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Podcast Summary: Encounter Specialist: T*rrorism, Poonch Attacks, PoK & Kashmir | Shahida Parveen
Podcast Overview Podcast Title: Raj Shamani's Figuring Out Host: Raj Shamani Guest: Shahida Parveen, Deputy Superintendent of Police in Jammu & Kashmir Episode Focus: Discussing the realities of terrorism in Kashmir, personal experiences in law enforcement, and insights into the future of the region.
Key Themes and Discussions
Introduction
- Raj Shamani introduces the episode emphasizing the significance of opportunities and self-growth in India.
- The guest, Shahida Parveen, shares her background, highlighting her extensive experience in counter-terrorism and police operations in Kashmir.
Early Encounters with Terrorism
- Shahida recounts her early days as an undercover officer and her first experiences with terrorists.
- She describes the psychological challenges and the daily threats she faced, including death threats due to her role in anti-terror operations.
The Nature of Terrorism in Kashmir
- Police vs. Terrorists: Discusses the ongoing battle between Jammu & Kashmir police and local terrorists, emphasizing the complexities involved.
- Manipulation of Youth: Shahida explains how young minds are often manipulated into joining terrorist factions, citing societal pressures and misinformation.
Personal Experiences and Encounters
- Shahida shares vivid accounts of significant encounters with militants, detailing the strategies used during operations.
- She highlights the toll these encounters take on the mental health of police officers and the communities they serve.
Funding and Support for Terrorism
- Discussion on the financial backing of terrorism, specifically focusing on Pakistan's role and its implications on Kashmir.
- Shahida argues that the conflict is fueled by deeper socio-political issues, not merely acts of violence.
Views on Future and Solutions
- Hope for Kashmir: Shahida expresses optimism, suggesting that investment in local communities and better understanding between police and civilians can lead to peace.
- Deradicalization Efforts: She shares stories of how she and her team worked to convince militants to abandon their causes and join the police force instead.
The Role of Media and Public Perception
- Shahida discusses the impact of media narratives on public opinion regarding Kashmir and terrorism.
- She stresses the importance of accurate reporting and understanding the human stories behind the conflict.
Conclusion
- The episode closes with Shahida encouraging listeners to view Kashmir as a place of potential growth and opportunity, not just conflict.
- Raj prompts listeners to reflect on the insights shared throughout the conversation and consider the importance of supporting peace initiatives.
Key Takeaways
- Courage in Adversity: Shahida's personal commitment to her role in law enforcement illustrates the resolve needed to combat terrorism.
- Community Involvement: Engaging local communities in discussions around peace can significantly impact the region's future.
- Understanding Radicalization: Recognizing the root causes of radicalization is essential for effective counter-terrorism strategies.
- A Call for Action: The episode emphasizes the need for more public discourse on Kashmir, moving beyond sensationalism to understand the underlying issues and potential solutions.
Additional Resources
- For more insights and related content, listeners are encouraged to subscribe to Raj Shamani's channels and participate in discussions to foster a better understanding of Kashmir and its complexities.
Closing Remarks
- Raj Shamani thanks Shahida Parveen for her candidness and valuable insights, reiterating the importance of sharing such stories to inspire change.
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00we had to register always I came here and went back to the border. How difficult and easy it is when people come here from the border. We haven't gone back. We've run away from the jungle. Look, there's so big area. We'll go there and reach the mountains. Who's the most deadly encounter? I was in the city of Rajori. I went to the city of Rajori. I went and I had no gun. Now a police officer was standing there. I said to myself, I was fighting for my gun. I was fighting for that gun. But it was nothing, but it was a shame. To fight for this country, to die, to die, to die. There were some death threats.
0:40There was a day that didn't come. Then we had a letter. We used to keep it. It was a soldier's name. When you were fighting terrorists, when you were interrogating them, what do you say all the most common things? I was fighting a militant, he was local. I said, why would you become a militant? I said, I stood for Islam.
1:08I don't think so. Jammu Kashmir Police is a finest police in this world. Jammu Kashmir Police is a finest police in this world. Where is the police fighting? Tell me about this. Pakistan occupied Kashmir.
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2:11An ex-IPS officer and encounter specialist, which have encountered in Kashmir in their career 300-plus terrorist encounters in Kashmir. Today, we will know what the reality of Kashmir was. What was the first attack? And what is Kashmir's future? This episode will definitely be seen in the end. And tell me in the comments, which is the most insightful conversation you have.
2:38When you go to the end of this episode, so what was your most deadly encounter? which was your fault? our encounter was not our time we were not mobile and we were not able to encounter the mountains it's difficult to encounter the mountains why it's difficult to get you? one thing you have to go you have to go in front of your uniform and he will go to the city's house and he will go to the city's house and go to the city's house. If one person you want to do a right way, you can get a penalty. So what happens with that? How do you do that operation? Then I would do the same way. The first team was only eight people.
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4:21This is more likely that this nation and wonder after one state. and the girl who put the order first said that they are the people inside. Now we are a ridge and we have time to come down. I told the girl it was morning time. Now she started asking me, the first time that my heart was so fast I thought I didn't know what will happen. that the girls said what do we do we were going to do them I said they are not experts because they were not trained police they were not new girls I said if I could wait a little we were literally running and going I had army and my girls I had a big team 20-25 girls I had no more more people so we literally running so far and we came there and said madam, we can't stop because they are leaving and if the terrorists are leaving and the jungle is going to be difficult because they have to be aware of one step There will be one step, there will be another mountain, and the third mountain.
5:57When the soul comes back, they will run. Then I told them, now you open the fire. When they opened the fire, what do they know? They are only 5 or 4 people. They are more than 8 people. They know they are only 3rd corner, although we had to put it in the first place. 6 people, while they bounce threeły when two of them broke up, one is water에 two muts fell. weacs three grinds to the top. so we went up at these three move on then from 낮. so we now got to that front. then the way threeireARES came, now we can't think him... It was major sawas. mejasama about her name I got them. I have urged me to protect the girls by her desires because because my fear at all would've been unable to são I.
6:51I never started to touch that because on decades I had been many times since a lot of children it was the same time or because of that I thought every day.
7:07it was like being takedown for me and back then it happened to me. I told the girls, let them leave, we are back and go back. Then they told us that they had three people. There was a very big district commander in that time.
7:37I don't think that if there is a fear, I don't think I would have left in this field. But there are some death threats. that third which day was not coming they came the virus which was officially or not officially the message was that you are our daughter why are you standing against us they will kill and we are the last time I was able to explain our way. Then we had a letter. There was a letter that was a time. I have a letter. I will keep it. Threat letter. It's a soldier. I have to say that. I have to say that. I have to say that. It's been real or that you have to say that you have to look at the past.
8:38It's not happened. One time, we played our Chuhe Billi. It was a very long encounter. It took 2-3 days. I took 8-10 people to the field. I was in the field and I was in the field. Some senior rank officer had information. I said, you go to the right place. is you go. Now we are left. I was told that when I was a kid, when I was a kid, I was a kid, I called the phone back. I said, there are some people in the house, some terrorists, some people in the house. I was driving the car. At that time, night, day, there were four people. As seen as this car ari dois for four pertama cars from economic Checking After that we were in a car in that Blankton That's basically it.
9:44We wereGuorei One increased candy at night, We were able to walk down just 11am decided to meet our bedroom. ie место. launching Oh yes, officers took him ordem I said well enough to comfort off. They say, we are in a row, so we have to switch off. I said, okay, we need to live life. That's a good thing. We should learn from you. But we were crazy. We were crazy. We were going back to go back and go back and go back and go back and get it. It was so much that it would be a good time because it would be a little bit of a home. Now, when I would come back to the trip from 6 hours, I would come back to the morning, it would not be able to get it.
10:24But it was a good time. I went back to the and I was killed again. We used to do it. I was with a girl who was a civilian. I told her, I was told, a temporary, an ad hoc type, a SPO. But she was a fighter. She was not a fighter. She didn't want to kill her. She wanted to kill her. She didn't want to kill her. 아 pak after fighting, he fell in the gun and fell in the water. He fell in the water and fell in the water. He fell in the water and fell in the water. They were the same people. You were telling me that it was a very good time. When we called you before, we said that we had a encounter that we had a day.
11:20It was a fun encounter. I didn't know what happened. I don't know what one of our work was. Government didn't have any work. Our seniors have been doing this work. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I've never done knowledge. I told my knowledge, I told my boss, we will give you promotion, we will give you this, you will give us information. You won't do encounter. You might be afraid. You won't do encounter. I will send a person. wtedy they would something. I asked that. The verdict of you gave me a need of mind. I passed so much. I know about the problem. Those are!! I used to realize their stories in my future.
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12:18characteristic to me I always read completedatan." When my sine glider was burning at my heart nella sua mind that I was quemis not thick when I was going to go to my side, I said to them to speak to the Apple Who DONTANGLE would have benefits and make up with his following conduct I have given my data. I have given my data. I have given my data. You can believe that I have given my data. You have given my data. You have all the internet on the world. I have given my data. I have given my data. The sun will show you. You will be sitting. I have a list of my list. I have said, yes. I have a little information.
13:08I pray that God, I'll keep going. After I will get to the end of this. I'm telling you, area district commander, he said very good. He matched with data. He has to pay attention to the police. He has to pay attention to the police. He has to pay attention to the work of the government. Then I said, district commander, area commander, he has funding. He has lady with him. Because I went abroad without taking her original name. Bless the name… I would say if I unconscious myныйểured histoire wasn't getting these things. I was invited tobi first and abroad. Iit was good support with both parents, thatelle had hired me a strong partner.
14:02It was good, they helped them. They were in such a place where people normally don't go to the journal. But I was not going to go to that place. I didn't know anything. So I wore a cloth and kept the whole cloth. I was a teacher and I said to him, I need a room for rent. I have posted here. I need a room for my house. I have come from home. So, she reached his house and said to me, I was going to talk about it. So, slowly, slowly, I thought, let's come to the point. I told him, tell me, how many people with you? I asked him to meet him, when did he go to meet him? When was the last time he was gone?
14:50He was standing up. I took his hand and said, listen to him. He was shocked, he was a police officer. I said, I am a police officer. and your house is completely gone. Look, smart people play. There was no one. If there was no one, I didn't have any one. Who gave me to the professionals? I said, my house is completely gone. We all have gone. If you go, they will kill you. They will kill you. So don't do anything. He was my fan. He was scared.
15:39She helped me a lot. little bit initially me I said that I was starting
15:50to help me I was telling people that I got I had to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get Some people are motivated to do this or not. She was such a lady when I first encountered my first encounter. What happened in the first encounter? I didn't do anything at all. I'm telling you about this. I was like a fool of a man. I was going on a scooter. A lady was with me. short matcha Rajori city that a terrorist came here terrorist came here firing started now a normal police officer lady who has nothing she has a pistol who has a police officer she has a little bit she has a pistol so a pistol is not a lot of work I will not say one pistol you can't fight so people are running I always say that if we all meet, take a breath, give a breath, that we don't have a doubt, if we die, die, die, that's the same.
17:12Now, when we die, I say that someone comes to me. You know, I know, I know, I know, that I am going to die, or I am going to die. I would prefer to die from that. I would like to die from that. But I would leave him. Until, until, until. Who is the man who is a man who is a man who is a man who is a man. That's the way. Or you would like to leave him. He would not have to die. He would not have to die. His purpose is to die. Why?
17:47I will wait for his fire. so we were talking about what we were talking about that lady that lady I ran to the scene on the encounter side a house in the other house where I was standing with police I was going I had no gun Now there was a police officer standing on the side. There was a monty on the roof. He was standing behind. The people said to me, I had to give my gun. He gave me a gun. I generally don't give anyone. He has to do his own hands. He gave me a gun. I was fighting with that gun. I was fighting with that. That was my first encounter. Fire, fire, fire. I was shooting behind. that was police was in civil like in CID they were only gun so that was the sound oh madam what are you doing what are you doing that I got breast I got to die I will die go back go back you will believe literally in that encounter there was so fire I had all the magazines 32 32 32 I had all the other magazines after that was killed in blandinnu.
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19:32When I esfriped in to me there - a female fวก sat in a grill with whole clic. After Dj�mache 1961 bekommt some posts. After that, the girl was the one who I was caught. The one who was the terrorist's blood that was put on the blood and took the blood. That she understood the blood of a human. I motivated that girl to motivate her. I said slowly, slowly, we have to work on that policy. to work, to do some of the things that they need to do, to do some of the things that they need to do. How difficult and easy it is when people come to the border and go to the border and go to the border. They don't go to the border.
20:23I feel like everyone is dying. They are dying and they are dying.
20:57Jarin Jarin If you stand up and tell them, do it. I am so proud of you. You are forced from the bottom. What did they do in civilian life? They killed males, females, children. But when they come in uniform, when they come up, the whole line is all for them. They have no Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, or Christian. They have to kill them. But what happens generally? That you have encountered a civilian. I will hear a situation like this. You will now relate to the people who say, that the police didn't happen, that they didn't happen. They went here. They had to go through the way. Now you know something.
21:51We know something happened here. here from 2 km. We will have time to reach. We will have a gun to take off, or to go to ready, how much news is coming, how much wrong it is coming. We will have time to reach there. It took time to reach there. So, when they got to reach there, they will reach there, they will reach there. They will reach there, on the mountains. They will reach there. from the airport and then we reached out to the airport. It's a small area. But can you cross the border? No, it's not so easy to cross the border. But sometimes the fences are cut. You heard that there are underground trenches.
22:37And the way of being told to be, means and ways, I don't know. I am doing this. I am not going to the police. I am not going to the police. It is easy to go. If there is so big area, then I am going to the police. What happens is that we have to go to the border. I have to tell you that we have to go to the border because there is a whole city. We are actually working to the police. Basically, we are going to the LOC. पर जाना तो वो है जब भी आप इन टेर्रिस को पकड़ते हो and किसी को अगर रंगे हाथों पकड़ लिया with weapons पकड़ लिया या informants उनके जो उनका साथ देते हैं supporter को पकड़ लिया उनसे जब interrogation करते हो तब इन सब में common pattern क्या होता है The common things is what's most common It's when we say that we put in aemic We put our younger, we had murdered We were sleeping with our parents We were sleeping with our army Yes, it was yapıyor His트�le was lost My brother was also malving She wanted me to that This's my own house My partner had kiddo not But then all the晚 so he was killed When they wereป artillery They'd be like He has refused...
23:43My home was a enemy, my body was myProxy. That He wore DID not hela. But then there's nothing else that she had... They'll duck and take a look and pull... ...and borrow that. of that. Bye bye bye... I haven't seen someone now. You can get... all You know I've�� - như in movies all the world... Even in Pakistan, my name is Sandola M codes even known for estiver bast'. So they think about strength in her life. Everybody understands, losing help in mind, that they continue sharing their love. I didn't eat food, I didn't have the wrong information. I said that Islam is in danger. I didn't know myself.
24:41I came here and he would listen to his own. He would say that someone would have taken me a lot. He would have taken me a lot. He would have taken me a lot. He would have taken me a lot. But everyone is coming in the week. I would like to see that the operations are now. Is that terrorism being done effectively? Look... I've told you before, how should terrorists be Christine? Why won't we have a murder? All right... Those will stay. You know... What do you tell me? That's the embracing of... ...it isn't going to be punitive... in Mumbai. Why? How does it peculiarized crime happen? Organized crime are organized.
25:26What time will it get now? Yes, it won't be much. cualquierء even you know it doesn't exist anymore… and even earlier
25:43Although no matter that... War 14 was the same thing What has the tendency looked like today Things have occurred There is insurgency conflict zone. In the 14th year, we were fighting against them. What happened to them? Side line. It's like that these people are very important to understand themselves. Because it's self-styled. What do you think? The person who is fighting, the soldier, his speech is different. His attitude is different. His attitude is different from your normal person. The normal police person who is sitting in the police station. The person who is shooting. What do you think?
26:40The other people do that. that this is the world. It was like that they were different from each other. All of the people. They were saying that they were just coming. They were not coming. They were just coming. They were sitting. This was the time. People were feeling like that now we are living in our lives. They say that you only know military people. You don't have to do you get interroguation. I clicked it when it someone
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28:37I appreciate you guys, you know younight
28:48night do not end where there were 500 600 local 200 200 500 500 500 500 500 500 500 500 ii her akti this not that i would not realize that i would not say that we should be a real person i want you to be a complete simon and take emotional effort always keep a hold of ourselves if there is an REM thing neighbor our argument is a gent or noble that they don't give them a chance. Like I say, I don't give them a chance. If they go one step, then they will inform you at that time.
29:42Police is not a problem. Police army is not standing behind one person. They cannot stand for protecting them. They should have to do everything. Especially our Jammu Kashmir people. but in i feel that people who have seen videos in kashmir and jnk are people who are against people who are people who are first time kashmir candle march is killing against not kinkhi kinkhi kinkhi kinkhi kinkhi kinkhi kinkhi kinkhi I had to see what happened. When the war was on the fight, why did we do it? We had to fight with the war, disperse, people were so high. Today's date, where is it? Where is it? This is the time.
30:44We should have to take our hands. I tell you one thing. A question is that when all those terrorists and militants are, in loge as payse ni hotate khani pene ge in kia se etna mehengi mehengi guns or weapons kaan se aate kea ghar meh banaate ghar meh khaan ye to sara sophisticated weapon hai exactly sophisticated see agar mehna eek share ke sath betana chauungi woha eek bhoat acha share hai mujhe yad aai is baat pe bhoat muskil hai dunia ka savarna ye teeri zulfu ke pachok hum nahi hai bhoat muskil hai This is so easy. How often do expensive weapons do you do? Sponsor taking your way.�وee spending means paradise goes beyond and if your own money comes than you go as a voter bank account cash it would be very two offs this country can't get large amount large amount
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32:20I know that the money was very high. There were many different ways. We have called social causes, we have called to send them to the community, we have sent them to the community. It was used to be a lot of money. We have worked very much, our police have worked very hard. Police have been so much... Everyone is capable of dealers tasting the same digestive system in the morning to eat andAKF. We are dengan Lucy the other people jump into, and this video is by Natasha to a full party of these ther arming people, As many of them come, they also try to get very good strony to that one. For the travelling, lifeは umpel, i few other, iを?
33:19To say where she was thesejis and that she told me then. chịim wondering what she didn't have stories during the euvery's marriage. Our goal is to stay here. I asked him to stay here. I was also asked him to try and ask him what he would say. He said, Madam, if we stay here, our life will be difficult. We don't stay here in our own homes. We don't have food or anything in our house. We say, go back and leave our own. If there is a gun, if there is a gun, if there is a gun, then run away. We will go to the other side, we will call the police or the army. to call me, we can call them, we can call them, and say that this is how we can call them.
34:06We are back, people say, what's going on in our house? I mean, it's actually a reality. Now it's like this. I was actually a time during my tenure, when I worked in the Rajaoji, there was a lot of time that there was a lot of militancy. That time was a peak. long road anche comp identificatiと we could check watch the eye card to the午前 which time she is none to untr terrible because the so much affected affected affected was that that time and there were so many encounters that they were so many encounters that they were dead because what happened now was that people started to affect and sometimes they came to and if there was an informer to understand they had to kill their family to kill their family and if there was a Hindu family then they had to kill their family because have where islands they were using?
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35:32People think socialize people think they will be our poor city có Dargів First people, they were so close and friends. This is why … Indian photography says it all along. They call the Indian government Because they don't have the name of India Our time didn't know it. It was the time I began where to go. phonies met themselves fascinated by it… hold کرو یہ تنہاً ایتنا افیکٹڈ ہے اور یہ اتنا زیادہ یہاں پہ نیجرس ہے کہ انہوں نے یہ تک بلائے ہیں اگر دیکھی ہمارے چالیس مر جائیں یہ میرے ساتھ ہوا تھا ایک بار کہ ایک ہم کوئی بہت بڑی اسائنمٹ ہمیں ملی تھی اس وقت ہم نے بہت بڑی ریکوری کی تھی جیسے کہ سنٹیکس ٹینک میں ڈال ڈال کے ویپن تھے اگر وہ ویپن RAH JATAY TOO SOUCHO KYA HALT HOONA THA WOH KITNES SINTEX TANK SE HUNE NIKALA TOO MERE RAT KOO JAB HUM KU JANA THA TOO MERE SSP BAHT ACHHE LONG THA MOTOLA UN LONG KI BAT HHI KIYA THA MUJHE BITHAKER MUJHE KAYATAY SHAHIDA AAP HUM KARENGE ENCONTRER ZORUOR LAKIN AAP HUMARES SATH MEN JAUGE KYUNKHE KOI OR OFFICER THA USNE BOLA HUA THA KYAKER YHE JAYEGY MENI JAUGE because they told me that if they will come, we will die 40.
37:00I said, that doesn't go. I was such a kind of person. What was the syntax tanks? Weapons. You didn't know how to go. Informer. Informer. We had some weapons. We had some local locals.
37:21At that time, there were local militants. was the one who was injured. He was buried with locals. He was buried with someone. He was buried with him. Then he got it. We got it. I went. I mean, only people from them. I said, my SSP says, maybe if you... It's not your operation. But if you don't go, because they had to pressure that no one has done. No one has to say, or else we will kill all of them. That officer, I will not get the name, I will not get the uniform, with white clothes, with our clothes. I will kill you, but we were so that we got the courage to get the courage. We were also in the number of people.
38:17How many people were there? We would have to recover the ridges. What happened then? I went and said I wouldn't stop. But there was a time when I was a threat. When I joined with the army, there was a Gorkha regiment. So I used to wear that uniform. If I wear a normal army officer uniform, I will not feel like I will. I used to wear that uniform. Because everyone would say that this would come, we would have to be a problem. I didn't know anyone. I never used to tell anybody or call. I didn't call on the walkie-talkie set. They used to do. We didn't use anything today. We used to use walkie-talkie.
39:20We didn't use gun. We used to use them. We didn't use cars. We didn't use people. But it was a shame. To fight this country, to die, to die. There was no tension. and you will believe that after 5 years I have no money for a car, can you believe this? I had no money for a Zen, it was not my only mission. I was paying for all the money, when I was in a small town, I had no phone or mobile, I had no mobile in my house, was the desire to go to the house like to come to the house because my brother and mother had always been living in my house so I was always in the house in the house I was only going to the house very little because I was scared and I said that something happens I have a lot of trouble so when I came to the house I used to finish all my money I didn't know if I was going to be alive next time I was in my mind that we had to save we used to play music if someone comes to another team they would be surprised that you are going to listen to the song I didn't know the driver was going to be where that was the level of secrecy because how did we get the source from that time on the phone, we didn't tell the source Khab وہ پورا کر کے Bند کر کے لاتے تھے وہ information دیتا تھا ہمیں اس کو واپس اس جگہ پہ چھوڑتے تھے دیکھو ان کی ان کی safety بھی ہمارا فرض تھا اس کے بعد ہم جو ہی جس گاؤں میں جاتے تھے ایک بندے کو پکڑتے تھے رستے میں وہ پہلے بتا جاتا تھا اس بندے کو پتا جگہ اس کو لے کے جاتے تھے ساتھ چل بھئی بتا آپ جگہ ہمارا source بالکل safe اپنے source The most important thing is raising our resources to you to Du woah.
41:28Remember, they will benefit you. Those Americans won't appreciate you. I know that officer was quite A too, me must give advice. Only if they are notigen cuz money per government will charge? Will a service per senior card be paid in money? They will offer no job three times. whoever will charge. Then, I want it as a way. I was able to say about a encounter. Then I took my senior to a gun. Until there is no work. I had many times people said, what would you do with your people? You are making your enemies. Because you are fighting for them. But I don't have to do this. I didn't have to do this.
42:11I didn't give anything. But I would have given the advice. I had to ridiculise some people I was able to get the shoes for Pakistan. I also got the shoes for training. I got the shoes for 55 ,000. In that time, in 2001, 1999, I got the money for the people. I got the shoes for crossing them. I got them back and motivated them. I kept them in their team. Did you take Kashmir in Pakistan? I have a personal story. I will tell you, if we concentrate on this, we will save our home.
42:57I mean, if someone is radicalized, you cannot do anyone in the mind. What is it that you can win? from here. People have to live with the mind. Like if one dies, two are standing. If two dies, one is standing. This will be going. Basically, what is it? Some people are now Pakistan's who have no work. Some people are here who have no work. They are now in the hands of Ganna. back his hand...It was such an源 of their behalf... nonprofits... Now they say they are things like terrorists, they say it as a matter, but they even say they want to do terror zdarst me... What Or am I asking? That is not terrorism on now.
43:59As what time is it started... What do we say?
44:08Take a deep breath.
44:33power is a game of power Islam has nothing to do with this Islam is not if they are right they are only extremists like Al-Qaeda you have heard ISI ISIS what is Muslims don't know they don't know their own torture where is where is in which Islam is written or where is in Quran in which you have isaii isai means christians ko dhekho on ka gala kaart do kisi or dharm ka dhekho gala kaart do islam mein pure بتaia jata hai pure hume s'mjaya jata hai sikhaja jata hai ke apko koji dhusre dharm ka wanda milega usko apko belkhe zyada izzet se pesh anah hai ap yakin karoge ek militant ko pakda wo local tha wo pakda ho vato thao interrogation kar rhoet thay I had asked him and I said again, an officer's two individuals is still there, which one kid
46:20you will not believe me his Light好了. I felt so angry. I felt so much terrible at that. I said that he talked to me. Why Mr. 3rd Sets said that? He ale joined my Head Latar at the sidver. I heard though when he says language like this is what he said in the process is basically Basically reason is that you have a connection with Allah. Number two, remember that. Number two, you have a peace. Peace. Five times you have to take your mouth and not. Some people don't take your mouth. You have to take your mouth and your hands. You have to take your mouth and your mouth. You have to put your mouth and your mouth and your mouth.
47:12You have to become peace. Then you go to Allah and you have to be able to sit with him. There was not a word for everyone who could be, who could handle this. I was concerned because it didn't fat but since it didn't need contain, I had only to do something special. What was it, then I said that Madam. Go ahead that the pub became a migrant source. The band婆 had aki, the whole village called herания, where he was going to eat food, now they are scared of him. Actually, what do we do? We are two. There is a gunman who will ask food, we will keep a gun. We will eat food, then go. So that was the same.
48:02So he was so famous, he was very famous in local language, he was very famous in the local language. Then I said, I didn't get a gun, it's a militant. I was going to go. This is a reality actually. But how did you do it? I told you. I told you. I was able to get one of my girls. I was able to get one of my girls out of jail. My seniors helped me. It's not like that. It's all the team work. I started my team. I started my team with 5-6 girls. I was told to go to the people. When I was told to go to the people, I said to myself, why are you going to go there? I said to myself, I said to myself, I'm a simple word.
48:54I'm not a bad word. I said to myself, I told myself, you will go to Pakistan, you will train you, you will be more than your life, you will be more than six months, you will be more than your house. I have said that you have to be a gun. I have said that you have to be a gun. If you want to show a rope in the village, I will give you a gun. I will give you a gun. You will come with me. If you have not come to the house, you will go. If something is bad, you will go and kill me. I will keep them all the time. You will believe that some people If you ever get in life, I will tell you that there were some boys who had left the gun to take off the pin.
49:42Why did they take off the gun? If they try to do it. We have to go with our side, we have to die. Our mind is not set. We will kill them. We are still laughing. We have known that we have been training here. We have been training here. But when we saw that you have left the pin, we are laughing at our point. Oppositions got changed I'll add so that we can do this youth to radicalize and do radicalize. I have an article that I have read in Kashmir. Where many people have a group of terrorism or they have a wrong path. Because there is a concept that is ruptured masculinity. So ruptured masculinity means that there are some boys who see society in society that they are not going to be a failure.
50:38They are not going to be a failure. They are not going to be a failure. we get 여러 unlikely万 to get better for your childhood Yeah, usually people for their parents when huss談 are frustrated can worry auditor ecosystems We are not confident in the society It means those VIP employees where want to have power it means there to be, there to be a issues it's a failure sudah nam стали Islam ke自由 i have read Wochen that was not able to read a Smoke did that Sun this night we have no value. We have no value. My advice is because I am from the side so when I was training with Kashmir in the 1995 when I joined in Kashmir there was a very peak of militancy.
51:37We were sitting with friends and friends and talked about it. He was a very good friend. He was very genuine. I was talking about women. She said that she saw a lot of things in her eyes. I said, tell me, why are they made it? She said, maybe this is the thing. We were first guns. We were killing them. Now, the gun came after guns. Once I was in the area, I was there a student, M-TEC, lardka aya tha leke gun ogayara aya idar Pakistan me us ko wash kya kya mind badaya kya wahan pe muslims pe oratun ke saat bhout beradbi huti hai oratun ko molest kiya jata hai phir muslims ko namaz dhi pardne dhi jari hai sab kuch ee sab kuch bolke to ab kitna us ko pump kya hooga kya qiyunkhe pardhe likhe lok jab anndr átay to unko fayda hoota na bhoot zyada ding
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53:03gun He was dancing and dancing. He got up and he got up his way. He was able to keep all the people together. He was a beautiful person. Six feet tall. He came and came to the army. He had confidence. He said to get the CEO. He was afraid of uniform. He was scared of the army. I said, I'll go back and get the gun. He got everything he threw down. I said, I don't know if he came. He came from suicide bomber. What happened at that time? He said, okay, let me take my office. I didn't want to fight anything. I was informed myself. I had to surrender myself. I had to surrender myself. these people who have come to me they have come to me in the news and interviews but you have said that country is back so why do Pakistan do not do that?
54:07what is their problem now? why do they get back to back all the terrorists who are there or are they in control or are they in control I have told you that Pakistan has no more agenda it is one thing, Kashmir is one thing but here they have all their money they have to do their money they have to technically their country or their economy their situation is bad everything is falling down so where their situation is bad their own state is not bad so how is it so hard? our U.P. state is also small our Tamil Nadu has their GDP my point is that right so when they should focus on their economy, GDP in all these things.
54:53They don't think they are focused on their own. They don't think they are going to do it. They don't think they are going to do it. Look at their political scenario. Can you tell Pakistan to Kashmiris? No. I don't think that is attack. Who is going to do it? If you have a good food, if you have a good food, you are jealous of them. How do you do it? now what happened in Kashmir was so much tourists going Kashmir was very happy why was he happy that his roti was running tourism was big one of the big economy of the Jumbo Kashmir especially Kashmir's Kashmir's in Kashmir in Kashmir's a story of a horse which has a roti which has known his own why did he know it?
55:42the story of the story was if you don't do this then my roti is running He has no to take it. He has no to take it. God has no to take it. God has no to take it. We Kashmiris, people who are from Kashmir, understand the God's name. There are so many Kashmir in Kashmir. If you go and eat food, you will be crazy. You will try to eat a little rice. You will leave it ten times but they will make him leave. Now I've been there and I've experienced this. They are so w textile men. So those people are fredabore because their man is manifest! For the Bra constructors look like this could turn around. Those przyszers people are not Groups in theirangzię.
56:32There is a different kinds of stuff, thatữ after multiple stories. So I mean, children has been Krankenhaus as well. There are still manyерьANNAES. western interest in that chakra this is happening but whatever happens it is my question was why do you think Pakistan is doing this the first time that happened look who has done this all the main purpose was to unrest and to get to the war and ultimately what did we get we can't get anything. Not yet. If there are 18 people who are dying, are killed, there are no harm. They ask them, you and me will go. Those who have no one dies, will go. We have stories, stories, and tell them, and tell them, we will go.
57:37We will all get into it. What is the father? What is the father of the father? What is happening?
57:47You have met so many people. You have met so many people. You have met so many people. How many times people talk about India? Pakistan? People talk about normal people? The Pakistan is normal. normal is because what we think was they can be so the is because we killed them and let see what means how happens and do those I have encountered some days before, I have encountered three militants. What is their life? One militant has more than two years of life. How long will you run? How long will you hide? You go to any territory of Indian government, army, police, BSF, CRPF. There are paramilitary forces, there are so many things, how long have we been left?
59:09This is the story of the story that we can bring in Kashmir positivity. We don't have to do that with Kashmir.
59:24Theyใชel for such and inspire others. But today we never have to become a plan for the right-hand, they will take longer away theigers, soamosoli its homes, Not taking rope to people on theirAKX. They will Singing with people not Moral. It makes sense they hits. Now they live the jungle in a wilderness. Whichبيlıkole could stay in the Shrettv. There is not so any loneliness there are such a big problems. With that mystery from compelled 섬, Creativeheners from Lett duality city or Then of course Legals how much you can't remember daily. There are high doubts. You will believe that when we went to the house, it was like this.
59:58We got news. No one knew that there was a basement. There was a tent. We thought that we were sitting in a basement or sitting in a house and eating food. We didn't know the basement. We put a garden on it. We started a garden. Milton Guayb we said the earth was eaten the sea was released where did we go some high dots were bursted then people were released those people now are very low which are such a high dots where we were bursted my family was a when we were in a high dot there was such a tower like you have a tower I don't know what the tower is In this tower, as you slide, you can see a height out and you have a whole house.
1:00:55That was the same. Because in that encounter, my husband also had our brigade ganguli. Brigade ganguli saw that he knocked. The army is very expert. they wereBarred then , they knocked to us by feels hollow I met one over the second quarter都是m done and the militants were one into my son I was a very young man. Again, you will not believe me, he was a militant before that terrorist. He joined us and joined us. What happened to him? He didn't leave me. When I was out there, I was going to go there and I was going to say, Madam, I will either be here or I will take them to take them. Because there was a few times, a month, when we had no success.
1:02:08So, when Breediganguli said that they opened a pin, they opened a smoke bomb. I had no idea. He said, you stop it for 2 minutes. I will open it and put it inside. Then he will go inside. Then he will go inside himself. He didn't stay away from the girl. He started to explode himself. He started to explode himself. He had a grenade lobbed from there. He died that day only. Then I had no idea. At that time, we were not sure about 25 milterns. We were on a terrace. in the ridge, they had a shell in the ridge. That's when he knew his body, how difficult we had to get out of it. He had to get out of it.
1:02:56He had to get out of crawling, he was injured. It was very interesting. We thought that he would have something to do. How did the army and police work with you? We were doing joint operations, because being local, local na aq to khabar ka information ka hotta tha maslala dursa hotta tha ke locals mein kahin kuch kisi ko puchna hai kubhi kuh kain loogun ko hindi ni bholna hi aati mطلب hindi urdu joh bhi hai typical language bholta hai ya phir humara kya hotta information humari hoti thi to phir hum akalee kyunke area was dominated by the army to hum agar akalee ja ke encounter karee to hapas me hir learn na shuru ho jayenge is liye hum hum hum We will see that the encounters are always joint.
1:03:46So many army have made comments that local police are made with terrorists and militants? Yes, there is Jammu Kashmir police. No, there is no Jammu Kashmir. Some of them are bad actors? I mean, look, sometimes if you get one character, you need to have a place in the police. Or they are dismissed. Who is he? Or he is in jail. Or he is dismissed. But on the date of today, I don't think so. Jammu Kashmir Police is the finest police in this world. The militancy is fighting with gun. Where is the police fighting? Tell me. please tell me some police tell me or under world the world is fighting with Mumbai the world is fighting with the world but not under world and militants terrorists are very different what is it difficult different is what is it different you are fighting under world you have what weapon more and more pistol.
1:04:58I don't think that anywhere in the underworld, I think there was a AK-47, a sophisticated weapon, a sophisticated backup. They are trained, they are training, they are training for years, two years of training. They were with me, they told me that that my girl was a sharp shooter. If a sharp shooter was a gun, one gun and one person was a gun. Where did he train? Pakistan. Then he came back and joined the police. join ki? Kuch time pae aisa hoa tha initially my abko bata ho ab to wou practice ban ho gai hai kafi sal ho gai us say about 20 sal se ban hai practice kya hoa tha kya log unhai sab nai hathyaar o'tha liye tab ek time pae tha us pae kya hoa bu jab kafi 90 k bata mein kar raha hong in the 80s and 90s, the locals were very much in the 80s, and some people had to take care of it.
1:06:15They said, I don't have a job. I will go to Pakistan and I will go to training. I will surrender myself and surrender myself. I will take a job. That's why the locals went. I will talk about the first time. Now the practice was closed after 20 years. After the interview Speaker over, we will join them in the Completely. This could have been stopped by. The best practice is no不同 get. Cause people would have joined and have a chapter. No. They were in necessary for them to go through a schedule. The same thing with child as a 12-year-old teacher would have allowed going and traininged around there.
1:06:54Once again, Parents were still working forě, and That baby's coachingafs, Their job was lost, because it did not struggle. I never thought I was gone. I didn't tell the child that I was a child. She gave her life to her own own country. She was gone to Pakistan. She was dreaded in that time. You are a specialist like this. There are two sides. First, let's talk about negative side and positive side. 만나요,
1:07:56thank you very much for having an opportunity to write more uncomfortable It is very difficult when you encounter a house. If you have a house, then you will save your house, and you will kill the militants, and you will fall off or fall off. So, people take it to the house, and you will do this, and you will do this. Or the other thing is that someone will kill a civilian in cross-firing. and I'm feelingڑ into the In+. What am I going to do? But anyone needs to know that someone against someone or doesn't have a damn or does anyone chocolate? I Jade started to 然後 to surrender and at least another day that happened to me I normally call, that she has given her mother.
1:08:55Now, she is in the same place. In the past few days, she has given her mother to her. She didn't think she was in the same place. She was in the same place. I say that if your child is in drugs, you can't bring her back from drugs. You can bring her back. It's difficult. so this is the drug this is a shock it has so much in the mind that we will get the world we will be in the shaheed but we should try to do because Kashmir is our part you can understand that this is our people I mean everything, I mean my podcast feels like in there and I say that in all stories my coronavirus family, I want you to understand that if that, itosaasbage Kear people understand Him to start living with people good helpful tools to tell if children die then there are natural escola bars we see open will be able to kick them and kick them.
1:10:18People will be able to get anywhere from now to anywhere. In Poonch City, there is no one in Milton. That's the record. Check it out. Tell me Kashmir, explain how to explain your police terms. I was reading that there is a red zone, sensitive area, peace zone, stability zone. How many divides are you? Say about city. In city there are many people. There are many people. There are many police and army. It's called a safe zone. That's why it's called a safe zone. I'm asking for what terminology I'm asking. But the second thing is that there is a jungle. In the jungle there are 2-4 houses. are, 10 ghar are, 2 are, 3 are are, you can go to the terrace or the village in the jungle is a safe zone that I would like to say that sensitive zone sensitive zone is not conflict zone or if you say that terrain difficult difficult is
1:11:43affected zone you can divide way you can divide other towns in the jungle there are two-four houses you can differentiate two-four houses if another terrace will come and territories to go to food, he here, he lets go there. It may not give up by the mind. He is afraid. Because she is afraid. or but they can't eat food but don't do that. It is not that someone doesn't enjoy food. Everyone because of compassion, don't want to tell them not to give up. Don't let me tell you the thoughts about them. We'd might get them. But if you don't Și, don't eat them or do not. If we don't tell them, we'll eat our own.
1:12:32Those thoughts are back from both sides. Tell me the last question. What do you think of your opinion? What is the future of Kashmir? I would like to say this simple. Our future is very bright. If we forget it like this. Look, this was a bomb in the 9-11-11. Had many fewer people come of laughter. It is a smart person. Since we have never got any time left. bisog music dúbures are lacking in our investment, this year these tourists will be very low. you might see our difficulties in a bit scrap efforts are very bad things, visit hexswane会, Humane ανath really made it obedient, has been abusive zen in our business, It's gonna have more over change, because probably that doesn't happen.
1:13:34People헤 paintings of theё we had manchmal parts of her partidoch insecurity that what happens is other things. The people are very passing and people are awkward. Monetarily, people go to trauma-ple ciel or deathta too so that they realize that we have got some reduced. The rate was dropped. People were scared because the first time it was so happened. But you can see that slowly, slowly, slowly, after a year, next year, you will see that it will change. Because the place is like this. How much you will do that? I say that today's date is the best time to go. Because there is so much security and so much.
1:14:20So there is no need to be scared. I don't think it's necessary to go and explore yourself. Where will you get to meet? I would say the best time to go and explore and go. Thank you so much. Thank you for sharing so much and openly. Thank you so much. It was a pleasure having you. You drink this juice or something? Yes, this is my lunch. I do lunch at the beach. Okay, so what is in this smoothie? There are beetroot, avocado, pollak, all of them. So, you can mix avocado separately. Yes, but these are 4 hours. So, I didn't eat anything before podcast. I said to my doctor, I don't eat 8 hours. No, no.
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In this episode, Shahida Parveen, DySP in the Jammu & Kashmir Police, opens up about her life on the frontlines, the deadliest encounters she’s faced, and how she kept going despite daily death threats. From her early undercover missions to becoming a key force in anti-terror operations, her journey is nothing short of incredible.We spoke about what really goes down during an encounter, how terrorists manipulate young minds, and what’s changed in Kashmir over the last decade. She also shares untold stories of deradicalisation, how she spoke to young boys holding guns and convinced them to join the forces instead. We talked about the psychological toll, the fear, the courage, and the human cost of fighting t*rror every day.In the last segment of our conversation, Shahida gets brutally honest about Pakistan’s role in backing t*rrorism, how the media can sometimes question real action, and what she truly believes is the future of Kashmir. These are the stories mainstream headlines never cover. Subscribe for more real, unfiltered conversations like this!About Raj ShamaniRaj Shamani is an Entrepreneur at heart that explains his expertise in Business Content Creation & Public Speaking. He has delivered 200+ speeches in 26+ countries. Besides that, Raj is also an Angel Investor interested in crazy minds who are creating a sensation in the Fintech, FMCG, & passion economy space.
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