[REDIFFUSION] Sophie Fontanel et la douceur du temps qui passe

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2:08Transcription by CastingWords It's a woman who's a woman who's reassured, the same as the tapestry of the dame to the licorne, the beautiful table of Christmas, or the glycine when she fleurit. A blend of beauty, of sincerity and an almost romantic relationship. When sometimes I'm nostalgic to the temporality of my adolescence before the social media, I think she, I don't know why, and I'm sure that for her, this precious time of present exists always. It's a great joy for me to address her words and to meet her for the first time. In real, Sophie Fontanel. Wow, I like to read it often, that. s 'il te plaît est-ce que j 'ai raison ou est-ce que j 'ai tort sur ce rapport au temps où j 'ai le sentiment que tu as un truc tellement multiple on parlera évidemment de ton livre que tu es parti en ce moment de ton métier d 'écrivaine mais aussi de ton rapport pour moi tu es une personne que j 'ai connue peut -être pas par les réseaux sociaux peut -être par la presse au départ mais je te vois beaucoup sur les réseaux et à côté de ça, pour moi tu n 'incarnes pas ce temps-là tu n 'incarnes pas j 'ai l 'impression que tu es libre de ça I think that I was going to go on social media because it was I was nervous about the way we were showing women and maybe also women.

3:20I feel a little androgyne at moments. But it was I was nervous about this kind of appearance, because it's called appearance, appearance. And I said, there is no way to show another way to appear. That's why I was going to. So, the people, it's a little bit of a shock. All generations They're confused because they said, well, she's looking to take a look. But do you think that you have a problem with a problem? Certainly. I think that you don't have a face and skin care Korean. And you have an algorithm that needs to be done with very good things. It depends. I can have an algorithm. I can have a lot of things on the war.

3:58Because it's envahi. I'm a lot on Instagram. It's envahi, obviously, by what's happening in the world. And I'm not sensible. so I look and in this moment it's really like a JT in fact Instagram, but I'm also a fan of art, a fan of things that we all follow a man who speaks with people in the metro in the States or in London Karim he's called I'm a artist a lot of things a lot of things and my algorithm it's not too bad when I go on TikTok I'm a lot more bad I had a lot of trouble with TikTok. I told you if you start to install it, you will not be able to stop. And really, I don't know what to do.

4:39I think it's going to be a media. There are plenty of people who told me that it's done. Instagram, go on TikTok. But it's also an appearance. It's that people ask where it's going to be. It's going to be on TikTok. I think it's going to be there where we are at talking with people. Because there's still a exchange in all that. And clearly, you're doing well on Instagram, because when you put the story to tell you that you came to do this podcast, I received a lot of messages from a moment. I was wondering, what's going on today? Is it my show? And in fact, it was in reaction to that. On said, but thank you, thank you for receiving it.

5:15It's because I'm assuming it's because I'm passing it. I'm going to get my hair blancs. It's because it's something that you're doing. I think you're going to receive messages. There are a lot of messages. In the street, there are women who show their hair when they're white. It's really like a club. And then there are also those who tell me that in the street, like the other day at the kitchen, not the other day, the last one, there is a woman who tells me that you know, I don't know, I don't know, but after they have a little honte, they say I'm going to be puni if I don't have the hair blancs.

5:43And I never want my life to oblige anyone to have the hair blancs.

5:51It's so special to vieillir, and then even to be all just simplement d 'être. Chacun fait comme il peut. Moi, j 'avais les oreilles décollées quand j 'étais jeune. Je ne supportais pas. Je les ai recollées. Quand j 'ai mangé tellement de bonbons, quand les dents, elles n 'allaient plus devant, j 'ai mis des facettes. Je ne fais pas la chirurgie esthétique, tout ça. Mais j 'ai fait des choses, on peut dire, les oreilles, les dents, tout ça. Et je n 'aurais jamais jugé. En revanche, je ne juge pas, mais il y a des choses qui me rendent très triste. Quand je vois... Maintenant, quand je le dis sur Instagram, It's a bad thing.

6:26So, it's not bad. But when I see a lot of mimours, it's a bad thing. It's a bad thing. Because in plus, we're talking about the apology of the maigreur. It's a bad thing. It's a bad thing. Now, if I felt that she was really, but she was really, she was really, she was really very happy. But I don't even feel that. It's a bad thing. It's a bad thing. you don't have the right to judge it, etc. And it's true. It's true that we don't have the right to judge it. But all of that, on a the right to have a point of view. On can't stop it. And I who work a lot in the mode, I see... When I say hello to designers at the end of the show, often there are stars who pass me down but I'm incapable of seeing them.

7:06Because they are all the same the time of the show, on the talons very high, very very very very very very very very very very very and with the têtes like Michael Jackson, with the têtes of Bambi. So these women, I feel like I'm their grand-mère. But this rapport to the mode, You can't do that, you've seen a lot of evolution. Because we talk about the fact that the mode becomes more inclusive. I've said, I've had the impression that it's a little bit of anything. Because for me to be found at Cannes or in a cinema festival, or at Venice, where all of a sudden it's super, and the mode is inclusive, but everyone's affam three weeks ago to enter into the thing, we'll get to it.

7:40There, there's plenty of things. For s 'affammer, to enter into the protos, in the clothes, that's the reality. When we're not prepared, I don't want to be prepared for a show, I don't have a lot of time, of course. Because I'm a 40, and I'm going to do a 34, 36. So, it's important to be able to enter into this prototype if she is a star normal. If she is a star enormous, well, she thinks she is a star normal. If she is a big head, then we're going to do a retouch. Sur her. So, there's also a diversity. But in the mode, and that's part of, maybe, where I'm completely pervert from the mode, but I'm going to understand it.

8:20In the mode, there is a diversification. If we see a show channel, there are women of all ages. Well, not all ages, but in all cases, there are still women of 55 years. But in fact, they are still formatées. They have the hair sometimes blancs, sometimes grisonnants, they're rid. But they have the allure of a mannequin. And that's something... I'm dressed to aim it. I like to see people when they are too maigres. I don't like it. But when they're fins and longs, I'm well. So it's all... Where is it that we put the bar? There are people... There are people, for example, who say you're lucky, you're mince.

9:01I'm mince, but sometimes in a 40, I don't want to put a 42, it doesn't call it. It's called it normal, in fact. It's called... I don't know. But people are so fragile, on his weight, on his weight, on can feel gross, on can feel 38, it exists, on can feel gross. Of course, the issues can be complex. So, it's a question very large, mouvant, and the mode, every time she shows what we call plus size, it's always a bit like that, on makes a girl hyper round to show that there is one, but in real, she doesn't like that. And I love, from time to time, when I see a girl who is with a form and who is super happy and super well I love but it's true that my problem before the summer is to say now it's not to maigrir it's to me muscler with the time on change a bit but your go your freedom for that the fact of not having just to say for example the maigreur I never have been and all is that something that you have is that a moment you have managed to fill out of the codes of what was desirable on the paper for a woman the time, according to the epochs, is it something that comes from an education, something where you were detached, or you had always this freedom to feel well in your mouth?

10:23In fact, my story, it was very long, very fine, very maigre, and my parents guettaient for knowing if I would be very, very, very, very, very, very like rachitic, if I was not, by hasard, to have the body of my father completely rachitic. And when I started to have a form, everyone had respirated, and I saw that it was positive, in fact, I was fine, but I was not maigre so I was remained, I was dressed that if we are maigre, it's not a sign there's a problem of health and then I remember, I remember I was making a moment because I was too maigre and all of a sudden I had to go, I loved it and all of a sudden I was becoming a little and I was very happy to be a little until I was in photo in fact, all of a sudden is moving and there we are talking about Nora, on is talking about my parents, but all that is so much linked to the other's eyes.

11:16Because if we're talking about someone who says, I love you, why you don't have any pain? We start to relax. We have to have a need of this regard. All of a sudden you said that it's not easy to live. At what age do you feel like it's not easy? At what age do you feel like it's a transformation? For you, you felt a moment in your life, something that changed, that has been changed, where you told me I want to be able to do something else. How did it happen? It's been very hard. I have 63 years. I think it's been there, it's been 2-3 years. Ah, really? It's been very hard because, in fact, I have a temperament so adolescent that it's not because I don't want to live.

11:58Au contraire, j 'aime bien être cette femme. Et même parfois, je ressemble à Mamie Nova, etc. Ça me plaît, tout cet éventail. Mais dans ma tête, je suis très, très, très adolescente. Et à un moment, des choses que je faisais, genre manger tout un paquet de Choco Prince, tout d 'un coup, le corps n 'a plus supporté de faire ça. Tout d 'un coup, j 'ai eu mal au dos. Tout d 'un coup, j 'ai commencé à tomber. Pas du tout parce que j 'avais de l 'ostéopause, mais parce que j 'avais une cheville fragile. and I felt something that happened that we felt less power when we are with people other thing it happens for very little time but I don't know if I'm honest when I'm talking about people when I'm with people young but it doesn't matter I don't know it's completely wrong because they search they search my company but I'm telling I'm going to I'm going to So it means that it's a real reality This story of the time And I was out The day where I understood Because it was not happened to me That all these young people They want to meet with me They want to talk with me And they have so much need To talk with people more age Tellement need Tellement need Because they have their ideas And I'm afraid of them Because they know exactly That it's good, that it's not good That it's not possible that's not possible, that's not possible.

13:29And then at a moment, they are all of a sudden polyamour, it's not a problem, they don't want to be faithful, but I also, in these cases, I'm going to be polyamour. And then at a moment, we go to dinner, and they say, but you think what, in fact? And I, all of a sudden, I say, if ever we were wrong, I would mourn, in fact. And then, I see that all the carapace, and they have to need, It doesn't mean that they don't live differently from me, but they need to hear people who speak, frankly, with a lot of patience about how they do. We need experience and recits. Is it not so that you're talking about your book, your book that came out of the way?

14:12Is it not that also a way to transmit it? Justement, Sheher Hazard, it's a piece of it. Sheher Hazard, this book, the history of the Mille and Une Nuits, normalement, everyone knows about what it's about. But we don't know anymore. I was told to tell you how a monument of literature is to transmit. It's to say how on me the transmit when I was 17 years old. I was inventing it in part, but how on me the transmit. How I'm interested in my adult age and how I think about it. And how I transmit a young man of 17 years whose attention is the one of an Etourneau-Sanssonnet and who will look at all what she needs to know.

14:51How do I translate that? And that's why I came to an idea where I was thinking that in fact, the head-ofs, because in fact, the young people read less, but the head-ofs of the literature, in the literature, people, they will read it. There are very few people who read the literature. Very few. What is even more important than reading it, is to transmit it. It's that you know that there is Jean Valjean, that there is a Madeleine de Proust. I'm trying to schématize it. There are people who say, but to say, but not, it's really reading the books. But for entering in, it's not bad to pass by people who tell the story.

15:28Yeah, and they're told. We need this transmission. To you, you've been taught that? You've been taught like that? Completely, but it doesn't enter. It's a-t-in that I tell you in the book. When I was 17 years old, I had a aunt who I was driving to Venise and she told me, you know, she was amazing, because she told me a story to a man to escape the death. and it was a surprise to me. I saw at the hotel where we were going to eat the croquettes in the evening, I saw all the young who came from the Baignade, from the Lido of Venise, in the bar with the shoes mouillés. I said, I didn't have any of that.

16:01I had a desire to put his hands on my hands. I had a desire to do that. But she didn't have all that in vain. And I think that the fault that we have today, in the conflicts of generation, the fault that we have, it is that it is being able to push. When we are faced with young people, it is being able to push. They have a lot to learn. But we have something. In fact, it is necessary to transmit and then they will take what they want. Yes, and I think it's in fact something in which the transmission is also something. It's not something direct. I think it's an anecdote. I said to a friend, I don't have to buy a bibelot who serve as nothing because I find it so nice to put on the table a kind of door covered in shape of a shoe.

16:44And she said, but it's too nice because your son will remember that at the moment of Christmas, he remembers these little things that rest. And in fact, it's like the memories that we built, in fact. It's this transmission-là that you talk about. It's just that you say, I have a nephew, he comes to house with his love and they have bought you know, where the young people go, it's not IKEA, it's other things where they go. And my brother and I, the father of my nephew and I, we are here and we have brought things to us, things of the family, of things that I had to be chin, things of their grandmother, and the joy of this little couple of seeing a vase in the cuivre, a thing.

17:28We would have thought that they would say it's not modern,

17:33I don't want to say it's caca. But no. All of a sudden, they have something that comes from the family. It's so important. It's so important. And even for when people come to come to them, have things so personal. It's super important. It's like that we imagine your house too. When you post photos in this mirror, everything fascinates me. The windows, everything has a look and comfortable. I'll come back. But in fact, my apartment, my apartment, it's like open to 80. It's on the roof. There's no balcony, but it's on the roof. and there's a lot of windows and at home a lot of things because of course I work in the mode there's a lot of things, I do a lot of things but a lot of things sort I was born in an Armenian family I don't know how you were born and in fact, if you were at a tante and you said I love this plateau when we were born, she would say I love the plateau because if someone likes, we give him not to all, but But I was raised like that.

18:44So the things... Everyone knows that when we come to me, the people are going to watch the placard in the air to say, maybe there's a moment where we go to the placard. Because at all times, they're going to go with also. But I love to give things. I love to give things. And even sometimes, I'm doing mistakes. At the exit of the Covid, I was in Normandy during the confinement in a little studio with my brother. It's at Deauville, it's a very chic. It's a little studio microscopy. and we were all together there the one as well as when we were eating the Choco Prince when we were children and then one day we could go out, the boutique opens for a year but on a coup of head I was all at the vintage to buy a Chanel Chanel in a fortune, a foal too small for me and so I tried to wear but she didn't put it, it was not especially with the Covid, with the confinement we had well eaten and a day I had a wife who came and told me I don't know what to put this night etc.

19:47and she said she was she was on his hands she was called Lisa and she was left with her I adore it, in fact, it's going to pass you time and she's not a jupe Chanel she's been preempted I think I would not be able to get in but when you do all these promos, there are many TV, radio also but today the radio is filmed so So you see everywhere. Are you comfortable with the idea of seeing your image? Well, for being honest, I think it makes me stress. It makes me feel like I have kept my childhood. I heard everything you said in your teaser when you were young. I kept my childhood an idea that now it's completely over.

20:32That I'm not jolie, but when I was young, When I was young, I was very young. But I kept this idea that it was not going to go. And so, I always have this thing where I say... If I'm at a salon of a book, for example, I say that it's horrible, it's not that I'm selling my book. It's my fault if we don't sell it, if people don't stop me from my table. It's horrible for that, the salon of a book. Well, it's like it's a good thing to do. But on a fear, on a stress. And the TV, it's a big écoute. And I'm going to be judged by people who don't know me. Because when you're judged, on Instagram, there are about half a million people who follow me, but they know me.

21:11They know me. If they follow me, they know me. A little bit. On the TV, on touch, every time I pass, I'm going to set you, I don't know what. Immediately, on the grand library, there are people who say, but who is this, that's a witch, that's a witch. They're like a witch, she's like a patti smith. It's a phrase... Yes, yes, yes. Because the people don't know who I am, and so they will judge me physically, because we judge the people physically and women particularly. Well, don't worry for them. But I find it at the same time strong and free. It affects you just read and it's a pressure because we don't know it, and we know that it will happen, but after, in the end of your life, it's done?

21:50No, when it affects me, I'm very douce. But I remember once an episode of a balance in Paris. I don't remember how it was called, it was an episode of TV before. and it was an interview where there was an invite mystic. And I was the invite mystic. I had written a book on the abstinence. And so I think it was Philippe Calvi, or he was Envie. This book called L 'Envie. And he had a lot of success, in the entire world. And on all understand why. Well, because in the show of the show, there was one who came. He talked about the book. There was one who came. I was this guest. But the people on the table didn't know.

22:25And he said, now we're going to talk about the book of Sophie Fontanel who tells her that she chose the abstinence. And there a boy who talks, who works in the pub, I think CBS News or something like that, and he says, I looked at the face of Sophie Fontanel, she said she chose the abstinence. I have the impression that it's the abstinence that he chose. Ah, the hell. It's horrible. And there, Philippe Calvi said, you will be able to say it because she is there. And I arrive at him, and I'm in front of a man, well, he also, the abstinence would have been chosen, maybe even in proms. but I'm looking for this man and I replied, I'm not in insults, I'm saying it's not me that you insult me because we're on the one, I'm not I'm not but you're saying that when people are in the queue of the cinema and they're not a companion or a companion super beau, it's that's what you're saying, it's not me that you insult me it's all the people who listen to you and he's excused at plate couture but it was too late.

23:27He had a little bit of a vachery. Yes, yes. It was going to be a little bit. In fact, he wanted to make a little van and he was found out like... It's really... It's a thing that I've been thinking about. I don't know if you've already seen it on the réseau. I don't know if you've seen it on the internet. There are several accounts who do that. They're going to take criticism of the people and say, hey, let's go, let's go, let's go. And then they'll put the profile of the guy. I love it. There are a lot of people who do that. Anne Godfroy, she does that. I've never wanted to enter there-in because it's a way to do it, to be a pushing ball, etc.

23:59I think that when people put on Instagram, you're mocha, I'm going to write, I'm going to tell you. Because I think it's going to put it in the sand or then it's going to be able to write a message privé, if I can, in saying, I'm going to put it on your message. I'm going to tell you. And then, people are excused. Yes. I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. It's crazy. It's a thing. This need to be attention, you say it's still... But of all, it's been a thing. I've understood that when one day, someone talked about Marilyn Monroe. And there's someone who said, I don't even think Marilyn Monroe, I don't even think she's beautiful.

24:37I'd say, if Marilyn Monroe doesn't do the unanimity, it's not Sophie Fontanel who's going to do it. So I'm going to get into it. And then also when I did, since you're a person public, when I was doing the TV and I was all the night there was no part ailleurs I saw what it was that people come to you if I could say in a little bit of a mechanically and I saw that it's horrible to be desired by people who don't like it so I don't want to I don't want to of course of time on a good to be the pimp that everyone looks but in real it's not a great destiny and it's better that you have des connaisseurs qui se disent « ça, ça m 'intéresse ».

25:21Quand j 'étais petite, j 'avais qu 'une seule hâte, c 'était de bosser. Je rêvais d 'être boulangère, fromagère, libraire. J 'imaginais, femme indépendante, avoir ma propre boutique et être la patronne de mon petit commerce. Ce sentiment d 'indépendance, je l 'ai finalement gagné sur scène grâce à mes spectacles. Mais si je devais réaliser cet autre rêve d 'enfant, bon, je ne sais pas ce que je vendrais, peut -être ma marque de skincare ou de maquillage, mais j 'utiliserais sans doute Shopify qui sponsorise cet épisode. Avec Shopify, pas de galère de logistique, pas de crainte que

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27:14But it's something that changes so much over and over time. I have the feeling that I started to love a certain time. For example, the mode, it didn't interest me. It was even Loïc Prigent at the time where I was at the quotidien who had made a van in asking me questions why you don't interest the mode? And in fact, it was something that I was a bit complexed a bit because I was told that I didn't feel as well. In fact, the idea of being a desire was terrified. The idea that we were thinking that she had a effort to have done or not done. Something was terrifying in the fact of having a fear of not being loved.

27:44Today, I'm going to get into it. So I'm going to get into it. I'm going to get into it. I'm going to get into it. I'm going to get into it. I'm going to get into it spectacular. Because it doesn't matter at all. It doesn't matter at all. It's not a thing. One day I talked about a very, and he was born, because he was already very, very old at the time, a very old psychoanalyst called Salomon Resnik. He was an Argentin. He was a great guy. And I said, I don't know if I'm a desire. And he, with his accent argentin, he said, but what is this question idiot that you asked? He said, you don't have to ask this question.

28:14He said, it's someone you found. He said, you know, there's always a fool who will want you to want. Because it's a thing of a lie, to want to want someone to want. It's a little act like that. And I think we don't need to ask this question and we need to ask the life to ask. Of course, sometimes we love to feel good. I don't know what, we're going to want to be like Monica Vitti. Well, for me, it's not all these sorts of sorts. But what we really make it attirant, it's a failure. And this failure, we can't control it. I remember having seen a woman in Greece, on a woman who was talking about...

28:53We talked about how she could not put her arms. And there was a woman who had a barred with the legs, not the soutien-gorge, the teeth, like that. She had to have the age that I have now. and in fact she had a bearded and it was like that she was a little bit and she was very sexy without saying I don't want to say sexy like in YouPorn but there was a thing it was like that it was like that I am and it was beautiful but it's funny because I think if you connect sometimes to your child's look at your child in all of a sudden, it does that I remember that little, for example For example, I liked the hands a little bit rid of it.

29:35I loved what I would call the mom. When I saw my body change, the bottom of the waist, the nose which is a little more fine, the throat which makes a little bit more. I thought it was very beautiful when I was little. And it's funny because when you start to see it, you're in regret. Is it because you never know what you have? What happened to us? We are there, we would not have a lot of ventre. I was almost all. I remember an amour. an amour of a few years ago, who told me, I was a little bit upset, because of all of a sudden, when I was a kid, I had the wind bomb. And he told me, it's an emerald.

30:14So immediately, he told me, it's an emerald. And what's that that we came to do to want to have... I see that it's something very important to have almost a tablet of chocolate. But all is a good thing. there is still an enormous responsibility of... You said, you said, I have something on my algorithm. Which is not glorious. I said, if you do 100 times this, if you do 100 times this... And then I realized that these people didn't exist. They're robots. And you said, you said to do it like the robot. I didn't say I did it like the robot. And I paid the thing where I received the kit with the ballon and the cerceau, and I bought everything with 20 minutes per day, and then at the end of 20 minutes per day, after it's super to do sports for to construct the muscles, the stuff and all, but in fact, it's this kind of, I see exactly with this voice a little alias who speaks...

31:14There's that, he's stopped, when I saw that he was wrong, he's in a couch, he doesn't exist. It's a old sage who's always assis in a tire, you've never seen that? With a cat? No, not with a cat, a little bit, a guy is assis and then he says and then he says it's a funny thing but it's a funny thing you can't see these words yes it's a funny thing he says you know sometimes when you wake up your heart is charged you have to close your eyes until you hear the bird you know you're like a con listening to the bird with LCI with the one side and the information of France Culture you know this kind of stuff and you listen to the bird I think I'm the first victim I bought a lot of stuff on Instagram.

31:58I bought a lot of stuff on Instagram. I bought a lot of stuff on Instagram. I bought a little tisane in the morning and I started to look at things. And then it's very easy because they don't have authentication when you buy it by phone. So it's really very easy. It's fascinating to see that we are in a quête. déjà on voudrait être tout est con en fait quand on dit d 'abord aime-toi il faut t 'aimer il faut déjà s 'aimer soi-même ouais ou pas, moi j 'aime bien l 'idée qu 'on s 'est d 'orpin voilà, c 'est pas mal aussi c 'est pas mal aussi je pense qu 'il n 'y a rien de plus beau de plus chouette dans la vie que la vulnérabilité et donc c 'est pas mal aussi de ne pas se sentir complètement en puissance.

32:48Il y a des jours où... Est-ce que ça t 'a fait ça qu 'il y a... Encore une fois, sur cette histoire de l 'apparence, tu as des jours où tu te lèves le matin, tu vas devant le miroir de ta salle de bain, tu te fais... Oh, voilà, super. Tu vas te faire un café, tu reviens, tu prends ta douche, tu vois. Tu te regardes dans l 'ascenseur. Tu fais... Non, c 'est pas possible. Normalement, tu ne ressembles à rien, etc. Ça change de seconde en seconde. Ton apparence change de seconde en seconde. Et comment tu te sens aussi. I was surprised that on the photos, for example. I can see a photo. I have always need, I think, 24 hours.

33:19We're going to take a photo. I'm going to see the thing. I'm going to say, oh, that's a horror. Like if, all of a sudden, I imagined something else. I imagined a woman spectacular. Surprise, it's just me. And in fact, I believe that what I don't like, it's what I feel. In fact, I feel, instead of seeing me. I feel, I feel, I feel. And when I forget this state-of-the-art, and that a few days after I look at the photo, I say, well, in fact, all is very well. I don't know why I'm focusing on these things. But it's complicated, I think. Yes, of course, of that. To say that everything is wrong, but in being serein with that.

33:47To, for example, how do you have your hair? How do you have your hair? Yes, I have a wife, I had 36 years, who told me... I had a black hair. I had a big hair hair. I had since the age of 16. And she told me, if you remove this hair, you will be able to 20 years. 36 years, what's the matter of doing it? I had to have my hair. As I was able to have my hair, I was feeling bad. because of all of a sudden I had a thing that was going on there I don't know, it didn't go on after I was going on my shoes and in fact, it's in seeing women, it's for that I know why it's important for women to see me without saying how she is beautiful because I'm not trying to say that but to say it's beautiful it's beautiful the shoes and it's in seeing women like that, I saw in the Rue of Rome, with a robe with a little bit of a big, with a spadrille with the shoes at the far-facet but I was thinking what a shit I'm a crazy if I can help it's also that you're hyper stylized because I hear every time I hear the shoes it's super beautiful I hear my wife who's wearing the shoes who say I haven't yet I have four and I have my wife who start to wear the shoes and who say yeah but the shoes are black they're hyper stylized but at the same time it's true that it's true the rouge is nickel but I have the impression that you're also liated to an allure you're very well you're very well you're a great quality of your shoes I'm not a coiffed I'm not going to be maquillée.

35:12It's even more agaçant. But what I believe, is that the only thing, if you want to have a black hair, it's that you love it. The girl who says that, it's because she doesn't want it. There are girls who don't like it. For example, I prefer black and gris. At a moment, I find it more beautiful. But in fact, I see women with the hair gris, it's very beautiful because they love it. It's a story. And for love it, it's got a reference. Because what's going on the head of all these women? in my head too. Do you see a film where there's a film where there's a woman who's going to be amoureux with a woman with a hair?

35:46No. There's never one. You're already going to be amoureux with a woman with a woman with a woman? Déjà? I work in the mode, so I'm a lot of dinner in the mode. And often, there are... The women's heteros in these places, they're not a designer, they're not a designer. They're just a man. They're importants who dirigent a group, etc. It's not that I'm close to one of these women. Because I have a status, we'll say, in this milieu, So often I'm beside someone a little important. At the moment he sees me, his first thing is Oh, man, he's beside the Blanche. And I see all of the sudden he says Merde, he'd prefer, in the mode, to be beside a little pinup.

36:25And finally, there are, there are never, never turn the legs towards me. I was at a dinner acne. There was a man, he was a commissary priser. He didn't turn the head towards me. He can't. He doesn't want, he doesn't want, he doesn't want. And he is, he is not a shoe on the paper. Yes, yes. Of course. But at a moment, he sees me and talks. But they are not used to be used. They are not used to be used to be used.

36:54The woman who has the hair blancs is not perceived as a being of seduction. So they are not... For them, they can find it beautiful. They can find it romantic, charming, etc. But it is not perceived as a seduction. And I will say... I also say seduction and sexuality it's not perceived as a target sexuelle they have no idea because they never see I'm trying to try to make it they never see and in fact when and I say it's so to the women with the black to show that they can be very very charming it's to them to evangelize it's still to us to educate But it's always... It's horrible. I know that everything that I said that it didn't need to do with the black hair.

37:45For example, I told you always have a look at the hair. Always a look at the hair. After, there's the hair. The hair is very thick. It's a frisotti. But nothing at all. It depends on the hair, in fact. Or maybe the first one. I sometimes when I have... Because I have a toucher. There's one that is bizarre. I don't know if it's cramé or black. Non, non, je pense que ça... Mais en effet, à la fin, ça se uniformise. Donc, je pense qu 'on raconte beaucoup de bêtises là-dessus. J 'ai vu, je l 'ai passé l 'autre jour sur Instagram, il y a une scène d 'un inspecteur Colombo, il y a une femme qui vient l 'embrasser, qui a les cheveux blancs, complètement blancs.

38:19Et c 'est fascinant qu 'il se fasse embrasser par cette femme. Et j 'ai vu dans un documentaire sur Colombo qu 'il tenait à ce que ce soit une femme comme ça. Elle doit avoir une cinquantaine d 'années, très belle, et elle l 'embrasse. Il est très surpris. En plus, embrasser Peter Falk, c 'est pas mal. It's crazy because when you say that, I'm trying to make a list of women that we see represent. No, no. In fact, I don't see one. In fact, there are two. You have Cruella in the film. Yes. And you have Diab Sabian Prada. Yes, yes. But there are in the mode. There are some women with the hair longs, black, very beautiful.

38:54There are in the mode. There are a few. There's a Nejeri Zara, Angela Molina, who is very, very Spanish, who has 72 years and has the hair completely blanks, beautiful, gris, blancs. No, no, there are. But it's... The mode is a little to experiment this kind of beauty. But it's in the current life that there is not. But do you think that people who don't even know I don't even know that just to accept of the time that goes, of seeing his face to transform his face, is it something that is liable to his relationship with his gender and his men? Do you think? Because I have the impression that when you say that you have to have the hair, it's also a good thing.

39:38You have a good thing for it. It's not just a militant, a good thing. I do what I want. I think it's beautiful because I was very brun. And then when I was a black, they were black. Because for the black, I have the impression of being blonde. D 'ailleurs, sometimes it's going to be a little bit. Sometimes it's going to be a little bit. A little bit. Ah oui, a little bit. It's going to be a little bit. I said, but over my dead body, never I put a little bit. because my hair is black, so it's very soft, I think that the color is very soft. I think that the hair is a great... For me, it's not the hair, it's not the hair.

40:10It's not the hair, it's really the body. It's not the appearance. It's the body. But the appearance of the body. It's when you're in a bain, I'm the generation, on had a bat of a bain, I never had a haut. I resisted to be that in a monokini until it's about 10 years ago, or a beach at the beach, or I was at the Catalan at Marseille, I saw that everyone looked at Traviolet, so I realized that it started to pass. And it was not my age, it was that all of a sudden, it was like that, it was the mode, and at a moment, it was... But we don't see a lot. No, we don't see a lot. It's going to be in Portugal or on some islands to see, but we don't see a lot.

40:51In Spain, we don't see women in the face. And then at a moment, at a moment, you say, I don't want to put a piece, then one day you put a piece. And you see well, there is a very beautiful phrase of Aragon who says, it's like a shame who is going to grow. And there is a kind of shame of old age. And I think it's going to accept it. It's going to say that we have a little shame. Like when we are in the middle of a young age, we say, but they will be going to sleep. I'm going to sleep. And then there is also this shame. Okay. but it also needs to conjure because if we don't show that it's like this and not other people everyone will believe that it can be an other way and that it should all the time have a chocolate tablet even when we have 70 years it's not it's you who said I have the impression of having read this in one of your interviews that the chirurgic esthétique was also certainly linked to an anguish of death ah bah oui évidemment because why is it so it's so gênant to vieillir alors effectivement il y a des femmes toute leur vie a reposé sur le désir des hommes et on connait peut -être comme ça, on connait tous et toutes des femmes si un garçon les trouve mignonnes il y a de fortes chances qu 'elles y aillent, je parle pas du mec qui va les chauffer du pointeur et toutes ces conneries I just talk about in a relationship.

42:18If there's a man who really says that they'll feel so flat, they'll be so flat, they'll be so flat, they'll be so flat, they'll be so flat, they'll be so flat, they'll be so flat or very low. So there's a lot of women who have always been in the idea that they exist. It's really a conviction. Often when I'm with my wife, they tell me, they tell me, but you know, is it still on the floor? And when we're at a terrace of a cafe, I say, listen, we're going to play a game. Arrêtez de vous demander si vous plaisez Et dites-moi, dans la foule des hommes qui passent Qui vous plaît Et on n 'en voit pas Et puis quand on en voit un, parce que mon café il est à côté de la comédie française Bah c 'est Guillaume Gallienne C 'est facile évidemment, Guillaume Gallienne Il nous plaît, il est génial Tu vois, tu vois passer Eric Ruff Oui, tu vois passer, il y en a plein des beaux comédiens De la comédie française Mais nous sinon on n 'en voit pas C 'est -à-dire qu 'en fait je pense que la chose there's a reenchantment between the women and women which is to do but we can't do it all alone it's important to be with us and it's true that when the women say we can't do anything to do it's a bit angoissable because you say how did you do it before I know in my family I have a lot of men I see a lot of males I see how they are when they see one of my wife who is celibate who is celibate for 10 years sometimes And they say, I don't understand, she's super cute.

43:41Why is she all alone? Because she wants, because she wants. Because in fact, what she wants to do to life, it's not a man who at the beginning doesn't want to engage. Because it's those stories. So they don't find it. I have a wife who, the other day, she told me, she was a little younger than me. She told me, she told me, for a story of being able to look at her in the glass. She told me, it's absolutely necessary to take care of her activities sexuelles. So, she's on an app, she's out with a boy And the boy was super Because she was on an app, she had chosen They're on an app And they're on an app And then she said, since the next day And it's not that you...

44:21I see that you look at me It's not that you're attached to me Because for me, it's a plan cul I want it to be a plan cul And then she said, yeah He said, well, he's been put on the basis He was very clear She said, what do you think? I said, but someone who tells me I want just a plan cul And then, and then, it's to prevent I said, but it can happen. You go to a marriage. There's a guest who is there. It's because I said, you have something with someone. You never will see it. But it's a plan. It's a plan of a night. But it's not like that. It's something that's done. And the horror, it's the one who presupposes that they look at it.

45:00It's not that you can't touch it. And the people who ask... I have also another who told me that a girl who told me that I have several I have several I have several I have several I have several I have several I said but it's not possible in fact it can't work like that and then in these cases we talked about the age I said is that I'm liée is that something that's lié to my age because for me I had well when I was young there were people who divorced because it was the beginning. And then after I realized that we could have plenty of amours, and then I was able to have a lot of people in my life.

45:43I completely forgot the first ones that I had. But I had the idea that it was sacred. It's a story that you pertains. It's beautiful, it's sacred, it's something... After, we forget it, it's crazy. I have an old friends who say, ah, ah, ah, ah, and then I say, I'm going to say, yeah, it's true, there was all that, but I forgot to forget. I don't like this guy who said that. I would have to answer that. I don't know what I'm going to do when I'm going to do it. Oh, that's very, very good, this phrase. Oh, hell, hell. Franchement, I have very few experience. So I don't know how to say it. I think there are very few people in the desire.

46:16But what you say is that you say, I have a couple of girls who are in this age of 40, and who say, ah, well, or who, for those who have not children, and I don't know what, and how to find it. And I'm still there. And in fact, you're there. But who is a desire? Because when we talk about the crisis of femininity, not the crisis, but the revolution of femininity, there is a revolution of masculinity. It's why today there is this terrible thing of masculinism. In fact, the place was found. It was found. And they don't know how to do it. It's not that they are seigneurs, and not that they are of war.

46:55It's like we are. We are trying to be seigneur. It's the best. It's the best. It's the best. It's the best. With great feelings. I remember one last amour that I had, a few years ago, really a great story of love. We had a coffee, and then he talked to me. He was a little older, so he was not very young. And then he said, you know, I'm asking questions on the cul. At the moment he said, I said, why do you say this word? He was ahuried. he said what do you say I said but you don't say that when you're on the head when you're on the head in that century and I said but because you put the thing in a plan of triviality and I said but the little desire that he would be for me has completely disappeared because he said she's crazy but I said I said but I can't have to have to have to me mettre nue dans un lit avec un homme qui dit tu vois, c 'est pas possible en fait c 'est pas possible, on peut pas parler comme ça mais c 'est pour ces mêmes raisons là que je trouve que le sexe pour moi n 'est pas du tout quelque chose qui est supposé être alors évidemment quotidien mais ni même routinier j 'aime pas du tout l 'idée que ça fasse partie d 'une...

48:15on nous l 'a mis dans la tête on nous l 'a mis dans la tête tu sais et c 'est là où on est malade et pour ça c 'est intéressant, on a commencé sur les algorithmes Par exemple, sur un algorithme, je regarde Je ne sais pas si tu le connais, celui-là, c 'est un Japonais Qui vit, on ne le voit jamais Avec père, à part des copains Mais il est tout seul et on le voit Il se fait un bol de riz, il met une petite feuille De shizou, il est dehors Il y a la rosée, il marche bien nu sur les planches De sa petite terrasse Et on se dit Ça devrait être comme ça Et en fait L 'amour, ça devrait être comme ça, ça devrait être Que tu goûtes choses qu 'elles sont délicates, qu 'elles sont merveilleuses.

48:58Et puis, ce n 'est pas ça. Je pense qu 'il y a un vrai... C 'est vraiment les jeunes qui vont arriver là. Quand ils ont terminé avec leur colère, que je comprends tellement. En plus, ils continuent de se faire avoir. Ils continuent d 'y avoir. Une gamine, elle monte ses seins. Un garçon, il l 'envoie sur Snapchat. Et ça continue. Quand ils auront fini avec cette colère, il va falloir, et il y en a qui arrivent, they would have to ask what is it what is it that we do of the grace what is it that we do of the grace of the relationship for the young people who when I was young I'm more old than you but when I was young I was born in 62 when I was 15 years I saw from a time in a porn I saw it but really I was a young I was a copian a non-ancier no a bout because he had a he had a cassette he was going to talk to his room to talk to him and we on était restés deux copines devant le film et on a arrêté on était très mal à l 'aise mais j 'ai quand même vu ça mais nous on était si tu veux il y avait quand même on savait pas on savait pas ce qui nous attendait, on savait pas ce qu 'il fallait faire et ça avait aussi des énormes périls ça, mais maintenant il y en a un autre qui est que tu crois qu 'il faut faire ce que tu vois oui depuis un moment sur même la sexualité, je trouve que quand moi je repense My own adolescence, c 'est les années 90.

50:25Où vraiment, il fallait juste être bonne. Jusqu 'aux années que toi, tu as vécues. Après, il arrive MeToo et il arrive vraiment une jeunesse qui est différente. C 'est génial. Mais moi, je sais que quand j 'ai appris des choses sur la sexualité, par exemple, en premier, j 'ai appris qu 'il pouvait faire... Enfin, pas en premier, mais quand j 'ai appris des choses sur la sexualité orale, j 'ai appris qu 'il y avait des fellations. Je n 'ai jamais entendu parler du cunidangus parce que ça ne comptait pas. Ce qu 'il fallait, c 'était que le garçon on so is content. Ah bah ouais, mais ça, je te confirme qu 'année 90 aussi, c 'était beaucoup là-dessus.

50:55On s 'entraînait sur des bananes. Bien sûr. On mettait des capotes sur des concombres aussi. Ouais, voilà, parce qu 'on était dans l 'idée, mais on ne réfléchissait pas à ce qu 'on pouvait nous faire. Non, non, on ne réfléchissait pas à nous, notre propre plaisir et notre propre joie. Mais même, moi, je me souviens, et tu dois avoir aussi, forcément, j 'imagine, soit être passé par là, soit avoir des amis comme ça. Et moi, je me souviens même d 'une époque où, en couple, syndrome de l 'abandon, je n 'avais que la peur de me faire larguer, mais jamais je me posais la question de « est-ce que moi je suis heureuse là-dedans ?

51:23» C 'est juste la peur qu 'on nous quitte, juste la peur d 'être seule. De toute manière, apparemment, ça allait jusqu 'à ta génération. Les dîners, quand la conversation venait sur « est-ce que les femmes simulent ? » Encore une histoire d 'apparence. Les femmes disaient toutes qu 'elles avaient simulé. Tous les hommes à table disaient « avec moi, jamais une femme ne simule. » So, obviously, the men don't realize it. But it's not because they're a mess. At all. It's because we're a mess. And because we were so obsessed by the idea that it was that this kind of direction absolutely not to be a déranger.

52:02Or because we wanted to end up more quickly. Yes. Because it's another question. The show prend a turn. It's very mysterious. Because it was all that. And when I heard a girl who had maybe 30 years of less than me, one day, me say, when I'm ennui, I'll stop. I told myself, but the world is in marche. Because I had never been in the life. I was going to stop when I was ennui. Because I said, I was going to stop. I was going to stop. I was going to stop. Finally, I was going to stop. And then I told myself, we'll see. But that was not good. And then it's not like that I imagine the relationship with someone.

52:43It's not what I dream. And it's why that this romanticism, it's maybe a word today, but this grace is very urgent to find. And on revient à my age, it's that I don't have fear of talking. And so, obviously, I'm talking with all sorts of people. You said in arrivant, Sophie, I'm talking about l 'apparence que donc tu n 'avais eu aucun mal, enfin tu ne m 'as pas dit que tu n 'avais eu aucun mal, mais en tout cas tu n 'es pas maquillée pour les gens qui nous regardent, t 'es venue nature peinture, comme on dit. Si t 'avais pu, les jours, quand tu te lèves le matin, quand tu sors de chez toi, tu te maquilles ?

53:24Je me maquille tous les jours, mais d 'une façon presque, tu l 'as raconté d 'ailleurs, presque invisible. Je couvre un peu d 'étage, je mets un petit peu de nacre là, tu vois, je mets du blush, je... je... je mets du... It's a thing that makes the lips a little bit less fade, but at a time. Yes, I put a little bit of acrylic with a little bit of blue. I do not, but I do. But you do it. I love it. I do it. I do it. I do it. I love it. I love to make it on me. Because I've seen, it's a generation, I've seen women all the time do it. I love it. You don't see it. I love it. It's so nice. And then after it's sèche.

54:05And then sometimes you're going to rate it because of the way you do it. the ice cream, I don't know what. I'm very close to myself. But like you said that people trichaient and came to me. But then, because I have another wife who told me that you said that for me. I said, but not, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Because I'm a good girl. I have a couple of women who are also maquillant in assuming the fact of being maquillant. Others who say I'm not maquillant, but in fact, I'm a little. Yeah, I'm a good girl. But it's cool for the people who look at me, to see a moment, to tell me.

54:32I'm a good girl. Today, for those who look at me, I have really I had really too much and inflammation because I ate n 'importe what. So I had a little bit of a little bit of a little bit. But I would say that if I did it today, it's because I was at the pool. And at the pool, there was a woman who was going with me that I didn't know. And she was following me on Instagram. So at the pool, and she wrote something about me in a commentaire sous one of my posts this morning. A very long commentaire where she said she was going to see me at the pool and she saw me in photo this morning on my account.

55:04and where she said, she said, she was very natural, she was describing. And so I said, so, on the return of vulnerability, when we forget what we do to look like, well, we look at something, in fact. We look at something, maybe, finally, of something very true. And so I said, well, I'll go like that. That's fine, you're super beautiful. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't like compliments on the physique because of my mother, but I think it's pretty cool. Why you say that? Because I believe she was very much in that. And that sometimes I didn't believe it. And then I said that there's other things interesting to say.

55:43Because that makes a certain kind of pressure. When we start to get into phase, we're less beautiful, more beautiful, more beautiful. And in fact, the fact that it's really materialized, that way of thinking about it, that it's been based on the physical. Even when I started professionally, I thought it was too complicated. After I think that she was really very much valorized. that like that. She was really... She was obsessed with the physical. And by the norm also. I was really... When I was in the house, she told me, attention to not gross. I was like, I'm going to grossir. I'm in the house.

56:12It's a good advice. But you know, it's why when I wrote Cheher Hazard and the 602nd night, I was told, Cheher Hazard who is always a very beautiful woman, that's said in the book that she is very beautiful, I was just saying ne jamais, jamais la décrire physiquement. Je décris comment elle est coiffée. Je décris quelque chose, enfin, je décris quelque chose en elle qui est passé de l 'enfance à la femme. Mais je me suis dit, ce que je veux, c 'est qu 'elle soit dans une relation avec un homme et cet homme est obligé de regarder son âme. Il est obligé de regarder en premier son âme et de l 'écouter.

56:55Parce que je crois qu 'on veut toutes les filles, on veut être belles, toutes les filles, on veut être belles, But why are you being beautiful? Why are you so important? It's like that, it's so much valorized everywhere. And in the same time, the girls that I've known very well, that it's at school, in the profession, first they doubt, other than the girl who is not so beautiful. And then they are lost narcissistically. When we're not feeling beautiful, we're obligated to be aligned narcissistically. So in fact, finally, we're going to be better. But when we're beautiful, when all your life is saying that you're beautiful, that when you have a girl who sleep with you and you leave it, you say, what do I want?

57:35When you're beautiful and you start to lose your beauty, that you have your beautiful bouche pulpeuse and that all of a sudden it starts... And of course that the poor people call to change the aesthetic. There are much more beautiful girls who make a change the aesthetic than others because it's the other. It's the other people, it's the other people, it's the other people. But a day you tell me, when you're young, you say, I want to have a knee in trompette, I want to have a knee in trompette. and then with the time you look at your profile, you cultivate you look at a little, you see people, you say you're not symetrically and then you see the girl who plays in Amnet, she's not symetrically and you say, but in fact, it's very good and you learn, you cultivate and then you say but in fact, it's good I can be like I am as the girl, who is all regular all beautiful, she needs to preserve it and she needs to preserve it and if she is a comedy, and like it's our image first of beauty, she is completely coincée.

58:30After you're also coincée, because I'm not talking as a comedian, but as a woman, as a spectator, and also in the same time as a comedian. I think there's a real thing that you tell us, you're the impression, and maybe not necessarily that at least at the time, but there's still this kind of thing where you say, I don't want to do it, but if everyone does it, I'm going to be the last to have the air tapé. You see what I mean? The girls who are refaced, they turn, they're there, they're there, they're there. It's exactly why I wrote the book of the last woman in the last woman rid of the earth Admirat, the last woman rid of the earth What would happen if there was more than a woman rid of the earth So I imagined this story which is very funny but very a woman in Greece it's the last woman and she feels very seule but it's often it's often to feel the last woman rid of the earth because my colleagues in the mode when I'm in the first round.

59:24I see them. I don't know how they work on the shoulders. I don't know. I don't know. They're like this. There's a lot of pavés. It's like in the songs. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. They're not. In fact, they're not. It's not possible. And they're not... Evidently, on the photo. What's good is that I see in the videos, in all the films of the film, you see me, it's Charlie. You see, I'm there with my white hair. But in the middle of her, I had the feeling of being more tassée.

1:00:05That's an impression that I have. And with the time, I ended up understanding that it was a chance. Because I'm more free. You talk about liberty, but my head is not polluted by all that. I'm like I'm a woman. It's a great conclusion, but I have to go back to it. It could be a wonderful conclusion. I have to tell you, you have a routine beauty to share. Because you have a very beautiful skin. But you say I'm a very beautiful skin. I think the routine beauty is to to get hydrated the most possible. And at my age, when we say to get hydrated, it's to get hydrated. It's to get hydrated all the time.

1:00:48You can put the cream in permanent. It's all about to get the cream in permanence. And of the cream? It's all about to get the cream. But sometimes we don't put it on the top because it's beautiful days. We say, I'll go all the way. But I've done it all. I've done it. I've done it. I've done it on the hands. On the hands. And then after, I've done it. Then after, I've done it on the hands of Jean Cocteau. because after the veins they see on the hands because the skin is more fine it's not more than 20 years but the hands of Jean Cocteau are fine so I'm thinking it's not a problem now I have the hands of Jean Cocteau I think it's important to get this idea of lisse nothing is worse than lisse people say I have the Sophie Fontanel they say maybe I have the hands of Sophie Fontanel maybe I don't know in any case, when I see in the street, it's funny to serve as a model, because I'm a little model now, and it's funny to serve as a model, so that I did, at the bottom, it's just to say, if it's true, it's okay, in fact.

1:02:06When I was young, I said I had a little bit of And then with the time, I said, it's not bad. It's a little less fast. And then, I don't know. In fact, I was able to get to it all.

1:02:24When I was young, I said, it's not that you're not going to be a rire. Because you know, it's a castrateur. I'm not going to be a rire. I'm not going to be a rire. I'm a very much amused. But I said, no, no, no, no. A woman, it's not going to be a rire. I often think of a film I don't know how it's called a girl He doesn't say that he is gay And so he doesn't say that I think, by the way, I don't say that he is gay With a girl Because it's a situation like that And then at a moment, she's tromp on a song Barbara Streisand And he explodes He says, it's not that Barbara Streisand She's trying immediately All her gayness and then I tried to when I was still with some dates with some classic men like that I tried to say it's very good what you say I tried to make a little and then at a moment I couldn't even I was going to and I was going to I was going to I was going to I was going to and then it's not it's your it's your joy but it's also that you have joy in you it's why I have the impression that there is something that at the time hyper militant but at the time de très ancré ou aligné avec qui t 'es réellement ?

1:03:38C 'est -à-dire que c 'est que des choix aussi de vie qui te rendent heureuse ? En fait, il n 'y a pas de façon d 'être militante. J 'ai des copines qui sont des vraies militantes. Je pense à Lorraine Bastide, vraiment des féministes militantes. Moi, je l 'ai... Ce n 'est pas ma manière, mais en revanche, je l 'incarne. C 'est ça, ce n 'est pas théorique, c 'est juste toi. Mais je pense que c 'est pour ça aussi que les gens s 'identifiant en toi ont envie aussi d 'explorer quelque chose comme ça. it's that they see someone live live that and incarnate that maybe on can say for finishing that when you're on a river in Greece you can you can't wait to see you but when you're on a river in Greece that everyone is there the young people even 15 years of 15 years have a piece and that you arrive you take your that you're on a new because you're just going to bed there you plonges and then you go and all the girls look at all all the adults and all the girls they look at it and it does it it does it because they see that it's not a good time to get rid of the head and for the world which they are reserved in a world where we can't even put it in a maillot of two pieces maybe it does it it does it it does it to see that there are people who have this freedom thank you Sophie Ton livre vient de sortir.

1:04:59On va mettre la petite image là ou là ou à côté de Sophie où vous voulez. Je te remercie infiniment d 'être venue. Et moi, je suis très contente d 'avoir fait ta connaissance. Merci.

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