#345. The UK's Hardest Man, 13 Years Sentence & Prison Gangs - Big Stacks

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1:19Do you want to go? Yeah. I just sat there one day. I was fucking about I looked at the camera I said look I am the hardest man in the UK there's not one man can beat me up any type of skill whatever you've got I will smash your head in yeah if you want to fight me let me know and then it fucking went so viral my face is over every algorithm 6 and 4 120k mate I come from nothing from the age of 10 I had nothing at all at the house I was on the council estate mum turned to drink I had to get food myself do you know what I mean how many times do you think you've been arrested about 60 times 60 yeah 60 I got a big criminal record yeah we're doing robberies we were selling drugs we were doing that so it's a gang the biggest one I got 13 years it's my last one so I got done for section 18 I whacked someone with a bat I've always been a banger I've always had the fucking the one bang on me do you know what I mean so I broke his kneecaps and I fractured his skull did you see Red?

2:06yeah because I probably would have killed him because

2:13you actually want to go? yeah mate come on hey guys we've been running this podcast now for five and a half years we've had some most amazing business guests on here. Simon Squibb, Daniel Priestley, Barry Hearn. The list just goes on and on from billionaires to people who have built brands. If you want to come on the podcast and talk about your business and sit here with me in the studio and tell your story, go check out dodgewoodall.com forward slash guest and check out the three minute video. We've also left the link below as well. Let's roll all the way back. What's it like being known as the hardest man in the UK?

2:44The hardest man in the UK. I've got a lot of egotistic people that want to take me down, I'm trying to do this wrestle me somehow and it's I'm on license I can't do fuck all and it's hard I have to hold my temper so sometimes I like it depends where I am because I do get a lot of love most times and love over turns of hate but you get the odd dickhead that wants to go a little bit viral maybe take down the hardest man in the UK and then he's the hardest man in the UK you know like so I like it I enjoy it I like having fun I'm a character I like violence I like play fighting so I'm like a big kid in a fucking big man's body yeah mate where did it come from where'd the name come from mate I just sat there one day I was fucking about I looked at the camera I said look I am the hardest man in the UK there's not one man who can beat me up any type of skill whatever you've got I'll smash your head in yeah if you want to fight me let me know but I said it I'll say it for a joke and then it fucking went so viral and everyone believed I was being serious so I had all these professional fighters I had all these fighters I had every type of fucking level fighters coming for me but I was I was laughing a bit like I thought how the fuck is this blown up so I just kept I was taking the piss out of them all you know what I mean I was just like nah you're too small you're too weak you're not on my level even though these guys would probably fill me in yeah professional fighters but obviously no one knew it was a joke at first but when they started realising it was a joke they said well done you're marking genius because I did do my thing somehow I fluked it and it ran and yeah and how long has it been going for now like when did you first start off when did you start blowing up I'll tell you when I saw you first Charlie was when you were on with IFL TV.

4:19That's it. With Cougan. So he's roughly than fans. That was proper, wasn't it? That was like... That was proper. I was fucking about, yeah. He didn't know how to take me, yeah. So I was just, I was chatting shit to him and he's actually generally like, and I've carried on what, do you know what I'm thinking? I'm like walking off, yeah. Obviously, I'm playing my character, yeah, but he's not realising it. That's why it went so serious because after that, all the boxing, like, because it went to the boxing world where everyone was coming from, yeah, everyone all the box like you fucking idiot but I just kept doing it and just winding me up and in my head I'm cracking up and everyone that knew me said bruv what are you doing is crazy it was funny but a lot of my friends were scared for me they kept saying I kept getting phone calls please mate a lot of people didn't want to hang around they didn't want to be around me your parents were like hold on a minute I think you're going to get caught out yeah a couple of them was like bruv it's dangerous for us and I'm like are you stupid I'm like no one can actually people ain't going to take you serious I mean like but I knew what I was doing eventually I was going to say it was a fucking joke yeah but it was like sometimes like I could have got ironed out easy do you know what I mean of course I can because you get some mental health weird cunt that wants to do so wants to prove something because I had a few boys on the phone to me like serious traveller fellas yeah and they're saying mate you can't be going around saying this I was like mate you do know it's a joke but they're like but we've had phone calls saying we need to sort you out and I'm like fuck it it's crazy how did that make you feel because it's alright having a joke but if you're saying like 50 % are like get it 50 % are like hold on is he really think he's the hardest man in the UK it was it was pressure when I first went to this guerrilla promotions yeah because that's where everyone hated me that's what I thought anyway what's guerrilla promotions it was Darren Till's event so it was saying and there's loads of like cage fighters there's loads of hard cunts and I was getting a lot of hate like all the posts I was posting about this wait till you come here like it was up in Liverpool so I thought mate it's going to go one way or the other let me just see how it goes yeah but I went with two of my pals that's why everyone's like give me the balls to go like they were proud like well done yeah but as soon as I got there mate the amount of love I got because everyone said you're fucking funny because a lad lad would know what I'm fucking about you probably knew I was fucking about when you see it maybe I don't know like no no no genuinely when I saw when I was a Coogan interview I genuinely thought is he actually serious it made me think is he actually being serious I know I know because a lot of people even my pals at the gym other boys I think most people would have thought is he actually being serious he would have stormed off because even Coogan was like what are you playing at because loads of even like celebrities fucking messaging me and saying mate calm down please like you're going to get yourself stabbed and that killed like you know a lot of people were actually looking out for me but I'm like mate you know I'm fucking about because even like Coogan got phone calls because after Coogan I said to Coogan I was pissing about you know and then Coogan literally Coogan got phone calls it was so funny and they were all saying fucking Muppets fucking this and then Coogan was like look he's fucking about a couple of us like nah nah fuck that who the fuck's he you know what I mean but I think now i get all the proper fellas know yeah it's funny like now they get the joke yeah but all all the there's a lot of clout chasers out there loads like the other day i had it i was at the boxing event as soon as i walked in get loads of laugh like people get a lot people get jealous man because they think who's this yeah i'm always around girls i'm always around this i'm always just like flashy i'm always just being cocky and they're seeing me everywhere that my my face is over every algorithm going yeah because i'm on you i'm on everything because i'm doing kick at the moment as well but doing what?

7:40kick so it's a live streaming thing well clippers are chopping me up and putting me everywhere haven't you seen any clips of me? I've seen clips everywhere little clips I don't put it out myself people put it out for me people are using it yeah but it's about 100 people all putting me everywhere they get a lot of views so people can't get and the people that hate me imagine that constantly seeing my face yeah being cocky you're going to be filming and it fucking but there was a kid the other day same thing as soon as I walked in he goes what are you saying now and I was like what and he was like what you're getting rude online I was like what's your name he was like I commented saying it on your picture I was like bruv I don't fucking know do you know what I mean because I'm thinking you're commenting on my picture and I'm not allowed to say nothing back obviously I've probably been cheeky back I don't give a fuck you've commented on my picture do you know what I mean it was just he's like come over fight me one on one I was just like oh mate I'm half losing my tempo I thought what is the point I don't know this kid but do you say to him listen mate this is just mucking about no I just I just want to fuck off like blah blah blah and then I'm with so many people that mate he could have easily you know what I mean he could have easily been sticky for him not me like but firstly I don't violence ain't what are we going to get having a fight in a fucking club or anywhere has there been any any proper egg with you in terms of someone's clocked you and gone do you know what I don't actually like him because they thought you were being serious not really I've been getting little where I've I have arguments, but it's all like divvy cunts and I've half like, just shown them my power, I've thrown them to the floor, whatever, do you know what I mean?

9:08But I'm not, it's not being sticky for me where I think fucking hell. I'm in trouble. We could get, yeah. What about Paul Venice? Was that real? His name's Paul Penis, by the way. So correct yourself, please. Yeah. It's, it was real at first, but then mate, both of us, mate, he was making me laugh. He's come back, he's doing, and he said the same thing, I was making him laugh. In the end, I've had a string, I've gone and met him in the gym we've had a session together but he's bang on see Paul but at first he didn't like me because he thought I was serious and I was just taking the piss out of him but the longer it went on for the longer we started seeing each other's sense of humour and it's a weird like me and him we're total opposite he's just he's just a normal you know like normal getting me I'm like a big kid so when we're together it's like big brother little brother and it's funny like seeing us together me and him make great content and where have you where have you come from then how come you've all of a sudden blown up was it the iflt thing that blew it up it was i was into a certain audience because we love boxing we want boxing so i used to be the first traps yeah so i'm walking out my top off and i've always had a big following but then i started going to the more manly algorithm do you know like when i was in the boxing i've gone all to the fighters like but now i've got myself a decent fight coming up like i'm i'm in the boxing game but before this i didn't even know about boxing but every every boxer knew about me so it's it's somehow a flute getting into it and I love it I love it I'm seeing all the fighters I'm going to all these events yeah amazing and I enjoy it man good for you man yeah it's crazy good for you you've created something out of nothing literally literally yeah and it was slow unbelievable yeah I wasn't expecting nothing from it but the thing is when you see you online I think it's properly funny the stuff you do chop off and there's girls here and they're doing that it's like comedy isn't it it's comedy and no one's done it before and being a big lump as well getting away with it and where mate I ain't got a bird I can do what I want I'm in I do OnlyFans so I'm around pretty girls yeah I do only fans yeah explain like what I've been doing it for years so I just I shag birds and have a wank or what not do you know what I mean but just on a camera just on a camera and you just sell it to people obviously I I've been doing it for long so I've built myself up so I'm alright for now to focus on other things so my money comes in that way how long have you been how long have you been banging one out for on camera two years two years do they see your face as well yeah I couldn't give a fuck see me morally yeah morally I haven't got the morals as a man would have like from my past and all that so I've been in jail all my life I've been in jail from 12 I'm 10 years old I was fucking I had to fucking fief and shot I used to be the worst kid in the world never allowed in normal school do you know what I mean so morally I ain't been taught these like when people say as if you sell your stuff as if you do this mate I couldn't give a fuck like I'm doing it for the money now I get it I want to come away from it yeah okay I think I will because I've got a lot of plans but for now like bruv I'm having fun with it man yeah it's a bit it's a lot for me do you know what I mean yeah mate so let's roll let's roll a bit further back then what was your childhood look like did you have a fatherly figure I had a dad when I was six so I had a good family there was six of us kids mum and dad dad passed away mum couldn't cope and she started drinking yeah so from that sort of age like mate I was a difficult child brothers and sisters I had a brother similar age to me he was a couple years older me and him was like cancel state kids and then we used to make sure we always used to make money we used to be I used to be the wrong crowd I used to just fucking be a criminal like from 10 years old then I started getting arrested non-stop, non-stop, non-stop I couldn't go how many times do you think you've been arrested?

12:44I think about 60 times 60? yeah 60 I got a big criminal record yeah I've been jailed about 15 times no 15 separate times? 15 sentences yeah give me an example give me an example of give me an example of some of those 15 sentences what are they for well the biggest one I got 13 years it's my last one so I got done for section 18 so I whacked someone with a bat I could have got it wrong but I thought he set me up to get robbed by some other kids we ended up turning it round I got the geezer with a bat and batted him I got 9 years for that and then how old were you when you batted him I was 22 so I got sentenced when I was 22 and where were you based in work Southend basically Southend yeah and what was that what was that over what was that over it was sort of a gang I had beef with some other kids they've sort of come at me I was I was going to sell to the matey some of the boys I got beef with happened to be there they've come and tried doing me with the bat I didn't actually come with the bat they've dropped the bat we've chased them off I'm raging I'm pissed off I've just been set up couldn't get the geese I got beef with and this geese I wanted bad I lost my time I was a bit drunk I just battered the geese and that a thought set me up Could have got it wrong because apparently he didn't set me up.

13:56So, mate, it was just booze and whatever. Shouldn't have done it. Obviously, he's like, I've got no bad feelings for the geezer. He's done it. He's fucking grasped me up, whatever. But here I am now. I need that sentence because I was lost. See, back then, I could have got a bigger sentence. What did you do? Did you four and a half out of the nine? No, because I got four years on top of that. So I got 13 for drugs, selling drugs. But yeah, so I got 13 years. So you got a nine for that and they'd done you for four on top. consecutive they give me fall on top because I got done for a second occasion selling drugs track an area that's my main one yeah and I was selling a bit of coke on the side but yeah I ain't proud of it I ain't needed to say yeah that's the way forward but at the time I didn't know much better I've always sold drugs all my life always fucking I've been a robber do you know what I mean I've just been a scumbag basically but first I was a little menace even in jail so hold on let's break this back you've got a 9 and a 4 added together as 13 13 so I did 6 and a half years of that and you went in at 22 come out at 28 and a half roughly around that okay where were you what prisons did you do in that period started on Chelmsford and then I was in Bullendon because I got caught up I think I was in Ellsbury yeah Ellsbury went to Bullendon and then back and forth in Chelmsford and then I got sentenced I went to Loudon Grange that's a B-cat so that's anything over 10 years you go to them jails I was there for about 4 years come to High Point and I was around a few jails getting kicked out of other jails I was in Lincoln for a bit but my main one was Loudon Grange done four years then I went to higher point done about two years in there what was the worst one of the lot going up north I'm not too sure I've always been I've been hands I'm not a prick do you know what I mean so I've never been in trouble in jail do you know what I mean not because I walk around like I'm hard as fuck I think because I'm a big fella I'm not coming up how big are you how tall are you 6 '4 6 '4 and weighing in at what 120k ok about 19's 19's yeah but I've always been like mate I've sort of I've known how to play the game I've been in jail from 12 years old so I know everyone in prison do you know what I mean like every jail I go to I'm like oh fucking hell what are you doing here do you know what I mean everyone just fucking all over the gaff yeah I just done my sentence but when I went to Loudoun I knuckled down done on my gym course I was around the right people I wanted to fix up when I got out I kind of had the plan do you know what I mean I wanted to do social media and then fucking somehow like I watched a documentary but I only found I thought fuck it I'll do that and then somehow it all just got put to me like lucky enough and then fucking just started blowing up through that made my money through that had a good life I had a bird at the time as soon as I got out I had a bird for four years I've sort of messed about I'm not with her no more and then fucking I was doing my thing now now I'm just living my life like as a man should yeah yeah yeah so in that in that time when you were in Nick yeah do you come across anything anyone starting on you any trouble anyone pulling anything out on you or were you like keep yourself to yourself or were you bowling around like you do on social media or just not not as much no not really because there was a couple like I remember I had a fight with a few black kids I must have smacked one and it turned out he's fucking gang boss this that and he's got a lot of clout they blocked me off and then when I was getting shipped out they swagged me up north because I was I was literally banned from every wing there was no wing I'd go to everyone's putting my name in left right and centre because half the time like people come in I was a big name in there and I was on the same wing like and everyone knew me from that jail I was in there for a bit I was doing bits I was active the gov like and I mean when I went block because I had a man this with his kids and when I went block they was like what are you up to this is like Malsey bang on this gov I said what do you mean he said you're involved in this that people are saying you're bullying them you're people saying everything I could be involved in even though it's bullshit I've been involved like people just put your name in for no reason so say someone's a bit scared I was on like a rough ring rough wing but my name's the baitest name in the jar but certain kids your name's what my name was the baitest it's most like everyone knew me that jail this is a chance when I first went in and then fucking people are coming to the jail they're scared to come off induction wing they don't want to come to my wing so ultimately they'll give my name so about 150 people are giving my name so I can't go to any other wing because I've got all this beef around the whole jail that I ain't got and then after time the screw knew they said go on what does Charlie look like then what does Charlie look like they can't describe me because it's actually bullshit but that's what jail is like you do get people you sell a bit of grub to someone they're saying you're bullying you get a load of fucking were you serving up in jail I've sort of yeah I had my hands in whatever yeah and how are you getting it in parcels through there was yeah there was stuff going on through the screws over the top there was screws mate people get stuff anywhere possible so you get visits you get thrown over you get fucking you get screws bringing in whatever do you know what I mean there is like it's actively if you want something you can get it do you know what I mean but certain jails like Chelmsford I've always I know everyone in there I've always been in there so you say you know everyone how many people roughly would there be in Chelmsford I'm not talking about everyone no I know but I'm saying how many roughly would there be in Chelmsford do you know I think it's a thousand or something is it yeah but yeah because and how would you explain like now like what are you 32 how would you explain now like a 21 year old 23 year old serving up he's going to get caught one day how do you explain to them what it's actually like what they're going to experience once they get a 7 or an 8 mate it's hard to mate they're just see chatting to kids because I go to Southend a lot and there's loads of kids just they're literally on the same estate where I'm from they're literally in the same town where I'm from but they're more ruthless now they've got big choppers they're naughty little cunts but when I'm trying to talk to them they've got no they don't care about the future that's what I was like when I was that age so me trying to explain look come on get off the roads like how are they going to get off the roads at that age I mean you need to want to do it for yourself you need to take yourself away from all that but there's not much opportunity now is there there's not a lot of money going on in the fucking council no one helps no one helps at all so it is like you can say all this shit the same as someone saying it to me but all I know is how to get money myself how else am I going to go legit all of a sudden get a job and all that bollocks yeah when it is quite hard to get a job unless you're labour and all that bollocks but it's mate I would love to be a youth worker and just actually tell people what I've been through like that I tried doing that when I first come out of jail because I was on ORF they said I'm not a good character so they don't OnlyFans I was doing it with probation as soon as I come out I wanted to be a youth worker started making money through that and then because I'm doing that they said you pick one or the other voluntary youth working or make money doing that so I said obviously I need to make money like what am I going to do like just I'll probably be back in jail but I took a couple classes I was trying to speak positive as a kid and I see it like kids don't know but do those kids look at you and go they probably look at it's 30 or whatever we're doing our thing they love it I think or do they now in my area they love big stacks yeah of course because they're now on social media they can see everything you're doing well I'm like I say the wrong shit like I've got banter a lad a kid would like it so there's a lot of kids that do love me but I'm probably a bad role model do you know like the way I do it like yeah go on lads fuck girls go on fuck a brass do this do that yeah I shouldn't be saying that I care but it's half a joke half a joke it's not a fool joke but do you know what I mean I just I don't know I probably ain't the right person to to look up to do you know what I mean you could be I could be mate I am going to be you could be yeah I will be you got it in you because you got the right character just a bit of direction I don't know what direction you're getting in at the moment but tell me about the tell me about the boxing going fighting on misfits on what 13th of June 13th of June yeah so against who you fighting Arms Arms Corleone do you know Arms no so he's a bodybuilder he's a big boy he's similar same height as me absolute massive easy into fitness like we're both it will be a good fight do you know what I mean because we're both fucking units it's on the same card as Eddie Hall and Tommy Fury so it's going to be the massive card nearly sold out already it's in the AO Manchester Arena so it's going to be a big fight and this is my first fight so knowing all this talking shit I need to fucking I need to show up I need to show up but can you fight?

22:14I'm a fighter yeah I can't lie I'm not a boxer I've just started learning and I could half throw hands. Do you know what I mean? But, mate, I can't fight, but I try to spoil Paul Venice. Yeah. It was funny because he was virtually impossible to hit me. And he's not hitting back, but he's just showing me, if you wanted a shot, bang, show him. And I'm trying to hit him back, he's just moving about. He's a good fighter. He's a very good fighter, yeah. And it was, it embarrassed me a little bit, yeah, but I know for a fact, in this game, I know I'm not the hardest, I know a certain man I wouldn't get in the ring with.

22:42Do you know what I mean? Obviously, amateur fighters, yeah,

22:48I've always been a banger I've always had the fucking the one bang on me do you know what I mean so now as you're putting it in the ring now I'm just focused I'm training do you know what I mean how long have you been training for for this well like three weeks are you are you going I'm going to carry on what are you going what are you going there with the attitude what did they do did you approach misfits or did they approach you and say there was something that happened with me and arms there was another boxing event I've got an event I always chat bear shit on the mic I start calling everyone out fucking about it people take it serious people don't but I've said arms what are you saying you're pushing like come on I'll smash your head in he's jumped in and he sort of said yeah what so we're having a face off we're trying to get something going and then he said fuck it let's go now and he's trying to take me down but as he's trying to take me down I've got him a choker and I've got him in a mad head like he can't get out so that's where the beef started because it got numbers and numbers and numbers Mitch's probably see it probably knows we're both big on their social media they want to see it happen and so does everyone everyone wants to see this is a fight because I'm not fighting no pussy I'm not this is my first fight and obviously I'm fighting a tough opponent so now people are half want to see me get banged as well of course they do how many fights has he had I think he's had two boxing matches he's had a K fight but he's an athlete if you see him train he's a fucking athlete he's a machine of a man I'll give him that but I don't think he's got the same heart as me personally he's not been brought up the way I've been brought up I know boxing is totally different but I feel like I've got more in me Have you got the discipline in that fight or are you just going to go swinging I'm just going to hold him back I'm just going to see how he if he's throwing bangs I'll be throwing do you know what I mean just see let's just I'm going to work it out when I get in the ring because you can say you're going to do this until you get in the ring until you know what he's going to do then probably you have to either defend or come out I'll feel his power I'll feel mine then we're going to know each other You know what's going to be interesting that feeling you're going to get before you're walking into the ring a mad feeling because it's not no little event it's going to be one of the biggest events ever it's nearly sold out it's one of the biggest arenas in the UK what are we talking 20 ,000 in there is it 20 ,000 Manchester can you have a look we're interested to find out the AO and it's nearly sold out and mate Tommy Fury's going to be there Tyson Fury's going to be there everyone's loads of celebrities going to be there to watch us and there's a few other big fights as well you fancy your chances I do I'm excited as well to see what I've got and I know once I've punched him up or KO'd that cunt yeah but I'm I'm just winning now from now on so there's no losing in my head I can't lose that's it what sort of training are you doing I'm doing a lot of cardio a lot of sparring at the minute so I'm just getting out but it's I'm sparring guys that are a bit shorter than me so it's very hard for them to get in so I need to work out arms I know he's my size so it might be the same you know what I mean has he got the same reach I think so I think so he's a big boy and what fight what are you on the undercard for Eddie Hall and Tommy Fury yeah yeah yeah the fight before or the two fights before I'm not too sure oh ok yeah I'm not too sure whether or not are you getting paid for it yeah those are right yeah but I'm I'm going to be signed to Misfits for another three fights so no matter what who's that KSI is it it's not KSI anymore I think Andrew Tate's got a part of it I know that but KSI might have it I'm not too sure but I know yeah Misfits is the biggest social media influence the thing you want to be on the exposure you get from that of course that is the one so happy days you know what I mean I've talked my shit out of the way to the top mate fair play yeah yeah that's it fair play all from the back of a couple of videos on the thing yeah yeah what is the what is the fear you have some mornings you're not going to wake up feeling bubbly every morning like yeah I'm going to make people laugh there must be times when you wake up sometimes you can't be fucked do you know what I mean me I've had recently I've just had girls wrapped around me and girls are weirdos they like they're fucking do you know what I mean like they give me grief for what I'm doing all that shit and I can't be arsed that's why I've just locked everyone off and just mate I'm tunneled all the way through now that's it because it's it's just mentally draining you know what I mean I'm like fucking no cancer

27:01have you done any porn before yeah that's what I do now yeah not well yeah I collab with women and yeah I shag women and put it over the net yeah so it's a mad one but I'm stopping that as well I can't be arsed I'm wasting my energy and I need to be focused on other things you get distracted see when you're so focused on pussy and all that you just you're constantly trying to set things up at the moment because I'm at the top I'm nominated for the best fucking male creator of the year soon it's a porn award I'm getting up for do you know what I mean so a lot of girls want to work with me now it's hard to turn down but I'm going to have to I need to be focused on this that's it I can't just be focused on girls I can't be asked for it yeah yeah yeah what about Bonnie Blue you've been Bonnie Blue I've got a collab booked up we're actually doing something with her assuming me and my pals but I might pull out man yeah yeah because I don't see the point do you feel like your life is going in the right direction right now like after being come out of 20 it feels that way doesn't it yeah have you got someone in your world who can guide you or you just guide yourself there is I guide myself because once people guide me the wrong direction and they think I'm like they want me to be this other character which I'm not I'm big stack they don't understand my character so I had a manager weren't working out he kept wanting me to do other things didn't really want to do and then since he was like pointing me away from certain things but when I went to it blew me up more so I know where I'm going to go I know and I've always somehow I've always won do you know what I mean I'm not saying that big headed but I've always somehow I've come out the better the better one even when I'm right down in the end I'll turn it around and get up because I'm quite a positive person as well I never stay negative I never think everything's against me if I lose a few grand I'm just thinking fuck it I made a few grand this month what the fuck's it lost for do you know what I mean so good attitude to have yeah that's the best that's how you gotta be man because mate so many of my pals are negative or whatever or people I can't be around I can't be around it stop moaning man get on with it but I get it because certain my life's alright at a minute and obviously since I did have a girl best relationship I could have ever been in yeah but me personally I'm not ready for a girlfriend like it's not me I'm not ready to settle down so I mean until I am yeah I'll settle down I want to roll back before you were 22 when you took the baseball bat what damage did you do to that lad I broke his kneecaps and I fractured his skull and obviously there was damage to his face as well yeah bro did you see red missed yeah because I probably would have killed him because I basically put his head on the curb and just smashed it off the curb it was bad and it was on the fucking motorway I've turned around there was police sirens right there and it was funny like two people was with me sort of told me I didn't clock the feds I would have got arrested for that or I would have carried on but they sort of ran over to me but the two people I was with come running as well and they said oh yeah and I looked up see old Bill I ran off but the old bill actually thought them boys chased me off so he was at the scene he was sort of like trying to like when the guy woke up the police was there trying to look at the guy to say look you ain't saying nothing whatever and the guy was alright like oh yeah don't worry I thought he wasn't going to grasp me out but I think his bird got into his ear and he said fuck that he got a bit of combo do you know what I mean he grasped me out but I did deserve it anyway because you did or didn't I did I did do you know what I mean I've done it and now I'm not 100 % that he set me up but at that time even a couple of weeks later I was I definitely thought he set me up until I made up with a kid years later I made up with a kid that IB for that actually come with a bat and I said did thingy set me up like did he line me up that day and he said nah and I said it was a bit coincidental he said we were just driving past we see you there do you know what I mean but in my head I was a bit drunk and I thought how the fuck did he know I was there and I thought we got set up so I've just done the geezer and yeah I regret it I do regret it but there's no point regretting anything but that might have been the thing that changed you and slowed you down it did whether that happened then it was going to happen at some point something it would have been worse because I didn't have like I didn't like life I was on the roads I was selling drugs I had beef a lot of people in my area I couldn't give a fuck about beef no more beef is shit

31:28Charlie Robert: beef is just pointless you go to jail and it it absolutely me out I got away from people when I come out had a bit of dough and I've just started doing my thing now I'm like I'm fully legit yeah do you know what I mean yeah happy days fuck with that tell me about before you got banged up at 22 tell me some other what you got nicked for growing up like from petty things that grew into something what was the what was the next biggest sentence you had underneath that I think I got two years for some Lufthuanians got stabbed yeah but they took me as a racist it was in South End basically me and my two of my mates we walk down the road we see Lutheranians I was like yes I was trying to be nice to them yes mate and then there was a bit fuck off you like there's fucking hard cunts yeah didn't really want to fuck them and then being dickheads must have punched one of my mates whatever carried on walking seen them again they are obviously the mate we were younger I was like what 18 19 tried it again but in town we had a lot of guys in town that was our gang our gang was based in town walked up the road and we see about five six of our mates and then they've walked past but they've been mugging us off all night yeah so as you are you're your pals now you are this fuck do you know what I mean so gone out waited for that side a couple of my mates had nice on him I didn't know he was nice so I'm like yo these guys have been trying it yeah now we've got numbers we could probably defeat them yeah but they was big Lutheran and geezers when they've come out I said what are you saying now and then one of them was having it with us all the other one my mate stabbed I didn't know he stabbed him stabbed him in the arm the geezer ran off yeah so we're having it in one we did rush him there's a few of us against him obviously yeah we weren't the right thing to do but this cunt was hands on yeah he's fighting us all I've managed to get into the floor he's on the floor we're punching and kicking him my mate's stabbing him I didn't know he's stabbing him he's stabbing him stabbing him stabbing him in the back in the back yeah and then I was on MDMA I remember and I'm just seeing blood slowly and I looked at my mate who's Somalian and he's like smiling at me I said you're a fucking dick I don't like that shit yeah do you know what I mean I was like you're a prick what the fuck are you doing because obviously I'm involved in this now and then obviously next day arm police come they all rage us out I got Nick for the stabbing at first they can see in the camera I didn't actually stab the geezer but obviously we all gone down for the same offence kind of thing what did you all get each I think I got two do one and then he the stabber he was quite young at the time he got four years then he got deported after that but fucking yeah it was just pointless four don't seem a lot does it now he wouldn't get a four but I think but the way this Lutheranian geezer the way he portrayed it it weren't the way it was like even online it was apparently a racist attack for no reason we just come being racist it wasn't that at all the geezer was fucking he was trying it twice before that we've rushed him but everyone plays the victim in court he must have got a combo he's never been done so he said we've just started him it was a racist attack even though half of the boys we were with all different nationalities it weren't no racist attack do you know what I mean but yeah fuck it and before that one so how old were you then 18 18 and before that what were we getting nicked for before that were you just a nuisance around South End basically I've always always fighting like I love a scrap yeah and yeah it was normally like every time I go out every time we're having drinking my pals I'm breaking people's jaws I'm doing this I'm doing that do you know what I mean after the time and a couple times I've gone to parties I'm always like I promise you now I'm not the troublemaker I walk in a party because my name is so bad in South End you're not coming in you're just going get out you're going to call and I'm like oh shut up man please look we're being good and the girls are trying to fucking hit me and do this and then in the end we just have a massive fucking punch up in the party and I'm getting arrested for it but twice it's happened and it's like I've been done for like seven assaults at one time because everyone hit me like even the girls if you punch me I'm going to slap you back like I'm not getting punched or bottled by a girl and then obviously my name in Southend back then even now I was a scumbag do you know what I mean that's what everyone thought because half of the story like people come up to me what did you cut cut someone's face half it was bollocks but the way my name was portrayed in Southam so I'm the worst of the worst of the worst why do you think your name's portrayed that way is it because you're a big lump everyone spots you and you were cocky at the time no because I was a bad kid were you cocky with it though yeah because I was I wasn't a dickhead like in my area like if I had something to prove like there's not one man at my age at that age that could beef me like I'm not saying because I'm the hardest man but I was more hands hands on than them and like from my from my size I was a big kid I used to have a a big firm behind me I mean there's not really a lot of people that could beef me at the time so half the time we're going we're going parties and it's hard because we was involved in gangs yeah I got a gang injunction I was always with like Somalian kids Asian kids and all that shit we was classed as gang because we were in town we was drinking we was fucking about them lot was robbing I didn't ever rob people but them lot are having street robberies so that's our gang all our gang affiliate we're doing robberies we're selling drugs we're doing that so it's a gang like in the police's eyes like I don't get in a gang injunction but our sort of names we used to be the estate kids like everywhere we go we're getting invited to some parties and it's full of normal kids when we go people are scared automatically and then people it just kicks off like we're not even trying to kick it off but it does when it happens obviously and then we do some shit people get stabbed or whatever happens and then it's always oh Charlie because I was the biggest name it's always mine name that just okay it was the worst so but i've never like my my i've always been judged now i'm doing something called right but i'm still getting judged anything i do i get judged but you've got remember right charlie everyone gets judged yeah you'll get judged for doing putting yourself out there someone get judged for doing nothing someone get judged for trying something everyone's judging you'll probably judge oh i don't judge yeah yeah you're probably judged oh what judge judged yeah by people about a podcast or anything a podcast host or whatever yeah get a real job do you know what I mean like people's got to say saying it that's a little dig there wasn't it do you want to have a tear up yeah yeah we can do if you want you fancy it do you think you could do me in a tear up like seriously I reckon I reckon I'll fucking give it a good go I reckon I could tie my hands behind my back mate I'll wrap you I'll fuck it I'll wrap you up outside I have no limbs mate get me on the floor and I'll have you wrapped up do you want to go yeah let's go then yeah fuck it Go on then.

37:53Go on. Mate, pause this. Go on then. Walk out. You actually want to go? Yeah, mate. Come on then.

38:01Well, what was the point in that? That was a fucking easy win, if I'm telling you. As soon as I walked there, I'm so sorry, Stax. All right, all this bonnet. Mate, you just said to me. Oh, fuck off. You went, mate, I've got to fight. You said to me. Have we been serious yet? No, no, I wasn't. You said I've got to fight in two weeks. You lot have got to fight. You can't do nothing. I said I'd fucking, I'd definitely wrap you up. But I told you no limbs. Mate I'll wrap you up on the floor get me on the floor with you why did you say sorry why did you apologise do you know what you said to me what you were like mate please don't do this to me I've got a fight in two weeks you cannot damage stacks don't fucking bite it just because we're on just because we're on you're funny does I'll give you that but yeah so not even the sweat broken not even the sweat broken you do look a bit sweaty you now would be the second hardest man in the UK I'll say I'm still the first to be honest tell me tell me your world like now how do you feel now like you've I can see what you've gone through yeah and I know what you've gone through I'm buzzing I see you've got you've got a proper nice personality to you right yeah you just focus it in the right way I think you could be massively onto something here I reckon I can because I get along with anyone yeah I see that like it's so like I get like I'm a people's person even in jail same thing yeah do you know what I mean the worst criminal like I get along with anyone so it's when I go to events some people like I overturned because I'm such a nice I'm a nice guy yeah deep down and then people are like fuck it I thought you were like knobbed online do you know what I mean so it is like sort of coming in the right way the beauty of doing this podcast people are going to see the real you yeah of course not the 30 second clip of top off I still get hate though I still get hate can you get hate from this half every podcast I go to people say oh I want to be bad man yeah oh he's lying about the stories I tell you I don't see the point in lying about some crime that I wish I didn't do personally.

39:48Do you know what I mean? There's no point. But just people think I'm trying to play this hard man, which I'm not. The hardest man here is a joke, but I have actually been through it. That's why I know how to handle myself. You're not like coming here as an actor at 32 and I haven't had a past. You've had a past. Yeah, I've had a bad past, yeah. And I am a violent man and I do enjoy fighting. And I would love to see boxing for me. You're having to tear up and I like having to tear up and you're not getting arrested. but having a tear up on the street is very different I know but when you're going in a couple of weeks mate you're going to feel all sorts before getting in that ring now of course listen I probably ain't got a lot of time yeah to try like I didn't I'm not ready for a fight when I got called it was six weeks time do you know what I like about this is you're like I don't care get me in the ring yeah I'll just do it are you doing it because I want to get you more more exposure as well no because that's what that's what they said to me they said do you know how exposure you're going to be I'm like right now I'm probably one of the exposed guy on it I don't need exposure do you know what I mean but I'm saying you could get exposed it can yeah in the commercial side of things yeah of course I'm getting it for that Misfits is the one you want to get on to it's perfect for that they pay the right though and mate it's going to be a laugh as well do you know what I mean and it's getting viewed by so many people I get a lot of promoters want me on this show and they offer me a lot of money and they'll probably put a numpty in front of me that I'm guaranteed to iron out do you know what I mean with Misfits they're not doing that I'm fighting a hard fucking fight on but where I'm trying to misfits it's a way forward in life I get it that's what I was going because everyone wanted to miss you even like HS Tiki Toki everyone's trying to fight on my show get this get that and I'm like I'm fighting on misfits even though I didn't get called that name HHS he's another streamer he was on fucking what do you call it Piers Morgan he made Piers Morgan walk out is that him is it yeah that's HS it's his old man he thinks old man rugby player Victor Abugu apparently so I don't know if that's true yeah it is I think he might be yeah it's true is he the lad who went on what's that who's the guy who's the guy who's the guy who's the guy I know you're talking about Netflix the geeky looking guy but he's a good interviewer like he Farouk Louis Farouk oh right okay yeah yeah Louis Farouk okay so he I've been to his shows and he's everyone's trying to get me because they know because everyone knows that he's show because I'm the hardest man and I get a lot of views and all that yeah two heavyweights they've just won their fight I'm just in the crowd enjoying myself I want you a big stack I'm like oh for fuck's sake and then I'm getting arguments here that's what happens every show people try to call me out in a friendly way in a non so friendly way and it's just sometimes I just want to chill I can't be arsed oh people say come and let's wrestle I've been a couple times and some kids I remember last time I was at some event and there's a smaller kid and then they come and my mates video me he was like Stacks I'll wrestle you I'll take you I'll grapple you I'm like oh mate please I'm like you know I'll bat you in second no no 100 % I'm streaming so I don't want to look like a pussy so I'm literally I'm grabbed the kid to the floor got him in a choke so I choked him out yeah he's tapped I'm the bully now because he's a smaller kid I'm thinking I did not go up to this kid I do not go up to people let's have a wrestle come in but non-stop I'm wrestling people it's getting to the point where leave me alone like fuck imagine I get injured over some stupid ego thing people just want to prove I'm an idiot something will happen one day you're aware of that aren't you something will happen one day when you're like oh mate and then something happens and someone's coming I could go back to jail easy I could get but you know what you know what I would do no I'm gonna stop going to these events I'm gonna stop drinking I'm gonna stop going to clubs the other night same thing people just trying to if you stop drinking you ain't gonna get yourself in trouble that's it because if that drink you've had free drinks someone start jail come on in and all of a sudden you could lose the highs you're going on at the moment and you don't want to do that because take away the bravado and take away your past you're actually you've got a good heart on you right now as the age you're at now but it's hard for what I've done the hardest man in the UK is sort of I'm playing with fire do you know what I mean and it's going to have every event and me I like going to the scattyest events with the roughest people on purpose because that's my thing people love me in them events but you get the odd dickhead I want to fuck about I'm around fights but where I stream that's what my viewers like to see because that's my personality but eventually I ain't going to have to do that anymore do you know what I mean once I'm set I'll do it a bit more PG and at the moment I'm building my brand I'm building the view but if you're building your brand you've got to protect your brand yeah of course you've got to protect it at every angle I've done too much where my brand's not protected anyway do you know what I mean nah here so it's like I've overdone it have you got any guidance have you got anyone that you trust who's been there and got the t-shirt and go do you know what Charlie you need to do this slow down on that and do that you haven't I'd be having a look I'd be at my advice eventually business advice I know someone's going to come someone's going to approach me and want to manage me a bit better and put me in a ride.

44:43I've just done a YouTube, yeah? I've just done a perfect video. It's funny, everything. Like, it's viewable. Even when I watch it, I've all fucking done my editor. I've done a fucking blinder, yeah? But it's like, where I've got so much, because I'm a kick streamer, I'm a YouTuber, I'm an Instagram, I'm a TikToker, I've got all this shit. Who's doing that for you? Me, myself. So you're doing everything across all the channels? Yeah, and it's like... So give me an example. Give me an example of, for the listener and out there, if they don't know who you are, what you do what do you actually do I say it's lads comedy yeah like I'm slightly a comedian not in a sense but I just play about I raise baby I wind people up and it's funny winding people up because you get a lot of reaction but people know I'm joking and I have banter with other people and you know I'll go up to Martin Ford fucking 7, 8 foot and I'll say to him what and he turns around and I shit myself do you know what I mean it's funny shit like that I do like it's just comedy shit what were you doing the other day that I saw you giving sweets oh to little man yeah so little man is a fucking little gangster midget yeah little black he's a dwarf hard as fuck nice lad yeah he's sick but he's a gangster he's literally a bad man only because he's small but he's literally he's fucking he'll type it he's a little cunt yeah obviously he's got his hood up but I pretend to be a yeah I can't really set a bread yeah I said hello little boy do you want some sweeties yeah I'm fucking about and he's turned round obviously little gangster boys are down got mad and chased me and booted me yeah I ran off yeah like just funny shit like that because we were like what the fuck is he doing and then they're sitting there and thought oh this guy's funny because he attracts attention is it a nice feeling for you when someone sees you being who you are and then you know they're thinking is he for real who is he who does he think he is and then actually you meet them and they go he's actually a good bloke that must be a nice feeling nowadays it's everywhere I go I get so much love do you know what I mean give me an example like every boxing event I go to yeah I'm like one little bit I would say the biggest star there as soon as I walk in Stacks can we get a photo of Stacks I love you mate can you have a photo of me and I just have banter with everyone see me I'm very I'm a banterist kid yeah so we're fucking about having a good time but then you get the odd dickhead because I didn't know a couple of my people that was with me there's one kid come up to yes bro what my pal's fighting da da da on stream obviously people call me yes big Stacks is here everyone's half getting excited and this guy drunk guy he's like he's a puss yo he's not saying it to me he's a put on camera when I've got in the ring obviously my people was pissed off but they didn't tell me because I would have been pissed off myself and I've got in the ring this kid's going to fucking put because they're saying the hardest man in the UK he's like the hardest puss yo he's shouting I'm not hearing it I'm having it off in the ring then obviously but certain times you do get negative energy some other kid walked past him two numpties like and he goes oh there's that idiot yeah I was like no what did they say they called me saying it and I was like what and then I've called me again but mate I'm like you fucking little shit and I have to hold myself like these I'll break and it's it's like it's so hard to fucking do something mate you need you need someone I've got now hear me out hear me out on this as a businessman talking to you and helping you isn't someone who's older than you yeah cool Trust me.

48:07Find someone. I will. Let me speak. Let me speak. I promise you, find someone who's going to protect you, protect your name, protect your brand, help you and guide you so you don't need to be going to that. You don't need to be going to that. If you're going to that, you're going to get paid that. Yeah, of course. You need someone like that because if you're just going to everything, somewhere, someone around the UK will want to make a name for themselves and something will happen. And if something happens to you, you're going to lose the plot. You're going to go mental. You're going to get banged up.

48:33I'm not saying is going to get banged up but something will happen and come back and then you could lose you could lose what you've built up over the last couple of years overnight I'll be in jail I'll be in jail for nothing you don't need that a lot of people are trying to they're trying to do something they don't want to see me people don't want to see you succeed there'll be a lot of people who want to see you succeed like me now hearing you and the route you're going down I want you to be a massive success I get it do you know what I'm saying but you need someone you need to find someone not in your circle not in your circle because they'll have you back but someone who's someone who's out there They're going, do you know what?

49:03I'll manage you. But when someone manages you and you get on well with them, you've got to respect them and go, if that's what you're saying, I'll go with what you're saying. And then I think you can protect your brand. You can build your brand. And then you're actually earning proper dough. You're going, you want a PA? I'll do a PA at that bank. I'm three grand. I'm five grand. Do you want me to do that? I can turn up there, but that's my price on that one. And all of a sudden, someone can protect your brand and protect you. I've recently just got a management. They're literally, they're making the deals for me.

49:30Anything comes, because normally I'll make it, I don't even know what they're making but are they people who is there one is there one person who you can look at as a role model or someone who's a mentor or someone go do you know what you've got my back if you're saying if you if the skis are saying Charlie do me a favour mate do that that and that and you follow him you go oh this is working for me that's what you need but the problem is I'm just starting to grow so now I can't have all that do you know what I mean I need to grow more by doing these no mate no mate don't think that no mate I've been throwing 30 years throwing parties events world festivals that are people you need someone to come and protect you protect you protect your brand and keep your distance from certain people because if you're just turning up to everything you're not worth as much yeah that is the problem and when you don't when you pick and choose and cherry pick where you want to go and what you're going to do people are going to have to pay for you to be there yeah 100 you know and if you can pay for you to be there you'll be one of the main faces of the show yeah for me put me in a nice hotel don't take the mic put me in a nice hotel look after me a nice bit of food give me a lump that's what I'm due for my personal appearance yeah of course and then do the next one and then before you know it you're getting protected and once you get protected who knows what the opportunities will arise mate it might be a team I need to be more exclusive that's what it is if you're giving out people get access to you the whole time he's turning up he's turning up an envelope do you know what I'm saying of course because that is true but even like I went to Kent the other day then people were like oh come here we'll give you a bottle I've gone there obviously got a bottle I'm drinking so it is easy like when you see me I'm easily accessible that's okay for now someone's giving you a bottle as someone in the club game that's what's costing me 20 quid another 10 quid on drinks round the side and you're there being the fake fuck all that and all of a sudden you're getting half a bottle of vodka down you Gregory and all of a sudden someone's wound you up and you've done something and you've just lost what you've built in the last couple of years yeah fuck that you don't need to because mate I could the other night it was the same thing few geezers arguing I'm arguing back could have easily gone left didn't go left luckily enough but what's the point that's when I woke up I ain't doing this no more because mate the amount of fights I've got into in the past I could easily get into much more fights because of who I am because of people wanting a video smacking me or doing something oh stick it on me and I'm not going to have it do you know what I mean that's why I thought I ain't going to be around these places anymore man do you know what I mean fuck that unless I'm with a whole team that's going to come and we're doing because I stream as well so when I stream you have to be around give me an example to listen out there well a live stream is me walking around I go to a club I go to certain events like I went to the EDL March the other day I don't support it I'm on mute I don't really understand anything but where it's going to be packed where it's going to be where it's going to be drunk characters or whatever or go to a festival or go to football game do you know what I mean I always have to do something and make it fun because when I'm about it's like other shit happens people have fights people do this and it's good for the stream are you just filming on your phone?

52:20yeah someone films me just live someone's filming you I'm live yeah so then I add other characters in like I do my own football event sometimes so we do a seven aside just content creators first he's probably good footballers and we will fuck about we'll chase like we'll just we'll make it funny do you know what I mean we ain't making it boring so and a lot of people do like tuning in because because of my character a lot goes on and then people want to wrestle me people want to do this and I'm always having dumb arguments and then I get shown a lot of love as well so people appreciate and a lot of like Paul Chowdhury you know Paul Chowdhury no who's that he's an Asian comedian he's massive okay he's come up to me he's started filming me but I don't even know who that is but where he knows me as well and obviously that goes very vile because the way I'm like sorry mate I don't know who you are but he's fucking ten times bigger than me do you know what I mean so it's like because I'm this guy I've got a little bit of clout and everyone knows who I am they do come up to me and it makes it interesting mate I get it you chatting here I totally get it yeah but I'm having see I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't manage her yeah of course just because I'm flat out doing everything else but someone is I was going to say I'm not manageable no no you are no no no you are manageable with that right person that you respect but now I'm manageable see see before are you willing are you willing to slow down of course and go do you know what I need to go in the right direction can someone lead me in the right direction here are you willing for that 100 % I think if you if you nail this bit mate you'll go from there to there really quickly because I need to stop I'm basically living my teenage years now I've missed all the I've just put on my bird so I've been active I've been going to events I've been where I'm it's this big stacks fella like people do bring me in I'm hooked up and then girls are on me and that you know what I'm saying but I've just been living a fucking teenage dream yeah but fuck all that now I'm just locked in now I need to focus on the fighting focus on my career like arms watching arms he don't do petty shit what I'm doing and I think what the fuck am I doing I'm a big man now do you know what I mean so I do need to lock in man I've had my fun I've done whatever I need to do now I need to focus more if you were put in front of the right person and that person didn't know you how would you explain big stacks to that person?

54:27I'm not too sure. I'll just say, look, I'm a council estate kid. I'm a bit rogue. I'm a nice fella, but I said the wrong shit. I mean, sometimes I said the wrong shit on purpose because it's funny. But yeah, that's my character, man. I'm just a boisterous lad. But I'm very bubbly, open. I'm a big character. And I'm the hardest man in the UK, of course. That's what I'll say. do you ever do you ever cringe when you say I'm the hardest man in the UK at any point no I think it's jokes you just think full of jokes because people come up to me like everyone knows me for the hardest man oh it's the hardest man in the UK oh it's the hardest man in the UK that's all people say to me sometimes I don't even know my name's big stat it's the hardest man in the UK so it's a laugh because someone with a bird fit bird someone says that I'm like fuck it yeah right no one's troubling you is there Is there any fellas around the UK who have called you out?

55:21You've gone, oh mate, I don't think they've got this. I don't think they've realised I'm actually taking a micking. Is there anyone that sticks out and thinks, do you know what? I could get myself in trouble here. I need to have a word to say I'm just mugging around. Yeah, there's a few like... Go on. There was, this guy, I don't really want to promote his name here, but he's, I don't really like him to be honest, but he kept coming, like, I already told him, mate, it's a joke and he kept trying to mug it on the internet and all that and trying to get views and you could tell he disliked me because I've blown up and he's probably tried fucking working all his life and he ain't done it so you get a lot of jealous people a lot of jealous people at the moment I've got some Scottish kid it's a laugh but so he's calling out me Luke Dyson everyone with a big name big platform he's just no offence he ain't got no followers he's half a nobody but he's like he has big stacks he's got some fucking fake MMA belt he said I'm the hardest man in fucking Scotland I want to take you I'll smash your head in you're the hardest man and I think fuck off what am I going to get from fighting you do you know what I mean I want a big platform I want to fight someone on my level I'm not just because there's loads of people that hold it every time I go live on say I'm live on TV I've got 500 people 400, 600 people watching and I've got about 20, 30 of them saying I'll fight you come meet me for a straight I'll fight you come and meet me prove you the heart and I think what am I going to get from that give me an example of when you've really blown up of something you've said or something you've done or a live that you've done where you've gone, oh my God, have you seen the numbers on this?

56:48Gone wild across TikTok or across Instagram, et cetera. It's events I go to. Every time I go to a boxing event, when I stream, because a lot happens, so people want to play, fight me, people want to punch, people start fighting each other because I go to northern, big northern events and they're full of nutters. They all love me, but it's full of nutcases and they're all fucking sticking on each other and all that. And every time I go to that type of event, it blows up because I'm live streaming the whole event. Everything's happening people getting robbed for their chain people getting fucking done people getting knocked out like and obviously I'm just I'm a big like bubbly bit I'm just laughing I'm filming look at that what happened it's obviously people enjoy it but the clippers because people do want to see that's the shit that goes viral like big fight big scraps big scatty people odd cunts so you're banging it up live and then there's people out there people out there watching it and they're just banging it up on their channels yeah they're banging up all the channels because clippers get paid for every certain amount of views and me I'm very clippable like if because go to the man and I'll say the man is shit it's quite funny and I'm always around big characters and obviously where I'm an influencer I'm with a load of other influencers with big names so half the time I get them on my stream I get other girls on my stream I get do you know what I mean so people know people watch me so loads of clippers come do you know what I mean so for me I ain't even got to do nothing anymore because old men come up and say hey it's you from YouTube do you know what I mean or and I get kids come up and say hey I see you on TikTok and that do you know what I mean but it's funny like kids like me as well like a lot of kids come up and say hey I'm the hardest man and try to punch me and I'm like go on son do you know what I mean you could really turn this you could really turn this it's turning around yeah I can see this as far as it's negative but at the minute it's turning around it's a positive thing because I've got a lot of fan base behind me now innit but you get the old dickhead you get a lot of haters trying to expose you for certain shit do you know what I mean like so how do you think do you think like if you're 16, 17, 18, 19 or that would anyone see you like looking up to you as like I think he could be a good role model most of my mates that I know all their kids love me so when I see people that I know from their state or whatever they're like fucking hell Charlie like I say I know you and that and what you've come from and people because they're coming from the same background and they've probably seen me I've made something out of my life so they're probably they probably look up to that do you know what I mean if he could do it because mate I come from nothing from the age of 10 I had nothing at all at the house I was on the council estate mum turned to drink I had to get food myself do you know what I mean and my whole lot even when people come up to your mummies I'm like you do not my life yeah because I carry myself alright now I'm well groomed and that do you know what I mean people just think I should be a scum if I'm a scumbag I should look like them yeah yeah yeah but yeah I think you've got a good relationship with your old dear yeah at the moment yeah I have yeah but at that time I always have had a good relationship but obviously she weren't in the best place she sorted herself out do you know what I mean but at the time she couldn't cope do you know what I mean like when my dad died she just she didn't really know how to manage six kids do you find do you find now with being who you are do you find that people wanted to collab with you everyone wants to collab with you they want a lot to collab do you it's funny even the girls now I've blown up in the social media world because that's what we're about it's about views you get a lot of girls I wanted to collab with now they want to collab with me do you know what I mean like I've reached out to them now they've seen a bit of clout oh my god yeah do you want to fancy a club and I think fucking if you could wave a magic wand Charlie what would you want your life to look like in maybe a year two years time just to go down the right route and obviously be a better role model to a lot of people and change a lot of people's lives because I've always been a youth worker I wanted to do youth work do you know what I mean so if I can it'll be helping people out do you know what I mean just not be selfish do you know what I mean just try to use this to guide people in the right way or try to open up a charity boxing gym or something for the youth to come in and all that because yeah I think I'm going to do a lot man because I've got the right people I know you think obviously I ain't but I've got the right people in my ear as well I know I'm sure you've got a quality bunch of pals around I ain't saying that I bet you've got quality men they want to they want to guide me to the right direction because they know where I can go you just need that one person yeah of course who you trust I need someone with a bit of maybe clout in the street or anything of course and someone who's got some discipline and go, hold on, don't do that.

1:01:09Slow down that and go for that one. And I tell you what, I've got your load of bookings for there and there's a guarantee that three, five grand a hit every time you go and do something. That's perfect. And I'm thinking, well, obviously after this misfits, when I'm knocking my hat, obviously I'm going to plant much more. And people are going to recognise me because it's probably getting viewed for it. It's on the zone. So thousands and thousands of people are going to watch it. And it's like me and the beef is already crazy. Is the beef between you both real? or are you like I like him but I've got to get real I don't mind him but it can it can get real because we've both got an ego we both think we're holding each other so it's like none of us are backing down it's not there's war going on now there's not actually a friendship in this game do you know what I mean I think he's a nice fella I rate what he does but I don't give a shit I need to win do you know what I mean it's not about him and then after that fight have they said to you Misfits said after this fight we want to sign you up again do another fight so there'd probably be three fights at the door three fights or four fights would you then the next one go you've done three weeks now six weeks training for a fight you know she'll be banging what 10s and 12 weeks would you then go serious I'm going to stick to it anyway mate I enjoy the training I ain't been through it and mate I'm loving it I've got a good group of boys we'll train with and it's like something to do ain't fucking about it just working with girls going to see birds doing fuck all but I'm quite constructive in my day but this is like it's getting training you're meeting a few lads you're doing normal shit it's nice of your mind and pushing yourself out of the comfort zone as well yeah I need a hobby man my hobby is just walking around the streams in Soho with birds or I'm lining up at certain events like it's boring I'm drinking a lot it's not for me I want to do something positive for my mind and my body innit so yeah happy days good for you man come on come on you want to go again come on yeah yeah yeah let's go out there mate I've enjoyed this mate yeah come on yeah I've enjoyed this I can see the journey you're on I can so see it and I see what you've gone through and I see now you come up the other end now I don't think about the past I see that but you've got such an opportunity right now I really hope you get that right person yeah 100 % good man nice to meet you mate nice to meet you nice one for coming down here from Southend yeah that's it you're going to take me back yeah quality good man take care cheers mate

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