[REDIFFUSION] Pénélope Bagieu, aussi libre que ses personnages

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0:46Bonjour, c 'est Nora Hamzaoui et vous écoutez En Apparence. Merci beaucoup de m 'écouter. D 'ailleurs, c 'est je ne sais pas le combien de temps d 'épisode parce que je ne les enregistre pas forcément dans l 'ordre, mais merci. Today, as a guest, I receive a woman that I admire since the time of MySpace. I didn't live at all the stand-up. I worked at the Galerie Lafayette the day. And the evening, I played with 11 people on the show called Harmony Hormonal. I said that I worked at the Galerie Lafayette, but in real, I discovered what was the wrong of my mind in saying why I don't get it? All in passing my days, I was flanqued behind my computer to read The Life Fascinant of Penelope.

1:16Years later, I became a woman. And if I had already the instinct that we shared with the passions common for women, the intimate or even the chats, I discovered that it was possible to have des conversations hilarantes sur le derme et l 'épiderme. À chaque fois que je la vois aujourd 'hui, je me dis que c 'est trop court, qu 'on n 'a pas eu le temps de parler de tout. Donc, j 'espère qu 'on arrivera à être concise aujourd 'hui. Pénélope Bagieu, merci mille fois d 'être là et surtout, coucou ! Merci, j 'adore, super, merci. Tout va bien ? Oui, tout va très bien. Je suis trop contente de t 'avoir, j 'ai mille choses à te dire.

1:45En fait, c 'est terrible parce que je pense que je devrais enregistrer ce podcast déjà à partir du moment où la personne entre dans le studio, vu que j 'ai l 'impression que ça y est, on a parlé de tout, vu que tu es arrivée sous la pluie, que tu avais you had good shoes, but now you have to have a flu. I have a flu. But yes, it was a good thing. I was going to say, they were super. When I was here, I had slept with a natt. Ah, you're doing this thing? Yeah. It works from the 3rd. It works always. Ah, yeah? You have changed your hair between the 3rd and now or not? No, I don't think so. And is it you have changed your hair between the 3rd?

2:11I don't think so. Because I saw a photo of you, you had already a little hair. You didn't have a transition hair. What's that you called a transition hair? For example, I was a child with a very very very raided. And at the adolescence, I really discovered the thing where if it pleases, it's the end of your life. And where I'm lissing like a post spice offer. And now I'm a little... When you say you have your hair lisses, I say they're pretty soft. Because they're lisses if you look like that. But at the air. Yes, I'm too much. In a humid, I'm a champignons. I was very little. After, it's hard to say because I've done so much damage.

2:47I was so thin. A partir of my 14, 13, I started to get to the teint. Mais genre avec des produits agressifs ? Avec du Movida à cajou dans la salle de bain, bien sûr. Au fin des années 90. Là où j 'étais moins plus au aîné. J 'ai fait ça aussi, oui. Oui, oui. J 'ai fait aussi avec les mains qui puent les épinards pendant une semaine. Mais oui, j 'ai commencé à leur faire beaucoup de mal. Après, je les ai un peu décolorées pour pouvoir faire des roues plus vifs. Donc là, je les ai flinguées complètement, je pense. Et j 'ai arrêté de les teindre au confinement. OK. Tu sais, j 'étais rousse pendant dix ans.

3:17but I've seen a lot of videos of you before and I said it's crazy it's going to pass by all the roux it was quite coherent it was a roux of coiffeur it was a very affirmation it was a roux more doux and in fact it's brune well you're a chate but in the confinement because it was a roux that I was doing at the coiffeur really religiously I can just tell you we're never going to get so easily in the subject of this podcast Yes, it's true. And in fact, during the confinement, by all the things super who were really like that, there was the fact that I had the roots of the pire in pire. But I was thinking, but it's all about the same thing.

3:58I had my roots, I had my roots. I didn't have a black hair, but I had my natural color who came. And face to the root, you see it's not bad. When I'm going to go there, I'll go to the coiffeur one time for all and I'll make 8 centimeters of roots. And in fact, I had a TV during the confinement. I didn't have a lot of balls. Genre une télé par Zoom ou une vraie télé ? Non, je suis allée faire la dictée de pivot avec Edouard Baer. Et un des premiers trucs que je me suis dit, c 'est ça sera filmé du dessus ? Et je m 'étais dit, est-ce que je mets une casquette ? Est-ce que je mets un bonnet ? Et évidemment, les meubles de l 'initiative, je me suis dit, ne vous inquiétez pas, ça ne se verra pas du tout.

4:32Et ça ne s 'est pas vu ? Ça se voit à fond, en fait. Moi, je ne voyais que ça. Mais bon, ce n 'est pas ça qui m 'a fait prendre ma décision. Mais je me suis dit, putain, c 'est vrai que c 'est quand même de l 'entretien, une teinture, c 'est chiant. Et en sortant de là, quand je suis retournée chez le coiffeur, chez ma coiffeuse, chez qui je vis depuis toujours, elle m 'a dit, on fait comme d 'habitude et j 'ai dit, je crois que je veux arrêter le roux et que je ne veux plus me teindre les cheveux. Je veux avoir ma couleur naturelle et puis je veux pouvoir ne pas aller chez le coiffeur pendant six mois, en fait.

4:56C 'est quand même trop bien. À partir de quel âge tu as voulu être rousse et pourquoi tu as voulu être rousse ? Entre j 'ai à 15 ans. Entre j 'ai à 15 ans, Jerry, in what I'm concerned. My space girl favorite. For me, it's always been the most beautiful. In fact, I always liked the Rouse in the groups. You know, in the animated series, where you had a band of girls, I thought that Rouse was the most cool. Ginger Spice was the most beautiful. But it's really Angela, 15 years old. The Carrero came from there. It's been a lot of pain. It's been a lot of pain. And it was toxic, Jared, at the time?

5:30Well, not Jared, Jordan Catalano. Because Jared is... Well, when I was going to go, I don't know, maybe, but not, but not. Yes, yes, yes. She believes he speaks to her in a song. And you don't know what? He has a song called Red. It's horrible. I don't know what I remember. And she is like, Red, it's me. And so, she thinks that he says something. And later, at a moment, she creates an abscet with him. And it's not at all that. It's his bagnole. In fact, he has really nothing to do with her. But you're a little teubé, even, right? Well, he's a little teubé, but he's so beautiful. So beautiful. That's why he's not saying.

6:01Bref, voilà, c 'est pour ça que le roux Et après je me suis dit, allez vas-y, arrête les trucs qui demandent de l 'entretien, parce que c 'est chiant et que j 'ai pas le temps, et petit à petit je suis sortie du roux et puis tu sais, le roux c 'est la couleur la plus dure à enlever Ah bon ? Parce que ça devient carotte jaune, le rouge part pas, et donc j 'ai eu des phases de transition bien moches où j 'étais blond vénitien, naninana Ça devait être pas mal, non ? En fait, ça me va pas, les trucs clairs Et maintenant, ça fait depuis 5 ans that I have no need to go to the coiffeur. And then you said that you didn't have a white hair.

6:33I don't know why I have a white hair. I'm a very proud of that. Now, I'm not happy with that. But I'm not happy with that. I have a lot of hair on Instagram who have a great hair. They're super stylized. They're always very maquilladas, very saped. Yes, they have a long hair. And their hair are so yellow and not at all. But I'm saying, I see the kind of women that I have with the hair gris. And I'm saying, a priori, it never will happen. My mother, she has 70 years and I think she has 10 hair. We don't have a hair in the family. like that. I'm a lot of green. They're not green, not green. They're all green.

7:02But she really, I'm saying, she's a little green. But now she's a teint and I look at it and I see that she's a on the way. But she's a little bit. She's always chatted. She's a 70 pounds. Oh no, I don't have a chance because I see very well this thing, what you're saying of this woman with a gray, a beautiful, a little sophisticated, but I don't know what. But for me, it's not going to change the fact that I'm going to be in a survet. And that... It's true that I'm going to say, but in fact, you'd be always the same. with your jeans and your shirt. And then you would have your hair probably in shape of a trapace because they would be very secs and they would have no shape.

7:34And I would have never been this woman super class. I don't know if you had already tried to make the match of Rachel Green. And you were there. In fact, I was looking at a champignon. I wasn't looking at Jennifer Niston. I made the hair very short. Garçon. Ah, it's true? Yeah, but it was a mistake. It was a mistake. Ah, you were looking at Anna Taoué, non ? When she had the hair short. I was looking at her hair. I was looking at her hair. I was looking at her hair. I was looking at her hair. I was looking at her hair. Well, wait, we have something in common also. And I would also like to talk about...

7:58Because here I told you, I don't know why we're not making a podcast, so I'm not making a podcast. You're a little bit making. I had an recording this morning at 9h. And I had a crève. I couldn't go and go without a makeup. I'm sorry. Because you told me, I was like, I'm like, at every time that we're doing a good thing, it's a common thing that we don't know. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, And then you said what? You said you looked like a man on your feet on your feet on your feet.

8:25So at every time, it's not a form. Yeah, they're not a form. And then after, I'd love to look at a very beautiful woman. But I really like, when I say my girl, I like to look at a version... I would be like my uncle. Yeah. I don't know your uncle, but... No, I don't think about him in particular. I hope we can continue to talk well with that on the face. Just before, I asked if you knew these masks. But visible, I was a little vexée, because I thought we had the same kind of algos. I did a lot of that. So I'm almost like your girlfriend guilty of skin care. In fact, you're much less obsessed with skin care.

9:03Yes, but I'm well every time I see you, because I'm learning a lot of things. Yes, but you're not all that. So, on Insta, I'm on these women who are often mannequins, who have 20 years, who have no need to mask. And I'm thinking, how your skin is incredible. and who don't work and who travel not generally and who travel in business and who just before they sleep, they put a mask in the avion and when they wake up, the mask has disappeared. It's not that there's no one, the mask has disappeared. And so I would propose to make it because I think that the time of a podcast, a priori, it starts to disappear at the end of 20-40 minutes.

9:33So at the end of this podcast, logically, we'll have a lot of pain. Are you already done it once, you? Yes. And you don't have any irritation? No. I have a very... Marquant. Merci. Elle vous marque, on ne l 'oublie pas, une peau qu 'on n 'oublie pas. Réactive. Je vais regarder les ingrédients, même si c 'est que des mots en latin et que je ne vais rien comprendre. Non, on ne peut pas. Détail de vieille personne, je n 'arrive pas à lire les ingrédients. Oui, mais parce que tu n 'es pas myope ? Non, je suis presbyte, comme les vieux. Oui. Water, collagène extract, ok. Galactamia glissale, ça y est, je comprends.

10:07Tu as peur de faire un œdème pendant le... Je ne sais pas. Écoute, vivons dangereusement, allez, vas-y, go. We'll apply this mask and continue the interview. Do you think it will dry like the argile and we'll be talking? It's like a bell-fegor. I hope it's not like that. It's really a very bad idea. You asked me to bring a trousse with the makeup. I brought it. Yes, because it's... But in the meantime, I'm asking a lot of things. You've never done these masks? But you're doing these masks? Franchement, no, not too. If I make a mask of a thing, I have a mask. I have a mask on miel. I'm going to get rid of it.

10:51You have a mask on not sponsorized. You have a mask called Oden. It's not a plant. It's natural and everything. I've got it. But I've got it. I'm going to put it on my mask. I don't want to put it on my mask.

11:11I don't understand. like milk, and you let it be and then you let it be with a little shower. And like I have the skin super sèche, it's a grapher. It's a good thing. Yeah, I don't know if it works, but it's a good conscience. It's because I say this evening, it's a night where I'm going to take care of and I'm not sure that I have nothing in my bed for doing cool things. So I'm doing this. It's not a house. Normalement, I don't understand. I don't understand. It's like the inside of a cocoa. The part of the cartilage I think it's a little bit. Ah, yeah? Normalement, people cite plutôt the film of Almodovar, La Fielle.

11:46La Fielle, qui habitait aussi. Ah, non. Mais là, c 'est pas possible. Ça va pas du tout. C 'est pas du tout. C 'était pas du tout mon projet. Là, c 'est évident que ça va très bien. Ah, ça me saoule. C 'était super comme idée. Attends, attends. Ouh. Ah, toi, il est encore bien. Ah, mais c 'est en plusieurs morceaux. Mais en fait, normalement, t 'as le haut. Putain, c 'est dégueulasse. Ah, Ah, it's the bar. It's the bar. It's the bar. You put the bar. It's the bar. I don't know. It's the thing that I'm feeling. It's the thing that I'm feeling. Ah, really? My cocoa. No, it's the cocoa. Okay. Ah, the chance of the well.

12:22It's not possible. And so you say that he's going to disintegrate? He's going to the end. You see, there he's black. And at the end, he's going to be transparent. He's going to be fusion with your mouth. Is that if I'm going to leave you? Yeah. Because I'm feeling very depressed, you know, by the way. Ah, yeah? Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, but you'll have a super one after. Bon. It's already a chance to be able to have it all. It's super. Wait, you don't have a little bit of a piece of pieces that you can't hold? Maybe a little, but it doesn't have a sense. Like this? Yes, you can hold it with a little piece of pieces.

12:57Wait, I already have something on the front or not? Oui. And where it's missing? On the neck, on the nose. On the nose, I don't have a lot of eyes. I think it works maybe sous the eyes. on dirait que tu te colles des escalopes non on dirait des toastinettes tu vois ce que c 'est ou pas ? tu sais les petits fromages carrés quand tu fais des cheeseburgers maison ah ça m 'appelle toastinettes ? c 'est comme ça que moi qui appelle ça moi j 'ai toujours appelé ça du fromage à burger c 'est blanc, carré, dégueulasse séparé par des emballages individuels ou que tu t 'es collé du gras de jambon sur le visage je viens de m 'essuyer les mains sur mon jean montre, alors toi, c 'est parfait Ah oui, non, et moi, c 'est incohérent au total.

13:36Je veux te voir au cas où ? OK. Comme ça, tu vas voir ce qui va se passer tout à l 'heure. D 'accord. Je continue l 'interview. On n 'abandonne pas l 'idée que si à un moment, j 'en ai marre, j 'enlève. Promis, on n 'abandonne pas l 'idée. Mais gardons-le le plus possible. Et si tu veux une clémentine, tu te sers. Regarde-moi. Oh non ! Oh non, non, non, non ! Bah ouais, c 'est... Oh putain. Bon, vas-y. Bon. Attends, tu sais, c 'est pas facile de... Là, je l 'ai encore. it's my friend. Listen, Penelope, I continue because I have to... I'm going to tell you that I didn't know why I was looking at my portable like if I was in the way I was going to pass an oral.

14:11I told you that I had read The Nuit Retrouver. Ah, yes, you told me. That I loved. I loved it. But, I have to tell you something that is very important that everyone has to tell you. So, I'm absolutely not original there-dessus. I'm going to tell you particularly for one thing, the representation of the heroine and of the women in general, but especially of the two women, la surfeuse et l 'héroïne et où je me disais mais comment elle arrive à dessiner des femmes aussi normales je veux dire ça m 'a fait presque poser la question de tout ce que j 'allais dire la France les gens les métiers artistiques le cinéma qualifient de la girl next door qui n 'est jamais la girl next door je prends un exemple la Virginie Effira que je trouve sublime mais qui pour moi n 'est pas la girl next door elle est estampillée girl next door ?

14:55parfois dis donc où habitez-vous ? c 'est ça la porte à côté de chez vous où habitez-vous ? who is for me the woman to which you want to identify, to what you want, but who is not... And there, I had the impression that you dress the portrait of an heroine who could be really my wife, my wife, my wife. I found it great. And I wanted to thank you for this age of body. I found it so nice that you made it. I asked, are you looking beautiful? How do you create your characters? How do you design? What do you decide? Is there something that I imagine that's not anodin for you? Is it when you started, the characters were a lot more poupé, with the big eyes, the little nose, the big mouth.

15:43How do you decide to make these characters? How do you choose them? How do you choose them? How do you decide physically? It's a lot of fun, and I can't smile a lot. I'm saying she's cold. She's not at all. She's a cold. But when I smile, the thing is falling. I'm sorry with the eyes. Merci beaucoup, c 'est trop gentil ça me fait trop plaisir qu 'on soit attentif à ça parce que, évidemment, ça me tient beaucoup à cœur en fait, je ne les dessine pas de l 'extérieur, je ne les dessine pas en me disant, je vais lui faire des yeux comme ça, un nez comme ça, etc tu arrives à m 'écouter crédiblement avec des trucs tendus sur l 'usage en plus, plus tu parles sérieusement, plus c 'est hilarant mais j 'ai vraiment besoin que tu me parles de ça et surtout que j 'ai envie de te dire que ta peau, elle en a besoin elle le réclame parce que ça commence presque déjà à fusionner un peu sur le front You have to put the skin on the side.

16:33Yes, it's the promo. I don't know what it is. But it's because it's a pandemic. It's because it's a movement. I'm going to draw it by the scene. I'm going to draw it at the beginning of the story. And so I'm going to make it right now. I'm going to draw it right now. It's too hard. It's too hard, I'm going to say. In fact, you know, I'm going to say shit. But when you talk seriously, I'm not. Or it's going to be a mess. Because there are people who listen to us. They don't know that I'm ridiculous. And they don't know why I'm mad. like a big case. In other words, I really want to keep you in the guard.

17:03I want to close my eyes. It doesn't matter. And in fact, I have these signs that they live. They move, they take things, they open doors, they put a mèche. And it's that that will determine how they're holding. And by extension, how they look. Après, I wanted to be a woman who was crédible because I wanted to have an empathy for her. And so, it goes by to serve a real body. and not to try to draw something beautiful but to say in the story, when we come back to the past she has 30 and some she has three children, she is tired she has things to wear on the floor all the day, she is food she puts the hands on the floor when she is cambring, when she is debout because she has a bad at the door and she has a great job I think she has a little bit side side, all the times where she is troubled by the surfers, I think it's great.

18:00But even the surfers, I'm asked the question, in fact, it's one of the things that I have most marked because I have seen it in my show, you know, this kind of fantasies lesbian, that's all, I don't know, but I don't know, because it's so assumable, and to me ask why we're on is next to this great life, like the hero that we are, I don't know how how to express it, I was thinking that she sees the beauty everywhere. You're not in the stereotype. You don't need anything. So I was thinking, if it's a good thing, she was well educated at this subject. You're well in your peau, you know how to see the beauty.

18:33I was wondering if you had been, for example, complexed in young women. I was thinking, how do you get to see the characters also? Because you have to identify all these characters and project, I imagine, there's a part of you in it and everything. And you're looking for it, and it's amazing that you're able to... I was thinking, you're free of everything. What do you think you're beautiful? Who do you think you're beautiful? Is it complex? Is it the physical has an important importance for you? The second question. You respond to me in the same time. I'll be able to answer. Is it the physical you attach an importance to the physical?

19:05Is it something important in your life? The mine? Oui. Moins, when I'm in the same way. I think we have already talked about the fact that we have to get out from the radar of what is looked at. You know, it's a liberation, to not be too mad at all. I think it's a great liberation to say that it's not very important. But do you think you're not mad at it or do you think you're not mad at it? And you're not mad at it if you're not mad at it? I think it's the two. It's that, when you're not mad at it, and at the same time, really nothing to do with it. For example, you know, I was thinking about it.

19:47This morning, I had an interview who was filming, and one of the questions that we were asked, the subject was absurd. Why have you chosen to be dressed like that today? It was not a question in my face, it was a question that they were posed. I said, I don't know, I was dressed in the dark, I was thinking, at an age, I would have said, to make an effort, things that are flat. And in fact, in all honesty, it doesn't matter at all. There is nothing to do with it. I think that, global, you liberate, on parle d 'un regard masculin tu t 'en libères vraiment en vieillissant je me sable beaucoup plus quand je vais voir des copines ouais, j 'allais te dire moi je te vois comme une de mes amies je sais pas si c 'est le mot coquette ou pas mais en tout cas par exemple ce qui je trouve très aussi riche d 'en quitter c 'est cette façon d 'être totalement libre de ça et pas du tout dépendante de tous ces codes, de pouvoir dessiner des personnages féminins aussi libres et qui répondent à aucun stéréotype et tout, et à la fois je trouve que t 'as un corps, je sais pas si je peux dire ça extremely feminine, like in the dessin that we imagine, that you love, you have a very feminine attributes like your shoulders, your shoes, your face, your face.

20:56My face is a very feminine. And you have a very... Yes, very feminine. There are things where you don't put it in the morning. It's not a thing where you're going to get it. But for example, for shoes, It's a detail. At the time I had a lot of shoes, I didn't have any. I have a pair of shoes that have a tall like this. And when I put it, it's like, oh, girls night out. And I have really nothing to do with it. I have a completely different dress. If a dresser me the neck, it's interdit, it's out of the house. If I say, it's beautiful, but I know that I'm not comfortable, because it's not comfortable, it's out of the house.

21:37And I have no remorse. I'm feeling sapée when I put a hole where the material is a little brillant. and I say, it's the fiesta this week and no longer I would say yeah, but this shoot-up, it makes the most big jambes, I don't know, I really don't have nothing to put it and globalement, the fact of attracting the look in a thing of seduction I don't really care about it, I'm sure I'm sure I'm completely and when I say I prefer to be a little bit for a couple I prefer to be able to be able to be oh, but it's so beautiful, this oh, I prefer merci, but great, rather than to say ah, it's a beautiful thing, you know But I'm also in a job where my physique doesn't have an importance.

22:15And I measure, by the way I know in their job, their image is still part of what they sell. I'm not sure that I could say things with this apparent insouciance. But in fact, if no longer no one knows, you have no work. I think that in the job of image, for example, where you have a job of jeunesse and beauty all the time, if you don't exist anymore. Disons que moi je remarque qu 'effectivement A l 'approche de la cinquantaine Et c 'est un des sujets de la BD aussi On disparaît On n 'existe plus dans la fiction, on n 'existe plus nulle part Mais moi ça m 'arrange Parce que dans ma vie c 'est pas très très grave D 'être un peu invisible Mais j 'imagine que dans un métier Comme le tien Ou dans un métier même des journalistes, de la télé Des choses comme ça, c 'est très inquiétant de se dire Si je me maintiens pas dans la course Je vais simplement plus exister, que ce soit vrai ou pas Mais en tout cas d 'avoir cette sensation là I imagine that it's an anguish That's what comes to mind in your personal life There are moments where I say I have to go this morning for a short And have a mini-robed hyper-court Hyper-moulant And it's a kick I think it's like a thing Like a thing completely At the plate If someone said Well, this evening you're going to pay for I'd say What?

23:26But what? But not at all I don't have a problem It's not a turner to the people And it's not Maybe that you can't believe it. You say, yeah, she says that, but really, it's sincere, it's that I'm completely fous. I know that at the end of the end, my friend will say it's new to your robe, and it's all. It's not going to happen. Because in plus, it's not going to be a compliment. It's not going to be a compliment. It's not going to be a compliment. It's to say that, instead of saying you're you're beautiful, he'll say you're beautiful. You know, the thing that you're there. In fact, it was a good fabric.

23:58It was a good, but it's because he had a training. Yeah, he's looking good for me. I told you several times, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I told you, I don't know. I told you, it's not worth it. It's not a obvious. I'm not sure. I'm not sure you're saying that you don't know what you're doing. It's not a obvious. I'm not in your feelings. I can't laugh with my... But in fact, the fact of not wanting to be desired by the other can cause you to be in a desire. I know that it's not a desire. Exactly. At the same time, it becomes another thing. And for example, I also started to have a desire to make me look at my hair and make me look at my hair.

24:33It was super hard to tell you. To me say... But in fact, it's funny. You know, it's funny. It's funny. It's funny to have a face and a hair. I can do something. But it's super joyous, I think. I think it's too weird that it's a moment in my life where I'm not at the search of a validation. And in fact, I'm not afraid. I think that before, I was in a thing where I was afraid that people would say, okay, they're really trying to make it. Yeah, it's true. And then... You're completely wrong. You're a fool. the motives and associations, because it's rather the fringues with which I like to do things marbling more than my face and my shoes.

25:03But I think at a time, I would have said what's super cool I think is to mix up with the violet, and now I'm saying, I do it even for looking for the pain, it doesn't matter. I don't wait for the occasions. Really, it's a pleasure. And I think it's been a lot encouraged by just me, I see on Insta. Ah oui ? You see, you see, you see, you see, you see, you see, with three different paillettes, different, des trucs comme ça. Et ça fait que par mimétisme, je me dis, moi aussi j 'ai envie d 'essayer des trucs. Il n 'y a pas besoin d 'avoir une bonne occasion. Je ne dis pas que c 'est pour rester à la maison.

25:37Et petite, par exemple, ados, tu étais quel genre d 'ado ? Tu étais complexée ? Ou tu étais comme tous les ados ? Comme tous les ados, je me trouvais. J 'étais gothique. C 'est quasiment pour ça que j 'ai commencé à me teindre les cheveux. C 'était pour avoir les cheveux noirs. Ça m 'allait très bien au teint, comme tu imagines, d 'avoir les cheveux noirs. C 'est toujours un régal. I had a little bit of shampoo that you made you do it. You have the ears in plus. And the baby's hair is violet. And the front is black. Because the tinture has been on the floor. But I had to take my hair in black.

26:06That was your first passage of physical affirmation of adolescence? Yes. The first one was to make it up. You made it up. You made it up. In a caravan. In a caravan. In a pistolet. Without disinfectant. In a caravan. Normal. And I was so proud of myself. And in fact, I was done. I was going to get it, I was going to get it. You can't even imagine how I was going to get it. It's not going to get it. It's going to get it. It's going to get it. Oh. Then, the language. Oh, the language. It's going to create affirmations of yourself. Oh, yeah. But, it's not going to create fear of being a bad person.

26:37Yeah. It's going to get it. It's going to get it. And, especially when I think, why? Apart from the side of the way I'm a little bit. Yeah. Well, I think that's also liable. We're completely in the same thing with the masculine regard. Exactly. It's going to be on a other subject. but to say that I'm the kind of girl who's not afraid of to make a percer the tongue. And of course, I don't support when I hear when we talk like that and we laugh and we say that you have a little bit of a thing and you're there. It's not a thing that you can write it like you want. And in adolescence, there was a lot of bad things and bad things.

27:09But in fact, it tells something also, I think, how we decide, how we decide, how we decide, how we decide to decide, how we decide to decide in our lives with our trauma, our things and all, how we become a woman. so but I've never imagined this was an work

27:34it's a muscle it became a muscle it's a there's no now it's a

27:46l Empire is the There's not a thing on the language that is perhaps... It's very irrigated, in fact, because it's a lot of pain. And the days that they follow, they're a little bit of volume because it's an inflammation. So you can't speak... You have a big steak in the mouth for several days. And I was in a cachet. Evidently, my mother was in Corses. And so she was in the name for sending news. And I was in the news. And I was in the news. I had my gross language. I didn't want to get into it. And your mother... I said your mother, but maybe your father too. but I was always in my opinion. Is it important, is it important to comment your physique or is it not to comment your physique?

28:25No, not at all. I'm in a family where we don't comment your physique and the physique is even totally mis in the eighth plan and, in fact, without worrying about being totally superficially. It's a-t-il, my wife, she's got something to do, but it's a fake, because my mother, like a lot of women of her generation, she has a lot of complex and she's looking at the physique of the other women all the time. Ah, yes? Yes, but... Well, it's another thing, but my mother, she was really elevated in the idea that we were the eighties of the world, my sœur and I, so we were perfect. So we didn't have a comment on our physique, on nothing, of course, on a always been extraordinary.

28:59But if you said, ah oui, I'd like to have a makeup or a mask, a mask, my mother was a little like, you're not the best to do. You know, I think, choose your camp. You're a girl intelligent or you're a girl superficially who's interested in her physique. So, So all the information on how to do things that it is to know how to do, like to make sure to make sure, I couldn't have these information at home. It was 100 % the exterior. All the feminine, in general, it was a bad thing to lose time with it. It was better. But at the time, I wanted to say, she would have to put the pain, you had no complexion that was generated by her or not.

29:35But at the time, you were a little horde if you... Exactly. If you were saying, I would like to have a little flower with little flowers and a little bit of the dental and everything. It's not necessary. It's always like that. You say, I don't need it, but I have a desire. And yes, I have a desire. But at the time, I say that, but it's never happened to me comment my fringues in saying, it's a little bit short. It's not a thing of slut-shaming. It's rather, if it's not, it's not a thing. It's a thing that's more important to do in life than to be able to be belle. So, finally, it's relatively simple.

30:04It's not a thing that's not a thing. And for example, the makeup, it was an ados that you were interested in? In fact, you remember, you were wearing a mask. you remember when we were wearing a mask? Yeah, I remember, but it's not when we were wearing a mask, but it's because, for me, personally, I had an acne, and I think, and it's been to tell to all the people who listen to us who have an acne, I'm not sure that it was a good idea to be able to hide it. Oui, the cache-button. Because I remember when I had an enormous croutes at the end, orange, fontain, maquillage, and the evening, you were wearing a mask, and you were like, in fact, we're very much more.

30:32We're very precious, yeah. In fact, I remember, I don't have enough info. There were a few pictures, maquillage, in the magazines, in the Jeune and Jolie, but there was no videos, so you didn't have a little bit. And I, when I started to make a makeup, like I was a girl, it was very close, I put a lot of color on top, in the middle, in the middle, in the middle, mascara in the top and in the bottom, in several layers, very subtle. You know, I was a member of the Club of the Creators of Beauté. Bien sûr. So I didn't put an embellishable because I was sombre, I put the mauve, you know, who makes it pale.

31:05They are out. That's a good idea. You can find it today, if I'm going to find it. And I saw there was Embryolisse in the street who made a pub for like a cream miracle, bonne mine, and I had a feeling with a marker to write, yes, it's the Embellisseur Abricot of the Club of Creators of Beauté, thank you. It's really, they have a formula. And so I put it on that. After there was a period, when I was in second, where they had released, you know, the Rouges to Lèvres Long. It was the beginning of the Rouges to Lèvres Long. Prune and Bordeaux Foncés. Bien sûr. Matte. So I had a big period like that.

31:35And then after, I had a period contour des lèvres marrons, intérieur bois de rose plus clair avec un peu de gloss, très distingué. Ça, il peut m 'arriver de le refaire légèrement parfois. Oui, mais moi, en débordant vraiment, quoi. Genre, n 'hésitez pas à faire des lèvres plus généreuses. J 'ai toujours un peu honte quand je le demande. Tu sais, quand on se fait maquiller pour des trucs et je dis j 'aime bien qu 'on me l 'overline un peu. Et pour peu que ce n 'est pas un mot qu 'elle s 'emploie et qu 'elle me dit, qu 'est-ce que tu veux dire par overliner ? Je dis, bah, que tu mets une plus grosse bouche.

32:01Des bordes, s 'il te plaît. Mais oui, et blush plutôt couleur, des couleurs qui ne vont pas globalement on pourrait dire que le maître mot était tu ne connais pas bien ton visage je faisais surtout des choses qui ne m 'allaient pas du tout étaient soit pas mes couleurs, soit pas mes gestes et donc je mettais du blush un peu orangé excellente idée aujourd 'hui t 'irais plus vers le rose aujourd 'hui, en fait ma chance j 'imagine que toi c 'est pareil, c 'est d 'avoir été maquillée tellement de fois par des maquilleuses pro, qu 'à chaque fois tu grappilles quelques miettes d 'infos alors vous les couleurs qui vous vont je note merci, et c 'est quoi la crème que vous m 'avez mis je la note merci and now I know better because I asked advice.

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34:14Et est-ce que par rapport à tout ce qui est skin care, tout ça, ça t 'intéresse ou t 'en as rien à carrer ? Enfin, sachant que tu me dirais j 'en ai rien à carrer, je ne te croirais pas vu qu 'on en a parlé plusieurs fois. On a parlé pas mal. Mais est-ce que c 'est un truc, est-ce que c 'est genre t 'as un goût pour ça aussi pour toi ou est-ce que c 'est juste une curiosité en disant tiens, qu 'est-ce que la science nous apporte là-dessus et tu vois ? I have the impression of doing well. I'm happy when I'm ready to arrange my placards and that they are well done. It's something satisfying to say, in all of a sudden, I've done all the things that I need to do.

34:45So, the moments of my life, because it's only by periods where I do well, I'm doing well, I'm doing well, first a serum, after a... I have a feeling... You don't do it every day, it's not? No, I don't do it every day. Well, you're a discipline. It's a discipline. Because... you can go and go and do sports every day but not put the serum if I really have a body if I really have a soul in the neck and I'm in a lancée but it will never be a brossage for me it will never be a phase I have three months where I'm not sure because you told me something or someone told me something and I told you that it's super important and then after I do completely the opposite for six months more but I love the idea of doing things I'm saying, in any case, I put all the chances of my side.

35:31Yeah, but it's the rapport that I have with the sport. It's a bit of a, okay, I'm a good idea of life. I'm a good idea of life. I'm happy to do it. It's not that I'm doing anything. I'm doing three months. But if I... Well, I'm doing everything. I'm doing everything. It's that, it's that. But I'm doing well... I'm doing well... You've invested recently, like, in a mask LED or a cream or a cream or a cream. No, no. Recent, I was wearing a mask. And I found that the cream, she had put it on. She said, oh, what's that sound good? What's this product? and she said that it's the Hydra Face of La Roche-Posay.

35:58And I said, okay. So I was going to buy the Hydra Face of La Roche-Posay and it's my cream, so. But yeah, I don't have... You're not in the... And you have a report on the time that passes? In the absolute? Yeah, I mean, because I have the impression that when we talk... I'll remove it. No, we're almost on the front. You're not at all. You're always at the toasting. You're not at all. It's not at all. I find it super. It's true? It's a good idea. Sorry. I'm going to put it on the end. You see, there-haut, it's a little bit more. It's really... How do you feel? It's really a good job. You think?

36:39At least I know it's not that I offer it. But frankly, I'm not... You see something incredible? I'd say it's me who's making these masks. No, I don't want to be a mess, but it's not you who made it. It's true. It's a bad thing. It's true? I don't know. It's true. I know there's a thing where, really, I can't believe it. I prefer today. I like it better. I think my life inside, everything, etc. I don't like things like that that are happening. But so, do you project it in this thing and say, well, it's going to be more and more expensive. Is it a problem? For example, there's a moment where I say, if a day, these glasses, this arcade, they're going to open up my eyes, it's not a doubt that I would like to let it be.

37:21And the people say, well, Charlotte Rampling, then you're there. Oui, mais je ne suis pas Charlotte Rampling. Oui, et puis surtout, c 'est super de comparer à la plus belle femme du monde. Alors ça, effectivement, quand un truc devient un problème. Après, sur le truc du temps qui passe, tu vois, en ce moment, par exemple, comme je suis en promo, je vois tout le temps ma tête. Ah bah oui, je sais. Et je trouve que c 'est des moments qui ne sont pas faciles, parce que tu te vois de très près, tu te vois en train de parler. Donc en plus, quand tu parles, tu fais... Donc t 'es horrible, donc ça fait que tu vois ta gueule.

37:46C 'est dur, c 'est dur. Alors qu 'en temps normal, t 'as un seuil de tolérance de ton propre visage which is normal, which is, I see you in the morning when I'm preparing, when I'm in a window, and then on the photos of my friends, where I'm with my friends and on the way I'm going to go. And so, it's the support of your face. But when you see all the time, all the time, again, I think that in the field where you see all the time, all the time, it's terrible. I don't know, the women who are at all day every day, I'm wondering how they do for not to be a subject of obsession. It's just not to look at it.

38:14Yeah, you're not looking at it. But there, I watched an interview that I made, and I saw that something, it was the skin of my head. I said I knew I was not I knew I was going to I was not aware of my obsession I was I bought a cream neck really and then I said it's normal we start in the house and that we let it's not it's not it's true but I know it's not my fault it's not my fault to see my face to see my face I'm a big plan it's a big plan it's a big plan I said I have that it's a big time it's a big time like a second crisis adolescence When I was an adult, I didn't really see my face. And I was thinking, oh, no, but...

38:51I would say, I would say, I would say, and then, you're right, and you're right, because it's a tendency... I wish to get people out, but it's a tendency to get rid of it. You're a little bit of a face, which makes you more shocked. And when you see photos of you where you were young, you don't understand what you're reproaching. You're saying, I was adorable, in fact. In fact, I was young, I was beautiful. How did it happen to me? I was horrible. I was lost to myself, while I was very cute. And in fact, I think that after, when it 보시면 aAcus Wars you mouth to return a little there where you wake up I couldn't even see that you Barre that you always read that same it.

39:24and you read listening part of the comment or not no I don't think in physical I don't see a offended comment So no Well I don't think I don't think of what she calls the moche yeah it's that with her mouth she would be better but I don't have this level of exposure I don't know I'm not as known for that I'm not a physique I don't know but in fact it's a job that's not a job on the one but I'm not I'm not on the one on the one on the one she's not she's not she's talking she's talking she's she's she's she's she's she's but I don't know I don't know with her or what I see when I look when I look at the videos of women who have my age and which are good in plus, it's that people comment, they say, what a shame of having all done.

40:04Well, I think that, frankly, they don't have anything done at all. But really, the comments for commenting if yes or not, there's a lot of surgery and if yes, what a shame. And I say, oh, but what an enfer. Just the crime of existing, of coming to talk, of showing your face, and on say, eh, well, in general, for saying things that you say, I don't know how to talk about it, like, it's like she's got to do Botox in the lips. Ah, yes. If it's the case, I don't know more about it. Renseignez-vous. but dommage le Botox dans les lèvres et tu sais il y a certaines actrices françaises par exemple ça me fait trop de peine parce qu 'à chaque fois qu 'elles apparaissent les commentaires sont uniquement sur quel dommage elle était si belle quel dommage oui et puis surtout quand bien même elle aurait fait des trucs si elle ne l 'a pas fait pour plaire à son mec elle ne l 'a pas fait pour te plaire à toi non plus donc je dirais elle l 'aurait vraiment fait pour elle et puis interrogez-vous dans ces cas-là sur j 'en sais rien si c 'est le cas si c 'est vraiment une actrice qui le regrette peut -être elle-même de s 'être défiguré, je fais des guillemets avec les doigts, je te dis parce que c 'est un podcast, pour changer de visage, interrogeons-nous sur quelle tristesse qu 'on soit dans une industrie qui fasse que les femmes se sentent obligées de le faire.

41:01Pourquoi est-ce qu 'elles n 'ont pas le droit de vieillir ? Pourquoi c 'est interdit de vieillir, en fait ? Plutôt que de dire quelle conne ? Plutôt que de s 'injecter je sais pas quoi. Tu sais, moi je suis Simone Biles sur Insta parce que je l 'adore. Et parce que je me suis beaucoup inspirée for drawing Jodie in the BD. It's not very long, it can't have been able to follow people who follow her. She didn't have a lot of weight. She had a lot of weight. She didn't have a lot of weight. At a moment, she was all happy. She had a picture. She was in bikini. She had a lot of videos. She made one or two, four posts.

41:34At the moment, she closed the comments. I imagine it's because she had a comment on that. It's not very long, I saw her face a post. She said, I'll respond to your questions. What did I do? Yes, I made an increase. I also made an increase. I made an increase. It's because it's been a complex. And so there are plenty of people who say if it's for you to feel better, then good for you, man who's going to be able to do that. At the end of the day, she's obligated to say yes, I'm going to be able to do that. Is this what we can do to other things? It's crazy. It's really what she does. Why she's obligated to justify it and explain it?

42:06You know, it's because it's because it's complex. But what an enfer to be able to do it, to explain it to people. But is it you've seen this post also of Amy Schumer? No. Amy Schumer, she posted a photo of her where she is pretty spectacular. She has no body anymore. She is more mince than the photos where she has the habit of showing her. The body is a photo that has a look at an event. She is very beautiful. And she says, for a reason that I ignore, I have suppressed all my posts before. So there is no photo. Now, there are others. But in general, there is no photo of her. And the violence of the thing, it's that the press trash a little American she had created a a story like she denigred her body she had to suppress all the photos of her body to show her new head so it was not at all her intention and she had to justify it she said she was always someone who assumed her appearance, her body was her body she was just that I had to suppress her and I was thinking it's violent, it's not that you have the right to nothing you have no right to find good you have no right to find And then, you have to stay at your place.

43:13And that's a very complicated thing. One of the facets of the patriarchy. Yeah. It's not to forget that at the base, you never forget that the essential thing is that you're there for it. And that you imagine that there's nothing else for you than the search of the visual approach of your appearance. And if you don't want to search, it means that you're a poor guy and you don't have a problem. And if you look at it, it's a poor guy who seeks the probation. and then it's it's a good look and you see it's a subject that we wanted to talk about in the BD with Lola it's that this surfers who is super badass super strong who is the champion of the world in fact she has a good to have a sponsor which is the case in the surf pro because we prefer to give a sponsor to those who are less good technologically but who are more beautiful who correspond more to the criteria who are blonde who are a little sexy and who do a competition because you have a very good surfers who do not have a sponsor they do not have a to live.

44:09And you know, you had that also, I don't know if you remember, in the beach volleyball, where the girls are going to play for the right to play in shorts. And they say, well, no, we're not going to watch shorts, we're going to watch the Q. So if you're a mignone, you're going to do sports in string, rather. And you have so many uniforms where it's completely débile, the uniforms where it's just a way to tell you, ah, but we're going to get out of your sport. We're going to get out of your sport. So it doesn't interest you. Or, remember, Serena Williams, who said, who wanted to put a cyclist, and Roland Garros avait pété leur crâne en disant non, les tennis women, c 'est en petite jupe ou rien du tout.

44:42Ça devient dur pour vous d 'essayer de faire croire que ce qui vous intéresse, c 'est la compétence sportive. Si c 'est mini-jupe ou rien... Et ça, c 'est quelque... Tout ce que tu dis est évidemment juste et je te rejoins sur tout, mais je ne peux pas m 'en pousser de me dire, on est de la même génération et donc l 'époque a tellement changé. Et moi, je sens que même mon regard sur les femmes et sur moi-même et sur... qu 'il y a une certaine heureusement douceur et prise de conscience sur cette façon de penser, cette compétition entre femmes, cette manière de... Elle ne m 'appartient pas et elle appartient à un truc qu 'on nous a inculqué et tout.

45:13Et du coup, je ne sais pas pourquoi quand tu parlais de ça, je parlais de nos regards aujourd 'hui sur les femmes. Est-ce que par exemple, plus jeune, vu qu 'on est de la même époque, tu regardais des concours type Miss France, des concours de beauté ou est-ce que tu as été aussi éduquée dans le fait que ce truc-là, ce n 'était pas... Non, pas du tout. Je regardais à fond. Je ne regardais pas Miss France parce que c 'est culturellement pas trop dans ma famille you'd have to watch Miss France, but things equivalent. Or even simply... I don't know if you had MTV, but you had a game called Singled Out.

45:38It was a game where the guys came out, they chose a meufs physical. At the end, they only watched three. They asked for questions for there. And it was an archi normal, archi okay, that the guys would say, you're not, you're not, you're not. You're good, you're good. But it was next? No, it's another thing. It was a thing later, not? Yeah, later. But yes. The meufs did the same thing in the other sense. They chose also the mecs physical. But it was not at all... Today, it would be to be able to do it with other things. We could not do it politically. We would say, but they also have questions of personality.

46:09We could not say, well, in general, we could just go away from the moches. But you see, you see the archives of TV that we watched totally détend. Like the proof of Fort Boyard, the Rouleau, where they had all the time... You had a plan of the camera on the face of the woman. It was crazy. or for the most aged of us the playmate, the strip tease at the TV

46:39at 19h with the cowboy where she was going to be a point I was a 6 ,5 years old with my parents and really it was a a meuf who was going to be a point at the TV for no context it was super my grandfather didn't lose a miette and it was super. And I can say that his other rendezvous was the Crazy Horse in the Nouvelle An. On regarde the Crazy Horse, his papi will make his little dinner. It's super. After, I have a control of the Crazy Horse, it's still another thing. But the fact of being... At least there's not a question, where we say it's a fun, we look at the meufs at point. And then, that we are not a good or not a good and that it's another thing.

47:19In fact, we have a dream of... In fact, it's an age of little girl, in regardant these men, in regardant these things, these things that they can't and all. And we are there. And so, in fact, It's a very good balance. It's a very good balance. It's a very good balance. In all of a matter of importance that we have to give our parents while they have the point of view. You were the very beautiful guy at the TV. They were at Abercrombie but they were very antipathic. I discovered it in the States for the first time. You were also the thing when it appeared. It was a bit risible. because it was not a bad thing and even the society had a look there-dessus like, yeah, it's like a big deal bodybuilder with a papillon because it was a little bit of a why do you do it because the guys don't want to be there so why are they there it's not a thing we what we want is it's a cus of meufs but you have reason to grow in saying in integrating that you do it or not okay, so it's it's what it's to do for having attention it's to it it's to it it's to that it's like that you can exist it's to it It was very hard after the casses.

48:26I think we are the last generation in which it was super normal. Is it your... Your friend, on the way, can you talk about it? You are public and all. Because in my show, I said... I said... I said... I said... I said... I said... And the other day, my friend said... I said... At which level? I thought, I thought, I thought, I was going to look at his shoes. And really, I looked at his shoes. In the way, he was going to be in the way. You see, in the middle of the way, it's going to be able to cut all that. And I was thinking, you're going to put the paix, to your kid? I imagine, like you would like to put the paix.

49:08Or is it a bit on him, on his little things, on his hygiene, on his... I don't know what. No, in the meantime, I find him too beautiful. But there's a thing where I do it all the time. I think he's a good thing. Yeah, but I find him, he's a chance to be beautiful. de manière brute. C 'est -à-dire, il n 'est jamais aussi beau que quand il est avec un jogging gris. Oui, mais toi, tu roules des pelles même quand il y a des poils. On est en train de changer. Attends, je te roule des pelles quand il y a des poils. Oui, oui. Non, moi, il y a un truc où je le fais chier. C 'est vraiment un niche, mais il met des trucs dans les poches avant de ses jeans.

49:37Tu sais, il met genre un gros portefeuille dans la poche avant de son jean et ça lui fait une vieille bosse devant. Et vraiment, j 'ai aucune patience. Et donc, So I said, I said, with your gross boss. Because it's an energy. And the other day, I saw a concert of him, at the TV. Ah, he had a portefeuille. And I said, you had a thing in your pocket, right ? He said, I didn't have a place in your pocket. I said, it's not possible. But it's almost like a mom. You know, I'm going to get your hands on your pocket. I said, why do you do that ? In addition, you're big, you have very long, you put your enormous portefeuille in which he has all his life, his passport.

50:06It's a very big thing. It's like if he had a patate in his pocket. It's like a shit in his pocket. And I said, but... I love the fact that it's very important. It's crazy. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. And then in smoking, you're not going to put your hand in front of your hand. You don't put things like that. You don't put your shoes on. I'm not sure about things like that. Yes, it's a bit like that. Completely. But no one said that it was more code. But on the physical, I have nothing to say. But it's true that the tolerance of au truc micracra des mecs, elle est quand même incroyablement supérieure à la nôtre.

50:45C 'est que ça passe. Tu te dis, ouais, bon, effectivement, la barbe, putain, mais nous, on aurait se laissé aller. On ne se l 'autoriserait peut -être pas nous-mêmes, tu vois. Moi, j 'ai l 'impression de m 'autoriser beaucoup. Mais le charme brut de... Tu vois, la peau n 'est pas nickel, il y a du poil dans le nez et tout ça, ça n 'existe pas pour nous, ça c 'est sûr. Ça, non. Mais même à une échelle... Enfin, non, mais là, je rentre dans un sujet. It's a good thing, I hope already that I'm going to cut my hand. But I was really in my hand, and at the moment, it feels like something. And I was like, damn, this is not possible, in fact.

51:17I'm going to leave you a little bit. Genre, really, it's our... No, but I was like, the desire is super fragile. I'm in the good mood and it's a nightmare. And there, he just replied to this thing horrible. I was like, it's even worse. He said, oh, like if it didn't happen to you. And really, I was like, we're two bitches. We're two bitches. I would like to see what they said. Pardon, en effet. Je me disais, mais en plus, quel exemple ? Tu m 'as perdu à... Le désir, c 'est fragile. Non, mais c 'est fragile, quoi. Moi, je ne peux pas. Un poil trop long ou une odeur de paix, et c 'est fini, j 'ai replié en vie pendant six mois.

51:53Je trouve que c 'est tellement... Je ne sais pas si c 'est Mother Man ou quoi, mais il ne faut pas... Il ne faut pas jouer avec mon désir, quoi. Oui, oui, non, c 'est vrai. C 'est vrai, tu as raison. C 'est vrai, je pense à quelques trucs comme ça. Après, il faut essayer de regarder ailleurs. Ailleurs, quoi. to another person? No, no, it's on him! It's just to tap another person. No, no, but to say... And then I tell you, there's so many things he doesn't say. He doesn't say anything. He doesn't say anything. And yet, I think that it's not a barbed, but he doesn't say anything. But he doesn't say anything at all.

52:29I think we're always looking at trying to get a little bit to be a part of the a bit the best version I think we all do it all the time I don't know, I would say that, I would say but n 'importe what, you were seen here by the ground with your own I think it's more a question of age than of an individual than of this guy but I have the impression it's like that, it's horrible for him but it's a very good compliment he is the person with whom I have made the most effort of my life I don't know, I never say I don't know, I don't know, respect you. In fact, I have the feeling that there is really nothing to do of how I'm going to be dressed.

53:07If I said, if I said, if I said, I wrote all the time to get a little video of Instagram, of like, the girl that you've met, she's mega sapé, and like, the girl that you find, and it's literally me, it's-it-to-all, with a young doggy, with a cat, with a cat, with a cat, for a little bit of a case, and I'm like, and you know, he doesn't understand why I speak. I'm like, it's literally me, in fact. I'm like, no, I don't know. In fact, it's not... It's sad because when you want to put the package in making a ton, in being hyper bad, you don't see it either. But really, I don't think it's a lack of respect.

53:39The fact that I live in Bijou, for example. No, I don't know. But then I say, in this case, we're going to let go like that. It's me who wants to... It's me who wants to... I want to make a super effort. They say, wow, you've done a super effort. And in fact, you don't see it. But I'm not saying that, I don't know. I'm not kidding. And to make me realize that it's not the way I'm going to get to it which makes my degree of mignonnerie. It's a great job. It's a bit of a glissal. But I was told that it goes in the two sides. It's not that I'm not sure. I don't have the feeling that it's not that I'm a respect.

54:11We're very very pigy. We're very very vêtements of interior. And never of the way I say, you know, for a look at the jogging, I don't see it anymore. Not at all. I'm completely en fous. It's not that I'm not sure. And I think it's so nice to say, on's tap, for example, when we're all together on weekend, weekend escapades, la valise que je fais elle est si peu sexy, c 'est que je me dis oh comme il va faire froid, viens on se prend genre des grosses polaires et on prend machin et j 'en porte rien j 'en porte de belles lures, plus de maquillage ouais mais tu vois je me dis pas oh quand même il y a peut -être un soir où je vais vouloir me faire belle je lui dirais j 'en ai rien à foutre est-ce que c 'est l 'âge, est-ce que c 'est lui est-ce que si j 'étais avec quelqu 'un d 'autre je m 'obligerais parce que j 'aurais l 'impression que je me sens moins regardée si je fais pas tous ces trucs là, mais le fait de voir qu 'il n 'y a aucune corrélation entre les efforts que je fais and the result, it's not a lot.

54:59And in the moments, for example, in promo, where it's a lot of days, I'm all the time maquillée, all the time coiffée, all the time sapée, and that, when I arrive at the house, before even to go to him, I start to go to him, to go to me démaquiller and to go to him, before even to go to him.

55:14Pénélope Bagieu: Oh, maybe you're in the gym. Oh, yeah. I'm going to go to me démaquiller. Like I'm not too much, I'm going to go to my house, in promo, I'm going to realize that the difference, it's that I'm going to be maquillée every day. And I have the feeling of having a mask, I don't know what I can do And when I arrive at home I start to put oil In my hands And make sure You know the head Of Furiosa In Mad Max With the black And all of it And once it's done I say Oh yeah I really I can't do that And then I say I'll take a look I'll take a look I'll take a look For him to say Hey Good evening You know But in fact I think he'll say It's fine You're a good I don't know So it's not It's not It's not It's not And then It's not It's not It's not It's not It's not It's not

55:52It's not that I tested the first. I have the impression that we have to rejure the stereotype that you're there. But is it, to come back to what we said, it's not because we were also programmed to be that for being a good idea, it was necessary to do that. And that it makes a big brain to say, but in fact, there are really a lot of people who have nothing to do with the efforts that we make. Maybe I should really take that. It's a fusion or not? I would rather that it's completely fusion. It's almost fusion. Yeah. On the note. But not at all. Yes, a little. In fact, I don't know in the future it's a little fusion.

56:21Maybe tomorrow, It will disappear. It will disappear. It will not disappear completely. But you have like... In fact, at the end, you have no more... Like if there was... You said cellophane? Cellophane? You film? Yeah, you film. At the end, it's transparent. Okay. Wait a second. So I'll call you my next guest like that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's been too cool. It was too cool. Sorry about not having played the show. You played well, I think, 35 minutes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anti-age, makeup, lifting, such a ming, botox, hot tox.

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