#349. Mad Tommy Mac’s Business Partner, Ibiza Party King & Prison - Alan Warman

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0:32Alan Warman: He's only got on the table in the middle of the dinner and had his **** on the table. Tony Pike's gone, get your mate out, he ain't my mate when he does stuff like that. He wasn't called mad Tommy Mac for no reason at all, he was mad. What was it like being business partners with Tommy Mac? It's hard to explain Tommy, I mean people know him, know him. Did he care for his own safety at all? No, no, he got loads of claims. I saved his life so many times, he wouldn't leave. What was it like when you first went to my breakthrough in the sort of late 80s? The early days were special, there's no doubt about that.

0:59Alan Warman: They pretty much let you do anything as long as you behave to zero. Give an example of how hard you used to party at your peak a lot. How would you explain to the listener out there what Pasha was like in those early 90s? My child was the best club in the world. There was no doubt about that. And what sort of DJs have you booked over the years? The likes of Carl Cox we bought over in the early days. All them, you know, Groove Ride, all them guys. Because if they wanted to play in Ibiza, the clubs didn't know who they were. So you were the gateway to go. I was the only one that had any access to the clubs.

1:28and giving Carl Cox his first opportunity. Loco, Sasha. That's proper history, that is. When you look back at how successful they've all been over the years and you've given them that opportunity or seen something in them.

1:37Alan Warman: Have you ever been in trouble while working?

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2:14Alan Warman: Let's roll all the way back. What was it like being business partners with Tommy Mac? Pretty crazy. I mean, you know, it's not someone you would naturally go into business with because he was I mean, he wasn't called mad Tommy Mac for no reason at all. he was mad you know sometimes he put it on sometimes he was just mad so but I met him when I was 14 years old I was my first nightclub I was still at school I went down to it's called Holdfield's Tavern someone told me it was a bit different this dance music was being played there so none of my mates wanted to come didn't think they were going to get in I didn't think I was going to get in turned up got in because I look older from my age first thing I see is this mad ginger person spinning around on the dance floor i got talking to him and we were mates for many many years you know he sadly passed away a couple of years ago yeah how did he pass away you know i don't know i don't know the answer to that one you know i mean he lived a very excessive life yeah you know i mean he'd be at the bar uh and he'll have three drinks and someone said you want a drink and he's always say yes he would never say where did where did your journey start with him then did you go into business from early doors No, no.

3:25Alan Warman: I was 14 when I first met him. So yeah, we used to go out to all the sort of jazz funk parties and Tommy was like one of the best dancers you've ever seen. Brilliant dancer. And I used to sort of go to parties with him. And it weren't till I did a party, my 19th birthday party in my nan's council house back garden. So I ran around and I called it the 44 club, gave out flyers and all these discos and parties we were going to. And 800 people turned up to my nan's bank card. So what came of that was, I said to Tom, I said, if we charge a few quid, you know, a nice few quid and put parties on. That was the beginning of us doing parties.

4:07What year would you start throwing parties properly, like full-time, when you said, well, this is the world I want to be in?

4:13Alan Warman: Okay, so that would have been 1980, Chelsea Football Club. Was it? Yeah, and I always remember Leon Lennox, who my mate who ran the hospitality there. he was the one he always said don't let Ken find out that we're doing what we're doing and for years we did parties at Chelsea Football Club whereabouts because there used to be I used to have a club underneath called Purple Night Club was it before that so they got the stand and there was a trophy room and there was another big room below it so we had the two rooms the trophy room and the room below it and we used to get a thousand people in there brilliant and where were you growing up then me and Tommy are both council lads from West London Tommy was no fault and I was in Southall.

4:53Alan Warman: Okay. Yeah. And how would you explain your world in your 20s? Fun. You know, we had a lot of fun. I mean, you know, hanging around with someone like Tommy as well. He was older than me. So, you know, I couldn't believe it. I was going to all these parties, dancing, girls. Yeah. It was fantastic. Yeah. It was pretty mad though. And what was it like? What was it like when you first went to Ibiza in the sort of late 80s? Because that was very fresh then. People who listen to this might think it's been going on for years and years, but late 80s really was kind of the sort of... Yeah, my first year was 1980.

5:27Alan Warman: So the story of me turning up in Ibiza, two of my friends had booked Ibiza, never heard of Ibiza, and they said, we're going to this little tiny island off of Spain. And they said, do you want to come? I said, but they were going on a Saturday and I was going to arrive on a Sunday. So I went on a Sunday, but got out of the cab, said, take me to where all the English people were. There's no mobiles. You can't get older than other people. so I'm thinking it's a tiny little line I really was thinking it was a tiny little line so we drove over towards San Antonio and I see this concrete jungle and I thought oh no what have I done you know I'm thinking I'm never going to find them never going to find them just driving down the main road see someone I knew in London a girl a bar outside a bar I said stop here he jumps out I said can I leave my cases with you she said yeah so I sat down had a beer with her and like half an hour later I was upstairs with Swedish birds so i thought i love this gaff this is for me quality so so that's that's my first first 1980 was the first year i went obviously went back that year later in so what i did for quite a few years is to go at the beginning of the season the end of the season yeah the way because i loved it so much i immediately knew that i loved this place you know you can imagine 20 years old you know you know i was i was good looking like back then so obviously the girls all these foreign exotic women it was fantastic yeah it was good fun and we used to go every beginning of the season at the end of the season and every time i went back i took more and more people with me so i'll come home raving about arbeta and get yourself we've got to go and then like the next year there was 13 of us you know and every time we just more and more people going was there a point when you actually moved out there we well when we opened up le passion which is in 1990 We bought our own place.

7:17Alan Warman: We were open for six weeks and the authorities shut us down. They never give us any reason to shut us down. They just shut us down. We found out later it was the club owners didn't want us open because we had done a few individual parties with them and they didn't want the competition. That's a competition. They didn't want the competition. So we got this exotic place, swimming pool, roaming pillars around the pool. It was beautiful. We got to use it as a villa. We were at a point actually on the island where we couldn't get off the island because we had no money and at that point i said to tommy we were good friends with brasilio who was running at the time the biggest club in the world it was open air beautiful coup and uh i said we got to go over there and ask for a night like we do in london and uh we went i would strotter i would speak see brazilia brazilian said you know i said give us a night he said what do you mean give us a night i said you know once a week and he sort of thought about it and he went okay yeah well you can have you can have mondays said good luck because no one's in here on a monday it was empty so first night me and tommy ran down every beach every bar we had we'd done a trip called ibiza 90 and there was still some djs left over so obviously we had the djs and stuff called it uh mad mondays local lunis and that was the beginning the first ever promoter on the island of ibiza that was the beginning of that that whole period and what sort of djs you booked over the years well that the right at the beginning i i did a podcast with sasha recently and he uh he first ever gigging ibiza was with me in in coup so it was quite that was quite a big one to get but the likes of cole calks we brought over in the early days and all them you know groove ride all them guys yeah they all came over in the early 90s because if they wanted to play in Ibiza the clubs didn't know who they were so you were the gateway to go I was the only one that had any access to the clubs you know I started off in 1990 doing coup and then went back in 91 coup got closed down because they had to put roofs on them the roof blew off was that 91 was it when the law came in yeah yeah 91 so the roof got blown off just before the season started we'd turn up on the islands you know to do our Mad Mondays and they've got no it's closed lucky enough francisco who who was the pr guy at pachar he said come and do mad mondays with us i think we were relieved yeah so you flipped it straight to passion did you move it straight to passion yeah literally okay you know it we're a bit of a phenomenon in the eyes you've got to remember those days if you put five six seven thousand people in any one venue all the others were empty yeah because it's not like it is today where there's flights flying in and out constantly there used to be flights saturday sunday or wednesday yeah so you know it was you know we had it sewn up you know we literally emptied every other club because we were different we're doing offering something different music we're offering you know different thing i'm going to passion 93 how would you explain that to the listener out there what passion was like in those early 90s when that early 90s when koo got shut down yeah and pachao was the best club in the world there was no doubt about that the the atmosphere when you walked in very spanish all the pillows you know you could lounge around around the place the the dance the dj's pp i mean pp and nalfredo both uh residents uh pacha two of the greatest djs so you know and what's the vibe there like oh it's fantastic because i mean nicky olloway recently said i was one of the first to get the money out of people to make them pay on the door because it was something different what was it then what was it before that then well they all the clubs then used to let all the locals in free okay and they still did my parties but we also had the tourists coming in and paying to come in so you know it evolved it's the early days you've got to remember it's not it's not like it is now where everyone buys a ticket and all that kind of stuff you know we you know i used to be on the door all night long you know vetting people we used to say no some people you know back then they weren't our cup of tea.

11:22What was it like on the island in terms of the amount of tourists from different parts of Europe all flying in from different countries in the early 90s?

11:30Alan Warman: That's what I really liked. When we did our pints in London, it was obviously all English. But as soon as we went to Ibiza... 15, 16 different national audiences, weren't there? It was fantastic. Or Scandinavia. The Germans. They all used to come. That was a great thing. It was a big melting pot of music. Some of the characters you got, there was a lady with a bear on her back called pp you know and she was a nutter and everyone there was another guy we used to call santa whose name was nino a swedish man but he was like in his 60s this great big white beard dancing yeah loving it absolutely loving it yeah so the them early days were special because it was new it was all fresh and new and it was you know a brand new scene basically on that in that scene when everything's new and fresh and people are coming in did you ever get yourself in trouble out there a lot here we go al i i was i was pretty lucky in some ways in some ways even though they shut our club our place down the the because the club owners don't like each other but they come together when they have to to get someone else shut so i had a so i had to get out a jail free card because i used to run around in the jeep loads of girls in the back giving out flyers doing everybody it's all illegal you can't do any of that but we just we just used to do it i mean that we what we first did everyone else copied us later on so you know going down the beaches doing the posters i mean the clubs were already doing posters but not like we we just like yeah and you know going mad running around the island but yeah so but i had to get out of jail free card it was like the club owners would say to the police leave him alone he's doing all right you leave him alone yeah okay and that's i was lucky in that respect.

13:13And did you ever get banged up at all? A couple of times, yeah, but they let you out. Yeah. Or pay them off or? No, no. Just fine. No, no. Slept on the wrist the way you go. Yeah, yeah.

13:23Alan Warman: You're not meant to be doing that. You stay a couple of hours in the cell and away you go. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't doing anything really illegal. You know, I wasn't, you know, selling any drugs or doing anything like that. I was putting people in a venue. That's what I was doing. Putting smiles on faces. Yeah, yeah. And then what was your movement then from the 90s leading up to where you are today in terms of your Ibiza journey. How does that look like for you? Well, no, I mean, you've got to remember I did London. You know, I've done everywhere. I've done the Royal Albert Hall. I've done, you know, String Fellows.

13:50Alan Warman: I've done Hippodrome. I've done pretty much every club in London I've done. So, you know, with Tommy and without Tommy, you know, I've done so many venues and parties over the years. So, yeah, it's always been the underground scene. It's always been the dance music scene. Always been into that. We were talking earlier about the M25 thing. I never went into the sort of, you know, rave in the field type things. Didn't like getting muddy. Yeah, yeah. So I never went down that route because I preferred the nightclub with a bit more comfort, basically. So, yeah, no, the early days were special. There's no doubt about that.

14:25Alan Warman: More freeing, wasn't it? Yeah. What I really loved, you know, we come from England. I went to Ibiza and it was free. I mean, they pretty much let you do anything as long as you behave yourself, you know. And we did. I mean Tommy a story with Tommy we were since the late 80s this is before the dance music the house music and we were on holiday out there and we were on playa den bossa I'll never forget I mean he was ginger freckles ginger chest hair with a thong and not a pretty size he didn't care he didn't care he never cared so he's running around the beach like a loony and he was fascinated by these Spanish fireworks that were really loud for what they were and them days used to lay on the beach and they had these triangle boxes where you put your head on with the pillow on it and it was a hollow so you'd be running around the beach throwing these bangers and they're blowing up people on the beach and the people jumping out of their skins and he's done it to the mayor of the beach we nearly got kicked off the island before we got going did you prefer throwing parties on a beach or in london and where did the brown black and white parties come from?

15:34Alan Warman: Well, the first year the first year when Mad Mondays we called it Mental Mental Productions but in 91 when we got asked to go to Pachar that's when we called it Black and White we also started at Es Parodies the Love Dove Club that's how mad it was our party was after named after Ecstasy that's how mad it was back then and we were very lucky all our nights we were always Ram Jam very, very lucky we used to bring the DJs over from London every week different ones every week and the Black and White parties would be more well we did black and white parties the company was called black and white yeah so but in each party would have a name like mad mondays or loved off club uh but black and white was the company doing the part right okay that's what it was okay and then we went on to do you know royal alberhael black and white all that sort of stuff yeah how much was the royal alberhael to rent ah that was that's another story i mean it was a lot it was i think it was like 90 or thousand just the rent now without all the other what's the cap there five what's the capacity there No, it's not as many as you think.

16:32Alan Warman: Is it not? Well, the last party we did there, they stopped up. Less than 5 ,000. Yeah, it is, yeah. But we put 5 ,500 in there and they didn't like it. We never got it again. Vassal in the door frames, squint them all in. You know, no, but they fitted easy. Yeah. But their license was what? Their license. Three? Three and a half thousand. Okay. And I think we put 5 ,500 in there and we never got it again after that. What made you want to choose the Royal Albert Hall? just because just for the prestigious yes okay yeah you know we'd turn places like string photos which was glamorous sort of places on a thursday night we did for six years yeah we turned it into the trendy place to go to yeah you know it was like it was a cool place to go for it yeah yeah the thursday nights me and tommy did well it was the place to be on a thursday night you know in town and what was peter stringfella like to deal with uh we never had to deal with on a on a business so we didn't deal with peter we dealt with roger he's sidekick um very nice fellow roger i always got him very well with him peter you know i mean after six years peter kicked us out because he said it's not string fellows no more it's tommy and allans so that's what he said that's what he said you know after we got him through the ship period where you know he nearly went under and all the rest of it you gave him another night to take on the bar what are you doing taking the door they take the bar yeah exactly that's exactly the same principle yeah yeah yeah yeah so string friends were a great night yeah and what was your what was your relationship like with tommy because if he was partying hard and you were partying hard there's going to be some clashes along the way well listen we split up so many times you know tommy's antics you know it's funny the first three or four times yeah we've seen him do it a hundred times it's not so funny yeah but yeah he was he was mad so we often split up for different reasons but normally his antics yeah give an example of an antic that you remember oh just you it can be disgusting you know he'd be oh no there's a million things i just don't want to say go on he's gone he's not here anymore so i don't really want to talk bad about no no it's a bit bad about him but i mean because i always saw him from afar he did he did mad things like just for instance we'd be in like string fellows and they're back in the 80s and they're all big hair and he used to smoke and he'd get like five or six straws together and blow that smoke into there just like their ears on fire i mean he's just doing mad things all the time he was mental you know he didn't care he didn't care at all no did he care for his own safety at all no he got loads of clumps i saved his life so many times you wouldn't believe okay you know you've got great big germans in abefa and he's done something stupid and and i'm going i've had to stop and get a good idea you know a few times i had to chase him and get him in head like you know what to calm him down yeah no i did was it was it like no off switch button or there was no boundaries he didn't care he didn't care who was around me i'll do what i want all of the above okay all of the above yeah you know he was he was he really didn't care yeah yeah it's hard to explain to me i mean people know him knowing yeah you know they know what it was like you know i mean he's got people that you know loved him to bits and there's you got the people that hated him because you know the answer how did that feel for you i'll give you 30 of us at a table big long table at pikes tony's there um he was getting up stage he hated getting up stage because it's my birthday he's he's only got on the table in the middle of the of the dinner and had a shit on the table in front of all these people pikes tony pikes gone get get your mate out so he ain't my mate when he does stuff like that but that's that's how he would do it i mean honestly there's levels right oh mate he's the only person i know that would go as far as to tuck himself up to get a reaction out of someone else.

20:19Alan Warman: I don't know anybody else would do that. I mean, he'd eat a champagne glass, his mouth would be bleeding just to get a reaction out of someone. That's how mental he was. Mad. How did you personally deal with that? If you're going to business with someone throwing parties and you're like, you're fronting it, he's fronting it and you're like, oh, it's good. Half the time he weren't around, was he? Because, you know, he didn't want to do any work. He didn't want to run the... But the only week we got any work out of him was that week when we first did the first party. Yeah. We ran down the beaches together because we never had no staff at the time.

20:49Alan Warman: Yeah. So, yeah, that week he worked. But after that, you know, I did the door. I did the money. I would never let him do the money. You can see I've got it. You know, mad character. Yeah. Completely mad. Yeah. What other mad characters do you come across? Oh, there's so many. I mean, you know some of them. I mean, Vaughan. Yeah. The mad witch doctor, dancer from Pacha. Yeah. There's so many. We were talking about Rubber On earlier. Rubber On. yeah rubber ronnie's our first first ever dj first ever dj funny story he's got yeah we sasha drops today on our podcast and first ever gig was you know your first ever gig in a beat we're given so yeah there's something there's a million stories sure and vaughn what's vaughn like back in the day oh listen he was he was an unbelievable dancer he moved like you never seen anybody else you know he had these great boots and all the mad clothes he used to wear but he was the only guy they're all like good looking girls up on the podiums and there was form yeah and he just he used to and the only way i can explain it is like a mad african witch doctor yeah who could really move yeah proper character yeah some stories he was telling me and he don't hold back either no he doesn't know you don't know back about ibiza and his thoughts the way yeah we're old mates we've known each other a long long time lovely character there are so many all your tony pikes you know that all the club owners what was tony pike tony pike like oh listen he He just liked to enjoy himself.

22:11Alan Warman: I mean, you know, he built that place himself with his own hands. That's the stories I like about Ibiza. You know, we're going to do a posthumous about him because he's one of those characters that have gone, but we're still going to induct him to our Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame. Yeah. That'd be lovely. Who else are you going to put in the Hall of Fame who's not with us these days? So there's six that we're going to do at the moment. I'm going to work with Russell from Columbia Vision because he's got old footage of all these people. So, obviously, Alfredo. Yeah. Yeah, Balearic Beats. And then you've got Jose Badia, who's famous for the Sunsets, Caffeine Amara albums.

22:45Alan Warman: Then you've got, sorry, you've got Frankie Knuckles. Yeah. Why was he called Frankie Knuckles? I can't tell you that. I'm not saying that on camera. I knew you were going to ask me that. It's obvious. People can find out. It's obvious. Anyway, so who else is there? Tommy Mack. Yeah. He's no longer with us. Brasilio, my idol, really, the person who started me off gave me a night in ibiza yeah you know sort of did the best job of doing what i did you know i looked up to him as you know as you know doing the best job that any you know that are you know like you can imagine you know um who else is there there's someone else i'm missing i can't think uh tony pint there's loads of others no but there's six six that we're going to do a post okay that we're going to get yeah and russell's got the old footage and i'm doing interviews with people and getting nice soundbites from people.

23:38How have you seen Ibiza change from the 90s to where we sit today, from your opinion? Constantly changing.

23:44Alan Warman: And I'm not from the world that says it was better in my day. It was better in my day because I was young. These young people now, it's their time. And it's their best time of their lives. So I like the changes. There's things I don't like. Obviously, it's not as free as it once was. Where is? What is? It's not as free anywhere. You've got to go and find another country somewhere to get that freedom again. But other than that, I love all the clubs changing, getting better and all that. Obviously, I didn't like it when they put roofs on because outside... But now they've got brown now, and now there are outdoor clubs.

24:20Alan Warman: With the Schweier and Obeach and Destino and the new 528. There's loads of outdoor clubs now. So it's evolved, and it's always getting better. The thing that's changed the most is the food. the food is magnificent it's unreal isn't it I mean yeah and the beaches and the people I feel sorry for the locals though being outpriced I know it's happening everywhere whether you go if you're a local a lot of them have got businesses and they're earning from yeah but a lot of locals can't haven't got the minimum wage to actually survive out there because the rent's gone so high well there's a big talk about you know I mean the British can't even get a job there anymore because we're not in Europe anymore lots of Irish can though Irish can there's lots of Irish they're lucky man yeah they've got the best of both worlds best of both worlds yeah No, but the thing about that, listen, that's down to local governments, isn't it?

25:07Alan Warman: That's not down to, you know, the tourism or anything like that. Local governments have got to build somewhere for them to live. Yeah. So, you know, I know they're complaining about tourism, but there is nothing without tourism on a place like Ebito, you know. How good's Truman done at Obeach? Unbelievable. What a wonderful idea. I mean, listen, he's... It's not just the idea and he's got a creative mind. He's also lovable and he's very kind and generous with his time and people. He's a good guy. He's got a great soul. He's from our manor as well. Yeah. He must be the generation above me as the promoter where we all grew up from.

25:36Alan Warman: We've known each other a long time. We almost did stuff in the past together. But I mean, that story is a great story. They did a boho in Estasis. And if you'd have asked me, I said, don't touch it with Barge Park, because it's the one club that never did anything. They fell flat on their face. Next year, he opens Ocean Beach. Ocean Beach, yeah. Didn't give up, did he? Carried on. But what I like about it is he's executed. people can talk about stuff and come out of ideas but he's gone in and gone I'm executing on the design I'm executing on the service on everything's done really well nothing's nothing's half no cut corners no it's quality it's quality yeah you know listen he's a gentleman when you turn up he always looks after you he always buys you a drink he's a good guy he buys you a drink and he has one as well well I think he's had to calm down with that yeah and same as Wayne he's had to calm down as well hasn't he but when you're in that life I don't know if I could live there like, you know, I'm a bit older than them guys.

26:33Alan Warman: But yeah, seven days a week. You know, I used to go home every season from Ibiza doing, because at one point we were doing six parties a week in all the clubs. In Ibiza? In Ibiza. Can you remember the clubs you were doing at peak? Yes, Surum, Pacha, Amnissia.

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27:58Alan Warman: space we did we did parties everywhere you know you know like you're saying you did loads and loads of parties we we did loads of i was doing three parties in london every week while i was in abita yeah never got paid for them obviously tommy was on how many we got in tommy a thousand how much dough we got not much exactly exactly so yeah i mean yes done a lot done a lot out there so i've done every venue you know everything you know pretty much every venue you know even the beach parties we i remember the two italian guys who had tannit beach on not tannit another one i forget the name of it now it was where bora bora is what was yeah there's a little bar next door with two italians and they kept driving saying do a party do a pie and i said look and eventually i gave in i brought a sound system a brand and alex play 1500 people on the beach i said there's too many people see you later they carried on with it packed every week yeah what's your relationship been like with Blocko over the years?

28:57Alan Warman: Up and down. I mean, me and Brent, most of the time, really good. I mean, I was the first one that gave him a DJing job. He was in Broadway Boulevard in the late 80s when the dance music kicked in. He had his two torches and he'd be on the podium, giving it large, and he'd go, come on, let me play, let me play. And I said to my partner at the time, Cole Pearsall, I said, let him have a go. Just let him have a go. And the rest is history. Yeah. It's interesting to hear, Al, what you're talking about when you're talking about giving Carl Cox his first opportunity Loco Sasha yeah that's proper history that is when you look back at how successful they've all been over the years and you've given them that opportunity or seen something in them if I realised the DJs would have become superstars I might have had a go myself yeah or what management yeah but listen I spotted a DJ a mile away because it was a passion you know the people that DJ the really good ones like your AXPs and that they loved the music they didn't care about being famous they just loved playing the music you know that was that was their passion the music what era do you uh you look back on and go do you know what that's the decade i really enjoyed most well the first part of the 90s before everyone i mean i there's a famously say on a lot of these podcasts the people think ibiza started in 1994 when clockwork orange manumission ministry of sound uh renaissance you know, they all turned up in 94.

30:22Alan Warman: They all copied me. So, before that, I had it to myself. So, for me, that was the best time. Okay. What was it like knowing the competition was coming along with Manumission and Renaissance coming on the scene? Well, Tommy was the one who brought Manumission to the island, Tommy and Paul Dennis, to combat my May Mondays, because me and Tommy had split up that year. At the end of 93, we split up he came back in 94 with manumission and um yeah that's another story how did it make you feel i got caught unawares to the truth you know it's the only time i've ever been disappointed with myself because i never went back in 95 after running that 94 season i did i'd packed out um thursday nights at s paradise i'd packed out mad mondays but i see the change that year with all the other nights and parties.

31:13Alan Warman: I sort of gave up. Zaniel, unlike me, and I didn't go back in 1995. I was disillusioned by it. I disappointed myself by doing that. I should have stuck it out and sort of found a different way. That's what I should have done. But I did go back in 1996, 1997. I did Privilege, which was very good. I took loads of the big stars out there. Tony DeVits and Eric Murillo. I was the first one to take Eric Murillo. Do you remember what you paid Eric Murillo back then? we we actually bought uh reel to reel as well so we had stuntman doing uh um this is a great track kind of sometimes can't remember still pickled but um um you like to move it you like to yeah so they did that live on stage at coup fantastic yeah yeah so yeah i don't i think it's a long time ago it was it wasn't cheap we had to pay for flights and everything from america okay was that what sort of risk was that for you back then when you're paying you're going do you know what I'm bringing these to the island I'm paying for the flights pay for accommodation also got to look after them as well I know my break even is X amount on the door was it like a big risk for you back then financially it was a little bit different in the when I went back in 96 and 97 because the club were paying that that bill okay and they were giving me an amount from off the door money okay because the percentage slightly changed They got a bit smarter.

32:36Alan Warman: The clubs got a bit smarter. They realised we didn't have to give them all the door anymore. It's our place. We can give them a percentage of the door now. So it did change slightly. So when I went back in 1996, 1997, they paid for the artists. I booked them. They paid for them. So it was a little bit easier. But you're talking about flying over six people from America. It's not cheap, is it? It's not cheap. It's interesting the way that world has gone now, in terms of back then the promoter, Oslo, would take the money. then they pushed the promoter out as the middle man and going you know what let's put the DJ as the headliner on a Monday every Monday for 20 weeks that was Danny Whittle Danny you know that he's famous for changing the way he changed the whole yeah he did I mean obviously someone like me wasn't happy with that change because even though you know I wasn't wasn't working so much anymore but it you know the early days them DJs had become superstar DJs they had to go and play for people like me yeah you know or clockwork or someone we give them the platform yeah but now these superstar djs are the ones getting the gigs the the up and coming is very difficult for them to come through you know because you know there's not a platform for them that's right play the undercard yeah but normally it's normally the friends of the superstar djs gets the undercard so it's a little bit different yeah but i understand what danny did and he changed it it was a very good move for him and pasha at the time oh without doubt and his brainchild to do that and change the whole island.

33:59Alan Warman: Cut out the middle man. That's what he did. He cut out the middle man. So there was no more, no more promoters in Pascha. It was the headline act. And by then there was a lot more tourism. Pascha was packed every night anyway. You know, it wasn't, didn't have to, like me in the early days, run down every beach to get everyone to come to my night. But by that time, the tourists had grown and grown and grown. And it keeps growing, it keeps growing. I mean, in August, our beef is like a car park. Every road, you can take forever to get anywhere. August was never my favourite time. I don't like August.

34:34Too hot. I like May and I like September. I like the beginning and the end. Yeah, same. Same. It's calmer.

34:39Alan Warman: Yeah, much, much calmer. And cooler. Yeah, no, it's too hot in August, definitely. Tell me about the time when Man Your Mission came, so the listener can understand what Man Your Mission actually was. so man the two lads from manchester and mike and andy um tommy and um paul dennis done a deal with them and tommy got the night because he knew brasilio and so that's how that started off there was a problem with uh andy and paul dennis i think paul was andy's surname again mckay mckay okay he was married to dawn dawn hindall yeah okay yeah yeah so dawn got involved in the business and obviously claire was involved with mike so claire and mike were partners and when was it when they were every week they'd have sex on stage in front of 5 000 no that was they started the sex shows from the beginning from the beginning yeah i mean listen the sex show was what caused the big you know uproar but it you know they did a good night you know i'm not going to say they didn't they did a good night it's fantastic night you know they had lots of different artists doing different stuff we recently did lisa good who was one of the people that was one of their performers she didn't go on stage but she did her own bit within the club sort of thing you know and so it was a good thing they were doing yeah so imagine when you think about it like husband and wife once a week having sex on stage in front of performing art i guess it's seen as performing art but it's also mad when you look in now and think about it yeah with what 10 000 people yeah 10 000 more more sometimes every monday yeah how do you get yourself up for that money yeah of course of course but no they i mean they smashed it but mike and claire were always from that artist yes they were always coming from that freedom that free yeah everything's yeah freedom so okay andy was the business side of things i think was he a good businessman andy i think he is he's he's got a few places now He's got 5-2-8, he's got Ibiza rocks and he's got pike.

36:36Alan Warman: So I think he's done all right. Has he lived on the island all those years, has he? Yeah, from 94, yeah. Yeah, from 94. I think he's lived there for most of that time. How long did the Manumission thing last for? And why did Manumission end? Well, I think they split up, didn't they? Brothers fell out, I think. I don't know the full story. So Mike and Claire were partners of Manumission and you had Dawn and Andy were partners. yeah but they were brothers as well and they were my they were brothers and then they had a tear up and they were like bum dumb yeah split yeah i think so i think i don't know for sure that's what that's what i gather yeah yeah but yeah big part of the history i mean you know they came out after me but um that massive part of the industry what year were they then 96 they turned up in 94 94 they turned up and they lasted how long do you reckon oh they were going into the 2000s aren't they?

37:26So a good six, seven years plus. Yeah,

37:28Alan Warman: longer I think, longer, yeah. And apparently they're going to a reunion for a weekend. I've heard they're coming back to the reunion. To the reunion, yeah, in September I think. Tell me about Cova Santa, it's one of my favourite venues. No, it's a great venue but for years it didn't work. Why? I think it's amazing. It's like, it's raised, it's raised, it's outside, it's just got this wonderful ambience about it and vibe. I think it was before its time because it was an outdoor venue before the outdoor venues. Yeah. So it never had the same licence as a nightclub yeah so people and also it's in a part of the island that people don't really go to travel to i mean there ain't any great bars there you know san jose it's not somewhere you would just naturally you know like san antonio or beef a town you know i suppose the same with you know with the two major clubs like coup now it's called universe and amnesia they're on the big main road between the two a lot of people wouldn't drive down that san jose road it's a back road to the airport basically so it was before its time I always thought it was a great venue but it's taken a long time to get it off the ground because the same guy who owns Abnesia owns Cova Centna I tell you what I think it was two years ago Clockwork threw a party in Cova Centna it was off the charts literally off the charts just like last year they did 528 and everyone said how brilliant it was 528 was good 528 was really good I prefer they're both really good we're talking like first world problems here but I would go Cova Centna yeah both amazing but it would just it would just nick it for me yeah but it's only took off not that long I didn't know that yeah it hasn't been doing big things for years it's only been for a few years because there's a club underneath when it closes there's a small little club underneath with air conned up yeah they can go longer yeah which is lovely oh no I don't want the party to end and you all slip inside it's a little bit like Obeach they've got that little you can go into afters can't you yeah but you know the club scene is constantly evolving in Ibiza you know when did you when did you pack it in in Ibiza?

39:19Alan Warman: Well, I did go back a couple of days. 2001 was my last big party in Ibiza. That was the last big party I did out there. But it's not over yet. It's never over until it's over, is it? So I've got lots of things up my sleeve. So the return of the promoter. Yeah. That'd be interesting. Yeah. No, I've got a lot up my sleeve. So when you called it a day in 2001, tell me your journey from 2001 to 2026. There's 25 years there. is there more parties yes no I never stopped you never stopped never stopped I did stop for a few I thought I retired about 5 or 6 years ago but obviously with the Global Club and Dance and the Ibiza Hall of Fame I'm back where were you where were you in sort of the early 2000s well listen I've done parties all over the place I've done Gilgamesh in Camden I've done Broadway House in Fulham I've done constantly doing something I used to love Gilgamesh in Camden when it was there it was brilliant with Jeff Lim.

40:19Alan Warman: We're going to give him a global soon. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's on the list. With the Global Club and Dance and the Ibiza Hall of Fame, it's a legacy thing and I'm basically rewarding the people that have put their time and effort and their passion into this industry. It's a big industry. I just realised we just come back from the IMS and the cogs that make this industry work. It's not like when I did it. you know there was a like this label that was the popular label and they they put out a few good tracks now it's a monster it's an absolute monster i mean the ims was you know brilliant for us we did we did shot about 15 podcasts international music summit yeah yeah yeah owned by danny whittle danny will ben turner ben turner and pete tong and pete tong yeah yeah yeah and that's once a year in ibiza where yeah they everyone flies in from around the globe to come in there for a two three day out i've said for years why is ibiza season so short i've always always because it's 20 weeks no it used to be i used to do 20 weeks but it was a 16 week season yeah pretty much they've stretched it to 20 now no it's going even longer now so why wouldn't you because the weather's there why would you stop we were out there last week it was sunny yeah it was lovely absolutely lovely and so they start the season off they kick it off with the summit which is brilliant, brilliant idea.

41:38Alan Warman: You know, take me out to them guys. You know, I gave the IMS an Ibiza Hall of Fame because what they're doing, it starts the season off, makes the season longer. Brilliant. And now they don't finish until sort of almost November. You know, it's the end of October as the real closing parties now. Wherefore, the old closing parties used to be September. Yeah. So it's, you know, it has definitely stretched out. Tell the listeners your idea right now which you're executing on, which we spoke about maybe five six months you go dodge what your thoughts on this i was like maybe you've got something there this is quality yeah no i i've been working on this idea for a long long time you know it was originally i thought it was an award show um and then realized the only way i can do this because it's so expensive to put on an award show you know films and filming and all so and i worked out that it was much easier to do it as a hall of fame you know sort of and and it has worked out a lot easier because we can we can broaden who we can give it to it's not just the best DJ that year.

42:37Alan Warman: It can be loads of DJs. It can be a resident DJ. It can be another podcaster. It could be a promoter. And I am giving to all those people, like yourself. Your first festival we gave a global club dance to. Thank you very much. I was honoured. Massively honoured. Yeah. I mean, it's a massive venture we've just sat on. This project absolutely can be huge. I mean, we've just done that. We're doing Ibiza. We're constantly going to be keep doing Ibiza. We, at the end of the month, at the end of May, 29th of May, we launch the Global Club and Dance. It's a launch party and we're going to get probably 30 or 40 people come down that day to receive an award.

43:18Alan Warman: It could be resident DJs, could be famous DJs, club promoters, all sorts coming down. You know, and... And where's that being held? That's being held at Paul Oakenfold's hotel in London, you know, Karma, Soho Sanctum. Sanctum, yeah. Who else is the owner of that? There's a few. There's... Tanner Hassan? Yeah, Tanner's involved I think I think Mark Fuller brought Tanner and Paul in I think that's the way it works but it's owned by originally by some rock and roll bands yeah that's right I want to get Mark Fuller on the podcast yeah you should come down that night yeah I will pop down he's had a bit of a career he has hasn't he yeah he's my sort of fellow when I heard him split I was like mate we need to have a conversation I might have to give him a global yeah I would do definitely would do what he's achieved yeah definitely I mean Paul's had one already yeah so yeah how was that conversation with Paul Openfold fantastic me and paul known each other a long long time i mean you know he was the first superstar dj and you know i was the first promoter out there doing all that stuff you know he was famous for going out there and having his mind blown by the likes of pp and alfredo and cesar so he was inspired by those he's inspired and he says that in the podcast he says he was inspired and i talked to him about you know the first one to work with the biggest band in the world due to you know he got to remix you too they were the biggest band at the time and what have you got to do for that Well, I asked him that question.

44:36Alan Warman: I said, how did that come about? And he said they reached out to him. He was the first superstar DJ, there was no doubt about that. He was the first one to work with someone outside this industry. He wasn't doing a remix for a club record, he was doing a remix for a rock record, which is a whole new ballgame. But Paul's been absolutely brilliant with this. I actually called Paul up, he lives in America, I rang him up. We had a conversation about 40 minutes, and I was fishing to see if he was interested in my idea. And he said, Alan, everything you've told me, he said, brilliant. He said, you need to do a bit more if you want to get me involved.

45:15Alan Warman: You'd need to get a deck. I'd have to know how much time, effort, all that. And I said, no, I'm only fishing at the moment. I'm just seeing the land. If you like the idea. Yeah. And he said, look, everything you've told me, mate, he said, you've got a global brand on your hands. So that was nice. I agree. yeah and he was our first guest and what about Fatboy Slim Fatboy Slim he wasn't one of mine he's not someone I booked or anything like that but I'd recently done Lisa Good who's the pure sea lady very good great calls she's doing and she knows Fatboy because he comes and helps her with the beach cleaning he does all that stuff proper gentleman it really is and I said to him ask him ask him for you come on get out of the Hall of Fame and he sent me an email and said I want to ask a few questions before I commit to it.

46:03Did he send it or have someone else send it on his behalf? No, he sent it. He sent it.

46:07Alan Warman: Yeah, and I replied to him. I said, yeah, you'll enjoy it. You know, it's a conversation. You know, we award you for, you know, all the music you've given us over the years. And he said, yeah, let's do it. And that was it. We were down there. Where did you go? We went to his house in Brighton. Where you said, come front door, bang, let's go in a spare room. Brilliant. Really good guy. Really down to earth. Yeah. Great stories. You know, I mean, we're just starting out on this journey. and the first one that ever blew up was a clip of him talking about a friend of mine, Brian Tilsey, who's Christopher Quinton, and was it Steve Davis?

46:47Alan Warman: No, what's the Radio One guy? Anyway, so that clip, it had like 200 ,000 views, just one little clip. At the time, I think we had about 600 people on our Instagram. And you get one clip that goes bang like that. So, you know, I mean, we're working on all the older guys at the moment. Because that's the history. And we're building the history. But that's what we need. We need the older fellas on before they're gone. We need the stories. And that's why I do this podcast, to get the stories on there. Because someone's in their late 50s, 60s, 70s, and they've been partying. Oh, we don't know how long they've gone.

47:25Alan Warman: Well, I'm in a hurry to get this done. So I'm 66 this year. so you know i want to get as you know i want to enjoy this yeah i want to get as much done as i can before you know how how give me an example how hard you used to party at your peak well listen i i stopped taking ecstasy because i couldn't work on it couldn't work on it because you know if you've taken it you can't you can't you know you want to go and dance yeah the music so i realized the nose bag i could have a bit of that and still do my job so i i did quite a lot of that yeah did you yeah i did a lot of that yeah was there a peak was there a peak age for you when you were like this is i'm banging a lot here pretty much always from what age to what age would you say well i never took i never really seriously took drugs until i was like you know i was a sportsman yeah i played football three times a week you know 25 seasons you know i played tennis you know you know one middle six cups and things like that so i i was sportsman so i i didn't smoke and i didn't really take that many drugs didn't drink a lot even yeah but i'd like pie and still but so i suppose it was you know my late 20s that suddenly i found it i found the old nose bag yeah and that you know sort of put a bit of pay to my sports career yeah yeah suddenly stopped but you know it enhanced my uh clubbing i suppose yeah what did you enjoy most about being in the nightclub world music it's always the music it's always been about the music you know what music does to people is you know it takes you to a different place it makes you a different feeling you know you can hear a track and then just takes you back to that place where you were you know music has always been the most important thing you know the bonus of doing places like coup and pachar and amnesia is the music in a fantastic venue i mean that then it's another you know it's that on top I like Amnesia yeah it wasn't my favourite I like Amnesia but for me the best club in the world at the time Coup when it was open air swimming pool big slide with a dragon head you know I used to throw people in there every time I did a party they were getting booted in the swimming pool I was murdered because I was offering up yeah yeah yeah I spent half the night on the door to make sure I wasn't losing any money yeah and the other when I come in I just go nuts go nuts Yeah.

49:48Alan Warman: Obviously, I mean, the drinks were always expensive. But, you know, they give you a book of vouchers. I'll be drinking and getting off. I mean, it's madness. It was my end. Have you ever been in trouble while working?

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50:42Alan Warman: I've done a bit of bird, yeah. i've done a bit of that i mean when i went i went to prison for uh living in a place where drugs were being um but that was my fault i put my hands up you know so it sort of saved my life to the truth yeah you know i made a good thing out of a bad thing so when i realized i'd you know you know the 50-year-old bill come through the front door you know i just sat there for you idiot what you've done here you know so i put you know when i went to prison i thought i'm going to the best out of this i started painting started you know doing other things trying to sort of you know and when i come out i become an artist you know for a little while how long do you get banged up for i i got a three-year sentence but i ended up only doing seven and a half months because and when i was in there i was i helped you know i became an insider an insider is someone that um when people get first get banged up they don't know what they they can they're allowed to have what they're allowed to do give them the info i'll give them the info and they do want to talk to the screws they'd come and talk to me yeah so i you know i i made my time useful pretty much you know where were you when you got i did scrubs to start with and then then i went because i tell you a good story this is a good story so i'm in scrubs and the most important place for prisoners is the gym the most important place so on a friday the muslins had taken away our gym so they could pray I went nuts I went nuts I went I ain't having it and the screw was going what are you talking about woman I said I ain't having it I said that's not right what's going on they said it's a perfectly good church they can go to the church why aren't you nicking our gym that means 2 ,000 people that day ain't getting no gym I said it's not happening anyway I said to them I said I'm going to go to your position I said I know my rights I might be in prison but I still know my rights so they've gone you can't do that i said i can do anything i want you can you can do whatever you want to me once i've done it but i'm going to do whatever i want so i've gone around and i went on my wing i went to every single cell even the muslims and told them it's out of order what they're doing taking away the gym which is the most important place here anyway so i got the gym back didn't i and they told me i even had the the um the governor come down to me said woman we like you yeah he said you help us out but you can't be organizing people i said well that's what i've done all my That's what I've done with living.

53:00Alan Warman: That's what I've done with living. Of course I can organise people. Yeah. And I said, you know, I'm only doing it because it's unfair what's going on. You've got to see my point of view. And he said, you'll be ghosted, you'll be gone. I said, do your darndest. You know, I'm standing on a principle, you know, I'm going to do what I'm going to do. So I did it. The ironic thing was we got the gym back. I'm in the gym. Woman, you're out of here. They pulled me out of the gym and put me and sent me up to Norfolk. but it was good for me you know for me it saved my life i was taking how old were you i was taking um 46 46 and you're taking i was still on the still on like i was living in the sweet shop that's that's pretty much i was living in the sweet shop just having anything i wanted so you know what get up in the morning and bang yeah i'd be active for days on end really days on end yeah what were you charged with i was i was actually it was i was lucky because it was a thing called Goodyear, the guy that got it, the year prior, this guy called Goodyear said he's part of what he was.

54:03Alan Warman: So instead of it being a group of people together getting charged for something, it was my part in it. And I said my part in it. I was living in there. I wasn't selling any drugs. I was never a drug dealer, but I was living there. And I got done for that. I got done for being, they sort of called me the security, but I wasn't security. I was just living there. Yeah. And it saved my life because it got me away long enough. And I didn't touch a drug in prison. Not one drug I didn't touch in prison. I really made my mind up and it got me away from it long enough. Was that your peak then of using?

54:40Alan Warman: Yes. I mean, I kept trying to stop because my ankles were swelling up and you know when body starts telling you that things ain't working exactly right and i did try stopping but going to prison stopped it stopped it yeah in my head it stopped it it was like that's it where were you when you got nicked i was in a house in haze yeah yeah and you didn't have a clue all of sudden they come back the doors in the morning yeah 50 of them through the front door yeah with shooting with guns yeah no lot yeah yeah it's a wake-up call innit it was it we were away and my club partner at the time was the one who was doing what he was doing.

55:21Alan Warman: He was in the kitchen doing his chemistry. Did he get a free as well? No, he didn't. He got the money. I mean, I went guilty. I went guilty because it wasn't, when I went guilty, it wasn't a conspiracy then. Was it just association? Yeah, I got done for my part. But he went no comment and he, so he ended up, he would have got 18 years if it was a conspiracy. Because I went,

55:49Alan Warman: I said my part. It wasn't a conspiracy anymore. So we ended up doing, I got a four. Okay. Yeah. That's a no-sense, isn't it? Yeah, but I'm not, yeah, I'm not a villain. I'm not a drug dealer. No, you just got caught up and you're a party boy. Yeah, yeah. Silly boy. Yeah. Where was Tommy Mackey this time? Were you still doing business with him? No, no. Tommy would be, Tommy would have been doing his own thing at the time. We'd split up at that point. we did get back to Gevan when we did Gilgamesh for a year or two we did work together again when you come out of Nick did it completely change your mind or were you just like well I'm back to friend parties again and go back to the same old big L or did you change sort of change because I'd learned a new skill in prison I'd started painting and it was like all this art was pouring out of me and it was a whole new thing I did art school I was useless completely useless so So, yeah, I come out of prison, and they take everything you've got.

56:47Alan Warman: So I had nothing. I come out, I had absolutely a lot of bean. So they know how much you're worth or whatever, and they take everything you've got. So that's where I was. So I said to my partner at the time, I'm going to be nice. I'm going to sell me paintings. She started laughing at me. I said, what are you laughing for? I said, I'm going to, and I did. I started working down at Bayswater Road, selling my paintings on the railings. I sold thousands of paintings. Yeah. good for you are you married no never get married i've always said i never get married i've got a kid i've got a grandchild uh it was uh yesterday was uh seven 17th birthday yeah yeah start and how many kids you got only the ones yeah yeah i never thought about was ever is it you decided i never want to get married i've always said i never get married i've always said i don't need a piece of paper to say that i've got to be with someone yeah you know it was if you want to be with me because you want to be with me, not because a piece of paper tells you.

57:43Alan Warman: I was always, always, you know, I'm not a religious person, so, you know, all that getting married in a church, it was never for me. What's the movement for you now, 65 years young? Well, it's actually exciting. I can see. I can see. I haven't been excited about something for about 20 odd years. Okay. you know and i i like being excited about doing something it gives you gives you that to get up and go do stuff and because because i've done so many parties in so many places and so many fantastic venues and you know i've been there seeing it and done it i've done it all this is something completely new for me so you know i'm learning on the way as we were talking before you know the pitfalls sometimes the pitfalls you have to get over those pitfalls you know you have to you know naivety and business is a superpower well listen i love it yeah i've been inside not having a clue and just working it all out figure it out well i had no intention of getting in front of a camera tommy was always the one who didn't mind getting his face yeah he wanted the limelight i didn't never care about the limelight i cared about how much money we were in yeah so this is a real stretch for me to get in front of a camera and start talking about my career and what i've done and but it's a legacy tommy's died um he always said he was going to write write the book never got around to it so i sort of said to myself i suppose i'm gonna have to write the book which i've started i have started to put but now this podcast business and all that and that even that came about by accident you know when i first uh started it the young man who was my was the host he said look you know he's a bit you know he said you know these people come and sit down with them and talk to them and that's how i started i started chatting to the hosts because i knew them and i knew the history and that's how it's that's how it's it's carried on yeah i'm not a professional in front of a camera you know i'm just having a chat with you guys yeah you know but i'm enjoying it i'm enjoying it talking about the you know the history and that but we will move on to the newer younger djs and the newer scene you know we're starting at the beginning we're giving the foundations right now i think where were you when tommy died tommy died two years ago he he had gone out to a friend of mine's party dirty um new english he he went to his party and he was almost saying goodbye to everyone okay and he put some strange posts up on online saying i i miss the old tommy so he he was there was obviously something wrong and he was putting up these strange posts so yeah and he he was with another friend of one of one of my djs mark james and tish they went out for that that weekend and stayed in london and uh they went out to dirty come back tommy went to bed and never woke up and that that was that was that was how it was I think it must have been, yeah.

1:00:31Alan Warman: I mean, yeah, he did everything in excess. But he wasn't that weekend, apparently. He was actually quite normal that weekend. How old was he when he passed? I think he was 58, 59. No, I can't remember. Late 50s. Early 60s, maybe. No, no, he's older than me, so he's got to be older. 68, sorry. okay yeah he's older than me but mad character i mean the likes you never see again never see that i always say about tommy and listen me and him at the best time ever nothing can take away what we did but you know as he got a bit older he got a bit twisted and a bit you know he started putting rubbish on facebook about the past and i said i sort of felt that he ruined our fantastic career together yeah you know but anyway i think it's far forgiven he's gone now i've forgiven him now is what it is and what's the ultimate goal for you now is that he wanted to write a book are you now going to know i'm going to write a book i'm going to tell the stories that what you got up to in your life and also what you and tommy got up to as well yeah you know that'd be nice yeah no so yeah because at the end it is a great story two two council kids from west london we conquered our beef for years yeah we had you know it was brilliant so yeah i mean it is a good story it's a good story but there's still you know for me the passion right now is in you know what i'm doing with the global club and dance and the ibiza hall of fame who are your top three djs well there's loads there's loads i mean there's so many djs you know cole cox obviously because over these years he's been the top he's been their senior he's always been he's always been around you know i'm not you know i like alex p i've always liked saying he's been always technically a great DJ, a good friend of mine.

1:02:18Alan Warman: But there are so many. The likes of Eric Murillo and all these Americans are fantastic DJs. I mean, I ask that question in my podcast, but it's a difficult question because there are so and so many DJs. And I can see the ones who've got the passion. I've always seen that. Did you ever think about throwing parties in America? I have done a few. At a music conference, I did Level with Jerry Kelly, who I've just found out died recently jerry kelly was a famous guy from ibiza he ran the catwalk bar we did loads of parties with him in angels and other places in ibiza and he went off to america and he conquered miami basically he was like the king of miami for quite a few years uh gay uh irish lad called jerry kelly he was going oh you're fantastic i mean he but we had a right laugh right laugh but yeah apparently I found out just recently he died it was very sad news so yeah I haven't I can't say I'm confident in America but I've done America I've done parties out there yeah Al I've really enjoyed this yeah really enjoyed it no it's good it's good it's nice to hear I can see you as you're going along you're triggering your brain yeah no listen because you haven't spoken about it it's like I forgot about that like I can see that it's lovely yeah no I mean listen a lot of drinking drugs have gone past the way so is it some of the memories that you know they're tucked away back there but you got to bring them out yeah yeah yeah now where can people find you so we're at ibiza hall of fame yeah if you get if you want to go and see our podcast you can see us on um on youtube or spotify yeah so just tap in ibiza hall of fame you'll find us yeah and you've got some great people on we've had some fantastic guests give us an example our first guest was paul oakenfold the first superstar dj i did one myself at the beginning um we've had fat boy slim uh today we've got sasha that's gone out we've had um nicky olloway was a great one yeah nicky's got so many stories and he's got a lot of history with me uh lisa loud lisa good from pure c and we've got so many yeah on it we've got we've got so much content the content's fantastic yeah i don't know if people like me as being a host but i'm just getting on with it mate you hosted me today and i thought you were you and clara are fantastic really good that's nice yeah it's lovely it's lovely to be on the other side of the table and have a chat i mean i i always say to people we're not the bbc i don't want to be the bbc i wouldn't want to be the bbc we're us yeah there's no script yeah it's having a wicked chat and see what comes out yeah done i don't want bbc crap around me i said to you earlier i i i've never had to take do a second take or just get on with we are we are yeah you see this conversation yeah yeah big l thoroughly love this mate and you know what eventful lives that is certainly an eventful life you've lived and a living I wish you all the best mate and that a hall of fame I believe the hall of fame anyone out there go and check it out it's superb yeah thank you very much cheers Al bye mate bye hi guys I really hope you enjoyed that as much as I did can you do us a favour and leave us a review as it massively helps us grow the show cheers guys

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