#327. Tenerife Drug Mule Nightmares in World’s Most Dangerous Prison - Terry Daniels

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1:50Terry Daniels: You're really not going to believe what I'm going to tell you at all. My story is, yes, it's unbelievable. I moved to Tenerife in 1996. One of the blokes that I sort of befriended was Antonio, but he offered me to go on holiday to Brazil. Little old me being naive and stupid, oh yeah, I'll come with you. Coming back through the airport, he had four kilos of cocaine in his suitcase. Next thing I know, they busted it open, there's cocaine flying everywhere, and then they put a gun to my head. So then what happened? Then I moved to Northern Ireland. My doors got locked. Outside, there's the police and the army.

2:27And they found in my cupboard a storm-off shotgun, a pipe bomb and ammunition. So here we go, I'm looking at eight-year terrorism charges. I was sent to Mugabe prison.

2:36Terry Daniels: These girls are violent. And most afternoons, they say the table and chairs were going. Did you ever think about escaping? Yeah, yeah, believe me, I nearly ran. It was close. Why didn't you run?

2:50Welcome to the Eventful Lives podcast. I'm your host, Dodge, and I'm the founder of Bournemouth Sevens, the world's largest sport and music festival. On this podcast, I speak to proper characters of all lived eventful lives. Do us a favour and hit that follow button and be sure to check us out on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and TikTok at Dodge Woodall, where we've now had over 100 million views. Terry, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Yeah, we're finally here. Yeah, it's been a journey. It has been a journey. Yeah, the journey to get here and the journey to get here. Let's roll all the way back.

3:23How did you end up getting banged up for cocaine for 10 years in a Spanish prison?

3:27Terry Daniels: You're really not going to believe what I'm going to tell you at all. Nobody, my story is, yes, it's unbelievable to how I've ended up in a situation I did get into and the things that I've been through. because to look at me, I just look like your average normal lady walking down the road. Yeah. Yeah. But that's the bit that's thrown me. Yeah. So what happened in 1997? So I moved to Tenerife in 1996 to party, basically. And yes, I partied hard. Yeah. It just happens that one of the blokes that I sort of befriended was Antonio and he owned the Paradise Club. So he did a lot of cocaine. I did a lot of cocaine but he offered me to go on holiday to Brazil and little old me being naive and stupid oh yeah I'll come with you yeah coming back through the airport he had four kilos of cocaine in his suitcase so I ended up with a ten year jail sentence and a 76 million per se to find my god so how old were you at the time here roughly I think I was about 23 23 so he said to you you met him out in 10 o 'clock if he said to come to Brazil with me, he brought back how much worth for cocaine?

4:46Four kilos. Did you know anything about this? No. Zilch, nothing? Nothing.

4:51Terry Daniels: No. He took me as a... to look better. Yes. But he was set up. He worked for the Guardia Seville and a judge. So they fronted the money for the drug one. So, and that was... I think he was set up. I think that there was a bigger load on the plane, looking back over it all. But in Spain, it's guilt by association. So whether you were involved or wasn't involved, they don't care. You're guilty until you prove your innocence and they don't let you do that. So it's quite difficult. They're so corrupt over there, it's unreal. What were you thinking at that time? I'm going to Brazil for a holiday. Did you have a clue?

5:38If he was banging loads of gear up his hooter and you were doing it as well, Was there anything in the back of your mind going, I'm going there for a reason?

5:43Terry Daniels: Well, yeah, he said to me that he bought the holiday for him and his wife and she couldn't go. Then he said that I want to get to know you and trust you because I want you to run my club. So there I was in Tenerife wanting the big job because I like nice clothes and I like this and I like that. So, yeah, I thought, sod it. You don't get this opportunity for every option. but he once we were arrested he told them I had nothing to do with it he opened up and said look just let her go but they didn't it was quite surreal because I'd never been in trouble before I've always lived life very much on the line but you won't believe I used to be a police cadet when I was younger When I was 16 to 18 years of age, I was in the police cadets.

6:40I love Cagney and Lacey. And I wanted to specialise in there.

6:45Terry Daniels: I had a run-in with the police one night because the neighbour, I had a fight with her. And then I looked at them and went, I can't be a copper. I'm not going to be like that. And then the race scene arrived. That was it, really. The good scene, the good days. Yeah, that was a good day. The kids of today will never understand. and what we had absolutely it was the best time to be around right i would love to maybe relive that moment but the drugs are different the people are different because towards the end because i went out raving again later on it ketamine's arrived crack cocaine and it was it's not the same yeah yeah we were upright dancing they're all on the floor yeah it's Tell me about Brazil.

7:36You were out in Brazil. How long were you out in Brazil for, before you then came back from Brazil to Tenerife? Only a week. A week. And what was, you knew nothing about this. What was going through your head when you were in Brazil airport? Where did you get nicked? Which airport did it stop? And what actually happened that day? So the holiday was awful. Brazil is a very, especially the area we were in, San Antonio, it was very rough. You can't go out at night and escort it because obviously it's not safe. So you can hear the gunshots going off at night. It was very, it was just, it was a weird holiday.

8:11Of course, he didn't have a lot of money

8:13Terry Daniels: because obviously he'd been sent on this run. So of course, I was feeling a bit clucky at this point because that's the longest I've been without drugs. And then I think it was a day before he'd come back with two suitcases. I was like, where have they come from? And he said, oh, my old one, I bought two new ones. So I opened them up, had a look in, but they were all in false bottoms. So obviously I couldn't see anything. So fortunately enough, we didn't get stopped in Brazil because that would have been a different story altogether. I don't think I'd have been here. We got stopped in Gran Canaria Airport because you have to fly from Gran Canaria to Brazil.

8:59Terry Daniels: and that's where we got stopped but to this day I'm so fortunate that I didn't get stopped in Brazil because I don't know what would have happened and nobody knew I'd gone on holiday I had to phone home on the Monday as usual to talk to my mum as though I was back in Tenerife so it was all weird What happened when you got off the plane? So we got off the aeroplane and we come into the airport all bags from South America get checked they put one of his suitcases up and didn't but the second one they weighted it one side and not evened it this is why I think it wasn't a professional run and they took him away and then left me outside so I was like what's going on here next thing I know they dragged me in there so they busted it open there's cocaine flying everywhere and then they put a gun to my head and said to me what is this what is this so and yeah it was at that point it was that was yeah pretty frightening because obviously I'd never been in a situation like that before I'd been in different situations in Tenerife where it was all a bit because it's corrupt and it's violent and the police i remember one night we were in an office and um the police came in um two lines of coke each more than money two shooters and walked out and i was like well the old bill and tenerife were they yeah yeah lively very live so yeah that That was pretty frightening to think that somebody in charge of us was doing that.

10:50Terry Daniels: Yeah. Yeah. So I knew of the corruption, but I didn't know how far the corruption went. And I didn't, I knew that Antonio was close knitted with them all, but I didn't realise how close. So he's gone over there, bought two suitcases back, one potentially for you and one potentially for him in his mind. No, no. Or just he had two suitcases himself? Yeah, he had them both. He never put... So he never put the squeeze on you or anything like that? No. You were just a pretty girl going on a holiday with him and came back? Okay. Yeah, that's it. But he then said to them, because he said, look, she's got nothing to do with it.

11:28Just let her done. Did you see him front up and say, she's got nothing to do with it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you saw that with your eyes? Okay. Yeah. And they said, no, no. What was rushing through your mind right then? I don't... See, the problem with me is in weird situations, I really don't know what's going on. I don't know the severity of it. And obviously I thought I was just going to wander out of there because I thought, well, I've got nothing on me. They'll question me and let me go. So they locked me in a cupboard while they're obviously questioning him. They got me out, asked me about four or five questions, and that was it.

12:06and then said, right, we're taking you up to the local police station.

12:11Terry Daniels: Well, Antonio actually had to translate it all because there was no translator. And then you're going to go to court the next day. So by this time, it was five, six o 'clock in the afternoon. I'd been on the red eye. I never have jet lagged before. So I was feeling a bit ropey at this point. Didn't really know what had happened. I was filthy dirty. and then of course they did the examination it was marvellous that was pretty degrading. What do you mean examination? The internal. Strip search? You're joking me. Fortunately enough it was two females because over there they have no so then they took me up to the local police station and locked me in Antonia and at that point that's when it kicked in and I go into shock and I start shaking and I was crying and crying, I really wanted a cigarette so I asked the officer on duty there was no female there, just a male so he came in and then yeah, he wanted me to obviously give him a blowjob for the cigarette and I was like at that point I was really, I don't know I was emotional, I was tired, and then that happened.

13:37Terry Daniels: And I was like, what is this all about? So, yeah, it was quite frightening at that point. Where was Antonio at this point? He was in the cell, a couple of bits up. Okay. And their cells are totally different. So, yeah, it's not like here. it's a bit like yeah just uh um the yeah the the things up at the front and then you've got nothing yeah and a hole in the floor yeah yeah of which i didn't really want to go toilet in there and i wanted to ask him if but then i thought no i don't no it's horrible this is unreal yeah so and that's only the start yeah yeah so then so what was the movement from there what did they say they stayed like did you did you say listen i've got nothing to do with it and they're like you can go or were they like no no you're staying here until we find out from antonio that the facts no we went through um we went down to the courthouse we were in it was a bit like this yeah the judge was there me and antonio probably a couple of lawyers that they picked off the street um and um that's when she said that i he'd not got bail but i got prison with bail and then I was being escorted up to, I can't remember the name of the prison in Gran Canaria.

14:56Yeah, and I'd have to say I'm remarkable. I think the bail was about two and a half grand.

15:02Terry Daniels: So now we have to phone mum, six o 'clock on a Friday night. Where was mum? At home in England. Whereabouts? In Wingrave. Which is? In Buckinghamshire. Buckinghamshire, okay. um so a bit different back then there's no mobiles no money transferring very quickly um and when i got to the prison one of the girls let me use her phone and i literally picked the phone up and said mom been to brazil been arrested need two and a half grand and put the phone down wow that was not my best moment put it that way yeah um fortunate enough my mom and dad had money but what would have done if i hadn't had money what if she'd have turned around and said no yeah because i hadn't even told her i've been on holiday so yes it was quite a i had no money for um phone calls either so i couldn't phone home the rest of the time so she's stuck on a friday night at six o 'clock thinking panicking what am i gonna do yeah it wasn't as easy now It's to wire some money over and let her out How long were you and Nick for before they let you out?

16:17Terry Daniels: Tuesday So only about five days this time And that for you was probably long enough at that time right? It was Did you realise the severity of what was going on at that time do you think? No because I still thought that I was alright Because I thought well Antonio said this There's no evidence so how am I going to be charged with this? There was always that hope and this bubble around me that nothing was going to happen. So I flew back to Tenerife. Well, they threw me out of the prison with two dustbin fulls of stuff. Antonia's brother was outside the prison. Mine I don't know him from Adam. he had the money left over from the bell because it was pesetas I had to get in a car with him and then he I think I had to stay overnight in Gran Canaria to sort something out the following day to get my paperwork to go back to Tenerife so yeah I walked out got into a car with a completely like stranger then went and stayed in a hotel in the middle of nowhere it was very yeah it was a bit weird and then I had to phone home again so yeah it was um it was one of them situations that you think how the hell did i get into this and why was i getting into a car with something i look back on it and think oh my god what was i doing i was in so many situations that i was so close to being on the with with danger yeah yeah totally so and then I went back to Tenerife and then yeah a couple of weeks later well a week later mum flew over to get a lawyer um yeah I had an aneurysm so and I dropped in a garage in Tenerife and six weeks later I'm still in hospital so I missed my deportation order which was rubbish and then I had to find a lawyer.

18:29But yeah, so it was all... Happened so quick, right? Very quick and very... I didn't even realise what an aneurysm was and I didn't realise how bad that was at the time. Is that a blood clot in your blood? Yeah, it's like in my brain, it's like a hose pipe and there's a bubble in it and it just went boosh. With the stress? Yeah, it was... Mixed with... It was actually, your blood pressure goes really high and really low really quickly. And then it either bursts, which kills you instantly, or does mine and then clots or leaks.

19:08Terry Daniels: Okay. But I think, it's going to sound bizarre, but the use of the drugs at the time actually made my blood thicker. So that's why it clotted quicker. Okay, okay. What sort of use, how much cocaine were you banging a day, would you say, at peak, before this all happened? a lot a lot in tenerife it was go to work a couple of drinks by 12 o 'clock that was it so probably what 12 o 'clock bang on it until through the morning through the okay an afternoon okay i don't think i slept in the summer months i think i got about three two three hours most days we were coming home at three four o 'clock in the afternoon right yeah every day every day you and antonio and others others yeah yeah before we move on to this your book here passport to health yeah when did this come out um so like this is an unbelievable this is like an unbelievable you couldn't have written this like a wild wild story just went just before we go on to go on to this your passport to hell book did you ever think about leaving tenerife and getting yourself back to england getting out of there yeah what was what was going why did you not in the april yeah i flew home to england and at this point i was quite heavily into drugs right very heavy just cocaine or everything no just cocaine okay back in the day i took other drugs but i messed up on acid and Leah Betts died and it was all game over really so that Leah Betts thing was sad but yeah it changed the world but then that's another story I know too much about inside that one they ruined our scene they were making enough money bless them so You were back in the April in England.

21:11Yeah, it was. Did you not think about just staying there?

21:13Terry Daniels: Yeah. My sister knew there was something wrong. Yeah. I broke down, not told her how flat out I was, but I knew it was getting out of control. And I just, I didn't know what to do. I hadn't got a very good job. Things were, oh, my God, the house we were living in. I ended up in Bungamare in the end, which is quite a hellhole. Me and my mate shared a room. You went in the kitchen and cockroaches in the bathroom. What cockroaches? Yeah. It was about, I think it was£20 a week rent, but we still couldn't afford it because it was quite a, yeah. Any money we had spent on drugs. Okay. Yeah, and that was it.

22:06Okay. And I knew that life was crap. Yeah. Did the Spanish give you bail for a certain... Did they give you bail? Yeah. Yeah. For how long?

22:19Terry Daniels: A year I was on bail. Okay. And then what happened after that year? I went to court. So they went to court in Tenerife or Gran Canaria? Gran Canaria. Gran Canaria. And then what happened? Did you think it was all fine by then? You think, you know what? I was in there for an hour. An hour. on a 10-year jail sentence. I said three words. I had no translator. Antonio talked for about an hour about, obviously, the judge and the coppers that he worked for, and they took no notice of him. They said that he'd given them insufficient evidence. I think the two coppers went on flipping road duty, and I don't know about the judge.

23:01Terry Daniels: So then they said to me, which two cases was yours? The one without the drugs in. That was it. Done. That's what you said? Yeah. Okay. Then. Were both suitcases for drugs, just one? No, I pointed to my one. Yeah. And they said, oh, that's the one without the drugs in. That was it. Okay. Then we come out. This is the first time I've seen Antonio in a year. He's gone from being really fat to really skinny. Because he was on the brown in there. Okay. So went back to Tenerife two days later. I didn't get the phone call. my mum got the phone call that I got a 10 year jail sentence with a 76 million per se to find it's like what but then the next line of hope comes in or you're not going to prison yet you're going to appeal from outside the prison it's bizarre so here we are I've had an hour court cave to emerge with a flipping 10 year jail sentence did you have no representation whatsoever I had a lawyer, but then I've now found out he wasn't even a criminal lawyer.

24:04He just took my mum and dad's money. So that was about 30 grand him, 40 grand. Oh, God. Then the next lawyer, who's supposed to be QC level, to take it on for the next bit of the journey, which is, I don't know where it'd be here, probably the High Court. he's actually a maritime lawyer and he took about 78 grand of them so yeah it's all about this but I still say if I'd have paid the 76 million potato fine which is what in pound notes it was about 250 grand back then in 97 so nearly 30 years ago yeah so I think it would be the price of the drugs

24:53Terry Daniels: I think they said it was a million pounds worth street value so I think that's how they worked it out then I wouldn't have had any problems So when you went back to court then they said to you that's the first thing you ever heard of it that you're going to get a 10 year jail sentence or did you know this might be coming? So you went back to court, you spoke a couple of words and then you were told a 10 year jail sentence On the telephone but my mum got the phone call, not me So then what happened? So then they said you'll have to get another lawyer because you're going to take it through for the appeals but you're still not going to prison.

25:27So, but this time, Antonio's got the same as me and he's continuing his sentence. It's just, it's corruption and it's all about money. So it's all about stinging as much out of us as they can. But I think... Well, the old Bill, do you think the old Bill looking in at you going, you were definitely at it with Antonio? Oh, yeah. Two showcases. That's just clobber her as well and clobber them and then that'll teach everyone a lesson. Do you think that was the main...

25:56Terry Daniels: I don't know. I think it's just corruption over there. It's just about money. It's purely about money. So, and I can't remember ever... I think one of the lawyers did say if I paid the 76 million, I would have walked. Okay. Yeah. But no one had that. Yeah, but we didn't know we could do that because my mum and dad were quite... Your parents quite straight down the line? Well, dad was a little bit skewed, But mum's very straight down the line. This was brutal on my father. I'm sure. Brutal. I'm sure. This was his little girl. Yeah. And yeah, it was bad, basically. Bad on both of them, but my dad took it really badly.

26:40Terry Daniels: It was in the Sun newspaper. People were talking about it. It was horrible. So, yeah, it was... So you got a 10-year jail sentence. when they and when it actually all kicked in for you were you actually in the court then or they just come sweet pie come and get you and go right 10 10 years off you go in spanish jail said no one around you no interpreters did anyone speak english in there what what tell me what happened on your first day when you moved in no i didn't go to prison then did i i then appealed till about the year 2000 when john burko got a letter say john burko from the house of commons yeah the MP for our area.

27:21He's a good man. Yeah. He then got a letter which was misinterpreted that I was released with no readmission. So in the year 2000 So this is three years later.

27:32Terry Daniels: I said to mum and dad, bring out the passport application. I'll fill it out and we'll see what happens. A week later, my passport comes through the door. I was like, mum, I'm coming home. That's it. I've had enough. You're not spending no more money. We hadn't earned anything for about a year. so in the February mum flew out picked me up and took me to we did it the naughty way so we flew to Madrid because there was no passport control and then we got on the overnight train from Madrid to Paris and then Paris to Waterloo it was in Waterloo where we got stopped how did they get triggered because of the passport no no they were adamant we were carrying drugs adamant because we had a lot of bags with us.

28:20So me and mum made up the story that we'd been travelling in Europe and we had to come home quick because my grandpa wasn't very well. They were in her hair, stripped. They took the passports off twice. But little did they, they didn't check the food from Tesco's, which had the day before date on the deli stuff, right? that little did they know it was mum who was breaking the law. Right, okay. So this is when Linda told me later on. Linda Kelvey. Yeah, yeah, how serious this situation would have been. She's been on the podcast. Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, mum would have been arrested. Okay. Eight-year charge for aiding and abetting an escape of a criminal.

29:05So the pair of us would have been arrested, I would have been flown back and mum. but we didn't know at that time. We were blasé to the fact that I had put my mother in such a bag. But they must have clocked that you were coming through to clobber you and your mum and pull you over. No. Are they just going to take a pretty blonde girl with her mum walking through Waterloo to go and pull them aside? They've got drugs on them. It was some jumped up flipping new officer who just wanted to... He was adamant because we had, but I had them collars of Benetton. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. Notorious drug smuggling suitcases for me.

29:46It's not for not being inconspicuous, right? If you did carry. Which I wasn't aware at the time. I've still got them under my bed at home. That's why, but they were adamant. He just wanted a catch. Okay. But he'd have had a really good catch if he'd have actually found what we were up to. Yeah, okay. So tell me the moment from there, than when you got put into Spanish prison?

30:06Terry Daniels: So then my father became very poorly in the April, which I'm glad he'd come home. But then I moved to Northern Ireland, which is another story altogether. So you moved from... You couldn't write this by the way. I met a boy in Tenerife who lived in Northern Ireland. Yeah. So when I come home, I went to live with him. Okay. We split up in the Christmas, and I didn't want to come home. my dad was really poorly um and in a way i liked it sort of it was very bizarre but it was drink partying and a lot of paramilitary activity um then in the october my doors got knocked um outside there's the police and the army all in the street i was like oh what um and they found in my cupboard a sawn-off shotgun a pipe bomb and ammunition and balaclavas super marvellous so here we go i'm looking at eight year terrorism child so the two things i've been arrested for one's drug smuggling and one is terrorism the two major things you can be arrested for and I was like oh what um who was in who was in the house when you were like I was with my boyfriend it was nothing to do with him what had happened was when my dad was dying I flew home I've chucked the keys at one of the boys and said look after me place for me yeah um it just so happens that when I come back I was not myself I drank too and they um cut some keys yeah and they were in and out the house okay it was in a cupboard under the stairs right um tucked at the back of which when the police did it they made it look right it's about this big yeah yeah they um they had it in for me so they did they know you were on drug charges as well or they no they found out they found out afterwards yeah they found out during it um and that's why when i got found not guilty he smirked because he knew he told them where i was and then who smirked the officer who was in charge of the investigation on me so um because now i know how a proper court case is supposed to work because michael was arrested the bloke with the with the bag yeah and i was arrested he pleaded guilty i pleaded not guilty separated yeah he's gone he gets charged i then go to trial not in Tenerife so I'm glad I'm not happy it happened but then I get to see how I'm supposed to be treated yeah in in a court case I was sent to Mugabry prison and now I'm looking for 10 grand bail hold on hold on you're sent in what prison Mugabry where's that in Northern Ireland okay you were sent there straight away and you need 10 grand bail for that okay that was not not a nice place in there.

33:13How long were you in there for?

33:15Terry Daniels: About six days, I think. Okay. And how would you explain a Northern Irish prison? Isolated. Okay. Yeah. You don't move about. You're stuck on a wing and they did me a right kipper because my proper name's Teresa Mary. Yeah. So my father's Catholic and they stuck me on the Catholic bit with four other girls and I was in for a Protestant crime. Marvellous. I was in with a girl who got caught with a bigger bomb than the Omer bomb. One girl who cut her boyfriend's head off on the toilet. Yeah, and I was like, oh, this is fun. So, yeah, it's just blocked off. You don't go anywhere. Everything's brought to you.

34:00And they're like, the cells are quite weird over there.

34:06Terry Daniels: But I couldn't imagine doing a long stretch there being isolated like that. Yeah. So it was horrible. But you're calling her not guilty on this. Oh, God, yeah. Did you get charged on this in the end? No. Okay, so after six days you were released and away you go. No, I had to go to a big trial the following year. And the QC, who was like a withering mess, he reminded me of the bloke of the poltergeist film, the old bloke. um you come walloping down the corridor said two words and it was over two words but they said to me why didn't you tell us about tenerife because obviously this came up they were going to put me on the stand oh she's been so good i said i thought it's over so i knew at this point that tenerife was still lingering yeah okay and so they then told the authorities where i was and then a few months later next knock at the door where were you then i was actually living in Aylesbury up the road and mum called me get home I was like no I ain't coming home she said no you come home I was like no she said they're here we've always and she said bring your passport so I was in my pink Disney pyjamas put my tracksuit over the top went home there was three burly officers from Interpol issuing the European arrest warrant and I opened the door and went well I got into the house and went why why are you here well why three of you and why so big and they went well you don't look very good on paper so i was like what the fuck so then they took me up to london um and took me to bow street of which it was just an automatic bell so poor mickey my mum's partner had to follow up on the train um with his bank book again um he then had to put up another 10 grand bail of which the judge then was like, do you really want to do this?

36:03She's done this. I was like, shut up. She's an absconder. So then I got bail. Then two and a half years of court cases and court.

36:14Terry Daniels: I had to go to Bow Street every month. And it all got thrown up because I'm the last person to be arrested in Britain under the old European arrest warrant. I don't know what's happened now because we're out of Europe. I think there's an Interpol alert now if you move. But the European arrest warrant's gone. And then two years later, he goes to the big court, the massive court. I've got someone in the, is it the high? Yeah, quite a frightening place. Of which they then say no. And then Blunkett, he said, yeah, she's got to go back. So it was Blunkett who said, you've got to go back to Spain. He's the last person to make the decision.

36:59Mate. So that was in August. What year are we talking here? We're now in 2005. 2005, but you got nicked in 97. That's eight years. Why has this gone on so long? Because. Did they think you were on the run? Yeah, because on the paperwork, when they come to arrest me, it says fugitive on the run. I was like, really? I'm little old me. I stood there in my big Disney pyjamas and I was like, are you for real? Yeah. I am not the craziest this is what this is what I can't understand anyone listening you might not be able to see but on YouTube if you're listening on Spotify you're like what five foot how tall are you five foot three five foot three lean blonde girl like this is just yeah it's I remember about a month ago a girl who known me for about a year then found out about the book and said I'm going to read it then she come back and said

37:55Terry Daniels: oh my god Terry I never knew what you've been through because looking on face value normal girl down the road yeah and not this girl that's been in and out of prisons and done quite a stretch so when you got so eight years later were you still partying hard in between here yeah well okay was your life becoming unmanageable at the time yeah I decided when I got arrested on the European arrest warrant that I was going to go and sit in a field and get off my tits for two and a half years, basically. So, yeah, and that was it really. So I raved every weekend before I went away. Yeah, okay, don't blame you.

38:38And yeah, I'd been up for six days when I handed myself into Heathrow Airport. Hold on, hold on, you'd been up partying for six days and then you handed yourself in?

38:45Terry Daniels: Yeah, because you have to hand yourself into Heathrow Airport when they tell you that they're coming to get you. Yeah, yeah, believe me, I nearly ran. it was close. Why didn't you run? Because I'd be running all my life and somebody come to get me on the Wednesday night to say right that's it I'm taking you with the gypsies you're going underground but then I couldn't see my family, I couldn't see anybody I ran for a long time it had to be over I was flat out on the drink, the drugs there's a picture of me by the BBC just before the night before that was a lot of money to get that look but it's a bad look it was atrocious but yeah the rave scene was a bit bizarre but it wasn't like back in the day ketamine's ruined it but yeah went back out, partied hard that's one way to go isn't it don't regret a bit of it there's one way to go to prison yeah yeah so what's up I want to know you landed back in Tenerife no Gran Canaria you get back to the mainland in Spain mainland okay because even when you get sentenced in the Canaries you have to go back to mainland because they're too small whereabouts what was the first prison for you in Spain I went to Soto de Real Madrid huge and how would you explain that feeling going into a Spanish prison not speaking English not having a clue what's going on still off my tits yeah still buzzing it was um yeah i guess yeah i was um yeah it was starting to feel a bit ropey by this time um but they they take you to the courthouse first yeah um and that's full of everybody um and so this was i got yeah 10 o 'clock in the morning now it's three o 'clock in the night time um i was feeling quite ropey um and they come in whistled in my ear which i need punch where the officers are and uh and said because they had to decide why i was there they didn't know why i was back in spain um then they said right we're going to transfer you to the prison right i got in a bus with um somebody who smuggled drugs in her tummy and had it cut out then um one of the mafia italian mafia so yeah it was quite a nice little bus ride into the prison and then yeah I knew that I wasn't going to stay in Soto because it's a remand I just didn't know where they were going to send me so I was in there for about I think a month and then I had to go to Topaz in Salamanca Soto is 2200 strong with men and women mixed and children which I didn't like in the afternoon one o 'clock we go in they come out I think it, yeah, that bit, I didn't like the children.

41:43In Topaz, they're not there. You say children, what age are we talking here? Yep, it's a toddler. All in the same prison? Yeah, so they're in with their babies. Well, it's a mother and baby unit like there is in Holloway, but then they get, the babies go. But in Spain, mother and child are together in the cells, which I find it but they've now built a prison for families so mum baby and dad are in in the prison yeah it's it I can see where they're coming from but I can't yeah the vis-a-vis were quite

42:21Terry Daniels: um interesting the what's right because you have conjugal rights in Spain so being in a mixed prison as well is a bit bizarre there was only 100 girls and 1 ,600 men so the visa did you ever fear for your life at all in this first stint um I as before I I um I tend to live in that little bubble that I don't really know what's going on I think the first time I got really upset was when I got the one of the transfers and they beat the shit out of this girl because she had mental health issues that was really male male prison guards yeah a proper beating like yeah like what batons and yeah it was it was i think at that point i i started to feel quite vulnerable um i've always in the prison system in spain it's horrible um it's it's if you've got no money you're going to be on your hands and knees.

43:21Yeah.

43:23Terry Daniels: And that's a corruption in there. But fortunately enough, the Etta girls looked after me, the terrorists. Yeah. And then I ended up with an Irish terrorist boy. He was from Tallaght, just outside Dublin. What was he in for? He was in for kneecapping and I don't think in Spain they like their punishment bleatings. But he'd already done a lot of time for nicking cars. then come out and got sent to Malaga I've got 14 years I'm not quite sure I would have bothered for the cause but then they don't like punishment beatings in Spain so I can't remember how many years deep he was but he'd been in quite a while but looking back on it I don't think I would do the visa visa again You mentioned visa visa a minute ago what is that?

44:12So in the visiting you have one downstairs with a telephone anybody can come with that Then the second tier is family and you get locked in a little room. Then upstairs is like a hotel room with a bed, a bath, and then they shut the door and you're in there for two hours. And then they bang on the door and that's it, yeah. So every Sunday I used to skip off for relations. Yeah, it's very bizarre. But it does work with husband and wife to keep the relationship up. Who's visiting you? No, he was in the prison. I had, because Damien was in with the officers,

44:54Terry Daniels: he then got them to arrange the conjugal. Arrange the what? The conjugal visit, the visa visa. Okay. Which we shouldn't have had. Yeah. But because it's corrupt, we ended up. Yeah. And did you have money in prison? Mum used to send me money. Okay. And how would that work? so um she put i think it's about 200 pound over every two months um because obviously i needed money for um phone cards um stamps food and tobacco so yeah and if she hadn't ever done that i wouldn't i've had to find other ways like the other girls did yeah yeah to get things bloody hell no so so you're in there for a month the first one where did you move to then and how long you in the next one for no that was the next one i went to topaz topaz okay how long you're there for um 19 months until my transfer come back so when i got there i applied for a royal pardon which found a lawyer that was actually a bit legit and then i applied for the transfer back to britain so all foreign prisoners if you're okay they will let you transfer back to britain to turn to a service which was better on my mum because she was coming out every two months to visit me how much stress do you think you put on your mum in this period I don't even want to go there I still to this day think my father's esophageal cancer was my fault because it was stress related but mum tells me it wasn't but yeah and mum I owe my life so totally owe her my life and I don't know what I'd do without her because I've lost my dad and it's just me and her now.

46:41So it's...

46:45Terry Daniels: My mum will never know how much I'm grateful and the love that I have for her. She'll never know. She'll never know that if she hadn't put that first lot of bail up years and years ago, I'd be dead. There's no way I would have got through the problem. Not at all. Because at that point, yes, I would have started my sentence.

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48:43Terry Daniels: I just started on my own so yeah either that or I got out and then started doing drugs again so What's your mum's name? Pat. Pat. That's your shout out to Pat Yeah. Fair play to her So but yeah And you've got a close relationship with her these days? Yeah, yeah. Sometimes it's a bit, we've had a tough five years because her partner got dementia. So, yeah, that's not fun. It's rubbish. So, yeah, we've had another lot of crap that we've had to deal with, which is, it's life. So, he passed away a couple of weeks ago. She's had a knee replacement done, so we're all good to go. life has been really tough it's one thing after another but she is made of different things she's a northern stock and she's like a rhino bless her but rhinos do often give in I think over the years the trust is sometimes gone and there's little things that I'm still at home with AC not today Yeah.

49:53Terry Daniels: Okay. Yeah. When I come out of prison, it was... What year did you come out? I think 2009. Nine. And then I had to come out on licence. So it was either that or a bail hostel. So when I... And I've not left. Yeah. Because every time I move out, I get nicked. Yeah. Keep the safety with your mum. So I think I've got home with mum. Yeah. But yeah, it's just over the years, I don't know. I was on licence till about 2011. Then I wrote the book. Then I had a meltdown. Then I met a lad. I was with him. He went home in lockdown. And, yeah, I don't know where these years have gone. It's been a bit odd, basically.

50:33Lockdown was rubbish. Losing him was...

50:37Terry Daniels: That all set me back again. Yeah. And, yeah, I'm still at home with Mum. I want to go back what it was like for a young British girl in a Spanish prison. I want to know what went on in that prison. I want to know what's going through your head every day. You can't speak the language. What were you doing? What were you curling up in a ball? Were you bringing it on? We called it Groundhog Day. Because every time the doors open, it was like you couldn't change it for love or life. So most days we'd go down. It usually kicked off in the afternoon. So I hid underneath the table. I used to get out in the morning to go to the vestuario.

51:18Terry Daniels: I had a job, but I didn't get paid. What's the vestuario? It's like the clothing. because a lot of girls in there are foreign nationals. Making clothing? No, distributing them. Distributing them, okay. Yeah, because a lot of people in there have got nothing. They were nicked at the airport, so they have the clothes come in. So we used to send them out in parcel. It was good because they used to get me out. I used to write a lot. I tried not to sleep too much because obviously, but it was warm in the winter, cold in the summer. Yeah, warm in the summer but cold in the winter. Yeah, really cold.

51:52Terry Daniels: Yeah, really cold. Yeah, the language barrier was not great. So I learned to speak Spanish because the officers were calling me a C-star-star-T. So, yeah, I learned the language. I met lots of different girls. Their stories were bad because the girls from South America, they all tried to do the drug run so they could stay in Spain. Yeah. they're all prostitutes and yeah their lives are a bit grim um but the boys you see that got frightening because one of the boys i was talking to was a rapist so it was always very on edge it was a bit weird that the how you had to protect yourself in there i also had to protect myself from the girls because um i may be a bit tough but they're big girls they were huge and they scared me um so yeah these they're they're they're a bit like the um the yardie girls these girls are born fighters and they they don't take no shit then you've got all the got all the high tannins the gypsies um yeah and it's not just one that goes in the whole family goes in so yeah it was it's quite a bizarre situation um i befriended the etta girls they looked after me the terrorists yeah um and um so most days it was it was just prison's shit yeah and any bloke that goes in there and tells me he likes it and doesn't cry behind the door he's telling you lies it is prison is wherever you are it's it it's just it it's frightening it's violent it's drugs it because also another thing is, but also continuing the drug problem with the alcohol problem.

53:48Terry Daniels: The only thing I could get over there was methadone, but I didn't have a heroin problem. So I wasn't going to take the methadone because then I'd have another problem. So yeah, that's their drug and way of doing the drug problems. Whereas here we have counseling and no, They just stick you through of methadone. So, yeah, that was another issue. There was a lot of heroin about because there's a lot of overdoses. Violence was bad throughout the prison. One of the boys, he escaped one day because he put the helicopter with a chater. But there was boys in there, the Etta boys, serving 500 years. One of them done the bombing on the train.

54:37Yeah. Yeah, 500 years.

54:41Terry Daniels: So, yeah, there was a lot of big criminals in there. But, of course, I didn't know most of them because they were Spanish. But, yeah, but then you were mixing with them. But you were in one of the toughest Spanish prisons. Yeah, it was very tough. Both Soto, because John Palmer, he was often in Soto. I think I missed him by a week. What was he in for? That's the one who did the timeshare fraud. who's supposedly dead. I don't think he is dead, but yeah. He did the timeshare corruption in Spain, in Tenerife. He used to drink in the bar that I... It wasn't him I was bothered about. It was his henchmen who often...

55:28What sort of drugs were you taking inside the Spanish prisons?

55:31Terry Daniels: I didn't. I didn't take any. Were you clean the whole time? Yeah, I drank a lot, but I didn't. I did amphetamine at that time. I really don't think it was a good idea to take speed in a cell. Climbing the walls. You imagine it? No. No. Heroin would have been a bit different, but speed, no. Even cocaine had been crawling the wall. Have you ever tried heroin? No. Was that something you were just like, no, I ain't going there? I had two education when I was younger. Zambo from Grange Hill he was on heroin and then New Zack City crack cocaine never touched either because it affected me that much did you ever get abused in the prison system?

56:18Terry Daniels: abused as in someone started a fight on you someone beating you some of the guards taking advantage of you the officers they would have done but I tried to protect myself I'd watched enough girls of what they were getting up to. And to be, believe me, I'd have gone out without the packet fags. Yeah. I was not doing that. Yeah. It was bad enough, that incident in the police cell with that bloke. Yeah. It was frightening and it was awful. I'd rather have gone without everything. I had a few fights with girls because they didn't like the fact that I spoke English. One of the girls in the afternoon whacked the shit out of me.

57:01Terry Daniels: Most of the time, I hid from... I really couldn't be bothered with the hassle of it all because it was, these girls were violent. And most afternoons, they say, the table and chairs were going everywhere. One of the girls had AIDS. I didn't realise with AIDS that they get very violent because her mind goes towards the end. Well, she was off every hour, yeah. But it was, I don't know what started it. It must have been the fact that the methadone was slowing down. and yeah, they'd go off like a rocket. And it was a very vulnerable situation. Very, very vulnerable. I'm sure. Sounds it. Sounds awful.

57:44Sounds literally awful.

57:45Terry Daniels: Yeah, yeah. But most of the days I tried to hide from it. It was only every now and again that one of them would find me. How hard was it, the language barrier? Like I know you said you learnt Spanish and stuff, but imagine you're still going to hold them. You're all the Spanish speaking and they don't know what they're saying about you. Yeah, but it's not just Spanish in there. Then I've got the bloody Portuguese. Yes. Then I've got the ETA. And then South America, they speak all the different dialects. So, yeah, it was tough. I had to switch my mind off and learn one person talking to me. Then, yeah, trying to, because the Italians as well.

58:22And then this is a foreign national prison. I was the only English girl in there. so yeah it was a bit I had to switch off and I learned a different phrase every day I learned a lot from watching the television because the Simpsons so yeah sounds very bizarre in Spanish but they came up with the um and dirty dancing yeah Patrick Swayze he don't sound the same it was because obviously I've watched it that many times but I knew what they were saying so that's how I learned it oh okay but it towards the end I had it quite fluent but it is the language barrier is it's vile because you have no idea what anybody's saying about you, nothing at all so and then the officers wouldn't speak to me in English there was never a translator I had to take Damien when the solicitor come in I'd say him with me because there was nobody available to do the translation When you got a 10, did you think I'll end up doing 5 or did you not know No, not over there.

59:23Ten's ten. My God. Ten's a ten.

59:27Terry Daniels: And then if you bugger up, then you'll... Did you ever think about escaping? Yeah. Well, not really from Spain. It was a bit more difficult. But enough times... I was actually trying to plan it, but then thinking, how the hell do they get out? It's quite difficult. More so, when you get to the open prisons, that's when it's easy. Yeah. Yeah. That's when it's easy to do the right. But within the actual system, I don't know how they get out. Yeah, it's a tough one, that one. I think they'd have to have somebody working with them. Yeah. That's what happened. We had a girl on here called, Ollie, what was it called?

1:00:08Natalie Welch. Oh, yeah. She escaped. She got 10 years in Venezuelan prison or Peruvian prison.

1:00:14Terry Daniels: Yeah. She escaped. She was going out of a guard, fell in love with a guard, escaped with a guard from Venezuela, went over to Colombia, from Colombia to Spain, Spain to England over a period of a couple of years. But yeah. Yeah, she is. I think there are ways of doing it, but yeah, it's very difficult. Did you have any friends in there? Yeah. That you could call friends? Well, no. Just prison friends for the time. There's girls I will never forget. Yeah. And there are people that I won't ever forget. I had a young girl one of the girls from Brazil because my sister got married when I was in prison they tried to stall the wedding but they didn't that was a tough day for me that was really and she looked after me that day that was one of my darkest days to think that my sister was getting married without me that was tough so yeah I liked her from South America and Andoni, one of the Etta girls.

1:01:22I've kept in contact with some of them. Okay. But when I got back to England,

1:01:28Terry Daniels: Linda Calvey was one of my favourites in East Southern Park. So hold on. So how long do you do in total in Spain? Yeah, 19 months. 19 months. And then I got the transfer back to Britain. You got the pardon to go back to? No, I got the transfer. You got the transfer back to? So you repat. Yeah, okay. So I got a day out on the aeroplane. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah. Yeah. That was a nice feeling leaving the Spanish prison, wasn't it? It was. Relief. I must be the most happiest, well, one-off person. It was happy to go to Holloway. Yeah. I was really happy to be going to Holloway. But it was bizarre.

1:02:06You get ticked to the back of the airport in the cell. Then the Interpol come. Yeah. They book your flight. Are you all cuffed up walking up the stairs on a normal? No. No, what they do is they put you on first before the rest of them and put you at the back. But all the air stewardesses have to agree that you're allowed on that plane because they have no idea who I am, right?

1:02:29Terry Daniels: One of them, the air stewardesses, kicked off and said, no, I don't want her on here. It's happened before where they would have flown home without me. Fortunately enough, they told her to stay at the front and stay away from me. Yeah. So then everybody else gets on the plane. So everyone else is just an old Joe Public. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And they have no idea, yeah, who I am at the back. So you could be on any flight coming back and always clock the back seat. Yeah, just have a clock. Yeah. If there's two people with one person in the middle and it looks a bit peculiar. Yeah. You know. Yeah. So how long did you have to do in Holloway?

1:03:08Only a couple of weeks. Yeah.

1:03:10Terry Daniels: And then I got transferred to Cook and Wood. That was not a nice prison. Where's that? In Kent. Okay. That's where all the paedophiles were in. I was not happy. It was, we're not segregated. So you're not segged in there? No. We're either Cat A or Cat D. Yeah. Not like the men. Yeah. We have to roll with them lot. I remember walking past the door and I clocked the name and she'd gone in just before I went to prison. So I knew exactly who she was. and I was like nah why am I in with her yeah um she's escorted everywhere around like royalty then I found out the two old ladies I was talking to in the library one was um um a foster carer who abused all her children with her husband and the second one she burnt the house down with the grandkids in because you want to go bingo and i was like really who the hell but they're and then the girl who killed her baby in the bath in tottenham yeah she was in there too but they're treated like royalty and i was like you can't talk these people are vile so yeah cooking with me was horrible therefore um i think six weeks john got me into um the open prison quickly so John wrote a letter to who?

1:04:30I read the letter last night. Who did he? He wrote a letter to someone. Yeah. John Bercow wrote a letter to the House of... No, he had a debate in the House of Commons.

1:04:39Terry Daniels: That's right. About my situation. Yeah. Yeah. I've got the debate at home. Brilliant piece that he wrote about you, by the way. I know. He was... He helped my mum so much. Have you met him since you've come out? Yeah. Massive shout out to John, by the way. We went to the garden party at Buckingham Palace. That was bizarre. one minute I'm in prison this is fun this is really surreal and we went to the state opening of parliament and then when he was made speaker so yeah but he doesn't do it anymore he ended up a big brother his missus did because his missus is a real she loved me because she's got a drink problem too but I don't know where he's gone now I have no idea So you did your 19 months in Spain, which was brutal.

1:05:31Terry Daniels: 19 months back here. 19 months back here. Which was even more brutal. Even the open prison was more frightening than this one because you're more vulnerable. Yeah, okay. And on top of that, my teacher was murdered in the grounds of the open prison, which was... Hold on, hold on. Your teacher who was teaching you in the prison... Got murdered by... her boyfriend so we all got they didn't know it was it was really weird that morning i got up and i knew something was wrong because the officers go weird and funny next thing i know we're on lockdown looks like the blooming tent in the yeah our teacher was out there and murdered i'd only been with her the day before um so we all got arrested the whole prison was questioned on murder so um and then i think she was outside for two days under this tent in in the boiling hot we couldn't phone out we couldn't do anything um then um they found out it was her ex-boyfriend who'd um yeah yeah but because there was no cameras hardly in there because it was open yeah it was too open how mad is this i'm like reflecting on this conversation like getting caught up, party girl in Tenerife, getting caught up with this fellow who owned a nightclub, bringing back four keys of cocaine street value at that time was one million you then getting banged up in Spain eight years later, in the meantime you went to Northern Ireland and got banged up because the fellow you were with had a bomb and a sawn-off shotgun and balaclavas and you couldn't write this and every part of it you're innocent yeah like every part of it you're that's what everybody can't this is the bit i can't get my head around it's just i'm i'm either unlucky or stupid basically um it was just situations that but any girl in teneret said that could have been us yeah any girl party girl who was caught up yeah they said that it could have been us that was arrested any one of us because they were all in a very vulnerable situation and they were all so that was stat one he could have took any one of the girls yeah but the thing is in in spain is is whether you knew or you didn't know they don't give a toss they don't you have to realize that if you're out there if if if you do something silly or you always do you're going to get nicked and you're looking at a long time A long association.

1:08:04Yeah, a long time. So all these boys go out being, you get caught with drugs. If they're not the Guardia Seville, then you're going to get clobbered. Yeah. Was there any point where you could bung the Guardia Seville, bung them off, get rid of them? Well, I think they were being paid off daily over there. The Russians have took over a lot now. What, Aaron Tenerick? Yeah, I remember one of the nights in Bobby's Park, they were all fighting. The boys come down with all the shooters. and then went up, yeah, and then one of the cars exploded. Yeah, every day was vulnerable. And then one of my mates had his eye took out, but he was in the paper not so long back because he was associated with the Peru 2.

1:08:47Yeah, and he'd come up through the tunnel, blood all down, he's like, yeah, they took his eye out. I had to take him up the hospital. Where were you based? Were you based in Las Americas, were you? I started, yeah, when I moved out there, yeah, I was in between Las Americas and then got a job on Veronica's. Yeah, okay. Then when it all kicked off, when I got nicked, then I worked in a restaurant and then a lounge girl. So it was later on that I started to get my life sorted out. Just before I come home, I was cleaning.

1:09:19Terry Daniels: Yeah. Yeah, but I was in the fit. I lived in San Rafael, which is right on top of Veronica's, but it was all about the party. I went out there to party and I did. but it just happens get caught up have you seen Antonio since you've been out no has he reached out to say sorry no I can't remember how many years back I think it's when I wrote the book ITV News wanted my mum and him to do an interview right when they address I was not happy about it and fortunately enough he didn't do it but no I've not seen him not seen him no i think oh no i remember now it's when when i got nicked on the european arrest warrant he was just coming out of prison because he'd gone through all too quickly basically yeah he'd gone through the whole lot far far too quickly um and they got in contact with him and told him what was happening to me in england and would you do this unfortunately he didn't so no no I've not seen him I think he's actually died now I don't think he's alive he's not no no no but he had to move because he was a grass he had to move to Barcelona I think it was with his mum the wife had told the kid that dad was dead yeah and had nothing more to do with him so why was he a grass I don't know what happened in the final bits but I think he grassed his way through the prison because so he didn't do the full turn he came out after how long do you know Six years.

1:10:56About six, okay.

1:10:57Terry Daniels: And he got in open too quickly. Okay. So, yeah. Word on the street down there. The Moroccans told me that. So here in your book, Passport to Health, some other chapters in there.

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1:11:51like the experimental years living the dream back to tenerife the holiday from hell

1:12:00Terry Daniels: salto del negro yeah that's the prison okay cocaine on the brain yeah my day in court the final countdown terry the fugitive another escape terry the terrorist out of the frying pan and into the fire. A sense of deja vu. Arrested again. It's actually not funny, but it's... The extradition. Life in Soto del Real. Topaz. Ups and downs. Return to the asylum. Return to sunny England. Murder at Hogwarts. Life on licence. Wow.

1:12:39When you look at that, how would you explain, like, how would you explain your life? Colourful. Colourful. Very colourful. Very colourful. Well, I've not had a boring life. No, you certainly haven't. You certainly, that's why you're on here. Tearing up, you know, eventful life. You certainly lived an eventful life. Yeah, it's not been boring, put it that way,

1:12:59Terry Daniels: but it's also been, yeah. Sometimes I would like a quieter life, but then when it's quiet, that's when my brain shuts down. Starts going. Because my brain can't cope without problems. Yeah, that's when I had to make them break down. But it's left me with doing acid, yeah, giving me the blooming panic attacks. yeah so when so you've been out for how long now 14 when did you come out 16 years 15 16 years I come off license in England in 2011 license in Spain in 2015 okay because yeah it was quite frightening with the Spanish license because at any moment I would have gone back for the full 10 and well you got a recall at any moment for what if you no if I'd have met something that happened to me in that period in Spain yeah then I'd have yeah been in a lot of trouble which I didn't know about that okay but I was actually all pardoned in the end um um but it was a partial part so they had got away with um yeah paying me a lot of money out they dropped a sentence from 10 to 6 so at that time you did free free free yeah free in free out yeah so when they got the paperwork I was released automatically.

1:14:14Terry Daniels: That was a good phone call. Yeah, I bet. That was another phone call. Come and get me. I put the phone down. And your mum will come and got you again? She's a special woman, isn't she? Yeah, she's very special. Yeah, it's been a journey. I feel sorry for my sister as well because the years she's missed out on as well. There's different things that I just took over. Every conversation of what's going on. It was just, it was constant me. Yeah. And, yeah, there's things like she's missed out on and, yeah. She's missed out on or you've missed out on? No, she's missed out on because of me. Yeah. Because I'm, yeah.

1:14:56Is she older or younger than you?

1:14:57Terry Daniels: Younger. Have you got a good relationship with her today? Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes not. Yeah. We have our falling out. We are very close and we are best friends. but it's a lot of water under the bridge. Yeah, sure. It's a lot. Have you ever thought about sitting down for a day and just going through it and just opening your heart out to her? No, I've always wanted to do the book with her. So I think it's called like The Butterfly Effect, where one problem, so with the three people, I have me, mum and Kel. Her one problem affected us all in three different ways because she's never, she's a silent one.

1:15:38Terry Daniels: She's never spoken. And I know a lot of it was bad. What a perfect. How did she feel when I dropped with the aneurysm? How did she feel the night she found out I'd been nicked? Yeah. What happened with 10 years? I know for a sure fact I've put myself in the other way. Yeah. Sometimes you have to put yourself in the other's shoes and think, what have I done to this boy? Because that not just happened to me, that happened to everybody. The knock-on effect is impressive. Yeah, it's huge. Have you got any words for Kel today? I'm really sorry. Really sorry for everything I put her through. Everything.

1:16:19It's, yeah, it's been...

1:16:22Terry Daniels: She's had her own problems in life as well. She's got two beautiful children and she's strong. But there are times that, yeah, it's... I know that I've been a real pain in the arse. Absolute. sister from hell really yeah although we've always been very strong and tight and there are times that she probably might punch my head into this yeah because i know i have yeah it's it's it's been tough for her tough yeah but um yeah it's quite bizarre how people think that your bad decisions only affect you. Neither do they. Because not only... I have to do the sentence. Everybody else outside is doing it with you, but in a totally different way.

1:17:13They have no idea what's happening to you in there. Because I just get on the phone. Yeah, it's great isn't it? Yeah, trying to put on a front. But they were sat at home, waiting for my phone calls. Probably waiting for the news. I was dead. Yeah, it's all different. On the next phone call, I've been nicked. And we don't like the front door going at home. We don't like the bloody phone ringing. Every time the door freaking goes, I think it's just fine. I'm hiding around the door. It's horrible. It's vile. I tell people not to come to the front door. Definitely don't read the doorbell. Go around the back.

1:17:50There's all little things that it just brings back so many different sort of memories from the trauma that we've all but it's not just my trauma it's their trauma so you mentioned a few

1:18:03Terry Daniels: minutes back about you had a breakdown yeah um yeah so when i come out i was on license which was very tough license i wouldn't do license again such a word i wouldn't have to but i would not do license um it's it's it's bummerable and it's frightening um then i wrote the book and then after that I was like oh right okay and that's when I had the um yeah yeah my body just decided a mental breakdown okay yeah it couldn't cope so when you've been through so much trauma because mine was back to back for 14 years solid yeah your brain can't cope with no trauma and that's when I started to invent all sorts of things so and then the panic disorder come in then I decided I ground myself so I'll get my passport back I'm gonna have a fear of flying it was all different weird things that you do and yes it's bizarre yeah how do you explain a breakdown um it was I don't know my I think it was more to do with the panic disorder because I started to get rituals as well with the OCD thinking if I did things in order nothing bad would happen um but with the panic disorder that was bad because at first I had no idea I'd had this panic attack but not the verity of what I was having now um to the point that I thought it was just constant and it wears you out wears you totally um it until you try and get on top of so I went for therapy which is CBT but like a soldier who gets his leg blown off they couldn't pinpoint when I broke so they can't find the exact point that flipping starts this what do they call it?

1:20:06it's a shock PTSD yeah that's it so they didn't know which bit to work with so it was quite a long journey to try and find out which bit broke me because I'd never dealt with any of these problems because once something else had happened so yeah this happened then dad died so i didn't have time to deal with any of it basically something's happening yeah bam bam yeah and it took me years fortunately enough i'm a bit on top of it but then driving here today was quite i hate driving now i used to drive for miles i think we said we'll start this at three didn't we yeah yeah i think starting like r5 yeah yeah so it's um it's it's one of them things that i panic so much and i get everything gets on top of me yeah and there was a point where if i wasn't

1:20:57Terry Daniels: in control of something i wouldn't do it so that was flying airplanes um being in in the train even cars i wouldn't drive the car for a year when i cut out of prison i don't know why i have no idea what that was all about. Are you still using drugs today? No. When's the last time you used? Probably the night before I went to prison. And I've been sober for 18 years. Oh, amazing. Yeah. Well done. Congratulations. That's been tough. Fair play. I bet it has. Because alcohol, yeah, it's everywhere. It's a big part of your life. Very big. Yeah. Because every time something bad happens, I just go and sit in a film and get off my tits.

1:21:35Terry Daniels: So yeah. Now I can't do that. What do you do now? For? Just to relax, relax the brain. I don't really relax because I'm always flipping 101. I don't relax. I think in life I have a goal, a final goal, and that's to get that onto the TV. Well, this story, Passport to Hell, this book here, definitely go and check it out, everyone out there. Definitely check this out. This is a powerful, powerful book. the ultimate goal is to get this into Netflix because this is some story you've got. It'll always be a message but a message that is never grow old. Never because there'll always be drugs, drink and there'll always be somebody going on holiday because just recently there's been a lot of people being nicked again.

1:22:30There'll always be people going on holiday. There'll always be, it's a timeless timeless message it's not could get oh yeah we'll we'll sympathize with her and we'll feel sorry for don't feel sorry for me i feel sorry for my family um i don't regret my life because it's made me who i am um i regret some of the people that have been in it um but you have to go through these things but because I have this knowledge now that knowledge needs to go out yeah because it's I think with drinking drugs if you can take them in moderation and not hurt anybody around you then knock yourself out but the minute it starts hurting you or somebody else you've got to stop you've got to stop and it it's really good that I don't make really silly decisions I've always wanted to be my sister because she's a happy drunk

1:23:32Terry Daniels: my dad as well my god she's so funny but I wasn't funny anymore it was not nice I miss Christmas day Christmas day I was always better drunk it's not very fun sober and New Year's Eve they're the only two days that I really do crave there are other days where I wobble but I have my coping mechanism and then because I work in pubs I'm surrounded by people that put me off alcohol for life so yes so you work in pubs now do you? yeah when I first came out of prison that was my first job for nine years mate you're a strong woman if you can work in a booze or not touch a drop good for you it's good therapy really because people can put you off alcohol do people in the booze of where you work know your story?

1:24:16Terry Daniels: some of them some of them don't especially the younger ones they don't know and some of the older ones if you if you didn't live in Aylesbury area then you probably wouldn't yeah you wouldn't know yeah all of it Fair play to you coming on the podcast and being so open yeah but thank you for having me no no I really appreciate you making the effort as I'm only one of seven girls are you one of seven? yeah I'm quite honoured oh no one of seven on the podcast oh I see I thought you're one of seven sisters brothers no no no there's only two of us thank god no yeah I was quite honoured really that I was invited This is down to Mickey Finn.

1:24:55Yes. The legend. I love Mickey. Yeah, mate. Yeah, Mickey. We need to go out soon. He spoke very highly. He was like, Dodge, you need to get Terry on the podcast.

1:25:05Terry Daniels: He's a legend. Yeah. Terry, before we finish up, have you got any last words to say to your mum? There are no words, really. She'll never know. She will never know. So what I feel for her, never, because there is, she lost her mum when she was only nine years old. So she's been without a mum all her life, really. But boy, she's done the job because when my father died, she now has the role of mum, dad. Yeah, and yes, there is no words. no words at all to tell her um as i said i probably wouldn't be here yeah but no so really appreciate you making the effort i've really enjoyed listening to your story thank you powerful and like you said like anything what you can do now to help any other girls or boys out there thinking of doing or getting involved with the wrong people or whatever it may be what your final words are just stay away yeah uh life life is what you make it and obviously my experience is i love raving i'm still we all love raving like mickey i don't feel like i've been raving now for certain yeah 34 years yeah 34 years that's some dedication to the race isn't it yeah i've gone off it a bit more now it's wicked parties at the moment for over 40 is everywhere no I still party with the young 'uns no but I'm saying that Gen X party where there's all the old house music all the old tunes we all know are all popping up all around the UK in different countries this is fabulous the last one a big one I went to was at AWOL that's where I met Mickey okay yeah down in J's because I used to go to the Paradise Club in Islington to the original AWOL but yeah I've been raving have you hooked up with Mickey lately no I haven't seen him for ages you got his number yes yeah okay I'll pick it over to you hook up after this I told him last night that you were coming on he's like I can't wait to listen to this one but make sure you reach out to him he's a legend he'll definitely be on my film he'll be the only DJ on there and he still plays off the decks he does doesn't he Terry you're an absolute beautiful beautiful soul you really are and you've lived an eventful life yeah thank you for making the effort coming down here I know it was a big arse but I really appreciate it yeah thank you nice one Mickey nice one I've got Miggy on the brain nice one Terry take care cheers hi guys I really hope you enjoyed that as much as I did can you do us a favour and leave us a review as it massively helps us grow the show cheers guys

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