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Notes on Podcast Episode: Diet Expert with Pooja Makhija | Figuring Out with Raj Shamani (Episode FO433)
Episode Overview
- Host: Raj Shamani
- Guest: Pooja Makhija (Clinical nutritionist, author, and entrepreneur)
- Main Theme: Discussions about nutrition, weight loss, digestion, sugar cravings, and the Indian diet versus Western diet.
- Purpose: To provide educational insights on dietary habits that can enhance health and well-being.
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Key Topics Discussed
Introduction
- Brief introduction by Raj about the significance of nutrition in achieving the 'Indian Dream'.
- Pooja Makhija's credentials and expertise in nutrition are highlighted.
Understanding Dietary Components
- Wheat and Acidity:
- Discussion on the impact of genetically modified wheat and how increased gluten affects digestion.
- Protein and Carbohydrates:
- Importance of protein in the diet: 73% of Indians are protein deficient.
- Concept of “naked carbs” – carbohydrates consumed without accompanying fiber or protein.
- The necessity of pairing carbohydrates with proteins and fibers to mitigate glucose spikes.
Meal Sequencing
- Order of eating meals can significantly influence blood sugar levels.
- Recommended sequence: Start with vegetables, then protein, and finally carbohydrates to slow down glucose absorption.
Cravings and Eating Behavior
- Biological vs. Emotional Hunger:
- Differentiation between physiological cravings caused by nutrient deficits (particularly protein) and psychological cravings tied to emotions.
- Sugar Addiction:
- Sugar is described as being eight times more addictive than cocaine, creating a societal challenge regarding sugar consumption.
Nutritional Requirements and Myths
- Salt vs. Sugar:
- Discussion on the misconception that salt is harmful and how it is vital for bodily functions.
- Importance of sodium in hydration and its role in preventing sugar cravings.
- Hydration:
- The significance of drinking mineralized water and how dehydration can affect cognitive skills and mood.
Specific Health Conditions and Diet
- Travel Constipation:
- Explanation of how changes in environment during travel affect digestion and bowel movements.
- Long-Haul Flights:
- Recommendations for maintaining health during flights (hydration, omega-3 intake, movement).
Psychological Factors in Eating
- Mental Sharpness and Exercise:
- The relationship between physical activity, mental health, and dietary choices.
- Fake Sleep:
- The dangers of using alcohol for sleep, leading to poor quality rest.
Indian Diet vs. Western Diet
- Pooja argues that the traditional Indian thali is nutritionally balanced and superior to many Western diets.
- Focus on the importance of culturally relevant dietary practices and the benefits of traditional eating patterns.
Celebrity Diets and Discipline
- Insights into the diets of various celebrities and their discipline in maintaining health.
- Contrast between some celebrities’ dedication to health versus others’ more relaxed approaches.
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Key Takeaways
- The importance of protein in the diet cannot be overstated; it is essential for overall health.
- Meal sequencing can help manage blood sugar levels and improve digestion.
- Cravings often stem from nutritional deficiencies, particularly in protein and salt.
- Hydration is crucial, and mineralized water can enhance absorption.
- Cultural dietary practices, particularly in India, hold valuable insights into nutrition and health.
- Sleep quality is essential for overall health and should not be compromised by using substances like alcohol.
Practical Tips
- Aim to include protein in every meal.
- Practice meal sequencing to lower glucose spikes.
- Stay hydrated and consider mineralizing your water.
- Recognize the difference between biological and emotional hunger to better manage cravings.
- Maintain a balanced diet that respects traditional food practices.
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Conclusion Pooja Makhija emphasizes that with the right dietary choices and understanding of nutrition, individuals can significantly improve their health and well-being. The conversation encourages listeners to engage with their dietary habits thoughtfully and to aim for balance in their meals.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00People who don't eat breakfast are 31 % more likely to have belly fat, a 48 % more likely to be overweight and 44 % are likely to be obese. Why do we crave? When your body does not get enough protein, it will manifest as a sugar cream. And most Indians will say, maybe because your protein need was not tanked enough. Interesting. So how do we mineralize it? One small crystal of khadi namak on your tongue and drink it. You will realize that the time between consumption and running to the bathroom has lended. Two, you will realize that you are actually satisfying first. because even 2 % dehydration affects your memory, your mood.
0:40So water is important. In today's episode, we are Pooja Makheeda, clinical nutritionist, author, and entrepreneur. She breaks down how the way we eat can make or break our health. Indian diet versus Western diet, who is better? The Indian thali, the best plate in the world. We always have a little bit of salad, fermented achar, two-pracar ki sabzi. It's a balanced thali. Do you think food addiction is as strong as alcohol addiction in some cases? Sugar is 8 times more addictive than cocaine. You have one more thing which is fake sleep. Most people think that I'm finding it difficult to sleep so I'll take alcohol because that's put me to sleep very easily.
1:20But it disrupts long term sleep. So that's called fake sleep. You've worked with a lot of celebrities also right? Who's the most disciplined one? Shad. Who's the most notorious one? Ranbir when he started was naughty. He was like, Pooja, you're making my mutton, I'm not listening. He also hated my vegetable juice. How should we eat when we are going through a breakup? Burnout crisis. Because this is the time where they'll get addicted to all the wrong things right now. So...
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2:14Okay, I made a bread and wheat. It's been like four or five months ago. Not completely, but maybe in a month, I'll try to eat some types of bread off, wheat off. I only did an experiment. environment my mornings got better like I am in the morning and I used to feel very acidic I would have to eat clean next day I would have to work out very extreme I would go very like feel like pukish so I would have to do extra zero and now I would have to eat a day next day I would have to eat some roti or bread next day I would have to eat some of my stomach something is stuck here now you are listening to your body See, I'll tell you what Because they genetically modified the wheat Wheat was supposed to have 5-6 % gluten But with 5-6 % gluten You can't have the softest breads And the yummiest croissants And the longest shelf life of bakery products So they genetically modified wheat To have anywhere between 10-15 % of gluten Because gluten is what gives carb the elasticity.
3:30So, ata, softer, dhooyer, pizzas, flowier. Why do they become? It's because of gluten. So, they genetically modified it to have more gluten so it can be softer and yummier. Now, our bodies were made to tolerate gluten. So, we have an enzyme that digests it. But with the overload of it, 5 % of it is 15%. So three times more if your body is going to If every time you eat food It's going to have that much gluten The enzyme is exhausted If the enzyme is exhausted You're not digesting it as well If you're not digesting it as well It's causing gas and acidity And acne and angry skin Not because of the wheat But because of the greater content Of gluten in it Sometimes I question also That 25-26 years of my life I was eating all of it Nothing happened I was doing so much Obviously my focus energy everything has increased now but I also feel that it is also because overall I have better life.
4:27So I don't know that it's just like gluten or lactose. It's not just like gluten. If I ask you that the car is only on petrol. So what is it only on petrol? No, it maintains. There are many things. It's a complex system. And this body? Oh my god. This body is a magical machine that God has given us. A magical machine. Self-healing machine. Self-sufficient machine. My body knows how to make everything I need, heal everything that bothers me. However, like any other machine that needs to produce, it needs raw material. And the raw material comes from the food I eat, from the air I breathe, from the water I drink, from the sleep I give it.
5:21So the machine has basic necessities. Basic necessities ka dhyan do. Give the body what the body wants. The body gives you what you want apne haf. See, the basic need of the human body is the same. Our approach, our aspirations, our stimuli may have changed. But this body is the same. and if you want to make the most of this body you have to give it the raw material and raw material will be here so all problems you can pick up any random problem and these 5 things can do the job what are the 5 things? and then I'll go to problems the first one is protein now some say there is over emphasis on protein some say proteins are you know were recommended by the best lawyers everyone thinks proteins are great but proteins are essential okay proteins are not only for the bodybuilders okay proteins are for everything and if your body doesn't have proteins i would call i would call proteins as most essential as your immune factor okay they are like soldiers every time you want to fight a disease you want to stay strong you want to protect yourself from illness repair injury you need proteins okay and 73 % Indians don't get enough protein.
6:45People who have protein once a day consider themselves on a very good protein diet and I've done that as a survey. Ask people, do you eat enough protein? Versus someone who says, you don't eat enough protein and if they have one bowl of dal, they think they're doing the job. But that's not enough. Proteins are required not only for one meal, but they're required in all three main meals. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. And if you're not eating enough protein, you are not giving your body the baseline immune cells to correct whatever is going wrong now whatever that problem may be you call it hair fall you call it low vision you call it colds coughs you call it dental caries you go head to toe okay and you can rectify the problem if there's faster healing and repair okay whether it is acne and skin everything requires to be repaired and repair-based material requires proteins okay and because we are not getting enough we we are loading up more on carbs see there's a plate ratio right and if you're not eating enough protein you will have land up having more carbs in general india is a carb-rich diet okay we do emphasize a lot on our carbs and quite sadly we consume naked carbs naked carbs naked carbs what's that just like you and I can't we don't move about in society without correct clothes okay the trouble with carbs is not the carbs per se it's the naked ones when we forget to dress them up okay how do we dress carbs we dress our clothes we dress our clothes we dress our clothes carbs we dress both ways fiber is fiber protein is fiber fiber means vegetables cooked raw soup salad protein means dals, pulses, legumes, sprouts, chicken, fish ande.
8:35Mostly our carbs are naked. For example, chutney bread. Plain katori poha which is considered extremely healthy. Plain katori pasta which is considered extremely unhealthy but both are naked. Alu paratha. Lemon rice. Carbs just in a suit. Carbs have fiber and protein. Or we do one-sided dressing. We forget to wear the suit Idli sambar Proteins No fiber Vegetable sandwich If you understand the funda Of covering up the carb You are delaying glucose spikes It's just as simple as that Because your carbs and your Your fiber and your protein Requires more time to break down And they hold on And delay gastric emptying Therefore delay surges in your blood sugar levels See all problem occurs when blood glucose levels spike.
9:35Because after a high, there's a crash, then there's a high. So we have to prevent glucose spikes. So most people will say, I'm following an anti-inflammatory diet. What is inflammation? Sugar spikes. Control sugar spikes, control inflammation. So proteins are an essential factor of dressing up your carbs. Because most of us fear carbs. But carbs are your energy givers. And if you don't have enough energy, then how do you accomplish everything in the day? True. Okay, now, you don't want to do it as wheat. You do it as bajra jawari. Is there one carb that is the best choice for everyone? No. You have to listen to your body.
10:16And someone's got a good one. Correct. For example, if you have a bajra suit, I will not suit you. So, is there one universal millet that is the best? No. But you have to figure out how you're dressing them. But even the order in which you eat your food. that itself can also reduce glucose spikes by 40 % in which order it should be it's order it's order it's order it's order it's order it's order it's order right food is order so food it's carbs protein fiber fats are included amongst in all cooking methods so fats come in now Now, how do we usually eat is we take the roti, put the sabzi, dip it in the dal, eat it.
11:06That's our normal khanaka pattern. But there's something known as meal sequencing. Meal sequencing. Okay. Which is the order of eating. Now. What is the right order? The right order is imagine your stomach to be like a wash basin. And your blood levels to be that drain pipe. Okay. If we directly add water in the wash basin, it will flow. If you directly put carbs which are converted to glucose and increase sugar levels, they'll break down and increase your sugar levels. But let's say we choke this up a little bit. So we first put a little bit of fiber, kachi sabzi, which is resistant starch. Resistant starch is food for probiotic but is not digested by us and therefore it doesn't increase my sugar levels.
11:56So you put a little bit of kachi sabzi. It doesn't have to be fancy kale, avocado, salad from expensive places. Kakhdi tomato gajar is also called salad. Okay. A little salad. Then what was your food, 50 % plain. After that, your protein, 50 % plain. Like it is daal or chicken, plain. You've left 50 % subzi, 50 % protein. Now you eat it with your carb, roti or rice. So what you did was you created layers. in your digestive system. So you automatically are dealing the glucose which is there in your carbs to be digested before and the fiber gets digested. Then the protein gets digested and then we touch the carbs.
12:43So this is called as meal sequencing. Khaana vahi, order of eating badal keo. Nice. If you're going to have a love affair, which most people have with food, it becomes like a toxic love affair. Great. You only, do you ever, have you ever heard someone say hi I'm in love with Karela no apart from my mom yeah and me as well or dudeh ki sabzi I crave dudeh ki sabzi no man right so love affairs are always with sugar always with oil yeah because those are the one-sided toxic love affairs for example if you crave a bindi but mama didn't give you bindi and she gave you dudeh it's not that you're going to order the bindi you just preferentially like the bindi But if you are craving a laddu and I give you doodhi, you will order the laddu.
13:34Right? So that's a craving. But this is a preferential choice for perhaps a particular vegetable. Why do we crave things? There is a concept that biological hunger and emotional hunger. Like you crave. Emotional, whenever life is a lot sad, happy, depressed, you go through these emotions. emotions, maybe my face is still good but still I need it. At least on the sad days, I need this sugar now. I crave it. Why do we crave? So if you're calling it a physiological craving, see there are two types of cravings like you said, physiological and psychological. Most cravings are psychological habits we have created.
14:21Okay. Because per se, society has taught us that food is a beautiful emotional distraction. Up upset, eat. Dukhi, eat. Sukhi, eat. Lonely, eat. Celebrating, eat. Crying, eat. Because food is the center of our universe. Okay. Okay, and you have had previous associations with such. For example,
15:03So these are associations. So our mind works like a jukebox. So the minute I am upset or lonely, When I was upset in my childhood, my mom gave me a chocolate and it made me feel good. So the body says, you're feeling lonely? Jokebox, eat the chocolate, feel good. So these are habits that I have created over. So that's why there's psychological cravings. There are physiological cravings. But physiological sugar cravings are actually hidden manifestations of protein or salt. okay okay when your body does not get enough protein it will manifest as a sugar craving your body is actually asking you for more protein but you will crave more sugar lack of protein because you're craving sugar yeah yes it has happened with me happens with me almost every month.
16:12It's a very, very important point to remember for most Indians because we are not eating enough protein. And most Indians will say, lunch after lunch, a little meat. Then ask, it will go on a little bit, but give it a little meat. Maybe because your protein was not tanked enough, was not satisfied enough, you could reach out for that sugar. We are the diabetes capital of the world. is it because we are also 73 % lesser in our protein intake? Is that the correlation? Forget the thrifty gene. Physiologically, there are two deficiencies that your body is actually trying to overcome. One protein physiologically and the second one is salt.
16:54We told us this white substance is toxic, dangerous for your heart and we were told it is salt which was the biggest lie. salt is not causing you to get high blood pressure, heart attacks or water retention salt or sodium is an essential mineral required by our body but overeating can cause all of these things right can contribute to all of these things overeating salt no overeating sugar can cause all of this overeating sugar is horrible under eating sugar is horrible salt Salt was demonized and sugar was said it's okay. The whole root of the problem was the sugar. Okay, think about it. Someone gets a stroke.
17:44Someone gets a heart attack. Or someone is just collapsed out of we don't know what. Rushed him in an ambulance. Without talking to any doctors, without knowing medical history, what's the first thing? Saline. Saline. What is that? Saline. What is saline? Glucose also? Glucose also. Saline. N-S. N-A-C. Saline. What is saline? 9 ,000 mg of sodium. Why? Because sodium reduces BP. Even for a person who has got a stroke, they will first give you saline. And sometimes they do a push, which is 2 units of saline, which is 18 ,000 mg of sodium. because your body requires sodium to kickstart the water that is being held, the kidneys to filter, the heart to pump.
18:40Sodium is not the culprit. It was demonized so that sugar could shine and diseases could flourish. Yes, sadly. Salt never was, never ill. If you have excess salt, it will come out in your urine. If you have excess sugar, does it just come out in your urine? it gets stored as fat it gets stored as fat that's the sad truth salt that salt is very essential and the lesser salt you have now what is the physiological pathway of salt to sugar because sodium is so essential your kidneys have to go into an overdrive to reabsorb it if we don't eat enough salt we have to reabsorb this now the kidneys can only reabsorb sodium when the brain tells the pancreas that insulin is going to increase because insulin helps the kidneys to reabsorb the sodium.
19:31But as soon as the insulin increases, what happens to sugar? It absorbs the sugar. So it utilizes the sugar. So the sugar goes down. Sugar goes down. I'm hungry. My sugar is dropping. I will land up eating more sugar. What did the body actually need? Salt. Salt and proteins. Yeah. So the minute you give yourself enough salt, you will realize that your body does not need that sugar. Interesting. And salt is as essential to drink, not generalized salt has to be there. Okay. Do not, please do not switch all your iodized namak to pink salt. It's dangerous because iodine is very important for your thyroid and thyroid is your mother organ.
20:17Cooking should be done with iodized namak. Okay. But with every glass of water, you have to put a little crystal of kadi namak, pink salt, rock salt onto your tongue and then drink water. But you don't need only water. You need mineral water. Originally, what were we meant to drink? Water running down the streams, passing through the rocks, mineralizing it to give us what our body needs, which is mineral water. But then came pollution and industrialization. and we dirtied the water. So we needed filters and then we needed better filters and better filters and better filters. And now we have lovely filters that takes away all the impurities, but also all the minerals.
21:05What we are left with is just chemical H2O. Two units of hydrogen with one unit of oxygen. Now that's not the water my body can use. That's why I drink this water. It goes from my mouth to my tummy, to my bladder, to the pot. So the minute I tell people you need about, adults need about two to three liters of water on a daily basis, like Pooja, I'm constantly sitting in the bathroom. Why are you constantly sitting in the bathroom? It's because we're having plain water. The minute you mineralize the water, the water actually gets absorbed, goes intracellular. It doesn't need extracellular water.
21:43It has to go inside the cells to do the job. When the water takes its journey of moving intracellular, then excreted then goes to the bladder this passage of drinking and going to the bathroom is far longer than when it is had plain so how do we mineralize it? one small crystal of khadi namak on your tongue and drink it drink a glass of water what difference is if I have okay let's try this for a week and in one week I have kept a khadi namak and started drinking water I drank a lot of water so now I have started what difference is in my body what will I see what will I feel? Firstly you will realize that the time between consumption and running to the bathroom has lengthened.
22:26Okay. One. Two, you will realize that you are actually satisfying first. You know sometimes people will tell you I drink a lot of water but I'm always thirsty. I am like that person. So because your body is asking you for the minerals with it. Because you're not actually quenching what the body wants. Okay because dehydration is real. okay when you get the sensation of thirst your body is already 40 % dehydrated okay we don't want to get the sensation of thirst because even 2 % dehydration affects your cognitive skills your memory your mood your recollecting ability even 2 % dehydration so water is important so the things you will notice is all of your cognitive skills will always be sharp because you're hydrating to what the body wants.
23:18I told you this is a self-healing body. Okay. But it needs things the way it was meant to be given. So these are the two changes. What else? Major two changes I'll see. Yeah. I'll try it and for a week and I'll tell you. Done. You will definitely see. You will also notice your sugar cravings going down because your body will get the sodium mineral that it needs. But my sugar cravings anyway go down when I'm working out a lot and I'm taking enough protein in my meals and everywhere. Proteins can do magic. Like it just if I am, if I am in my meal, if there is some protein and my diet is clean, I've noticed I have zero sugar craving.
23:54On the days when I'm traveling and I'm there and I'm sleeping a lot, stressful days that day, when I'm not eating I don't eat anything, that day it's just like at night I want something sugary. No, that's because your body is in survival mode. See remember we don't eat food because I'm a nutritionist and you're not we eat food because if you're not going to eat food we're going to die so when the body has not got what it wants it's going to raise an alarm and it's going to say I need glucose directly and then you're not going to say oh I will eat I will eat a protein that will become sugar or I will eat a tomato that will become instant chai instant chai high sugar high fat high salt okay that's that's what satisfies a craving then so that's the key idea behind even people who don't eat breakfast you heard of There was a meta-analysis of 45 different observation studies that found that people who don't eat breakfast, breakfast skippers, are 31 % more likely to have belly fat, 48 % more likely to be overweight, and 44 % more likely to be obese just by skipping breakfast.
25:02Now, what you said was when I have a day of not eating well, I will crave sugar. Most breakfast eaters, skippers, are doing just that. They're not front-loading their nutritional intake. They are leaving a void. And therefore, in the night, when the world is sleeping, and ordering is easy, and opening the fridge and finishing whatever is left is easy, that's when you will reach out for the wrong foods. Yeah. True. You'll reach out for the wrong foods. Yes. But you were talking about thrifty genes. Yes. Why do we crave sugar in first place? Why do we crave certain things? What happens with thrifty genes?
25:47So thrifty gene is a gift we have been given by the British Raj. Okay. Not only did they take a lot of our resources and our wealth, but they also left a lot of diseases in our bank. Okay, how does that go? is because of the massive famines our ancestors went through. Okay. We had the Great Bengal famine in 1770s. We had a Madras famine in 1870s. So, because of the massive famines our ancestors went through, our body biologically changed to become more storers than burners. So, bio... If you don't get food, then adapt. Because of the massive famines, Because they took all our food and sent it away.
26:38Their food policing and the way they governed us. And they took away all the food crops. So we didn't have enough to eat. So our bodies evolved biologically to become storers. Which is why we have more belly fat. Which is why we are also called as skinny Indians. Skinny fat people. Or they also call us as a toffee phenotype. Toffee is thin outside, fat inside. Okay, so we have more visceral fat, lesser lean muscle mass, greater insulin resistance and therefore genetically prone to being diabetic, to having cardiovascular disease. if you compare even Indians staying in the West. And so they've had the same lifestyle, right?
27:30But it's the genetic play that is making them more prone to cardiovascular diseases, high blood pressure and diabetes, although they don't live in India. They live in the West. They're eating the same diets as the Caucasians. But because of our phenotype, because of our genetic mutations that have occurred over the years, we are skinny fat people. But also because our infrastructure is all junk food. Like from morning to night, all we eat is just junk. Fried food, junk food, day in and day out. That's what. So the famines made us to rest. And then in today's world, there is no shortage. There's only surplus.
28:05There's surplus of everything. So we are not moving as much as we moved, but we are eating far more. And of course, we are eating convenience foods because we are not cooking our meals. the simple truth is the more we eat of what God made the healthier we will be but the more we eat of what man makes the unhealthier we will be true because you're talking about storer, craving all of these things sometimes psychologically if my mood is different then I don't feel like a lot let's say when you're sad why does that happen then because I crave more food I should eat more because I'm going through emotional if you said that you were sad you were bad or you were dropped you gave me chocolate now you're bad I'm sad I'm going through let's say a heartbreak or bad day failure, rejection you don't want to eat anything just don't talk why does that happen Why do you feel sad when you're sad?
29:14Because different people process anxiety in different ways. Okay, you have two hormones. Ghrelin and leptin. Ghrelin is your bhoog hormone. You will say it's a bhoog. Leptin is your shashayati or peetbara hua hai. Most people have a skewed leptin to ghrelin ratio. Of course, lack of sleep skews it. Okay. But sometimes emotionally when we are Like some people, when they're emotionally sad, can only think of food. And some people can't think of food. That's emotionally how you are as a person. And it has a lot to do with your leptin ghrelin. Perhaps in your case, when you're sad, your ghrelin goes to sleep and your leptin is your happy shashiety hormone.
30:02I'm not hungry. but in someone else's case the anxiety and the sadness or the it causes the ghrelin to not stop only or leptin is completely so leptin is not giving the ghrelin, it's not giving the ghrelin it's not giving the ghrelin, it's not giving the ghrelin so that depends from different person to person it's not a stereotype it's not everybody forgets hunger it's not everybody only eats to distract themselves it depends on person to person but you have, this body is fully scientific. Okay, so excess food, excess food. These are all signs. Your body is trying to tell you something. Okay, we have to learn how to listen to these signs of the body.
30:43True. I did my epigenetics test. And it came out that my satiety level is very poor. Satiety level is very poor. It means that your leptin is low. I eat it and I don't know how to my body is getting it. Just you keep eating. And to me that was fascinating because that's true. How many hours of sleep do you get? Very rare. There you go. Very rare. Four or five hours a day. You don't have genetics, darling. A night. These are not genetics. This is lifestyle. Okay. We'd like to blame everything on genetics. And we'll say, oh, I was born like this. I'm sorry. Your lifestyle is 70 % of the predictor of how you're going to age.
31:23It's not your genetics that's going to do it. Genetics is a predisposition. so the fact that your leptin was low and if you sleep less your leptin can't be there your ghrelin is going to be angry and up there so your shashayati value you're not going to feel full that's because you haven't slept enough that's a very simple ratio see man has been able to achieve everything okay we can FaceTime oh my god like my nani couldn't believe you know like she was talking to her daughter who was in America when the first time she FaceTimed the joy was to see my nani's face that how can it happen in her time she was trying to call her and then now like this but have we been able to replace sleep the minute you're going to sleep less everything in your body goes away absolutely everything your fat metabolism the speed at which you lose weight your chances of getting osteoporosis 6 hours of sleep on a daily basis versus 7 and 8 you're 40 % more likely to get fractures and osteoporosis ok so statistically every time you are sleeping less you're asking for more trouble and if you are chronically sleep deprived your all cause mortality rate is shooting up so when we are trying to reach for the stars darling You can't compromise on sleep.
32:57That's one thing that is a non-negotiable. If you wear a continuous glucose monitor and you sleep six hours, you have the same breakfast. You check your sugar spike. You sleep seven hours. Same time, same breakfast. Check your sugar spike. You sleep eight hours. Same time, same breakfast. Check your sugar spike. Interesting. you will never in your life ever think that sleep is a challenge I should do that that'll be interesting to see and there are studies done on this beautiful studies done, they took same subjects same breakfast similar sleep conditions pre-sleep conditions, sleep conditions ACVC, they all controlled and they gave those same 100 subjects 6 hours of sleep 7 hours of sleep, 8 hours of sleep nice It's, these studies are, see for me everything has to be evidence and study based.
33:55If you can show me a classic study that is peer reviewed and it is, or perhaps it's an observational study which of 45 or 50 other studies, I'm sold. But in India our infrastructure is such that we end up becoming addicted to food. Do you think food addiction is as strong as alcohol addiction at some cases? Sugar is eight times more addictive than cocaine.
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34:22how do people get addicted to this one bite but if you tell someone I love sugar versus if I tell you I love cocaine or I'm addicted to cocaine why do we look down on cocaine addiction because we know it's bad for us but sugar addiction I have a sweet tooth I'm good you better word to do I have sugar cravings. We just give ourselves these labels. But actually it's an addiction. Because sugar hits the same dopamine centers in our brain as does cocaine. It's a reward system. And sugar is eight times more addictive than cocaine. So I should be looking at someone who's saying I'm addicted to sugar eight times worse than when I look at someone who says I have a cocaine addiction.
35:15but we don't we just take it lightly we just take it oh I'll learn I'll change I'll try it's not that if you if you teach people the right way to look at certain foods and certain nutrients and certain subsets of food you can change that yeah you can change that and then people when they are going through an emotional slump when they are at low they get addicted to substances even more and that's how they get addicted to sugar as well here's a question
35:47how should we eat when we are going through a breakup how should we eat when we are going through a burnout how should we eat when we are going through a crisis okay what should we do because this is the time where they will get addicted to all the wrong things right now okay so when we are already downhill okay the trouble with the meal plan becomes is not that is not the fact that we we are we had planned to fail in our eating it's the lack of planning that caused us to fail okay so when you are already downhill or in a crisis the first thing you do is literally make out a 10-day cyclic menu sit down with someone who's not in that same downhill slope like you okay okay if you have uh the privilege of a nutritionist or a friend who knows a little bit bravo otherwise just sit down with a friend just use ai chat gpt fair enough fair enough give a 10 day detailed cyclic menu breakfast lunch and dinner put it up on the fridge give it to the chef if you have a privilege of a help give it to mom give it to a give it to your spouse whoever that this is the way i'm going to eat don't ask me questions even if I don't, I have planned it.
37:10So I will shut up and eat it. I'm not going to crib. I'm not going to this thing. Put these meals in front of me. Let's hope my downhill gets better. That's the I would say that's the only thing that you can do. Because if you're going to live moment to moment, meal to meal, it's one bad choice over the other. Because if you made one bad choice, then you'll say it's a reward and punishment cycle, right? So if you've cheated, then you'll want to punish yourself and say, Who said to eat two lardus for two lardus? Don't eat six hours for six hours. Because we as humans tend to do that, right? You cheated, now punish yourself for it.
37:43Oh, six hours I was good. Let's reward myself with one lardu. So it's that vicious loop. But if everything is planned in front of you, you have planned it, you have prepped it, the food is there in front of you. If you eat the right food at the right time, you're far less likely to pick up the wrong food at the wrong time. Tell me top five right foods or good foods to eat during crisis when you're low your energy is down you're craving almost everything i would definitely eat my protein okay because it'll keep my sugar cravings down i would definitely eat good fats because then my stomach is full longer i would definitely eat higher magnesium rich foods because magnesium helps you calm down lullabies you to better sleep anxiety and anxiousness becomes better so magnesium rich foods could be seeds nuts they're all magnesium rich they're also good fat rich so they go together i would ensure that my hydration is good because i don't want to confuse thirst and hunger because your thirst and hunger centers are so close together in your brain that 90 percent of the time when you think you're thirsty when you think you're hungry you're actually thirsty so i would ensure that my water intake is checked off so that my food and
39:00and five I would do a little bit of love or comfort eating see because you are going through let's say a batch and food at the end of the day is emotional yeah okay now to say I will go through that loss and I will still be a saint is a tad bit difficult so give yourself a little bit of leeway see one meal a day or less than that? One small cheat. One small cheat. See, remember, every bite is information. We all know the importance of information in today's time and age. I want to give my body majority of the time good information. But because of my discomfort or anxiety, give a little bit of naughty information.
39:46Okay? But majority is good so that I'm able to get out of this problem faster. But when majority of the information given is wrong because of comfort eating, you are slower to process this loss or this sadness or this anxiety so it'll take you longer to get out of it if you have given the body the right tools to get out of it you will get out of it faster you'll find a you'll find that light of ray or that silver lining because your body was equipped to finding it this is a self-healing machine all of these moments when you're going when emotional eating is high when you are depressed, sad, tough all of these days, emotional eating is high then mental sharpness also depletes.
40:34So tell me top 5 foods I should eat for mental sharpness. Most of us associate mental alertness to a stronger brain. Okay. But where are your neurotransmitters? Gut. Okay, so it's not these are not brain foods. you have to eat gut friendly foods because for every one signal that the brain sends the gut the gut is sending nine signals back to the brain so your eating can control your mental sharpness to an extreme level but if you are dehydrated if you are protein malnourished if you are eating more sugar lack of sleep, lack of exercise see I will tell you what you can that talk in different formats in different formats same five principles you can apply you can help yourself see that's the magic see a manual this could be that just a simple manual you're looking at muscle cramps look at these you're looking at headaches you're looking at digestive issues you're looking at anxiety memory look at these it's literally magical the application which is exercise non-negotiable because exercise because just like diabetes is a disease being sedentary is a disease yeah okay and how you age depends largely on how you move true and 50 percent of india does not move our physical activity levels 50 % of us urban population are not moving okay women are far more inactive than men and therefore obesity rates are equivalent they did a study between Pune, Mumbai, Chennai six out of ten people are physically inactive and physical inactivity is equal to inadequate aging it's a disease and that's what we have to highlight most people thing exercise is just a way to look good okay when I want to look good but how you look as benefits of exercise is a dot compared to everything else that exercise helps you with mental alertness everything every organ of yours benefits from exercise far more than just your weight okay far more than just your weight so if you learn and when we say physical activity it's movement it's strength training because to make sure that your bones can take this see our body is magnificent but it's actually a skeletal mass and we are ignoring the skeletal structure because our bones are not they're they're a live tissue they're not cement like most people think that they're cement.
43:39They're not. It's a live tissue. And it's made up of osteoblasts, which make and build and osteoclasts, which break bones. And if you don't put weights, or you don't put pressure on your bones, the osteoclasts are anyways doing their job. Because aging causes hormonal changes, insulin resistance, all of those which are anyways making osteoclasts, your breaking cells far more active than your building cells. So if you're not going to do some strength training to activate the blasts, you're just going to be a melting frame. You know, there was one very interesting statistic I read which said it takes 400 repetitions to make a new memory.
44:25Okay? 400 repetitions of anything. But if you do it in play, it only requires 10 to 20 repetitions which is the great saga behind how kids know the wordings of all their lovely songs but can't remember three theorems or definitions, why? Because this is said a lot but 400 times the song has listened 10 times and all the lyrics are closed because it's done in play because it's done in play so if we learn how to do an activity in play, enjoy the exercise instead of a trainer sitting on your head and giving you instructions. If there's any form of movement that you enjoy, that in itself for you is not being sedentary.
45:16Tell me, compare Indian diet versus Western diet. Who is better? Indian. Indian diet is better? Why? How? What? Classic Indian. Classic Indian diet is how your grandparents ate. Okay. Tell me key differences. So I've said this multiple times over multiple forums that if India's invested money to do a... See, right now, if you Google best diet in the world, I got Mediterranean. But look at the Mediterranean diet to us. Very similar. Very, very similar. The Indian thali literally can be an example of the best plate in the world. Look at the Indian thali. We always have a little bit of salad. always have a little bit of fermented achar which is today called probiotics will have at least 2-part sabzi 1-2-part daal or chicken will have carbs carbs are there I'm not saying that carbs are there but it's a balanced thali and if you sit in that thali where they serve it in this order you remember I taught you meal sequencing so when we sit down on a leaf and they come and sequence it for you they actually give it to you in the same format so there is always logic behind what our ancestors have done see if you pick up any trend where has it come from you call it yoga you call it meditation you call it
46:50turmeric lattes where did it come from it's our Vedas and our culturally, we were nutritionally a very apt community. Till we thought that this our house is too boring. Let's ape the West. Let's see convenience. Let's see packaging. Let's see two-minute foods. That's where the trouble arise. If we go back to how our thali was made, our thali is marvelously healthy. Our thali follows, our ancestors have followed what today science will call chronobiology. What is chronobiology? What our ancestors have always done. Sunrise pattern, sunset pattern. Biggest meal is breakfast, smallest meal is dinner.
47:35Always told to us. Today science does studies and researches and calls it chronobiology and then we follow the same thing. Okay, so there was a very interesting study that they did. They took 100 obese women, gave them an isocaloric diet. Isocaloric but divided according to chronobiology. Big breakfast, 700 calories. Small lunch, 500 calories. Smallest dinner, 200 calories. King, prince, popper. Like our dadi said. And then they took group 2. Isocaloric, same calories. But reverse. 200 calorie breakfast, 500 calorie lunch, 700 calorie dinner. Both groups were given for 12 weeks this diet. Group 1 lost double the weight as group 2.
48:23Chronobiology is something that we have been told to do our whole lives. Culturally, us. So when you say which diet is best, if we go back and we do it, we have really our ancestors had masters and BSc and PhDs in nutrition even without doing basic nutrition. But is it different in the North and the South? everywhere is it like North Indian gut is different than South Indian gut the things which South Indian will be able to easily digest and North Indian won't be able to and vice versa yeah because this is all again genes right the Dravidians then classic Indian diet will not seem to be different for all our vegetables will be different our carbs will be different our thali division will be similar if there is fermented iddly dosa there will be roti there will be rice the carb will vary the method of preparing the doodi ki sabzi or karele ki sabzi will be different but are there any major differences between a North Indian and South Indian?
49:29I would classify it to taste, nothing else because in general taste and preferences it's not that oh biologically there's nothing or evolutionary because there's so many years, so many things so many years, the only thing that we have all in common is our thrifty gene our tendency to be storers that's all we have to remember that's why we have to move more that's why our emphasis on physical activity has to be more okay I was going through your Instagram okay and I found out bunch of concepts which were pretty unique for me so I wanted to talk about that and I want to ask you what are these I didn't purposely I didn't open those videos because I was like I'm going to ask you in detail about these things okay so first was travel constipation what's this?
50:16See when your when your environment changes your body's responses change okay when now when we are traveling everything goes hey-wire right your time zones change your water changes your food habits change your sleep timings and your sleep quality changes yeah now all of these have a direct correlation to how your bowels move because your bowels follow an H-M-F rule H for hydration, 3 liters, 2 to 3 liters. M for movement, 60 minutes of your movement for proper peristaltic movement of your bowel movement. And F is for fiber, which is your vegetables and your fruits. Now, when we travel, the HMF goes out of toss.
51:05And your sleep goes out of toss. So So automatically your bowel movements go out of trust and therefore came the interesting word of coining it as travel constipation. Okay. See they are basic fundas. So then what we do? How do we fix it? Hydration, movement and fiber. Don't forget your water. See when you're traveling you will you'll end up paying more for water than in some countries you'll end up paying more for water than beer. Yeah. You're up in countries most of them. So no water is not drinking. focus not doing oh my god 3 euro so we are not drinking enough water we have to focus on your water movement it's going to be it's not one day because of long flights it's not one day but once you're in Europe you have to walk far more than what you walk in Bombay so movement and you just have to include your fiber because their fiber is quite negligible see aat hali has a lot of vegetables they'll put two pieces of broccoli and call it fiber and if you call for an extra plate of vegetables I call for a pizza with extra vegetables they gave me a plate of aubergine as vegetables I was like okay their obsession with eggplant needs to be studied right now especially all these European countries imagine I ordered a pizza and they gave me aubergine imagine the combo they eat vegetarian pizza if you ask aubergine is like just there It's just very high culinary value.
52:39Whatever that is. Okay. Biggest travel we're talking. Tell me a flight, long flight travel routine. Okay. Tonight I'm taking a 23 hour flight. Wow. Okay. So firstly, because of the altitude, your cabin has lesser oxygen. Okay. So lesser oxygen means more inflammation. so what I would do is at least make sure that your omega-3s are at a 2000 so take a 2000 milligrams of omega see because you have to prevent this 23 hours of inflammation yeah to not trouble your body if you make sure of that then when you land jet lag becomes better to tackle so first I would ensure at least 2000 milligrams of omegas to keep my inflammation low because of the low oxygen which is going to be inside the cabin okay okay two it is massively dehydrating to be up there.
53:31It's leeching out literally a liter of water every three hours if I'm right. So make sure you're hydrating that much. Like drinking a lot of water. Water with salt. Not just water. So water with salt. So make sure that you're electrolyting your water. Stay away from the alcohol. I don't drink alcohol. As much as it may be tempting to be in whatever class. I don't drink alcohol in life only. best drink to have on a flight is a virgin mary okay because it's tomato juice which reduces inflammation it has salt and pepper which gives you the electrolytes it has a dash of spice because there's a very interesting study i read which says that our palate the taste buds are reduced to 50%.
54:22Okay. You see, flight food is always more flavored so that you find it tasty. Even the flight snacks will always be more flavored so that you find them tasty because A, because of dehydration. Yeah. Because of dehydration up there and because our taste buds have become less receptive, we are not being able to taste our food very well. Yeah. And that's why it's high sodium and that's why it's tastier. Yeah. We call it the Onami so there are five taste buds okay and there's one onami, onamis which is there in soya sauce and all of these, they are intact, onami, sweet, salt bitter, they are all reduced, that's why onami or most of, most flight food will have higher onami factors it was very interesting I like flight food by the way because of this only maybe because they make it more flavorful they are trying to make it more flavorful and sleep as much as you can that's the best time to catch up your thoughts are anyways going to be lesser because there's lesser oxygen lesser hydration thoughts will be closed you know also there was a very interesting study that I read this less oxygen this less hydration makes you more emotional notice that that movie you will see in flight you will be more versus if you have seen it at home interesting right you tend to become more emotional up there wow I've never noticed but I'll try to notice notice otherwise just keep the focus on the hydration I enjoy comedy movies a lot when I'm in flight so probably that emotion is bumping up but not like sad emotion fair enough I'm more of that rom-com girl so I will watch I will watch that movie and then I'll be like oh
56:06interesting but and of course movement if you will drink enough water you will get up that many times to go to the bathroom so the movement always happens before you hit the loo take 2-3 chakras of the aisle and then go to the bathroom before you go back to your seat take 2-3 chakras of the aisle and then go back to your seat that automatically helps yeah you have a lucky girl syndrome what does that mean? okay so we have a part in our brain that is the filter through which most thought processes filter okay I forget the technical name okay but that's the part in the amygdala which which wakes up in the morning and you start the filter for that so if you wake up in the morning saying wow, today I've woken up fresh and today is going to be a lovely day.
56:53So the body picks up all thought processes that are lovely, happy, make sunshine, make the most of the day. So you tell the brain what to pick. And our brain is attacked with literally tens and thousands of bytes of information every second, out of which it can only pick up some 30 or 35. So that entry point in your amygdala tells your brain, what is it that she wanted today? I woke up saying, slept so badly. I have a headache. So the thought processes then filter through, I'm bad. But when you wake up saying, I'm the lucky girl. God is kind. Everything is there, hariyom, happy, morning you are inducing what the brain has to filter so if you filter happiness automatically you are a lucky girl so it's just that syndrome that you induce to have everyday as a happy day.
57:53Yeah and there are a lot of studies proven which have proven these things I told you I'm a girl of studies and science so if this is a syndrome that we just discussed, it wasn't something that would be on my page. But because the study clinically showed how I can literally filter my thoughts to those to give me that syndrome, then I'm going to call myself that lucky girl. There was an experiment I was reading on the same thing that there were two groups of people, both were given the same newspaper and they were asked to find specific words. And one group, they felt that they were the ones who used to feel lucky.
58:31The other one was like, we don't feel lucky. they were given the same newspaper and the ones who felt they were unlucky they didn't find those words and the ones who thought they're lucky they found those words in much lesser time yeah because your brain is filtering it's getting like tens of thousands of bytes of information every second and then from there it filters that's how magical this machine is but are we loving it and respecting it to its due course? that's the question we have to ask ourselves that we have been given this magnificent body are we loving it and respecting it so that was a very interesting saying that said you can have 99 problems till you have a health problem and then you only have one problem true because if one part of our body refuses to work when we wake up this morning how difficult is it how difficult is it but this body is cleaning, filtering, detoxing, autophagy gande cells nikaalo, nahi cells binao ye chot hai self healing I don't have to do anything you have one more thing which is fake sleep connection with sleep what is fake sleep most people think that I'm finding it difficult to sleep so I'll take alcohol because that put me to sleep very easily because alcohol does that people do that?
59:53yeah so many people do that I need a drink because I can't sleep okay so alcohol definitely induces faster sleep but it disrupts long-term sleep or REM sleep so that's called fake sleep so when you use alcohol to fall asleep faster but are not getting the quality of sleep while you're sleeping that's why in the morning you'll still wake up tired so you had extra to drink or you had one drink to drink whatever and you knocked off but when you wake up in the night you're still tired. That's because you slept but fake slept. And many people sadly are using the crutch of alcohol to say let me stop my mind, let me allow my gum, let me just fall asleep.
1:00:38And that's fake sleep. How would people do that with marijuana and cigarettes and other things as well? All forms of intoxication, trying to make their brain shut down by forceful unhealthy measures to fall asleep but then clearly they are affecting the quantity and quality of overall sleep see when you sleep you have to wake up like a bull ready to charge when you're not doing that is because there's something amiss yeah you are sleeping but you're not rested true and there was one last thing which i wanted to cover was health routine for summers winters and monsoons this is different summer diet different monsoon diet different winters different in winters we tend to forget water okay that's why we somehow say winter it feels like it's not it feels like but the weather made you forget thirst so you confuse the two similar thing happens in monsoons because we see so much water we forget to drink the water okay so that's why the focus changes because our environment is stimuli right when when the stimulus is more and more water, we somehow confuse the two.
1:01:49Of course, in summer, we are losing that much water. But if you're not doing mineral water, then again, you're not hydrating yourself well enough. And also in summers, because of the excessive heat on the outside, foods which are easier to digest just accelerates metabolism. So instead of having pakao haana, the more you have sauteed or kacha haana, it's easier for your body to digest it. so instead of having the same dal chawal sabzi if you make it like a sprouted salad with some carbs in it you had the same dal chawal sabzi but you just had it in another form a spoon of dhai in it some chaat masala in it it's cold it tends to like you could just put cold rice in it like a cold curd rice with tons of sprouts and veggies it's automatically a more delicious meal that you will enjoy in summers versus eating in winters and in winters we tend to have more comfort with warmer foods okay therefore the soups and therefore the hot curries are satisfying that's why that's why winter foods will be more things that are warm stimuli and just changes in the environment in Mumbai we have to keep hot in Mumbai we have to keep all hot we have to keep all hot our winter is not just for showing but our winter is open I'm very happy to wear a couple of nits.
1:03:10I'm very happy to wear a couple of nits. I'm very happy to wear a couple of nits. Bombay weather is hardly any change in winters. Like this is colder than the winters right now. True that. I was warned. I was warned. But I was like okay. Because thundi is difficult to then process mind thought because you're all constantly distracted with the peripheral blood flow trying to keep me warm here. you've worked with a lot of celebrities also you work with a lot of them who's the most disciplined one when it comes to food to the team he can eat the same food and he has things in very simple formats, he's not a very fancy guy if he'll have ragi ka steamed ball, he'll have it everyday for lunch for days and months and weeks and he doesn't get bored so he is diligent even Deepika very diligent that's why she is see I'll tell you what people just have awe of celebrities okay but they don't see the hard work these guys do the boring monotonous regimes they follow for weeks and months to get that look it's not just it's not just of course talent is gifted but how they have to look for a particular role they really work hard Ishaan Kattar works so hard to look that look because it means something to them and all that is hard work it's not just a magic wand it's hard work and that's why they are who they are so we aspire to be like them but if we work as hard as them we will you know because this very interesting theory that I came across that said, looking a particular way, like you said, celebrities like, or losing weight or being healthy or being skinny is rented, not owned.
1:05:19And the rent is due every day. Just you have to follow the same route to stay that way. okay it's rented it's not owned by you you can't put your feet up and say cool done dusted and every celebrity does that as religion to be who they are they pay their dues to be who they are which is why they shine true who's the most notorious one who do you think is the one who's like little things don't do Ranbir when he started was naughty he was like Pooja, you're making my mutton I won't listen to it he also hated my vegetable juice and said I won't drink it but then a couple of years later I met Neetu and she's like Pooja, he doesn't go a day without his vegetable juice not a day I don't know what he's doing today but yes so some amount of naughtiness of badmashi is there in everyone what's there in vegetable juice which you didn't like it's not the best tasting juice right give me Ranbir Kapoor vegetable juice it's three colors of vegetables it's any three colors of vegetables put into a mixi with a little bit of water it could be carrot, tomato, beet, spinach bell peppers doodi any three colors of subzi in your fridge put it into the mixi, little bit of water blend, strain, put 50 % roughage back nimbu, kala namak, slurp yes it won't taste good one time it won't taste good two times but like i said a habit takes 400 attempts if you make faces and have it or 10 attempts if you say i will and this is going to do me good it's going to make my skin good it's going to make my eyesight good it's going to make my digestion good it's going to make my bowel movements good and in 10 tries you will love the vegetable juice yeah yeah so you have to acquire the taste like the first time someone taste vodka they don't like it I don't know but I I'm just saying yeah okay but pee pee we can't forget we can't stop drinking same thing with the vegetable juice you don't start to like it I used to hate my morning juice every morning I have the same juice that I drink celery cucumber beet spinach moringa so that's a vegetable juice every day I drink that the same thing that's a vegetable juice and now I started liking it like now if I don't start with it my day goes bad that oh something was missing yeah something A good health factor, a good feel good factor was missing.
1:08:00It still tastes horrible. But now like my body needs, my body craves it in the morning, that first thing I need it. Yeah, because your body likes it. It's not the tastiest thing in the world, but it's giving your body what the body wants. So therefore you are enjoying it. So that's a perfect glass of vegetable juice. Now, had you put even one fruit in it to make it sweet, I would have said that's not the smartest. But you are doing it just perfect. So that's your glass of vegetable juice. And see, you automatically just love it. Because your body needs it. So you're liking it. Goal goba ke aap koi bi problem pakar lo.
1:08:34The solution is the same. Protein, exercise, sleep, right food and? No, that's what I was saying. No, we didn't do the last one which is target nutrient. So for every purpose there is one target nutrient that will have to be focused on. For example, for bloating it's salt that's the target nutrient for anxiety depression it's magnesium for better sugar balance while you're diabetic it could be chromium piconylate for better immunity it could be zinc for better for better lesser blocked sinuses it could be curcumin and vitamin C. For lesser inflammation, it could be omega-3s. So there will be a target nutrient that can change.
1:09:30So as long as the basic diet is taken care of, then you give that one target nutrient for one specific purpose and you can help that. That's the target nutrient. Well, thank you so much. My pleasure. Thank you for coming here and doing this and explaining the fundamentals. Perfect. And I hope... And the memory thing is stuck with me. I'm going to use it and exploit it to the T. I just love it. That's just something which is... In your case, the memory thing, in some other listeners' case, something that connects with them to be able to enjoy this journey called life and most importantly, enjoy the process in becoming, then it's called mission accomplished.
1:10:15Yeah. Because every person has every person has been put on this earth for a reason. Okay? And I think my reason is to make people realize that with very small changes you can get very big results from this body because you have been gifted this marvelous machine and all we have to do is love and respect it and then it loves and respects us for the rest of our lives. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you so much for watching this episode end to see you. Now you have to do three things. First of all, subscribe to this channel because as much as you subscribe will be better and valuable guests we will get you for.
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(00:00) - Introduction
(02:14) - Wheat and Acidity
(06:05) - Protein and Carbohydrates
(08:02) - Understanding “Naked Carbs”
(11:13) - Meal Sequencing
(13:41) - Why We Experience Cravings
(17:20) - Salt vs. Sugar
(22:00) - How to Mineralise Water & Reduce Sugar Cravings
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(29:00) - Why Hunger Disappears When We’re Sad & The Role of Sleep
(34:14) - Food Addiction and Its Causes
(35:56) - What to Eat After a Breakup or During Burnout
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(45:19) - Indian Diet vs. Western Diet
(50:16) - What Is Travel Constipation?
(52:45) - Long-Haul Flights: Food and Routine
(56:26) - What Is “Lucky Girl Syndrome”?
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(1:09:44) - Closing Thoughts
(1:10:45) - Outro
In today’s episode, our guest is Pooja Makhija, Clinical nutritionist, Author and Entrepreneur. She breaks down Indian eating habits, the science behind cravings, and why most of us are chronically low on nutrition without even realising it. From protein deficiency to sugar addiction, salt myths, meal sequencing, gut health, thrifty genes, sleep, and even travel constipation, Pooja simplifies everything with powerful analogies and practical fixes.
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