Falguni Pathak on Navratri, Garba Songs, Insecurities, Rejection & Childhood | FO411 Raj Shamani

26:55the variation changed. so I have to say sorry so I have to say sorry so this is very normal every time every year every year because you are watching the crowd I am also watching the crowd which is the biggest crowd in Navratri craziest numbers it was in Uncle Išvar I have told you that we had in Navratri in one year But every day, I didn't know what was going to happen. When I was going to do it, I decided to go out of Mumbai. In 1994, when we were doing it in Mumbai, we decided to go out of 1-2-10 years ago. So I decided to go out of there.

27:43Then I started preparing, all the new routes were made. But slowly, when I started to come, I thought, what will happen to the audience of Gujarat will we like our music or not it's a different style of Mumbai it's a different style of Gujarat what will happen, how will it happen I didn't know but when the door opened the gate and we saw the rush every day there was say no, it was 60-65 thousand 60-65 thousand every day 10-10 thousand people from all over Gujarat from every person. We will be here from Dabad, Anand, Baroda, Nusari, Surat. We will be coming to the Umbayali. Of course. Because it's your loyal cult following.

28:31So you're coming. 60 ,000 people. That's the biggest. Every night. 6-7 ,000 ,000 people in one number three. Very nice. What do you feel when you get to see this? Blessed. In truth. I didn't get this thing. So I feel blessed. Always keep on thanking God. And what's the What's the craziest earning you have had in one night? I've never seen my team I mean my friend who handles it I didn't ask how much I've gained today How much I've gained today I mean I get pocket money I'm sorry I know that I can afford this house now. I'm happy. Just enough. But how big business is this event organized. Navratri.

29:29It's a big business. How big is this business? It will be in a million dollars. The decor, the stage, the lights and the ground. It's a building platform. from open where there are stalls audience passes publicity it's a lot but you wouldn't know and what is your tech rider? what are your requirements? our sound what is our side? tell me Falguni Paathak big show in let's say Navratri tech rider tech rider what is the tech rider? I don't know all details but our sound requirements which normally we would book. There are lights requirements, stage lights.

30:21Our ground should be bright. It's a Navratri festival, it's a Maa festival. So, darkness should not be anywhere. From stage, from ground, everywhere, it should be bright. It should be a festival. All of these requirements are our requirements. There are some of our vanities, there are requirements on stage, there are instruments on stage, How do you want the platform? How do you want the size? How do you want the green rooms? How do you want the unreasonable demands? There are also some unreasonable demands. Something like every artist is one of them. Like I tell international artists. Two, three artists, which I had heard very unique.

30:56One of them was a DJ that I wanted to have a PlayStation behind me. I wanted to play and play. Someone wanted to play a butt-tap behind me. I wanted to play a dip in the show and change it. I wanted to go on stage. I will go to the stage. I have so much time. In two rounds, hardly the difficult time to get two sip of water. I have 10 people in the future. I have to go to the two minutes. I have to go to the next two minutes. Before going, something is like an artist. It's like a trampoline. It's like a trampoline. It's like a trampoline. It's like a trampoline. It's like a trampoline. It's like a trampoline.

31:34For energy rush. Is there something that there is a demand? No. Does someone have water specific to this company? No, no. That's not anything. At least, that's not anything. Nothing. Let's see how we have to do it. We should not do it in the VIP. Our regular audience should be in front of us. We should make the VIP, make the left side, right side, and make the right side. But we should be in front of our daily audience. gonna do it in front of me. Why? VIP. I told you at that you should have fun you mean their visibility, mine are this song어영 this song. I was just kind of thinking about it, I was not thinking it.

32:13So, after that it went out like that the audience was just empty. Were there any kind of moment? so many songs when we sing every year after that every year the new songs the Hindi songs we get attention that the new we introduce the new try will be good or not it's a lot but it's a very first day it's a good time then the audience has a fun then it's just relaxed So which song you tried and then went to the audience? There are many songs. The first time I tried it was in 1996 when it came to Rangila. He tried it. It went to the audience. That year the trend began. But after that, we had a song that was like a song.

33:23Yes. Which song will this year happen? I can't tell you. Which year was it? We had a patsudi, a gautilo, and then one time he said, Oh, my man, oh, my man, oh, my man. And then he said, Gulabu. There are many songs. And it's very, very good. Does it feel like it? It's not something. It means that the audience can't take this rhythm, or it's not going to play. It's the main intention. Then when we rehearse the song, there's no new song. actually our team can see us play and see them please play and see them your rhythm is not breaking so it's a little stress that the audience can't break that's the most important thing the whole set just don't break because if it broke beats or scales 1 song to 2 song then scale smoothly change you should not jerk when you change the scales or change the rhythm pattern you should move smoothly the change is the toughest part yes but it's all the years it's tough to do with organizers it's tough to do with organizers that the organizers keep unreasonable demands or treat unreasonable when it's done with someone in the first year I mean I mean we've done this that that we have been working constantly for 6 years.

34:57That's how it happens. So, when it happens in the first year, it's very difficult to understand them. How do you need to be a stage, how do you need to be a publicity. I mean, what festival you are going to be doing is you always keep your mind behind your mind. This is a big pop event or something. There is no such gig. It's not international. It's our tradition. network you make thebeiten you make the ground you make the stage you make the lights things learn veryälte they get very but ultimately sometimes they have pushed back Tip刺 lived Chief did not say we know our work we give aST we also come of courseでは doesn't doesn't So we don't have to go like this, we don't have to reach such crowds, we don't have to go to a big level.

35:54I said, see, you don't have to compare. You don't have to show yourself. We don't have to show you. You do your own work properly, but you will see the other people. You don't have to compare. You have to choke yourself, and you have to do proper work. There is always an incident where something happened. Every year. It's not an incident. I can tell the best incident. Don't tell the city and the name. But it's incident. There's no incident. Just like I said, that's what I have to say. To control them, that they are the result of the result of the result. Keep your attention. They have to understand.

36:35What do they think? Like, how do they grow up in Bollywood shows? How do they grow up in Hollywood? How do they grow up in international stars? Here we come, we're discussing our shows Fingernail. When we be staying in that会, We have to do this, yes. Except, I've said they were like that like that. They were so different than us, but we need to do everything in our advocate. We have to keep ourselves That us celebrate it happening at watched. Nothing happens in it, Tewyn a big indulgence or something. There is something different. In that way? As for yasquins you have seen, in your music. You are watching your lights.

37:15There are all lights, there are all stages. You can't understand what you are doing. So, it can't be all here. There are special entries, pyros etc. But where should it be? Like we are singing the song of God, we have to give it to us. So, you want to know that someone is here? I mean, someone came. I mean, you have to do pyros, especially entries. No. Our mother is only one main thing. We are going to make them think. The first preference is to give ourselves. The rest of us will do pyros, lights, everything. But remember, which festival is. They all give them a lot of fun. They give them a lot of fun.

38:03Wow, you're saying now, I'm not saying that. Even the publicity that we advertise, we have to keep a lot of things here. What is the publicity? It means that... We don't write something wrong, we don't write something wrong, we don't write something wrong, we don't write something wrong. We keep telling people. What do we say? Headline, hook line, titles. What do we keep doing? Why do we keep doing it in Bollywood? Why do you not come to the office? I was coming to the office before. I didn't care much about that. Why? I thought that my voice is not made for Bollywood. It's very soft. There are no variations.

38:47You have to work for Bollywood. You have to work for tone. The other thing is that it doesn't happen now. But first, I would sit in the studio, sit and meet with my director. It's not in my nature actually. I mean, my job is okay. I mean, I would sit and do it. It's not in my nature. It was before it happened. It's not like that. But I was always happy. I'm still happy with what I'm doing. But now we will be offering such as in Bollywood. in the world and many Gharba, Navratri and bass also comes to that, you will say and offer you, why don't you go? Do you come or not? Do you come to say? Yes, but what kind of offer I don't prefer doing.

39:40Why? I don't like it. I don't like it. Is there a specific reason that you just don't like it? If there's a type of song that will become like this, I would love to sing, of course. Okay. No song, there is no such thing. No ego. No, of course. Why would I say that? Who would I say that? But I would love to sing such offers. But you don't have to sing your type. Correct. You will see that you don't have to reject the type of your type. My type has never happened. I mean, the one that I touched on. Wow. The one that I had in my office, the organization of Gharba, that the organization of my organization was that when I started my group in 1994 I started my group before I was singing I left the group and then I offered to do my own and they knew what I was doing and they knew what music was so they were good people so they asked me to do it so they would make a group and they would do it so we would do it so it was okay After that, we got to meet one thing.

40:50He said, I have to give an audition. I said, I have to give an audition. You know what music is doing? No, you have to give an audition. What are you going to do? I'm sorry. I don't have to do an audition. I don't know what I'm doing. I can give you an audition. I didn't do that. I have to tell you about albums. I have to take a video. I don't want to do it. I will not wear this. I don't want to do it. Even the lyrics, music, etc. I don't think I'm afraid that if I can convince them on all these things, maybe I won't get any work. I got a job now. I didn't want to ask anyone. I paid all the opportunities.

41:35I told them that I came in front of the 10 years. I didn't go to the Rupkal Orchestra. I sent it to me. like this. And I戴 go home with whoever reprogrammed things. This breakdown even said no, couple will tell,

41:49So e sheet said that my true self will have a Adding finding a situation that I won't. I will have noticed from the future, I can't remember this day before. Do you feel scared from someone? I feel scared from God. And on flights I feel scared. I don't know what phobia is. I don't even know. I tried to go. What do you feel? I feel scared from heights. Maybe I have heard a story in my childhood. I have sat in my subconscious mind. What? My neighbor, who was three children, they were a person. I remember many years ago, when Air India flight went to Dubai, it was a crash in Bandra. That was my uncle.

42:46I think it was Christmas night. My dad told me to tell me. He had very good friends. I came to the park and went to the park. I came to Dubai and went to the park. Then we were going to party. And the plane crashed. I was very small, but I was sitting in some questions. I don't have to go on the flight.

43:11So now you travel all over the world, how do you sit? I would sit down. Why do you travel to US for 15-16 hours? I don't think I would do anything in the flight. I would start a little bit. I'll start with my mind. If something happened, otherwise I would watch TV. I would watch movies and everything. After traveling, I would watch so much. What would I do? I have a phobia. And do you have a personal fear? No, that's what I said. Nothing. No. Is there any insecurity for yourself? Insecurity? Do you think it's a little less? What happened to me? I was not taught classical. It was very difficult.

44:00Before the child was not the problem. I mean, what do you say to children? I don't know. I didn't have a problem. You didn't teach anything. No. And when I was a little bit of a skill, I didn't get the guru to teach us. What would I mean? It would be destiny. I didn't teach classical music. It was a little bit of a skill. But maybe, by the way, you might have been a different sound in a different direction. It might be. It might be for me. It might be for me. that is what happened to me. You know, interesting. In classical music, you feel more like this, this place, this place, this place. Now, there is no tension.

44:54It's a feeling. Exactly. It's a feeling in the song. Whatever you sing, it's a feeling. Now, you feel, beauty, beauty, you believe in them, it's probably not for me. Absolutely, for me. How did Navratri change over the years? You are doing so many years. 30 years, 31 years you said you are doing. Yeah. So what changes in Navratri and today's Navratri? What has changed? How has people changed? How has dances changed? How has commercialization? How has fashion changed? Explain me that. I started to say that. It was not so crazy. But it wasn't like 10 people. It was a trend. It was late until the night.

45:40People were playing with it. People were playing with it. They were playing with it. It was a lot of people. They had a big decor. They had a small stage. It was a little bit like you said. It was a price of tickets. It was a dance group. It was a dance group. Now there are many classes. There were a lot of changes. and when you look at the upper states, what changes do you see in the crowd apart from fashion? What changes do you see in people's behavior? What changes do you see in people's behavior? Musically, people are more than the people in the beach. Filming, songs, etc. all of them were more.

46:24Now, people like to listen to Gujarati songs. They like to play on Gujarati folk music. Region more. Yeah, region more. What is about folk music? That it's very timeless. Like I also listen to folk music sometimes. In shows, in Navratri, somewhere. It's good. I don't know the language either I've heard the songs. I don't know this. that old 50 years old that today is new 2 years old no idea but I have a lot of fun and my friends I have seen that they are any religion Christian Hindu Muslim South Sikh North East West everyone they just love it what is the fact that folk music is a special thing that all people attract simplicity it's not difficult like Like, Kisariyo Rangita Nila Gyalya Gharba, Kisariyo Rangita Nila Gyalya Gyalo.

47:27Like you say, Punjabi would like to be a good person, South, because we perform all over the world. So, everyone enjoys this world. Everyone knows this world. Because it's a simplicity. It's not a simple note. It's easy to understand. and the people of Rajasthan, any of them are the people of your state. So, it's simplicity. That's why it touches the heart. It's because they love universally. Yes. Is there a reason that something happens in beats? What is the way it becomes? Every state of Rajasthan, every state of its people, the rhythm of Rajasthan. In Gujarat, the people of Gharba, the people of Gharba, the people of Gharba, the people of Gharba, the people of Gharba, It's like the wind, the wind, the wind, the wind, the wind.

48:15It's like the rhythm of the south. It's different from that. What difference is this? It's interesting. I don't know. Tell me a little difference. East, West, North, South. We divide four parts. What happens in the four? Which things come from where? Can you tell a differentiation? I only know rhythm. I've told you about the same as the river. And just the event of the oxidation in terms of virtue or permett mas общissy. Crime has torn up. This is prohibitive 경험 independents. The economy is great.

48:56Does the oil increase like the East side? especially Bengals side or northeast side their typical sound is the open sound in Bengal and you'll understand in a second and in which country you'll be the most fun from India from India from India from India from of course US yeah the Gujarati community is the most popular there too a lot and after we go to the 23-24 we go to the US yeah so you're more hype or post-Navarathia we go pre also we go post also pre pre then then the whole night then the whole night then the whole night then the whole night then the whole night and which country you perform in other countries and in UAE there is a great response in Dubai good crowd and Dubai is the same India but it is like the same as US India yes wow it is a little nice it is a little it is a little it is a little two hours it is a little some fans come here and travel they travel from here India I heard that the most popular city is Dubai.

49:58What the story? And who are you the most popular music inspiration? Two or three people who are very inspired. What are these people? They have to do something like that. They have to do something like that. Like when I was listening to Asha Ji. So I heard them. I heard them on radio and I learned the songs. I mean, they have to do something like that. They have to do something like that. I was singing in the stage. I was singing in Asha Ji's childhood. I thought you can't touch with me. I can do a little bit of a try. So, I was singing in her childhood. So, I was like the kind of a song to get them.

50:35That's what my dream was. When my first album released, I remember that. My musician was playing in Asha Ji's group. I was living in Santa Cruz. I was also living there. But Asha Ji told me. I was so worried about them. I saw them in front of me. So, they sat in the back and said, I said, you are very good. Then, I took a kitchen in the kitchen. We had tea and explained how it is in the industry. How do you have to take your stand? To take your money together. It was a great meeting. It was a great meeting. nice memorable and who are you today who you like to see this is an inspiration you should sing like this there are many people in today's day there are also people in today's day Lata ji, Asha ji yes there are some new singers who you like to see upcoming singers who you like to see this is an upcoming song the music you are asking today I am asking Satiparampara Sachit Parampara Sachit Parampara his music his style I like Jonita Gandhi Arijit of course everybody loves it his music feels good Moe Chohan feels good oh nice yeah and they say have you heard of Aditya Aditya Gadvi yeah yeah of course you like him yeah yeah yeah he's a very good singer yes yes of course Because they mix folk and modern music.

52:17Yes, very good. We sing songs on our show. Oh. You don't have to sing that song. Everyone who likes the audience. We sing the audience. Have you ever had to take the other singers?

52:33I think they have to take the company. So you take it? Yes, the organizers do. They have to take proper permission. You give all the songs. and then you have to pay for it? Yeah, they must be paying some amount. So you have to give it. But until now, I don't get anything from it. How many people are coming here? I'll tell you, I don't get anything from it. So the company has some rights to your songs from the other side? Yes. Universal. Universal. So that's there. Do you like working with music companies, labels? Do you exploit them? Or do they do? I only worked with them for 6 years and they were very good.

53:16The rest of them were quite genuine. Today, they have royalty. That's right. So not bad. You've enjoyed that. Okay. Who's your dream collaboration? If you have to collab with someone one time, who would you do? It was your dream of Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson? when I started singing I was also young I was like, I should have done a song with my own I don't think so Let's see Why did you think about Michael Jackson? I liked his music The beats he was like, especially the music The beats he was like Which one of you would have been singing with Michael Jackson If you would have to remix it What do you think?

54:03I didn't think about it in that direction But I wanted to sing with him I thought that he was singing with Asha Ji. I think he was singing with him on stage. That was the dream. Today, there is a young artist who has said that he should have a dream. He is a great, of course. He is amazing. Everybody loves him. What do you like most about him? What do you think about him? He is on the ground. I've seen him. His nature is quite grounded. is. I mean, that air is not visible yet. He is very grounded. He just feels... But when he sees his personality, he is who he is. Interesting. Tell me two or three things that are a point of view from performer.

54:52What should you keep the most important as a performer? When you perform over thousands of people. I've learned that in this year I've learned that I had a mistake. or if it doesn't feel bad, it was just my face. I didn't know the audience, but I used to be like, I'm like, this is the stage. But I started controlling that. Because they don't need to know the audience. That it's my fault, I know. But the audience is enjoying it. Why do they give me a relief? I'm frowning them. So I've started to think, that this doesn't matter. It should be wrong. It should be wrong. Sometimes it should be wrong.

55:33It should be wrong. It should be wrong to see the audience. It should be wrong to see the face. And the music, the tempo, doesn't have to be wrong. But you should do it before? It was not natural. I tried controlling. Did you forget the lyrics? Did you miss it? Did you say wrong? It's been a lot. But the audience would laugh. I'm like, okay, okay, okay. No one has to do it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But I've never heard anything like that. I've never heard of it. Something has been left in life, that you need to do this thing now? Aircraft is going to buy. Personally. What a yacht, what a yacht is going to say, it's not going to buy it.

56:16When you go to Goa, you'll see, you'll see, you'll see, you'll see, you'll see. A yacht is going to take it, but what is it? What is it? What is it? What is the season? No, no, no. We have a whole team. We have to pay tax. If you are the last thing, whenever that happens, how do you want to remember you? How do you want them to remember you? I have never thought about self-aware questions. People should look like this. I think it's the last minute of the work. I think it's the best way to do it. I mean, give your fullest. You can feel so much, and how much you can feel. But then, who has seen it?

57:08How do you do it? It's always happy. When they go out of the ground, they all smiley faces. They enjoy it. That's it. Yes. Nothing like that. I want to keep people like this. Why? Who am I? Why? There are so many people. I mean, look, everyone is planning on Ishwar. He will do it. Who am I? Who am I? I am. True. You never think about everything. Okay. What is it? You have fun. No. You have fun. I have fun. What are your next plans now? what are you planning on next? Near future we are traveling next week going to USA, Canada then Dubai then Mumbai again we are traveling after that pre-wedding gigs we are still working until March free time when you get to it?

58:07March April it's a little peace March to July August is a little and then September and then pick up. Especially June to start preparation next night. June, July is preparation time. September and something like this long term plan that you have to do this in the next 10 years. No. No. I don't believe it. But I didn't plan that. Never. What will happen tomorrow? What will I do tomorrow? I haven't thought. Really. Today I have 10 rupees for my life. I have to drink tea and drink. What do I do today? I have never thought about it. Luckily, the brother of Ishwar Krupa who is a CEO who is working on my work, he knows what he has done with savings and he doesn't know what to do today.

58:59Enjoy today's day. I have money in my life. What was the last thing I had before? Today I have money in my life. I can buy this. I can enjoy. It's fun. Today's day. I love it. Is there a personal ritual before going to your stage? We pray together. And of course, I do my Hanuman Chalisa before going on stage. That gives me strength. Every time. Every performance. Every day. Whatever you perform in any world. Of course. You perform before Hanuman Chalisa. Why did you start doing this? From childhood. My sister, my elder sister, My native place is Amdabhad. My mom, dad, there was a small temple of Hanumanji.

59:46I used to go to my sister and she used to take me. Then I got to Hanumanji. I got to take Hanumanji. You got to take Hanumanji? And sometimes, does it happen that in a day, two, three, four shows are happening? It was happening before. It wasn't happening before. When we were singing in the orchestra, sentences say that when workshops do money at 9am. I pass on Delsa in terms of the show that geben companies in religious speech, a day LOVE people stay social. to follow the same ritual change or not people just a little and back? No. Second, 1m few workshops, we should do some of them as 4p once again, maybe they do whatever you want to show, I just want So hard work, and show what do you do is there a ritual after show that no it's just now you'll sleep after that we'll talk before before you have to say thanks for the day of course and then you have to so that's every time ritual yeah and explain me this that when you have a show you have said that this year you are going to 10 days and you will be indoor show so what are you behind the scenes when do you start preparation what do you think what do you think what do you think which singers will I take and which people will I take or what new what goes on tell me the preparation behind the scenes mostly I mean my team fixed same okay how many people how many I have almost 19 to 20 musicians I have three core singers, backing vocals and MC.

1:01:39And our sound engineer is our whole team. So how many people are in total? 25-30? Almost. We will be more. So 30, let's say, average, approximately 30 people. Correct. And the last 25 years, we are together. So all of you together. Now, you are sitting here, Okay, this year we will do this in Navaratri. This year we will do this in pre-Navaratri, post-Navaratri. What will you decide? Tell me about that meeting. Let's say I am a part of spectator. For Navaratri, I first sit. Like I started Shravan, I started to find songs. Now we get to YouTube. It wasn't like that. We used to go to Gujarat's village.

1:02:25We used to go to Darshan. people would make chỉta, uh... mwei boogoene, uk.. daiyanem Всahham, praobose, mayain James' songs, I used to get it.him iliai sitting, im off with that. I decided to make a list. Then we were sitting in my group's three or four main missions. We were sitting first. Then we were sitting in 5-6 days, and we were sitting in which songs we would like to take, what we would like to do, which songs we would like to take, which songs we would like to take. Then we were sitting in the group with the other 5 days. All songs. And we revised all songs. So all songs you choose to decide in the final?

1:03:04I was taking a list first, I take my time and ask the group to sing. We will see which songs are good and not. Then we also jot down. And your set is prepared every day? No. We do sound check every day. Then after the sound check we make a list of which songs are going to be. Okay, at that time. One, two, three hours, each other. Has it been like seeing the crowd and changing? No. crowd you know how many years they know which sequence they know will tell what about this today they know now they know you you know them correct absolutely thank you so much it was lovely talking to you thank you I was very happy talking to you same here now I have seen you very early in the time I will come back again

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