In short
Operation Midas, a multi-agency Ukrainian anti-corruption investigation into a scheme allegedly skimming about $100 million+ from Energa Atom (Ukraine’s nuclear power operator) contracts during wartime, using coded aliases, wiretaps, and physical bugs; it also covers the political backlash against Ukraine’s anti-corruption bodies.
Guests/backgrounds
The episode is narrated by Rosie Blore, with reporting by Oliver Carroll (on the trail months before the news broke). Key interviewees are NABU chief detective Artem Abakumov and SAPO head Oleksandr Klimenko, plus references to prosecutors/detectives and officials (e.g., Andriy Yermak, Volodymyr Zelensky’s chief of staff).
Key claims
Energa Atom protection/quality was allegedly underfunded to enable kickbacks; suppliers paid extra 10–15% or lost tenders. The anti-corruption “trifecta” (NABU, SAPO, VAKS) was targeted by presidential-controlled raids and legislation rollback. Public protests helped reverse the rollback.
Notable examples
“Rocket” and “Tenor” tapes; aliases “Che Guevara” (Chornoshov), “Sugarman” (Oleg Cukerman), “Ali Baba” (Yermak); villa development; “golden toilet” photos; alleged CCTV access; charges against Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Chornoshov; Yermak’s resignation after a presidential-quarter raid.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Crisis in Ukraine
1:11 to 2:26
Explore the ongoing war in Ukraine and its implications on leadership and corruption.
“The war in Ukraine has been dragging on for nearly four long years.”
Introduction to Operation Midas
2:26 to 3:22
Discover the details of the Operation Midas investigation into corruption in Ukraine.
“I'm Rosie Blore, and today on The Weekend Intelligence, my colleague Oliver Carroll takes you inside Ukraine to the core of the rot.”
Corruption and Its Consequences
3:22 to 6:20
Understand the implications of the corruption scandal involving energy contracts in Ukraine.
“and it could yet spell the end for the man who stands as a figurehead of the values the West claims to uphold.”
The Role of NABU in Investigating Corruption
6:20 to 8:10
Learn how the National Anti-Corruption Bureau operates in Ukraine and its significance.
“And all of this is happening at the most delicate of geopolitical moments, just as Russia and the United States are pressuring Ukraine into accepting a poisoned peace.”
The Energa Atom Scheme
8:10 to 14:00
Delve into the details of the Energa Atom corruption scheme and its vast implications.
“First of all, it is important to know that the National Anti-Corruption Bureau is the public face of this investigation.”
Unraveling the Energa Atom Scheme
14:00 to 28:00
Learn about the complex investigation into Ukraine's Energa Atom scheme, highlighting corruption and the roles of key players.
“Naboo's investigation of the Energa atom scheme has traced at least$100 million of kickbacks.”
Investigating Corruption in Ukraine
28:31 to 30:26
Explore the background of the anti-corruption investigations in Ukraine.
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Public Reaction and Political Dilemma
30:26 to 33:15
Understand the public's reaction and the political challenges faced by President Zelensky.
“We understand that the proposed actions were aimed at making such an investigation subject to the direct oversight of the Prosecutor-General, who is a political appointee.”
High-Stakes Investigations and Raids
33:15 to 36:16
Learn about the high-stakes investigations and raids on government officials.
“For the detectives though, Nabuz Abakumov included, It had stoked a new fire.”
Impact of the Scandal on Zelensky
36:16 to 39:59
Discover how the corruption scandal has affected Zelensky's political standing.
“Sources with knowledge of the investigation tell me his office was raided in connection with an illegal enrichment charge, which may or may not come.”
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The Role of Transparency in Fighting Corruption
39:59 to 42:05
Discuss the importance of transparency and accountability in Ukraine's fight against corruption.
“For Zelensky, it is a political disaster.”
Investigating Corruption in Ukraine
42:05 to 44:41
Learn about the significance of anti-corruption investigations in Ukraine.
“No one interferes in our work and no one interferes in our communications.”
Transcript
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1:10Ollie Carroll:The timing couldn't be worse. The war in Ukraine has been dragging on for nearly four long years. America and Russia abandoning a peace plan that Ukraine had little part in composing. And now the president's closest confidant is in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. And that's just one part of the giant crisis now engulfing the country. Ukraine's history of corruption is long and torrid. When Volodymyr Zelensky was elected in 2019, he campaigned as an anti-establishment figure who promised to root out fraud. Things did seem to be getting better. But now detectives have unearthed the biggest corruption scandal in Ukraine's history.
1:56Ollie Carroll:Today, we're going to track that scandal and that of Operation Midas, the multi-agency probe, into how$100 million, probably more, was stolen from a country at war by its own elite. This story has everything. Crazy code names like Che Guevara, Alibaba, and Rocket. It has bribes, bugs, spy cams, and luxury villas. And like all good oligarch dramas, it has a golden toilet. It might be salacious, but for the bigger picture, an existential war in Europe, a president who will not bend, government bodies that fear being branded traitors if they act, and traitors if they don't.
2:45Ollie Carroll:I'm Rosie Blore, and today on The Weekend Intelligence, my colleague Oliver Carroll takes you inside Ukraine to the core of the rot. Ollie is among the few reporters who was on the trail of this scandal months before it hit the news, exhaustively following leads, talking to sources and trying to untangle the many tentacles of the investigation. You'll need to listen carefully. We've voiced some tapes of leaked conversations so they're in English, but there are lots of names here and lots of government agencies. And of course, the jigsaw is not yet complete. This story is still unfolding. and it could yet spell the end for the man who stands as a figurehead of the values the West claims to uphold.
3:44It's July 2025. We're in Kiev, eavesdropping on a conversation. between a government advisor codenamed Rocket and a security manager at the state nuclear energy company Energa Atom, codenamed Tenor. Speaking in coarse Russian, sprinkled with profanities, they're discussing something pretty galling for a country at war. What they're suggesting is skimping on protecting Ukraine's energy grid from Russian missile strikes. Strikes that have plunged much of the country into the dark and cold for three winters in a row. But these men? They're more interested in pocketing millions in kickbacks. It's a waste of money, says Rocket.
4:43By grim coincidence, the same locations they intentionally neglected were hit just two days before this tape was made public.
5:29This tape, as others, were recorded on secret listening devices in flats and back rooms around the Ukrainian capital over the course of the last year and a half. I first heard rumours of Operation Midas this summer. I was told by my sources, spooks, government officials, people close to the investigation itself that things were about to get very embarrassing for Ukraine's leadership. But truth be told, no one, myself included, realised just how seismic the revelations would be. Now the curtains are being pulled back and it is proving to be the biggest, most consequential corruption investigation in the history of Ukraine.
6:20And all of this is happening at the most delicate of geopolitical moments, just as Russia and the United States are pressuring Ukraine into accepting a poisoned peace.
6:38We will split it in three ways between you, me and the professor. Let me check what numbers we have. I wrote them down somewhere. I'll just deduct it right away. But we haven't gone through this whole thing to the end. Yeah, just let me calculate quickly. It's 62 ,000.
7:08At this moment, Rokit and Tenor have no idea that just five months after this conversation, they will contribute to bringing down the central pillar of Volodymyr Zelensky's administration. His chief of staff, Andriy Irmak. The man who was Zelensky's unofficial vice president, chief advisor, chief negotiator, a Rasputin-like figure at Zelensky's shoulder, now gone.
7:42This is the story of Operation Midas, an investigation that wasn't supposed to happen, one which powerful actors all the way along did their best to thwart. It is based on the testimony of officials, detectives and witnesses. Not all of them allowed to speak publicly. Some afraid to. And it is a story that is only just beginning. What is the most important thing?
8:19What is the most important thing? First of all, it is important to know that the National Anti-Corruption Bureau is the public face of this investigation. As you can imagine, he is a busy man these days. So he is answering my questions by recording voice memos as he is being driven around Kyiv.
8:44Abakumov is an unassuming guy with a big job. He's chief detective at an organization called NABU, the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine. Now, this is the investigative branch of the anti-corruption package established in the wake of the Maidan revolution of 2014. It's a trifecta. Stay with me now. You'll need to hold on to another two acronyms aside from NABU. First, SAPO, which is the anti-corruption prosecutors, and second, VAX, which is the high anti-corruption court. All three were created under Western pressure as a check on government. They ran in parallel with Ukraine's existing, objectively corrupt justice system.
9:34When we realized the amount of money passing through the office, we understood that this was perhaps the case unlike anything Naboo had dealt with before. It is very large in scope and it covers many directions. Operation MIDAS, the investigation into the Energa-Atom scheme, began in the summer of 2024.
10:00The energy sector has always been an area in which there is a lot of talk about various unlawful actions by different actors. And many people publicly exposed corruption, but our task was not just to investigate an isolated incident reported by an individual, but to uncover systemic corruption. They called it BARRIER, a scheme that skimmed millions of Energa Atom's public contracts. The deal was simple enough. Suppliers to the nuclear energy agency were made to pay an extra 10-15%, or be shut out of lucrative tenders. As it's a nuclear agency responsible for the majority of Ukraine's power, contracts are huge.
10:52Abakumov and his colleagues followed along in real time for months, listening in on the grifter's recordings. It was a gradual accumulation of knowledge that revealed how important this investigation was. Certainly, part of that was listening to the conversation where such cynical things were being discussed. things like underspending on protection for energy facilities and about persuading contractors to deliver goods of inadequate quality. The criminal group worked under aliases, names they chose for themselves. This is common practice among criminals and even among the detectives who pursue them.
11:35It makes it hard to pin down identities and harder still to assign guilt before a court. After all, a murky tape means nothing if you can't link a voice to the crime. So Abakumov and his team had to triangulate.
11:54When we heard a nickname like Rocket in a conversation, we tried to determine who that was. But subject of that investigation helped us themselves through their discussions about where someone was when they were meeting them and how they referred to them. The scene inside the NAB operation is exactly as you might imagine. Special rooms with whiteboards, photos, notes and bits of string connecting the suspects bit by bit. For the detectives involved, it became an all-encompassing affair. For example, with one nickname, it was mentioned several times that this person was abroad. We checked everyone who could be connected to the group and looked for those who were abroad at that time.
12:46Then they would say, I met him here and there. We checked who was in those places and the indicated times. And this way, through a combination of objective indicators, location, meeting details, we established which nickname corresponded to which person. Of course, things become easier if someone slips up. Which eventually they did. Remember Rocket and Tenor? The government advisor and security manager we heard discussing a three-way split? Well, in one take they reveal the names of some of the managers they were giving kickbacks to.
13:36I suggest we start going over the financials right away. Yeah, I do your normal now. Constructions, it's 105. And this is the military. Okay, and five, and five. That's one grand. Ten is yours. Three goes to the... Did I forget anyone? And again, for the closet matters. 19. That comes out of 20 ,000 minus$100. Minus$100, so that's 20 ,000. Looks like everything.
14:16Naboo's investigation of the Energa atom scheme has traced at least$100 million of kickbacks. And that is only what investigators have been able to prove so far. The number is likely to rise as the investigation continues.
14:34And, to be clear, this was not a few bad actors. For this to go undetected for so long, it required the participation of vast numbers of people. It was a corrupt cancer running through the state.
14:56The Energa Atom investigation may have been the case that brought the criminal syndicate down. But it's not actually where the story begins. That all started two years ago, in late 2023, with a corrupt property developer making an approach to a Ukrainian politician, Oleksandr Kubrakov. Back then, Kubrakov was a rising star of Zelensky's government, minister for infrastructure, and talked of as a future prime minister. The developer offered a kickback deal to wink through land rights. What he didn't know was that Kubrakov was talking to anti-corruption investigators at the same time, and the transaction he was about to enter was, in fact, a sting operation.
15:44When they arrested the developer, Naboo detectives tried to get him to cooperate to see how many other figures in government had taken the money before Kubrakov entrapped him. The developer refused. He even threatened detectives, flaunting his dangerous high-level contacts. But his seized devices were the key to opening the next door in the investigation. It was there that detectives found compromising messages that led to the secretary of Oleg Seyed Chernozov, a deputy prime minister. The detectives understood they were entering dangerous territory. The deputy prime minister wasn't just powerful, he was part of the president in a sanctum.
16:29A close friend. First Lady Olena Zelenska is even godmother to one of his children. Chernyshov was put under surveillance. And it was this, it seems, that led detectives to stumble across the existence of a secret money laundering office. The office that was running the money for the Energa Atom ruse. Don't worry. No, no, I'm not worried. Chernyashov features heavily in the Energa Atom tapes. He goes by the alias Che Guevara, a curious choice for the soft-faced, gangly, awkward-looking bureaucrat who has a predilection for expensive suits. Here he's speaking with Sugarman. Sugarman is the less playful pseudonym for businessman, Olegzandr Cukerman.
17:27Cukerman is discussing the best ways of directing funds to Chonishov. Look, this is the situation. Here I have$300 ,000. Here$200 ,000 and 96 ,500 euros, which is the equivalent of$100 ,000. Everything is now here. Yeah, I suggest we just distribute it into this. meaning count them not as the same but as. I withdrew this from the cash desk. You get it? I understand that. I appreciate that. There are no other sources for now. In time, detectives eventually worked out that Chornoshov was in charge of funding the development of four ostentatious villas in an elite district just to the south of Kiev.
18:23One of the four was owned by Churnashev himself. The others? I'll come back to that. As for Kubrikov, the original whistleblower, once whispers spread of what he'd done, his luck in government began to run out. On 9th May 2024, Ukraine's parliament, under the instruction of the president's office, voted to dismiss him. But there was no putting this particular genie back. Detectives at Naboo and Sapo already understood the scale of what was to come.
19:07Oleksandr Klimenko is the head of that second branch of Ukraine's anti-corruption infrastructure, Sapo, the prosecution's body. His job was to make sure there was enough evidence to prosecute. and he was part of the investigation from the get-go. From an operational sources, we received an information that within one of the energy companies of Ukraine, there existed a so-called back office in Kiev. And we started verifying that information. Klimenko is an understated guy, a career detective. He's known for being calm and focused.
19:50I was the only one at SAPO who knew about this operation from the very beginning. At the final stage, another prosecutor was involved. I didn't dare involve anyone else yet in the development of the Midas operation. The circle was kept tight. At the start, just a couple of people, then half a dozen.
20:12We didn't even dare to use the phone bags of the suspects, since we could only do that through the security service of Ukraine and that leads to information leaks. So without the wiretapping fonts, that means we had to use no methods from the 50s and 60s. First, we would locate someone, then we would need to plant a bug physically where they are. So we carried out a case this complex without any 21st century technology. Someone with knowledge of the investigation explained to me that planting the bugs usually required cooperation from people on the inside. The source said it's not that much different from spycraft in the sense that they are usually using three main ways of getting cooperation.
20:57One is to blackmail with compromising material. The second, to pay cash. The third is to get people on board ideologically. The last method is best, the source said. Likely, they tried all three. Many people identify Kilimenko as one of the main engines of the probe, constantly pushing it forward. His part is another one of those improbable moments. He won the competition to head Sapporo in late 2021, but vested interests did everything to block that appointment. It was only half a year later, and with the West threatening to withhold funding at a key stage in the war, that the system relented.
21:44For his detractors, Klimenko is trouble, a man who doesn't take the hints. He certainly made a lot of enemies of those in power since he took the job. Not only Chernyshev, another man, codename Carlson, would certainly be on that list too. Carlson, also known as Timur Mindich, is a longtime friend of the president, and the co-founder of Quartal 95, the media company that predated Zelensky's move into politics. A mogul, TV producer, and a Machiavellian operator behind the scenes, Mindich's influence extended across the world of politics and business. He's been accused of being the co-organiser of the syndicate behind the Enedgar Atom ruse.
22:36And if you're wondering how he spent some of his ill-gotten gains, well, photographs showed some clues, with one showing a golden toilet bowl in one of his apartments. The tapes contained plenty worse. At one point, money guy Shugroman complains of back pain from lugging all the millions of dollars to laundry points around Kiev.
23:04And how did you carry the box? To him? What the issue, just carry it. No, I mean the guy who brought it to you. What did he give you to, Ian? The box had a handle, like how a laptop is packaged. That's it. I packaged it later for **** because I took the million out. Then it's the same box, gave back 1.6. But yeah, carrying around 1.6 million isn't exactly pleasant. Extraordinary cynicism, when viewed by ordinary Ukrainians entering their fourth winter of war, many in cold and dark apartments, some in even grimmer trenches. The greatest test of the detective's creativity came when the criminals caught wind of their efforts.
24:01Fuck, I want to see the expert who will be decoding this in future. I'm the one checking all of it myself. Why are you doing this? What are you being so active about? Well, I wrote down some questions or whatever. they might be able to answer some of them. I'm telling you, they've decoded everything. All those codes. Leave it here. No, look, listen. We already talked about this. If there's a rat among us. Yeah, but even those rats don't know your codes. And this is my water. Drink your own, for God's sake.
24:46They started taking measures to cover their tracks. They began deleting and destroying some documents. The day before the surge, we know that one of the offices where the laundering of funds took place conducted a thorough cleaning and began wiping fingerprints to make it impossible to establish criminal responsibility. Over at Sapo, Klimenko learned that the criminal network had gained access to secret government's CCTV feeds. The tables had turned. Now they were able to spy on the detectives from afar.
25:23There was a conscious surveillance. During searches of their offices, we found materials showing that operatives more or less understood which unit might be investigating them. They collected reports, had photographs of a monobo vehicle moving around Kiev. So they were doing some digging too. And now that our operation had been made public, we will investigate who in the service was helping them. In the tapes, Timur Minnic, the man with the golden toilet, is heard telling a junior operative that work on Cernesha's villa estate would have to stop while the detectives were sniffing around. freeze it for the winter for a year
26:09oh for god's sake fuck i put my whole damn soul into that place just fucked up just to freeze it and leave what a nightmare we just can't you understand it's a nightmare for me and not for me stupid fucker. If he gets exposed in that case, we are all fucked.
26:37Naboo made their first overt move in June 2025, charging the deputy prime minister Chernychev with abuse of power and accepting bribes of an especially large sum. This was a result of evidence that flowed from the first Naboo sting operation with whistleblower Kubrakov, not directly from the Energa Atom scheme. With law enforcement closing in on Othello Corruptionier, you might have expected the stealing to stop, but in a further sign of their audacity, it actually continued for several more months. There appears to have been an assumption that they would never be brought to account. They were very nearly right.
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27:21In the wake of Chordnashov's arrest, parts of the government mobilized. In July, the presidential office dramatically increased the stakes. They began to wage a new war against Ukraine's anti-corruption machine.
27:46For those looking in from the outside, last summer's protests might have looked like any old rally against new legislation. In truth, it was a tense stand-off between unchecked power and accountability.
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28:59Temperatures had been rising for a week. On July the 11th, investigators under presidential control went after Kubrickov, the original whistleblower. They raided his office, as well as that of a well-known anti-corruption activist. The aim appears to have been to discredit them. On July 21st, Ukraine's security services, also under presidential control, then arrested several Naboo detectives who were directly involved with the investigation. They accused some of them of collaborating with Russia. Two of them were held, 20 to a cell, in pre-trial detention for several months. The very next day, July 22nd, MPs were summoned to a hurried vote by the President's office.
29:51They were asked to pass a bill that would put the trifecta of anti-corruption bodies under the direct supervision of a newly installed and pliant general prosecutor.
30:05Wilder-Mizelensky presented the changes as cleansing an inefficient system from Russian influence. Few in the know bought that line. Had the moves against NABU and Sapo been successful, they would have lost their ability to investigate freely, something detective Abakumov was always actively aware of.
30:35We understand that the proposed actions were aimed at making such an investigation subject to the direct oversight of the Prosecutor-General, who is a political appointee.
30:51It's not clear what exactly the presidential office knew about Nabooza investigations at the time they tried to defang them. They certainly knew that a member of their inner circle, Chodneshov, was in trouble. They almost certainly also knew of the existence of the tapes. By the end of July, even I was aware of them. They knew enough to decide the investigation needed to go away. What the President's office hadn't quite reckoned with was the scale of the public's reaction. The government! The government! The government! The government! The government! Thousands took to the square below the presidential compound to demand the climb down, risking in the process martial law arrest.
31:43It was far from clear how the drama would end. Ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank all the parliamentarians for the approval of my
31:56President Zelensky faced the biggest political dilemma of his presidency. He was being pressured on the one hand to reverse course by Western partners, the public, and even some of his officials. But others wanted him to stay the course. A repressive response against the protesters risked barking mass violence in a country armed to the teeth. In the end, Zelensky decided his only choice was to walk it back.
32:31Prosecutor Alexander Klimenko credits the Ukrainian people for saving his investigation, without having a full idea it was even happening.
32:45If the law hadn't been rolled back and the people hadn't taken to the streets, we would have simply lost this operation. but they went out and defended our independence so we were able to complete it. But at the time the legislation was adopted in the summer we don't believe the administration knew about this case. The rollback of the law was not the end of the story. It did nothing to blunt the appetite of corrupt officials who wanted to shut the inquiry down. For the detectives though, Nabuz Abakumov included, It had stoked a new fire.
33:29Honestly, the July events motivated us. We already knew what we were investigating and who might be involved. We had assembled the puzzle that took the first eight months to piece together. But then, that motivation helped us accelerate and achieve the result we did in November. Ukraine's anti-corruption bodies were on collision course with some very powerful interests. Soon enough, some very strange things started happening. In September, reports surfaced of an extremely odd exfiltration of a disgraced former MP, Fedor Christenko, from the United Arab Emirates. It was an extraordinary event, given how the Emirati authorities almost never permit such transfers.
34:22Short messages the former MP shared with local journalists suggested his return had been secured only after the deputy head of Ukraine's security services had issued him something akin to a death threat. On his return to Ukraine, Christenko appeared in court, charged with state treason. On November 15th, the former MP struck a deal with state prosecutors. In Ukraine, such deals require three things. Admitting guilt, paying damages, and crucially, agreeing to testify against someone else.
35:04multiple sources suggest he was about to be deployed in some underhand way to bring down both klimenko and the naboo detectives at the same time some media outlets loyal to the presidential office began portraying them as agents of moscow a source told me it had become a matter of who arrested whom first. Early in the morning of November the 28th, anti-corruption detectives appeared in the presidential quarter. They had come with a warrant to search the home and the offices of the president's chief of staff, Andrei Yermak. President Zelensky has announced a government reshuffle after the resignation of his chief of staff, Andrei Yermak.
35:56Despite holding no elected position, Andrei Yermak was seen as the second most powerful man in Ukraine. There was barely a government process that did not run through Andrei Yermak. If the aid is implicated, it would be huge and would force massive questions about President Zelensky's judgment. Sources with knowledge of the investigation tell me his office was raided in connection with an illegal enrichment charge, which may or may not come. Remember those four luxurious villas being developed in Kiev? I told you one of them was for former Deputy Prime Minister Chernyshov. Well, my sources say there is some suggestion that Yermak was the intended owner of one of the other villas.
36:46It has been widely reported he appears in the tapes too, as codename Ali Baba, an apparent reference to his first name and patronymic, Andrei Barisevic. I should make clear that no charges have been laid against Jermak, and he strongly asserts his innocence. But politically, Zelensky felt he had no choice. The material presented to him in dramatic meetings inside the presidential compound cut any room for manoeuvre. Twelve hours after the detectives turned up to search his office. Yermak was out. And he took it badly. Very badly. Sources tell me Yermak was beside himself, even yelling at the president that he had betrayed him.
37:40The shock of Operation Maidas continues to reverberate across Ukraine. People discuss it everywhere, in shops, offices, barracks, even government ministries. It is not the first time that compromising tapes have surfaced. Ukrainians remember the recordings which put then-president Leonid Kuchma in the spotlight after the grotesque murder of journalist Georgi Gangadze in 2000. But the evidence then was never conclusive, and Kuchma was able to claim he had nothing to do with it. Not so now. Never before has a political scandal been documented with such clarity and by an independent arm of the state itself.
38:26So far, Ukraine's parliament has dismissed the Energy and the Justice Ministers for their mere appearance in the scandal, even though they have not been formally charged. Deputy Prime Minister Cherny Shov has had new charges added to his tally. All assert their innocence.
38:46As for Zelensky's former business partner, Timur Mindich, that's Mr Golden Toilet Bowl, he fled the country before he could be arrested. Investigators say some of the spools of the Energa Atom scheme have been traced by wire to Moscow. It will take a long time, if it is at all possible, to understand what happened with the rest. Many of the low-level associates face charges. likely with an opportunity to cut deals with the anti-corruption authorities. That means this investigation still has legs. For detectives like Abakumov, the backdrop of war is reason enough to keep doggedly pursuing the case.
39:29I was truly shocked by the cynicism of people who would steal during a war, especially from protective elements of the electric grid and nuclear power plants. This makes our state weaker. I was shocked by their attitude and by the fact that other law enforcement agencies consciously ignored this. It highlights the fact that corruption is one of the gravest threats to our national security and it is probably the second most significant factor after the war affecting our sovereignty. For Zelensky, it is a political disaster. Internal polling shared with me shows that trust in him has halved in the wake of the scandal.
40:13That casts a long shadow over any re-election bid, which, if a peace deal is reached, could come as early as the spring. Jermak has not faced any charges. It is not clear if he ever will. He says that now he's not in office, he will enlist for military service. If he does, investigators will have to wait until the end of war, or until he's released from duty, before they can put any case before a court. The former chief of staff is the biggest, but perhaps not the last domino to fall. Rustem Umerov, the former defence minister and now Ukraine's chief negotiator, also features in the tapes. He remains central to defense procurement, which is a prime focus of NABU's inquiries.
41:03The scandal has already been used to hold Ukraine over a barrel, with punitive peace proposals that raise uncomfortable questions about national interests being traded against personal survival.
41:32Suspicion of America's motives runs deep inside the presidential office. Many believe the Trump administration is using the anti-corruption bodies to force Ukraine into a difficult and bad peace. This is likely a misreading. The Americans were heavily involved in setting up Ukraine's anti-corruption structures all those years ago, but they aren't now. And while the FBI does work with NABU, this is described to me as routine inter-agency cooperation. And it's certainly a claim that officials like Oleksandr Klimenko don't give any credence to. No one interferes in our work and no one interferes in our communications.
42:19The timeline doesn't fit either. Nabu's investigation began several months before President Trump even took office. As far as Klimenko is concerned, transparency and accountability are what pushes Ukraine forward.
42:44Fighting corruption is impossible without such high-profile investigations and charges. Impossible. You cannot fight corruption without showing actual cases. so this should not be viewed as something that harms Ukraine. No, it helps Ukraine, because we show where the problem is. Then the government, parliament and the president must make a decision to prevent such a back-office as assumable schemes in other sectors. That's all. I think this situation gives the country a chance to become much better. When you speak to some of the people behind this investigation, the detectives, the bureaucrats, you realise something about the dedication of their work.
43:30One of them told me an internal motto, don't think about the consequences. That's the thing that has been driving this investigation from the start, but it's also something that might cause the country reputational damage internationally, at least in the short term. Procedurally, the case is still in its very early stages. The revelations a month ago merely closed the first covert phase. Now detectives have a year to pursue the full investigation, conduct searches, and examine any material they seize. No one can say what it will reveal.
44:09We calculated only what we overheard. About 100 million US dollars went through that office, but now we must examine everything seized during searches. I think the final amount will be much larger. For now, the heads of the anti-corruption bodies are treading carefully. Last Friday, they seemed ready to give Zelensky, the flag-bearer of a country at war, some chance to manage the situation. The danger if this battle escapes control is stark enough. By the end, there may be no one left with the authority to sign a deal that ends this war.
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Ukraine has been hit by a corruption scandal. One that strikes at the core of the political establishment in a way never before seen—and this in a country with a long and turbulent history of corruption. It has toppled President Zelensky’s right-hand man. It could mean the President himself won’t survive re-election when the war is over. And the timing couldn’t be worse—right in the middle of a peace deal Ukraine has had little part in composing.
The Economist’s Ukraine correspondent, Ollie Carroll, has been following the scandal and the investigation that brought it crashing to the surface for months. On The Weekend Intelligence he takes us deep inside "Operation Midas”.
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