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En apparence

9 Jul 2026 · 44m · 18 chapters

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Pauline Clément, du salon de beauté à la Comédie Française

In short

The episode of “En Apparence” is a conversation with actress Pauline Clément about her path from beauty training to acting, and how appearance, confidence, and discipline intersect with performance. She discusses earning a CAP in aesthetics (including manicure and depilation training), working in beauty retail (e.g., Makeup Forever at Galeries Lafayette) and dreaming of opening a spa. She also reflects on feeling complexed about her physique and how stereotypes in cinema affected her self-image. Clément describes learning and performing long texts for Comédie Française touring, sleep problems during intense periods, and her coping strategies at castings (reciting lines, sometimes whispering). She shares that she doesn’t have a strict skincare routine, uses a few products (e.g., cocoa oil, “face of baby” cleanser), and does Pilates/Reformer irregularly. Key examples include her discomfort watching early video montages and intimacy-coordination practices in the film.

Guests

Pauline Clément (solo guest); host Nora Mzaoui.

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Chapters

0:00

Pauline Clément: Career Journey

Nora interviews actress Pauline Clément about her diverse career.

“Losing weight can feel like a roller coaster, full of ups, downs, and being thrown for loops, like when someone brings donuts into the office, or your kids' dino nuggets start giving you that look again.”
1:23

Pauline Clément: Career Journey

Nora interviews actress Pauline Clément about her diverse career.

“L 'actrice que je reçois aujourd 'hui porte en elle une liberté réjouissante.”
2:17

From Aesthetic to Acting

Pauline shares her transition from aesthetics to acting.

“Pardon, je les regarde comme s 'ils étaient là, mais qu 'on sera pile au moment de...”
3:30

Beauty Industry Insights

Discussion on experiences in the beauty industry and its challenges.

“We had makeup on the day, makeup on the night, makeup on the night, makeup on the marriage.”
6:10

Personal Growth Through Experience

Pauline reflects on her personal growth shaped by various experiences.

“Et tu travaillais dans le restaurant, non ?”
7:30

Navigating Self-Image and Performance

Exploration of self-image as it relates to performance.

“Who would be at school and who could come as a client.”
9:30

Cinematic Perspectives and Stereotypes

Discussion on stereotypes in cinema and personal perceptions.

“really, I was thinking, if I was not giving the ability to be an intello, why not on not put the blue eyes, You have the eyes clairs, right?”
14:00

Reflections on Physical Appearance and Performance

Explore personal experiences and feelings about physical appearance in acting and performance.

“So there are beaucoup people inside these evidences.”
26:30

Challenges of Discipline and Health

Discuss the struggles with maintaining health, discipline, and fitness.

“Not enough, because, for example, I have a gift in a gift.”
28:00

Exploring Pilates and Fitness

Learn about the journey into Pilates and its impact on well-being.

“You don't know what to do, but without knowing you have an impact that's enormous in my life.”
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30:00

The Challenge of Time Management

Discover the struggle of balancing fitness with a busy schedule.

“My problem is that I'm going to do zero.”
32:10

Life on Tour with Comédie Française

Insight into the lifestyle and routines of actors on tour.

“Et du coup, je suis censée avoir du temps, mais finalement, non, parce que je fais la tournée de promo, donc je vais dans les villes et tout ça.”
33:45

Diet and Sleep Patterns

Understand how diet and sleep habits affect performance and health.

“or if you do a job In all case, if I play, I make a job at what I had to eat before I didn't eat a lot of time I eat at 18 hours.”
35:50

Memorizing Lines and Preparing for Roles

Learn techniques for memorizing lines and preparing for performances.

“I ask you to ask two brochures, and we do the text.”
37:50

The Challenges of Intimacy in Acting

Explore the complexities of performing intimate scenes on stage.

“I said, I didn't have a voice with someone.”
40:50

Skin Care and Personal Care Routines

Discuss the importance of personal care and skincare routines.

“more times about all of you and all of you...”
42:02

Discussion on Beauty Products and Personal Preferences

Explore various opinions on beauty products, scents, and personal grooming choices.

“Yes, I don't support the odorant that you smell all the day.”
46:49

Discussion on Beauty Products and Personal Preferences

Explore various opinions on beauty products, scents, and personal grooming choices.

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1:12Anti -âge, maquillage, lifting, slut-shaming, botox, intox, elle a morflé, contouring, glaskin, masque, peau flasque, relâchement, cheveux blancs, acné, zone T, brillance, en apparence. Bonjour, c 'est Nora Mzaoui et vous écoutez En Apparence. L 'actrice que je reçois aujourd 'hui porte en elle une liberté réjouissante. Elle me réconcilie avec cette fameuse phrase qu 'on peut entendre, en France on te met dans des cases, ou encore avec cette idée qu 'il y a du chic et du populaire et pas les deux, ou des carrières de cinéma d 'auteur et d 'autres plus mainstream. She has not had to be embarrassed of all that and has done what she wanted.

1:43Some of the know through sketches on YouTube, others by the French. In fact, she will be at the same time as the French film, of Bertrand Husclat and Martin Darondeau in the 20th of July. I'm very happy to receive Pauline Clément today. Hello, Pauline. Hello. It's fine? It's fine. I'm going to tell you guys who listen to us, who watch us, if you find us very beautiful, but of any way, we were very beautiful even if we are Maquille aujourd 'hui, parce que Pauline est en pleine promo. J 'ai plein de questions à te poser, mais du coup, je me suis penchée sur ta bio. Déjà, bravo pour le film, qui est trop bien.

2:16Je te le dis en off. Et je vous invite vivement. Je pense qu 'on sera pile au moment... Pardon, je les regarde comme s 'ils étaient là, mais qu 'on sera pile au moment de... Ou peut -être un peu avant. Mais bon, bref, c 'est en salle. Donc vraiment, allez-y, parce que ça fait quand même beaucoup trop plaisir de voir des comédies si réussies. Ils ont eu des tonnes de prix à l 'Alpe d 'Huez. Et and the question that I was asking, with the actors of the French comedy, because there were some that I didn't know. Yes, it's a casting comedy-françaises. Yes, so it's a great responsibility. I think, for all your relationship and all the people.

2:51Yes, it's true. And I read that at a moment, you had, before you were a comedian, you had made a CAP aesthetic. Yes, it's true. Well, it's a passion. And by choice also. By choice, yes. Yes, before I had done electricity, not really by choice, because there was no choice. But aesthetic, I chose. I had to do a painting, because I was well in the painting, but I was not quite a doué. I was telling you, if I'm in a school of painting, there's a girl who's singing super well, there's a girl who's singing super well, it's not going to do a painting. So I was going to do a painting. And then I had a painting of a bio, pretty intense.

3:27After there was a painting of normal, English, math, etc. And there was a painting of a painting. We had makeup on the day, makeup on the night, makeup on the night, makeup on the marriage. Genial. These are three categories. We had the palette with very strong colors for training, you know, the rose fuchsia and all. We had the course manicure, the course depilation. Yeah, it's a bit that that I'm afraid. Because I dream of doing a CAP, I don't know. Ah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to open my salon for after, in case of. Okay. Well, there's a course depilation. And that's obligated. Well, in all my training, it's obligated.

3:59And we're going to get it between us. Ah, yeah. Yes, it was теперь theékipulation을 ё P. E. MAGI hear거든요, so we were in clothing. It won't go with sweat, but in general it was more… I was more depressed than that. I wasn't..." I don't remember the greatness of this incubation I was travelling back after the days of this, repassion I was formingِ!!! There was no sweat region! because for the course of the depilation, it's not easy if you are rasied. So let's go for a little bit. So let's go for a little bit. And that's a training you've made to go to? No, I've done two years. So I've had my CAP.

4:39And then I had to do the BP. And then it was all the stuff you've got. And I didn't do it. And I did also model. But you're in a way, so you know how to do it. Yeah, but it's a good thing. Because it was only two years. After I think I've got things, I've got things, I've got things. I've got things where I start. I do things like that. I do it even to my wife, for him to sleep, it starts there. So it makes like a grand main. I do it on the front and all. And I do it on the side. Ah ouais, the reflexology, a little bit. Yeah, a little bit of shiatsu. I do it on the side. I do it on the side. Epilation, I don't know why it's too hard on soi-même.

5:10It's terrible. Yeah. To get rid of the skin, it's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. So I don't do it. I don't do it. Maquillage, I don't do it. Non, but you could do it. I don't do it. corps. En fait, je n 'ai pas fait les trucs de drainage et tout ça. Et manucure, je faisais aussi. Et j 'aimais bien. Je voulais ouvrir un spa. J 'avais travaillé chez Makeup Forever aussi à la boutique, Galerie Lafayette. Et je voulais chouchouter les gens. Mais au Galerie Lafayette à Haussmann ? Je me trompe, pardon. J 'étais à la Samaritaine avant. Et après, j 'étais au Galerie, mais c 'était pour vendre des habits.

5:46Moi aussi, j 'ai vendu des habits au Galerie. Moi, j 'étais chez Bonpoint pour les enfants. Ah, la chance ! Je ne sais pas pourquoi, je trouve ça hyper chic. Oui, c 'est chic. Oui, c 'est chic. En fait, moi, je te dis que je vendais des habits. Je dis n 'importe quoi. Je travaillais dans les bureaux en haut qui sentaient le McDo parce que c 'était tout près du McDo. Moi, c 'était à l 'époque où il y avait encore un restaurant chinois à côté du McDo. Ok. Où je mangeais tous les jours et j 'ai pris genre 17 kilos, je pense, en travaillant au Galerie Lafayette. C 'était quand ? Ça doit faire 20 ans, quoi.

6:11Et tu travaillais dans le restaurant, non ? Non. En fait, dans les bureaux, je travaillais pour les... En fait, c 'était vraiment une planque. It was before the online boutique And I was occupying The site internet But like there was no boutique online There was nothing to do It was just writing Open 1er mai It was the beginning There was nothing to do And I was walking But we had a price But then And that's something You did with really Envie That's what you wanted to do That you still passioned That you interested I was at a point I was absolutely I had also done I had also done I was doing a stage Just in a thing I was doing I was doing a thing d 'épilation.

6:47Je me souviens très bien parce que c 'était vraiment avant MeToo et tout. Puis il y avait une fille qui était venue et qui avait dit « Il y a un mec qui m 'a demandé une finition de massage. » Et tout le monde, toutes les études étaient genre « Qu 'est-ce qu 'on fait ? Comment on s 'y prend ? » Et c 'était vraiment genre, il n 'y avait rien d 'organisé. Et je m 'étais dit genre « C 'est quand même dingue, c 'est un petit salon avec que des meufs qui travaillent, qui sont hyper jeunes. Et elles étaient toutes genre « Oh là là là, qu 'est-ce qu 'on fait ? » Et je me disais « C 'est fou que ce soit...

7:10Qu 'est-ce que c 'est ? Il n 'y a rien. » And in all cases, I was at a level, but I started to do theatre in amateur. I liked that. And then I told you that I was going to do theatre. That I was going to do theatre. And then I would return to my B.P. And then finally, I was not going to be able to do it. Yeah. But in all cases, on the other hand, it was a great pleasure. And then every Saturday, we had a client who came. It was our aunt, our cousins, who we wanted. Who would be at school and who could come as a client. We would have to make a little bit of a fire. Because we were not going to do it.

7:37So it was not... I love it. It was not great, great. It was a little crude and all. a little bit of the stuff, but it was not cheap. But it was super strict. It was going to be a blouse blanche, to make a chignon really well, to make a look, not to have a little bit of a noir on the shoulders. It was going to be a rest of you, you girls, you guys. And it's a thing that you feel like it's something that you have a little bit... Yeah, but at a moment, it was a little bit of a thing. At a moment, I was thinking, it's a mess. We didn't have a draw of jeans. In jeans, it was not a draw of basketball, par au jean.

8:11Je me disais quand même, jean, ça va quoi. Et tu étais quel genre d 'ado ? Tu t 'intéressais déjà au maquillage, à l 'apparence, à plaire ? Non, parce qu 'avant, j 'étais dans une école que de garçons. Et du coup, là, je me suis dit, il ne faut plus que je mette de jupe parce que ce n 'est que des garçons adolescents. Je suis la seule de l 'école. Pourquoi tu étais la seule fille de l 'école ? Parce que je faisais avant mécanique, menuiserie et tout. Donc là, je m 'étais mis le jogging jaune Lacoste. Et là, du coup, pas de maquillage, I didn't know. And it's for that I switched. When I was in aesthetic, I switched.

8:44Yes, it was pretty radical. It was pretty radical. I was going to buy a menu with the guys. And even in my habits, all of a sudden, I bought a little bit of ballerines roses with noeuds. I was really all in the very, very girly. And before that, I was told that in the school where I was, it was not possible. It was necessary to stay the most possible possible. And when you were younger, your parents talked a lot about your appearance. There was a thing about, just to well be able to stay, to be an an an. No, not too much. But, for example, when I was thinking that I was dysorthographically, dyslexically, dyslexically, dyscalculically, I was thinking, putain, by the way, it's because I have a lot of lacunes who make me feel that I have a lot of fun.

9:26Okay. But why not on not put the beauty? I was really, but really, really, I was thinking, if I was not giving the ability to be an intello, why not on not put the blue eyes, You have the eyes clairs, right? I have the eyes verts, but it's not a 2 mètres I'm not a mirror I see them not a mirror The people who have the eyes really marred But really not a mirror They look like they pench a little I don't know what a mirror They look very well, even a mirror I always say that I have the eyes verts And on your passport, you have written what? Vert, because I think it's me who said it I said it's me, I said it's me, I said it's me I said it's me, I said it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me They're so verts They were very very good.

10:07But in any case, I was completely engrossed. And I was thinking, there would have been a little bit of a push. Because I was thinking, if I had been a total cannon, it would be a problem. I would have been a problem. I would have taken another voice. But I was thinking, there, frankly, it was... And I was really in anger of that. But you were complexed, or just you said, they would have to do me... Enfin, the universe. Yes, the universe. You were complexed, like you didn't know it? Or you were just... Ah, when I was... I was complexed. I was furious. I was told that they didn't help me. I was told that there was no one that I had to be a little mignone.

10:45I was really... I was told that I could be out of this side. You said that I was compensating. I was compensating. And so I started to complexize very much. In saying that there is no quality. It's complicated. Hyper violent. What you told me at this moment. Ah oui, je n 'étais pas du tout contente avec mon physique. Et je me disais, je ne veux même pas changer de style. Je veux bien être chatin, je veux bien garder mon style, mais juste en super. Oui, en milieu, je vois très bien ce que tu racontes. Mais quand tu as ton diagnostic sur les différents troubles, on appelle ça dysfonctionnements, est-ce que c 'est un truc qui te soulage quand même de te dire, ah bon, très bien, il y a une raison ?

11:27Non, parce que comme on me dit ça, mais qu 'il ne se passe pas grand-chose, que les écoles ne savent pas trop quoi faire, ils me disent, on va te prendre en soutien. a little bit more. So I'm thinking, the words that I'm saying, it's not like today. I'm thinking, there's still a lot of things that I'm saying, but I'm thinking, when I say something, TDA or I don't know what, I can say, but you know, I'm TDA, and the others say, well, of course. And then, if I said, I'm dysorthographically, it's not a problem. Yes, it's not a problem. Yes, it's not a impact. But what's funny is, it's to say, in this complex moment, at that moment, you start thinking, and in the same time, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm going to place it on the apparence in a way very nevrotique, but I would say if you're complexed on your apparence to be a comedian, it's still the thing that potentially makes you most face at it, at a moment it's why when you say you're a-treat all that, I'm not I was not going to I was able to play it, I was a lot of I was able to play it, I found a pleasure but also a pleasure of the imagination I was going to say, you're in this impro, you're a maîtress of school I don't know what, there's an incendie, what do you do?

12:31and there I had plenty of ideas, I'm going to bring all the kids to the forest I had plenty of ideas, it's a little bit but I had plenty of ideas I was very well, there was an imagination that was a lot of fun, but never I would have said that I would do cinema because I don't know, for me in the films there was Laetitia Casta, it was a girl mannequin, comedienne I don't know, I didn't know there were also different but I didn't have no imagination there-dessus, I didn't say that I would do cinema at a moment I was thinking I wanted to do the theater because I like the theater but I thought that the films, I thought I thought it was super beautiful and to be able to do it like that and that the director was like, yes, yes well of course, we were also a little with this kind of thing this culture-like, the woman sublime and the pigmalion who looked at the muse and I saw some romantic comedy in the romantic comedy they were all super beautiful, the girl is super beautiful and then they don't look at it then one day they look at it But you have an impression that it changes a little bit?

13:30I have an impression that I have a little bit. I'm sure that you say that and I'm not saying that because I want to compliment the people there-dessus because it's what I try to not do and all. But you're still pretty beautiful. It's just that you don't correspond to what we imagine. Because I have an impression that we have to grow with the Miss Météo of Canal who was a top model or the Japs Bungal who were a top model. The girls on the top model are all of a good. How they do like that? They do have a ceremony. I thought it was too much, for the cinema. So there are beaucoup people inside these evidences.

14:05They imagined this same thing. So they call it all the estimates, well there is always it happened to theении of the maps but it's not just in the stereotypes, not in the canonicals.. When I had to carry out, I was attentive to show these guys with physical faces. They had all of a nice mouth, a small eye eyes and eyes like that. Yeah, that's nice, I happening. I had to tell you the hair there. I had always told you I had the hair there. But in fact, my hair, if they are there, at the end, they are like that. So I cut them. It's great how this person you have done in the film. Yes, it's a thing that someone told me.

14:33It's for that it's super funny. It's super sincere. She told me, I can't spoil it, but she told me, I told you, she told me, it's good that she cut her hair. She was too vexed. And so, we were in the film. And it's also true, this moment where she comments even your face. You say, but the thing is an violence. Yes, in saying, you're going to have to do it. It's all flat. At least before, there was something. But it's also something that you have to feel a little bit of a... Is it more a liberation? Or is it you say, I'm going to feel a little bit this thing on the physique?

15:11Now, I'm not more. I'm not more. Then the advantage I have never really left gustado me I haven't been enjoyed at least I'm sorry I rough Just. I didn't even know about it. I know that it's hard to be bitte toal king of large mulheres.

15:40I watch it now and feel certain they're more when I realize it. It's not there that's what's done. Yeah, it's that But in any case, the first time I saw it at the screen It was for videos With my group, videos Yes, you aiment And I was interdict of montage Because I was watching, I was on the floor I was like this, I said it's horrible It's horrible And I said, I can't And I couldn't see it, but it was an epidemic I was in a state of nerves And I couldn't watch the video And I said, it's nul, it's affreux It's not to post it. And you're watching, plus you've listened to everything. I didn't listen to everything.

16:22I didn't listen to everything. I was thinking, it's horrible. I was looking forward to the head. Oh my God, what's going on? And I had to work there-dessus to be able to see. Because I wanted to see the stories. And if it's good, it's good. But how do you work there-dessus? It's interesting. To be able to see things, I ended up having a little... I don't know how to say... my nerves. You don't have the feeling that sometimes when we revoit that it's like if the first time we felt it and that I don't know how to say four days after, five days after, one month after you revoit you're like, no, in fact, all goes well.

16:57Yes, it's been a few times. Because the first time, it's always a shock where you're like, what's this thing that I see? You know, it's one of the reasons for which I make my direct is that I don't want to go. I don't want to go. I could not be there at the montage. But the idea of... And then, in the theater, In a spectacle, it's hard. Then we play bigger. Ah, yeah, yeah. It's hard. The captations of the spectacles, I don't regard them. But what's funny is when I look at the videos of Yes, you Aime, for example, at the beginning, the videos where I hated it, where I look at... I have 25 years and all.

17:32And I look at it with tenderness. I look at it and I say, oh, when I'm going, it's okay. I say that I'm hurling, I said that it was horrible, I didn't see it, that it was a honte universe. And I look at it and I look at it to make our conneries. And you said that everything went well. Yes, I said that it was going well. And in real, I like the people who are not perfect. I like the people who are not beautiful at the screen. I like that, so I thought why I don't accept it. Yes, but you're beautiful at the screen. Oh, it depends on the stuff. In all of this, in the film, in the film, I saw a lot of times.

18:07I was watching a lot of times. I was watching a lot of times. and I said, there's no way I was there. It's not possible. And you, for example, do you think that with experience, you're going to say, do you want to watch the combo? Because it's a thing that I'm terrified. And I'm saying, it's horrible because it's not to have too much conscience. I've already watched it on some things. And it's not a lot. It's not a lot of placement. I think I play a thing. I'm saying, but you're at the right. I'm saying, I'm doing mechanically. But I'm not. But I'm not. And I'm saying, okay. It's not a lot. It's not a lot.

18:39in a combo of me saying I thought I was hyper nervous I look at the combo and I'm like it's a little mous I can do more so I'm going to have things in a combo but I don't look at it but in any case I was thinking what do I do I don't know when I see is that I take the voice where I control everything and I become the light is that I can change is that it's possible is that I can or is that I take the party I leave the affair I don't control everything and I'm part I don't control everything because of any I don't have the I don't have the I don't have the I don't have the Sometimes I ask if I'm filming like that or like that to know how I play.

19:14But so, I took the part of to let go. And not to be in control. Because otherwise I was thinking that I would end up playing hyper manier. Hyper bizarre. And so I was thinking, it's going to be in the situation. I just think of what's going on. What's going on, what's going on. And so. And is it the exercise of the promo, you're in the middle of it, and the shooting and the stuff, you find it complicated or you're doing it? How many? Not too much. There are always my fingers which are... which are... It's crazy. It's a thing that you don't know directly. And I'm like, I can't. It's not a smile.

19:51It's a crispation. I can't. So it's a bit hard. But I've progressed. Because as I've done several, I can't be a little bit... At the moment, I can't be always fixed. So, sometimes when I'm stressed, at the moment, for me, it plafond. And then it redescend a little. So, like. So, I don't like shooting. And then, I haven't seen it. I was not looking at it. Because I was thinking that the bastard is the radio, because it's a lot film now. And then you come to the radio, so you come to the Arache. And then you say, yeah. In the meantime, it's the same. It's always contradictor, because when I see the others, I love to see the others at Arache.

20:21Yes, I know. It's for that. It's a problem with us. I'm all. I'm all. All, I'm all. When I see the people at Arache with their microphone, their heads in battle, they're in a big pull, and they talk. I love it. And is it that you've been complimenting a lot? Is it that you've commented on your own? Did you compliment your little physique? I don't remember. But I was, and I think she was also quite a bit of a dress. I had a lot of clothes. Sometimes when I look at the photos, I wonder how she was doing it? She had three children. I had a barrette. I had a square a little bit of a barrette. I had a robe.

20:56I had a shoes. I had shoes. I don't know how to call it. I had three children. I had a barrette. Yeah. I was very happy. And I loved the clothes. And when I was little, I loved the clothes. Even the clothes of my clothes. I always loved the clothes. I loved the clothes. In the street, I look like the clothes. I go in a shop. I have my eyes. Ah, yeah? Yeah. I look like the clothes. I look like the clothes. What's there in this moment? I love it. And you take, like, for a festival, you're all all at the Alpes-Duez and all. So you choose all alone or you're all doing it? No, I choose all alone. Sometimes I don't choose well.

21:34because when I'm dressed for myself, I'm going to get out of it. But as soon as it's for me to represent in a festival or something like that... I know, but why? I'm going to meet you and I'm going to say why I chose a blonde? All of a sudden, it's not the same. But it's what the problem? It's not the same. Is that it also? I have the impression that in the life of every day, I would choose. And that's like if I would make an effort supplementary which would make me feel like I'm going to be myself. But I'm going to say, this thing is even more grave. It goes to the essay and the casting. Or, sometimes I have the impression that at the moment where I was asked why we were there, I put it wrong.

22:15Yes, it makes bug. I think it's very complicated to just be yourself. Yes, the habits in the festivals, I think it's pretty hard. I think it's pretty hard and you don't know if you're going to be a little cold, a little cold. you're doing things, sometimes you're doing something, it's super beautiful, and you're doing it and you're saying, but I'm feeling hot in fact, and so on voit that I'm not good, because I have a rollout jusque-là, plus I'm wearing a mask on top, and I'm thinking, yeah, I'm well-habillée, but it's completely hors-propos. It's like I'm going to retire everything, I'm going to transpire, or the contrary, I see a lot of things where there are things like that, and you see that it's a caillant.

22:52You're going to take it on her, and you're saying, I'm going to have to do it well, I'm going to go to the cold. I'm going to go to the cold. I'm going to put a very good vest. I'm going to go to the cold. But you feel good? Yes, I feel good. If you take photos, I'm like, oh, shit. But I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to do the rest. I'm not going to do the rest. I'm going to go very well. I'm not going to do the cold. And you know, you're growing, right? Yes. I don't have a problem. I often put my talons in the office. I was in a restaurant. In a restaurant, it was going to put my talons in the back.

23:25That's also, we did. And when I think about it, it's really an ancient time. It's true that it's talons, talons obligatoires. Jupes and really, sourire. I just say, good evening. It's been a big job, the first job alimentary. Yeah, a little chignon, sometimes a little tailleur, talons and then, good evening. And you've learned to work with the talons. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But it's only some shoes. I have shoes like repeto, to talons. It's great. It's great. It's great. And it's compensated on the front. I have shoes that I have. But you... That's not repeto?

24:11No, that's carels. It's carels. I bought... Before I had plenty of shoes, and now I have a few shoes. But that's a talons in the top. That's too comfortable. But that you spend the day with? Yes, I'm going with my shoes for the more comfortable. Yes, but it's a style, I think. Yes, it's a pass. Those who don't see them, they're in Lurex. They're not wearing Nike. Someone gave me a gift from my initials. Oh, it's super. It's super chic. It's chic. But I had a passion for the shoes in Lurex. I have one of my best friends with whom we offer each Christmas. And I played with it in a basket. And I failed to get the basket.

24:52It's not the biggest basket. It's possible. But it's very beautiful. The haut too, it's very beautiful. It's rare that I found two same two. Because it's a problem. I have two different, but I don't know how it was arranged. I had to be repressed. I was a little bit of a habit, it was to work. I was a boulanger, a fromager, a libraire. I imagined, independent, having my own shop and being the patron of my commerce. This feeling of independence, I have finally gained this episode, thanks to my show. But if I could make this other dream of children, I don't know what I would sell, maybe my brand of skincare or makeup, but I would use Shopify, which sponsorizes this episode.

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26:58And all of a sudden I say. It's been a month I haven't done it. I don't have the discipline. I don't have the discipline. I don't have the supplements. Super. I don't have the omega-3. Even a thing for the peau. I don't know what. I don't have the money. I spend super expensive. I don't have the food. I don't have the table. de cuisine en face de moi au petit déjeuner et ils sont là, en face de moi et je ne les prends pas. Alors que quand j 'ai des médicaments, j 'y pense, quand j 'ai vraiment un problème, je dois prendre des antibiotiques, je ne sais pas pourquoi, tous les matins je me dis, ah merde, les antibiotiques, j 'y vais.

27:27Mais quand je vois les compléments alimentaires, je ne les prends pas et puis du coup après je les reprends, mais je les prends deux jours et puis du coup après j 'ai la boîte. Est-ce que tu crois que c 'est parce qu 'au fond de toi, tu as une petite voix qui te dit allez, je sais très bien que ça ne marche pas. Peut -être, moi je n 'ai pas la discipline. I have tons of tons. It's really a passion. I have the impression that it will make me better, my life is better. Everything will be a bit more, the transit will march, the rides will be gone. I have three weeks, three weeks of discipline, they say that before three months, you don't have to...

27:58I haven't done it all. You do sport, you eat well. You don't know what to do, but without knowing you have an impact that's enormous in my life. Arrête. Arrête, I have hyper fear of what you're saying. It doesn't matter about the sport, in all of a sudden. Yes, it's on the sport. Because, thanks to you, you asked a friend to test a pilot reformer there a few years. Yes, there are a few years. And thanks to you, I made a pilot reformer. And I really found my sport with the pilot reformer. I love it. But it's true. But you do it at the time of reformation? Yes. But it's not true. Yes. But you know, I'm not going to do it.

28:32For the people who talk about reformers, you know, It's the chariot, it's the thing who is known. You're becoming hyper-forte. Hyper-forte, I don't know, but it's been my sport. It's because of you. It's a great deal. But who I'd recommend it? A friend who's called Antoine. Antoine how? Antoine Reinhardt. Ah, yes, of course. He's coming with me to Pilates. And I've loved this Pilates. But he's still a lot. He's also a lot. But in fact, it's horrible because I advise things to people. And in fact, I don't like it because the reformer, I'm afraid when they're sitting debout on the chariot. It's really hyper-pear.

29:04Ah, oui. Oui, ils nous mettent des fois debout. Oui, oui. Ça, je ne peux pas. Mais moi, il y a des profs que j 'aime bien. Elles font très doucement et tout. Oui, oui. Et puis moi, parfois, ils me disent, du coup, toi, si tu veux, fais-le au sol. Et ça me rappelle vraiment les cours de sport où on me disait, tu sais, toutes les filles devaient tenir leurs pieds. Moi, elles me disaient, toi, touche tes lacets ou touche tes chevilles ou tes genoux. Toi, tu fais le truc pour la débile et puis les autres, ils vont faire pour l 'effort. Oui, tu fais Tower, alors. Tower, j 'adore. Tu as fait ou pas, Tower ?

29:27Tower, j 'ai fait un peu moins.

29:34I'm going to do a lot of money on the reformer. It's like, I think it's a thing. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard. On the other hand, it's hard. Oh, you found your thing. I found my thing. I do that, but I do that. I would like to do something, of course. I would like to do yoga. I would like to do dance. But I don't do it. And how many times per week? It depends on the period. For example, this week, I'm not all. The next week, I'm going to go one time. Sometimes I'm going to go one time. My problem is that I'm going to do zero. Because it's a problem. I don't know what. and then I try two times and in the big periods where I have really time, where I'm at I'm going to go three times but these periods are great at the Reformation also, people are very beautiful yes, they are very beautiful they have sometimes a short assorti à la brassière assorti à leur chaussette avec les crampons avec les anti-dérapants but it's true that I don't have the look assorti I'm going to go in surveillance, I have the impression d 'être la vieille cousine qui débarque.

30:35Mais comme je ne vais pas dans les cours les plus branchés. Donc du coup, dans mes cours, ça va. Mais c 'est vrai que des fois, il y a des cours où je vois que ça... Surtout les cours en anglais. Les cours en anglais, tu as toute la fashion week avec les mannequins qui sont là à lever leurs jambes. Oui, c 'est ça. Moi, je ne suis pas... C 'est chauffé avant. Non, non, non, il ne faut pas aller là. Moi non plus, je ne vais pas du tout à ce cours-là. Ah, c 'est drôle, je ne savais pas. Je t 'y ai jamais croisé. En même temps, ça signifie aussi that I never would go or not. Because I changed, I was going to be able to get a muscle.

31:03I didn't know that. I discovered that my sport, against all attentes, it's been pushed to the front. You have to do things that you pull out? Yes, on a machine. It's a different machine. But maybe it's a different thing. It's a weird thing. Because I think it's the thing ludic. And the sensation... Yes, maybe. But you have not a prof? You're not a prof? No, I have a prof. Yes, because you're a prof. Yes, yes, yes. An old champion of bodybuilding. Okay. Yes, yes. And then I think you can bless it very easily. And you don't know what to do. And so, she tells you, go ahead. And she says, I'm feeling strong.

31:36It's good. I love it. And in addition, I have to say, there are different profiles. It's not only fashion week. So, it's also a good thing. In a room. In a room, yeah. But really, it's been my favorite thing. But in fact, you said, I'm not going to go for a week. I don't understand your rhythm at the French. I think it's a nightmare. It's great. But you're working non-stop, in fact. In fact, it depends on the period. Du coup, il y a des périodes où on a du temps et des périodes où on n 'a pas de temps. Après, on a toujours le matin parce qu 'on répète les après-midi, on joue les soirs. Mais moi, par exemple, en ce moment, je ne joue pas et je ne répète pas.

32:11Et du coup, je suis censée avoir du temps, mais finalement, non, parce que je fais la tournée de promo, donc je vais dans les villes et tout ça. Du coup, je n 'ai pas fait de sport. Mais tu sais combien de temps avant que tu ne vas pas jouer ? Tu peux organiser ta tranquillité combien de temps ? Souvent, alors là, moi, cette année, c 'est un peu plus chaotique parce qu 'on a du mal à s 'organiser. but often it's... I should know until almost June next. D 'accord. You know, when will you be at the theater? Yes, it's true. And it's not going to be at the theater in the same time? Yes, but it's going to be a bit of a Yes, it's not going to be a bit of a a bit of a bit of a bit of a If it's possible, it's going to be in Paris.

32:48It's going to be in Paris. I have the impression that there is an actor with whom I had worked and who... Yes, but it's not going to be a theater and in the same time, it was a look at... After the advantage, it's that we play in alternance. There are four spectacles that play in a large room, for example. So if we play in one or two spectacles, we're not every evening. So we can play a tournage. But we can play a day and then after a mototaxi and we'll play. And so we're good for the night. We're hot. And in the same time, all your projects, all your series, all your stuff, on YouTube, on all that.

33:23Yeah, it's in plus, at the same time. So in fact, you don't have time. It's a little bit It's a little bit Yeah, it's a little bit But I think I'm a little bit I'm a little bit And when you're in tournée with the Comédie Française In tournée, in representation You impose a discipline of life, or even a hygiene of life, I don't know if you drink or you fume or if you do a job In all case, if I play, I make a job at what I had to eat before I didn't eat a lot of time I eat at 18 hours. Like that when the party begins at 20h30, or at 18h30, I don't just eat at the end. And I know that the days where I play, I don't know if I'm stressed.

34:04I don't know if I'm too late. I don't know if I'm too late. Because if I'm going to go out, I'm not going to eat at the party. So there's a thing with the food. Yeah, it's true. And when I come home, after having played, I eat. Minuit, at the fridge, I'm open the fridge. I'm a dalleus. I'm a drinker. I'm a drinker. I'm a drinker. I'm a drinker. Dormir, ça, je ne contrôle pas trop. J 'ai des galères de sommeil. Je suis un peu insomniaque à des moments. Dès que je travaille trop, je ne dors plus. Dès que je suis sous adrénaline, je ne dors plus. Dès que je suis trop contente, je ne dors plus. Ah ouais, donc tu dors quand, en fait ?

34:35Si tu es déprimée, peut -être ? Non, il y a tout d 'un coup des phases où j 'ai du temps. Et là, je me mets à dormir. Je me couche à 21 heures et je dors beaucoup. Ou je rattrape, je fais des siestes et tout ça. Mais je suis souvent fatiguée. Mais il y a des moments où le sommeil ne vient pas. and I don't come back. And then I do my days. Like if nothing was there. But sometimes I'm sleeping 4 hours. I'm like that. I'm a little... And then after that, it's accumulating. Because more you're... Plus you're a new all day, plus you're nervous. Plus you're a new life. And you're like that. And then it's possible that I don't sleep.

35:05But you have a feeling of having a very nice nature. You're kind of really nice, right? On the sommeil, I'm not a bad. Because I'm doing a lot of enseignments since I'm 14 years old. But you don't even need to be too angry. I'm not a bad thing. But I'm a bad thing. It's a bad thing. I can't be... Or I don't know if there's something where I can't take a conversation. I'm a little like, ah, super. Bon, allez. I'm a little like, nothing. Nothing. But wait, because with all the... I'm not going to... I'm a nerd. I don't find words of trouble or dysfunction. How do you say it? Yeah, trouble. Trouble.

35:43And that's not... It's not funny that you have a text to learn. And it's not a joke. That's also, it's a galer. I call my mother, I pass on the phone to learn everything, I pass on the phone on my texts but I arrive in repeat, I get a because I can't there are people who come in repeat and say I don't know and then in repeat they get a phone and then two days later they get a if I arrive with my texts not on repeat maybe I will know very soon so in general when I arrive I get a and it's happened for example on a sketch I don't know it's just some other people, it's not my group there's sketches and all on me a text on three days ago because it's written very quickly and I arrive and I say I don't know very well my thing I tell you just before the tournée like that it's fine I say yes and they tell me and then at the moment I turn it and then I say I don't know so sometimes I say you don't want to note on a little post-it that you put in a place and then I put a look at a point sometimes I find a combine because when it's a dark and then plus I say that I don't know if I'm already in tournage and I'm going to send it a few days ago well then once in tournage I can't even get it if I don't know I don't know it's blocked When you learn how to tell your mother, she gives you the thing, she gives you the reply.

36:54I ask you to ask two brochures, and we do the text. We do phrase by phrase. We put a phrase, we add one. We add the first one with the second one. We add one. It's very, very long. It's super long. But after, when I know, I know it well. In my head, it's called. And so, you don't have to write it for learning? No, it's hard to write. It's hard to write. It's hard to write. It's hard to write. I don't know. I have to tell someone who tells me, no, it's not that. I have to tell you that we have to tell you but if my mother is not I call my brother if my brother is not I'm in the middle and if I didn't say I was out of hand ah oui the first time I did it there was a sketch and I didn't give my mother the end of the text because the end of the text it was a person who said go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead and I would have to respond and I said I would like to tell you that my mother would have to say that so all the beginning of the text I had to tell you that my mother and at the end I was told I was told to take it and on the show every time that we arrived at the last phrase the last one of the text, I was going to go.

37:50I didn't have any. I said, it's not good at the end. I said, yes, I know. And in fact, I didn't arrive. I said, I didn't have a voice with someone. And you repeat systematically your texts about? Yeah, when I'm. Even at home, you're going to say, about a voice? Not a voice. Before a casting, you say, about a voice? Before a casting, I'm going to recite someone. I'm going to say, you can't do a voice with someone. I'm going to say, but I'm not going to say, it's going to be terrifying. To say, about a voice? From the moment I say, I'm going to say, n 'importe comment. Alors après, c 'est un pari que je fais parce que ça se trouve, il va sortir n 'importe comment deux heures après au casting.

38:20Mais genre, c 'est comme si ça minibait le fait de... Oui, je comprends. C 'est... C 'est comme si... Oui, je ne sais pas. Oui, parce que tu vas t 'entendre le dire. Oui, je... Moi, ce que je fais, c 'est que je ne le fais pas bien. Par exemple, je le donne à quelqu 'un dans un café et je lui le dis vite fait. Je lui le dis pas vraiment le jouant. Je lui le dis un peu en italienne. Des fois, je ne le dis pas très fort. j 'arrive à le dire en chuchotant oui voilà comme ça c 'est dibady et d 'ailleurs je le dis mieux en chuchotant, en me coupant les ongles que quand tout à coup je le dis à un mec et qu 'il me regarde en me disant genre vraiment tu vas le dire comme ça les castings c 'est quand même dur t 'es dans un bureau et quand on dit vas-y vas-y à fond on m 'a dit sors la violence en toi j 'étais tellement crevée mais y 'a qu 'une violence en moi j 'ai tellement envie de dormir je préfère sortir la violence en moi que la séduction en moi Ah oui, c 'est vrai.

39:11Oh, la séduction, je peux crever. Il y a un partenaire qui vient, tu peux le toucher, venir près de lui. Il y a, il y a, il y a, il y a, il y a, il y a, il y a, je ne peux pas le toucher, je ne le connais pas. On fait une scène de cassé dans un bureau, incapable. Ah, c 'est dur, tu me rassures. Il y en a qui, il y a un peu de enveloppe. Moi, je ne peux pas, je fais comme ça. Mais c 'est marrant parce que c 'est un des trucs que je me suis dit en trouvant Marie-Nan super dans le film. Mais après, ça se trouve, c 'est son mec. Non, ce n 'est pas du tout son mec. Non, il y a eu une coordinatrice d 'intimité qui est venue, qui les a fait travailler.

39:42Ils ont eu des coques de sexe. Ah zut, son nom de famille c 'est Frison. Julien Frison. Ah, ils ont eu des coques de sexe ? Oui, pour qu 'elle s 'assoie au-dessus de lui et tout ça. Et il y avait une coordinatrice qui est venue, qui a tout vu avec eux et tout. Mais même la pelle, le roulage de pelle, je me dis, les gens ils sont... T 'as roulé beaucoup de pelle, toi ? Pas beaucoup, non. I don't know how to live in the life. Not too much. I haven't had a thousand peels. A little but not so much. It's a little bit. I don't know. Franchement. I'm really very intimidated by all this. Very intimidated by the sense of.

40:27Charmaine. S 'il faut être désirable, I don't even know what that means. No, I don't know. I don't know what to do. I prefer to go into a little bit... or a little bit or a little bit but I don't know how to do it. I have to tell you more things, but off. It's a good thing to finish this episode. Because you have still a lot of promo and the film is super and I would like to talk more times about all of you and all of you... I will finish by very superficial. Do you have a routine skincare? In the meantime, you said you didn't have a discipline on the masculine. I have no routine. I have a cream.

41:05I have several things at home, but I have no routine. It's a little bit on the arach. I can put it on the side of the cream. I can put it on the cream three times a day. I can put it on the side of my bed. I like it. But often I have no skin. I will take the oil of cocoa. Or I will take the liminant. The thing for the face of the baby. Yes, I think it's super. Yeah, I'm not even a mask when I'm not... Yeah, it's that. So often, it's a thing that I've got... It's been four months that I've got no cotton. At the moment, I had cotton or an espèce of pad, you say, the pad, the cotton that we wash there.

41:42And then, I don't know where it is. So I have a toilet. Really, it's always a... I always go to my room and I say, oh, I don't have a... It's not a... It's not a very organized. You put it in the odorant? Yeah, but I don't know that the odorant B and that from the brand... Bonne for the health. Yes, I don't support the odorant that you smell all the day. I prefer to feel a little bit of the transpy than the Narta. Pardon, I don't have a brand. On a understood that the thing is going to smell. Yeah, that the group shit that you smell very hard where you smell the fruit of the passion is under the arms for all the day.

42:18Or the vanilla. And I don't understand the odorant homme that they call Men. They smell very hard. They smell very hard. They smell very, very hard. And then you have the impression I think it's the same smell for the assholes, for the hair gel, for everything. Yes, it's not very nice to be perfumed sous the arms. I don't understand this odorant for men. But no, and at the same time, it would be really a smell of a smell of a smell. Yes, a smell of a smell of a little bit. And I put a lot of makeup. I try to find things not too traffic, the things the most impossible possible. You yukaise a lot?

42:58Yes, I do a little yuka. And then, if you ever have just the oil, the oil of rice. The oil of rice, it's very great. The oil of carot. I love the oil. I love it in the stores. In the stores, there's an oil of avocado, oil of abricots. You would have been absolutely great in Venus Beauté. I would have dreamed of doing that. Yes, I would have dreamed of doing my favorite. I would have to do it. I have a flash without you playing in something like that. It's not complicated to have a flash with what you said. But I have plenty of flashs. After what they're doing, but when I'm... Yeah. I'd like to play a thing.

43:33I'd like to play a little bit. Yeah, it would be great. It would be great. It's really nice. It's a doucement. And even when you say it's beautiful, it's so much... It's so beautiful, it's so much... It's true, it's so much... And even when you've shown the little gestures... Yeah, yeah. There were little things also, pincements. But it's great. It's a great thing. You told me that you had your diploma. Yeah. So it means that the day you decide, you say, I have a job of this job, I will open my institute. It would be maybe that I would do a little bit of a level. Yeah. But you're not obligated to do all the epilations and all the stuff.

44:04You can choose your... I don't think I would be at the body minute. No. I'm not sure you create your Venus beauty. Voilà. Ah, I'll be able to be, I would say, stagiaire, but just if not, collaboratrice. You'll be there too. I'll be able to get all my appareils. Oh, you have a lot of appareils. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really, it's my passion. And then when you have the opportunity to really spend a lot of money for a thing that's a priori doesn't work, you can count on me. But then you use it or just you buy it? No, I use it. No, I use it. The thing that I really hate. But that, by the way, it's not good because I really hate it.

44:38I said I hate it. But in my consumption of things like that, it's when sometimes I receive a colis and I don't even know what I'm going to do. Ah, yes, yes. And then I say, it's not good. What's that I have there? And that, I think it's really... and I decided to put a point of honor to stop. My consumption, it's my purchase compulsory on my phone. I've been going to pass 22 hours. Ah, yes. You see? I don't know. I think I know these things. And you've got a lot of money. I've got everything. The pile of Jade? The pierre of Jade? Yes, it's that. Yes, yes, yes. The pile of Guacha. I've got the machine of radio frequency.

45:11The mask LED. The mask LED that you talk about. I think that's a beautiful spot. After the problem, it's that now I've got the price. Ah. Because if it's for the price, which is like a dindon. You know, it doesn't work. So I took it. I had a bought a device called the Zipalo because I told you that it was the preparation of Margot Robbie in Barbie. Margot Robbie, it was all over. Well, it was like if I could have a girl after having used the thing. It was a muscu too, Margot Robbie. You saw her I saw her on Instagram and I told you Margot Robbie, in plus, she does that. But when is she has the time?

45:42It's the sea or the mountain. Yes, I don't know. And in plus, she comes to bed. She comes to bed, no? Ah, it's not a little moment yes but anyway yes but again for doing this demo on your own yes it's true I'm even two years after I said I'm gonna have to go yes it's true yes it's true I'm also doing the cor but it's a lot of time it's true Margot Robbie on Instagram she is she is she's a dream she's a dream yes thank you thank you Pauline Clément you sent me thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you you to be here to go see the Comedie Francaise the 22nd of July yes Bisous. Merci. Anti -âge, maquillage, lifting, slut-shaming, botox, end-tox, ella morflé, contouring, glaskin, masque, peau flasque, relâchement, cheveux blancs, acné, zone T, brillance.

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En ne se sentant entrer dans aucune case, Pauline Clément les a toutes explosées. Certains la connaissent par La Comédie Française, d’autres par des sketchs sur Youtube, dernièrement elle nous a aussi fait rire lors de la cérémonie des César… Elle pourrait à la fois jouer une princesse comme dans les contes pour enfants (elle ressemble à ce que j’imaginais de la princesse aux petits pois quand j’étais petite), qu’un personnage de comédie à l’américaine…

Ensemble, on a discuté de son parcours, de ses troubles dys, de son métier de comédienne après un passage en CAP esthétique… 

C’était doux et j'espère que ça vous plaira ! 


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En apparence c’est une conversation joyeuse et spontanée, dans laquelle on fait connaissance avec des personnalités par le biais de leurs complexes, de leur zone T, de leurs routines beauté, de leur rapport à elles-mêmes, de leur enfance, de leurs poils ou encore du temps qui passe…

À écouter tous les jeudis sur votre plateforme de podcasts préférée et à regarder sur ma page Youtube


Crédits:

Un podcast imaginé, produit et animé par Nora Hamzawi

Enregistrement, montage, mixage : Adrien Beccaria - L’Arrière Boutique Studio

Musique : Adrien Beccaria

Identité visuelle : Thibault Milet

Animation générique : Hubert Forgeot

Suivi de production : Chloé Tavitian

Développement : Louie Creative 

Attachée de presse : Anne-Sophie Nguyen-Phung

Crédits photo Pauline Clément : India Lange

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