#306. Former Newcastle Gangster - Stu Watson

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1:55Whether you're traveling, exercising, or podcasting, the best business news ever, Liquid IV makes it easy to stay hydrated wherever life takes you. So shop now at liquidiv.com. Liquid IV hydration that goes wherever life takes you. The 90s was really intimidating for people. You had to go on with it or get rid of it. If you were to explain to the listener what the 90s was like in Newcastle, how would you explain that? Everybody's tooled up, everybody's carrying. I was carrying a gun at the finish because I had threats on my life as many times. You should sleep with a submachine gun. People were pulling guns on us and letting them go above my head and that.

2:30There's a guy there now called Alan Swindon. The inverse tool he is. Jimmy's got his hand on the counter. Tell him to show me f***ing the spec that I'm in here. Alan pulls a machete huge. He chopped his fingers off. Innocent young kid. I think he's 19 years old or something. He's f***ing shivved him three times. Killed him. Still dead. He most wanted a man in the country. He was on his tours. He was on the Crime Stoppers, Crime Watch. He was all over the place. He's got 25 years left. He's still there now. Do you know who killed Viv Graham? People want to tell the truth. I'll say it how it is.

3:02Welcome to the Eventful Lives podcast. I'm your host, Dodge, and I'm the founder of Bournemouth Sevens, the world's largest sport and music festival. On this podcast, I speak to proper characters of all lived eventful lives. Do us a favour and hit that follow button and be sure to check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and TikTok at Dodge Woodham, where we've now had over 100 million views. Stu, welcome to the show, mate. Yeah, thanks, Dodge. Thanks for inviting us down. Yeah, thank you for making the effort all the way down from Newcastle. Yeah, it's a good drive. I always enjoyed it. Yeah, much appreciated.

3:32Let's roll all the way back. What was it like being on the doors in the 80s, 90s and noughties in Newcastle? It was really, really heavy, heavy gun. It was really, you're fighting every weekend. And you had guns pulled on you, knives pulled on you. It was, the 90s was really, really intimidating for people. Yeah. Yeah, you had to come with it or get out of it. Yeah. And how did you get into doing door work? What age were you when you started on the doors? About 24, 25, I started filling in for people. Yeah. Just filling in different nights and people seeing that. I just couldn't give a fuck about anybody, you know.

4:09And I just, people used to say to me, you know, you're Stuart, and I thought you were six foot fucking four or something. I'd say, am I not like? I thought I was. So leading up to coming to the doors, were you like, you must have been having tear-ups everywhere for you to then go, you know what, get on the doors then and actually get paid to do that. Every weekend I was out, you know, people used to just stare at us and look at us in the wrong way, and I was a fiery fucker. Yeah. You know, but a lot of people were looking for it. Yeah. And I got it. Yeah. I didn't, I obliged him. Yeah. You know, sort of thing.

4:44What sort of attitude, what sort of attitude were you on the doors? You were polite doorman? Yeah, I was okay. I was okay. And you, Judge, when you come across people, you know when you've got to go on and when you haven't. You just look in the eyes and say, this is on. Yeah. And I know that people, you've just got to raise your voice and say, on your way, sort of thing. Yeah. But you, as you get used to the job and you're bred for it, Yeah. sort of thing, you can look at a man and you know he's this footer's tasty he's got to be naughty so you had to perform you know and when up in Newcastle was it a place where people would all come up from the Midlands or from London for a weekend or was it very much back in the 90s it was very much the Geordies very much the Geordie thing you know you used to get bachelor parties coming in etc had a few types where bachelor parties from maybe up you know up north farther from up north coming down yeah yeah it was it was very hands on.

5:40Yeah, and I've heard. I've heard. A good friend of mine, Judd Adamson's up there. Yeah, he's a good lad. He's a quality lad. Yeah, he's a good hard worker. He's a proper grafter. He actually invited me up a couple of months back. Me and my man went to Newcastle, West Ham. We flew up there, stayed at his hotel. He's got bars and clubs all around Newcastle, isn't he? Yeah, he's still got his taterpicking money, I think. He's not minded saying that. So if you were to explain to the listener what the 90s was like in Newcastle, how would you explain that? It was very, very, like, everybody was tooled up everybody's carrying yeah um i did the finish i was carrying yeah not a knaves uh i was carrying a gun and at the finish because i had threats on my life as many times i had people pulling guns on us and letting them go above my head and that uh incidents with there's a guy there now called alan swindon he's still in there now in where in the jill uh got I think he got a 25 wreck but he's still there now and that was about 25 years ago just don't think he has two other lanes in jail dangerous lad very dangerous I've been on hold here been away all the big lads all the villains and the kids who could have a bit of a look I used to sit at the door staff that's not your job if any of them come to the door that's my job you just look after the the jury public and if these lads come here that's my job so I was away on holiday this weekend and he come down to the club on a Sunday night we just started on a Sunday night actually he was at Rockshots and he brought a team in with him and just bullied his way in you know and the lads on the door knew he was a he wasn't a big lad but he was a dangerous kid, he was gear he was probably game was he was he?

7:28He's dangerous, kid. So he's kicked off in the club, spitting and hoeing drinks at the staff, you know, getting to the large one in front of his mates. So when I come back off holiday, on a Thursday night, I got told he'd went round Madison's, he'd went on a bender, went on a really heavy session. And he went to the Madison's and the doorman stopped him getting in. And that's just doorman stopped, the doorman stopped him getting in, in this nightclub, Madison's. he says go and get your boss go and get the boss he says Jimmy Dimmitt he's the manager in there go and get him now so Jimmy come down to the door and as Jimmy come down to the door this is on a Thursday night he says tell your fucking doorman to show me respect when I come here and Jimmy Gans let him in let him in because he is the dangerous tool he is Gans the barn Jimmy gets him a drink and Jimmy's got his hand on the counter Alan pulls a machete out and chop three of his fingers off says tell him to show me fucking respect I mean, yeah.

8:30He chopped his fingers off? Aye, three. What, the manager? Aye. You're joking, man. Aye, did I? That was on a Thursday night. On a Friday night, he come around to my club. And when he come around to my club, the doorman come in and says, Stuart Allen's at the door. So I says, keep him there till I get there. So I went to the front door. I said, aye, what do you want? He says, aye, I want to come in. There's five of them. I said, you're not getting in. I said, you showed me no respect when I was away. I'm showing you none now. and do one so him and his pal pulled two handguns and the doorman off insane I stood on the stairs still and he pointed them I says Devin play with the fucking things and he then he shot two shots above my head I says listen Devin mess around with them I says I'll tear them up I'll put up your horse and I'll blow your heat off and they're backing off doing the street I knew him really well though yeah backing off doing the street and when they get an old grenade and it wouldn't start let the Porsche that says go on fucking anthill mob yeah and and he's off he left down it's on a Friday night he went run to a walk us on a Saturday night guns in there he hadn't been he hadn't been a bird he had been you know he's proper honor one went under into walk us and it was it incident where he wanted a drink after a time and it says the stuff the boss that wouldn't serve him so when wouldn't serve him he went running back of the ball and hide the phone around the bar of my head's neck and start choking her and the doorman stopped him and says yeah give me a pint give me a pint so I go and my drink and as he's walking out the club there was a fight outside I had fuck what had to do with him nothing sorry for the ham but he had nothing to do with him and as he there's a fight there and he swag pat this young lad innocent young kid I think he was 19 year old or something he's fucking shivved him three times with a blade he carried it was like like a 10, 12-inch blade.

10:27Killed him, stone dead. Oh, God. Yeah. He was the most wanted man in the country. He was on his tours. He was on Crime Stoppers, Crime Watch. He was all over the place. And the paper was the news. And I got a phone call, and I knew who it was. He says, Stu, I says, do and see who you are, because then I was high profile. I said, do and see your name. I know who it is. He says, me and you are, I says, listen, lad. you've got a lot more to deal with than me that's just good luck yeah and he got caught a few weeks like that and he he got he got 25 he's still in there now so he's done 25 he's done more than that now has he no it was just his 90s 93 92s so he's done 32 years something like that yeah I don't think he'd be getting out he's just not two other lane yeah he'd be dangerous fucking kid dangerous yeah what other dangerous people were up there at the time I know I know people who know you and you were at the time a very dangerous man up there.

11:28What other dangerous people? Did you have any like clashes of anyone? Did you have a big clash with Viv Graham? Yeah, we had a few run-ins me and Viv because I wouldn't bow down. He's a tough kid, man. Don't get me wrong. He's a proper, handy kid. Very tough guy. He was a big lump, right? Yeah, he was, he was, he was about six foot. He wasn't massive but he was fucking really powerful. Yeah. He was juiced up by the time, right?

11:54the first running I had with him was in Bobby that place in Gates that used to be Bobby Daslach an old nightclub there and I'd had a bit of a do with one of his friends you know and they were trying to set this fight up for a long time he'd come out of us I was just I was working in a bakery at the time I was just up there you know like 20 odd year old and he'd just come out he'd say shorts and I he says fifth game I said hello you go and say what about me and you getting it on I said what about me and you getting it on I said I'm drunk I'm drunk I was a drinker then and he says so he says I says well you know someday we'll get it we'll do this you know I says I'm not you know I bother about you I'll fucking fight you so he went and stood with Billy Robinson Paddy Leonard and Rob Bell and them and I stand there and they're talking and I'm with a kid who's just it works in a bakery with me and I says fuck this and i walked to them and i says i hope you want to come here and see now i've cocked i says because i haven't fucking cocked he says uh no i said i haven't what do you mean cocked bottled it yeah okay i says i haven't fucking cocked me yeah i says we'll get it on when it's fucking times good i said but you i says you're sitting you've got a glass of orange in your fucking hand so and he said then he come he come back oh he says i think more he says we're having it all sort of day come and say that you know in front there because these these lads i've just mentioned then were the then were the boys then yeah you know like that old and me they were running the doors yeah then were they running the gates in your castle at the time yeah yeah they were they were proper names so um just left it at that then about i think it was about two or three yeah later on he i was in julie's nightclub were you grafting on the doors no i was still partying still partying okay okay yeah yeah i still you know i'm still pointing i took it had be first day yeah and he just come in it and I didn't know he was there actually and he's put his arm on me shoulder and he says yeah he guns still what's in I got and I turn on like that and he fucking gives a fucking up I could no it's gonna score here I'm a chin there see it yeah yeah yeah and it and I was dazed yeah but that's and he put he he was he was a one fucking hit he was the one here and I used to knock the fuck I said it's one and when he didn't knock us out whoa this isn't this is not on a script he says oh Gannis said because it got like separated then and you know I'm cut then and I Gannis said he says up the battle and I says I'm off my fucking tree here I says you know I said I'll tell you what I'll meet you tomorrow and him and his pal Rob Armstrong was supposed to come and meet us up at up Wickham with Stephen Vaughan at at the bridle path on the Sunday and he didn't turn up and then I was a bee in his bonnet then yeah yeah I was a bee in his fucking bonnet and everybody's talking so the next the next running after that was when it was an A club he come in there team hand he come in team handed I got set up I got who did I not conspiracy to murder you got you got done for conspiracy for murder no the police should have got I don't want to conspiracy murder for me because they set the club up I got asked to do the door okay what club was this?

15:21Hobos Naked Hobos yeah okay and I got asked to do the door I said I'll do it you've got to keep these out I said I'll do it because I was looking for work then because I had left the bakery then yeah yeah and I was unawares to me they had put extra cameras on and everything I was like a lump of meat yeah so this the lads on the door was working with me they said the gans Stu Vivian they're the CZ and Fish and Tams they're in alright so our gans I says who's let them in and all I heard was I heard my name mentioned and spun his run from my coat from my suit jacket bang bang bang and the kids I was with gnashed left on the door the left is fucking from my own and the six of them run me and the few of them got blades and I thought oh you're going to get the fucker yes to that so I just said I just can't cover it up and just take it so I just cover it up and take it and he's fucking banging banging banging and he couldn't put us away and I was taking everything he can fucking hide and the enemy says get him outside we'll fucking get him outside we'll kill him we'll do him not kill him we'll do him that's the word they used we'll do him I got a hold of the spiral staircase now I got a hold of that and so a few of them them start holding the punches in and viv sort of said to me gandu and gandu and i'm gonna stick you they're gonna stick you can't do because he wasn't a villain yeah he wasn't a villain who viv wasn't no he was a fighter but he was okay but he wasn't a villain okay them used to use him is there a fucking is there a fighter yeah okay yeah so i says i'm not i said well i fuck gandu and so and he's that brain like fuck and and then viv when them start piling in he's had enough he's had enough alright and I just said against him is that it I just finished yeah and they fucking hated that but in a way to me right I got the busies were in there right there was 600 police officers in there when this went to court I didn't make a statement or anything didn't need to make a statement because it was all there on CCTV them started it and fucking blah blah blah because that's his because the track had a meeting with me and says we want you to do I said you didn't fucking tell me what to do I said you ask us and I says when we get somewhere you tell us you're getting fucking anywhere with me I said I couldn't give a fuck about this and that was to John Henry now when I was in that situation when this went to court I didn't go to court it was a neat note of me I would have been like a hostile witness and they said how much says his name says how much do you want I says I want fuck all of you I want nothing of you and I want fucking nothing of the fucking police I says I'm the I'm the full guy yeah I'm the I've been set up yeah and unawares to me so when this went to court there was six CID officers in there under cover and each one of them Christopher Knox was the defence barrister each one of them said on earth that when you were asked the question you said this man was with an inch of his life they said yes he was with an inch of his life when were you going to intervene and he said that's what they said on earth in no time we had to intervene we had to let it take us calls that's fucking conspiracy murder because they wanted this firm off the street they fucking set me up like a lump of fucking meat but why are they setting you up I wasn't even a villain then you know yeah them made me into that them turned me into that so when that happened did they what did they get did they get let off or did they get no they got jailed they got jailed they got two and a half and threes two and a half and threes how did that make you feel after did you become angry man I was fucking angry I was used like a lump of meat yeah that's conspiracy murder from the police yeah I hear you yeah so what was your them knew that they wanted me to be killed yeah so they could get these lives off yeah and it's conspiracy murder if any barristers it's in any archives they're in the court archives that there's no this they cannot lose the case because they've actually said on earth yeah six of them saying we had our orders what they let him fucking get done yeah they're there to help you and i mean who you are what you are tell me how your mindset was that day after that and what you turned into well them turned me into what I turned it well what I did turn into which was a villain yeah into a man who says where's the law in this country yeah you know I'm the one to me dead yeah so they could so they could get these life stuff yeah and it was that's that's wrong and any any in our circumstances if you have a terrorist or anything you're fucking hell yeah you're entitled to be protected only when and now you're going to get killed yeah yeah that's how bad it was yeah so what did you turn and you turn into a full-on criminal villain from that and you were protecting yourself every angle yeah how are you how we how do people see you in newcastle how do you think people explain stew watson in newcastle back in the day after this happened well i've always been i've always had a good heart and i've always stood me ground but i've never i've never ever shied away from anybody yeah yeah that was if anybody said something i was front of them and seen them yeah enough you know and I've have I was stood me ground this one when these lads went to jail I went to jail like see that when Viv come out doing a big market they had it get no party for me and me see so what's a Viv got banged up as well yeah yeah he got three because he was the one who's doing that you know they're fighting for them yeah okay and them got two and a half do you know who killed Viv Graham?

21:22No, no. There's loads of speculation, but I wouldn't, you know, it's, I don't know who's done it. People say this, this, this, this, and they can see what they want. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. Yeah. I don't want to know that, you know, if then you're involved in, you know, anybody says you hold this, I'll say I don't want to know. Yeah. I wouldn't want to know. Because when he, how did he die? He got shot. He got shot. I didn't think they went to kill him. Yeah. He had that much steroids in him, his blood was that thin and he just poured out, he just bled out. I think the one that went through his leg went through a main artery.

21:59Didn't deserve, nobody deserves that. No one deserves that, no. Yeah, if anybody's got a rickway, if it was standing in front of him. Yeah. And, you know, don't be a coward. Yeah. You know, I didn't do that from a distance. Mm. You know, but, you know, Viv was a bully. You know, people, you know, people want to tell the truth. I tell it, I say it how it is. I'm afraid of what people see. I'm not afraid of what people... I didn't... You know, I didn't... I knew what he was. Because I ended up working with him. Well, so after having tear-ups with him, you end up working with him on the door? Yeah, well, when he got out from...

22:31When he got out of jail, right? They were having a party for him, getting into Macy's. Yeah. So, Dodgy Ray. Dodgy... Yeah. Dodgy Ray. He was... Asked John Adams about Dodgy Ray. Dodgy Ray. Okay. He's dead now, but he was a very dodgy... Okay. He's worked to everything. oh yeah but dodgy right viv used to use him to get things bits and bobs yeah you know and he and he used to he used to use viv as his fucking as his his muscle muscle yeah okay if it went wrong okay because he used to con he's a fucking con man yeah well he was a con man yeah but he was a funny kid not you know as well you know so he was he was he was good every other company but listen as you say to people listen he's not car dodgy for the fucking note yeah this is that's why it's called Dodge yeah yeah yeah so just it's in his name yeah so anyway he says Viv's getting out he says I'm going to party for him doing at Mercy's and I says aye right he says what you going to do I said I'll fucking come do it aye so you fancy going down when he come out aye so I went do I went to the Mercy's and it was like it was like a fucking another western I bet when a tumbleweed yeah music stops and I wax in the door what was your thought process of going down to the Guzer well I'm just I'm not fucking I couldn't give a you know they didn't bother me I'm game I can't come out I don't care I'm in okay so I gans down there did you bring it down with you no just myself okay just with myself carrying no no no I wasn't carrying I went in I just and everybody's going like that and I just gans up with him I gans me and you I read or what?

24:15Me and you work here at all right. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and he says, you've got some fucking horse coming in here, haven't you? I says, I suppose I have. I says, but I'm asking you what I read. And then he peeped up for everything, he goes, fucking, he goes, which one of you is when the horse will that come in here? Yeah. Yeah? And he says, he says, well, I read and shook hands. And I stayed there for about a nine, nine and a half. I had a fucking paint and then I says, I'll see you, boot and I just left yeah and I ended up working with him after that and rock shots uh we were we got asked to do the door uh to keep the west and keep the west end it but Viv thought he could just stay away and I had to do the fuck on myself you know with the door staff because the owner he's dead now Adrian Gad he's a good man he says I want you just kept doing that says right fair does so i says to dodgy you better get in touch with uh viv i says because he wants his dude so and they there was new viv turned up six weeks seven weeks new viv um and i was getting death threats and pulling at the front door not pulling guns you're gonna get it blah blah blah and i says i am i fucking you know like it like that you know like like every other fucker else who's comes yeah they're gonna do yeah so i says the dodgy uh he says all viv center is doing for his wages i says wages what fucking wages i said tell me he's not getting them he says not gotta be happy about that i said tell me i'm not fucking happy i says i says i've got to stand here six days a week yeah i says and i says need one same wage i says i don't think see yeah i says you want i says i'm putting my life on the lane he's come doing he put his on the lane i says he's getting nothing so you come back with a message in 10 he says tell us to stay for me ass I didn't spend the money I employed up more door stuff yeah so I better team runners and that's how my team started grow yeah then you as a fair kid and I didn't want to if any trouble was at the door and it was it was above them them didn't have to sort that that was me to sort yeah and so was an answer is he hated us for that and I didn't like us at all for that and he went up to Madison's and he started doing the Dawn Madison's and he phoned us up one day at the club he was up with Seed and phoned us up and he says how fucking come and do it now he says how can I do you and that is that a girl I missed all that he said that people that's what I'm saying it's my accent I apologise I'm really concentrating and I apologise to the viewers about my accent don't apologise I'll stir it down a bit.

26:59Yeah, mate. He says, I'll come do it. He says, people are saying I didn't fucking do it with you. I said, well, you didn't do it, maybe. And he says, what, I'll come do it? I said, well, you know, you come do it. We're going to have to get it on because I'm not going to bow do it. And I said, I'll tell you what I'll do, Viv. I'll come to your house tomorrow. So he says, like, you know, I got up in the morning, went to his door and his missus was there, Anna. She says, Viv, Viv, she was at the door. she's tempted to come in so I went in I says listen Viv I says whoever you're listening to me they want this I says you know I'm not going to fucking back do yeah he says I see and this is in there I says but if you're going to listen to that bullshit out of time we're going to fucking I always get a log of heat alright I says it's fucking a weird years I says I haven't taken any notes of it I said if you're going to I says because you know I'm not going to I says I will not back do he says alright right right he says the wane is up I said that's where you've got just be fucking over man about it and fucking stop them and tell them because them want this on not you so someone was shit staring in the background for you and Viv to get it on basically yeah yeah did you ever get it on that not properly no never properly no that was how long after this this bit here when Viv got shot and was murdered maybe a year or so that is about again was there things bubbling in Newcastle like bubbling could you feel things were going to overspill with certain doormen certain faces It was just faces.

28:27It wasn't really dormant, you know. It was faces. There was a lot of faces in the tune. But like I say, he was a bully. He was a bully. Yeah. And if people are honest about it, they'll be honest about it. Yeah. If somebody come into a rave out like that and they look, you know, tasty, like in good nick. Yeah. He fucking hated that. Right, okay. Hated it. So what was he doing for a pound note then? Was it just door work? Yeah, door work. and he was dabbling a bit here then but no no he wasn't no no serious you know he was more of a protector um and he used to do he used to you know gun run the bars and he had quite a few bars yeah and what how would you explain your work was it door work were you sir we get involved in drugs yeah i was in doubt you know i'm not gonna i'm not you know i'm not ashamed of me past yeah i got involved with drugs that's quite um but i got set up again you know the police tried once they made me into them they made me into the beast i was okay yeah because you were fighting the old bill because they kept coming after you well well i went for my dormant's badge yeah yeah and i didn't you know and i couldn't all i had on me all all i had on my criminal record was a bit of scrap metal uh dodgy mrt as a young kid yeah and um in a fight yeah and that was me that was my flaming whole history of there have been you know like i'd say like a lot of other people would have had you know you know it's no serious yeah slap on the hand stuff and that was until this whore boys carry on and then just escalated from there that i thought you fucking have you been banged up before yeah yeah how many times uh three times three so what was the first time for uh drugs but got acquitted what drug what tell me that story there what were you serving up was it cocaine ease what was it somebody a guy called stuart watson yeah believe it or not he got caught where he was graphing for someone else yeah um he got caught uh and it got it got the case of They turned my house, so I turned here, then turned a couple of punters.

30:41But the word had come with that he had been, he had been getting stopped with some guests. So it was, they like, they bolted the door after the horse had bolted it. Say again, say again. They shut the door after the horse had bolted it. Yeah. So they bolted his door, bolted your door. Yeah, okay. So we all got turned, they were, yeah. And what did they find? They got nothing off, didn't find anything off me. Okay. Never did. what had happened was they had my brother and me and of me brother Paul and Davey Davey Maddox they had them two locked up with me and my wife Sharon she got locked up as well for because they used to use her's leverage to try to get me there to flip right okay so they want to use their leverage for you to buckle and go to buckle okay yeah yeah and I take it you never buckled well my wife didn't buckle yeah she's still with her today yeah well well well uh not in good terms at the minute yeah um so when she this is like she they told her she was getting five yeah and i was getting ten yeah for this first incident yeah for the drugs and what did they find then for you to get for them to get with ten it must have been something what was the case i got they got they got them off office this other guy and how much were we talking here uh i think i got we're talking keys 3000 E or something like that 3000 E's yeah okay something like that it was and I got they got my brother and a friend of mine I had a nan for a lot of years so while it at Gonzales we had a court they'd looked my wife up for two three days with us and when they come downstairs the CPS wanted a remand and what barris there was solicitors at the time there tom hasten says uh they have to remand and shant and i says listen we have got no form we're heading near form yeah you know so it'll entail it be like anybody else yeah yeah and they want to put you on remand yeah and your wife i see that that bit for me bringing your wife involved that that's the bit she had nothing to do with it that was the use that that's so it made me more more resentful more ag yeah yeah okay yeah so and I says listen I'm going to I'm going to hold my hands up to this if and the left was because we used the same solicitor I says how's Sean at the time and Tom says she's having it well she says you haven't got to stay just stay strong and she can yeah and you both got acquitted for that she did yeah she got she got out and I got remanded because I says I'm not going to they come back and said if you don't apply for bail we will not object to Sean's bail yeah so used as a tool how long you're reminded for about six weeks okay six weeks that's it because that's for you did you know they had nothing on you yeah i knew that yeah okay so when you got reminded the most annoying thing being in remand you don't know how long you're going to be there until you get the knock on the door yeah okay yeah so when you got off that when you got off that and let out and acquitted well there's a tale i'm gonna try to tell when i was in there yeah right so yeah about six weeks i've put six weeks off now it's about two months three months, I got introduced to this security screw in Durham.

33:54Yeah. So I was still had me I had everything I wanted. Motorola phone and everything in the cat of your neck. Yeah. And they'll take me bits and bobs in there, in touch with people. So when I get bail, this kid Bruni, ended up a lump of shite, well named Bruni. He's, so I'm getting bail and I've got the phone in. um this the screw i put it in the lockers in the in the gym and put it you know how to put it through the wires into the into the lates yeah and get the weight the wires from the works and then you're fully operating yeah and it was you couldn't plug these fucking massive things weren't they that would help you brick that would help you know one was so when i gets when i gets bill this is i said it's coming out because anybody it was in there six weeks and anybody knew i was there yeah okay so when I I says listen he says how am I leave it in leave it in I says I'll leave it in for you right fair enough so about two or three days I'm on bail and he used to be phoning me up every night so in a hole bang bang he says the mufties at the door the mufties at the door that's the screws yeah um the shim where's it where's it and he had hoied it under the bed the phone and it was on it was still it's still alive and I was listening to everything they were saying yeah and the one the officer's funds it so you have funded there's a number on it so it says ring it so i'm listening to it you know beep beep beep beep beep beep you know and i'll give it a few seconds i guess listen lad she's only fucking 13 years of age your phone up anymore i'm getting the police

35:35straight off the top of your head and it says you'll be not getting any for more phone calls So when you come out, how long, what were you like? What was your mindset? You come out. You're even getting more angrier now. What roughly age were you now? 20, 28, 29. 28, 29. So you're getting more of a reputation. Everyone knows you've been banged up. You've come back out. How long were you when you come back out before you got banged up again? I was next time I got locked up. It was for prostitution. Was it? running the prostitution ring. I didn't, it was, running the prostitution, it was looking after the girls.

36:16Okay. They just used to use my name. I never used to hardly see them. Yeah. I know, you know, I didn't have anything to do with them. But they'd use your name so no one would tell you. So they wouldn't get it. Yeah. Because the job they're in, it's a dangerous job. And they used to, people used to say, oh, stills looking after them, stills looking after them. And that's what, you know, that's what it was. Yeah. So when I got nicked, there was a, the lads who used to come round and look after them, their mile got nicked and I ended up getting like I think it was twos and threes and that. What did you get?

36:45I didn't, it couldn't come and nick me because I didn't have no to do with them. Okay. They were just using my name really. Okay. So it went on and on. So then, then I got stopped by on busies, the polar zoar, out the car. I mean, this kid called Cockney Stowe. Who's that? Cockney Stowe. Cockney Stowe. Yeah. I met him in Ibiza. There's plenty to talk about. What's his surname? yeah sure latimer latimer okay i met him in bither yeah um we met all the best people and i bither right well i used to party with brandon block yeah blocker lives up the road here does he yeah he lives up the road he's he's a good man yeah mate he's playing at my festival next month yeah just come here i will do yeah mention us just here from newcastle i will anyway did you throw parties did you say i used to do the raves i used to do the raves hold on let's hold that because i quite like that one carry on with this one then right so so you got how long How long did you get banged up for prostitution?

37:38Or you didn't? I got 11 months remand. 11 months remand? Remand, because when they come to niggers, right, they come to the court. And it says, this man is not known to the tax man or the VAT man, right? And VAT, he lives a high standard of life. And he's not known to the tax man. He doesn't pay any taxes at all. And I'm looking at me, he's listening. I go, what the fuck's here, anybody? So anyway, he's listening. This is not, you've got it wrong. this man's you know he pays taxes and he can prove that blah blah blah and he's pays taxes like you know like anybody else who's working so it got adjourned when it got adjourned there for two weeks they come back into court and had to see they got the wrong stuart watson this is the god's honest truth yeah they got put me stuart watson at the computer they got Stuart Watson same date of birth national insurance number one digit different and they hadn't paid tax on his life so we've got him so they clobbered you for it I think it was me but then it should have been hired out then but they didn't hire it they held on to it is that because you were a nuisance you were becoming a nuisance around Newcastle were they like we need to teach them a lesson was it kind of that thrown in was a bit you know i was it was a bit i couldn't give you know i couldn't get attitude i couldn't give a fuck about them okay yeah they had their job today but so did i yeah but they should do it fairly and do it right so the the this this at the finish i was six foot two with short black hair when the prostitute said i can't look in that i wish all right i said i wish and and i'm looking at this is where they're where they're looking here yeah it should be thrown in it yeah and it wasn't so you were reminded again for 11 months 11 months was that making you more and more infuriated no yeah because i you know they had nothing on us yeah okay you know whether i was whether i was guilty or not them had a job to do legally yeah not not fucking illegally okay and were you finding you're getting yourself more and more wound up when you got let out how long was it before you then went back to nick again it was

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41:32that was I think that was the last time I went went in was it? yeah it was the last time I went in okay when this was all kicking off it sounded like the 90s was mad at any city Birmingham, Leicester, London Newcastle it was quality time to be fair with everyone partying but it was very naughty as well because there were just bouncers on the door either serving up or you know who's the artist in the town you're on the door Dodger let's finish this because this is quite a story for that right so when I got against the court in Christopher Knox I was using Noxy Christopher Knox just for the prostitution bit yeah yeah for the prostitution I was using him as my barrister because he was he was a really good barrister we got a he got his three acquittals out of four he got your three acquittals out of four out of four ok so he's when I when I was at it was a six week trial in the crown court now for that six week trial it was the judge he hated me he hated it when the other lads were up in that when they were going to a sentence in that he was asking if I looked at my clears to see her he says oh I've got picture of this man yeah they fucking were coming back to jail we're going and I thought he's got no read to be biased like that so anyway we're going to court this there was a prostitute she come she got coming down to Newcastle she was in a safe it was they took her family on hold it yeah took her family on hold it who the prostitute okay the police had yeah took her family on hold it she was in a safe house up up Northumberland and she was a smack head and she'd come get in the car and come driving back to Newcastle she got stopped off the off the plod and she'd give him a phone number she says there's a phone number, you better ring it when she phoned that number she turned around and said that to the whoever in charge of the operation against me they had to they had to fucking get her back in the car, take her back to Vassafus and not charge or anything.

43:47And this was brought out in court. It should have been thrown out and the judge wouldn't let it be thrown out. And that's how much they wanted to die. Yeah, they wanted you. Aye? Yeah, okay. I get it. Was there any time in your life where you thought you could lose your life? Well, a few things with that. Yeah, a few things. There was, when Alice Carrion kicked off with, Raviv and etc etc right there was there was an incident when I was in in the club in Dodgy Dodgy rear he says will you let Michael Sears back in the club is that the Sears family at Newcastle their faces up there yeah yeah I says I'll let them in it's on your head yeah yeah Dodgy he says right right so I let Michael in and he was walking past us kind of like that and point me in the league like that I says to you I said Michael you better stop the fucking shit he says it's just a bit frisked doing what's the matter with you I said how you fucking frisked with somebody else I said no chocolate now there was the last car Sasha she was a stripper she'd come in with this like a lump of a kid bodybuilder type and Michael put his hand up her clothes and grabbed a hold of a tush like sort of thing and the kid reacted which anybody would and it started having to go and I was standing there and I had to separate them.

45:13Now, this, this, Michael, they drawed, he's drawed back to have a shot and I went bang. Good night. Bump. He's out. So I grabbed him by the scruff and I'm dragging him along the floor and it was Nigel, Nigel Abaddon was there, Raycey was there and a few others, like names from the West End. I says, anybody else want any of this? They says, no, no, not us, not us. and I tell him they don't I says get your salute and I says the lads get him over here and he's not fucking welcoming anymore the next day Dodgy phoned us up he used to live facing the fucking club he says I've got somebody here he's not happy not happy I said he says Michael he says he's one of the best fighters in the tour and he's fucking blah blah blah and I says time to stay there I'll be a one five minutes so he fucking comes over the bridge just gets there against the Dodgy's I says you're not happy Michael I says we're getting a tennis park yeah and they're getting a tennis court at the back of the flats i says we'll fucking sort this dude no yeah yeah yeah yeah he says you know he says let me shake hands now he says how will have a coffee with us so he says take us and i says oh now can we have a coffee so i went up the west end with him went in a little cafe that they've got that they had to visit there and i went into there and sat down there a cup of coffee and i glance that's how much fucking arsehole I've got Michael I said I've had my coffee you're still kind of getting a club because he was expecting he's like a few to be buttered up yeah yeah to be there and I just says that's how much arsehole I've fucking got yeah were you at this point now you're building a massive reputation for yourself were you at a point where you got super paranoid that you were having to carry something or sleep with something at night or carry it everywhere you went yeah well because there was people pulling guns on us and knives and it was getting a bit it was getting really really head gun yeah and I used to sleep with a submachine gun on my pillow you used to sleep with a submachine gun yeah like a Bosnian submachine gun on my pillow it was and I never used to get into the house without it I used to have two lads like like something on the TV yeah two lads come pick us up make sure the streets were clear and everyone used to drop us off on each time the same thing again you know because it was it was I was a name that other firms didn't want it you know because I wouldn't I wouldn't like I wouldn't have like bowed to them I wouldn't let them do what them wanted to do yeah and they didn't like that yeah was there was there any of the doormen serving up at the time where drugs got involved and super violence happened regarding the drugs or taking the certain doors knowing that you've got a thousand people at the club that's my club I'm taking that or other doormen trying to take your club well they wouldn't no anybody would have tried to take the club nobody would have they wouldn't have the arsehole to do that okay so you were properly game oh just a fucking bit are you still properly game today yeah but me now I'm a changed man yeah yeah well we'll get on to that later on you know what's happening to my life yeah did you ever come across Brian Cockrell yeah I've come across Brian yeah I've come across him the tax man from Middlesbrough isn't he yeah from that down that end Stockton I think it was yeah down that end I've come across him I took a I had a door it was a door down in like an all night club down there you can't have kids Stevie who owned the place and he asked me to come down and look after sort of route because he was losing thousands of pounds every night because they were just working in doors bringing 10 fucking 15 handed in so I took a few lads down and I stopped it Brian come in and I says Brian you're in your last guest but I says the rest has got up here which it was fair dues he said alright right you know pleased to meet you and then the owner of the club he phoned me up the next day he says too and he like paid us off he says I'm getting death threats and everything I said well he says no he says I didn't want it too I didn't want this I'm just here to make a few quid he says that they're fucking threatening me he says my family's doing here he says thanks but no thanks yeah okay so you're doing him a favour trying to get him more money by protecting the doors because it wasn't your patch.

49:30He goes, go back up Newcastle. He's got the chew. Yeah, okay. Okay. How would you describe Brian Cockrell at his peak? Well, I didn't have a lot to do with him. You didn't have a lot to do with him, no. Taxman, no. No, no. Something I've never done. Yeah, okay. What about Lee Duffy? I met Lee Duffy once. It was, it was, it raved down at South Shields. It was at, I think it was at Oz Club. I'll have been at Oz Club Jimmy Thea had he was running it Jimmy Thea he was Dean he was a little man want to be a big man yeah and he was running it and I think he was with Michael Sears I think Lee Duffy and he come in and he approached us and he says he goes Stuart what's I says aye he says Lee Duffy I says oh pleased to meet you Lee I didn't I haven't got a if I haven't got a rip with him I'm a nice fella yeah yeah but I will not fucking going oh yes three bags full yeah he says you look like hard work I said well I hope I'm going to find that out you know and he says I hope not and we shook hands and that was the only time I spoke to him yeah what about what about up in up in Newcastle when the name comes up Paddy Conroy I never had no idea with the Conroys did you not no I didn't are you the same age kind of same age group I didn't ask I didn't ask I didn't ask how old Paddy is tell the truth but he'd be running about that yeah just not make up a tea yeah why not just loud and brash you know it's not me I'm here doing this podcast because I'm finding it hard to get out for what I've done the other things but I'm not ashamed of me past yeah not ashamed of anything absolutely yeah not ashamed of anything I've done me past yeah I had to do that I'm dyslexic in the education yeah and I had to fight for everything yeah you know it was hard you know when I was a kid it was hard so when you were growing up then before you got on the doors were you involved in the rave scene in the late 80s yeah I was tell me about that it was I was Dean of Dawes at first for the raves with a kid called Davy Snowden and he he just he just shit himself you know when he's Dean of we're making good money yeah I bet and he just he just I said pan right skitzer and he says he was going to chuck it I says I was straight I says he says you just take it so I don't know what to do with it now because it was getting we're getting up there yeah yeah yeah and he just didn't want to but it was under we used to call it underground promotions at first because it was all it was all cloak and dagger wasn't it yeah yeah because it says I got nicked for for the for the drugs and and when when I come to house to my house and read it there was lists 50 50 50 and there's about I think there's about 10 names there and it says there were drugs there were tickets for the Flaming Raves yeah okay And then wild DJs.

52:28Okay. But they tried to flip it in the clear. Flip it, yeah. I'd say, what's that? Yeah. And when I was in court, they said, they go, come on, Mr. Watson, what has Raves got in common with? I said, music. He says, yeah, but what is, what can I music? I said, what's rock and roll got in common with? Heavy metal. I said, it's music. I said, you're painting a picture for the jury and it's not, it's wrong. I said, not everybody in Raves is off that flaming head. A lot of them they're listening to the music because they like the music. And they try to flip it. And that's back to when I got nicked. Me brother and Which for?

53:07Which one for? The drugs. I wish I wouldn't say that. One, two, three, four, five. You make me sound like a right criminal.

53:16This me brother and Davy they said that them were going to get five and I was getting ten when we're at court. So they were they were going to give you 10 years for 3 ,000 pills. They were going to, yeah, because it was a big, it was big then. Yeah. Then it was, yeah, yeah. And now this, but it's not that, it's how long you've been active. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So when in court, they had sweet FA on me, not, you know, but they said, if the other two take a deal, my brother and Davey take a deal, and take, gang guilty, they'll, I can walk. So everybody, hands take the deal take the deal so me and i'm a proper man yeah mate and i turn around says hold down wait a minute i says the barrister what what what chance they got he says 50 50 i says toss of a coin i say i ain't taking it off them i said we're going to the trail he says but if you them get found guilty they can take you doing with it i said i'm prepared to take that chance yeah and the three were whacked it yeah the three were white the record yeah the whole thing everyone was whacked out yeah yeah okay everybody walked out that's that's you know that was me as a person yeah you know where were you at the time when viv graham got shot i'll be in at rock shots i'll be in a rock shots i think was it um no i wouldn't have been i would be getting ready to gan to the night yeah to the night club because it was it was new year's eve i think it was and i think it was happened he got shot through the day didn't he or something did you did you was there something really bubbling over in newcastle at that time when you're going right something something's happening something's going to happen here yeah you couldn't you could sense it no anything could have happened any time yeah that time anybody could have you know anybody you know it was it was it was it was like dangerous times and you you had to when they knew that you couldn't give a fuck and you would do the same you know you're prepared to go and I'll away with them yeah you know they used to respect you for that yeah you know because otherwise you know give somebody a chance to walk I'll owe you yeah yeah and you jump to there but no one's been no one's been found for that not guilty no guilty for anything but wasn't there a an informant somewhere was there an informant involved the driver of the car well i didn't know i well i didn't it didn't really bother me who'd done it and what you know and who was involved yeah i said before i wouldn't want to know i didn't want to know it's better not to know yeah yeah yeah i hear how long were you on the doors for overall do you think uh well i started once with 24 they're just doing discos and this you know and I just progressed from there yeah till at least 10 years yeah the most naughtiest 10 years as well yeah look back and laugh and you're coming out scared you know you're coming out scared yeah what was the point when you said I need to carry I need to carry that machine gun around it was like a machine gun yeah not no no no yeah that machine gun it's like when you go fishing in it but how big you catch that fish it was working that big no it's just a little buzzing one like that like a machine pistol sort of thing yeah yeah when was the point when you thought i've got to start carrying now yeah when he shot two above my head and that and i was they were saying i was i was gonna get it i was gonna get done you know yeah so i had to be i'd be on my tours all the time that feeling must be horrible yeah it was you know every every time you're waking up in the day getting a bit at night parrot waking up who's knocking on the door power like were you using gear as well yeah well i was partying while the team wasn't i yeah partying that's a double whammy yeah i was partying i was i just don't you know i'm not gonna i'm not gonna sit here and tell lies yeah i did party you know what was your drug of choice back in the day there were the ease yeah yeah i used to i went down remember rain dance yeah yeah i was down i went to now a palomain had something to do with it you know yeah yeah really called him as well but I forget his second name I ended up buying a Merc off him and we're down there it was Sharon my wife and Pat Pat Brown then we ended up on the stage with the dancers the rear guns do they want to get up there or the dancers and there was like 13 ,000 people at this point and this is us I mean they get up on the stage dancing it was good times then we're good look back at them like the reminisce but you kind of get them days back Dodge absolutely mate and that's why I'm doing that's why I do the podcast because it's nostalgia I'm not just saying these conversations it's the music conversations the club land it's whatever we don't want 50, 60, 70 80 year olds leaving the earth and not having something that's evergreen that's going to sit on YouTube for 100 odd years for a lot because when someone's brown bread these days they're on the mantelpiece for two years then they get put in the loft and then in 10 years they're forgotten that's why it's important we were talking about club land and talking about all this stuff, you know?

58:09Yeah, it was, it was, I had it, it was an all night club called Energy House. You opened up a club? Well, I was allegedly, I did, yeah. I love how everyone's allegedly, yeah.

58:23Did you actually own a club yourself at any point? No, I had quite a lot to do with it, with the Rock Shots, a gear club at the finish, you know, I had influence in it, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, about the Energy Club, It was like an all-nighter. It was an old tyre place. It's a nick now. Yeah, it's funny. No, you wonder what we used to, because everyone did it. No, but they used to get raided every weekend just about. Yeah. And I was at court. No, I wasn't at court. It was one of Lazarus's court, and I went to court with him, up to the Crown Court. And these two big fellas come around. I thought, these are busies.

59:09He says, so, I says, aye. He says, come on, where are we? I says, aye. I said, but I want to witness. He says, oh, another little sage room. Yeah. Took one. And Bruni come in with us. This is, this is coming from the hierarchy. This is, these raves have got to stop. Because we're getting, they're chasing their tails. because it was doing as a dance studio. And basically, you're not selling alcohol, you're selling water. And basically, that's what they're doing, dancing. And loving life. Yeah, and there was no restrictions on the text, you see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was like a gray area. Yeah.

59:53But then you just changed the person's name it was in, and when it went for them, it was in somebody else's name, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. and he says right you've had your fun if you don't if it doesn't get closed you're going to get found with gear on you your door staff ears and so is your DJ's and I says what do you mean mate mate I said it's got nothing to do with me this is this is why it's got to stop this is from the top and I says well I'll have to pass it down the lane let's see you know who's got it I said maybe if you give him offer him 10 weeks

1:00:33without any interference. He might take it, I'll ask him. And he says, he gets on the blue and he comes back and he says, tell him, like, look, tell him he's got his 10 weeks, it better be closed, he's not going to get it. So they gave you the 10 weeks, guaranteed. They gave me it, they gave somebody else. Okay. Yeah, they gave somebody else in 10 weeks.

1:00:57Quality. So tell me when you moved on in life, tell me how your 40s and 50s were. When did you start coming out of the game? When did you start going clean and going, do you know what? I'm out of this game now. I'm done. It's about 78 years ago. Okay. How old are you today? I'm 64. Okay. Yeah, 64. So about mid-50s, you were like, I'm done now. It got yours for me. I didn't. Yeah. Yeah, it was just, I had had enough of like being somebody you didn't want to be. it was when you're in that position you've got to put an act on it's a show and it's a show that you've got to ensure you've got to show people that but it's not really it's not really you as a person if it is really you as a person you've got mental problems yeah yeah but you've got sometimes you've got to put your act on yeah yeah was it a relief when you hang your gloves up and going do you know I'm done with this now yeah because then you know but the the busiest the police still wouldn't let us go yeah they're still on your case oh i got stopped seven times in five days of armed police why why well how old were you how old were you then 40s oh in your 40s when okay 40s kind of 50s no no not like that no okay no um and it says they were stopping there the dart team that because i had pubs then yeah all right and i stopped the dart teams in the buses and that you know and it was about two ride vans five busy cars coming in and searching all the dark people and then opening their bonnet and ripping the the leads off the off the battery says there's a ticket for you for your battery yeah you know and i just thought fuck the ball up yeah there's a big lads coming yeah yeah just you know it's just ridiculous and how much that cost for that yeah but then they were talking is every time i went out the door there was i was getting stopped seven times in five days and my wife was taking a kid to school and that and it just got a bit tedious so I got onto my solicitor and he got onto the inspector to Tom's office to Ferry and Graham so and I said what so he guns the inspector guns didn't shoot the messenger because he knew it was wrong he knew it was fucking wrong but they're there just to annoy you yeah because they were armed busies all armed as well aye aye okay yeah it was fucking it was full full on yeah two or three cars fucking yeah good search you know and it was just ridiculous and the the thought they said with this this inspector i says what are you fucking doing this for and he says uh ever uh information received that you're dealing from your car i can't are you fucking having a giraffe for me i said i'm up there what I'm doing there dealing with my car I says are you you know that is a proper piss take proper piss I says calm doing how can they say that the thing they've got us up there Johnny Big Biles and then they're saying I'm dealing fucking selling 10 20 deals putting deals with the car you know I says you know they're wrong and they were all wrong but your reputation of being a gangster up in Newcastle was the reputation Yeah, but that's a reputation of being a gangster.

1:04:20You're going to sell a fucking ton of deals. No, but I'm saying, it's their thinking, well, let's just annoy him. Yeah, yeah. It's annoying. It's annoying until things calm down, I guess. But I wasn't Dean now. No. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's what I know. Have you ever read a proper sentence or you've just had two remands? Yeah, I got sentenced with, I got a seven stretch for a gunfight that would save me hoose. Did you? Yeah. That was, that's one of the reasons I've only had to tell the truth about what happened there. What happened? Well, it was, I'll carry on when I tell you, but I went down to the venue, I think it was the venue it was called in Spennymore.

1:05:00It was Rob Armstrong and Joe Hunt had it, and then we'd lean the door, looking after the door there. Now, some of my lads that were working on my door, I used to let them off early to go and work that door, because I had five extra doors. so I can't do another thing and as soon as I walked in with a lad called Greg Greg Johnson you could have you felt the atmosphere ah yeah I thought the fuck's the matter yeah and this kid's got his arm across the door and and I'm talking and I says what's and I went I said what's your cell and and it was Wayne Pilkey turned on and says Stewie says we're not fucking it's not a stop to tell you them should be telling you they didn't want you in here I said who doesn't want us in here he says Robert Armstrong and Joe Hunt he says they didn't want you in I says the kid shift your fucking arm out that door I'll snap it and he got like that and Wayne goes you better fucking move it he's not fucking boot and so he moved his arm and I stayed down there and I said listen lads I'm going to get my cell away because I'm not going to put you in that position so I went up there I went to the town the next night up doing the big market and I says the door staff doing there who Rob Armstrong had a couple of doors there I said I should have fucking gaffer I said get him down here I tell him I'm here I'm waiting and he never come down yeah now there was a kid called Paul Ashton right he's a fucking lunatic they teamed up with Rob Armstrong and they come to me luckily luckily man it was luckily I got a phone call saying that somebody had some Tom for CLI and it was just before I think it was in December or something so I went looking for and I said I'm going to have a look at it because it's 12 o 'clock every day five days a week I was in the gym and luckily I wasn't there that day Guardian Angel because there was a team of 25 fucking waiting and that didn't arrive they all come in tooled up and the few of the lads that were nests were lucky I wasn't fucking lucky I was just getting looked after so so anyway got out of hand and there was a bit of a carry on with Ashton Paul Ashton he had he had been shot at basically, allegedly and he had been shot in a vest he had a vest, put a blue vest on he had a car with a hole in the windscreen and we had a and then about I think it was later on that day or the next day he's coming run by my house and there was five of us getting up the motor and he's opened fire on us inside my front door so opened fire back again it was him so we got nicked he gets away and we get nicked so on remand on remand there was a phone call went to the jail saying that we're planning on the escape and had the resources to get home to escape.

1:08:14This is a cut of your fucking neck, by the way. Yeah. You ain't getting out. Yeah. So, we got put on cut here and fucking cut here there for 11 months. How many of you? Yeah, five of them. Okay. Right, so, this Paul Ashton, his missus had made a statement. His missus made a statement and he wanted 50 grand for her to drop the statement. And I said, because he sent that into Nais Labadon in the jail. I says, tell him to fuck off. He's not out of the woods, shit he's still. I says, he better fuck off. I says, he's setting the fucking ground rules, yeah. He better fuck off. So then the charges gets dropped from conspiracy to murder, attempted murder, to Section 18 with intent because they're getting our guns.

1:09:05Yeah. They're what, sorry? They got our guns. Yeah, okay. Wow. So, one worked. So then, he gave them a fucking, he gave them the bulletproof vest with a bullet in it to the busies. Yeah. So we got interviewed again. But they couldn't, they couldn't do nothing with it because he had had in his possession for too long and it could have been tampered with. Yeah. So he gave them the car with a hole in the windscreen. He's trying to get the lights off. Yeah. So we turned. We too, we turned. I said, I'm not fucking having this. And people started calling me a grass. I said, listen, people want to call me a grass for fucking defending the way he set the ground rules fucking that Carl is a grass yeah but I could have took throughout the country I could have took fucking hundreds of people away mm you know I could have you know I he's the fucking only man I've ever turned on in my life but he set the ground rules yeah what you're supposed to do when a man's trying to get your life off yeah yeah I've got kids I've got a family up there and if I'd have gotten a life off he was there to fucking torment a life with them yeah And he set the ground rules, not me.

1:10:10I hadn't said fucking sweet fuck all until he started demanding money, and then giving them the evidence. And I'm no mug. And I couldn't give a fuck what people say. If I put them in my position and see what them would have done. Give it the large thing. I've no said no. When he's fucking set the ground rules and he's trying to get your life off. Fight fair with fair for me. and like I said I've been in positions with a lot of people and I could have took a lot of people doing if I was a grass so I'm not and I defended myself and my family and if that's if I'm wrong people think I'm wrong I couldn't give a fuck I defended he said he put the grounds he put the grounds rules on he started it he started it when the fuck was he going to stop when was he going to stop He had already put one of my pals away for seven years.

1:11:08You tell the busies that he had hit the gear under the fucking, under a stone. Okay, so he did what? He had already put a friend of mine in jail. Yeah, for? Because he told the busies that because Ashley was having a rumble with Kid Carl Stephen Eastland. So Paul Ashton is having a rumble with someone else? Yes. Yeah, okay. And the kid put the gear under the fucking brick. Yeah. And when the kid went to pick them up, the busies were awaiting them. Okay. Yeah? And the judge said, it's in the archives, anybody wants to look and I'll sit any lie to take that test anybody wants us to sit yeah that man informed on him and the judge said Paul Ashton is an informer in this case and Stuart here the inspector Sergeant CID Stuart here he was his fucking handler and he said this in court the judge and they can't have a shot at me for defending myself when he's trying to get me left off that's not a grass yeah a grass is some fuck for their own gains and get somebody off the street like he was trying to do yeah I could have took many people doing a me dodge if I want if I was that way yeah what's that feeling like like grass that name grass is a no go in our well it's not nice it's not nice that's my point so when you got called that and there was rumours going around how did that make you feel I'm a proper man I stood up to it yeah I stood up to it but the people just didn't want to know the truth.

1:12:34Okay. Yeah. They didn't want to know the truth because he was, he is fucking meant to be taught at his fucking nutter. Yeah. Yeah. Is he still about today? He's still about today. But he's still in and of the jail. He's, you know, that's how he's going to deal all his life. But the evidence is there. People want to look for it. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't no grass. I defend it myself. The way he, the only way I could. Yeah. The only way I could. Hmm. And if one of people want to see us, I'm a grass. If they think that's been a grass, I'm a grass. Yeah. It fucking certainly could have took a lot of people with us.

1:13:10Try to get it. You know, I try to. There's something I'm not. Yeah. I'll tell you an instant. This is how, this is. When I was in, when I was in Katia, I was in, I went into, sent us to Doncaster. There's a kid called D.F. Taylor. He was a fucking naughty bit of work. he's in for he'd been in for shooting and he had been in this was a norm robbery on the jewelers but he's a fucking he's a fucking beast you know like a nasty bit of work but he befriended me he befriended me that kid there put me in a position in my life and I didn't want to be in the fucker and if I was a fucking grass a rangan this is a time I would have fucking I could have it was very it was, it was, you know, I was in a nice fucking position I was in this judge.

1:14:01He was, he was looking at getting life tough because he had loads of fucking armed robberies and everything on his case. But he was a dangerous kid, I knew he was. But he befriended me because he knew I was a threat to him on a wing. Anybody come in with parcels, he used to take the, he used to put his fingers up them and pull them out or put salt to them or lick, it would make them sick and that. And the kids in there used to say to me, Joe, how am I? Have a word one. I says, listen, he's not taken to bring the shite in you know what he's like I'm having no doubt I just want to do me jail yeah so there's a punch bag on the landing and me and him used to be on it every day and that's how he knew I was a fucking threat to him so now the clips he used it had four clips on them you know holding the bag up he took one of the clips off and put the three of them so it didn't look as if there was any missing and he straightened it out so he's got a fucking he's got a tool oh that'd be fucking hell like that and he's got fucking rope on it yeah like that for a handle piece yeah and the day before he went to court he showed me this and he says if I get fucking found guilty these guards are gonna get it the guards are gonna get it and I'm over the fucking top I thought fuck fuck honestly my stomach was turning I prayed that for that he would get off yeah And luckily he did.

1:15:27But I couldn't, I couldn't have grasped him. But I prayed that them fucking, the two kids who were just doing a job were going to be harried. Yeah. And luckily they were. But he was a dangerous fucking lad. Yeah, yeah. Proper dangerous kid. Tell me, they wanted to get you lifed off but you got seven. Did you do three and a half? I don't, yeah. Three and a half. I got, it got knocked into a three or a four it was. Okay. Yeah. What's that feeling like being in Nick knowing that someone wanted to get you lifed off and that person could have access to your family but you can't do anything well you couldn't you couldn't with the firm that i had then it's you're when you've got a firm yeah and any any situation you're in i know i'm your fucking whatever yeah you're only as strong as that man standing there yeah yeah if if he buckles yes yeah the whole lot the foundations are gone yeah you stand there strong and people stand strong behind you you fucking buckle everybody buckles yeah I stood in it I stood in the yard exercise yard in Durham when I went in this was when I went in after that for the for the prostitutes and I stood there and somebody shooting you to win the fucking grass and I stood in the yard and I guys any fucker in his jail got anything to say to me fucking get doing here and see it in the yard yeah they've been fucking hand you know I stay behind closed doors and shoot and I never anybody said it again but somebody would have said oh he's doing it next door yeah and he would have had the fucking face of consequences.

1:16:54Yeah. Yeah. How game were you to have a tear up? Two fucking game. Two game. Okay. How many tear ups do you reckon you've had? Well, I can see the few scars on my face. Yeah. But they couldn't hurt us, man. Is that right? I couldn't fucking hit me. Yeah. I used to go, look at him like that. Come on. Come on. Have you seen Paul Nashton since? Yeah, I see it. Yeah, yeah. He's fucking. What was that like the first time you saw him? I didn't want no to deal with him. I didn't want no to deal with him. Keep away from me and I keep away from him. But what he done was fucking out of order. It was wrong.

1:17:33Do you still hold a grudge today in the age you're at now? Well, it would. Well, I didn't hold a grudge, but he will. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Forgive and forget. That's me. Yeah, okay. Yeah. It's nuts. What's Newcastle like today? What's Newcastle like today? I don't think it's anywhere near what I'm just saying. I don't think anywhere is yours. No, it's not. No. Nowhere in the country is. you sell cameras and this and that and I've got kids on the door who can't even fucking put the cat out you know you know what I mean it's true in them days you fucking had to be you had to be a lump and you had to be handy yeah yeah what was the what was the moment your enlightenment to be doing what you're doing now just explain to people what you're doing now well I'm a healer now believe it or not he's in general I'm a healer how mad's that when you think about it do you know when we first started speaking I'm like Dodge I come on the podcast we'll do this and also I want to talk about the healing and I've looked into it I'm like you've gone from being super naughty to now healing people well you've seen some of my work yeah I have yeah it's fucking amazing isn't it yeah I mean I feel well from what I've seen from what I've just seen snippets and stuff yeah but I've said to prove to people bring somebody in with an injury and I'll fucking shift it like that yeah it's so powerful my friend so powerful it's unbelievable but before I my family it was hard to accept what I'm doing it's hard for me to accept it because I can see all your energy every I'm dyslexic in the education I didn't go looking for stuff I didn't go looking for this I didn't ask for it just here it's like a runaway train still here it's like a runaway train I can drive the train no I can't stop the fucker it's so powerful mate and see all your energy.

1:19:21Everybody's got an energy field. Not an aura, it's an energy field. Yeah. And well connected and I can see it with my eyes. My spectrum of light is main blowing. If I hadn't, you took me through that life that I went through. Yeah. For how many years? 50? How many years until you stopped? How old were you? About 50 years old. Okay. About 54, something like that. And people now come and see you to get healed. Yeah. I've got four and a half thousand people on me Facebook. What's it called? Divine Lake Cosmic Healing. Divine Lake Cosmic Healing. Okay. I'm on TikTok called Stu Watson. Stuart Watson, sorry.

1:20:0313, 13, 13. Yeah. Yeah. And I've got a documentary about Carl Stu Watson, Hard Man to Healer. I was a kid. Hard Man to Healer. Yeah. I've had two. This lad come to us. His family come to us. Two hours to live off the doctor. the daughter's given two hours to live it's well worth a watch if you just want to watch it as in gents it's take some tissues because it's it's it's a TFL thing when you listen to it especially when his mum and his gran is telling their side of the story yeah yeah my son was at Newcastle for like 10 years was he yes from being 6 to 16 yeah and I used to love football and I fell out of love of football a bit through the way the clubs used to treat the young ones yeah I went all over the world with them yeah can't be falling out of the club the way they're playing today can you oh well yeah they're playing good stuff West Ham have been playing shit all season right we went up there men old man went in John's box yeah and we ended up winning 2-0 yeah away at Newcastle we haven't done that all season no one done Shearer's next to us we had a quality couple of days yeah yeah it was it's he's he was there from 6 to 16 and they just they just drop you like that okay but that's professional football it is it's horrible people think that it's 0.000 % make it as a professional footballer I think it's 0.1 % make it once you've gone from the academy up into the first team yeah it's very very hard it's a lot harder now than it ever used to be because the amount of players coming up yeah that's right but even in the Premier League there's only two English managers yeah in the Championship there's 13 English managers yeah it tells you the tale yeah absolutely he was he was captain for three out there at Newcastle He was He was They got beat in the Quarter final In the quarter final The night cup The world Under 15 Yeah It's It's Manchester I went I went to I went to Spain I went to France I went to Greece I went to Italy But with him Following him Yeah following him Yeah yeah Yeah it was I used to love it Yeah Yeah He's a nice kid What's it like today When you walk around Newcastle For you the people clock you that kind of chat yeah yeah I used to people used to come and have their photos talk with us and that man in the clubs and that man I think yeah and I was it wasn't me yeah you know it wasn't and I just didn't you know it wasn't I used to feel embarrassed a bit kind of me photo talk kind of me photo talk and it was some some eventful life you live Stuart yeah it was yeah it's been different I've got my son there my oldest son Stuart he's a he's a great handful you know right he was I'll tell you the instant when we were down his mum moved away my first wife she moved down to Scunthorpe Crawley and he got on his head with some trouble with this fella down there this fella thought he was a bit of a lad my son battered him he was 15 and he knocked him on his horse so I got a phone call and I had to go and do him there I was just getting I was just getting I was on the licence so I got a show gun and five were jumped and went and went to got to an hour at 12 o 'clock and eat.

1:23:19And these two Merc convertibles are flying around where he lives. This fella had getting them in from Scunthorpe. I think I'm sure they were Indians. I think they were Indians anyway. So when I pulls up at the Uteid and he says I've got to put the windows out and everything in the house where the kids were. So I says, right. And then they pulls up and these Mercs are handbraking fucking the Mercs and that fucking off along the street after them and then the handbrake that I said that'll do for me the jumpsuit the jumpsuit with the nunchuckles and everything fucking jumped out those weird blades hey they fucking got it they got it oh did they not they got it and the fucking Mercs were ripped to bits and fucking and I had to hide them in the motorhome team fucking back in Newcastle gets a phone call and when I get the call the next year they put Caroline's windows out who's Caroline?

1:24:19me ex-wife ok so she had put the windows out them had put the windows out so I phoned the local bar but I knew the bird who was running it doing it Karen I says there's a big man and I said put him on the fucking phone so he comes on the front of us and I says listen lad we've been down once I said next time I come you'll have anywhere to live i says you're fucking coward i says that's putting the windows out when the kids is there i says yeah anything happens again i'll be back doing and you'll have nowhere to fucking live and like that i says you've been warned i said no it fucking ends there you know the busies had told him who we were yeah who had been doing morning moss and he he says you know the busies says i don't think you know how you're dealing with here yeah yeah and it's like stop there you Have you got, who are your top three men in Newcastle who you could really rely on over the years?

1:25:16Nobody. No one? You didn't trust anyone? Not now. No. Not now. The only, a lot of people's there when you're given. Yeah. Yeah? People's there when you're given. When you're not given. You know, there's a lot of people, a good friend, right? It's somebody you can, you know, it takes a few years time. hi and you can phone him up and say right but you haven't got to be in their pocket all the time yeah yeah and now I wouldn't I wouldn't bring people in that then Alex of Craig there he's a hardy kid he's a fucking hardy kid yeah tough kid a hardy kid but I wouldn't put him in that position mm in that because there I guess when we're coming doing here my trouble ends up your trouble yeah and I wouldn't put anyone in that position yeah I'm not like that yeah yeah there's a few with the teams I had see I had bars and that and there was loads of loads of aggro with the bars all the time yeah there's an instance where you said the willows it's now we sell it for houses and there was a rugby team coming from Wales I think they won a bachelor party and they were messing around with the young lasses in there touched them and that me and my son Stuart Gans up there and he's my Gans up this big kid touched it I says yeah lad Chuck it in And I come across And took him sitting I was sitting on a stool At the bar And I come across Says What do you call him From Middlesbrough Smogies aren't there And Sunderland Mackams He says And you's a georgies aren't you I says That's the poor sir mate He says We're fucking He's all English But we're fucking haters Because The deed They slate with Alright So I says Keep your fucking thoughts yourself And then he went and touched His fucking birds again So I gets old a big kid And fucking Houses him in the passage and you have a shot and you have a shot and you have a shot and you have a shot and you have a shot and you have a shot and they were coming through many more in the passage and they only come through the door one of the fucking times so they were fucking on ping pong ping ping and yeah God bless the kid he was getting married and he's his bachelor he says he can't say he got he had swallowed his tooth when he was lung had had the place cordoned off and everything I thought I thought fuck's sake aye but they come back that's where they come my brother and they got it luckily the busies went up to the who are telling us we think now who's done it aye so you know I've got the new vote for him and done it and the kids give him that joke he says listen we come to trouble and we got it and we got what we asked for yeah put his hand up how many ABHs and GBHs have you had over time not a lot because I haven't really done it fucking my son's had more than me Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:28:06Yeah? The life, it's... How would you explain Stuart Watson to someone who didn't know Stuart Watson when he was at his prime? Well, people know, I was a nice... I was a fair bloke. I was never a bully, never a bully, but I wouldn't stand doing it to anybody and people knew that. People knew that, you know, people who would be watching this list of it who know me they'll not if they're honest they'll tell they'll tell the truth yeah because I didn't bow down to anybody yeah I didn't bow down to anybody so you've certainly lived an eventful life yeah I have lived an eventful life you have I just feel people you know I realise what I'm doing now yeah to be healing yeah can I say this any footballers out there any sports out there I can get them back dodged I can get them back on a pitch like that yeah in back training with no no lasers no creams no just just healing and if they want to check my workout I'll go and check it out fantastic it's well worth a watch fantastic Stu I've loved this mate yep thank you my friend thank you for making the effort coming down here I appreciate it you're a gentleman thanks for the help cheers mate good man good man hi guys I really hope you enjoyed that as much as I did can you do us a favour and leave us a review as it massively helps us grow the show cheers guys

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