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9 Apr 2026 · 38m · 18 chapters

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Cristina Cordula, icône générationnelle magnifaik

In short

Brand recall and confidence/anti-ageing, centered on Cristina Cordula’s “Magnifique” image-consulting and makeup approach, plus her personal story of rebuilding self-confidence across decades.

Guest backgrounds

Cristina Cordula is a Brazilian-born French mannequin and relooking (image) expert. She became a model in Brazil, then moved to France/Paris, worked with major fashion houses, later reinvented herself around image consulting and beauty coaching, and opened her agency in the early 2000s (text says 2002/2020).

Key claims

Repeating the same message across multiple formats boosts brand recall (Acast Podcast Pulse 2026). Confidence grows when appearance matches identity. At 40+, ageing can be managed via skin quality, exercise, nutrition, and (for some) hormones; “glass skin” effects come from skin care quality, not just makeup.

Notable examples

Cutting her long hair after arriving in France; being rejected at castings (Valentino, Mugler) yet using it to build confidence; using Pilates/yoga and dance training; creating a quick, vegan, “clean” makeup with Brazilian ingredients (vitamin C from acerola/acai, mango butter) for women who lack time.

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Chapters

0:00

Brand Recall Insights

Learn about brand recall effectiveness across various media.

“We ask podcast fans where they take the most notice of a brand.”
0:45

Cristina Cordula's Influence

Discover Cristina Cordula's impact on confidence and self-expression.

“The guest that I receive today has made more than a question of clothes or clothes, but a question of a way of life, of confidence in soi, of philosophy of life, of posture and a way of affirmation to the world.”
1:40

Cristina's Early Challenges

Cristina shares her adolescent struggles with self-image and confidence.

“I wanted to ask, is it you had moments in your life, I imagine that yes, but even now, is it you remember having been bad in your face, for example?”
2:50

Becoming a Model

Cristina recounts her journey from insecurity to becoming a model.

“If you haven't chosen it, it's because you're not a author.”
4:04

The Turning Point: Haircut Revelation

Cristina talks about a life-changing haircut that boosted her confidence.

“And I read somewhere, I don't know if it's true, there's a friend who told you a day to cut the hair.”
7:12

Embracing Change and Reinventing

Cristina discusses her transition from modeling to becoming an image consultant.

“your confidence, your work, your personality, how you talk about people, how you arrive.”
8:31

Reflections on Ageism and Body Image

Discussion about ageism and the evolving perception of women in society.

“And then, a lot of times, the life is funny because I've done my career as a mannequin.”
10:14

Health, Fitness, and Self-Care

Cristina shares her views on health, fitness, and maintaining self-care.

“Yes, and that's what also say the actresses and women in general who say that at a certain age, I have the impression of no longer exist.”
14:03

Fitness Journey: From Brazil to France

Explore Cristina's fitness journey and her love for dance and Pilates.

“And more, here, there's no one in all the corners.”
16:47

Nutrition During Dance with the Stars

Learn about Cristina's dietary adjustments while participating in a dance competition.

“But in my daily life, I always do attention to what I eat.”
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17:42

Changes in Alcohol Consumption

Cristina discusses her relationship with alcohol and how it has changed over time.

“Good wine, a good Bordeaux, a good Margot.”
19:52

Skincare and Beauty Routines

Cristina shares her skincare routine and the importance of taking care of your skin.

“more engaged, harder to reach through traditional channels, and ready to act when someone they trust makes a recommendation.”
22:34

Aging Gracefully: The Importance of Self-Care

A deep dive into how Cristina manages aging and self-care practices.

“In off, but are people coming to talk about it?”
25:56

Daily Routines and Time Management

Cristina discusses her daily routines and the importance of organization in her life.

“And I know that if I don't think about my clothes, that I think at a moment, at my mood, how I'm going to get out of it, I'll go longer, even if I'm in the mood.”
28:00

Morning Rituals and Personal Insights

Cristina shares her morning routine and reflections on personal well-being.

“In one hour, I was going to get out of my car.”
29:54

Introducing Manifake: A New Challenge

Cristina discusses her new makeup line and the evolution of her career.

“You know that in life, there are cycles.”
35:06

Navigating Menopause and Aging

The conversation shifts to the physical changes of menopause and aging.

“Et est-ce que, Christina, il y a des choses qu 'on ne nous dit pas sur...”
37:49

Embracing Life After 50

Cristina emphasizes the importance of enjoying life and staying vibrant after 50.

“what you tell us about on the 60th I was married to 50 years old, my dear.”
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0:00We ask podcast fans where they take the most notice of a brand. The lowest scoring answer is repetition inside a single show. But move that identical message across audio and video podcasts, across podcasts and social media clips, or having several creators talk about it, and your campaign will get a 10-point increase in brand recall. That's just one finding in the latest Podcast Pulse 2026 report from Acast. Download it for free at acast.com slash pulse.

0:37Hello,

0:42it's Nora Mzaoui and you're listening to En Apparence. The guest that I receive today has made more than a question of clothes or clothes, but a question of a way of life, of confidence in soi, of philosophy of life, of posture and a way of affirmation to the world. Mannequin, puis experte en relooking. Elle a marqué toute une génération avec son énergie, son franc-parler et son magnifique. J 'ai la grande joie d 'accueillir aujourd 'hui Christina Cordula. Bonjour. Bonjour Christina. Je suis trop heureuse, comme je te l 'ai dit, en off de te recevoir. Merci. Ça fait, je pense, trois minutes qu 'on est dans le studio.

1:14On a déjà eu le temps de parler de maquillage, de plein de choses, de ton pantalon que je trouvais trop beau, de tout, de plein de choses. Merci. Pour moi, t 'es vraiment une icône of my adolescence, but even my young adult, on the confidence in itself, the appearance. I think you've really put these questions in France in advance on the programs that you incarnated. Thank you. With pleasure. I wanted to ask, is it you had moments in your life, I imagine that yes, but even now, is it you remember having been bad in your face, for example? Well, I was more petite, adolescentes, parce que l 'adolescence, c 'est une phase difficile pour tout le monde.

2:00On se cherche, on ne sait pas trop ce qu 'on veut. On commence à vouloir aimer les garçons, mais bon, les garçons peut -être ne vous regardent pas, parce que tu n 'es pas jolie, tu n 'es pas ci, tu n 'es pas ça, je ne sais pas quoi. Et j 'étais très grande dans la salle, j 'étais la plus grande, je n 'étais pas dans l 'esthétique brésilienne, donc j 'étais assez timide, I didn't have too much confidence in me. But after this confidence, I was taken because I became mannequin in Brazil. And that gives you more confidence. Even if the job of mannequin is double face, there are the sides that give you confidence, but there are also the sides that give you confidence.

2:49Because you're all judged. There's all things that don't go. If you haven't chosen it, it's because you're not a author. So it's really, you have to be strong inside. But it gave me confidence in the sense that I can prove myself that I'm not the worst class of the class, the most who doesn't serve as a person. When I was in the light, in the papers, I was doing television TV in Brazil. So I was in the light, in fact. And that, it showed me that I was not as much as I thought when I was little. And you were not repressed for the mannequin? On you were like that? No, I was not at all repressed.

3:31Nothing in my life was repressed. All in my life, I was all looking for. And as I wanted to be Monica, and my mother supported me, And I made photos, I made my first composite. My first photo I was sent to the agency. I was looking for it. So there was an agency that I got to do, an agency that I got to do. I started to do little things because I did my studies at the same time. After the fil in aigu, I met people. Now it was like that. But I looked for it. I looked for my happiness. Yes, of course. And I read somewhere, I don't know if it's true, there's a friend who told you a day to cut the hair.

4:10Well, the cut of the hair was much later. I was already a mannequin, but I wanted to become a mannequin international and known. I was already a mannequin in Brazil, but when I quit the Brazil, I had 20 years. But I had the hair long and I worked very well with my hair long. and my friend when I was in Italy. There it was a lot of questions, not at all in my mouth. I told myself, if people don't want to go to go to Brazil, it's there that people love, it's there that I work, it's there that I want to do what I do here, in a country that I don't know. I'm one of my friends, my parents, for talking with my parents, I had to talk with a jeton, three minutes, then write a letter, etc.

4:58Because you have a quel age in France? I was 20 years old. What do I have to do here in Spain and Italy? I didn't have the job, I didn't care about it. The people don't give me what I want. So, lack of confidence total and sadness. And also the pain of the country. It was almost an hour that I quit the Brésiline. I was not even arrived in France. I'm not even here. And my friend, who was a Brazilian friend, my coiffeur, he told me, Christina, you know why you don't work? I said, no, I don't know. He said, because you're a ringard with your hair long. I said, but it's you who have cut your hair.

5:35I tell you. And he said, yes, but it doesn't work here. It's not like that. In the Brésil, it works. But here, you're like everyone. You don't have your identity. You don't have your difference. You're like everyone. And you're not like everyone because you're Brazilian. You're the first Brazilian. There were very few Brazilian at the time. The Americans were very American. And then I said, you know what I'm going to say, I'm going to cut my hair. In any case, it will not be able to get my situation. And when he cut my hair these days, I loved it. It was a thing, I would say that it was always belonged to me.

6:15I loved it. How did it make you not done this thing before? And I was good. I don't know, it was a revelation. It was a revelation. to me, to my own. I was thinking, I found super, this couple me corresponds. And it gave me confidence in me. And from the end of the month, I saw the result. Because I started to have a job. I arrived at Paris. I had a full of work. I accepted it. I was very well at Paris. And I had a lot of work when I arrived for the Fashion Week. that I made the biggest. Really, my chance was to be at Paris. And the Dior, and the Chanel, and all that you can imagine, the outcouture, the pre-taporté, the magazines, the L.

7:04And so this coupe, I think it was a turning point. It's not only the coupe, after. No, it's what it made you. After, it's what you rayon, your confidence, your work, your personality, how you talk about people, how you arrive. Because at the time, at the time, what was very good, it was rather the personality of the mannequin who looked for. We were very different from each other. And we were working differently from each other. And that's what I wanted to do. And that you understood all of the time? Yes, but it was like that at my time, I was myself. But you don't compare it to other mannequins?

7:44No, but you always compare it. Because I was going to be in the casting de Valentino, il ne m 'a pas pris. C 'est parce qu 'il a préféré Marie-Pierre que moi. Alors Marie-Pierre, peut -être, elle a plus que moi, pourquoi ne me prends pas ? Thierry Mugler, pourquoi ne m 'a pas pris ? Ou alors, je ne sais pas, moi, vous voyez, tu arrives, tu vas dans un casting, tu n 'es pas prise. Parce qu 'elle est comédienne, il y a un moment où tu te... Voilà, tu vas se dire, pourquoi ne m 'a pas pris ? Mais bon, ça m 'a donné confiance en moi. Et ça, je l 'ai vécu, cette histoire that if you have an appearance that corresponds to you, it gives you confidence in yourself.

8:24Because I've lived it.

8:29We believe in something that we live. And then, a lot of times, the life is funny because I've done my career as a mannequin. A lot of time has passed, passed, passed, passed. After I became mom and everything. And at 40 years, I wanted to reinvent myself to do something new. I was not a mannequin since long. It's there that I heard talk about the consultant in images. And I said, it's great. I'm going to launch it in France. Because I can use my job of the mode. Everything I've learned in the mode, because I've learned a lot, it was my job. I started in the mode when I was 17 years old. I've been able to get all the most big couturiers.

9:11So everything I've learned, I want to be able to pass this information to other people. because people don't know. And they will feel better in their own. And when we see what I see, if I like what I see, I will feel better in my own. And if I'm good in my own, it's through something that seems very superficial. And this job, have you felt like you've been very loved, I think, the mannequin. Yes, it's my... But is there this pressure, I think... on the time who passed and the women? Because you said, so you said, at 40 years, I didn't work. To all of a sudden, it was a lot of work. Yeah, it's that.

9:54So today, it's a little different. It's not yet there. But the body positive, the age, the ageism, all that. There are more and more media that talk, there are the athletes that have women the most aged. But it's not yet that it's not yet. In society, it's to say, in the work, it's not yet that. It's not yet that. But how do you not know? Imagine in the 90s. Yes, and that's what also say the actresses and women in general who say that at a certain age, I have the impression of no longer exist. And it's not possible. Because it's not possible. And I think that our generation-là,

10:36like 50, 60, even 40, even this generation-là, it's because of us that it becomes in the light. Because before, at the time of my mother, it was a mess. It was not a mess. It was a bit of a mess. It was a mess. It was a mess. It was a mess. It was a mess. And there, well, of course, there was a lot of other things in which it made us wake up. The longevity, the medicine, it was a mess. But we, it's us who started to cry high and high, that at 40 years, we're not dead. I started the TV, I had 42 years. 40 years, I don't know. But at 40 years, normally... And you were a debut? I was married, I had 50 years.

11:24With my second wife. That's so joyous. Yes, of course. And it's a life that continues. And it's great to be able to... You know, I think it's us who are the first ones to put it in the mirror. And it's not yet to be gained in this life. But it's important to talk. for your daughter, your daughter, your children, your children, your children, that they will not be screwed at 50 years. And you have a very high rapport, I imagine, as it happens, because you have had plenty of experience. And as you said, there was a moment, a transformation of life professional at 40 years, sentimentale at 50. So it's good to have a lot of things to live, and it's joyous.

12:07But you feel it, there's something where you say, I don't know, like I imagine everyone in the glass where you're there, it's in the middle of the glass. Of course, when I see my Instagram photos, my photos of my phone when I start to say, sometimes there are memories of 10 or 15 years. I say, oh la la la. Sometimes there are memories that I was a mannequin. But I was a woman.

12:36On can't fight against the time. qui passent. Non, on peut ralentir, essayer d 'avoir une bonne hygiène de vie. Ce n 'est même pas ralentir. Moi, je pense qu 'il faut être bien à son âge, veiller bien. Je pense que moi, comme je suis consultante à l 'image, je trouve qu 'avoir une jolie apparence, ça te donne du boost. On vient de parler de ça. Moi, j 'essaie de faire de mon mieux, mais ce n 'est pas un effort. Je trouve que les gens, ce n 'est pas un effort de se l 'occuper de soi. It's love. Because if you give time to yourself, it's obviously going to be better. You go to gym. You know, when you take care of age, when you're working, it's very important.

13:25Before, people would do exercise to have the body fit, the jeunesse, etc. But no, if you want to work, you have to be careful of your health, of your body and your spirit. You have to do exercise. If you don't do exercise, you won't have the muscle. You'll fall when you have 80 years. You'll cut the femur and then you're wrong. So it's a prevention. And I, it's a pleasure. What's your hygiene of life sportive? Listen, I'm not... Well, the Brazilian, they do sport every day. Every day. That's the way I was used to be in Brazil. But I'm not a Brazilian. I live in France and I don't know. And more, here, there's no one in all the corners.

14:10You see, it's not a country that you're really trying to do sport like the Brazil and the United States. But now, it's starting to be more and more. I have three pilots studios who have opened. Yeah, it's coming. But it's from the 80s. It's been a lot of gym. In the 80s, it was aerobic. 90s also, it was aerobic. after it was very few things but what I do is I do Pilate and yoga I do Pilate 2-3 times sometimes on a matelas or on a reformer on a machine the real Pilate the Cadillac but well I knew Pilate for a long time because in Brazil it exists for a long time and every time I was in vacances I do Pilate there and everything so I found this rhythm So after I really liked dance too And I had two years I did dance with the stars But yes, of course And I always danced I danced to the age of 20, ballet, modern jazz And all over the Brazil I loved it since I was little And I loved dancing I loved moving my body And dance with the stars It was great Because I was back to dance In a very intense rhythm I did to prove to myself that I could do the exercise.

15:35Because it was minimum four to five hours per day. Minimum. And I was training with my dance teacher Jordan. The Sunday morning, I was a room to train with him. In the middle of the show. Because I was I was at level level. I was not... There were people better than me. And then I took the go. And I discovered the dance at the salon. I discovered and it's which has a connotation a little ringard but absolutely, it's an extra-tangu. But you know what? I had a joy in doing this episode because I made this episode to prove myself that I was capable and I was able to prove because I was capable. You know, 60 years ago, I was capable of touching the gym and my body was able to get it.

16:28And your body was able to get it. And that, for me, it gave me a lot of confidence. And so you had a healthy diet with that for keeping it all? Well, during the dance with the stars, yes, I asked my doctor, he told me how to eat. He told me that I didn't eat enough protein. Yeah, it's true. He told me that you have to take the protein with the banana for the potassium before you train. After, you have to put it on the stage. The day you dance with the stars, you have to take I don't know what, I don't know what, you have to take more, you have to take more, you have to take more, because the sel They keep your water because you dance 6-5 hours, you lose a lot, you dehydrate.

17:04Okay. But in my daily life, I always do attention to what I eat. But is it you have a little bit of alcohol? No, I don't have a vice. I don't have a vice. I've already been a lot of water. Yeah. I've been a lot of water. Yeah. You've been a lot of water. Ah, yeah. Yeah. I started to fumer when I was 17, 18 years old. Yeah. But my body, by himself, started to not want to. Yeah, it's true. I didn't want to force it. Because there are a lot of people who force it. And when you force it, it's more complicated to stop. The alcohol. But it was in the... The alcohol was festive. The vodka, the machin.

17:46One day, my body didn't want to. So I stopped. And then the day, the stuff. The gold bois. The mince. I was sick. I'm sick. Really, I'm doing the fiesta. I'm a very good wine. Good wine, a good Bordeaux, a good Margot. I'm going to drink my wine. It's going to be weekend. Before, I was eating every day. I arrived at work. I took my little wine. It's great. I think it's very healthy today. But I can't do that. I don't have any... My mouth, she doesn't ask. Yeah, it's that. And then you feel it. It's what we say all the time. I don't know. I have an impression. I have a friend who told me that the presbytes, you know, you wake up, you wake up, you're presbytes.

18:33I have an impression that the alcohol is the same thing. You have a thing where your body tells you that it's done. It's not a bad thing. Because in fact, the society says, oh, you don't drink, oh, you know. But wait. It's a little change. It's not because I don't drink, I don't drink. I don't drink because I don't drink. It's all. When I was little, I had no idea, it was to work. I was dreaming of being a food, a food, a library. I imagined, independent, having my own shop and being the owner of my little business. This feeling of independence, I finally got it on the scene, thanks to my spectacles.

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20:20You're beautiful. I imagine you're taking care of it. In fact, it's like you said, the collagen, the food, the food. The food, a lot of water. Do you do things like Gua Sha? I'm really... I'm a fan of Gua Sha at home. I use cream that I like. I make masks and all that. and what I do is I'm going to do some of the face but of any way I do some of the face I do it's not a secret I say every day I go to my dermatitis it's not that cream it's not that guacha it's really it's to be in deep you're good to say it because there are a lot of people who believe that it's not Non. C 'est -à-dire que, bon, déjà l 'alimentation, ce que tu bois, c 'est très important.

21:18La cigarette, machin. L 'alcool, machin. Boire à beaucoup d 'eau, machin. Ça, c 'est la balle. Le capital génétique, il existe aussi en vrai. Oui, le capital génétique. Mais si tu as une vie mauvaise, ta peau, elle va subir. Ça, c 'est sûr. Même si la personne a le capital génétique, si tu as une mauvaise habitude, ta peau, elle va subir. Mais moi, ce que je fais, c 'est qu 'au Brésil, je vais chez ma dermatologue

21:49dans laquelle tu occupes de ta peau avec des lasers, des lumières poussées, il y a plein. Il y a plein de machines. Plein de machines. En fait, il faut travailler la qualité de ta peau. Ce n 'est pas parce que tu as mis du maquillage, c 'est au contraire. Plus tu as la meilleure peau, plus le maquillage va être mieux sur toi. So the quality of the skin is to boost your collagen in deep, to give the glow, to close the pores, to remove the skin. And so I do that for years. I do that from the age of 40. And it's very important to your face. It's very important because it comes from the inside. But it's good that you say it.

22:33Do you think people talk about that? I would like to say that. I would like to say that. Everyone asks me. In off, but are people coming to talk about it? You see, I read plenty of interviews of actresses or things who say, I don't have anything. I don't have anything. I don't have anything. Contre what? They don't have anything. The lifting, the operation lifting. But even all... But all the dermatitis and to make the laser, it's not possible. It's not a taboo, but it's not possible. I think it's not a problem. But it's not a problem. It's not a problem. I think it's their problem. It's Botox.

23:03the remplissage you have already done? of course I do the bottom I work the quality of my body for lifting for keeping the muscles to try to not empir and then I take the vitamin C every day you take the vitamin C every day to drink to drink yeah I take vitamin C vitamin D what's that The thing that... The vitamin D, it's very important. How do we call it the thing that there is in the fish? The omega-3. The omega-3, too. I also have the food for the jour. Super important. What? I have an impression, frankly. But it's a blague. But it's a completely alimentary. On my table, there are 47. But yes.

23:48But it's important. Yeah, it's important. It's just that I do more sports. But it's just by cycle. I think it's too... And the age of all, all that... The hair, for example. Are you going to have your hair? Of course, my dear. I'm 60 years old. Yeah, but there are people who don't have it. They are happy. Or who don't have it. But what I'm saying is that it's a four. I'm not a four. I have four, but now I don't have four. Not a lot, but I still have the root. Yes, you wouldn't be white if you were. I don't know. Because I do my color and I'm holding it. But in the meantime, I don't want to make the color all the time.

24:22I respect completely the hair blonde. There are very beautiful and very chic with the hair blonde. I personally don't want it. And for the hair, I take the vitamins. for the hair and the angles which are very good. I forgot the names. I don't know. But I have the name of Manifake now. Ah, bon ? I'm so happy that you said Manifake once in this podcast. Do you have days where you train all the day in a survet a little moch? I have the survet, but I don't know if they're moches. I'm so pretty good, but I don't have the survet. I'll let it go for me. It's a thing that's moch, which is all over. I don't even know.

24:59I don't, I don't, I don't. It's important for you. I love the jogging. I love it. I have several, but they are nice. And the morning, you think you think about your face? I think about my face. I think about my face. Even in the morning. Or in the shower, I think about not losing my time. Because I'm a person of nature, angoissier. Ah, really? Yes, yes. And I like to have everything in control. For not losing my time. Okay. You know, the only moment where I'm not in the control, it's during the holidays. Because there, you don't have a job. You're not. But like I have a lot of work, if I'm not organized,

25:44I won't get to do everything. And it gives me already the anguish of not being able to do everything in the day. You understand? So it's an anguish constant. So to avoid this anguish, I'm organized. Okay. Yeah. And I know that if I don't think about my clothes, that I think at a moment, at my mood, how I'm going to get out of it, I'll go longer, even if I'm in the mood. So, what time do you do? The veille, sometimes I think, otherwise, for coming here, it was in my bed, I said, it's going to plu, so I put this, so after my bed, I'll put it in my bed. It's going to be much faster. You see, but I, the evening, I make my clothes in my head and I also do sports programs.

26:28But I don't respect it. And the next day, I'm not going to sport and I'm going to fill in a survey. Ah, mince. Ah, yeah. The morning, I think I have really a version of me that I dream in the head. And the sport, I do a lot of that. I'm in the gym, I'm in the gym. The morning, I'm in the gym. I'm at 8h. And the next day, I'm at... Ah, mince. It's got to motivate, my dearie. I know, I'm at 8h. The morning, it's too late. It's going to kick. Yeah. But there, by the way, I give it the luxury. because I work for myself. Sauf when I'm in a tournage. It's an story because it's a story. It's all about everything.

27:02But even in the tournage, I try to tournage 7am. I don't do it. I don't do it. Everyone knows. It's from 9am. But when I'm in a normal time with my agency, with my other things, my line of makeup, my rendezvous normal, my stuff. It's not a tournage. I organize it from 11am. But on the other hand, I can go to the end. Oui, oui. Et tu tiens de coups. Parce que le matin, j 'aime bien me réveiller. Et puis, attention, si j 'ai un rendez-vous à 10h du matin, parce que ça m 'arrive très souvent, qu 'il faut que je parte de la maison à 9h30 pour être à 10h, je me réveille deux heures avant. Il faut savoir ça aussi.

27:44D 'accord. Avant, je mettais mon réveil pour me réveiller au plus tard possible. Et du coup, je me préparais en une heure. and it was going to see how it was. I was going to wake up. The cafeteria was already prepared. The cafeteria, the shower, the other, my mom, my mom, my mom. I was going to wake up. I knew that she was going to get me. Because I organized it the day. In one hour, I was going to get out of my car. It was like that. But living in this speed, today, I have no idea. So, I wake up. So, if I have to be at 7am in a show, I have to wake up at 7am in a show. No way. It's for that. So it's for that 11 hours, 9 hours.

28:2410 hours, okay, 10 hours. I wake up at 8 hours. I wake up my coffee. I wake up in silence, without noise, without everything. After I wake up my shower. Are you doing these things like I drink a glass of tea when I wake up? I drink a glass of tea. I have a lot of tea. Very good. Hier, I was doing a reflexology plantain. Ah, j 'adore. Alors là, c 'est mon kiff. Ah ouais, ça c 'est merveilleux. Et il m 'a dit qu 'il ne fallait plus boire après 19h30. Oui, je sais, les Chinois disent ça. Mais le problème, c 'est que moi, la nuit, j 'ai soif. Je me réveille la nuit, je bois. J 'ai soif. Bah écoute, c 'est ce qui m 'est arrivé hier.

29:03Et je sais, j 'étais dans un dilemme. Est-ce que je l 'écoute ? Est-ce que je prends ça ? Ah non, mais moi, si je ne bois pas, je... C 'est pas possible. Donc du coup, il y a des choses qui... Il faut écouter son corps. Moi, j 'ai soif, je bois. Oui, a priori, c 'est ça la logique. Attends, tu as un animal domestique, cette question n 'a rien à voir. Non, je n 'ai pas d 'animal domestique. Ce n 'est pas que je n 'aime pas les animaux, j 'aime bien, mais je n 'ai pas. Tu n 'en as pas dans ta ville. Je n 'ai jamais eu, en fait. Ah oui ? OK, parce que je te visualisais le matin, elle a te réveillé deux heures avant et je me demandais s 'il y avait un petit chat.

29:32Non, non, non, il y a moi et mon café, toute seule dans le salon, parce que tout le monde dort. J 'ai déjà ma chaise que je me mets tous les jours le matin. C 'est déjà mon rituel. I take my coffee. I let me wake up. I was going to ask you a question. Wait, it was related to what? Manifake? Maybe. Tell us about Manifake. Manifake is a new challenge in my life.

30:06You know that in life, there are cycles. 20, 30, 40, 50. There are cycles. We have all of them. and in this cycle we change the way to think we change the way to think at 30 years I'm a young mom or not I'm a family in my work at 20 years I'm a school so I'm a family 40 years I'm a family attention, society it's how to do the press I'm not old and everything but and then I'm arrived at a moment in my life where I was thinking I wanted to do a new thing I want a new challenge because I always do the same thing for very long time and I love what I do, but I want a new challenge it's that you have a challenge it's that you give it a longevity it's important in life to have projects to have things for me in any case new things and a good day there were several people who had already proposed to make sure that they were and a good day I had someone who asked me to make a makeup.

31:14And the makeup, I loved the project because I love makeup. And I, as I was a mannequin, I was very well makeup. And after, I always liked it. Since I was little, I always liked my makeup. I was in my house, I was in the extra. I liked that. And then I realized, one day I was going to make a makeup makeup. It's genial. J 'aime ça parce que c 'est différent du mannequinat, c 'est différent du consultant animal. Mais c 'est un prolongement de mon travail puisque je parle du maquillage. C 'est quand même mon travail. J 'aurais pu faire une ligne de vêtements. Mais les vêtements, je connais tellement par cœur, j 'ai tellement travaillé là-dedans que le maquillage, pour moi, c 'était un prolongement de mon travail, mais c 'était différent.

31:57Et j 'ai tellement... Mon agence, j 'ai ouvert dans l 'année 2020, 2002. J 'ai tellement vu des femmes passer devant moi. Tellement, Tellement, tellement, tellement. Tu imagines ? J 'ai brassé des femmes dans mon agent, dans mes émissions, dans mes livres. Tu as un client type, toi ? Une cliente type ? Il y a de tout. Il y a des filles qui cherchent du boulot. Il y a des filles qui ont ça comme anniversaire. Il y a d 'autres qui ont à peine 20 ans et qui n 'ont aucune idée de maquillage. Il y a des jeunes, des plus âgés, de tout. Il y a celles qui sont divorcées. Il y a des femmes très bien qui travaillent, qui sont indépendantes.

32:33Il y a des hommes ? J 'ai des hommes aussi, bien sûr. I had a guy last week, a guy last week, who told me and my team how many he was happy. And I always heard when we arrived in the chapter of the makeup, I said, Christina, I haven't had the time to make it. I said, Christina, I don't want to stay in half-hour, 40 minutes, in front of the mirror, in the mood of makeup. And then the sensation of makeup, I don't like it. But the people think about the makeup. The majority of people. The majority of people. So it was all a work. And I said, I'm going to do the makeup for women. Because women, they don't want to feel a face.

33:18And they have reason. They don't want to feel a mask in the face. They don't want to stay 30 minutes in front of the mirror. They don't have time. They have children. They work for them to make makeup. So they finish making n 'importe how. You know what? I don't have time. I put the mask on. I put the mask on. and it's all bad. It's the time first. And I created a makeup for all these women. A makeup easy, clean, vegan and which brings some of the health with Brazilian ingredients. So there's a vitamin C which is vitamin C from Brazilian origin which is the acai, which is the acerola. There's a beurre of acai, a beurre of mango.

34:01There's a lot of things which bring to the hydration. to your face. So it's a skin-so-so-so, easy to apply. Texture, on dirait that you're not skin. And it's clean, so it's good. And then, in 20 minutes, 15 minutes, top chrono, you can make a skin. It's just to go to the website. There's plenty of tutorials that show how to do I wear my hair, how to do I work, I do this, I do that. I'm not a weekend. There's plenty of tutorials. Even in your age, you can't make a skin. There are models of all ages and all incarnations. So, as I'm coached, I'm a coached advice on how to be better at yourself, and there also, there's a coaching.

34:50It's a beauty coaching. And that's a huge challenge for me, because it's always been working the formula, developing the formula. I've been surrounded by experts people, and it's a beautiful adventure. It's called Magnifique. Magnifique. Oui, on va aller voir. Moi, je suis passionnée de maquillage, donc évidemment que je vais tester. Évidemment. Et est-ce que, Christina, il y a des choses qu 'on ne nous dit pas sur... Tu vois, on parle beaucoup de l 'adolescence, de l 'acné, de quand tu vieilles, tu as des rides, des trucs et tout. Par exemple, la ménopause. Moi, j 'ai une copine l 'autre jour qui me disait « je refais de l 'acné ».

35:19Et mon médecin m 'a dit « c 'est normal, c 'est hormonal, c 'est la ménopause ». Est-ce qu 'il y a des choses physiques que tu vois se transformer ? Parce qu 'on nous parle en effet des cheveux blancs de la presbytie, c 'est tout. Tu as l 'impression que sinon tout le reste, on connaît la gravité et tout. Est-ce qu 'il y a des choses où tu te dis « Ma peau, mon truc, je me sens mal. » Oui, oui, oui. Alors, la peau, elle s 'affine et elle se dessèche. Ok. J 'ai de plus en plus la peau… Bon, je n 'ai jamais eu la peau grasse. Donc, du coup, c 'est un avantage à l 'époque et aujourd 'hui, c 'est même un désavantage parce que vraiment, il faut que je me…

35:53I put crème like butter, very, very, very nourishing. Because I have a very fine and dry. But after... Honnêtement, I will tell you, since I had a sign of the ménopause, I started to take hormones. And the hormones, it has a lot of help. So I had the chance of not having a shower. The humor, I did not see that. I had a lot of chance there. And I believe really hard that hormones help a lot because you're in care of a lot of things. And it's that that makes you feel... The mood swings, the buffet, the stuff. But the women, they suffer. But it's a suffering. It's really complicated. So all these supplements that I take, it's for that.

36:46It's for the muscles. Because your muscles, it's liquidified. It's for that you need to do There's a lot of exercise. There are people who do exercise with the weight. I do Pilates. It's important to re-muscler. I do an alimentation with a lot of protein. Because your body changes. Your body is more muscled than before. You have to pay attention. I take a lot of ingredients, like creatine, protein, etc. For that. before I didn't take it you have a lot of your age where you papote you have all that yes I have a lot of my age and I have a lot of that and I see things that I tell you that I haven't received but I know that it's true and it's all to pass the cap unfortunately it's all there and the supplements alimentary can help so in gros it's rather a joyous what you tell us about on the 60th I was married to 50 years old, my dear.

37:55I was already ménopausée. Because I had a ménopause precoce. Ah oui ? Oui, précoce. I had a shock emotional and I had a ménopause precoce. So at 50 years, I was grave. Déjà en ménopause ? Oui, déjà. Oui, I met my friend when I was 50 years old. So, you give me advice, your guy? What? What? What? No, for the skin, no, no, no, no. For the style? For the style, he became a addict of style. I think I gave him the thing. He's worse than me. I'm super cool. I don't do a disease. And he said, oh, he loves the look. He loves shopping. It's good, it's good. It's good. I was like, oh, no, no. It's not like that.

38:51You say sometimes that it's not possible and that it's a look atrocious? No, because he's not. He's super looky. He's good. He's a good allure. Very good. Christina, I thank you. It was very joyous. It was very joyous. Thank you, my love. On se dit qu 'on peut avancer dans le temps avec beaucoup de joie. Ah, yes, exactly. Because if you think that everything is finished at 40-50 years, my dearie, you're still 30 years before you. It's not possible. And then we'll all go to Brazil, I think. Exactly, I recommend you. Thank you very much, Christina. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anti-age, makeup, makeup, lifting, such a ming, botox, antox, L-amorflay, contouring, glass skin, mask, peau flask, relâchement, hair blanc, acne, zone T, brillance.

39:30En appearance.

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From the publisher

Elle a bercé mes années étudiantes, l’époque où je digérais encore le gluten (ou que je ne le digérais déjà pas, mais où je pensais que c’était normal d’ouvrir son jean après les repas 🤡), à manger des bols de coquillettes au comté devant la télé, pendant que mes slims séchaient à la laverie. 

On était en 2013/2014, je découvrais Cristina Cordula, et je débutais le stand up dans des mini scènes ouvertes. Je me souviens d’un premier spectacle flash, où je parodiais une relookeuse super cash, devant 7 personnes venues m’applaudir. 

Sa coupe de cheveux, sa gouaille, son franc-parler me font un effet doudou et ont marqué toute une époque de ma vie, tout comme mon sanibroyeur ou encore mon sac de sport American Apparel.

🥳 Merci Cristina d’avoir accepté mon invitation dans En Apparence. 


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Un podcast imaginé, produit et animé par Nora Hamzawi

Enregistrement, montage, mixage : Adrien Beccaria - L’Arrière Boutique Studio

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Animation générique : Hubert Forgeot

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