm going to look like the real bad man here for many years to come.

1:18:33I'm not going to show my face. How's it felt for you knowing that everyone's on your side? It's really nice, you know, and that has kept me going through because suddenly and this is where i think that you can see that the people may be decision makers in police because one of the decisions they said is they've put on lines it's not me keeping anything here so you can go on dorsal police misconduct hearing look up the result from my misconduct hearing and one of the points they said is that the reason that that they they dismissed me was they believed that if the public were to see this and hear this and know the facts that they would be distraught and let down with police so when they saw the turmoil was was was in my favor they thought you know what we'll release a body one which itself is horrendous they only released part of it yeah one little bit you know they didn't read all of it they even even shows better and more risks that i took you know as in when the knife came out when i changed when he was cuffed up it didn't show four officers struggling with him which shows you know how how do you feel today i feel really good because now with all the messages from other police all around the country all the public this is what the public want and it shows that the decision makers in the police by saying no we've sacked him because it's not what the public show how out of touch they are with the the public now the public want the streets to feel safe they want knives off their streets they want their children to be interacting with with not feeling they've got to get involved with with knife carrying gangs and such like that you know even the people that are carrying the knives bless them they've made the wrong choices we need to get them out there out of there into gyms yeah into into boxing tie boxing rugby football they need to be there and realize actually life can hold more for you what are you going to get just by being a drug runner you might be thinking oh i'm getting so so the the anger between the general public and the police is at the highest i've seen as an adult yes all my adulthood is the highest i've ever seen it how can we blend this in together and it feels the same way as well you know i'm not calling anyone out here just that the feeling and i'm in touch with a lot of people around in this part of the country in different parts of the country how's the feeling that there's a lot of anger towards the council there's a lot of anger towards the police there's one way we can bring this together and have conversations like this on a podcast whoever the head of the council is please come on the podcast whoever you are if anyone knows who it is please leave comments below let's get them on the podcast and have an open chat whoever's head of the police please come in and let's have a chat no one's here to get you yeah but what this could do this could help everyone come together and go we're working together on this because at the moment there is this horrible friction which isn't good for anyone Yeah, and it is, you know, people want a safe place to live.

1:21:16End of. People buy into people. Yes. And if there's someone ahead of the police force and I buy into that person, I'm fully behind you. I'm going to get behind you. If you're the head of the council and you're making all these weird decisions and you're annoying everyone, come on, let's have a conversation. So they can understand the decision making behind it. And not just see the decision, but understand the long-term, medium and short-term goals and things like that. So you have to see the strategies. And we're all working together. Everyone wants a safer place. Let's work together. And that's why I've come on.

1:21:40that's why i've done it for one because i think it was pretty i think it was wrong dorset police releasing the body warm video just an edited small part of it you know and not the statement saying there's people behind me and not what he'd done before and and so they painted it in a certain picture and i think that's wrong even in an investigation we would never just just use one source of evidence so i had to do this because i've i mean i've been trolled as well i've had the negative side sent for me from people that don't like police you know you fucking pig you child. He's 15. Yeah. I didn't know he's 15.

1:22:10Yeah. But does that make him less dangerous? 15's carrying a blade. It doesn't matter what age. Does that, you know, it doesn't make, we've had 15 year olds committed for murder, but it doesn't make it less dangerous. But some people just like to hate. So I've had that. I wouldn't have had that if they hadn't released that. Have you noticed, is there lots of Freemasons in Dorset police? See, people have asked me that. I've never noticed. I've never. You never notice when they give you a hand shake and go the old. No. Do you know what? I usually give people a fist bump, you know, and I head them off and I'm like, yo, even the chiefs are there because that's me, you know, and I keep myself to myself on that sort of front.

1:22:45So I don't know. When's the last time you got paid by the police? What month? We're in June 2025 today. So we were in May, the last day of the hearing. I think 28th was my last pay slip. So I'm unemployed now. So you've gone from 48 grand to zero right now. To be unemployed. Bloody hell. For the first time in ages. So if the old bill stood up to this and went, you know what? Hands up. We're wrong. I think they'll get a lot of support from Bournemouth and the surrounding areas to go, fair play. They put their hands up. It was wrong. Fair play. If they don't put their hands up and say, no, we were still right.

1:23:20We're still right. You've lost your 48 grand and people are still going to be angry towards the police. So what's the solution? Would you go back as a cop? If they said, Lorne, 48 grand, you start next week, respect, we made a mistake, would you go back? That's a tough question because, one, I joined the police because I like to be out there helping the community. And I genuinely, and that's why I've got so much support. You know, so many people have said, you've made a difference. So I like that. It gave me a chance to do it. But they'd always been out of doubt. They've painted me that. I'd be an easy target for allegations.

1:23:56I'd be an easy target for if they wanted to say, you know, people love me, look, actually we'll get him for something else. We'll release it. He wasn't that good. Do you see what I mean? I don't feel supported. It's basically like don't go back with the ex. Yeah. Do you see what I mean? And I just don't know whether I could go back and be me. And what it'd probably lead to, which a lot of officers said to me is, you know, we're going to hesitate. I'd hesitate. And you know, in that moment of hesitation in sports, for example, in anything, do a pass, bam, you've been tackled. Yeah, great. And when you're dealing with people who are potentially dangerous, you cannot hesitate.

1:24:25I know my decision making process and my reactions are done in good faith so therefore I don't need to worry about it which is why I've been here everything was done in good faith but now I'm going to pause please don't all go a little bit softer if I'd have gone any softer he would have got away he'd have broken his arm free and he would have got potentially got his knife so I don't feel I could police how I need to police if I went back which is a shame it is a shame and I think that you know we need more support if there'd have been an injury, you know, accidentally. What support? It goes back to people not wanting to lose their jobs.

1:25:01Yeah. Yeah, if you're a copper on the street, you're not wanting to lose your job, but you don't agree with what the government is saying or what your boss is telling you to do. But what else am I going to do? If I'm not a copper, what else am I going to do? Where can I go and get a job? It's paying the bills. I'd love to know the percentage of coppers, if they were really, really honest, say, do you know what? Policing's changed massively. And if it wasn't for this salary, I'd walk tomorrow. Well, I think the Fed have just released a stat. I think it was 79 % of Dorset police said they would not recommend the job to anyone else.

1:25:28Yeah. That's a hell of a lot. That's a massive, massive... And I've said, can we see where that came from? Because if the only 21 % are the ones sitting at the top... Who don't really know what's going on ground. Then that's a big eye-opener. But even 79 % wouldn't recommend the job. You've got to think, there's something not right there. Yeah. Because, you know, I want to... If I'm running my club, my sports club, I want 100 % of these people to be recommending their mates that's awesome that's awesome go if I found out 79 % said oh lord you've got a crap business I wouldn't recommend anyone else coming to your club bloody shit then I'm not doing the job am I so that's where I do a correlation between everything you know and it's it's worrying that they don't and you think well if they're not can they really give 100 % to it so I would be holding back a little bit which is dangerous you know and that gets me into the danger and I've had so many officers come to me because I don't feel supported now I mean look I can say there was no you know no bad intention right now there was no injuries we did that the result was good I'm willing to hold my hands which I already had even from day one I said look I wrote it I'm not proud of the language and I'm not mine rules who cares about the language jeez but mate hold on a minute let's get real I don't know if this world's gone completely woke or whatever's going on Christ's sake but I knew you've got a blade I don't care what language I'm using I'm getting the blade off you I'm getting protected I'm taking you off the street end of I want all support from all my all my police friends to go well done high fives thank you Lorne and it's in the front of the newspaper so this is interesting you can do a bit of research on this in a minute so get back these officers have done their done their report the three officers yeah are they still officers today two are ones left who's the one who's left not surprised Obviously left, he didn't seem to have much get up and go about him when he came into the hearing, to be honest, to give his evidence.

1:27:24And funny, he gave evidence, which is why I got excessive force for, was at the end of it, the guy I've been kicking out, I suggested, I said, put on leg restraints, put on leg restraints. So his other officer put on leg restraints. Yet I had to suck the excessive force. I got dismissed as one of the excessive force for suggesting, not for using it. Suggested it. So that means that you've got this officer out there getting a full salary, fully warranted, who goes, hey, I'm not responsible for my own decisions. And I mean, what if I'd have said stamp on his head? Would he have done it and gone, oh, only did it because he did it?

1:27:58Yeah. And what defence? Is he that officer who went to strain his legs, the one who's left? Yeah, so he put the leg restraints on. And he's the one who went against you, but he's actually left the police force now. Yes. My God. Are you actually serious? Is this serious? You couldn't write this in a bingo, mate. So if I said to you, punch him, you would naturally expect to be in trouble if you punched him for no reason. Yet you wouldn't say, oh, I only did it because you laundered it and expect to walk free. Well, that's what happens. Carte Blanche excuse for any... I only stole it because he told me to.

1:28:28Do you think there was pressure put on these three people to out you? Potentially. From above. Do you know what? Let's get Lorne out. I'm your boss. I want you three to back this. superintendent ricky dander sexual misconduct the telegraph right so who's ricky dander oh we'll go into who is he that's a good question yeah who's ricky dander so this gets um to psd they did their interview psd is professional standards department you know and and they they say they come back to me say ah um really sorry long we recommend it down a great further but ricky dander who's the head of professional standards has overturned it and said it's going to grace misconduct great then he goes to training training right a report the report when i got it was redacted redacted because their opinions obviously didn't support that i should have gone in if it if it was support and it wouldn't have been redacted would it because it would have been evidence that he used so ricky dander's overturned that so he's his chief inspector super superintendent ricky dander um so he's ricky dander's uh so he's the one that pursued it is he based down here Yes.

1:29:36So he's a superintendent of professional standards overseeing how police behave. He is. And he pursued this. Now, I was a very good up until then. I'd only had commendations. Yeah. Really good behavior. Everything like that. And to get. Oh, that's him. Do you want to read that? Police stand as chief on restricted duties after sexual misconduct allegations. Case follows the resignation of the previous chief who's convicted of drink driving. So these people are heading up. That's Ricky Dander. And that was in May 2025. And what's he got done for? Well, sexual misconduct. Sexual misconduct? Yeah, so he...

1:30:11What's that? Well, I don't know. I mean, it can be one of many things, but it doesn't sound good. Doesn't sound good at all. So he's obviously been over... Now, with the police, sometimes they have to show what's called evidence of how they've corrected a problem to get an extra job. Not saying he did this, but sometimes they do have to do that. So I look at it and think, well did he try and scalp the good officer and say that's my evidence look at look at this look at this but all the while it turns out he's been sexually misconducting somehow you know i mean that that's not a good sign for someone who's supposed to be head of professional standards of how police behave for us to look up and go well everyone else had to call him sir and this and that and everything is like he's the one that put restriction on me no face-to-face contact he's been having way too much face-to-face contact from the look of things you know so he's got done for sexual misconduct but he's the one who's putting the squeeze on you for doing your job that's exactly it how can this that's exactly it you know well I mean I'm not I'm not making any that's fact mate listen listen I'm just looking in like how does that how does that work he's the one that pursued it the whole way I've just gone out and done my job why did he have the ump with you did you have something on him no no I mean I don't know but I look at it you know sexual misconduct I don't know maybe is he still a policeman today well he's on restricted duties until his gross misconduct trial comes through so if he's the person who's meant to be saying yes no yes no but he's the one who has done had sexual misconduct misconduct who's the person judging him I don't know this is where it just gets clouded you can't write this and these are the ones that are pursuing officers like me who are going out risking our life And these are the people who everyone needs to respect.

1:32:04Yeah. But this is going on in the police force. If I'd have rolled the other way, that knife could have gone in me. 100%. Denise would have got a knock at the door, done, dusted. Right. Now, he's the one that's judging my behaviour, overturning all decisions, putting, like you say, putting the squeeze on me, taking it all the way to the top. All the time, suddenly it comes out. He is now, and I don't know, I'm interested to see what that, because they released all of mine in the press. I want to see, I want to see fairs fair. Let's see what you've been up to, fella, behind closed doors. because that doesn't sound good.

1:32:30No, it doesn't. You know, and for someone, if that mindset, you know, people who get accused of sexual misconduct, generally it's because they're abusing their position with maybe junior officers trying to show off, you know, trying to do that. I don't know what he is, okay, and I don't know what he's done, so I'm not making any allegations, but generally it's obviously to do with a sexual nature of some sort. So therefore, you know, is it that he's trying to scout me to show off? I don't know. But it backfired. Well, he's been called out, But the public have stood up and the public have spoken.

1:33:00And, you know, I think that the Dorset police now, or all the police have got to say, actually, if we are generally putting our uniforms on at the start of each day, we need to make sure we are doing it for what the public wants. Not what we think or what we tell them they want. You know, not like Lord Farquhar sitting in his little, you know, tower in Shrek's thing, pointing down at the minions going, this is how we're going to rule the world. Do you think, just throwing it out there, do you think the people at the top are on such big salaries that they don't want to lose their big salaries? They're just trying to hit figures and stats and numbers that go with how the government want it to be?

1:33:40i i don't know but i i would say that this has indicated and shown that they are clearly out of touch with what the actual public want and need from society and i think that's an alarming thing and i think that the reason it's got popular is because you know i'm a clean-cut officer as well i've saved i've put my life at risk i go to work and i do whatever they're like we want that you know it's a topic everyone is is really in arms about so now it's sort of like I've become almost a figurehead for a lot of concerns, whether it be right or wrong. And there's a lot of police officers that are like treading that thin blue line.

1:34:16Oh, crikey. Am I going to get stabbed or am I going to get a complaint? You know, you don't know. Flippin' heck, I've got neither. I've got to go back, write it up now and then deal with the rest of my job. So do you not think coppers will go, do you know what? I don't want to go to the incident because if I do the wrong thing, I could get sacked. I could get stabbed. I could get sacked. I've seen what Lorne done. If I do what Lorne done, I'm going to lose my job and I haven't got my, mortgage to pay my family's pay this is horrible circle of people not knowing what they can do and what they can't do and it seems like they don't it seems like the people on the ground don't have the full support of the people above them well did i have a support no but my point is in business yeah as a boss and a leader you you protect your team you stand by your team whatever whether i'm on a rugby pitch whether i'm running a business yes i stand by my team i've got your back and you want them to grow.

1:35:01And even if one of them makes a bit of an error of judgment, then you help them get back on track. That's right. You chat it through. You invest in them. All done. Let's go. Let's go again. But even if you looked at it and thought, I mean, mine wasn't done out of malice at all. Maybe it was an error in judgment of wording under extreme situation. No, no, no. I don't. Lorne, I've seen it, mate. I've seen it. I've heard it. I've seen it. I don't think we have to go back over that. I think what you're saying. But what they're saying is, cast them away. Yeah. But not only cast them away, embarrass him humiliate him as well destroy him I've got a family to look after but it's backfired just look at the support what's happened everyone is now so they're either now going to say we're going to ignore what the public want which I think is a really sad position as a general member of the public but if they don't speak up the public that's just as that's just as bad the public need to continue what they're doing yes you know they need to because society we all have a vested interest we just want it safer and nicer are there any coppers ex-policemen who have been high up who are now retired I'd love to get them on the podcast Chris Amy Chris Amy 100 % I'll give you his details please do he will does he say how it is he's straight oh he goes boom that's what's happened Chris Amy will come on okay he is very I mean he has supported me I mean this guy left probably two years ago yeah I haven't spoken to him for two or three years three or four years or something because we different areas in the police before he left he had no did he leave on his own accord he'll discuss all that okay let's leave Chris Amy If you're Chris Ames out there, get him on.

1:36:31If there's anyone else out there who is currently serving as a police officer, I'd love to get you on to find out what your feelings are. Because I reckon we can bring this together. I think we can bring the community together via the power of podcasting. Because there's no hiding. This isn't a 60 second clip that someone's edited. This is an hour and a half conversation where there's no hiding going, these are the facts, these are the figures, this is what's going on. How can we reignite our town again? How can we get Bournemouth back on its feet again? how can we get the council chatting to the police and the police chatting on podcasts like this to bring it out to everyone to let people know this is what's going on guys we're all in this together yeah I mean put it this way police have been caught by a lot if you were me now and you know right there's a guy making off from a crime he's making off he's not going to come he's not going to stop are you going to chase him to your best of your efforts know that potentially there's going to be a physical confrontation at the end and know you might want to get him in cuffs, you might get injured because a hay bane might be stronger than you.

1:37:31It might just not be your day. You might slip or something like that. And also knowing that, Jesus, what if he puts in a complaint against me? Or are you going to think, do you know what? He's gone. I'll just deal with the evidence here and try and catch him down the line. How many people think that? Go, do you know what? That's just right. I don't need the headache. I don't want to go to anything. I'm just getting paid back. And then how a criminal is going to feel. They're going to think, if I run and put up a struggle, I go into what's called too hard box. yeah did we find out what that 15 year old got yeah he got an out of court disposal he got an out of court disposal that's a slap on the wrist don't do it again you were caught with a weapon that big bang it's sad I don't know two years I don't care who you are I don't care where you're from you get caught they set the standards high I mean I'd go five year bam five year how many kids will just go oh that steak knife I'm not taking out that knife from my mum's drawer it'd be gone you know you can spend all this money like the PCC spent a load of money on knife arches yeah but if you're carrying you're not going to voluntarily walk through one absolutely do you see what I mean it's like you can do your I saw on on the Bournemouth Police which is no detriment a picture on Nightjar an officer standing all smiley outside of the entrance to BIC on Nightjar tonight so well I don't remember ever being called to be outside of the entrance to BIC I'd rather have a photo of you up in the gardens not in the middle of the gardens but in the little bits up by the aviary where the trees are we're all as a member of public you feel unsafe yes that's where I want to see you Westover Road Westover Road used to be like the Bond Street the Bond Street of bloody London now it's skank it's awful it's sad my wife went there in the winter she went into a shop she'd come out at 3.30 went in there it was like days she went back to a car it was dark she had the fear it's sad isn't it I had the fear getting into my car running into my car through a thing because there was just menacing people around it's sad Lorne We could go on for hours, mate.

1:39:26Yes. Like hours. This has been really, I really thank you for your honesty. No, thank you, Dodge. It's been fascinating, mate. It's fascinating to hear if someone go, this is what's happened. Lorne. Dodge. You're a gentleman. Boom. Nice. Good man. Nice one for coming on, mate. Cheers, buddy. Really appreciate it. Thank you. And you're a superstar. Anyone down there, please leave some comments about Lorne. Where can people find you, Lorne, if they want to reach out? Well, we're literally about to buy our new gym. so through everything we're we're now going to buy a new gym in Bournemouth where in the area of Moordown yep it's with solicitors right now lovely and it's going to be what's it going to be called it's going to be called Moordown Hall yep it's a community centre it's been quiet for a while so you know the GoFundMe has been phenomenal phenomenal absolutely because this has changed my life massive respect to everyone for GoFundMe on this thank you on that because even five years time my CV is still going to be trumped by people looking at my name you know I'm aware of that But it won't.

1:40:20It won't because the powers of this is going to squash all that. The powers of the press and the media. Yes, thank you. So what we've done is we have taken some money out of our house and such. And we're looking at buying a new gym that's going to be a community centre for the community. Brilliant. Putting on things like, obviously, the martial arts that I do. Putting on junior roller discos. We're going to have a wellness centre as well. So we have sort of, which is really important. Sort of keep everything in balance. And a little health cafe. So you can find us there. It'll be more down the hall.

1:40:48Look up Champions Training Academy. Where can people find you? Champions Training Academy has got my contact details. Wonderful. Go and check him out. Please leave some comments down below what you thought of this episode and how we can bring the community back together again. Thank you. I think you're an absolute superstar, mate. A proper hero locally, but actually it's gone worldwide very quickly in seven days. Yes. Yeah. It stands for what people want. Yeah, mate. Thanks, buddy. Respect. Good man. Cheers. Quick one, guys. I'll be recording Eventful Lives live on stage this year at EMC 2025, the Entrepreneurs Marketing Conference, and it's going to be a banger.

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