Waxx, il est super ce mec !

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1:14it's Nora Mzaoui and you're listening to En Apparence. The guest that I receive today is musician, producer, guitarist. When we discover the number of artists with whom he has worked, we say that in addition to being talented, he has to be ultra-ympathetic. In fact, it's what he does, a little bit of a crunch, cool, hors of the time, hors of the mode, hors of the code. If we could imagine it like a hero of a film, we could imagine either Rocker Star, Home Ideal in a romantic comedy, or The Dude in The Big Lebowski. I hope you don't take a lot of it. I'm very happy to receive Wax. Hello. Hello, Nora.

1:43Is it you know The Big Lebowski ? I'm a fan of this film, like all the men mediocre. No, and the women, like all the people of the years. I don't know. Franchement, it's just the fable of the mediocrity. and it's that we love it. It's so funny. It's so funny. But I don't know if it's been a good one. I don't know if it's been a good one. I think you've seen it for a year. I'm sure you've got 20, 30 years. It's working. Is it still working? It's true that it's been a long time that I haven't seen it. But when I think about Big Lebowski, I think about the scene where they have an espèce of jar with the cendres of their friends.

2:24And it's going to happen very bad. at this moment-là. I think it's the moment where he has his clope who falls on him and he's forced to get to alcohol and he's making an accident in the car. It's this kind of loose which, at the time, I'm apaises. You know, sometimes, on put pressure on our lives and when we watch a film like that, we say, yeah, but we can't live in being mid. In being cool. Yeah, cool. But after, I looked at it because when I wrote my intro, I was thinking, but wait, is it you're saying to say... I wanted to see that I didn't say something like that with the intro. And then I said, but what is really the style of The Big Lebowski, the dude, the dude in French?

3:03And they said, it's really cool without effort. So in fact, I just tapé. Oui, carrément. The peignoir, t-shirt blanc, a little troué. Mais tu n 'as pas le côté sale et du coup, alcoolo ? Pas là, mais chez moi, je ne sais pas. C 'est plutôt à ma femme qui est déjà venue ici, je crois, de juger de ça. I'm pretty proper. The badness me repugnait a little bit. But I'm not a... I'm not a mega-maniac. I'm a basic. I know she's not a problem, because I think I said it was in the podcast if we were left off or not. I said, but sometimes, the poils, it's not a poils. I'm a thing with the poils. And really, she had an air not to be so dérangered.

3:53I hope, but I think she loves it, the hair, for the coup Penelope. I think it's something she loves. It's true? Yeah. I would say in general, what? Yeah, I think really she has something with the hair. Okay. But you, she's well-tied, your hair. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You're doing it? I'm sorry. I'm sorry to go to my congénieurs from the Middle East, which at every time they make things where you have the impression of sortir from Aladdin at the end. So I'm sorry. I love it. It's a great feeling. Why? Because you made a little bit of dessinable. It's the perfect line with the hair more fine. You know, nothing is mine.

4:33I did one time. We were in a marriage with Penelope. And we were out of the church. And between the church and the wine of honor, there was a barber. It was in the North of France. And then I was in there. I told them, I told them, just, in fact, I was realized that I was in a marriage, that it was a a little bit of a fool. They made me a thing. Frérot, I was like, I'm a algerino in the way. So it was really not at all what I wanted. And it was not at all I wanted. And in fact, it made a little bit of a a lot of people. And it was gay. It was cool. But when I read photos of this marriage, I said that it's not a way.

5:10If you have a photo where you can illustrate a book, what? No, no, no, no. They made a sense that I I had very, very, very few barbe. And I would say that she was drawn. I would say that they were rasing and that they were drawn to a piece of paper. It's too bizarre. And then they put a kind of cream so that it's not going to shine. I don't know. I love it. But you, you have a barbe depuis quel age? I think I have a barbe since I was, I don't know, 20 years. I didn't know I was 17 years old. But I was passing by all the styles. I had a book at the moment. I had a moment where I was told I was going to leave the mustache but it was not as much not as much Is that you have a mustache like that?

5:57No, no, no It's really, is it we can tell you I really want to be open and not judge on the physique and on the appearance it's for that also that I do this podcast but the people who make the mustache like that I feel like they want to I know they don't want to because I'm not the world du monde, malheureusement. Mais vraiment, dans nos interactions, j 'ai du mal à... J 'ai eu un masseur. Alors déjà, je suis allée me faire masser, et on m 'a dit, est-ce que ça vous dérange que je sois un homme ? Et donc j 'ai dit, bon, un peu, mais j 'ai pas eu le choix, donc j 'ai eu un homme. Donc du coup, je me suis dit, tu peux avoir un masseur homme, en fait, il va pas commencer à avoir une érection, je sais pas ce qu 'il te touche, ni...

6:38Pourquoi je raconte pas, j 'en sens que j 'en ai un accès à mon cerveau malade ? Mais, bref. Et donc le mec est arrivé, et non seulement il massait mal, he didn't mess it, it was like a hand he didn't mess it, he didn't mess it, he didn't mess it in front of me it was not too strong, and in plus it was super lourd because I had the impression that he pretended that he had a good point, you know and I said, no, really, you can go and he didn't go. So, it's not a digression massage, but you don't sleep during the massage? Well, I'm sleeping all the time during the massage. But, like, you're sleeping at the end?

7:07And you're saying, well, I'm paying for you. The massage or the massage me wake up in saying, Monsieur, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, to go. But you have to take part of how much time? I don't know, but I love it. But if you have to sleep at seven minutes, it's terrible. In fact, no, because your body remembers. I think your body is tight. You say, well, they have a lot of meat, a bit like if it was a beef of Kobe or I don't know. You know, we were massing. It's not a good thing to do. It's not obligatory to be... I'm going to let it go. a little... Yeah. You see? It's cool. I love it.

7:45It's not a bike after in Paris. No, of course, I can't do bike in Paris. In all of a sudden. Yes. You told me... Yes, but not on the knees. Not on the knees. Not on the knees. Not on the knees. I'm not a bike. Yes, you're a bike. You put a bike? On at all? Yes. No. Why I don't put a bike? I can explain it. Because you have too shoes? No, not at all. It's not at all. I bought the bike. I bought the bike. I think the market is the most expensive. So really I thought that it was really a good thing because it's because it's because when we wrote this podcast, it's been a year that I have my bike.

8:17Okay. I've been cutting my bike in front of my bike when I was little. And I'm getting... You're getting the legs? No. Okay. You see, they're cassé. They're cassé since I'm in 5th. I'm not going to have a net of view today. I'm getting the legs cassé. Okay, I didn't see that you had the legs cassé. Yeah, I'm getting the legs cassé since I'm in 5th. Okay. Because there's a guy who's going to be in 5th. Horrible. So I was going to go over his car. I was going to go over his car. Oh, no. It was really a bad moment. And then after, I was not going to go on a bike. Until last year. In fact, if, during the summer, I was going to go on a bike once.

8:54And I said, it's great. And so after, everyone told me that, frankly, the bike, it changes everything in Paris. It's more simple. And so I was going to go. And so I was going to take a super mask. And in fact, I don't know if it's the compression of the case. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that. I don't know that. Because it's... It's... It's... It's... But it takes me attention, you know? I feel like I'm compressed, like, what's going on? You know, it's stress, in fact. And when I take it, right away, I have the impression of seeing my angles morts, that everything is more simple. I don't know how to explain it.

9:28You're like in an aquarium. You're like... There's a kind of thing that I don't know. But maybe it's possible to find another mask. I've tried other casques, especially in location, and it doesn't work. It's a very bad thing, the bike. Yeah, I understand. You're very bad. You're very bad. Yeah, but after... Wait, it's... It's a mess. The messer. And at a moment, he asks me what I prefer. What is always a... And I say what I prefer, it's when I'm on the back, but I'm on the back. Genre sépare. Ah oui, ça c 'est super. Ça c 'est vraiment divin quoi. Ouais, c 'est génial. Et non seulement il ne savait pas le faire, et en plus j 'avais sa grosse gueule au-dessus de moi avec sa moustache comme ça.

10:16On en revient. Et je me suis dit, j 'ai l 'impression que c 'est hyper agaçant. En fait, le fait de l 'imaginer le matin, prendre son truc, parce qu 'en plus j 'imagine qu 'il faut que ce soit symétrique. Oui. Tu vois, tu ne peux pas en avoir une un peu comme ça. En fait, c 'est quoi ce truc-là ? C 'est quoi en fait l 'impression ? I don't know what it is. You're not Dali, what? Pardon, I don't know. But even Dali... In fact, it's very olfactif, physically, when I look at people. And I have an odor, you know. You mean you have an odor when you see someone? You feel an odor when you see someone?

10:50You have an odor very developed? No. It's in my head. I'm planting 90 % of the time. But what I know, is that, you know, for example, sometimes, Sometimes I eat a little bit, a churros, for example, and I'm leaving the lips. Yeah. And the smell of the saliva me is going to. Ah, yeah. If you're super sensitive to that. It's ignoble. And so, when I see a guy with this mustache-like, he's feeling the saliva. For me. Because he doesn't have his little skin. He does the same with his saliva. The saliva, the mieux. Yes, the mieux. But it's terrible for me. When I see that, I think... Oh, the odor! I think that...

11:36He's going to be a beautiful... It's a beautiful... But especially, he's going to be a cat. I don't know why it's a cat. I'm sorry if there's people who listen to us and who have this style. But I think... One time I worked on a film, I played in a film, there was someone from the team, a guy from the sound, who had this, and who had, I think, a vintaine. And I said, he's looking, he's looking, he's looking. and then by a year he had a little bit of a you felt like he was not sure I think he was going to he was going to gross con I was going to I was going to I was going to but I think I think it's a bad idea yeah I'm I'm sure it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not the book I'm against except George Michael George Michael he can do everything okay I don't know I don't know if he can do everything well he can't do everything but he's not he's not he's not But...

12:32Yeah, I don't know. The book... It's a discussion that I had with Penelope. But in fact, we haven't got the same definition of a book. For her, a book, it's a mustache with what's in the bottom. For me, a book, it's just what's in the bottom. Ah, no. For who does that, what? The most of the metalheads of the 90s... They don't that. They don't that. For example, Shino Moreno of Deftones, he's always that. I can see that. I can see that. Of course. But they were not the only one at the time. They were all the same. But he has some points in the middle. It's not like... No, now he has a. But at the time, he was rasing everywhere.

13:09He had that. He had Rob Flynn of Machine Head also. I think that at a moment, Max Cavalera was also... It's better... It's better on the image, on what I see here, than what I imagined when you said it. I imagined really a little bit of a touch. Ah, no. No, no, no. It's a blue, but you see, it's... It's a blue, but that's the bottom. I'm going to go there. Oh, really? Oh, there, by the way, it's atrocious. You see, there, it's that I imagined. What? It's absolutely necessary to show you. There, it's not possible. Voilà. Yes, yes, but it's that. I don't know if we see it. It exists, yeah. I don't know what I'm doing.

13:43I don't know what I'm doing. But after, for me, it's Shinomoreno. I love it, what he does. There, it's really a epilé. There, it's an epilation of a maillot, for me. I feel like I'm not going to be a friend on all these theories. No, no, but after, you know, but in all case, I was passing by the book at a moment and I don't know, it was an era, you know, it was a time, you know, it's what I'm saying. Yeah. When you see the photos, you're like, yeah, it was cool. After, frankly, I had quite a little bit of a pilosity at the moment where I was doing that. I was an adult. You have a beautiful beard.

14:23It's a nice beard. I'm a beautiful beard. Because you know, I'm going to get my beard with the fact that... But in fact, you can have a lot of hair. Because he has a thing, he has a kind of... It's not a theory, but it's like... When I cut it, I feel like my face becomes smaller. That's what I understand. But I'm not supposed to have a jawline. I'm not supposed to have a pair of nobles. Yeah, I'm very good. And then, it's not a long. No, no. But it's not long, you know. It's like it's like. It's regular. after it was Pénélope who told me that it was really your I talk a lot about her definitely but it's a thing to do with which I didn't make a gaffe but she told me that it was really your décolleté to you it's super funny and I said yeah you're right it's true it's true that if we all took a lot of things it's true that maybe if we all took a lot of the bar there were a lot we would not see maybe it's not a bit maybe it's a little bit and it's a cache of things I made this dream a day that I had a beard.

15:21And I found it so good. And I was thinking, there's no idea. I was thinking about the ovals, the old age, all that. I was thinking, but it's great. You can draw what you want. Yeah. It's sure. Yeah. The old age, it's another thing. Yeah. And then, we'll maybe get there at a moment, but it's true that it's what Hollywood has done to men who pass a certain age contrairement to women. Hollywood and... Yeah. Hollywood et certainement d 'autres corporations. Mais ce que je veux dire par là, c 'est qu 'effectivement, on a tendance à dire que les hommes s 'embellissent, alors que c 'est vraiment une invention.

16:01Moi, je ne suis pas... Non, mais tu sais qu 'il y a cette théorie dont j 'ai déjà parlé dans ce podcast du vieillissement en oiseau ou en grenouille. Et donc, visiblement, les femmes vieilliraient en oiseau. Donc, ça va vers l 'avant. Là où les hommes en grenouille, ça s 'élargit. and it's true that if you love the oiseaux you can say I prefer to live in an oiseau but I prefer to enlarge like a capot of more and more than to to be to be to be but you you don't have a problem also with you you don't have a problem but what I want to say you have even a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a Oui, oui.

16:41Ah, ok. Oui, je t 'ai déjà entendu dire que c 'est très beau une femme qui vieillit. Ah non, oui, mais ça, c 'est autre chose. Moi, c 'est plus qu 'un kink, j 'ai une passion pour les femmes âgées. Mais ça, c 'est dingue. Oui, mais depuis toujours, depuis que je suis petit. Genre, c 'est depuis la mère de Steve Fleur dans American Pie ? Avant, bien avant. Bien avant. Mais quand tu dis âgée, j 'imagine Madame Antonia Dime, vieille voisine de 96 ans à l 'époque avec un caniche. C 'est pas âgée. I think the first... It's a pity. It's a pity. It's a pity to say that. But the first woman for whom I had a crush, it was a great aunt to me.

17:20I don't know. At the time, I had 6, 5, and she had 55. Ah, yeah. I didn't crush on Alyssa Milano. Ah, yeah. No. I was rather the grandmother. Mona. Mona. But who was sexy, Mona. Yeah, but Mona, it's completely my range. Ah, really? Well, after, I grew up and I prefer to be with women who are a little older than me, always. But why? How do you explain it? I don't know. It's physical, it's the experience, the maturity, that it's a game, the intelligence. Yeah, I don't know. It's certainly... Because it goes in all the senses, whether it's physical or the life of life. After, I think there are people who have lived more in having lived less time.

18:16But, in any case, when I see... I, of all, what I'm talking about, is the intelligence. There are plenty of things that matter, obviously. It's weird to say that. but it's true that the women age me m 'attirent much more but all the time and I would have to do the wrong to theorize I think I could try to do it and I would have to do it because in two years I would say yes but in fact it's not that reason it's not that reason I'm not I'm not a theorize but if for example what I'm trying to understand is if it's aesthetic and an appearance it's more the fact that when you're older you have certain more plus une confiance, une intelligence, une assise, un truc, et que du coup, tu dégages quelque chose de plus...

19:02Je suis un romantique, mais je trouve que ça va te perdre. Je trouve que, tu vois,

19:10une personne, on ne va pas genrer le truc, qui a vécu des belles et des choses plus dures, ça se transmet aussi physiquement, ça a une apparence, tu vois, et ça a une aura. Et ce truc-là, me charme. Même Leonardo DiCaprio ? Alors, non. Leonardo DiCaprio, ce n 'est pas mon type de mec. J 'ai un type de mec, mais ce n 'est pas lui. C 'est quoi ton type de mec ? Il y a vraiment un mec qui m 'a rendu fou. Vraiment, où je disais genre qu 'est-ce qu 'il est beau, c 'est incroyable. Il n 'est pas connu du grand public et il est mort d 'un cancer. Donc, du coup, il s 'est figé dans le temps and unfortunately for me today, he is too young, but at the time, he was maybe a little bit older than me.

20:01It's a skater called Dylan Ryder. I can see you? Of course. I'll show you a photo where I find really... Because it's... There are times where the disease has done that. But... But there are photos of him where I find really sublime. And there are plenty. But you see, I really find it very beautiful. I don't know why, but it's more in video. In fact, he touched his grace, his way to avoid the skate, his philosophy. I don't know, I found it super. He's very beautiful. He's completely my type. I was very happy when he died. Not because he was beautiful, but because I found it the kind of guy who...

20:45I don't know, he had a good homie and a philosophy to which I was adhiring. And so, you're at quel age? When I watched Dylan Ryder, I don't know, I was going to have a a 30-day, something like that. And for me, he had a 30-day pass. I don't know, he had a thing. But after, it was not an attirance where I would say I would like to be in a couple with him. It's just physically, I find it too beautiful. Yes, like we, we are capable of saying, it's pretty rare to hear a man say my style and all, while we, we are completely capable of saying I find it too beautiful. But I have a style of man, of course.

21:21I have styles of mecs, because there are mecs that I find fascinating, although they have not a beauty that I'm especially attracted to. And when you were ado, you wanted to look at who? Not to him, because he was after. Ado, you were how? Ah, ado. In fact, it's funny, because I was passé de... In fact, on had assez few sous when I was little. And in fact, it was the family who I had a little bit of fringues. And for example, Val-de-Marne, I thought it was a brand of fringues. I had a fringues Val-de-Marne. What's Val-de-Marne? It's a department. Ah, yes, the Val-de-Marne. Yes, the Val-de-Marne.

22:00And I don't know, in fact, they had to do a tournoi of things where they had flocked Val-de-Marne on a lot of things. And so, I was going to be a sapé in Val-de-Marne. And so, really, zero style. And I was going to pass it to the rock. And I was going to pass it by there. and Kurt Cobain and I was like what I want to live like that and from my 13 years to now I have not changed I was passing by the baggy by the things but I was passing by the dreads also yeah my dad also but for the coup really there were two schools it was really at the time where I was listening to the rage to see Rage Against the Machine at Fonce and Pultura Machine Head, j 'étais vraiment là-dedans.

22:48Et jusqu 'au moment où j 'ai vu des congénères, c 'est -à-dire des Blancs comme moi, avoir des dreads et me faire Yémane. Et j 'ai fait, ah mais pas, alors là, moi, pas du tout. Je vais pas vous suivre là-dedans, quoi. Et donc, c 'est ça qui a fait que je les ai coupés, c 'est que il y a eu trop un quiproquo, tu vois. Pour moi, rétrospectivement, eux, ils faisaient vraiment presque de l 'appropriation culturelle. moi j 'avais ça avec un bonnet j 'écoutais Deftones pour moi c 'était punk, tu vois ce que je veux dire Travis Barker, le batteur de Blink 182 il avait des dreads tu vois, il était punk il était à Toche Partout, c 'était pas du tout le même rapport, mais c 'est un peu comme les Clash, tu vois, où on dit qu 'ils ont fait partie des parents du Ska or en fait ils faisaient du punk et les gens qui faisaient du Ska, ils faisaient pas du tout Enfin, il y a eu des moments comme ça où il y a deux styles qui se sont un peu rencontrés.

23:49Ils étaient assez cousins, finalement, physiquement. Mais en fait, les valeurs n 'étaient pas du tout les mêmes. C 'était pas du tout la même chose. Comment s 'appelaient ces pompes, là ? Des Creepers ? Les espèces de Doc Martins avec les... Ouais, c 'était pas des Creepers. Les Creepers, ça ne me dit rien. Non ? Moi, j 'étais vraiment pompe de skate. Tu sais, genre, je ne sais plus il y avait quoi, il y avait Volcom, all these brands. And you were interested in, you wanted to be stylized? You looked at it, it was a preparation morning, the stuff? No, it wasn't a preparation morning. It was rather, yeah, but the thing is, it was really easy.

24:29I was Rock Sound or magazines like that, I was too stylized, and in fact, I was DIY. I took a scissors, I took my shirt like that, I put a chemise to my pair in-dessous, and I put the shirt par-dessus. Et donc, ça faisait comme si j 'étais décontracté alors que non, je mettais... Mon père était plus petit que moi, mais avait des coupes de jeans beaucoup plus amples. Oui. Parce que c 'est l 'époque qui voulait ça, tu vois. Et donc, du coup, je me faisais des baguilles avec les jeans de mon père qui étaient... Trop bien. Oui, tu vois. Je me débrouillais. Et t 'étais stylé, les gens te trouvaient stylé au collège et tout ?

25:06Écoute, j 'en ai plutôt un bon souvenir parce que, oui, je pense... Enfin, after I can't really talk to their place but say that I was part of a group of people a little popular from my college-lycée in fact the thing is that I integrated a group of metal when I was in the fifth and all of them were in the first and they were all mega stylized and you know it was really like you were the most young group but I was the mascote I was the little guy and so I was always been the most young in everything it's very recently that I was realized that I was the most old I continued to do music and since I have 12 years I have done it, so it's 30 years now, and I was the first part of my adventure musicale, always the most young.

25:47And it's been a few years now that I'm the most old, you know. When I do music with Pomme, with Safia Dolan, all of that, I put 15 years in the mouth to all. So you know, the rapport is not at all the same. I liked being a little bit, you know, and entourated of people older who, I don't know, who brought up I had a lot of things, that was in philosophy, in the thoughts, you see, I had to gain time in fact. And I also learned to play well music. And it's a culture and an interest that you develop all the same, the music, at 12-13 years? Yeah, I'm in a family where the music is important. You see, my father had always a guitar in the salon.

26:28In any case, there's no music, a chanson in my family. There's only international music, because they're immigrants from the Turkish, so it's fans of America, of Neil Young, of Bob Dylan, of Johnny Cash. And so I grew up with this music, with the Beatles, etc. And especially Hendrix, and Hendrix is what I'm interested in the Red Hot Chili Peppers a little bit later, etc. In fact, there's a real filiation, you know. And it was easy to cut the cord on what they were doing to listen to. I had a super Trump, Toto, all that, it's done. Now I'm going to be in Death Tones, in what these people, who were in the first and in the fifth, have brought up on a plateau.

27:13I had access to things where... I would have access to that with MTV, but I didn't have all that at the time. So, they really, they brought me up, and especially vestimentairement. So, it's in confidence. So, you're in confidence, because we give you confidence. So, you know, it's a little like at basketball. When you play with a super player, you play well, you know. When you play with a music with a good musician, you play well. When you're with people who are sure of them, who know well, you know well, you're a bit sure of yourself without being arrogant. And so, you know, I've had a very young women.

27:51But who, you know, were in the first? No. Because I'm saying, it's probably going to be there. No, no, no. I was more attracted by the women who were in the first than by the women of my age. concrètement. Mais non, du coup, je ne passais pas le step. J 'étais quand même un garçon assez timide. Donc non, je sortais plutôt avec des meufs de mon âge, des fois un an de plus. Et voilà. Et donc, le fait d 'avoir eu des meufs très jeunes, c 'est vraiment les meufs qui m 'ont construit, tu vois, dans toute ma vie, d 'ailleurs. Ça m 'a permis d 'avoir pareil, des tips rapides de... Ça, c 'est une connerie.

28:29because that is a general of viatility. And I owe it a lot to all these women that have mature... ... Hello,

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29:17À quel âge tu te fais ton premier tatouage? Je pense que j 'ai 18 ou 19 ans, un truc comme ça. and in fact the most of my friends who were at the time who were already in the first place they were already in the job they were tattooed but I don't like the aeguilles so I went in the mode I'm going to do a tattoo and if I don't like and in fact I think exactly like a picture the guy said it's done and you know I was really I grinning I was just I was just And I said, already? You know, I had a lot more fear than the pain. Yeah. And at the end, I had a vision. I wanted absolutely that my body tells something.

30:07With a beginning, a end. And so, I got into this adventure of tattoo. And in fact, my tattoo, I know at which age I've done. I'm a little bit. And so, it's a bit like a fresco. It's very personal. Yeah, but without fault. I feel like you said, you know, when you say... I feel like you said you've understood very quickly who you were. After, obviously, you've evolved all, but you've had a good taste of what you do already. There's something where you've never met an identity, where you didn't find it. Very quickly, you've assumed what you wanted to do. There's a sort of coherence, no? I don't know, I imagine...

30:40In fact, I've had a kind of drama in my life, quite quick. and it's not to talk about this thing specifically but it's true that explains plenty of things it's that I was coming from Paris 10th it was pretty violent we were fighting all the time as I said I was wearing a Val-de-Marne and I had nothing to do, nothing to do ni of my physique, ni of what else to do and I arrived in a very bourgeoisie in 1992 and I don't know with a person, I'm going to bat with everyone, I was really a guy. And I meet a very sweet guy, pretty feminine, who had already books of ears, and he tells me I don't understand your violence.

31:32He talks with the words, the words that I need to be able to shift. And we become really very very close. and he is proche to a point that you know, it's the famous best friend, you know, and well, I don't know about his details, but he's made savage assassin, and so I'm very young, and he is a fan of metal, fan of rock, I don't listen to rap at the time, I don't understand what it's that the rock really, and he tells me stories on the music all the time, saying, you know, you're an artist, he's feminist, he's talking about Kurt Cobain, you know, I'm not sure what it's that, with all that, ni the feminist, ni what else.

32:14He said, yeah, what he wants, it's the equality of women, etc. And you know, it was a little bit on top of it. And from the moment when he was born, all that he said for me was the word of the evangelism. And of a sudden, I started to say, you know what, you know what, you've got to get your life, I'm going to live for two. And so, we wanted all the two to do rock more than that. We wanted all the two to do to do music, to vibrate, to share things with other artists. There were a lot of things that we were telling about the couette in saying that we wanted to do all that. And in fact, everything is coming from there.

32:57So in fact, you take all the life a little bit from there. It's that what think the others of me, I don't have anything to put on. It's not true. There are times that it touches, but I'm not sure I mean, the lightest of the childhood of the childhood, the catastrophism of things very, very superficially is also. I have no idea. And so I think it's important to know that when we plie the parchment of my adolescence and of my life. It's that from the moment where it's been done, and it's true that we talked about with Penelope, it's true that I was quite esquinted by many other pertes. I would say that I didn't have any chance at this level.

33:43I have many friends who are young, even very recently. And at every time, it makes me feel like the life is beautiful. The essential is very clear for you, obviously. But it's something that I put on my own. I think that when you've met a lot of drames and young, it's a... It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. And at the end, it's a lot of work that I always remember. I'm telling you, wait, don't you have a drame to tell you what's important and what's not important? It's really... It's hard, it's very theoretical. There's no practice, unfortunately, which, at the time, reminds me of the thing.

34:25Yeah, yeah. But to be able to get the idea of things where you say, I know very well that if something really important happened, this thing would have no importance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, for example, it was a honte for my friends when I told them, I said, I love the older women. There were a lot of things that would have been a honte, but in fact, I didn't have a lot to put. You know, I was like, it's like that and then it's a bit of a shit look at there's a sun on the top no one knows where he comes from how he comes from no one's not a head and you have still your parents yeah I have still my parents and your mother has that connection with her because you talk about the women I have a very I have been there were there were there were there were it's very apaisous now we have done a therapy together yeah I wanted to do a therapy with my mother Ma mère, je pense que en fait, je pense que j 'ai été son soleil.

35:31Tu vois, en fait, il y a eu il y a eu une année clé pour moi où il y a eu une trilogie assez drôle. C 'est que ma mère était très protectrice de moi. Tu vois, j 'étais vraiment son bijou. Et il y a eu une année où il y a trois mensonges qui se sont... Tu vois, ma mère, par exemple, elle supportait pas que je fasse faire face à la cruauté du monde. Elle essaie toujours de lisser tout ça. C 'est un combat que tout parent essaie de mener. Chacun fait comme il peut. Mais moi, elle inventait des trucs carrément. Pas la big fish, mais par exemple, c 'est une insulte, mais quand on était plus jeunes, on est de la même génération, beaucoup de gens disaient TPD, le mot PD.

36:18Je me rappelle qu 'une fois, j 'étais à table et je dis à ma mère, what's PD ? And I see that she is super emmerdée by the question. She says, is it someone l 'a insulté de ça ? And so she invented an story. She said, you know, at the time, the people in the street gave me rendezvous, especially at Paris, you know. And so, in fact, it's an abbreviation. PD, it means for dimanche. Genre, on se voit dimanche. And so, for dimanche. And so, yeah, they said, yeah, so they were saying yeah for dimanche so PD so I was like yeah d 'accord they said yeah it's a rendezvous that we can give you and she invented things like that I put years to understand that it was faux but you know there's a kind of trilogies there's a year where really I supported that Père Noël exist I was young I was young I was young but she continued to tell me that it existed she said that I was the most beautiful she thought she thought she thought she thought and she said that in my entourage, no one would die.

37:22And really, in the same year, I lost my grandmother. The Père Noël is not coming. The Père Noël, everyone was going to get rid of my mouth because I persisted in saying yes, yes, yes, I swear, it exists. And there was this famous thing in the class, the people, the people, they write the classment of the most jolies or the most moches and I was before the last. And so, really, I was coming to my grandmother en disant coup sur coup, Mamie est morte, Père Noël n 'existe pas et en plus je suis moche. Mais pour Dimanche, tu n 'as pas eu encore la... Non, pour Dimanche, à l 'époque, ça passait encore.

37:57Pour Dimanche, c 'était cool. Et elle m 'a vraiment dit mais non, mais Mamie, elle est au ciel, tu vois, elle nous attend. Père Noël, bon, bah écoute, Père Noël, de toute façon, qu 'il existe ou pas, enfin voilà. Et puis non, et puis t 'es pas moche du tout. Enfin, tu vois, vraiment, enfin, she tried to get a little bit of that. So I thought there was something that was funny. In fact, she tried to really to get rid of my little brother from the evilness and the cruelty of the world. It's always a thing that is complicated to do. And so I think I didn't want that. But let's say that... But maybe not your children.

38:36I don't know. I tell you often that having a big fear of the issues taboo with the death, the loss of my father, all that. When I read the first one, my son is often the mechans is dying. Or not all the time the mechans, but it's stories of stories and all. And at every time I stopped before. So I said, he has disappeared. And it's my son who told me, but it's hyper anxiogène. They have a moral, they have a reason to exist. The bad, the good. And in fact, it's hard at the start of even putting the words on... And in fact, you're aware that And it was a challenge for me to create an imagination with everything that is a game, but in fact, it's a real thing to do.

39:26Yeah. Yes. But not necessarily the world or the world, but just the nature of the life, which is that people part, there are some injustices. d 'ailleurs je tiens à rectifier un truc parce que tout à l 'heure je te disais je m 'en fous maintenant parce que mais je m 'en fous sur les trucs qui sont un peu futiles mais par contre je suis extrêmement anxieux par rapport au monde dans lequel on vit par exemple, soit politiquement et tout enfin voilà, je sais pas c 'est pas le sujet du podcast ici mais ce que je veux dire par là c 'est qu 'au contraire ça je le prends très très au sérieux c 'est pas la vie me roule dessus et je suis détente je suis hyper anxieux par rapport à plein de choses And yes, for the coup...

40:08And so, it's true that it's a part of the things that have been strident with my mother. It's that she, for the coup, you know... The politics is super important for me. What's happening in the world, the events of the summer, all this which can be... The life around us, in fact, she continues to be a little bit at the end. It's not so simple. You know, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, and in fact, this therapy has allowed me to say that it was her grammar. And that I can't... It's not that I force something which is not...

40:53I don't know how to say it, but it's not that she's saying it. It's not that I force it. Yeah, and that it's like how he is. And it's been how long this therapy? We did a year and a half. And it was super. It was really under my impulse. My mother wanted to do a little bit of therapy. I advise you. I'm not going to go. I'm not going to go to make a podcast where I don't support me to see. So I can't wait. You think? I'm going to go back to the day, to be a foal and to get things out of the window. But I... And then in plus, in fact, really non la puissance de la thérapie, je trouve, avec quelqu 'un je ne veux pas du tout te persuader que c 'est une bonne idée chacun fait ce qu 'il veut mais c 'est le fait que ça soit arbitré ça, ça change tout c 'est que ce n 'est pas une discussion où des fois tu te dis, il faut que j 'ai the talk avec quelqu 'un et ça va être épuisant, tu vois là, ce n 'est pas du tout épuisant, parce qu 'en fait tu es face à quelqu 'un qui sait son métier dit, madame what you feel, we listen to A to Z.

42:02No one will at a moment, block the thing in saying, wait, because I have something to say about that. We wait for it to finish. We take notes. After, it's to me to say what I feel. And in fact, there's a real listen. And so it's not a fatigue. In the contrary, it's a liberating. I think it's extraordinary. I'm already in therapy for I think for 28 years, I think, 25 years. so I'm going to pass my turn for the therapy with my mother it's right, it's the word it's the therapy I'm not ready you're right, it's the energy of the to do it but it's super good that you've wanted that because it means that you're in a a path of peace yes, yes, yes you know how everything will end and I want to that it's that it is that it is that it is that it is and when you talk I look at my mother who listens and I said you have a very good implantation of hair you have not had any problem of losing hair it is nice because the men here talk about that it is their thing the women talk about our skin and the men it is the hair with the time I am going to pass I am going to pass especially the color for starting.

43:25You've done the colors? No. I did a tie and dye when I was a trentaine, because I wanted to have a tie and dye. But no, it's rather the of having the white, you know, the white, white, white, I don't know. But it was hard. Ah, really? At the beginning, yeah, because I was thinking, as I said, I've always been the most young in everything. you know every time that I work with people I was the most young I was 10 years in the same with with a super person who's called Mathieu Joly who is also who is also and who is who is in peace and and yeah and and he he had the hair gris and you know and I had the hair all black and so it was that that we were and since he is now I have the hair who are gris the hair with with the green, the white, everywhere.

44:25And that was a thing where I was asked at a moment, is that I don't do anything? And I remember having bought a kind of thing to put on the... And in fact, I'm touched often, I'm grating often. I had the black on the inside. I didn't want that. So I said, all right, we don't do anything. We want to do anything. We want to do anything. We want to do anything. But it seems to be to avoid the things possible that once you start. Well, I can say that having made a lot of tournées, I've seen some musicians who do not accept that and who do not make a painting. And it's Dave Grohl who says that in his biography, he says that, unfortunately, we look at the end, at our grand-tent.

45:07And that, we don't want to. And it's true that, from this system, it's not bad. And in addition, plus the time passes, and plus I'm thinking... Because I'm a bit... It's been a long time qu 'en fait, je vais me couper les cheveux, moi. Ah bon ? Oui. Mais couper comment ? Court ? Un peu comme Dylan Ryder, tu vois. Court ? Oui. Il a des cheveux, mais... Il a des cheveux, mais que ce soit, oui, mi-long, en arrière. Et donc, j 'en vois souvent à Pénélope, genre, tu penses quoi de lui, de ça ? Je vois qu 'elle, elle ne sait pas, donc je ne sais pas non plus. Ah si, si, il faut le faire. Oui, il faut le faire.

45:42Ah ouais. Tes teams, il faut le faire. Écoute, moi, ça m 'a reboosté ma libido. Alors là, ça ne te consomme pas. T 'as fait quoi ? Mon mec change, se coupe les cheveux. Il est passé de quoi à quoi ? Franchement, je trouvais qu 'à la fin, c 'était un carré plat. Je trouvais que c 'était long, ça m 'agassait. Mais moi, j 'ai des trucs que je suis très vite agacée. J 'ai un mauvais caractère. Ça dépend de mon cycle. Tu te lasses vite, c 'est ça ? Je me lasses vite. En même temps, ça fait 20 ans que je suis fidèle. Mais j 'attache une grande importance à ce que ça m 'attire. Je suis très sensible to taste, to taste, to taste, to hygiene, to golfs, to creuse and everything.

46:25I need to feel that... In any case, that it evolves, maybe. Not to be in a routine where I see exactly what he looks like tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow and in 100 years. In other words, he has the wrong habit of, for example, adopting a sap, and it will be the sap of the month. And so I have the impression Qu 'il a really Toujours le même Voir du trimestre Et du coup J 'ai l 'impression Que c 'est Le jour de la marmotte Avec lui J 'arrive Il est à tir Au même endroit Dans la même position Dans la même tenue Et donc du coup Mais lui ça le rassure Il s 'en fout Ah il s 'en fout Je pense qu 'il s 'en fout Complètement Lui il veut la paix La tranquillité La gentillesse Et des caresses C 'était la bombe Mais moi je ne peux pas Faire des caresses A quelqu 'un qui n 'a pas La coupe de cheveux Que je veux Et en effet Ça a déjà été Des conversations also débile de est-ce que moi je te dis comment tu dois te coiffer non mais si tu as envie de me le dire tu me le dis on verra ce que j 'en fais en tout cas moi j 'ai besoin d 'exprimer mon désir et mon point de vue et tu te coupes les cheveux c 'est quoi la coupe que tu as envie de caresser je pourrais te la montrer mais ça ressemble un peu au mec que tu as montré c 'est -à-dire que c 'est court mais tu peux l 'attraper c 'est pas court et ça peut légèrement un peu onduler you want to put your hand in it and I think that it was and I think that it was a dense before, in fact, I didn't say you're going to buy your shoes, you're going to buy your shoes and he never went to the coiffeur, it's me who was going to buy my shoes and I took a call for you to tell you where we are and he didn't say, every time since I went to the coiffeur the coiffeur tells me that I have a lot of shoes and in fact, when they are short you have the impression that there are three times more yes, of course and I don't know why I'm going to take that I'm afraid and texturé, in fact it is out, it was all and so now it is the norm.

48:16In fact, after my shampoo, I can't just let it be like that. I have to put it on the material. So, there's something that they put when they are mouished. And it's beautiful, quoi. It's beautiful. When it's in the bottom, it's... Moi, in fact, the thing, it's that I've spent a lot of time to try to find the formula which would be the most simple peu importe où je suis. Et tu vois, je trouve que avoir des pompes blanches tout le temps, un jean tout le temps, et un t-shirt blanc tout le temps, et les cheveux attachés, c 'est genre super simple. Et donc, du coup, du coup, c 'est un peu mon starter pack, tu vois.

49:04En plus, je ne suis pas... En off, tout à l 'heure, on parlait d 'éventuellement avoir des stylistes, des trucs comme ça.

49:14Je reviens toujours à ça à la fin parce qu 'en fait, je cherche la simplicité dans le mode opératoire. Entre le moment où je me lève et le moment où je vais sortir, je veux qu 'il y ait un truc où je ne suis pas là, genre, la mèche là aujourd 'hui, elle ne veut pas. Je n 'ai pas envie de ça. Du coup, c 'est vrai que je vais faire cette facilité et j 'essaye à chaque fois de ne pas l 'oublier. C 'est ça en fait mon frein par rapport à me couper les cheveux, c 'est que je me dis, je vais passer par tout. I'm going to pass by the Chantal, I'm going to pass by the moments where I wake up and I'm just going to hurl and rire in me looking at the glass and saying what's this coupe?

49:46Well, I'm going to wake up, I'm not looking at the glass, I attach my shoes, I'm going to do my sport. It's what he says, he says that I need to be easy. I don't have one in the eyes, I don't have a gian gian gian, I don't know what. Yeah, the only thing that's cheating with the longs, honestly, it's to be able to clean it, to be able to clean it. I'm not going to do that. Ah, really? I'm not going to do that. But why? I don't know.

50:14You don't have any teeth that push to an end of the eye? There you have, you have? No, I don't have one. I have one on the ear. Ah, yeah. I think it's the cycle of life, I believe. Yeah, but really, it's like Wolverine. But it's for that, you know, my teeth are hiding the fact that, in fact, I think you raise your head and you say, wow, gros. Ah, he has ails. Yeah. That's great. What's he does? Donc, oui, j 'ai vraiment deux petites ailes comme ça de cheveux. Que tu épiles parfois ? Eh bien, écoute, non. Tu te sentais ? Non, j 'ai demandé à PNM, j 'ai dit, est-ce que ça te dérange ? Non, mais surtout qu 'en plus, ça apparaît du jour au lendemain, vraiment.

50:52Pour moi, ça apparaît. Oui, c 'est que vraiment, il y a eu un soir où je faisais des rêves de loup-garou pendant tout un été. Et à un moment, j 'ai attaché mes cheveux et on me regardait en glace, j 'ai fait, oh, qu 'est-ce que c 'est que ça ? Et tu sais, je n 'avais jamais senti et j 'ai commencé à tirer dessus et ça tirait mes oreilles avec, tu vois. and I said, but I have a little on my ears. And I was all looking at her, I said, what's going on? She said, I said, I didn't see her. And I said, I said, I didn't see her. I said, I said, I had a transformation. In a wolf-carou? Yeah. I had to believe.

51:22Really, 10 minutes, but I had to believe. Yeah, 10 minutes, it's sufficient. I said, yeah, it was going to push on the yip and all. I said, I was going to... There's griffes and all that arrive. Yeah, and why not? And there... There's canines, well, how it's called? Yeah, in fact... Toi, tu as des canines ? Pardon, franchement, j 'ai l 'air d 'être folle avec ses lunettes de vue. Moi, j 'ai une spécificité rare, paraît-il. J 'ai deux canines et je n 'ai que deux dents entre les canines. Toi, tu en as quatre. Je crois. Montre, attends, vas-y. Ouais. Et que deux dents. Mais t 'es un loup-garou ?

51:54Oui. C 'est fou ! Ouais. Et donc, tu en as quatre et après, tu as les canines. Et moi, je n 'en ai que deux avec les canines. Mais moi, je n 'ai pas de canines. Et j 'estime... In fact, they're not pointy, ni in the back. Yeah, but on the right. I have teeth, but they're not pointy. Yeah, but you see, in the bottom, you have four and the canine, and in the bottom, you have four and the canine. I'm not going to be pointy because I'm more evolved. No, I know they're not. No, I know they're very pointy. And I think it's a thing of evolution. That at the end, people will have no more canine because we don't have more need.

52:27Well, I told you, I told you, if you don't have more teeth in the bottom, it's because we have less than in the bottom. So maybe you also you're more evolved. or you're a loup-garou? I would like to be a loup-garou. Franchement, you're a little a loup-garou. If you put an eclipse on a mountain, a new profile, and you push a cry, I think that makes a lot more loup-garou than if I do it. I think we'll just say that there's Otto in the Simpsons who's going to play a plomb. No, it works, I think. In addition, you do sport, you said? Yeah, I do sport. You're a little bit like a barrack? No, I don't think so.

53:01I think you're humble. I think you're bad. No. It's a problem. I'll ask you. I'll ask you. I'll ask you. I'll ask you. I'll ask you. But no, no. I'm doing sport every morning. Every morning. And every morning. You said? Yeah. So, two times per week? Two times per week, yeah. But in fact, it started by... I was doing one minute of gainage at the beginning. Yeah. And every morning. And after I was going to pass it to 1 minute 30, 2 minutes, 3 minutes, machin. Now I'm going to 25 minutes now. So it's long. You're in 25 minutes of gainage? Yeah. You're in 25 minutes? During 25 minutes, I'm in the planche.

53:39And I'm looking at all my social media. And it's the only time I'm on the social media. It's good, it's. Yeah. So it's why the time increases. It's because I have more and more need to watch. No, it's false. It's because at the moment, you don't work anymore. In fact, your body doesn't work anymore. So it's more. But I think, you know, Didier Deschamps, he's 1h30. You know, like... The gainage? Yeah. I wanted to make a concours of gainage this summer with my friends. Ah, yeah? I didn't have a... Ah, you didn't have a carlysmic? No, because I wanted to launch the Olympiad and there were plenty, plenty, plenty of preuves.

54:12It's great, that. Olympiad entre potes, excuse-moi. It's extraordinary. And then, it's like, oh, your own, your own, your own, your own, your own, your own, your own, I don't know what. I would like to do that. The Olympiad? Ah, yeah. If a day we go together, I organize the Olympiad. We're doing that, yeah. Ah, yeah. And then, I have things of balance, things physical, and you're in team I'm not playing individually you can't even play the duo if we can play the duo but my guy is not naged I don't know I have a medal you know I can't play I can't play because you have I have a medal I have a medal but I think it's a false medal my guy told me that it's a false medal why Well, he told me, Jova, why you're a medalist of tir -à-l 'arc?

54:58Because I can be good in a field in a field. But in fact, it was like a summer camp in CE2. But frankly, I was going to go to Greece in two years. And someone told me, you know, you've already done it, right? Yeah. But you know, I think we have a predisposition to something in a field. Yeah. And I think I was, I don't know, maybe in a life. Yeah. Après, honnêtement, je pense qu 'il y a des skills qu 'on a. Il faut vraiment les imbriquer les uns aux autres et qu 'il y ait la bonne discipline qui soit inventée pour qu 'on se dise, wow, ce truc-là, je suis archi fort. Mais c 'est vraiment niche, quoi.

55:42Et peut -être que le tir à l 'arc, parce que c 'est quand même un délire, le tir à l 'arc. Ouais, c 'est un délire. Avoir inventé le coup de la corde avec la flèche, c 'est génial. with a banded thing. The other day, I learned something on the eyes when you look at it. But no matter. There, we digress. Of course, it's been a long time. But I continue again a little bit. Because you've talked so much about Penelope that I'm obligated to say, is it you want to buy products? Is it you want to buy a routine? No. No. Not even a cream hydratant? No. It's not a skin. But I'm going to... dans cette escroquerie, je pense.

56:21Mais j 'attendrai. Si c 'est le masque LED, je t 'interdis de parler de ça comme ça. Ah non, pas du tout. Dans le minoxydil. C 'est quoi ? C 'est un truc que tu mets dans tes cheveux pour que... Et les petites pilules à le levure de bière. Ça, c 'est pour les cheveux, levure de bière, cheveux, ongle, peau. Le tout, c 'est pareil. Minoxydil ? Ouais, c 'est un espèce de truc que tu fais. Non, mais je crois que c 'est du bullshit, mais je ne sais pas pourquoi je le fais parce que j 'ai un pote who told me that he would do it. And I said, I'm going to do it. But you have a ton of hair. Yeah, but listen, I'm going to do it.

56:51I had a friend who said that. He said, you don't do that, you? I said, no, no. But wait, I tell you that. We had a 30 years ago. And it's been 12 years. That you put things on. It's a little bit. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. And I'm going to do it. But I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it completely. But I don't know. And there are people that I've seen sometimes say, say, to be careful of this thing. It's an arnaque. But in addition to that, it's a bad thing. I've never had anything done. Mal ? No, but yes, it's attacking, I don't know what. Oh, my God. It's too complex for me.

57:27But at the end, I also had to forget the beer. But sometimes, I forget it for a month. So, in fact, I don't have a routine. To be honest, I have my routine sportive, but I don't have a routine of produce. Ah, yes. So, in the morning, the gainage, and the after, the gainage? No, I gainage 25 minutes the morning. Après, j 'ai un programme de sport qui dure un quart d 'heure, avec des haltères, des poids de corps, des trucs comme ça. Tous les lundis, mercredis, samedis, c 'est doublé le temps de ce truc-là, trois fois par semaine. Qui a décidé ? L 'application. OK. Je suis un bon élève, donc je suis ce que dit l 'application.

58:00Et j 'ai une autre application qui est beaucoup plus vieille, et en fait qui est nulle. Ça s 'appelle les 7 minutes workout, mais en vrai, ça dure 15 minutes. Et je le fais tous les après-mêmes. and I tried to change the program from time to time but it's an app which doesn't exist and in fact I had a discount, I had my 10 years in March so there was a congratulations yeah cool but you know, every day you can scroll it's marked the number of hours of days that you have passed, of weeks that you have passed to do this sport and so you know like a guy who likes the video games I continue to do this thing just for the stats.

58:41I think it's more than that. But I do it again. But you do it in a tour? I do it even if I have 42 fieves, we are the first of the year and I'm in a room that makes 5m2. I do everything that I tell you, which is the wind. All the time, what it happens. What it happens. It's crazy, it's. And even when I got a leg in three years, I did all the sport in finding a method to do with a hand in the plate. And then, for finishing, very important, not a cream cream? Not a cream? Not a cream? Not a cream? Not a cream? Not a cream? You're ready? You're ready? Yeah. You're ready? You're ready to get a good quality of skin.

59:20You're ready? Ah, yeah. Well, you're ready. But you put the cream solar? When you're at the sun? I put the spray, 50. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's good, yeah. Because the cream, it's a weird, a fou. Well, the cheat, it's a facile. Yeah, the piscine is easy and my penelope m 'engueule vachement there-dessus because she me told me how to call it our our you know a reserve yeah I don't know how it's called and it's true that the cancer all that it goes with the sun so you know I put my spray but it's true that I'm not very acidity there-dessus but no but I put zero cream and and honestly you know I was the thing is that by accident, I was a mannequin at an age at Elite.

1:00:09And I was a Egeri Margiela for 3-4 years. And at every time, it was really the confidence that I gave them the people who work there were there. They said, no, but I don't want to make a look at it. It's fine like that. And so, in fact, maybe it was an age where I would have been shifting. I don't know. I don't know. But the fact that they told me all that, no, but it's good. I did I don't know how many catwalks in the world all for Margiela. I didn't have to wear it. But wait, you've been a-défilé and everything. Yeah. You've been a podcast. I'm a mannequin, in fact. But I've been a 10 years.

1:00:46But I don't know what I'm doing. Ah, OK. It's not on the fiches... No, I think if you're using Benjamin Kimian, my real name, mannequin, you see plenty of things. Oh, chance. Well, I thought that was the worst job you ever had. You're really a center. You're really a center. And especially... Yes, but for the ego, it's good for the ego. But not so much. Because, just the contrary, no one looks at the eyes. It's really like... Yes, yes, I'm sure. You know, you look at your shoulders, your stuff. You know, for example... Well, I've had a chance to be really going to be in the middle of all the serrails of the thing.

1:01:28but I assisted to the worst scene human that I've never ever seen a year when I was at the end I was always the catwalk to the right to the left to the left to the left to the New York to the right to the right to do things but I was a music I was not a job I was not a job I was a musician I was a musician because it's hard to be musician and when you it was a time where there was less of tournées less of stuff I worked on albums, you're a little a tune, there's no networks like there are today. And so, really, it's been saved the life of having this kind of job where we were coming to look at the street in the street.

1:02:08You know, really. And, there was a time where we had to do a show for the Fashion Week and I had an echarpe, you know, in the mood board and all. And the echarpe, they weren't happy with the size they were. So, it was going to be a thing. And so, So, a dimanche, they call me and they say, yeah, it's going to come back and everything. And at every time, you're paid even for the essay. So, I'm going to go, a little bit in the cul. And they say, yeah, listen, we'll... And I see there's a sick of sick of the sick of the one where we were at the time. It was in the 11th, I think.

1:02:44And I'm going to ask, but what's going on? Why there's so much? And they say, because at every time, we were three maincans principally. And every three years, they change. and then you never boss for Marge. And I was in my second year, and there was one of three mannequins who was sick. And he didn't make the catwalk which had lieu tomorrow. And so he wanted to replace it just for this thing. And so the queue, it was... Really, it was 500 meters, without a disconnect. And on a dimanche in plus, and so they knew it. The DA, all that. So they told me, if you're there, you know, there we just do the auditions so I'm in the first time I see auditions because I didn't have been taken on audition and and the sécheresse it was like ok, bonjour, ok, turn your head, but the neck it doesn't go at all, all right, suivant but you're aware of the méchanceté and at a moment there's an Asianian who has the morphotype asiatique, disons, je ne sais pas s 'il est asiatique ou pas, enfin, je ne connais rien de cette personne-là.

1:03:54Ils font, putain, mais on va le répéter combien de fois, putain, mais... Et donc, ils s 'énervent entre eux, sans même lui dire bonjour. Et moi, je n 'arrive pas à comprendre ce qu 'ils se disent et ils disent à l 'assistante de l 'assistant qu 'il n 'y a pas d 'asiatique, quoi. On ne veut pas d 'asiatique. Et donc, le mec ouvre la porte et c 'était un espèce d 'énorme escalier, tu sais. On était au quatrième étage, mais vraiment jusqu 'en bas, il y avait de la queue. and who hurlent « Les Asiatiques, c 'est non ! » Oh, l 'enfer ! And then, and then, there's no noise and you just hear the noise of pas in the escalier of people who, finally, it's been one hour and a half that they attend and who are, I imagine, the morpho-type asiatics and I was like but what's that that's that job of shit what's that's that that's that world of shit really, it was one of the coups of massue, you know, because I've always been preserved, you know, every time that we call it was for a cool plan, cool, you do a thing for a magazine editor, a magazine, a magazine, a magazine, a thing.

1:04:54So, it's very simple. And this kind of experience, at every time where I saw behind the curtains, it's really what there is behind the thing, I was like, it's... Hyper violent. ...and so it's part of the thing where I didn't say anything on the makeup, I didn't say anything, and I was like, you know what, a little bit like I said about my friend who was born younger, all that, it's a lot of And if someone says, you know, now you're... For example, now I'm doing sport, it's because before I was longiline. And so it's perfect when you're a center. They can all put everything in there. Now that I'm a little bit more sport, I'm a little bit more into it.

1:05:34Nobody's calling me. You know, I'm not at all the core of mannequins that they attend. And you're at all in the object, you're going to go on a show. You're going to get a cool thing. It's not a thing that you're going to press. you're not going to do it. I thought it was so easy to do it. To be honest, it was really for the tune. And they're going to march, for example? They're going to go. They're going to go. They're going to go. They're going to go. They're going to go. When you marches, you're going to go. What is it? It's going to go. You're going to go. You're going to go. No one. And you know, one of the first fights that I've done, there was Anna Wintour, Kanye West.

1:06:17It was crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy what you're talking about. And I didn't have the right to watch it. It was super frustrating. Because I was like, they're like, they're like, they're like, and in fact, you're like, I was nervous. And so, I've been able to see in a way of being very nervous. And at the end of the thing, it's Mike, the singer of R.E.M., at every time, it's not Michael Phelps, because he, I don't want to see He's been a little bit of a memory. He's been a little bit of a memory. He's been a little bit of a thought. He's been a little bit of a draggy. But you know. I was like, but it's the R.E.M.

1:06:59And of a sudden, I started to say, but it's what? You know, it was cool. And I was like, you're a mannequin, man. You're not a mannequin. You're not a talk. But you're not a talk. I was like, but it's a little bit. You're like, you're like, you're like, genre ça va c 'est lui qui en plus est venu me parler mais t 'avais une idée de ce que c 'était que Margiela et tout Margiela j 'avais jamais entendu parler ça c 'est hyper drôle jamais et d 'ailleurs à cette époque-là vers la fin de mon mannequinat je rencontre Pénélope et je lui dis oh putain j 'ai un défilé pour machin et je lui raconte je lui parle de Marc et elle me fait bah bien sûr que je connais et tu vois mais genre comme si c 'était insultant et je lui disais rassure-toi Moi, il y a deux jours, je ne savais pas ce que c 'était.

1:07:47Donc, j 'ai défilé pour des marques que je ne connais toujours pas aujourd 'hui. C 'est hyper drôle. Mais oui, parce qu 'on s 'en fout. En fait, le truc, c 'est que je ne connais pas. C 'est vraiment un monde particulier. Ça, il faut quand même, pour les gens qui sont habitués à la mode, il faut que ces gens-là prennent bien conscience que pour les gens qui ne savent pas ce que c 'est, ils n 'en ont rien à foutre. Moi, je n 'en avais vraiment rien à foutre. Mais je pense que je leur aurais parlé, tu vois, à ces gens-là de, je ne sais pas, de Faist ils n 'en auraient rien à foutre ils diraient ouais c 'est de la musique j 'adore Faist c 'est mon artiste préféré ah c 'est vrai ?

1:08:22après George Michael c 'est que c 'est l 'album ça rend fou mon mec j 'écoute le même album The Reminder et l 'autre c 'est lequel juste avant comment il s 'appelle ? Let It Die moi c 'est Metals mon préféré je le trouve extraordinaire je le trouve d 'une sensibilité la production. En fait, vraiment, je le trouve si bien pensé, si bien fait. Je n 'arrive pas à vraiment me performer comme elle a pu faire un album aussi parfait. Je l 'écoute tout le temps. Tu l 'as rencontrée ? Alors non, j 'aurais pu la rencontrer à un moment donné parce qu 'elle m 'a écrit sur Instagram. J 'étais allé la voir à un de ses concerts avec Pénélope d 'ailleurs.

1:09:08Et je lui fais une story où je la tagge and she told me, but it's too cool, you're in the room, but you're in the room, but you're in the room, and in the room, it was at the Elysée-Montmartre, and we were already in route for for our time, you know, and I was thinking, but... But, well, listen... And Cat Power, you place where it's? I love it. But you prefer Faced? Yeah, Faced, it's really... There's a thing, there's a power, there's a douce that I don't find ailleurs. I think really, It's my favorite artist with Fiona Apple. I understand. I'm so happy to finish here. I'm going to tell you something.

1:09:49You talk about the dance and the mannequin night in the end of the podcast. It's a metaphor for the fact that you were clearly talking about the essential and that it was too sweet. And that I didn't expect it to be too... I loved it. I thank you. I'm all loved. Thank you. Thank you. Merci beaucoup. Merci.

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