China's Biggest Threat: India, Japan & Asia's Power Shift | Sreeram Chaulia | FO542 Raj Shamani

42:01And they demanded a lot of concessions from Australia in return for taking back their comments on China, the Wuhan virus and all those things. So what they realized over time is Chinese Navy also is expanding heavily in the whole region. So Australia's backyard, the traditional sphere of influence, the Pacific Island nation, Southeast Asia, In all, China is more than the power of China. And Australia is being slowly ejected from many places. You are a small deep in the Pacific. Australia used to be traditionally a kind of influential power or the dominant power. China went there and got loans there.

42:45And they said we will maintain law and order, security. Suddenly, Australians are jittery saying what happens to our sphere of influence. We don't have enough money to compete with the Chinese. So Australians have to form coalitions. So after this realization in the past 10 years we have been very close to our relationship. We have signed also an interim trade agreement. Our trade has doubled and is going to triple very soon and the financial integration is much higher. Australia and India jointly naval exercises we have done. We have a quarter of quad. So there are a lot of commonalities now and our diaspora is growing.

43:24Japan is not in Japan, but in Australia, it's getting close to 1 million. But Chinese diaspora is a lot. Like Chinese people dominance in Australia is insane. That's true. And so, but to counterbalance that dominance, they need Indians. What is happening is Chinese interference in Australia's internal affairs also grew. Clive Hamilton, Silent Invasion. He's written a book. It's about how China surreptitiously entered Australia through the diaspora, through investment, through loans and all these things through trade and began to start dictating terms to Australians themselves on what to cover in their media, what to say in their politicians they bribed everybody in the system they were trying to silently take over the country so there is backlash, fear of Chinese takeover so I think India is a good counterbalance our diaspora in Australia professionals, non-political they don't work as AJ, secret agents of India are there to try and interrupt the democracy in Australia so they love us and before we said three C's cricket, curry commonwealth these are the things that Australia and Bharat are close to now negatively China has also the fourth C in a negative sense has also brought us together and now the level of economic integration is high and level of trust among the leaders is high so this is also a problem free relationship but this is new unlike Japan which we have cultivated in the last 10 years has come around one of the fastest growing strategic partnerships now we are doing joint exercises and all these things this is a crucial choke point geopolitical choke point Chinese, the oil everything from Middle East passes through the states of Malacca here Australians and Indians are also territories in the Indian Ocean and in the Indo-Pacific there are our navy that is how we are going to be able to counterbalance the Chinese and economic wise toh, just as I said, the sky is the limit.

45:26The trade is growing. And by the way, Australia, UAE, in both of them, when we signed a free trade agreement signed, it's just opening up vast markets and suddenly you see the results. Within one or two years, our trade in with double and triple. UAE is almost 100 billion to reach now. One day, a small country, United Arab Emirates, will overtake China or the US and become our largest trading partner. That's also a possibility in the way things are going. So what I'm saying is Australia we have done and they appreciate it and they want India to project power in their backyard and to cooperate with them jointly.

46:05We consult with Australia. When we go to Pacific Island nations, we don't go unilateral and we don't try to push out Australian influence. We work along with the Australians jointly let us implement a project there. Interesting. So I think a middle power coalition we say and we are a little defensive about our own backyard that the China is going to fall and it will be thrown out here and Australia is also defensive and birds of a feather flock together we are both common enemies so that's why we are both a threat exactly how do we do over dependence on China India is the biggest growing market if they can sell more minerals to India they don't have to worry about Chinese boycott and Chinese you know blackmail yeah many Indian companies after COVID started like investing a lot there like the large giants in the mineral space and I can tell you our diaspora is like a living bridge and they are so dynamic and entrepreneurial in Australia they are really they know the Indian market and they can help Australian investors better navigate the Indian market and regulatory system here so a lot of these transnational linkages are being formed at the level of FDI flows and all that.

47:23It's going to technology transfer and all these things we are working on joint in many fields. Australia is an advanced industrialized country but increasingly orientation is towards Asia. It's a little bit it's a little bit It used to be originally considered itself as part of Europe only because it's a white settlers but now they see the geography the power of geography is there in this area they need to keep China in check and they need to also find new opportunities so as long as India grows they have a bonanza because they can sell more to us so on all those counts I think the congruence is very high and leadership level also Scott Morrison sometimes people get confused but Anthony Albanese the current one has been in power for some years and he's got a very strong relationship now it's bipartisan support for India if you have a liberal power conservative, right wing, left wing whoever the election comes the prime minister comes the consensus view is India is necessary for Australia's security and prosperity so it's going well and our students are going you know when all the US and Canada and European countries Australia has become a big destination for our higher education also they want to attract more of our fee paying students they have some top universities some of the skills they acquire there can be useful for startups in India so convergence is very much and very less conflict so this is another you know and ultimately Raj you know as India grows going for work or economic opportunities abroad and settling down that trend will be less there is a lot of people coming back they are so I think eventually it will be balanced I don't think our Indian diaspora now is officially Ministry of External Affairs that the government is talking about 35 million is the number right I think it will stabilize it will not keep on happening where more and more people will leave the country because India is growing rather foreigners will come here we may have to handle some economic migrants we already have a lot of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh it's running into become a big demographic problem in eastern India but we may see more from other countries where we will have to actually accommodate more rather than we sending so south to north global south because

49:55this flow but let us look for that kind of era where we retain the talent at home and in fact we attract talent from outside we are getting a lot of talent like people are making good money outside for 15-20 years and then they settle coming back again there are a lot of now After doing my PhD in 2009, I need not have come back to this country. Most of my peers were saying that you have to find an academic job in the US. You know, colonial mindset is so much over history. Some say,

50:29you should try to get a green card and get a US citizenship. We have to say, this is my land and I have to come back and build this nation and make it a superpower. This is our small-sized job. done right. So I think that mindset will ultimately solve this immigration problem. And it is happening. This morning I met a Cummins like ex. He was a global leader at Cummins. He was chairman and MD and he left that. Cummins. Chairman and MD left that and be like I want to back I want to leave US come back to India. This is my motherland I want to contribute here. And now he's a professor. So 8 to 10 % growth.

51:05Global leader coming back and there are so many cases like you that this guy too many people it's a good thing even the IITs what they say they are brain drain everyone has a degree on tax payer funded education and then they all immigrate to the US now I saw one of the IIT directors saying that very few of them actually are immigrating you know after finishing because there is a flourishing so I think India will be the magnet it will keep our folks at home it will bring others to India and I like this strategy also So, you go out for a little time. 5-10 years ago, they learn and work. Then they go back.

51:42Skill transfer. And they bring a lot of funds. And then they do your good job. Like all startups, if you see most of them, successful ones are US returns. Correct. Because you've seen better things and you'll want to bring those best practices back. Like a lot of unicorns are US returns in India. That should be encouraged. Okay. So, because we talk about US as a strategic partner. You know, like I said,

52:09they expect that even partners allies not to be allies behave not to deviate so US sometimes our friction is but what happened because China factor like Australia Japan paana, we say US to or bhi jyada competition mein China ke saath to Asia mein inhe lagta hai ki counterweight, counterbalance joe India hai so we have to show some what they call pehle kahte teh teh strategic generosity we should show to India on many things nuclear deal jab huwa ta 20 saal pehle and all that those are all the main ideas behind that but abhi over time kya hua hai ki they expect that achha bhai India, US ke saath jyada integrate ho raha hai toh it should also So, toe our line on certain things.

53:07And we are independent. We are not an ally. So, that's why it's unburned. Like the trade war that Trump has started. That is partly out of expectation that we believe that we submit or succumb. That's what we have not done. Like I said, we have a balanced trade deal with them. and on certain issues we are seen as adamant or stubborn so okay rising power should be like that our soul is our compared to Pakistan which is saying that we have a horse you can mine all the rare earths and take whatever you want so we are not going to sell our core resources to anybody like that on a platter so India because self-respecting country rising power and ultimately great power will become some friction is still with the US but it's manageable end of the day what is it?

54:13you can see the overall relationship is so big America is only like a country which is our partner with our 50 % dialogue mechanisms bilateral dialogue mechanisms on so many issue areas from trade and technology to defense and security energy, climate you will even scratch your heads that even in this issue that even in America can be a leader there are many issues areas, topics, sectors so we have a thick relationship we have to say and this can be a Trump government or a trade war not so biggad at some point the trust has reduced because we have not thought that we will put 25 % extra tariffs in Russia but then we have been savvy in dealing with them we understand the great power mentality and we have played around that great power mentality of the US and made sure we have done a little bit but on the other hand we also have to get benefits that's why we said it has to be fair balanced and reasonable whatever outcome is there and I think they realized that India is too big an opportunity for them to let go lose altogether.

55:30There are a lot of people who have said Trump. In fact, Trump said that they don't love me as much as they used to before, but they will start loving me again, meaning India. And it's very clear because people are saying that the feedback is so negative. Our diaspora is there. We have 4.5 million people. The bilateral trade overall, if you take goods and services more than$200 billion, you can go to$500 billion,$1 trillion. A lot of market opportunities will be wasted if the trust is broken. so from now on, we have understood that we have better understand from India this is a problem of the problem and we can't make a decision on them so that we have managed and it's a very deep relationship China is counterbalancing in China geopolitical and security the integration of the technology sector services trade is very high we are in the same place.

56:26And, you know, big American companies are investing huge amounts. You know, Amazon, Microsoft, or Google, they are close to$70 billion, something they are committing new investments in India. So clearly, it seems that it is a democracy. And at the same time, there is a very big market. The middle class is growing. So how can we let go of this opportunity? And we have played that card well. that market access if you need our then you should give us more access so it's a win-win kind of a thing we have done with them and at the broader level there's a lot of I think a common English language tradition a lot of our immigrant community is there diaspora is big so all these factors make it net positive some negative sides we have to manage that like I said US expectations are different from ours on some areas I will highlight one thing in the neighborhood US-India cooperation I showed that in my book also in France, Bangladesh Myanmar, Nepal, Sri Lanka Sri Lanka to an extent actually we have cooperated with the US but in many other countries we are not able to converge let us have a joint approach like Japan and Bharat tag team but US is not being able to do it and some of the times people say Americans think that that China is not able to push back to our own so we have to go in and do it in a different way so that's why our clash especially on important countries like Bangladesh we have not we have been very unhappy with US policy and approach to overthrowing to the overthrow of Sheikh Hasina and the new order and all that so US did US there are conspiracy theories there was a domestic you know dissent in Bangladesh against Sheikh Hasina but Americans did encourage the opposition to try and you know bring about change and they welcomed the change we were horrified by the change so if we call comprehensive global strategic partners US-India why we are not able to coordinate in our own neighborhood this is a big question and my thinking is one country can do a isolation but if you think about the big picture if you think about the big picture then I think that because India is a rising power and because we don't want to be play second fiddle to anybody we are not a junior partner we are not a junior partner this is why we are unburned with the US but we have to improve coordination ultimately if we both share the same perception that China is a shared adversary or a shared threat or a challenge we have to close ranks we can't keep on being at loggerheads no economic relationship quad have Indo-Pacific technology all are running investments all good but on South Asia and extended neighborhood we need to work closer and unfortunately US because of this asymmetry which they say in English asymmetry is not made but then even if you keep the negative aside the positives like I said are net positive and this relationship is very crucial you can see any power of Bharat is not with both powers It's not possible to stop our rise.

59:48Already China is trying to stymie our rise. At least the US is not trying to stop our rise. They will be happy if India becomes a counterweight. We call it offshore balancing. Offshore balancing means the US will not commit all assets to stop China. Instead, for the reason, the local, regional, the powers of the power of the regional, will give them a big deal. So India is the number one candidate for that purpose. So I think we overall convergence and there may be some Dr. Jay Shankar at my book launch of friends, he said that some friends are more problematic than others. And the problematic friends at the end of the day, they are still friends only.

1:00:37So sometimes people are running in India. Trump has put a 50 % tariff and America is our biggest enemy. you hear these things, right? No, no, America has a big strength of keeping America. I think these are all unfounded. What do you want to say? You will also compare the China and the America. So, how can the world become? Let us be strategic and let us think long term. With the US, alignment. Not alliance. Alignment. Don't say it's a divorce. Don't say it's a divorce. Live in. relation which is going to be it will be there are a lot of factors interesting and then what about the next one Russia so how we balanced this which is not the play of the which is juggling that this ball we are running in the air this also running and both are falling and many people believe that Russia there are two views one is that Russia is always keeping us and and you know, we can't leave it with peace.

1:01:46Let's just stick to Russia, come what may. On the other hand, US pressure on the Ukraine war and also on buying oil and weapons from Russia and all these things. So what we have tried to do is balance these two, you know, competing interests. And with Russia, we are not going to abandon them. First of all, we have told Americans, Europeans were also expecting that we will be opposed to Russia because they have accremented to Ukraine. But based on our national interests and based on our own reading of international situation, we thought that Russia cannot be antagonized and sidelined fully. It's its own importance, especially in this Eurasia region and all that.

1:02:29So we have to find a solution. When we say that we want a diplomatic solution to all these conflicts, there is no work from sanctions. We never joined any sanctions against Russia. in fact we increased oil and weapons you know not so much weapons but oil purchases during the Ukraine war and that sent a message that they you know we value our friends and we are loyal live in but loyal as you can see in the long run one third of our defense supplies come from Russia and they have also been willing to do more technology transfer and such things especially in defense field. So, you saw Operation Sindur as 400 anti-missile system, very successful in intercepting the Pakistani Chinese-backed Pakistani missiles and aircraft.

1:03:24So, Brahmos missile, you saw, we struck some of the major terrorist camps. Brahmos is also joined by Russian and Indian technology. So, in some areas, Russia is also a strength and it is declining power. so Russia was so important before us now we are not now we have come like France is a big defense player US Israel but as far as we have Russia's we will keep good relationship we can't just abandon and that gives a bad signal if we just come under pressure of US and say overnight let's go Russia bye bye then people will be unreliable partners So, our identity and our dependability is a question.

1:04:11So, I think we will sustain the relationship with Russia. But returns are not coming. Some people are psychologically in India today, and they are getting stuck in a time warp. They are still in the world of Russia. Russia is not the greatest power. So, we should have reduced expectations. need to be able to get the power from Russia. Where we are getting the power, we need to be able to get the power from Russia. But it doesn't mean that Russia is going to solve all our problems. Some people are old timers. Because of the nostalgia. Soviet Union, it was a great power, it was a big world power.

1:04:48They still have a very pro-Russian line. Without understanding the ground realities have shifted, the power has also shifted away from them. So I think we should take a realistic position on this. Sometimes it doesn't mean that that if you have to step back in order to gain the friendship of somebody else who is more powerful, we should be willing to do it without any, you know, being sentimental. In this case, some people become emotional about Russia. But I think we should be realistic. We should continue the friendship, but it has limitations. and then our next friend who is France

1:05:57His reaction is naturally true. It seems that the gemeins in NATO I This pact is peculiar. It'sушy and United Phraskets. or in the US we can create a single-party legislator. We are both German and German.

1:06:19He's taking off ! Youth and Europe and such multi-polar order may stand in a pole so there are many benefits and I think France also wants that their values based approach is a little they think that China was a lot they used to look up to China for trade and for selling their products and all that but even the Germans now the realization came to this that China is a friend and then they will eat your lunch

1:07:22conquer and China also running dairy products electric vehicles we come to listen to our listeners so Europeans France all have understood that China is not a country but we should be wary of China so all in all in calculus that is the best bet because they need India because it is seen as more benign less threatening and you know democratic so these factors you can see France is an autonomy European autonomy and to become a separate power center Trump has also played trade wars so Europeans think if we diversify Latin America is Brazil is a big country in Asia India is a big country in Indonesia if we all do that is how we can maintain our independence even from the US so these factors are which is why France is very close to us and we can trust this country out and out why can we trust this country so this is the thing because they don't another thing I'll tell you an interesting thing British, Americans, Canadians these countries these countries these countries these countries these countries all these the advantage the tippani unwanted comments they are very active.

1:08:52The liberal media, some of their government, machinery and all that. Human rights, minorities are facing France is a different culture. It is a presidential system. There is power concentrated more in the president. And France historically is not the same. People are also more comfortable with France at that level. This is a country of a country. But the typical western country type doesn't come and give you a morality lesson or try to act superior to you. So France's approach is to respect our partner. And their internal job is a democracy, India. They respect that rather than trying to find fault.

1:09:36Okay, we have reduced freedoms here. So I think we are more comfortable in France because we don't give lectures. You know? And it doesn't sit like I'm a teacher and Bharat line they are not like that nice but can you trust them historically have they been a trustable partner for others yeah you know critical moments in our history 1998 when we did the nucleators Americans all have sanctions in western countries even Japan forced to do it because it was a US ally at the time France only we will not join any sanctions against India because nuclear power was necessary for their national security we understand we understand the logic so France more than 25 years ago we saw at critical time when everyone said boycott India do it you know it's non-proliferation all the norms France I don't care I need India and I respect India and we'll go with so there are many episodes critical moments in world history in Pakistan in the time France didn't do anything yeah and there have been strong partners with us on counter terrorism they are facing a lot of terror threats uh you know on french soil you have seen your isis attacks etc there's a lot of intelligence sharing also with india on these friends so i think it's a good partner it's a yeah it's a problem free compared to u.s which is a little problematic then next friend you have israel india how is Israel friend we do a lot of work together but what is the strategic benefit.

1:11:15The main one is counter-terrorism and national security. You know Middle East or West Asia, there and here South Asia terrorist groups have a lot of sand-gant. You can see Pakistan and Jashir Muhammad are so hardcore internationally banned terrorist groups. They have a lot of Hezbollah and other groups. They have a lot of

1:11:42cooperation. transnational terrorist cooperation so both of us feel like we are facing the same threat but just as I said Israel's method and tactic which are different we don't do counter-terrorism so overwhelming disproportionate forces we don't do calibrated and proportionate type of attacks our surgical strike is away their overall total so but we cooperate lot of intelligence sharing and by the way this I show in my book that even during the time when we did not officially recognize Israel in the name of Palestine who have been and we have sympathy for Palestinians I'm talking 1960-70 when RAW our foreign intelligence agency and the Mossad of Israel had a so-called secret collaboration on these shared threats since we have a joint missile and all these very successful with Israeli companies.

1:12:44Israeli startups and Indian startups take inspiration from each other. There's more effort to integrate the young people who are innovating on both sides. Startup nation is a part of Israel, despite the wars. There are a lot of amazing talent, young talent, doing tech and digital stuff. Agriculture. We have so many farming centers where they teach advanced irrigation methods and all these to Indian farmers. thousands of Indian farmers are benefiting from Israeli know-how and technology they got the drip irrigation to our country exactly and last but not least Pakistan's is very bad in Israel and people think that a lot of Pakistan allied terrorist groups are also direct threats to them so you know the enemies enemies is the friend type of thing they have a convergence in the Gaza war there was a little problem we could not openly take Israel's side because Arab countries and Gulf countries are also the Caribbean like Emirates and Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and all that so we have tried to and even with Iran and Israel there is always fighting and confrontation and they both have a big competition in Middle East for dominance we don't take sides in this but then Israelis understand Israelis don't insist that you don't go with Iran that is American language that's why I'm saying that one of the problematic friends they understand our compulsions and say that we are fine with your choices you saw the Mumbai incident in 2008 Israelis were targeted here right after that the cooperation is bigger especially after 2008 I mean much of it is classified and not known in the public but you know our audience should know that this is closer the security cooperation probably with some other country के साथ हमारा है and technology transfer भी करते हैं यह सब sharing भी है तो I think उन्हें भी आप Israelis को देख लीजे भारत आते भी हैं बहुत as tourists and उन्हें लगता है कि they need a counterbalance to the being in a hostile neighborhood तो उन्हें लगता है the first big Gaiashian country which is not hostile is India तो उन्हें आना ही है और दोस्ती बढ़ा नही है तो controversial is that they have to do this in the US we don't support some of their actions sometimes we also abstain or we vote against them in the UN and all that but generally speaking we are brothers in arms interesting now here is the most interesting country with which trade has increased people have been able to go there there are many migration people have been able to go there and it's becoming friend of India in a way which nobody thought recently their top leader was also in India UAE UAE what a strategic plan I love UAE by the way amazing open country I love UAE for one reason I'll tell you I've been to so many countries and apart from India I think UAE is one of the rare countries who accept like that country accepts you for who you are they don't want you to change your your country your nationality, your way of behaving nothing, they just want to accept you the way you are and they want to show you their culture and they want to make sure you teach me yours, I'll teach you yours and then let's just build everything together and that is across nationalities not just for Indians they do the same thing for British people they do the same thing for Europeans they do this thing for Africans for Americans, for everybody which I really find fascinating how can you be so so accepting of the world and internationally compliant with everything and you take every citizen which is UAE nationalized and every tourist problem as your own that's like remarkable know the country has been able to do it and show it again again consistently in their A policies B their behavior C their demeanor like I I just love this fact about UAE like it's incredible to see that one country is doing it it is remarkable truly a global country yeah absolutely and behind that this is the cause there is a small country which is surrounded by much larger powers.

1:17:27So to have an open society and an open economy and an open approach to people of different backgrounds is very critical because their strategy is to be a hub for capital. Dubai is one of the big global centers of global capital, right? And to attract talent and know-how and money from everywhere, right? So for that, there is a need for that. So this has been adopted very successfully. And they are also very... so our side is Muhammad bin Zayed the current UA leader he realized that in the long run his own monarchies kind of benign monarchies you can say the system he has to be afraid from radical Islamists and terrorists so first of all he thought that the ideology of Pakistan and the mindset of jihadist to threat and all these which are radical currents they are very dangerous for them so that brought them closer to India number one they used to side with Pakistan on most things because they used to think fellow Islamic country and all that on Kashmir and all these issues but they changed the threat of terrorism and extremism is very high and after the Arab Spring 2011 when the government was down there they became even more fearful of this radical current just Egypt and all that so India moderate country hain Indian Muslims also moderate not extremists they welcome us our migrant workers there baut badi taad hain hain hain almost I think 3 million plus hain abhi so for all those reasons they moved closer to India and intelligence sharing hain baut saare Nami joh Atankwadi wagra hain joh dubai mein apna adda banah kar wahaan se chala raha teh terrorist attacks on India ye sab inho nha bant karwa hain kai ho giriftar extradition and all so security cooperation is one reason second you know uae ke paas bhoot sari surplus funds are unka sovereign wealth funds bagara hai and they are looking for diversifying away from dependence only on the u.s historically u.s alliance thang ka kind of partnership or alliance and they used to look mainly to the u.s but abjo unhain lagta hai ki it's more diversified multipolar world ban raha hai toh they are looking for new centers of growth and where we can invest we can get high return on investment Abu Dhabi investment authority Mubadala all these for them India is the biggest opportunity and we have made a trade agreement and with the help of the expatriate Indian diaspora which already has our they are facilitating this two way exchange so I think UAE with triple or quadruple trade hardly in 3-4 years after the trade agreement was signed.

1:20:22So UAE sees huge opportunities here. On the other hand Saudi Arabia is our strategic partnership but it's more of a religious approach to foreign policy. That's why we are seeing their so-called signed a defense agreement with Pakistan and all that Saudi Arabia. But UAE is not doing that and in a way UAE also has a rivalry with Saudi Arabia that I will not be in the shadow of it. Saudi is a much bigger country in size and resources and influence. So, UAE says that it is an ambition. That I have to break out of the shadow of Saudi Arabia. And that's why they think that India is more beneficial.

1:20:59So, I would say these factors are crucial. Diaspora and the counter-terrorism and extremism and the economic convergence. So, I'll tell you something. I'll be happy to tell you. India UAE strategic dialogue I went to Abu Dhabi the local Arab investors are studying from Bari which is

1:21:28which opportunity for investment so someone asked Rajasthan has such a structure but Gujarat has such a structure but Karnatak has such a structure I was so shocked these are young Arab entrepreneurs of the Emirates who are granularly studying India for more market access and opportunity and for investments, you know. And they're very pragmatic. Like we said, they're very liberal. And they, you know, believe in this India because India is also giving them a skilled workforce which is not a troublemaker unlike some other, like I said, they prefer Indians over Pakistanis or Bangladeshis, you know, despite being an Islamic country.

1:22:07Trust at the top level we have cultivated. and I think UAE is a part of the look west policy which we call act east policy Japan Australia all are this but look west or act west also say link west many phrases in that policy and that strategy for India to be influential UAE is the main bridge you know interesting how we have talked about which friends are my last question to you would be how do the world see us yeah, many people have asked me you are the you know, number one these are friends, can you get in their top three or top five or not, I think for all these countries, which we have talked about, all of them are the top three in the top three in the top three, maybe not number one for all and just like भारत बड़ी अर्थिवास्ता बन रही है जैसे जैसे भारत की military power projection बढ़ेगी अनेक अभी फिलाल तो अभी भी हमें इंडिया नोशन power है primarily लेकिन हमारी navy और air force अगर और ज़्यादा सक्षम बने with higher defense spending and capabilities over time, तो हम even further away from our close shores, we can be a security provider to many countries, net security provider so when they come they will increase the importance of the importance of so you can safely be friends with India because India is not going to betray you India is a loyal friend it has many friends but it is loyal to all of them you know so in that sense it will not run and it will not change it will not it's not a whimsical or fly by night operator it is going to be staying there so I think we are more dependable more reliable and also more visible now for all these reasons I think in sub ke liye na India will continue to grow in importance and I don't see any one of these countries suddenly backtracking saying ki abh ye liabilty ha ha mar liye india will continue to be an asset ye it's like a you know see ek strategy foreign policy strategy me ap dekhte hai ki uberta sitara kone sa hai the rising giant to uberta sitare ke saath hi aapki you know the most opportunities the most possibilities are at one time all countries were sitting on China that China will grow and we will do economic integration and it will be win-win their benefit our benefit but now many of them have regrets for that saying that China has been very big and aggressive and in a way it is like I said eating our lunch so now they feel we are in that sweet spot in the next 15-20 years India is the safest bet and it will not boomerang on you so I think as a result of it we will be in the good books of all these countries we have to maintain it will not be always smooth but the baseline is strong so I think we will sustain these friendships and that's the path I have argued that in Mitrata is one of the best without friendships some people understand great power you have high economic growth and a lot of great power you will become great power these are both factors but with diplomacy diplomacy is the third the softer element in which the core of it partnerships we will build and then we will be unstoppable interesting well thank you so much for a lot of things I am genuinely honored that you came here and itni sari baate bata hai friends puri samjadi end to end thank you for doing this you are the future of India you are the future of India you are the future of India to educate the masses and bringing serious content in a way they can understand I think you are path breaking and I wish you all the success as you keep building the opinion and shaping the national narrative and also informing the international community about India's rise thank you so much Hello So nice to see you Pleasure seeing you sir Pleasure Legend of young India No no no Trying We are trying to do something No I am so proud of the fact Because this is the future of the country no Yes You will take us to Viksit Bharat I would love to play a small role in it That's how I would put it Thank you so much for watching this episode Now you have to do three things First of all, subscribe to this channel because as much as you subscribe, we will get better and valuable guests for you.

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