#311. Warehouse Raves to Fetish Parties - Rubber Ron

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1:25When did the DJing really take off for you? You've DJed for Prince and Madonna and P. Diddy. Even Elon Musk. I think a lot of people invite me to because I've got a level of discretion even though I'm saying it all out here now. Tell me about P. Diddy. I was starting to play at private fetish parties. Give an example what a fetish party is. If you think of an acid house party it's exactly that same principle. The only difference is we've got a dungeon and a medical room. We were filming in one of the mafia guys' houses in Prague. Gave us our own personal bodyguard who was walking around with a Luger gun.

1:59This guy was a bit weird because he had a whole Nazi bagalia. I'm like, black man. I was doing illegal parties. I copied the warehouse style thing. We had some funny times getting nicked and everything. What's the funniest thing you've seen at that party? Funny story. Ron, have you ever seen anyone die on the job? I'm going to remain anonymous as I explain this particular journey.

2:30Welcome to the Eventful Lives podcast. I'm your host, Dodge, and I'm the founder of Bournemouth 7s, the world's largest sport and music festival. On this podcast, I speak to proper characters of all lived eventful lives. Do us a favour and hit that follow button and be sure to check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and TikTok at Dodge Woodall, where we've now had over 100 million views. Ron, welcome to the show, mate. Hey, I'm here. I'm here. Finally here. Finally here, yeah. I've been watching you guys for some time there, yeah. Had a lot of my associates on there. We have, mate, and I'm very much looking forward to this one.

3:03Let's roll our way back. How did you end up going from West Ham's ICF to getting the nickname Rubber Ron? Well, I was brought up in Upton Park Road. So when I was at school, it's the maddest thing, I was about five years of age. This older boy used to take me around to try and beat up kids, right? And the thing was, you've got to hate Millwall. I didn't even know what Millwall was. I didn't even know what West Ham was. My first thing was being taught that you hate Millwall. Anyone that talks about Millwall, I was like, didn't know. Anyway, as I grew up, got to the age of 10 or 11, and I started going over West Ham.

3:35So I met Cass over there and all the rest of them. So you know what you like. We started for the North Bank. Yeah. Then went to the South Bank. Yeah. Then went to the West Side. Yeah. And then it got to a point where I realized, because I was going all the away games and coming back and then going clubbing. And I just thought, you know what, I can't, my life's got to change to go in the direction because I got more and more and more into the clubbing world. And I took, I mean, I took it, I was a serious raver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But before you became a raver, what was that like being going away games, West Ham, going to North Pets, South Bank with Cass and Andy Swaller and that lot?

4:07Well, you know, because there's Danny Cassidy. Danny Cassidy, yeah. He's got a story. And Grant, yeah. Grant Flippen. Yeah, I know. So, you know, we were young. we were young guys and i was i was there as support i was one of the boys that went it straight i was there support you know we were part of west ham and you you know what west ham is all about little groups from your areas i was living in hornchurch so that was with all the hornchurch lot so we used to go on the coach together on the train everything together and um so and then they did that hooligan film remember when butch did the hooligan film i weren't on that but it was interesting uh the times had changed yeah and uh and i kind of fell away from going to football that period for some time and i've got more and more into the clubbing thing so if it wasn't for the clubbing scene in the rave scene yeah you've carried on do you think i think so i could have been dragged into it yeah i thought i would have gone along with it because at the time it felt the right thing to be around but then i got this i got a moment in life i just thought you know what i don't want to get nicked so i want to i want to i want to do something else do something more yeah and plus i wanted to move out of hall church i was like i want to go up west i want to double live in suburbs anymore yeah so what was it like living around that that sort of neighborhood around there being being black guy yeah right so i have some funny stories of that so being brought up in upton park i was there from up until i was 11 yeah so it's very mixed area i mean there was racism but not on the level on par of anything and then my parents wanted us to have a better education better life so they decided to try and get in a private school that didn't happen and then uh i decided to move out of hornchurch okay so i've walked into this school and they've got a green plain field i'm like what the fuck's that they got fucking they got grass i only saw the grass over the park you know we had our plain field was was ashville yeah so i've gone into this school and you know maybe it's because when you're brought up in east london and you're you get a bit cocky and you know where you are so when i went there i didn't feel intimidated i swear god i walked in that school and i just thought you lot are a load of mugs i thought what are these all these people but they used to send people around our house and knock on the door and ask for a glass of water and come in to see if we had tables chairs knives forks so we used to ham it up we'd say hey put that put that put put down on that guy's his legs sticking out the pot and then the kids would run run out the house so me and my brother and my mum dad we we my dad was a real wild man he's the kind of guy you could have put him in the national front meeting and it'll be arguing to take your moment have a chat with him yeah because he was he was like he could cut through anything just really quite clever so when we lived in that area i was like the one of the only few black kids in the whole school yeah so because i held my own they are you got subtle racism it wasn't overt racism and plus i i married up with a guy who was a spanish guy me and him clicked and we both could handle ourselves so we stuck together as good friends so we were left alone and then obviously then i started going to west down from 11 12 13 by then all the boys that were in my school that followed West Ham that was it I was in the pack yeah that was it and actually going over West Ham as well then you know there was a lot of black guys going over there there was lots of little black firms over there supporting West Ham it was a very unusual time yeah you know good times yeah good mad times you know if you think of all the different areas used to row each other can in town Stratford or but come together on Saturday yeah yeah happy days happy so what was that so what was your what was your movements then when you hit that sort of the club scene well what happened obviously living down there the main clubs was like the lacy lady yeah and um the goldmine so we were lacy boys goldmine and then obviously we went in we we i remember waiting to the certain age or a certain age to go from the lacy and going to the west end because then there was like clubs like crackers jaws which is used to layton stone so there was we really was this group of east end boys that were going from east up west up west we went up west yeah and discovered the hot that whole world and then i just we got more and more into it and then eventually i mean 76 i did my first warehouse party yeah that's when we were zoobies we become zoobies then because we've wearing all the different kind of clothes i bought my first sex original jeans out of sex on the king's road 1976 i've still got them actually yeah yeah but that was the king's road was a place to be right that was a place to be and it's funny because the whole punk the punk scene the lacy lady in 1975 76 there was guys and girls putting safety pins through their jaws in the venue doing it and then they used to have punk half hours so you'd go in there and then they play half hour punk music everyone jumping up down moving around where did you get the nickname rubber on i was working with nicky holloway yeah who created it's first he did the trip, then made on earth and then he did sin.

9:17And whilst I was working for him at made on earth, we were, I said to Nick, you know, I've got an, I'd started going to fetish clubs and I met this artist guy and he said, I've got this idea of doing a club. I went, you know what? Cause I was starting to play at private fetish parties. And I remember putting on, I've got a big dick. Remember that track? I've got a big dick. And then there was this guy, he's a dressed up fully enclosed in rubber. And he was doing that dance. You know, and he had the mask on and I went there's something here there's something here man there's something here so so this guy Paul said to me you fancy doing a club and I went you know what we do a one-off so anyway the guy I was working with at the time he got the um we went to do this club and he wouldn't allow me on his boat party so I went fuck it we're going to do our own club we started off submission and when I was starting it up now I based it on the same policy because i used to do um run a warehouse pies in 1983 yeah i was doing the original warehouse pies all over the place there was like circus and and uh we had a club and um you're you're the promoter for it yeah yeah yeah the whole thing the whole thing yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and i cass used to do my security yeah it's called the wireless set it's like we used to doing Rubberide Street in Bermondsey.

10:36And whilst we were creating this club, I realised that there was a real market for putting together what I was heavily involved with, which is the Acid House, where I sit. And I thought, why don't I put rubber in it and make these clubbers into rubber? Whilst I was doing it, I was still doing bits and pieces with Nicky. And I went, oh, Nick, I'm doing this rubber club. And Nicky went, Rodden's doing a rubber club, rubber Rodden. and Nicky can't even remember him making that up. And I went, that was it. That was it. Quality. Yeah, so he's the one that gave me the name. Where did, where, give an example what a fetish party is.

11:10Right. It's an interesting scenario because the first one I went to was like in 1983 and it was a club called Matros that later on became skinned. So I was getting it rick switch which way around. Yeah. But I was always fascinated from an early age about erotica. I don't know why I was a freak of the week in that shit. I was a very, I was a young learner. from the age of about five or six, I was fascinated by bondage stuff. I don't really, I can remember like, holding my dad's hand, walking up the escalators at Baker Street. And there was a girl in a miniskirt in front of me. I was looking up a skirt.

11:46I was about six or seven for the Perth stuff. And then, so the opportunity to go to these clubs, I'd heard about them. and I was working as a draftsman in Suffolk and what had happened was I walked around the back and I walked past this door and I went, hang on, there's something a bit dodgy in there. There's all these magazines. I went in there and it was a whole shop dedicated to bondage stuff. This guy goes, oh, do you know they do parties? I went, parties? What parties? And I went out my way and then I found out my mate, Steve Beach, who runs a thing called Westwood Bound. He invited me down to this club, Matress, in uh soho so and what i liked about it there was a dress code it was like leather rubber pvc uniforms fantasy but the most fascinating thing other than the beef i've never been to a place where the cross range of people was from like 18 up to 70 is that right 100 i mean if you if you was someone that went to uh a beef for in the early days the first thing you know is was the age groups that were on the clubs because if you were in london if you were over if you were if you were in your 20s and 30s you didn't see people in the 50s and 60s in class that didn't exist yeah but when you went to a beef and everyone everyone was there so that to me was the first kind of thing but in london the only place that kind of happened was in a fetish club in soa in the yeah in soa in falconberg place which is uh by tottencourt road next to how does it work then You just paint and get in the club.

13:16Everyone's dressed up. How is it working? There's different protocols and different things. I mean, there's like the fetish world is, as a term, is people that are intrigued and interested in materials of some description, which they have upon them, which turns them on. They have a rubber, PVC, shoes, blah, blah, blah. What's yours? Everything.

13:42Any day of the week? No. now my my fetish has always been at creating environments for people to express themselves that for me is the buzz okay creating a safe spot i mean there's when i used to do the dark room and when i used to do baglets we had a room the dark room right the only time i went in there was when i opened it up to switch the light off and then when i come at the end to switch the light on i'd never go fucking in there it could be a sheep in there was it free complete free for all it's completely dark there's nothing in it just a dark room with people but you know it's one of place but some people want to be in the space where they can't see nothing they don't know if it's boy girl girl boy whatever getting up to mischief wow yeah yeah get up to mischief so what i want to i want to know you go to fetch part you pay to go in yeah how many people are there you're talking 100 people 50 people we start when i first started submission we started off with something like so the brand was called submission or the club was called submission the brand was okay yeah we started off with something like 75 people we've been and i used to and it got bigger and bigger and we got to the point i was doing a 500 male shot and getting 500 people turned up i did a thousand i mean it was really yeah and it was people from all walks of life all over the place all on the same mission and obviously i was doing illegal parties just i copied the whereas stuff thing so you had a phone to that yeah tweaked it at that so the thing was so you'd have to phone up and i knew that the way to work it out was to announce the um the time and the place after five o 'clock on a friday because i knew that the council wouldn't be able to jump on it and they had all gone on yeah so and because it was so underground underground it was really great everyone didn't know where they were going so we'd get everyone's money we could have been right tonight and just run off but we they trusted us to take people on the journey so i was taking over all kinds of unusual warehouses spaces that you'd never dreamed of the club going on and then people walk in and going around and then we deck it all out into some quality yeah so what is it what time would it start what time would it finish DJ's bar what's it look like if you think of an acid house party in a warehouse think about and then think of all the different areas you've got you've got the chill out you've got different it's exactly that same principle only difference is we've got a dungeon

15:59and a medical room

16:05and various other options in cinema i mean we we had some funny times we got we got shut down we got the police i mean obviously we're running illegal but everything's illegal so we used to create inside the space we'd have the bar area and then we'd have soft bar area and then we used to hide the bar area so if the old bill would come in so a couple of times they'd come in and we'd section it off and they're looking for the bar and they'd either turn up on the door and they'd go what you're here for and we'd say oh it's a private party everyone in the queue would say it's private one idiot went no it's not and of course the police were trying to figure out if it was a private party yeah but under the under a private party you can get away with a lot of things yeah and the police tended to um leave that scene alone to an extent because it's very very rarely trouble i mean really rare you know what's the funniest thing you've seen at a party oh dear oh funniest thing this is uh i keep getting caught out with people asking me this we're gonna what's the man like the maddest thing you've seen there has anyone died at a party in any yeah yeah that's about yeah i was uh i'm gonna remain anonymous as i kind of uh explain this particular journey uh well once upon a time i was teaching in the west end my mates phoned me up and said there's a really cool swingers pie and it's literally around the corner from my house in made of ale and i went oh i'll come down anyway i've come down and it's about i got about four o 'clock and it was still quite busy i flung a bit of wood as you did as you do in those occasions and then it all filtered out and there was only four of us left the host and his partner and my friend and their partner and he'd been always trying to shake the other my mates missus for years and she wouldn't let him so but on this occasion she did and i was i said isn't that weird i thought you said she didn't like he goes run you know women are like they change her to mind anyway the conversation got around to conversation about how they got in the scene the other the couple and we're talking away and she said uh he liked a bit of chisel the chap you see and she kept saying i keep telling him he shouldn't be doing that stuff i goes why not he goes well my dad died at 42 my uncle died at 42 i said how are you then he goes oh it's a 42 i didn't think nothing of it but the universe has this amazing way to tell you to get out of dodge right but i didn't listen because no one ever does and i just decided to smoke another joint fall asleep everyone will laugh when i know because all my mates know asleep fall asleep anywhere so um i kind of woke up to um this guy shagging his missus you know now i'm looking what he's shagging his wife he's shagging his own wife okay yeah yeah and so the guy that's father died his uncle died he's now shagging his own wife it's all good but they're like mental it's like a fucking like a rocket going off it was i was like look you're going jesus christ he's gonna kill himself the way he's going there anyway he kept smashing and smashing away and all of a sudden he's kind of pulled out juiced over a back and collapsed on the floor and i'm like what the fuck i thought mate i was like i'll stop fucking about i thought he was jack mucking about and then we went over to him and he wasn't moving and then we went to the kitchen and got some water his wife started screaming and i got the phone out of course i got the phone out and called the ambulance i'm thinking what the fuck's happening anyway the ambulance uh was only two minutes away i ended up being the doorkeeper opening the door to three sets of ambulance people whilst they tried to and he was um he died he actually well it's sad but he passed away but um it was quite surreal and uh the next i was really traumatized i mean walking back in the flat thinking that's it my life's over you know being a selfish bastard going oh my i'm not worrying and thinking this woman's just lost her partner yeah and you know then the next day i phoned her up and she was like remorseful but not really quite upset and then she's waiting to be well she says not every woman can say they shagged their husband to death my i went what she goes on still feeling hot on my back now whoops my god shouldn't be to be said but yeah my god yeah you're laughing red off yeah my god they're mad though isn't it it was crazy so many anecdotal scenarios of funny things people getting dressed up people getting caught out people just you know like a six foot six guy and he's chatting to me he's got a full beard he's got a little mini skirt on high heels and he's going all right ron how's it going son i'm going all right sweet you know you're like how's it going be cool yeah yeah right laters turns range walking away and his ass is flattering in the wind and you're just like oh all right i'm continuously ever forsakenly getting shocked by the scene yeah there's always people coming up with something else i've never seen before i think that's really odd and are you like wicked go for it good luck i'm as long as a consensual yeah and and in what's what's radically changed i suppose is that before it was self-policing seriously self-policing if someone was out of order but because before the people that were going to were real devotees of the sea and very underground then it became much more commercialized now it's a very everything's fucking like killing kittens yeah yeah well yeah styley yeah well killing kittens isn't there's not a fetish club it's a swingers club it's purely swingers that's a whole nother genre so is it so i'm trying to get mad around this and a fetish club is it still swingers as well there are i mean a traditional when we started there was um i had two or three different clubs going at the same time i had one club submission which was strictly fetish yeah then i created a thing called cafe ensemble which was a cross between a fetish world and the swing world yeah so so they go dressed up but they can take their partners with them they can take partners with and they they just were more inclined to get up to mischief okay so you know a bit of the old as i think in out in out yeah yeah yeah yeah but feds is what they're doing in the feds well predominantly it's a dress code and it's also practicing bdsm you know so it is whips and chains and going i'm making it sound really basic but it's not it's quite a sophisticated um journey there's some various serious people that take it to the okay oh yeah yeah and what sort of thing you're seeing in there you're talking about bondage you took what the thing where there's people spinning around and wheels and wheels everything yeah what it was explain some stuff what you can visualize there's um you know you could be bent over bent over and being strapped and weak so you can be blindfolded i mean the combinations of what you could do is down to you I mean, it can go quite extreme.

23:07But it's down to the level of acceptance between two people. Yeah. Or two or three or four or five or six or even more. And do you get involved every time you throw a party? No. Or are you grafted? No, you're grafted. Okay. You've got to be eyes and ears all the time. Yeah. You know, I enjoyed my party. I enjoyed always was the after parties. I had nothing to do with just turn up and just relax. That's fun, yeah. But when you're holding a big party, I mean, at Bagley's when we were doing we're getting up to like 2 ,000 people a month right in Bagley's yeah we had I used to love Bagley's yeah yeah man I never went to one of those sex parties or yeah yeah we did Agent Provocateur's first ever fashion show with us is that right yeah we had everyone there man John Paul Gautio we had uh who's that really other big English design I mean quite a few they're all they're all there they're all they're all passed through the portals of uh seeing what's going on and then the fashion world's very inventive as well people going there be free i mean it's free the good thing about it was a club where girls could go dressed up with just a pair of hoses and feel safe and feel totally safe so i might want to go up and try and chirp so and she'll say oh no and you'll go okay darling and because everyone's trying to find the right right match yeah the right people uh obviously that some of the new people coming into the scene now they think because it's that world that anything goes and they're like well why are you here it's like well actually no yeah so there was a lot of people that have infiltrated the scene that don't actually understand the real etiquette and rituals involved in having a successful how many years how many years you've been doing this for throne parties fetish parties i did my first fetish party in 19 i did my submission first fight was 1989 yeah and so i've been going to fetish party since 1983 okay so it's a long time and what's that and still doing it now yeah i'm still i've just come back from dj and my friends run a massive club in holland called wasteland so i'll just come back from that that was good yeah yeah dj in there that's fun so when did you when did the dj really take off for you because i know you've you dj'd for prince and madonna and p diddy even even elon musk elon musk as well have you yeah um and you go out as dj rubber ron yeah yeah i've been dj and kind of i was a resident at the wag club and quite a few other clubs for a long long time and i was obviously with nikki and danny and everyone when nikki was doing um the story i was one of his residents there with mr gary dylan councillor Dylan now, our girl, Cal.

25:30Well, Gary, me, Johnny Walker. Yeah, Johnny Walker. Paul Oakenfold, Pete Tong, everyone. We were playing for Nicky at the Astoria. And Johnny Walker, what's up with Johnny Walker? You know Johnny Walker that lives in Spain now. Okay. Yeah, yeah. You still friends with him? Well, I'm not a friend with some of his ideals. Ideals, no, but that's his opinion, I suppose. but the rest of all the rest of them still still they still if we see each other it's high how's it going it's nice to see how they've progressed you know like coxie and that where they've all gone to now they've like they've done the boys have done well done good night really well what was it what so how would you explain your 20s rubber ron in his 20s well 20s kind of trying to remember it's a long time how old are you today 67 now 67 yeah it's been a long time yeah 67 67.

26:23You've certainly lived an eventful life, man. In my 20s, I was clubbing. I mean, me and my mates, we were called the princes of darkness. We were doing seven nights a week. I was a civil engineer, so I used to go clubbing, and I used to climb over the buildings into the site up to, like, five in the morning. Just to clock in. How would you explain the London club scene in the 90s for you? well um when the house the house scene started and it split into all the different genres you know the trance the this the hip-hop the well hat will i say the music cultural scene i mean it's got the house side the hip-hop side the soulful side and then the house thing just split into a fragmented so many different aspects so i was i was more always on the more soulful side of things I stayed in my lane.

27:19But in that period, I was kind of developing the attitude. I was working, I don't know what I was doing. I was DJing for a thing called D-Mob. I don't even remember if I heard of them. D-Mob were the pre-runners of the really ultra cool underground warehouse scene. In fact, I was DJing for them when they used to do some PAs. They'd go, oh, we've got this girl from New York's coming to play. I'm like, oh, fuck, you know, who's this time? because I was some bird called Madonna. I go, who the fuck's Madonna? Anyway, she'd come along. She'd played us. I said, what the fuck's that, man? What the fucking noise is that?

27:56I couldn't wait for her to get off. I said, she can't sing. She's out of tune, out of pitch, out of key and everything. Then years later, but I'm respectful to her. I mean, what I loved about her that she adopted whatever subculture that was buzzing. she took that music and made it popular yeah whatever style that was in you know whether it's vogue where all these different things she was very clever of being on the pulse of contemporary music and making that contemporary music commercial music she was very very good yeah probably the best one of the best definitely definitely so so going through your world then so in the 90s you were going in the uh the rave scene the party scene the club scene when was it when DJ you go you know I need I need DJing in my life when was that I think when I was 14 always always had a record massive record collection always I've just progressed started playing at places I can't even remember how I was I was I was resident of the wag club for many years yeah and explain the wag club to the listener so the wag club was created by a guy uh Chris Sullivan and he was in a band called Animal Nightlife oh no Animal Nightlife Jesus Blue Rhonda Animal Nightlife was our friends band and he was from Wales he came down and he had a rich history of music and he was going to all the early soul clubs and funk clubs in the 70s and the 80s and in 1983 I think he created the Wag Club which was on the site of the Whiskey A Go Go which is?

29:30In Soho and Wardle. You're right in the mix and that was really aimed at the fashion conscious really cool guys and girls of london yeah yeah yeah they they wouldn't let suits in and people like that it was very much people going there knew their music yeah yeah they really understood their music is there any other clubs that really stand out to you around the world that you've played or been at one of the most influential clubs for me i was a when i was a recording artist and i ended up an interesting story i I blagged the record deal with Virgin. We blagged a£450 ,000 record deal. £450 ,000?

30:07Yeah. Go on. 1985. Go on. So. I thought you were saying like a£40 ,000 deal, not£450 ,000. Back in 85. Yeah. So we used to go to the Beat Roo Club, which was the home of the alternative scene. That was the whole, you know. And where was that? That was on Greek Street, Soho. And that was the New Romantics. so after the punk thing kind of changed there was that hard look time when everyone's wearing ripped jeans and everything and the beat root had a combination of people in zoot suits to people in ripped jeans and blah blah blah and a really great dj a friend of mine called steve lewis who was also managing a band called animal nightlife and he was signed a record label called inner vision records in vision records run by a guy called mark dean and he inner vision was part of cbs records he'd been given a label because he'd found some really big artists and put onto this small independent label and but he i think he got a bit cocky and steve was getting pissed off because he wasn't giving him a lot of attention anyway steve had his office in their office and he was playing some uh cut up hip-hop with stevie wonder and the guy walked past the room and he goes fucking who's that he goes oh it's black britain he goes who are they he goes oh the black branch of black geysers from east london and i'm the only white person they speak to and the guy went oh that's fascinating oh that could be the next trend bring them in bring them in so i was at the time a site engineer working down in hampson on a building project so my donkey jacket on my white shirt tie afro i've gone in as in spokeley from one of the black panther movement and we had a meeting with this record company guys so i brought my mate gary baker our gary the musical genius so me and him have turned up obviously we didn't we didn't speak to the record company guy we'd whisper in steve's ears going bollocks bollocks bollocks then steve would speak to speak to the record company but anyway we did it for about 35 40 minutes and we left and then steve went you won't go fucking believe this i was like what he goes he thought you're really charismatic i said didn't say fuck all anyway within a week every record company in london wanted to know who the fuck black britain was so i turned around i was like listen fuck it we might as well form a band so by genius we went away three and a half months later we were playing in the wag club and we had those five of us in the band three black guys and two white guys we had the white guys you couldn't see them because they were white yeah yeah and we ended up getting a 450 000 pound record deal and then we ended up going to new york new york so that was 1985 so And whilst I was in New York now, I went and got really influenced in terms of clubbing.

32:48There was a club called, well, there was a club called The World, Save the Robot, Aria, endless amazing clubs, especially Aria was a club totally theatrical. You walked in there and they transformed the club every month, every two months, six weeks, a week. We were at one time went there and it was all done out like fairy tales. They had a hunky-dumpty sat on the wall and he fell on the floor and then he printed pieces and it all went back together and he climbed up on the wall and had a dragon in a pit. I mean, real theatre. Proper innovation back then, isn't it? Yeah, real, real theatre. So that club influenced me when I started Submission Now because we ended up having a props company as well that I put every...

33:26I said, every time we do the club when we were in Bagley's, we never wanted it to look the same ever. So every time you came to that club, it was a complete themed space. And did you own all that gear? Yeah, yeah. We had a props company. You did? Yeah, props and city. So every time you were going to phone a party, you were making sure it was the best? Yeah. I used to go down to Pinewood Film Studios and get all the props and scenery pieces from there. And I used to do other people's clubs as well at that time. So we were doing quite a few clubs. We did a lot of stuff for Steve from Twice as Nice.

33:55Okay. We used to do all the deco for him. Yeah. All the years for a long time. Where else has DJ taken you? Over the past 40 years. He's taken me all over the world, actually. Yeah. Tell me some places. God, well, it'd be fun. Yeah. see that we're going to that in a moment germany italy i did a lot of work in italy playing in in pulia down in the south which was phenomenal that was really good and then obviously working in the studios with various artists uh when we were in the band we played supported paul weller when he went in the jam we did i did wembley and i went out remember i always wanted to go hello london hello london well joey and then we did um and supported peel which was brilliant and john lydon was a maestro and then lucky for us our relationship with most support bands and main bands is like them and us but we knew all the guys in there in his main band and so they they we were it was a real amazing tour we had some funny times getting nicked and everything what for funny story so we were all we was playing inst austo actually down the road yeah and we were staying in a motel and we got on we were all in the room and the tour manager will and the boys are smoking the joints and everything and the we said i'll go to go to reception and get get the guy to bring him some drinks anyway so the boys are coming back and they come back with a box of biscuits i went where the fuck did you get that from he goes oh fucking we chored it from the fucking night.

35:28I went, you cunts, what are you doing that for? And the guy was really nice. He'd come in, it was like, hello boy, and then he just stopped and he just looked down and I went, but my mates didn't tell me until after he'd gone. I goes, why has that guy got the ump? He goes, oh, we nicked his biscuits. Oh, you idiots. Anyway, fucking we halfway to bed. Next minute, at the middle of the night, we got ready. I'm about four years old. And he nicked all the band and the funny thing, you know, the guys were all called nicked for the white guys in the band and the black guys who'd come down to breakfast.

35:59and our band including the tour manager had been captured so we ended up playing they got that out and they come on on the tour I mean we we held our own with that band yeah tell me the places you went on tour with the band we went we did the tour of Europe yeah that was great yeah we visited every whorehouse

36:24no I didn't no I didn't honest we called it the Harry Monk tour yeah so is it what it's called that's what it's called quality what place did you do then on tour who was your manager at the time my manager is a guy called Julian Bentley who's got his own law firm now Julian I'm not going to grass you up mate so he organised the whole tour and you went what what happened was we were good friends with Spandau and really good friends with Animal Night Live Spandau Ballet yeah so all these kind of bands we were influenced by them yeah and one thing they all had they all had young cool managers yes so we sourced out our friend julian and he hadn't done management before but he had a different approach to everything so the the greatest tour i think was the one when we went to a v4 yeah so that that was the first time that was 87 we went there with our band and another band called midnight and it was a guy called gabby reedsdale who's now in bush and sasha puttman uh they were in this band called midnight so it was our band and their band and our first gig was at coup was it yeah then privilege and now universe yeah now universe which i've been obviously i was there last week yeah i was there i was there last week yeah cox on the sunday ah yeah yeah yeah i'm clubbing it yeah unbelievable well if you're if you're under 30 it's fantastic but in my age I'm like, what the hell?

37:48It was£84 million they spent on it. Jesus. It holds 10 ,000 people. What? And it's a proper upraiser. I went there thinking, oh, it's 10 ,000 people. This is going to be way too big for me. It was fantastic. Yeah, it is. All air conned. They ticked every box, if you like that sort of thing. You know, midnight till 6 a.m. Definitely. Definitely good. So our journey there. So the maddest thing was with that. Coup Club was blinding, by the way. Yeah, Coup had half a roof. Yes. this so when i first went there this before privilege yeah it had half a roof it's very kind of esoteric the really flamboyant weird stuff going on yeah and they gave us our own bar which is a coca loco bar yeah and um they came out giving us goodies right and drinks and we they said we've got this drink for we said what's in it and they said x and we're like you can't take excellent night club we're all like because we'd been taking that from the mid 80s yeah but there was no correlation between that world and club music it was about going around someone's house as a group stroking each other talking about world peace and being a hippie and listening to terry riley and all this and then so we're in this we're in there there's about it was organized by um rusty egan rusty yeah rusty i want to get him on yeah yeah get rusty So Rusty organized our bands to come out there and with another girl called Gabriella that we used to run a model agency called Take Two.

39:15So it was like 150 of London's movers and shakers and bands and everything. And we were there and they had this drink and we're like, and they went, no, no, take this, go on to the dance floor. We're like, what? Go on to the, listen to the house music. And then we went, that was it. That was the first, I feel, I believe it was the first time that a group of English people en masse got indulged in that particular genre. And you were the early take-up. What did you say, 80? 87. I think the week after that, Danny and Nicky and all the rest. Danny. Ramblin. Ramblin. Okay. I was with Danny last week.

39:53Were you? Yeah. Yeah, at Tannit. I was at Tannit on the beach. Yeah, mate. He's coming on next week, in fact. Oh, is he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a good lad. Yeah, he's a good boy. He DJed for us. I mean, most of them have DJed for submission at some point. I'm sure he'll have some stories to tell you about that. Tell me about what you loved about Ibiza in the late 80s and what you've seen over the last four years. I've got such mixed emotions because it's still got that energy. It's still beautiful. That island is, I call it Devil's Island in one way because it's got this energy, which is so powerful, that if you go down the dark side, it takes you down the dark side.

40:30Then it spits you out. If you go down the spiritual side and you're pure, but it can corrupt you it can corrupt you and what i've noticed now that the the factor that's the main thing before there was always wealthy people there but they were in the back yeah they weren't at the forefront yeah and the clubs are based on people on the floor not based on people on the table okay so the table was there but it wasn't a big thing right and it was a small minority of people wanted to be on the tables and everyone else if you think of the the class of say from the class of 19 mid 80s to the 90s so the class of 96 97 98 yeah those people they're still friends of each other to this day you if you find most people that are you'll find that they were so into their music so into being in a beef for going all the different clubs at different times you know being in space uh eight in the morning having a cup of tea and a croissant on a sunday on a sunday yeah yeah yeah and then going all the way through and then going to dc10 yeah so that scares me even thinking about we used to go dc10 yeah yeah so it's become it has become so expensive very right and i mean i was there last saturday and i last wednesday we were looking around it was wednesday afternoon evening i said this island this week of july should be mobbed and it's not.

41:56And I just thought it's really changed. That means the different levels of, the upper levels have increased. Yes. But the lower levels, which is the engine, the driver, it's gone. Or it's going. And going. So there are places that are busy and the other places are not busy at all. They're really suffering because it's just so expensive. People can only go there two or three days a week when people used to go for a week. Five, yeah. I mean, God, we, you know, the villas are like. Crazy money. Really tickets. Crazy money. Yeah. Really through the roof. Yeah. Some villas are like 20, 30 grand a week and stuff.

42:30Where is that? Come from 50 grand. 50. Wild. No, no. That's nothing. Yeah. There's villas there going at 150. 100. Yeah, yeah. 200. But I'm saying if you're a normal bod. No, normal bod. Normal bod, no. You're looking at 20. You ain't going to be a full. Don't you? You ain't going to be a full of ton. Ton, 50 for a week. Those villas that used to be 3 ,000 pounds for a week. Yeah. Five years ago. Yeah. and they're literally 15 000 20 000 pounds a week yeah madness isn't it yeah but you know have you noticed a lot less people on the island yeah well i've got friends that have been they've been living there working there and there is a definite downtrend on mass but what seems to have happened there's a hell of a lot of americans on the island i don't know if you notice that a lot more than normal than normal and there's a lot of other people from all over the world going there or Anyone that's got money seems to want to go to that island.

43:18Yeah, reputation. Yeah, to get like... And it's the most beautiful girls in the world on that island. Oh, God, yeah. Wild. Wild, right? Like, you'd have 20 different nationalities. It's phenomenal. Yeah. I don't think there's a better island for good-looking people. No, not at all. And it's still got that energy, which is unique. But, I mean, you can still have a good time. But, I mean, I think the demise is when Bora Bora went, which was like a free space. Yeah. But you could still buy at the bar, but you could go to, you know, the supermarket. At the road door, yeah. Go onto that beach. Yeah, and have it.

43:50And have it. And then at the same time. That's gone. That's gone. I mean, we had lunch in there. I mean, it's beautiful, but it's like the whole of that beach. But do you think it's like us lot going, oh, when we were there in the early 90s and we've been going for the last 30 odd years, it's changed. Is that just been like what our parents would say about stuff, going, oh, it wasn't as good as my day. Well. Like, I don't want ever to be one of those people. Because I think the island's magical. It really is. But if you're going into Persia and that main whole floor is all tables, you're losing the vibe completely.

44:22100%. Like, I'm going there, and I cringe when I see everyone on tables. Why are you waiting on a table having shamp main and vodkery? Can we dance in there? A few years ago, I went into a campaign called Burn the Rope. I really wanted to do it. Oh, you wanted to do the campaign? I wanted to do Burn the Rope. Is that what it was called? I wanted to do Burn the Rope because I just thought, you know, before, you didn't need a rope because someone would just not go on someone's table they wouldn't they wouldn't they'd be manners not to go and sit down in someone's seat you know but now they polarize it so much you've got to be i mean my mates are camera fat so we went been seeing them play now you've got all these different wristbands to go this bit that bit scanners it's a whole industry of control completely control wherever you go but is that squeezing the middle class and the lower class out oh yeah 100 it is it is so where where before if you was in a group and you went to a beefy you could go for like five clubs now you have to pick your clubs you think well can't afford that one can't afford that one you know on the streets down in Ibiza town where people are flogging tickets I think there was 15 clubs on the list 70 euros 100 euros 90 euros you were talking like 50 quid 70 quid 90 quid to get into a club just to get into a club and then 20 quid and then 20 quid when I went to Universal there was 18 quid for a bottle of beer I think it was 40 euros for a vodka coke 36 pounds a pint that's what i mean madness madness yeah madness yeah tell me about tell me about some of the djs you work with in camel fat and and well i played for camel fat well when they did an event in the beef and funnily enough but i've worked with most of the other djs over the years i've worked with nearly all of them go on in some you know i've played with carl i played with danny played with okie i played with all the old guards yeah i've played and been around them at some point during my journey of being involved but but obviously the club side of it was the submission side i really got concentrated into that world i got really honed in i got i was in then i got fetish fatigue and i got pulled out then i kind of dipped in and dipped up fetish fatigue what you just had enough you know i've had how many years how many years did it take you to get fetish fatigue do you think about 15 years okay 15 years were you like i'm done with it or did you see did you see the business model change or to the point where it's just it's it's quite intense because it's very personal it's most in that world it's so super personal for the people every individual it says really particular little journey and they want things to be correct and it has to be correct and you have to be mindful when you're putting on a space that you put all the correct elements in there yeah so and that takes a bit of a bit of work and so sometimes it's going you know what i just want to step back so i'll just jump out and i'll go back into the mainstream world yeah okay get normal and then get it you've got it again and come back in again good way of doing it to be fair yeah so when you when you when you as a business model submission was it earning a good pound note for you it was it was doing really well it was was it was a weekly a month it was monthly so we had we had one big one on a month and then we had the cafe ensemble thing in between that and what's the difference that was that the size one was much smaller okay Much more condensed, much more, let's say, playful.

47:35Okay. Give me an example. Well, we had a great place in King's Cross, which has loads of different booths, and we'd put paper over the window. So you go in, there's like 10 different booths, and you could get like eight or nine people in a booth, and basically everything was to go in those booths. Yeah. When you're working, have you ever dipped in and go, I'm not working. I'll pretend I'm not working. I'll get involved. No, no, you're dipping down again. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Finally dipping in. I ended up having a TV series on Sky. It's called Kinky World Rubber On. So... What for? Hold on a minute.

48:11It was called Kinky World Rubber On. Kinky World Rubber On, yeah. It was on Sky for about five years. Okay. And that was a brilliant job. All I had to do was get a girl to come around my flat and film them and put it up on the Sky TV. give me give me example you'd get you'd pay girls to come out or they would just come out no no i pay girls pay girls go around and they do what you know play have fun have fun with each other and it'd be filmed yeah and then i had to edit it to make sure because in those days it was so strict and we'd have two versions one version was like a fucking soft side yeah i was like the mad side yeah but one time we put the mad side on by accident we got 130 000 pounds are you joking yeah yeah offcom was on yeah terrible oh god terrible so how did that how did that come about then well where did the name come about where did the name come about obviously you got Robert Ron in there the first part of it the kinky world because I'd obviously built up this reputation of putting on all these parties and there was a friend of mine that was working for a production company that was making these films he goes oh Ron if you've got content we'll take it off you I thought I was making kind of content for fun anyway and I thought oh right and I said the girls do you want to be involved i put it out then then after that i decided to open up a porn company yeah it's called precious you know what year what were you were talking here that's 2005 okay yeah what made you flip into that is that when it was because we expended from doing this kinky world rubber run and then the guys i was working with was a dutch guy swedish guy sorry But Danish guy, he said, why don't we start making some movies?

49:49And I went, right. So we started a production company, started making movies. I used to make the fake, fake spunk up and everything. It was hilarious. Real turkey base.

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50:38Your boy's pulling wood and then you'll decide. It's the money shop.

50:47so all so all of this all of this one was all fun yeah it was everything you've done it just seems like no i've never done anything it wasn't no no no and then so when in 2005 was that when dvds or vhs yeah well that was the transformation that was the transformation from vhs to dvd to dvd uh and the that transformation also the industry in the uk got hit by the likes of Pornhub and all these other companies that decimated. Yeah, decimated. Because what they cleverly did, they got the ability for you to take your films and put it up onto their platforms. Yes. And don't have to pay for it. So all the small independent companies in the UK got killed off.

51:25So there must have been a good period where you're earning good money then. Yeah, I mean, we... How much are you talking for DVD and stuff? What was the business model for you? Well, we created the content created content and then we'd license the content out to other independent companies that's what we were doing okay yeah and they would pay you and then they'd pay us a fee on how many volumes that were sold okay right and globally and around yeah do you get all the dvds knocked up for you yeah we're knocked on my and then they send us from and they give you a cut of everything they sold how do you know what they were well this is a bit yeah i mean it was uh it wasn't exactly precise let's just say and and unfortunately at the moment we were getting into that that that's when the Pornhubs and these other blew up blew up and then at that point we went you know what we can't compete with this okay along with a lot of other companies at that point they all we all decided so you know this is not going to work yeah so we stuck back but we had great fun in making the film oh dear it was hilarious did you ever come a star in it only once did you put it out no I went I wasn't I went on it was really mad I went to do a shoot in Prague funnily enough that was fucking mad so I went there as an art director and it's and we were filming in one of the mafia guys houses in Prague and he had this amazing villa with an it's all white marble and kidney shaped swimming pool white grand piano and all this madness going on you know water beds mirrored I mean the whole the whole lot a lot and they gave us we had our own personal bodyguard and the guys walking around This guy was a bit weird because he had a whole fucking Nazi regalia.

53:04I'm like, black man. Writing a note, mummy. If you don't see me. See me, I love you. So he gave us our own personal bodyguard who was walking around with a Luger gun strapped to his side. Like, this is fucking surreal, Dredd. But I went there as an art director and we got involved. It was just one of them scenes where it was that funny. I just thought I'd fling out the wood.

53:33see what happens see where it takes me

53:40so yeah it was eventful but god i can't remember did that yeah yeah were you nervous when you put that one out no i mean i don't care see what happens no i've never been nervous about anything like that no i've been blessed that my parents are told right from an early age i said that was when I started the submission, I said, right, my mum and dad are really straight-laced. Okay. Dad's gone now, but mum... From where originally? They're from Jamaica. Okay. So I said to him, look, you might hear some things about me, but you brought me up to a certain way and you know that whatever or whoever comes to my things is consensual.

54:18Yeah. Yeah. I said, that's it. And that was the end of it and we never spoke again. But there were times where I'd go to a family union and we, I remember we got done, Kilroy Silk, remember him? He did a big interview of me and my ex on a tv show and and uh i was i remember saying i like my girlfriend in red high heels and my aunt come up to me my girlfriend had her heels and i completely forgot i see she's got the heels under i thought oh yeah she's seen it then so um it's fascinating uh being like a black guy being in that world yeah it's very different very very different so because i just I said, you know, I want to knock down the barriers, knock down the cliches and just go, right, this is what I do.

55:02Yeah. And I'm quite content. And obviously when we had the band, the band was very political. Okay. And we used to have, you know, do gigs and we'd have to jump into the audience and have a little, let them know that we're not a bunch of pussies. Right, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. We had to do that. Give me an example of that. And we went to Scarborough and we had loads of skinheads in the front. And the name of the band was Black Britain. Black Britain, okay. Yeah. So we had tracks like Ain't No Rock in the Police. We very much are influenced by Malcolm X and, and we were going to do some stuff with a public enemy, Hank Shockley.

55:33So even though I had one foot in that, I've had foots in different realms, but I've been, you know, I'm quite an advocate and all those things. I'm very aware of what's going on. Yeah. I'm a true centralist though, because I, I see us that we're all being manipulated one way or another. Really. You know, I think it's just that they want to build up the fear. Yeah. Fear is the thing that drives everyone into fucking chaos. Yeah. So, and as long as they've got you in fear, they've got control. They've got control, yeah. That's it. But they ain't. If you're in the middle, they hate it. They can't stand it with you and you're not tricked by.

56:03Are you full on in the middle? A hundred percent. I won't fucking deviate off the middle at all. I was more to the left at one time, as you could be from that world. Why? Because the left seemed to be more considerate and the left seemed to cater more for people's that considered what the working class i'm a working class guy so for me i kind of understood it but now it's it's so mixed up there's people in all these different political parties are all over the place people that weren't friends yeah in this one are over there or all that and then people now getting triggered because the the the instantation uh the in the the ease of which you got access to information now and instant gratification gratification and the old two seconds it's a span that you can watch someone on your phone yeah so that's what we've we of a certain age we've got a beauty of knowing a time when it was low phone when it wasn't anything where it was just communicating with each other and then if you said your mate see outside the seven o 'clock outside the abc yeah you don't know what he's wearing what he's going to come as you're just looking forward to seeing him but I agree yeah it'll be lovely to get that back I don't think it'll ever come back I don't think it will I was at the gig at Garza the Garza gig on Sunday playing with quite a few of that Paul Weller and there's loads and loads of musicians and artists and I looked in that crowd and they were all still holding it up they were all still wearing and dressed up they're 40 years on but they're still holding their style and I just thought is there going to be a generation that are going to hold their style in 20 years from there and will they still have that camaraderie well they still say hello to each other know each other after 10 25 years i don't know i can't see it oh yeah it's really because everyone's heads in their phones yeah heads in the phones there's a friend of mine who's been working in the youth sector for like 30 40 years he goes run you do understand what's happening i go look they're the borg these young kids are the borg they're what borg you know star trek where everyone's assimilated to the same thing yeah and they all move together act together think together but like you just said there's no youth centers anymore.

58:07It's getting closed down. So where are the kids going? What are they doing? I don't know. I mean, I think that's one thing that should be brought back into, into society. I agree. 100%. Go back there. I want to go back to where you were a minute ago when you jumped into the crowd, have a tear up. Cause I know you, I know you're, listen, you're, you're a lovely human being. You're jumping into everything. You're driven for a laugh. But if someone pushes you too far, you can go the other way. Oh yeah. Give me an example of you flipping on. I flip there. Yeah. Cause they basically, they, I was a lead vocalist and they were, I had a girl singer and these skinned guys were like having a go at her, calling her names and everything.

58:43And I just said, you think we're a bunch of whatever. And I said, right, come on. And we just jumped off into the crowd. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can hold our own if we have to. Well, I tend not to be like that, but I'd rather talk my way of anything than get into that. because it's the moment of madness could end you in a position where you think what the fuck why'd i do that why'd i do that even a month down later down the line or three months or even a year or these days on the internet you can see yeah you've got to defend your honor you've got to defend yourself out of respect out of respect also defend yourself to the point where sometimes it's best to back off because live to fight another day than just like years ago i wouldn't have just jumped in there but now i'm like yeah you know tell me about p diddy well i only dj i did i dj'd for him i dj'd for madonna dj for this is the one that was um what's his name uh what's that guy's name he was in pirates of prince no i did it for prince twice where were you dj for prince at camden palace yeah and i dj for prince at a private studio in olaf street in notting hill okay that was funny it was me my good thing there was i was in the toilet to george clinton having a spliff because george clinton and he goes george goes you know that the man doesn't like this kind of thing i'm wearing him like yeah let's sort of go out there yeah so it was in parts of the caribbean johnny donny depp for him as well yeah yeah for madonna prince quite a few of those yeah um because i do um i think a lot of people invite me to because i've got a level of discretion even though i'm saying it all out here now but um on my watch within the clubs i never let out anyone's names who's actually just keep you stem on everything yeah everything so i always used to say if the news as well when we did one article what was quite pleasant article in there but other than that they've never come for me because i they know a i'd rather go go inside than grass like people that come my events i wouldn't do that yeah so it's for me that's really but people's security is to come is to be honored because they're coming into a space where they can be totally free totally free non-judgmental being in that space do what they want within within the realms realms yeah yeah how did you get the gig for something like prince and what was it what was it like playing with friends i got the first gig was uh the friend of mine who's was dj it was a dj his girlfriend was going out with a manager of prince and somehow he said oh you know prince i said do you think we could get a gig and he went you know what let's ask and that was it and the next thing we're playing there and then the and because we played that gig we got asked to do the second gig then then i was in the studios with prince because we're our band was in the townhouse studios which is in uxford was in uxford road prince was there in tears of fears and when we were like we were in the dressing in the green room watching mtv with prince the small person yeah and i was just going this is fucking mad anyway the maddest thing was they had all these top musicians there and they were just all in always in the in the in the green room and i said this keyboard before his name of one of the best keyboard players in america and he goes that motherfucker's brought me all away from he goes i haven't done a thing i've been here two weeks i goes what what he goes all that fucker does is when he's done his piece on the keyboards he gets me in the studio he goes what do you think that's it and he had every all he did was had referenced the best musicians drums the whole thing all he had them there was for reference nothing else they didn't play a note on any of his tracks he was there when he's doing the black album which was like you know that's so yeah he was a genius was there any any musicians you're massively in awe of he was one of them he was okay he played like 18 instruments 18 instruments yeah so for the first time god first time i knew about princes we was going to lacy lady and the dj there was tom holland and he stopped the music and he went he put this track goes this young man he's 18 years of age he's playing every single instrument on this track and he put it on it so i want to be a lover i don't know if you don't remember that track yeah so um i was in awe of him what was his name the dj was tom holland no who's the one that played 18 instruments prince i was prince played 18 instruments wow yeah did not know that yeah it's either 18 or 14 instruments, yeah.

1:03:26And I mean, on part of it, properly played, yeah. When did Prince pass? Do you know? That's about four or five years ago. Is it? Ollie, do you mind taking a look and see where Prince passed away? I'm intrigued.

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1:04:22what about let's go back to ibiza do you know vaughn on the island of course yeah we had vaughn i went and did a we did a 10 part series out in ibiza and vaughn i saw vaughn i've seen that yeah you watched it yeah yeah yeah it's a hundred percent correct i can't and in fact what's the saddest thing is that all what i call the veterans which i feel i'm one of them there's no respect for that for those people on that island there at all the whole you know and i make it's gone it is yeah and he's correct what he says so when you watched it you're like yeah you're bang on you're bang on because there's a lot of people going he seems bitter but actually when he was talking talking to me i was like mate you sound like he's being honest and factual he's being very factual he's not being bitter at all i mean he's done everything on that island yeah obviously i we worked with manumission it's funny because we when manumission first started i um my we took submission with mike and um mike and claire yeah so when the year they started was the year that mr paul dennis hello mate he took us to viva and we did submission there and we did a sex show on the stage on manumission no before manumission before okay and uh we did show and it was we got it orchestrated with by brasilia who was the guy that did uh latroia he was a guy that created latroia and he was a real flamboyant guy and he was the main kind of art director at coup and uh so he we put this massive show on together and then afterwards i think mike and andy actually saw the show because before that i think andy mike's brother yeah yeah surname andy okay yeah so i met and after we did the show i i think we met at St.

1:06:09Trinshire and we sat down and they were going, why don't we do submission and manumission? I was going, who the fuck's manumission? I declined and then they went to New York, came back with all the girls, all the sex workers and the rest is history. Unbelievable. Just explain to people who have not heard of manumission what it was on stage. Wow. Where do you start? I think, let's say it was very expressive. Mike and his partner, they used to literally have sex on stage in front of like nine eight nine thousand people that was a highlight on a monday better on a monday yeah that was the the the bit them two shagging in front of everyone but but it was uh if you look at the whole script of what they did it each show was like a small theatrical experience it was all it was very worked out very it wasn't seedy or anything it was like 18 to 30 year old kids packed out the place this couple on stage yeah Yeah.

1:07:07Yeah. Yeah. And very, very clever what they did. The artwork was amazing. The people on board was amazing. The whole thing. And of course, they got the motel. I don't know if you ever went to the motel. No, I didn't. Jesus Christ, that was fun. I've heard. Yeah. What was the name of it? It was called Manumission Motel. Right, okay, yeah. It used to be a whorehouse before that. Funny that. Apple falling from the tree and all that. Where is that? Where is, because they know Aaron Pikes, don't they? Well, Andy owns Pikes. Yeah. Yeah. With his wife? Yeah, no. No. With his partner, no. No. No, funny enough, I just saw Dawn.

1:07:46Yeah, Dawn Hindle. She's lovely. Yeah, she's great. I just saw her last Sunday. Yeah. She got us on the, put me on the list at Pikes on Saturday. Oh, right. I'll tell you what, Pikes was amazing. You enjoyed it? I really like it in there. It's the Inglésia. It's like the cool Inglésia. It's the cool. Cool Inglésia. Yeah, really good. Yeah. Nice vibes. I think it's over 27s. 27s, yeah. Yeah, and on the front, it's got no cameras, a list of things. It goes, no cameras, no, no, at the bottom, no cameras.

1:08:16Yeah, I mean, it's good. Me and my good friend, we go there for Halloween every year, which is really, really good. Oh, that's making me mad, the October one. Yeah, it's good. Is that just at the end of the season, like mid-October? Just at the end of the season. Yeah, okay. It's going in October, like 28th of October. Yeah, okay. Yeah, Halloween, yeah. And what's that? Everyone left on the island kind of goes there. Flying in. People flying in. fly fly back i mean before a really good friend of mine who owned was still on van buddha he used to do the really crazy yeah parties back in the day in uh van buddha but that i think the authority stopped him from doing parties there so yeah i thought they clamped down i thought it was really clamping down aren't they oh they are absolutely everything yeah i've never known such an oratorian places where abeford's turned into from the guardian seville to the council council council everything everything before was our man young and now it's no longer man young that's why i think vaughn so like when you when i chat with him he's so passionate about the island he's like where was the love gone where's the nice vibe gone there is but that where is the love gone globally it's not just the it's the island it's just a representation of what's going on around the world right and before there was this space on that island where people you know if you look at the history of Ibiza, it's always been a party place.

1:09:30Even the Romans used it as a party place. It's always been a history of being a very liberal, open-minded space. To the point of fact, when Franco was in power, he left Ibiza alone. So Ibiza grew with all these eccentrics, writers, songwriters, poets, artists, everyone came there after the war in the 50s and 60s. And it was just this sleepy weird where all the freaks went yeah and then and obviously it's all the all the disenfranchised rich freaks that didn't want to go sandra pay they got thrown out their families have been party freak they just went with beef you didn't even know they were well i mean when i used to go in the early days you then got going to a villa party you thought the guy was a groundsman at his house you didn't ever dream it there was nothing look at me it was like enjoy my hospitality and have a good time yeah so that's what's missing that's missing that the the levels where people have got that amount of money but they're giving the love back to people because they just want to see people people have a nice time yeah i don't know how it's good where it's going now because there's a new generation of people on there that's all about the wealth and the show and the show yeah look at me and i haven't got a clue about the music at all they're just going because it's popular yeah popular underground but it's not very few of them even got any of their music I'll tell you where I went last week it was about 528 I also like Cova Centre beautiful have you been in the club down below no you've been into the caves at Cova Centre the caves so we were there Cova Centre a few years back all raised up it felt like the closest thing to space back in the game and I think it closed at 11 and then they open up a big club there.

1:11:15Is there a cave underneath that? Underneath that. Is there? There's pirates caves. It is phenomenal. Did not know that. I'll show you on my phone. Mate, I'd love to see. Phenomenal. So would they open it up for the public? Kind of. It's one of those things. If you know it's there and the gate's open, you can walk down. Just look down and have a look. Yeah, and have a look. They used to use your storage for wines and everything, but it's phenomenal down there. Right. Yeah, really cool. Yeah, you can imagine some kind of weird religious cult going on there. No one would know I've been sacrificing.

1:11:46Our very good friend, Tony Truman. Brother Tony. Yeah. He's a good, he's done so well. He's like exceptionally well. Exceptionally well. The owner of Obeach, everything that he's built all around the island with his partners. Do you know what I love about him? He gets everyone involved. He's not like, this is all mine. No, no, no. No, as I say, Tony's spreading the love. Spreading the love. Spreading the love. Yeah, I agree. you know you spread that love it'll come come back to you 100 and he's done that beautifully i know you i admire what he's done really has from an idea of a massive car park i think he was in his 40s yeah where he hadn't really taken off off like for a pound note wise all of a sudden he's got this now for the last 14 15 years clearing up fantastic yeah and it's a day party where it starts at midday and finishes at midnight or 11 or a little bit longer but and what I love about it it's all about the experience all about that wonderful so much going on it's not about the headline DJ no no not at all what he's cleverly done he's got the essence of having dropping theatre into the space because when he has all those aerial stuff going on and I'll never forget seeing the girl on that the bamboo flipping back I've been thinking fuck he's dead hold on hold on tight yeah yeah he's done really well yeah really well and also interesting he's taking the old beach brand now to dubai i've seen i've been i went to dubai did you go i visit it wasn't open when i went there but i saw tony out in dubai and uh went into the club and then look yeah i'm looking forward to getting what he's been on he's coming back long so i want to talk about like we can all talk about all the lovely things in like oh yeah we smashed this you smashed it actually chatting on the phone he was like mate you don't realize what i've been through to get this dubai thing to where it is today right i'm really intrigued to hear that journey he's been on oh god yeah you know it's not it's not going to be easy to go it's not at all i've got i've got some quite a few friends that live out there it's just not my space i can't can't deal with it that way in in terms of what what i believe in in my philosophy especially being kind of coming from that alternative lifestyle genre i know you couldn't be out there and do that yeah i mean i'm not saying it's legal what we do everything in the uk but you're not going to be frowned upon yeah it's frowned upon but you're not going to go to prison whereas if you do get up to what you people do in the uk with that over there yeah unless so and then same thing again if you're super rich you can get away with it yeah but if you're the average guy listen you're you're away look at that poor kid and that girl yeah it's just it's when he got i don't know he five yeah he was he he had sex with a girl and she was underage and then the mum come back and russed him up yeah she made sure that her daughter was out the country and then she russed him up and he was still on holiday and then he got next and he's now I think got banged up for a year or something oh my god yeah in that heat in Dubai Dubai not knowing when you're going to be letting us sob that night no no no you weird I've been here all sorts of stuff over there could you live on the island live in Dubai no no no no no that works enough for me no a day's enough for me yeah okay I don't like it there but I've got friends that have been living there for years and years and years it's just not me yeah I've got a lot of friends moving to Dubai I've moved to Dubai a lot of friends going to South Africa Or Cape Town or Portugal.

1:15:02I'm sticking here. No, I'm sticking here. I'm sticking here. Bye. And people are like, Dodge, move your businesses. Move your business out to us because you don't pay tax. Why? I don't want to be 90 days there. I like England. Yeah. I like England. As long as you can fly here and everywhere where you want to get back to your homeland. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. What was your 60th party like with Truman?

1:15:31well that was uh let's just say i i've got a very colorful group of female friends and i've got one lot that i got enhanced yeah and i've got another lot that weren't in our so we had two beds one with enhanced bed and one with that and then we had we just had lots of mad things going on totally his mom thought that some young lady was someone was not well and she had her head in my I liked them. I was eating my meal and Tony's mum said, oh my God, is that Kelton? No.

1:16:05We've had some laughs. We've had some laughs there. Truman's mum's played a big part in him. And you know what I love about him? He's always showed his mum off, proud of his mum. That to me, mate, is beautiful. Yeah. Because we are our parents. We are. We are. I'm blessed to have wicked parents who are clueless and lovely and kind. But you are your parents. And for him to promote his mum, saying, I wouldn't be here where I am today without a beautiful mum, giving me the gift of being kind and being nice and humble and all the stuff that goes with it. It's lovely. 100%. Yeah, she's a great woman.

1:16:40What's your world these days, Ron? These days, I've got... Interesting, actually. I've created this protocol called the Hyperbiography. And what I'm trying to do is recreate This Is Your Life, but as a as a uh an entity where all the elements are combined and we take people on the journey we take someone's individual life and we walk them through stages for decades so it's like a being on like a train basically train carriage and each carriage represents a next decade and you walk through and each each one is totally authentic yeah of what's going on so when you In that person's life, in that moment.

1:17:21So like for you, I'd go, right, 70s, 80s, 90s, noughties, 10s, 20s. Yeah, so the whole fashion thing, what was going on, the music you loved, the music you hated. Quality. So it's very personalised. It's a boutique experience of people. So that's what I'm working on at the moment. And how would you express that? How are you doing it on a podcast? No, no. It's going to be a physical thing. Well, there's actually going to be a space. It's an actual space that you walk through. So you're walking. So I'm trying to visualise this. You come through and you take it to you, for instance. Okay. And you go 80s.

1:17:51And you do say 80s. Yeah. And you say, well, up would be the TV stuff of what we were watching. Yeah. Some of our doors going around giving you 80s. What did you have when you was at school? We had my stand kit on and you had this on. Oh, a whole personal journey. What smells. Wonderful. What you used to wear. What the girls used to wear. What the boys. So at the moment you smell those smells, you know what it's like. Memory comes straight back, doesn't it? Come back to you, yeah. Mate, that's magical. Yeah. How are you physically doing that? Are you creating a space for people to enter? It's a space for people physically to enter.

1:18:25But the big thing that I'm involved with is a company that did the Tupac and Snoop Dogg holograph shit. I'm working with them because I want on the end of the journey that you get to have a conversation in real time using AI. With? With the audience. Okay. Yeah. i'm gonna say much more i like the sound of that and that is quite it's quite radical because my my dream is to create a situation where students and young people are taught about education in a way which that can relate to them because of the instagram real scenario and tiktok scenario people's attention spans are so limited the only way i think we're going to engage with younger people slow them down slow down through the emotion but also give them their what they're normally used to but expanding those emotions because if you can feel it touch it so all your five senses are really engaged so when you come into the space you're like i love this wow this is different and so each room has a real strong and how do you how do you monetize is this a business no this is a business pure business how you money how would you monetize something like that people would pay and it's a day thing day it's day there's like three different levels there's a day under which is for schools and school kids so you can change the exhibition yeah to to accommodate them and in the evening it goes something else and then on the later evening it can be an adult you know what as you i don't know about you but you i certainly know you'd get this you know sometimes you are somewhere and something will just trigger you and you go oh mate i remember that smell back in 1985 i was in a sports shop and that's what the training smelled like or do you know i'm constantly getting these flashbacks of stuff yeah well we're lucky that we've we've had that ability to have those amazing sensations yeah things that happened in our lives pre the real world yeah so if you take if you take kids back to see what it was like in the 80s pre the digital world and say this is you know especially in the beef room when you think about villapais that there was no whatsapp there wasn't anything it was like i'll see you there go past the rock turn left yeah and you'd get lost turn down the window listen arc and air base is over there.

1:20:36So that all was all part of the mystery and the journey. And the same in the clubbing. Or even leaving the Villa Park. How am I going to get home? Well, that was a classic, wasn't it? You know what? I'll walk and flag a cab. There's no cab for nothing. You'll be there until three in the afternoon. No, that's true. Yeah. Ron, I've loved this, mate. Well, it's been interesting. I've enjoyed spilling the beans to an extent. Yeah. Still some things I haven't said, but. Yeah. you've certainly lived an eventful life and i know we could go on for a lot longer a lot longer yeah ron are you happy 100 yeah i can tell i love it i can tell i i'm i breathe when i wake up in the morning i'm like fuck i'm alive i do i go wow and i've health is your only wealth yeah i've got mates i've got millions and they're just so many people with so much money so unhappy it's just like Why have you got, everyone thrives to have this money.

1:21:33The house, the cars, the this, the this. It's all bullshit. It is. Enjoy the moment. Enjoy the moment. You know, everyone's got these first world problems. Yeah. You know, I say for most people, it isn't really a trauma. It's just inconvenience. When you think about it, a lot of people just, it's actually, their trauma is just the inconvenience. And you just think, mate, you're fine. Yeah. Just give me nice food on the table. Nice bunch of mates. Nice missus. nice kid nice surroundings nice people that's it nice wine and you're kind of kind of done I know we've all got to earn a pound up to get through life as well but yeah 100 % have you ever been married?

1:22:10why?

1:22:15how many times have you been married? none none? no dodge the bullet dodge the bullet like the matrix yeah is there any time when you've massively fell in love and I've thought about it yeah I've fallen in love how many times do you reckon every day every weekend every submission party yep quality Ron absolutely love this mate you're a proper gentleman nice one for making the effort coming down as well you're welcome mate yeah mate I need to say one thing carry on your arms now we're talking good man alright sir cheers Ron you're welcome nice one mate take care right on mate that was quality Hi guys, I really hope you enjoyed that as much as I did.

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