Inside Bengal’s Politics: Mamata Banerjee, Violence, India & Modi | Mrityunjay | FO493 Raj Shamani

29:55and where there is more employment, we support them. But there are monopolies, MNC, big industries, we don't support them. Principally, again, looks okay. But, where there is a value chain, there is no place like that. There will only exist small and cottage industries. There will be a big industry, there will be a small industry, there will be a small industry, then there will be a small industry. In the big circle, there will be 5-6 less. Correct. Second, when there are big industries, 150-500 employees are employed, whose disposable income will be paid, they will be the small cottage industries.

30:33So nowhere in the world can cottage and SME industries sustain just on themselves. So idealistically, you said it's very good to hear it. But no, it doesn't work that way. Essentially, you're saying that the big companies don't have me. You're still keeping me. This went on happening. and a kind of militant trade unionism which we call you see trade union the most movements in India where there was Bengal and Kerala because again the two places so whether CPM you see trade unions then all parties have been trade unions C2 Congress has been in Tuck BJP has been all of their trade unions they say that if you you have to change a bulb in Bengal in a factory.

31:25You had to take a union's power to take that. So, wherever the trade unions are so powerful, I don't know that we can close the factory 2 minutes. We have that leverage and power. They'll start dictating the most basic of terms also. Because I can raise controversy in any way. Being in factories, where the workers have been in the morning, in the night. Right? because the discontent will be something else someone will be a good person right this went on happening during an era Jyoti Basu PM until 77 to 91 24 years sorry 2001 24 years now in this time 91 reforms come right this party was still 2011 then Budhade Bhattacharya came in Okay, but the same party.

32:22Okay. As in 2001, you said that reforms started in 1991. Correct. So, until 1990, I think that in the whole country, there were a lot of things. There was a license, a license, a quota, a quota. Who will produce factory or not? License. In 1991, we have reforms. And now, you can see that many states opened up to MNCs. They opened up to investments and all of that. In fact, the southern states were the best people who took advantage of that. In fact, all the states that you see today, the success stories Karnataka and Dharam. 91 ago, they were not the successful states. All of them are product of liberalization.

32:57Right? So, they have done that on the spot and Bengal stuck to its core. So, 91 from 2003 is an interesting date. There was a research published. It said that in this liberalization in the past, most of the investments in India, from that, there were only two states from Maharashtra and Gujarat. Right? Because they were the magnets of investment. but how much of Bengal got to get to Bengal got to 5 % from the value from the value of 4 % from the proposals very interesting Gujarat was able to convert 55 % of them Bengal converted 35 % of them why is that? that's what I'm saying they're so indifferent to it that's not my priority I'm a leader of industries so if you come to me I'll ask 4 questions what are you going to do?

33:43how are you going to keep my friend? so it's like I'm doing great I am doing the factory. I am doing the factory. I am doing the factory. It is a great thing. So, you don't have to progress. I personally don't have to do that. My party's ideology, what I am based on. My people are happy. But, for the ideology, I need to give my people money. Through some other ways. Explain. If there is a party who wants to do that, we, the only poor people, we will help them. right our struggle is that the who is a leader is a leader who has a leader so let them know and we can all together that's the idea essentially problem is that those who have nothing they have to give us so when industries are coming allow us to do it so we take them and take them and take them and create them and create them and create them and then spend them and create them all of them very logical question so in the first level it's like they are becoming if I don't know if I should say this but technically what I can understand that you manage poverty but you fail exactly that's a beautiful way in which you can summarize this so first I'm giving industries but what I'm doing I'm going to say that you guys are very suppressed you how do you give 500 how did you give it to him?

35:16He's been working so much, you have to give it a thousand days. Now, what is it essentially saying? I'm logically saying I'm good for the worker. But the factory can't survive for the 1 ,000 rupees. Because the global market is in India. There's no time to buy it in the market. Correct. So now somebody would have to be very moderated to think from both sides. I have to show this balance to say that industrialists don't have to be a problem. Okay, I would have a news on them that they don't do anything wrong. I don't want to exploit it. Correct. but I will exploit it how many days will it that's one second to make that party no need to give the people of Bengal every single person to give money to Bengal it was necessary to keep their cadres motivated the communist party cadres now cadres are what kind of thing is cadres are so brainwashed by taking the communist ideology for example when Vietnam was going So, in Bengal, people protested, they were out of Vietnam for support.

36:18And today's globalized world is not. Today, you're out of the Palestinian world. That's different. In the 60s, what does Vietnam mean? And it was a message. Amar nam, thumar nam, Vietnam, Vietnam. My name, thumara nam, Vietnam. It was posters of Calcutta. Vietnam was supported. For what? Because that was also a communist nation. The communists were fighting the US. Right? That's what I'm saying. So, ideology is so driven. Now, what happens? How can you motivate the scatter? So, you can see the communists that essentially there is a big difference between the other parties. It is that the other parties, the government and the party are different.

36:53There is a broad line. So, BJP government is a body. BJP party is a body. They don't dictate each other. They will be the same. They will be the same. Congress will be the same. The rest of the parties will be the same. What is the communists in the communists? Party is government and government is party. So, essentially, Like you can see, the party chief will become the Prime Minister President. So here also what happens is, the functionary of the party is the lowest level, the Booth's authority, the Zonal Committee member and secretary, is so legitimized his position, that there is a place in that area, there is a BDO CEO office, if he will say something, he will listen to it like the government's authority.

37:36Now what happens because of this? Since he has so legitimized, now he has the authority to get things done right when he has authority in these things he is doing that and the other people who are watching that all of them are watching that there are so many authority he has the authority he has the authority he has the authority he has the authority he has the authority he has the money now these people then take the rest of the people that I will do your work and this is cut money this parallel state is going on because there is legitimacy right now I am not saying this corruption does not exist in other places.

38:10Of course it does. But it does. But where they have a private enterprise or private will be taken into account that someone has made a little and made money and is being taken out. Here it is structured in that way. This is structure. There is a secretary of the zone. There will be a job and there will be any PM who will make the zone. So, it will be to get the 20 ,000 of it. It's fixed. So, you have to make a house and give money from this. You have to make a job and give it to this. In fact, it became very big. Like they say political society that means what is that like there is a lot of good so if there is if there is a place then they will solve it.

38:49Their word is that final word. There is a domestic place that has reached to the house so he will solve it. There will be clubs that will be so clubs like fancy clubs as they are playing with the or a room took a room and it became club and that becomes the center of all dispute resolution every policy practice in that locality right you are legitimized that club as no law or anything law can you state government this is the law we are the club okay and this is reality for a long time yes yes ever since the left government has existed there that's what I'm saying they have a very unique model party party party party party party party party party party right now now now these guys who cut money are getting motivated exactly exactly second second it was later in fact and it was now it was a great criticism it was syndicate so CPM officially says that like when Calcutta started construction So, where the land acquisition was, especially in Newtown area, you will see.

40:09So, CPM said that the young people who have acquired land, make small groups. And you can make a syndicate and supply the people to the construction. Give them a tree, give them a tree, give them a tree. Give them a tree. So, you will also get a little bit of a tree. So, okay. It's not bad in a sense of principle. But in the beginning, syndicates become a group. He said that the tree source source and source and source some company, we are giving. Now, as soon as syndicate is structured, it was soon before the volition, then it was that we have to take it from this area. And the party has been legitimized.

40:47We have to take it from this rate. Right? Of course, that rate will be more than ever. Now, this syndicate started expanding to other regions as well. Now, you have to open a restaurant in this area, and there are listing operations, you will see many channels. I was CPM and TMC. I was exact. I was back to TMC. So, if you open a restaurant here, I will manage everything. I will give you 4 ,000 ,000 euros. Essentially, a permission for me. So, these guys who are syndicate guys, are you happy? What have you seen in their life? Not only are you happy. Not only are you happy. Also understand this.

41:26A normal party, what is he more driven by? Can anyone say ideology? Can anyone say it's possible, he has given some benefit from it, some small contract or road, this or that. In this model, you have almost a kind of salary or set money. Money plus power, you need something else. So now, this person will be fanatically, meaning be standing up for you as a party. And hence, this is the base of political violence in Bengal. That's how it is different. So, this is also happening today. right communist say how did it become exactly like you said cpm top cpm power went away right powerful but in this when cpm was there nuxil nuxils was like that right 67 that nuxil body movement yes yes yes and then then after that so i'll come to that so 67 they started this spread to some of the other parts of the country as well.

42:26You will see which we are talking about Bihar. So MCC, another offshoot which is the one who is in Bihar. So MCC was one of the parties largely. In the 36th, you always listen to the whole bussets, which you always listen to. Telangana, which you always listen to. All of it started from Naxalbadi. There was a little repression when the emergency Congress repressed. After 77, they kept on growing in some or the other ways. You can see in Bengal there is a whole region that is called the jungle

43:03The most ironic part is Why are they fighting? Like another party So they are fighting Right thought So they are fighting The government is left But they say Left is not enough We are extreme left So they are fighting Left is actually Actually. From our ideologies. Correct. But they will say that these are Marxists. These Marxist-Leninists are Maoists. Right? They are their factions. It still exists. What happened in the past half a year? If you have followed up. Our Home Minister Amit Shah, he made a very clear statement in the house saying that 31 March 2026 will be killed by this country.

43:46Now, when he came, he thought that this is an overstatement. because you see in the past 10-20 years it's a very difficult problem why is it problem? what is it? I live in the village I do normal I do not do normal I do not do normal I have sympathy I have to be connected I have to go to that I have to go to that or do something so I have to go to that I have to go there I have to kill two people and I have to go there so Naxalite is not a 1-0 it's just a normal person who keeps their sympathy with them, keeps them a little more who keeps them 2 hours or 6 hours who keeps them in the jungle differing levels so how do you identify them in the first place who are with them, are with them they are with them they are with them why will they tell you in those areas you do not have the infrastructure I have gone in Buster I have no idea now clearly police chief told us that only the town is not going out of our area town outside you have to inform police you have to you cannot go alone there were many areas the area is Maharashtra Telangana and Chhattisgarh border borders are very easy because police is one state and the other is one and the other is one and the other is one infested now what has happened in the last one to two years is massive level coming across the nation one with the coordinator which wasn't before.

45:17Right? Every state coordinate. Correct. And from the center coordinated. Now what has happened in the last year I think that four or five people killed. Some of the members of the Central Coordination Committee were killed.

45:30Surrenders are massive levels. They are almost pleading for negotiations and conversations. Center is saying no conversations now. Either put down the arms or get killed. One of those ways. So anyway, it is breathing its last stage. In fact, you will see in 2014 there were almost 700 districts in India. 125 districts, 115 districts were Naxal Infested. Now they are in 11 districts. So it's ending. Almost ending now. But until they were in Chathisgarh for some time. Chathisgarh, one time in 2013 they had a blast. A whole convoy was going to be the most senior leaders discussed it. Meaning, Chief Ministerial Candidates with Pradesh Adhyaq with the senior leaders.

46:1873 people were killed in that. And entire top brass of Congress leadership in 1936 wiped out in one blast. There have been such such blasts. I come from Jharkhand who is my first Chief Minister and killed his son when he was the Chief Minister. Right? So, but now yeah, it's almost a bad scene. Yeah, yeah. Okay, now coming back to Bengal. Yeah. So, So this was the era of Choti Basu. They wanted to come to the industries. But the industries didn't come. And when was this going? 2001. 2001. 2001-2011. So in 2001, again, there were state elections. Until then, Mamta rise. Before Mamta, there was a massacre.

47:04Which massacre? You mentioned. Marij Jhaapi. What is it? This is 1979. Marij Jhaapi. Yes. What is it? So Marijhap is a very small island, Sundarpan ka delta. So if you look at Bengal, the southern side of Bengal is where it merges with the sea. It's a very plain land. So when the river is merged with the sea, there are distributors, small islands. So it's a delta region. Sundarpan ka delta. Now, what happened is, when Bengal divided in 1947, there was a lot of influx of refugees. Bengalis and Hindus have a lot of. Compare that with the influx from West, Pakistan. You will see there, there were many colonies built there.

47:53Who were refugees in Delhi, Punjab? You will see a lot of. Bengal was not prepared for that influx. so very maximum flag from Calcutta so so overcrowded since there was religious violence from them then there were other people like there and that border always is like the west border can自由 it's an a person cannot wait everybody there's no such Bangladesh border too there are many more places may be unffaced there are everybody they are under into all 시 religious persecution then there are people in the war in the 71st century many people have so very massive influx now the beach when they come first West Bengal then there are many people there are a lot of people so the Assam is the north there is Tripura but after that I thought there is no so the government has made a dund karenny plan so dund karenny if you have read the book when you were Ramanji going then which is a large forest area Madhya Pradesh, Uriza, Te Lenggana which is the whole border area that is called Dundkarane Forest so that forest is cleaned up and cleaned up because there are no places so people have to take Dundkarane and clean up some people have to take and take them in Delhi in fact if you know of this colony called Chitranjan Park CR Park in fact it was for us so many people now these people went to the there there was something there was a jungle they were cleaning it they said just go there is no community there is no basic resources there is there is there is a danger of diseases so there is there is no Bengali there is no basic familiarity so they said that there is no way there is no way there is no way this is a debate wait always.

49:57The leftist leaders were the congressman who said that there was a lot of non-concerns with them. They should have been in Bengal. There are Bengali people. They are going to go. In 77, there was a leftist So when they were in 77, there was a leader. They said, now we can call here. Now we always stay with us. So this is a conversation, a private conversation which is mentioned in one of the books. It says that Jyoti Basu said, okay, we were in that but we couldn't do this. You come and see yourself. we won't be disappointed but we won't support this was the communication so these people they came to the team they saw a small island in Sunderban and there was a small island that was a jungle jungle but they thought that anything it was their home it's a Bengali area so they came there cleaned up there buses island in fact they opened a small thing a clinic opened slowly a small school

50:55But they almost settled there. Now, when the government started to know that they thought that we didn't have that we didn't have that people would have gone here. This is almost inhabitable. They just went here. So they said that we cannot allow this. They said that this is a reserved forest area. So it is not allowed for people to live here. And a report didn't get away that it will be ecological disaster. if people keep migrating here. Right? So these people have to move out. Now people have said, we are so far away, we are so far away, we are here. We have not brought anything from you. At least let us be here.

51:35They just said, and there's a very famous statement, they said that the East Pakistan refugees or the Hindu refugees, they are not only Bengal refugees, only our responsibility is the whole country. Why do we keep it? Right? It was a clear principle. So in the beginning, in fact, just Gantantra Ridvas two days ago, the government told me that it's 1444. So basically, no one can go out from that island or in the middle. Now they had to go for basic water for drinking water. Because on the island was fresh water. So first of all, they had to drink that. So people had to drink contaminated water.

52:14Then some of them died. Then it happened that when the situation was a little tired, and then the fire started to get on the ground and then the firing was killed then the people were killed and then the people were killed and then the people were killed and then the firing was killed and then the group was killed in 15 days right and there's always a debate how many people killed in this right, some official numbers, government says two people killed from the shooting which is not true of course then after 15 days, High Court intervened and said that you have to give a passage for food, water, medical facilities.

52:51Then they'll see what to do or not. That's a separate but that passage has to be given. And then that passage was given and then people and then legal battle was fought. But this is very dire because a government who came to our people as refugees, which we had given a kind of wish. That you are your people. Come. We will be here. And who is being here without our resources. I would be here in Calcutta. I would believe that I would have believed that I had resources very constrained, so much of the population and I think that when I see the beauty of a deep delta, I have to push you from there.

53:26And hence it was very, it was criticized very strongly. It's a blatant betrayal. It is, it is. It is a blatant betrayal. Yes. So what happened after that? It happened, it got settled. Because see, it was so, and it was in a lot of Sankhya. Again, the logic is similar. Either you don't give up first, ne do right ya toh tum pahli deklarer kar do ki reserve forest sa jab bas ra ho tabhi tum bana kar do jabhi community wahan bas ja rahi hai second as a principle also court say ki koji basi wahi community hai na aagar usko ukhad raha ho then give a alternate resettlement true that's how it should be exactly and okay so this is massacre yeh CPM ne sab kya but yeh sab Bengal ke loge dekh raha ther phil bhi hunh support kar raha see narratives matter more okay toh kahi bar kya hote hai na ki narrative Okay, let's get Judge me media and papa media doesn't come wrong Right So narrative in Error I told you We make DLC which will get up to be prec�� discovering ,, suchangi And dalej'lls go and壹 Met Minimal

54:42ndal vielen nd al vielen in that there is always violence. Like sometimes we consider the rest of the states very bad. In the Bahar, there is a lot of violence in the electoral. Never compared to what happens in Bengal. Bengal is more violence. Political violence. Any given day. Then Bihar. Then Bihar. Yes. Any given day. Political violence. Yes. You will see elections, the election, see CPM voting. You will see data. out, elections pre-pol violence, post-pol violence is a very famous incident. 1990 municipal elections state government and people are not Nabae was municipal election and it is called the peak of CPM violence, political violence.

55:28An incident was Bantala rape. 15 days before the election the CPM cadres were in Bantala party office across Calcutta from 15 kilometers. Three months He was going to go to a health department. He was going to go to a health department. He was going to go to a car. A mob of CPMN. Not just one or two people. He picked them up. He raped them. When he was a driver, he was going to resist him. He was going to go to a car. After that, the police justify it. He said that they thought they were going to go to a child. They were going to go to a child. He was going to go to a statement. पसक्ता आत्सक्त dEmily supplement दीया ऐसी चीज़े तो होती रहती है Right?

56:13And these are CPM men. And this proof is that CPM men? Yes, yes, yes. This is not even here. So I'm saying it is so normalized in that society, in that political society of CPM and now TMC, that this is going to be political violence for winning the election. There's a lot of wrong. What is this political violence? This is not political violence. This is just women's safety.

56:43you have two sides to it. Elections are, one can be heard before, you know, you know, they are not with our ideology, you support us. So that can be possible. And the other, it is an assertion of power. So generally what happens? I just live in the village, in the election. In the election day, what happens, it happens. But in the election day, I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm scared, I will make the place like this before. That everyone knows that it is a danger. It is not a danger. But it doesn't do that. If these people give power, they do this with our daughters. That's a very good question. Then I will go out.

57:21Typically, if I am in my society and I feel like I am powerless, I cannot do anything against them. They have made me wrong with my friends. I can't do anything about the police. They have a CM. So I would not vote them. Yes. I would not vote them but I would also not I would also not go and I won't do the party in the fear of their party this is also the other angle so that's why you see against their party so I won't do the party I won't do the party or I won't do the party or when a reporter comes to someone asks who you will vote I will say that I will not give CPM or TMC vote so the fear will be so much so the vote will not be given so that's why when the last election happened in 2021, BJP got 38 % votes.

58:10Where are those votes? That 30 % says, I will give BJP a vote. They give it. That's why they give it.

58:19Okay, so this is CPM atrocity happening. There are a lot of examples. Give me one more. A lot. In fact, in 1990, until Mamata Banerjee aggressively, she was on the scene. She has always been a very aggressive, fierce lady. Mamata Banerjee, you know in 84 in fact she won the first Lok Sabha election and that's also very interesting Somnath Chatterjee is a very famous CPM leader stalwart and from a seat which is called the Leningrad of Calcutta means the communist hub is the seat of Jadavpur you have heard Jadavpur University in a lot of protest so that's like the hub of communism Calcutta or Bengal in that seat CPM Somnath Chatterjee was the seat when she was just 29 so many people say that she was just assassinated in 1984 and that aside she won it and she became a hero so in 1990 she was very light as somebody who is so fierce and so prominent in 1990 these people were protesting in South Kolkata a very famous intersection very busy chalk when people were protesting which protest Congress and Mamta was a part of you know youth congress so when people protest so the whole protest suddenly CPM and police are walking and one of them is the CPM the white world and after it's a very common photo you can search she's throwing the whole and beating Mamta Banerjee and she's like her she was hospitalized for a month right and they come back to their knowledge.

1:00:05At that time Rajiv Gandhi is a president of the Youth Congress. They say she is a lady. And they really trust Rajiv Gandhi. This was very often in Calcutta. I think in 1993, a rape is a girl of a gay girl. And there is a person involved in CPM. So those people come to Mamta. के पास आते हैं, Mamta Congress की होती है, Main Opposition है वो, Mamta के पास आते हैं, Mamta कहते हैं, चलो तुम, Writers Building, Writers Building है CM Office, वहाँ पे पहुचती है, तब तक Mamta न, Narsimhaarov Government पे, she was a Minister of State, so she is important, right, तो उसको लेकर वहाँ पहुच जाती है, Writers Building, CM से मिलाने के लिए, As for now, you go there.

1:00:46There's someone who asks for him to Rep Bose. Right? Then he calls for money on drugs and it getsraiskely. anymore they say she beats. And then he knows police commissioner to bond with a only person. They raise him. They withdrawing into a välicky name. Yeah? and goes to the city. She is a minister. Yeah. National. Yeah. She was one of the cabinets. Yeah, yeah. Minister of State in the P.V. Nersi Maharao Government. And then she takes a sense of that I will not be in the writers building until I will not be a judge. Meaning, until I will become a CMD.

1:01:28Just a couple of months next. I think that year in June, this will be a joke in January. June में. Then Congress protest कर रही थी. Writers Building के सामने ही. And it was interesting that he protest कर रही थी. Voter I card को लेके. Now, Mamta Bhajar जी उसके दूसरे camp में है. So, in fact, they said that CPM voting को rig करती है. So, this is why voter I card compulsory किया जाए. So, that he rigging ना कर पाए. Bogus vote ना मारता है. Those people writers building in front of the youth congress. Mamta was leading it. Tear gas is running, guns are running, 13 people are beating. They're all political violences.

1:02:03Exactly. That's so normalized in people's minds and hearts. Otherwise, see. It's an election. It's all going to happen. Politics is going to happen. So otherwise, if you see, Bengalis as people, they're not so violent. If you're a man, then talk to them. talk about them. See you in the normal way. You'll be in hostels, you'll be in friends. Least of the violent people that I've met in my life. Right? Least of the aggressive people that I've met in my life. But in politics, in Bengal, violence takes the front seat. Tell me, Mamata Banerjee how did she rise in the movie? How did she rise? Where did she come from?

1:02:42If she won an election, she'll be very prominent starting. So, So the best part about her, she comes from a background which is lower middle class, no political lineage. Lost her father early in the age. So one of the few ladies or leaders in the country, I would say, who are self-made, who you say. Right? From ground zero. From ground zero. Right? And she started also very early in politics. She was studying at Yogmaya Devi College. And she started with student politics. So Congress has a big question of the student. She started with that. And a very, so she hasn't lost her demeanor. That same thing was at the beginning.

1:03:26So at the beginning, you can see theatrics, it used to be earlier as well. So she was very famous, Mouradji Desai, when she was the president, who showed her the girl. Right? JP, when she came to Calcutta, she was going to protest with her car in that moment. She was a stalwart, right? So she was theatrics at that moment. Right? And she was very, very, that was vocal, aggressive. Indra Gandhi supported her in emergency. Because she was with the Congress. She was like, I will stand with Congress, I will support this. In 1984, as I said, first time, she won the Lok Sabha elections. So, there was no Congress for the seat of Jadapur.

1:04:06Anyway, CPM was a huge hub. Congress was a big deal in Bengal, but Jadapur was a big deal that we will win. So, Indra Gandhi was looking for a new candidate, young candidate, who will be challenged. And then Mamata was selected. Mamata is a mentor. He writes in his biography. She has the name of Mamata. She gets the seat and she wins it actually. How does she win? She is a girl. The biggest factor you can say is Indira Gandhi's assassination just happened. And in that sympathy wave, you can see in the whole country. Congress got a huge mandate. Across the country. So mostly you have to contribute that.

1:04:43But you will also have to give it to Mamata. You can see Mamata that you will see. She's somebody who will be on her feet all the time moving somewhere. Not somebody who will move in a caravan or sit in a house. That's not that nature. So, she's going to meet with a factory and she's reached somewhere. So, the actual politician ground should have been reflected in the 84th. But Congress also says, you'll see there. There's a lot of warmth in the moment. She was opinionated, fierce, young women. Right. So, making her space was very very difficult for her. No political lineage. In 89, then election happens.

1:05:22Right. So, I said, I got to get to meet Congress. Right. In 90, I said, the Hazra incident, the Hazra junction. Then, the youth Congress president becomes the president. Rajiv Gandhi, they always trust her. Rajiv Gandhi always trust her mentor. And that's why you see, Sonia Gandhi doesn't attack. Even though, Congress does not attack. Sonia Gandhi doesn't attack. Okay. She always had a very fond relationship with Rajiv Gandhi. Then, in 91 elections, they change their seats they win in South Kolkata they win in the P.V. Natsimha Rao government they become Minister of State HRD, Women and Child Development but it's always a finicky nature so they always take a decision so they become Minister and then in 1992 there is Brigade Parade Ground Calcutta's most iconic ground which you can say like Delhi Ramlila and Gandhi Meydan Brigade Parade Ground so I say that I resign from the Ministry of the Ministry the reason is that I should stay in Bengal because I don't like the centre so I resign from the Ministry of the Ministry then after the meeting TADA you remember law which was the Congress so TADA in 87 and every 2-2 years it was sunset clause so every 2-2 years the government had to renew So in 1993, the new Congress came and took it to renew.

1:06:45So, he started to be re-reviewed. Why? TADA was also very controversial. Because it was very misused. So, he said that I won't give TADA to TADA. I won't give TADA to me. I'll give it to me in the parliament. I'll give it to him. So, how will the party say it to us in the re-reviewed? So, he got the placard to TADA. So, these are all the theatrics. Then, in fact, in 1995, they resigned from the member of parliament. resigned from that moment. He said, I don't like it. In 1993? In 1995. Then the speaker told him later, leave it. So he took it back. So this, you know, what is her nature, this you would observe even now.

1:07:26And once she was fierce, she was very opinionated, decisive. So because of that, the older guard was West Bengal Congress. So there was a lot of pride in the world. So always there was pride in the world. So what happened in 1997? She stood for the West Bengal President elections. That I will go to the President's election. For Somin Mitra, she lost. The other great leaders were the great leaders, the previous leader, Ranjan, Dash Munsi, etc. She supported Somin Mitra. Correct. She lost. Until Rajeve Gandhi went to the same time in 1991. Congress was in a little shambles. And she would always say that Congress is in the Bt.

1:08:02Okay. She was saying that Congress is a terrible. It means it's a blue line. It means it's blue from the top. Blue means it's a CPL. And it's a lot of leaders inside. And it cannot or is not playing the role of real opposition. So, Mamta always would complain of that. So, in 1998, she said that we will make a party. She made a three-numul Congress. Sonia Gandhi also made a lot, she said that it will not happen from Congress. And now you will see, the party made in 1998, people have elections. So immediately they became the principal opposition. Because actually until Congress was established that she was a leader who actually CPMs.

1:08:47So immediately Congress became third. She became the face of opposition. TMC. It's interesting that now until Congress was created in 1998-1999 and became the government of Vajpayee Ji. So Vajpayee Ji became the government of the government. I said that I will be a government of the government but outside. I will not become the government. I will not become a minister. Then the minister will become a minister. After that, the price was higher. Right? In 2000, and Vajpayee Ji's knee surgery was in Bombay. Bridge Candy Hospital. So, they said that the petrol is higher, so I'm going to resign. So, Vajpayee Ji gave me written assurance that I will reconsider.

1:09:24So, she said, okay, I will stay. So, this part is funny also. In 2001, there was a total of time.

1:09:35in 2001 in West Bengal state elections with Congress in coalition and they had a very bad performance in 2001 what was interesting as I said the liberalization came in 91 all states were doing like that so when the southern states or the rest of the states didn't do good these people started realizing that we were back to where and that people started a little conversation plus the youth was also old and there were some little corruption and all allegations they didn't say themselves but they went to their son they were also UK trained the son of English Scotch, Golf so that was a little conversation that they were learning about Bengal austerity, they were wearing starch and clothes and clothes the son is growing Bengal is not growing, the son is growing so CPM ko laga ke na ki ye thoda sa play kar sakta hai elections mein right to nho ne kya ki election ko turant pahle chief minister candidate bna diya Budhadev Bhattacharji ko right anti-incumbency khatam ho gai Budhadev Bhattacharji a kind of person which means whiter than white right very respected Gabriel Garcia Marquez ko nho ne translate kia hoa tha Ramindar Tagor paddhe thai right to woh bhadr loog bholta hai Bengal mein so bhadr loog is essentially how you should conduct yourself that gentleman right Right.

1:11:00That CPM always maintains that you should conduct, talk, be in a certain way. Right. So, Jyoti Basu before defined her, she was a bader. Then Bhattacharya also defined her bader. Fitting to be the Chief Minister of the State. Vis-a-vis Mamta, if you will see it, even with all her protests, fierceness and everything, they would look at her in a certain way that she is frivolous. so she can be in the opposition right chief minister like correct demeanor demeanor demeanor you never know predictability right so somebody may not see this so maybe not consciously but subconsciously he doesn't fit in the image okay you can't see it in the form of CM right so like they have made CM and actually CPM came back with a thumping majority.

1:12:01294 seats, 235 after 24 years of rule. Wow. And TMC, which was fighting in coalition with Congress, fed very badly. Then Mamata thought, this is wrong. I left the minister in the center. I was minister of railway. And then Congress said, sake weаны had come to sh 그러니까 bye then where will he fall then he said they wanted to go back to the India so India even though it was so tired George Fennéndez comentarios he had a little confidence theyEd send them to thenaj then he receives swarm in the swarm. After the negotiations were in the ground in rally they addressed and they felt that they will stay then they don't the and finally when people dissolve 15 before they give the coal and mines so that way if you see her trajectory until 2006 I would say In 2006 there are still elections in the state In 2006 there are still CPM Until 2006 While she was a fighter Face of the opposition Fierce, all of those things There are some things in her Which Bengali people would appreciate Which is her austerity In Bengali politics she is appreciated Pompancho doesn't appreciate So you will see she wears a white sari She will wear rubber Blue and white right

1:13:42she still lives in the same house she was born and brought up in by the way still she still lives with all her brothers sisters in law nephews nieces she is not married but with extended family she lives there so Bengal appreciates that right but they did not appreciate but they did not see her as the chief minister's face up against the CPM so called Abuddha Deva and Jyoti Basu were so stalwarts right 2006 Takshi was not there she again lost in 2006 in fact she thought she didn't feel like she would become a minister in the state but she didn't feel like a CM up until 2006 right when Budhadev started they thought that the conversation started that the industries are in the country growing up the country growing up software parks nothing in Calcutta so CPM started changing some narrative change that the agriculture is a foundation but it's industry but CPM was saying everyone was saying how can it be but they started modeling in that way so Budhadev said he will bring industries now because that's the future we cannot without it we can't work without it so they started with many industrial houses how do we start this but as it happened so a little people gave compensation from farmers and they acquired 75 % of the compensation gave it and they did it and they did it and then they started that it was multi-crop land that it was multi-facet so it was used to go to the industries and then someone said that the first conversation that was not right not to be able to get the rates.

1:15:34The rates were not bad. And then there was a protest started. Then there was a very famous incident. It was a 17-year-old man of Tapsi Mallik. And he was a member of this group who was keeping a Christian family which is to protect that land. One day, she gets a nude, burned body on her site. When there is an investigation, she knows that she was raped and burned. Who did that? the fingers were pointed to two CPM cadders. They were identified actually. Right? A Zonal Secretary was in CPM. Then there was a lot of concern. There was a lot of concern. Then many people are connected to this. National, then Medha Patkar comes to this.

1:16:18Arunthati Raya comes to this. There are a very famous Bengali writer. After that, he got to Pandu Bhushan. Mahashweta Devi, he is connected to this. Mamtab Energy is connected to this. Mamtab Energy is that right opportunity. and then slowly which is very big there is 144 then he gets to get to the moment he gets to get to the moment but when he goes in the car he gets to be very good then he gets to be in Calcutta he gets to be in Amran and Shan this keeps on going so this is a gradual slow this is happening in these conversations in Indonesia they talk about a salim group that is also talking about good

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1:17:52oh, it's all for granted We take this benefit when the police거든요113 come to inscreve when it makes me some of them go to the investigation when we see which is used place police's goals. In fact, that keeps on snowballing. So, I think Singur starts from June. In that year, there is a Nandigram. This keeps on going. Nandigram is more than a angle. Nandigram is very heavily Muslim populated. Who generally were supporters of the CPM till then. So, this is also a narrative that the Muslims are against it. And in this incident, there is a case case comes. Just a couple of months next. And all of these are linked.

1:18:40Look at how. In 2006, there is a report from the Satchar Committee. What was the Satchar Committee? It was to examine the socio-economic conditions of the Muslims in India. And the report tells us that the Muslims are better in India in Dalits. And in that, their situation is better in Bengal. So, it was so revelatory that what have they done for us in all these years Congress being at the center and they being in the state why should we keep supporting them so that vote bank loses so very interestingly you will see that CPMs are also joined in TMC they joined in protest which were the extremist versions of the communist groups that are in violence they keep trust in the balance.

1:19:31Those people have to support TMC to support them to start their against and CPM against. So many of them who were ideologically extreme, they all TMC to support them and they started supporting them against the CPM government. So ideology and narrative became the same that they were and they were going to be industrialists. So now, when it becomes a narrative and how can you protect yourself? So Singur happened, Nandi Graham happened and then in fact a few days later a little area which I was telling you in the jungle in the jungle to the border so there what happens that there is a factory involved in Salbani was a steel factory of 5 ,000 acres 500 or 500 ,000 acres so there the Buddha and the steel minister was Raman Vila and Jitin Prasad were returning to Salbani factory and the when he was had to landmine blasts.

1:20:31This is changing. But the convoy goes to the blast. Then the maus says that we haven't done it. They accept it. They take responsibility. Then what do you think? Government is a massive repression and that is in the area. Now the naxalites which I have told you about the problem, identification is very difficult. So repression happens, many times with actual naxalites, people repress not repress. civilians exactly so there are many general tribals more than you see Bengal Jharkhand 36th in Naxalites 90 % tribals you see right because more than have nots from that repression in Naxalites which killed many tribals killed repression one narrative that tribal population and have nots repressive so you will see in 2006 Back to back events.

1:21:29Exactly. And they could not recuperate from that. A few narratives were made and after one, they were making a mistake. And in this reason, in 2011, I think they lost the battle. Plus, Mamata was a part of the UPS government. He was a railway minister. A little smartly they had done a lot of work for Calcutta and West Bengal. The metro was a lot of work for her. Railways was a lot of work for her. She also understood that from the other side, from the center, I should have seen it. to say you know I can be from the other side as well constructive side as well so it looked that this person Mamta took the government to the government and put it on the ground but I would industry list and put it on the ground and put it on the ground so that narrative built that she is no lesser than any of those communist stalwarts so that that started to see the chief minister's face that started to see that person she has a lot of power yes yes and that's how it started yeah and then in 2011 2011 you can already see that in 2009 there were all elections CPM lost some of its most secure seats which we call in that time there were five elections in that time so almost 2011 anybody who was on the ground had started feeling one thing is that since the 34th it is a difficult time to imagine but it is a difficult time but it is a difficult time to see very impartially it is a difficult time it is a difficult time to see that Mamata is going to come into power now so okay first verse people have heard these back to back series of events people have heard that CPM standing on which was not that's not the thing, now it's with the industry list on the other hand people have heard that it's our street, it's a lot of vocal, it's a lot of big government, big people she's also powerful and flashy she's one of us so she was genuinely being seen as that she was a rising figure but because you said that CPM was from 34 years and in 34 years their power was strong and there was a political violence so people didn't think they would vote exactly that's a very good question so you can see in 2011 elections extreme political violence in fact when you will see something in Bengal something below, then violence increases.

1:23:55Like now, you see a lot of violence. Political violence. In the last election, you saw a lot of violence. Because the BJP is posing a challenge to TMC. It's such a thing. But it's a little bit of a fear. So, it's also happened. So, you listen to the BJP campaign, you can listen to the Chupay Chap Kamal Chhaap. What does that mean? You don't have to say it, but you have to finally give it. It's the context of that you can't speak in Bengal when you can't speak in that power. You can't speak. You can't speak. there are so many videos available on the net these days wherein if there is a joke in the other party right, there is a joke in the other party it was just like that, after some elections you know somebody voted for BJP, they came back to their house the husband was pulled out, he was killed in fact, multiple such instances all over the place, state is a complicit but you say something, you say something the police will do their job the police will do their job Nothing.

1:24:53You know, today's time, so many people are coming in. The world is watching, social media is watching. And hence the greatest system. Everything is there. So hence, today's time, it's so easy to kill anyone openly and the work is growing up. See, it's a little difficult to do in cities. But in the middle of the cities, the media, which we call it, it's a tier 2. tock bhi he. Consumption khe liyo eq dum untuck he. Lekin wahaan se information ane ke liyo abhi bhi oh thoda disconnected tier 3 tier 4. Or joh gauhen hain apne. True. Right. To eq dum gauh mein. Dusra. Chik eh. Har bara woh death mein hi convert nahi ho ga.

1:25:31My mindta ho. Lekin pit jana bhi apne aap me. Kum riski nai ha na. Haa. Kiyo hi. Surfeit gaya. Haa. Tooriya. Yee kum riski toi nai ha. Or eka agar haa tooriya. Toor paura mohala chok. Correct. Poora gauh chok. Dusra. like in the cities you are a little disconnected so what do I have to give it to him? I will give it to him. What happens in the cities? There are collective decisions. If there are 90 or 95 people and we will give TMC to the vote. So 5 people don't want to take risk. Why do we have a enemy for this party? What is it? Why do we have so passionate for BJP? Or for any other party? And hence those people they will be, second what I said that their cadre it is about their life and death.

1:26:11if he got a good job he was getting money that cut money, that syndicate, Raj he is going to go so as someone reacts to his joblessness he reacts to that hence that passion comes hence that violence comes I'm talking about CPM, TMC it's the same so in that time you will see that TMC against a lot of violence by CPM cadres until they formed a government they did that They were going to be silent. They will be in the TMC. They will not open for CPM. They will not open for CPM. If you open for CPM, you will go out. In colleges, clubs. In the inside, it means that it will be. Exactly. Exactly. Okay.

1:26:51So that silently happened. And then? Cool. What's the condition of CPM? They're almost. So they won zero seats the last time. Zero. Zero. So CPM has been lost. What did the last thing do you have? 78. Congress? Congress zero. And TMC? I was a little confused. It was 34 or something. They won a full majority, of course. It was more than a TMC. I think it was 170 or something. TMC was definitely one-sided majority. No one's coalition or anything. So CPM is almost dead now? Almost dead now. In Bengal, they are only surviving in a country. It's also removed from Tripura. The government was first. only surviving in Kerala as of now otherwise they are dead so and there will be a loss in Bengal never never why so I don't understand that see communism as a concept you can see in the whole world when it came to me I said that the emotions were so much it was so idealistic it was so much it was a great principle because capitalism is very easy there are many flaws in capitalism but at the end of the day free markets is what what generally works across the world and wherever free markets are, there is prosperity and a communist country is not the same in the world which either is prosperous or democratic neither is it China cannot say communist they are the biggest capitalist what is of communism there?

1:28:25the biggest factories and industries the biggest labor if you say the most work in the world it is done in China so there is not one democratic, prosperous, communist country. Hence, as a concept, it cannot survive. Now, when Mamata Vahiner Ji is a leader of people, people support her, then what happened? Initially, I would say, she focused on certain things, infrastructure, Calcutta, generally upkeep of Calcutta. See, Calcutta is a city. I don't know if you have been to Calcutta. I've been to Calcutta, many times. So, I don't know what your opinion of Calcutta is, but for the city that it was as the capital of like the eastern hemisphere to the city that it is now it's very sad to be honest infrastructure industries you know companies 2011 so why didn't it revive from 2011 I'm not so you're in the communist rule so after 2011 she has tried to revive it in certain ways now the problem is so they worked in the revival they worked on infrastructure so they worked on lighting infrastructure bridges roads this all for all.

1:29:35But what is for industries for the industry? It needs a very long term vision. Look, in the state and especially in the leader who has pushed the industry to this kind of and hence, what is for industries for the industry? That one is stability, political stability, law and order, industry friendly practices. Now, you will say that we will support the industries but we will keep the worker fine. That means and on second hand let's say andhra and you know andhra what are you saying that we are going to give the TCS to 1 euro in 500 acres that shows the intent right it may not be a populist it will make a narrative that the government is capitalists it will make it free but they know that it will make it more and it will make it more quantum value now in Calcutta there will be no problem in Calcutta there will be 4 conditions you will not come no industrialist because they have got so many options.

1:30:34They are also selling Karnataka, Andhra also selling Maharashtra, selling Gujarat. Who will give them more soaps? Tax rebates, land. Why will they invest in such four conditions? They know that she cannot be trusted upon for this. And hence the revival does not happen, which is, yeah, the revival happens. It happens in such slow paces that it will take 100 years to get the revival. You can only see per capita income. Calcutta, Bengal, Bengal, when it was free, you will see per capita income in the first economic survey, the country's per capita income was 27 % higher. Meaning, the average country is 100, so there were 127 rupees people were getting there.

1:31:11Today, you will see, you are 16 rupees back from the country. The country is 84. And very interesting, compare it to Odisha. It was different from Bengal. Right? Odisha, you can see, it was 14 rupees. Today, you will see, it was 18 rupees. It was gone from Bengal. And it is just a difference of intent. Why? It's not a difference. Now it's not a big city, right? But what they've done, software parks in Bhuvnishwaran opened in all of a small office. TCS, Infosys, Wipro is one of the only offices. They built a big stadium for hockey. Hockey's championship, in fact, was there. A state which is a very small state, nothing is there.

1:31:49Minerals are less from Bengal. The land is less. The coastal state is a cyclone. They came to 88 rupees from 54. They have not been able to. So what's the problem? First is, you can't track investors. But for investors, there are a lot of benefits because if you have an industry of export-led, then West Bengal is a very strategic location. There is a deep water port. There you can access the eastern market. And energy, because coal and everything is in a very accessible way. Correct. So you can buy cheaper resources. So a bunch of things. Correct. plus Bengal labor is one of the cheapest. Correct.

1:32:34So, see, what happens in industries? It's an optimization problem of a lot of costs. So, now you will see that many industries have in Chennai. And that's what is being consumed in Bihar or Bengal. So, what's the cost of transportation cost? If I have a high value of good, I have a car, then the cost of my car is so much is that transportation cost doesn't need anything in front of it. In some products, the percentage is less than a percentage. Let's say, my transportation cost is 2 % of the product. So, I'll say, I'll keep 102 % of the product. So, I'll keep 2 % of the product. I was making a difference and I'll see what problem is.

1:33:13So, I'm seeing that it's 2 rupees I'm saving. Labor will increase 1 rupees. You know, minerals. If it's mineral based, it will be 2 rupees. It will be 97 rupees. So, now, the choice is between 97 and 102. But I'm seeing that that 97 can be produced It can happen six days later, four people come and say that we need five thousand rupees. I have to tell staff there. I have to face daily law and order issues. I will take the talent outside. Because I will not work in Calcutta. I will not work in Singur. I will not have talent outside. And host of these other problems, stability problems. I don't trust you in the government.

1:33:52What policies will take you tomorrow. So I will take 102 rupees. I will go. Because I am stable here. I know there is no problem. And if there is no problem, then the government will see me. That's 97 % of me. But you don't have a chain. Why TMC? This syndicate, Raj, cut money. No, in fact. Very interesting. Because TMC, you will see, CPM was a little bit of cadder based party. Right? Discipline cadder based. And the one that goes up to the top, the one that goes up to the top. TMC is more a person based party. What does? Manitabhanyaji's party. Right? In fact, ideologically, you will try to place it to TMC, so you won't place it.

1:34:31That in left, right, center, what is its ideological broader principle? It's a very person-driven party. Some places you are in fact, that Mamata Banerjee says, I don't have a problem with leftist ideology. In fact, I believe in leftist ideology. It is the left party in Bengal that I have a problem with. In fact, you will see that when these people were arguing in Singur Nandi Graham, in the world, the people who generally communists of the people who are singing, they were singing the Trin Mool. So, ideologically, they are very, they are also fighting with Congress, and the government also has been in the Vajpayee.

1:35:05I understand this. So, ideologically, they are very flexible. And hence, you can see, there is no very cadder-based party that's not a very ATMC. It's more of a, it's a Bihar in Lalo Ji's party. No cadder-wide of them. Lalo Ji's a good thing. It's a good thing. Akhlej, maybe it's a good thing. But before, Mulaim Singh's a good thing. so hence when they came in power also now they understand that power because it was a CPM opposition it was more of a people's movement understand this how did you come in Delhi no one was in the cadre it was a people's movement everybody considered themselves to be a part of that movement and hence she came in power but she realized that to remain in power now she would need a dedicated cadre so how will it become?

1:35:48so they said that cadre will be made in their own and in the Cader war CPM we almost can't stop they are well trained they have ideological commitment you know in 1925 they started so that's the learning and you know experience curve so she said that it's difficult to beat that to the Cader so what do you do that model that's just use now what do they have many people switched to the CPM of course no other people are not right Right? So she said, I'll not disturb this equilibrium. So the local clubs where CPM was sitting on the CPM, when they took the TMC? So now the things that will be solved in the house, the CPM means that the TMC is solved.

1:36:34It can be. It's the same. It's the same. Exactly. The batch is the same. Exactly. Exactly. So change doesn't happen? That's what I'm saying. As a structure, political structure on the ground, not really. So cut money or syndicate is still on today? In fact, now it has come into prominence. So if you follow the cut money, it's interesting. I think that in the last election, it was very hard. As long as the cut money is defined, the PM is 7 ,000 ,000 rupees, it's 20 ,000 ,000 rupees. In fact, there is a scheme, which is a sumo-biyatih scheme, in which someone dies in the house, they get 2 ,000 rupees for their own.

1:37:16They get 2 ,000 rupees fixed. right Mandrega का Paisa जिसमें दिन में मजदूर ने काम किया 300 रुपया है दिन के अंद में 20-30 रुपया काट लिया जाएगा उसका cut money है क्यों that cut money है पर ये तो National Government की subsidies है आप तो आप और मैं समझते है जो वहाँ पे बंदा है and it feels like this person is giving me and it doesn't feel like it it knows that I am going to be able to keep it I am going to keep it keep it there very interestingly when it was very high he said that whoever has cut money will do it and it won't be good and there is a video you search for it where it is that he has got he has got two lakh rupees all the time cut money so she teaching I got and

1:38:12I got keeping up there who isn't what cut money is

1:38:30what drives her counter as well and same syndicates understand this syndicates بنے تو CPAM والے بولتے ہیں کہ جب new town بن رہا تھا 2006 کے آس پاس تو ہم نے بنایا آج same syndicates وہاں پہ restaurant کھولنا ہے وہاں پہ کوئی factory چلانی ہے کوئی بھی dispute وہاں پہ solve کروانا ہے کوئی بھی normal اپنا گھر بنا رہا ہے تو club والی کو جا کے بولنا پڑے گا میں یہاں پہ گھر بنا رہا ہوں تو آپ لوگ دیکھ لیجئے کوئی دکت نہیں ہو تو بولے گا اچھا گھر بنا رہا ہے So my girl is Rahul. He will give you a ball and cement. Rate of your Rahul. Rahul will give you a rate. Absolutely. His rate of money is his. His rate is his.

1:39:06Where are you? So that system is still sustaining their cadres. And hence that cadres is still as aggressive as they are. As they were. So what happened in 2011? Mammt Adid came in the name of Jyoti Basur Budadev. In other words. So, okay. Logo has changed in 34 years. If you remove an establishment, and you bring a new thought, a new party, then something will change. Somewhere there has come, the state has progressed, the city infrastructure has changed, the logo has helped, the migrants have come from Bangladesh, and that has been finished. That's a lot more interesting. That's a lot more years.

1:39:48So, see, it is very difficult to evaluate the performance when you are in that system because there are so conflicting opinions, information thoughts, emotionally you are involved in it, so many times people ask questions, why was it such a government, Hitler, why did they give it to him? There are so many examples in the world like people have been reading very bad leaders for years and years. chun tè rèhen right bihar mein sab kateh hai 15 saal fyr laloo kiya raha hai raja agar you know itne itne bure thai to because in that moment na ahab bhot macro way me abhi joh discuss kar raha right tu woh macro way me nih dhik pateh aap na phir bhot choti choti narratives pere dhikte ho achai yeh toh mamta di nini bada a chaga kendra ko na agdam bol dhia kye tum ko sabak sikha karehen ga yeh hota hai nita modi shah ko paani pila diya manga ek narrative ki yaar ekhi vanda joh modi shah ko paani pila raha woha mamta I gave a vote to this.

1:40:45So a lot of voting happens on narrative, emotions. It's an emotional process voting. I understand this. It's not a logical process. So if someone goes to explain it, that the GDP growth of Bengal is down from the country. There's no meaning. No idea. If you have done something, you'll give something to another counter argument, that the rest of the country is very comfortable. So it's less than it will go. You fight, you'll fight. In fact, data says that if you look Calcutta, to be a city where there was a very inward migration. The whole East is a little bit. When you listen to songs, especially that side of the songs, Bhojpuri or Udia, the people of the country are going to work.

1:41:29And when they went to Videsh, they went to Rangoon. Calcutta was Rangoon. So the whole region like North East, Bangladesh, Bihar, Jharkhand, East 2P, Odisha, all of Calcutta to work. Calcutta is the hub of inward migration. All people have been doing work. Today, Calcutta has net outward migration. People go out and come inside. Correct. Then, next. Now, one of the big issues that we keep hearing is Bangladesh. Do you think Bangladesh has a relation with West Bengal? So, So, you can see Bangladesh was different when East Pakistan was different. It was the larger Bengal region. So, culturally, you can see it was always one piece, one suba, one state.

1:42:25In fact, when Britishers first started Bengal in 1905, they said that administrative convenience, all of that, so it was very strong. They are trying to essentially divide the Bengali population on religious lines so that the nationalism is a little bit that is a little bit that is a little bit so that's what we think and then Britishers actually had to reunite Bengal in 1911 then they said to them but they did the capital Calcutta from Delhi so as a region you will see it it's always very integrated now finally this division East Pakistan even until then people who are on both they would feel a camaraderie on the basis of shared Bengali culture and language so in fact violence also happened a lot but still there was a Bengali connection in that so in East Pakistan in fact that it was made Pakistan so it started because West Pakistan Urduk official language bana ta hai Pakistan ka right to idhar virodh shiro ha ki Bengali ko bhi usmei rhena chahi hai because a second language which they did not agree 1952 me iskala bhoat bada andolan shuru ho ta hai mangaladesh me or us din rights ho te hai polis guliya chalati hai uske tín students maare jate hai usko national mother language day ghoshit kiya jata hai unke dora and Bengal also start celebrating that right baad me in fact usko international mother language day bana ya jata hai aur aaj tak usko West Bengal bhi celebrate karta hai Bangladesh bhi celebrate When Bangladesh was free, Bengal was the one which celebrated the most.

1:44:09The one who made the most of the world, went from India. So it felt like our own brothers are getting liberated. And this was across. Rabindranath Tagore was the common, you know, he wrote the national anthem, he wrote the national anthem. So many common connections culturally, Bengali cinema, both of them were seen. Language is the same. So it was always like, we will celebrate the other wins. celebrate when they won the Nobel Prize in fact in 1998 if I'm not wrong so first they visited Bangladesh and Sheikh Hasina gave them honorary citizenship and gave them passport and celebrated so many such examples right this has been the case up until I would say 2-3 years ago not to say there have not been riots and religious cases and so on but broadly this has been the case so that's why you will see that there is a lot of infiltration that is happening in Bengali migrants so it doesn't become a big narrative in it okay it's a little bit discontent but it doesn't become a narrative this has been the case till 2-3 years ago so essentially to say the first identity that they believe in is Bengali first what has happened in the last 2-3 after Sheikh Hasina got detuned that the protests started in Bangladesh those are most on the religious lines right joh persecution start hua those were on the religious lines ek toh wo hua second they went even further Rabindah Tagore ka a pushtaini ghar tha waha pe uspe dhava bolke usko tor fwoar diya now this struck the Bengali people to say ki yaar matlab tum toh kal tak bolte hai thai ki am Bengali pehle hai Rabindah Tagore jisne tumko rastra ghan diya tumhara amar sonar bangla joh tum gate ho usi ghar pe dhava bolke tor dhe reho tum ye kaisa matlab you know Bengali culture hai right so that entire pride of Bengali culture language, that connection that has been given in one way and there are multiple such examples that just on the identity of Hindus because on the other side in fact you will see this is 2-3 years ago Kaji Najrul Islam very famous Bangladesh national point their strength is still celebrate in Bengal still Until then, from their name, the university in Asansol.

1:46:31Now there's a new airport, it's called its name, it's called its name. Until this level, there was a unifying force, which has gotten broken in fact. Because right now, what Bangladesh is going through is that religious fanatism, it's changing in theocracy. And that's why the Bengali first identity was being Muslim first identity. being made. It's like people here are thinking that now I cannot reciprocate this. So now divide. But the situation of Bangladesh which comes to India is that gotten better or worse? So problem illegal immigrants. Problem is that if you can see the entire border of Bengal border which is with Bangladesh is total border is going to be 4000 km only Bengal is going to be with Bangladesh is going to be 200 km problem is that border is never as fortified as much as west so we always migration is going to be 47, 71, beach when the mark is going to be so people are coming and the border areas then the border areas are going to be different places it's going to be fortification there are many many In fact, Central Government statement in the floor of the house is that now only 500 km border is found.

1:47:59The rest of it is fenced. In that 500 km, 100 km is unfensible. Because there is a road or other features, they cannot fence. So, there are other technologies that we use. In the 4 km, this is very political. They are asking for what you are doing to stop infiltration. So, Amit Shah has said in the floor of the house that we have been standing in the floor of the house. government 7 times letter written 3 times chief secretary my home secretary that 400 km should fencing now land is a state subject so land acquire and give it is a state so they say that we don't get land so why not fence so whenever fence we don't think we don't think we don't acquire so this is going of the people.

1:48:52Now the problem is that Mamata Banerjee, and this is almost an open secret now, is as much in support of these people as possible. Because all of these people vote for Mamata Banerjee. Today if you see, then in the last census 2011 census, Muslims were 27 % in Bengal. Now you will go to the latest 30 % cross-trying. All these people never vote for BJP. It will not go logically. They will go to TMC. who goes, they will go. Which is gets augmented by anybody who is an illegal infiltrator. So now he says that Mamata doesn't want to go. Center says that we fence to do. Then he says that SIR is going to be able to identify.

1:49:35What is SIR? Why are you so strongly against Mamata? So what is the process of SIR? What is the election commission? The voter role is

1:50:17guidance who goes. I'll give it to you. Why do I go to cut cut? I keep it. That's the common. So, this is why you can see many people have multiple voter cards. I was here, so I was here. Then, I was here. I was here. I was here. I didn't cut cut cut. So, I didn't cut cut. So, the two places are my name. So, the election commission what does it say? I'll verify that there are people that there are people or not. Because I don't have any mechanism to check for it. So, let's check it out. Hence, means this SIR process they are saying can verify if these people really exist in these places that you have given the list that you have 10 ,000 people are 10 ,000 people or not and individual so just identify I will verify where I will where there is a problem either you produce one of those eye cards which 11 eye cards or then tell us that someone related someone someone someone someone someone or someone This is the process.

1:51:19By virtue of the very fact that people don't give their names to cut their names, so what happens? Many people are relocated and keep their names back. Another, many people who are dead, keep their names. The last SIR was in 2003-2004. How many people will die? Think about it. The numbers are so inflated. How many people have died in 20 years? Think about it. One is those who have died, and the people who permanently relocated and the third people who have multiple voter cards. Why? I was here and I asked them. I asked them. There was someone who said 4-4 or 5-5. I don't know where I am. I'm saying I'm giving one place.

1:51:56But it's wrong anyway. So EC is saying I'm taking on the tonus to identify people and get it cleaned up. So before the election they started that I'll do SIR and clean up. So they did 60 ,000 ,000 and 11-12 % voters. They said are either dead, permanently relocated or duplicate. Okay. Right. So, Bihar election has been very hard that the people's names are running voting rights are running all of that but it did not build as a narrative because actually no one been cut. Because then one window is cut. So, we will give it again. We will exist. So, he said that we are doing another SIR. In the three union territory.

1:52:39Bengal comes in that. The rest of the people in the U.P. are happening in the U.P. are happening. We don't know who is happening in the U.P. are happening. The most important thing is happening in the U.P. is happening. It's interesting. Look, who will be cutting the name? The name will be cutting either the people who are or the people who are permanently relocated or the people who are duplicate or the illegal. Correct? You have to identify this. If someone has to tell you, that you will stay here. I live there. You know more from the localities. You live there. You are an illegal society. You don't know lineage.

1:53:14You don't produce. So, this is why you can see in Bengal. You can see this. You can take a census. Bengal was the Muslim population. It was about 19.5%. In Bengal, there were 100 people. 19.5 were Muslim. In 1951. In 2011, it was 27%. population can increase proportion can increase so obvious there are illegal migrants living in so as SIR will be so many people will cut which is illegal hence that pushback in fact you have seen many videos coming from colonies they are going to Bangladesh to the border and then the whole beach is going to go back to the right hence this whole pushback but another interesting data is By this logic, the number of names in Bihar or UP, the percentage of them should be more in Bengal.

1:54:12In the country, the average number of 12 kings is 13%. 13 % names are permenitally relocated. In UP, it is 18%. In Bengal, it is only 7.5%. so it's also saying that local officers may have been complicit in not being as and what's the controversy around Vande Mataram yes, so Vande Mataram has written Vande Mataram in 1875 so it's been a 1.500 years you can see that Vande Mataram as well in the time of freedom, Anand Mat a novel came out, very famous in that first time he remembered and in the whole freedom movement, if we have the most if there is a war cry or rallying cry, then it will be a wonder if you will see movies or documentaries in fact, in 1905 when Bengal is partitioned, so if there is a wonder wonder, wonder, wonder, that was that, right, so in the whole freedom, wonder, wonder, is a very common, unifying rallying cry Now, Vandimatharam is a poem which is in six tenjas.

1:55:26Six parah are on his own. In the first two parah, they are giving the word of the mother of the mother of the mother of the mother of the mother. And how beautiful and features are talking about it. In the second parah, it is a little explicit that it is called Hindu goddesses. The name of the mother of the mother of the mother of the mother of the mother of the mother of the mother of the mother. And they are being a bit of a man. Now, what happened during the nationalist movement, that Vandimatharam, when she was singing, the Muslim League had to sing it. that in the past the Hindu goddesses a clear clear so in 1937 Congress of the session in Fayezpur and then it decided that to maintain the neutrality only two pairs which there are no Hindu Devi Devta in which there are no other four pairs were removed after that when we were free we were that it will be national song the national song the national song will be national song and the two equal status given equal status given equal status although there are no protocols like for Rashtragan but equal status now come 2025 so central government said we will celebrate 150 years of Ande Mataram being there and what we are saying is we will now sing the full song because curtailing those four paras is curtailing the essence and the heart of that national song right so this was only understanding that the first two of us was going to go and there was no need for it so someone can go and go to six so they are not saying that we don't go to six right because this is a way of secularism that the jinnah has been changed so we have to take our country so why should we stick to it and hence you can see that in some functions in Avande Maatram we have to go to six of us so what is Bengal being problematic there so now since creator where right so Bengali TMC MPs in fact when the debate was going on they were very you know that it was our the problem is see and it's very subtle right what is the one day in the I bow down to my motherland right motherland in the motherland which is a Muslim section why they say we do not bow down to anybody else than my supreme god.

1:57:48Right? So they say I'll not sing Vandimathram. Vis-a-vis the nationalist, they say motherland is not a religion. It is a figurative figure. Who we are considering so sacrosanct we are saying, you know, we bow down to you. Right? Vandimathram should not be a problem. But then many Neta, the other party, will say Vandimathram will not be a problem. So this keeps on happening. Right? Which generally should not happen. Which I think is that national song is accepted if our national song accepted it should keep going on what is Bengal saying it is again yes she has a very substantial word bank of people who don't like Vandimantram so she's saying that we won't do it we won't do it in that way like the Pradhan Mantri was giving a speech they said Bankim Chandra Chatterjee to Bankim Da why did Bankim Da say that this is not a is like that.

1:58:47He's not your Bankim Da. He said Bankim Babu probably. Because in different states there are different states. Like in Bahar Babu says, Shri Krishna Babu. So they probably Bankim Babu or Bankim Da both of them. They started how can you call him this? You know, this is disrespectful, useless in fact debates. Why do leaders still fight on these things? And not on country how to grow growth, how to economic policies what is America doing, China doing, Russia doing how are we going to stand? Narratives. Because again, the vote comes. The vote people who have seen it. And some people have seen it personally in the field.

1:59:31When we talk about education, technology, industries. I have a simple example. There is an industry in my area. I go there. I go there. I go there. I sit there and sit there and I should get all the people who need their value. So, they will all be friends and supporters. And I go and increase the output of industry and all of them, nobody would care of that. Because the capacity expansion is how many people are employed, nobody cares about that. So, you get politicians who deserve. I know this is brutal, but that's the truth. Wherever voters, the politicians want to get that, they will get that.

2:00:09they will be able to talk about what the politician needs he will take you so voters will say talk about health and not do the rest of me so politicians will be able to talk about it we are not wanting that I am not saying not wanting that but we are probably thinking about it or we are sleeping with so much superficial issues that I have said with so much emotional issues what happens in Bombay that is in Maratha, non-Maratha and this is happening. But you can do cultural but why can't you speak about industries? But in Mumbai, people are getting votes. Exactly. On the basis of development. Exactly.

2:00:51So that's a good change. That's what I'm saying. But Mumbai is an urban region. Like BMC, we saw what happened. Yes, yes, yes. People are giving hope and the same thing is that we should change construction, the situation is bad. We wanted to change. They've set a very good example. I'm saying, this seems to be a little bit, so you can see that in the rest of the areas people will follow this. What's happening in Tamil Nadu? They give so much money to Hindi, North India, to the laborers, to the people, to the Sanatandhan, to the people, their vote bank keeps on consolidating. But Tamil Nadu as a state is thriving.

2:01:26In terms of growth and GDP, a very strong contribution. People are earning per capita. I agree. but it's just not one party. Also understand this. There have been successive governments. AIDM also has been there. DMK also has been there. Both have been there alternately. Till the last time. I'm not saying which government is doing good. I'm saying that So if they do this war, still if they are bettering their state and they are enriching. If you look at the data, Telangana, AP, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, this belt is a good thing. India is a strong contribution to our GDP. I agree. So what happens Raj is, the narrative that is happening today, it will not show me today.

2:02:16not show today or in the last year's numbers. It will show me 4-5 years later. So, what can happen today? What's the difference? Tamil Nadu is growing a lot. But today, if North Indians feel so insecure, they don't want to go and work there. For example, I'm just giving an example. So, there are some job offers. People say, no, I won't go there. So, there are 2-5-10-100 people. It's hard to see that company that people don't want to come here. So, the next decision of the factory will probably be going to take it. It's a long process. So you're reaping the benefits of the reforms of last 10 years.

2:02:47Understand this. So at this point, because we're talking about Bengal, there's atrocities. What's happening? Political violence is surviving only in Bengal, in the entire country. So that is one. But during the, during five years, do you think the state is functioning very well? Because it doesn't attract investment, that's one. So it's not growing. That is, we already spoke. people who are not getting income, they are going to lower the country. That's a third. But in terms of crime, are women safe? So again, there is no such an outlier. There was an outlier event happened. Women safety. Now there are a lot of incidents.

2:03:27In fact, R.G. Kaur Hospital, a post-graduate medical student, in fact, she was raped and murdered by, in fact, one of the person who was employed there itself. Now there is a fact in Durgaapur, in fact, with a medical student. The sad part there is, in fact in both cases in both cases the man who responds that the girls don't go out out or not go out

2:03:53so there you do not feel that sensitivity that should come from a chief minister and that to a women chief minister that if a woman when you say it in both cases again when you see everything in a political angle when you see everything then you don't have to you can say then you have to say okay RG carmen are doing a lot protest and want to change my government

2:04:19so that ways I agree that neutral stance in cases is a little missing that is not no but how can a politician say this that the girl should not leave out okay so it may sound strange but she is again speaking the language of the wider mass but wider mass کو کیسے help کر رہی ہے کہ انہی کے گھر والے ان کے ہی گھر میں جو women ہیں وہ unsafe ہے اگر وہ رات کو نکلتی تو انہیں نکلنا نہیں چاہیے how is it pleasing to wider mass جب آپ بہت wider mass میں یہ والا conversation کرو گے تو یہ comment آپ کو بہت often آئے گا وہ ان کے ہی شبدوں کو بس بول رہے ہیں جو وہ سوچتے ہیں already وہ agree کر رہی ہے and in fact validate کر رہی ہے that you are all right, people will say, look, this knows our state, and this is right.

2:05:15Correct. She's speaking their language. Today, there are more rape cases in India. You will see either that victim shaming or someone will be blamed on the victim. It's horrific, right? And that's what I'm saying. So, politicians will use the same language that the communists use. Why would that language be so radical? Why would that support and that also saves our government from the embarrassment that our fault is not in it and what about the recent smuggling case I heard there was cattle smuggling so cattle smuggling so see in India cattle sacrifice or butchering is everyone has different state laws so in some state it is completely banned cattle slaughter you know some conditions for example buffaloes banned some after a certain age so it is over 15 years because it is not functional so it can be slaughtered now there are different laws in bengal there is no demand another there is a lot of demand because they eat beef now since bengal in Bengal there is no band and there is so big a border which is porous border, so cattle smuggle here is very easy.

2:06:42So, there is a lot of cattle from Bengal, but there is also a lot of cattle in the other Hindi heartland where there is slaughtered band. They can be transported and smuggled across this border. They learn some money. Now, ideally it is banned, right? But the problem is that we have a porous border. We have rivers on the border, multiple rivers on the border. In fact, with a very good mechanism, they will take it to the border and put it in the water, cattle. they can swim they can swim in the flow they can swim but on the other hand how to know which cattle where to go who has given it who has given it so they mark location and name that on the other hand the cattle are for this village and the cattle are for this village they have been sold so it's marked so it reaches there they pull it out on the other hand the smuggling was supposed to be you know processes so process wise or policy wise it's banned but when you go a small one is fine, 200 rupees.

2:07:37So essentially, If you smuggled, then 200 rupees is fine. Yes, like if you smuggled, if you're in Bangladesh, I'm talking about it. So there was a band that had to be. So that band is fine, 200 rupees.

2:07:52So that band is not essentially. Correct? So he sent it here, took it, took 200 rupees, took it, and essentially it is legalized. And so that's why you can see the cross border. There's a heavy amount of cattle smuggling across. I have a question. If you make a CM of Bengal, what is the first change you will do? See, Bengal, what is the problem in so many days? When a person, an organization, a state will stay for 70-70 years, it's a big problem. So it is not just about industries Now understand this It is not that industrialists come there If you go to Calcutta and you talk to people In fact, taxis will be seen before you I have been to taxis wherein That taxi was taken to me and I went to the beach I said, you won't go to the beach Why?

2:09:00You won't go Why? We will not go, brother. There is no reason. There is no reason. No reason. No reason. We will not go. This is not one instance I am saying. This is so common. Right? I have been in taxis where my friend had come to pick me up. So, we were sitting in taxi. We were going to go. I was just recovering from COVID. Very bad lungs. He was open. He was open. He was drinking beer. In the taxi. He was driving beer. You had to have imagined it? We had to have imagined it. Our friend didn't say it. he was a Bengali that don't do it his nature is very bad there is this way right then he got a lot so he got a lot then he got a lot and then he got a lot now this is not a problem for industries not being there what's the problem?

2:09:48this problem is such a that when we were doing it and there were some issues so you are going to be to be able to do it so how will you do it how will you do it? now they are affiliated to a union how can you speak? Exactly. Now, it's been so encouraged for this behavior that that professional culture that you talk about, the word culture that you talk about, there's a lot of impact in Bengal. Right? Now, you can't change the culture one day. So, you're not a culture of badgum. I mean, we'll have a little talk about it. And this is Calcutta I'm speaking about. So, culturally it's what I think.

2:10:30So again, I'm not commenting good or bad. Someone will say that Bombay is very bad. They do a little hustle. Maybe. But there, it's not to do that. It's not to do that. It's not to do that. It's not to do that. It's not to do that. It's not to do that. It's okay. No matter. No matter. So making that cultural change to say that this should prosper or be the center of industrialization of growth as it used to be, that's a very tough task. That's what I'm saying. Because people have to tell you have to say that wherever we are, it doesn't feel good to hear it. You will say that Bengal is not doing well, Calcutta is not no more.

2:11:09Rajiv Gandhi said that in 1985 Calcutta was a dying city. The communists have so much encouraged them to go and not do it. In 1985 he said that dying city. It was a dying city. Even if you talk about before we were talking about four metros, now we are not staying in four. Even if you name seven, eight top cities of India, we don't say that Calcutta. But the fastest growing real state to have 7th or 8th or Kolkata? It can happen. What's the problem of real estate? Real estate is always a private sector driven industry. Individual demand and supply game is. So, people need to be there that they are building flats in Calcutta.

2:11:42Anyway, you will see South Bengal, there are no other bigger cities. Like Mumbai, Poonay, here is Nasik. Calcutta, which is also in Durgaapur, that's a steel factory in the town. There are no other cities. Then, you will go 1000 kilometers to go further, you will get a silly girl. But it's smaller towns. So the demand of real estate is in Calcutta. So it's private sector driven industries. You will go to the worst growing states. Real estate is never reduced. If it's only populated. Okay, let's say election will be fights. BJP is trying. And last year, last time if it's 78th to come, that's commendable.

2:12:22That's incredible. Because an opposition is standing. but no opposition won't win for a very long time so is it opposition's fault that they don't have to win or is it ruling party's fault that they don't leave standing combination of factors so one is that political violence is because of opposition it's not very openly opposition so the big leaders will protest they will give up in the DMC they won't win I agree. I agree. I'm saying TMC for applicable and now for both of them that you can't be openly opposition. Right? Now you will say that I will take a seat of BJP and I will tell you to see all the problems and see how the problem is.

2:13:08Or we are not going to be able to vote. So BJP should have to vote. No, that's not possible. Right? It was true for TMC as well. Second, again, we are talking about complex topics. Growth is talking about industries. talking about technology, which is common man's language. You communicate it very difficult. How much you have a difference in a day. For example, a person who is going to work, who is going to work every day, that's what I think is like my life. What's the difference? If someone comes to work, what's the difference? You think you're talking about long-term. You say that we come to the world, so for 10 years there will be industries.

2:13:44So you'll get a job of your son. Nobody understands that long-term prosperity. True. Third, demography becomes very important in a state. Especially in a state where a very big vote bank becomes very strongly with a party. This is true for across. Where there is the Muslim population that 30 % now and dedicated to 2MC. There's no split in that vote. So they're starting with 30 % vote in the first place. But they have, my question is, I'm not able to understand that there's no other party maybe Congress, BJP or some third party whatever it was what's their stance? What do they want to take? What do they want to take?

2:14:30Because if you're saying that TMC has such a situation that was in CPM and the rest of the overall culture and attitude has died down so people will see what will change? Or what are they saying? At least what hope country in the country there is hope so people want to vote correct hope is not or they are happy from their current or not so let's go if there is no change then they don't change so then so what are these people bringing I think congress anyway it's non-existent there now right this is no more in the play it's very clearly between TMC and BJP now it's one to one I think a broader change which you can get you can get all of those is that society is that political society is political society when I'm saying where in when the party and the government are the one and the same and they will benefit so government is not thinking about the larger public but I just think how do I live with the cadre if the cadre is with me I'm in government because my cadre in that village takes care of that village so you're saying that this is the syndicate cut system corruption will still be there I'm just not saying that corruption will be finished what I'm saying is that you're legitimizing your power the political system that you're making your workers that political system doesn't have to be able to do it that in the SD office he said that you're doing this he can request of course he can take up people's grievances but it is not a government right unless that goes when it doesn't want if the cadder is happy then the party will stay in the same way which is very very wrong and then what does the cadder do is the cadder to make the CR that I am a party's I am a party's I have to give a answer so I will give a answer to the other side I will not give a vote on my own I will not give a vote on my own there should be a voting then I will go to the party I will give a voting so I remain in that position I keep her government you will have to break the system first right that happens when you start speaking about governance which is devoid of any other interruptions interferences so look you will see good and bad governments that the party comes in power is the police like law and order where you go in Bahar or in UP examples so when it's good then it's when the chief minister said that any person of my party calls me something.

2:17:15Don't listen to that. You do what is right. You can see that Nitish Kumar is also the law and order of law and order. The law and order of law and order is the same. Because they sent their own government to jail. So the police, the administration starts getting a sense that he or she stands for what is right or wrong rather than that my party is okay. Now in the U.P. it is also broadly. Now the police are not angry at all. We don't listen to the police. Every day they listen to the police, that day half his favor half his favor half his man he will never dispense justice and he will never be able to do because you will take exceptions and hence you need to remove that when you start saying that governance bureaucracy police will start then you come to industries that's a lot you know all states grow now industries can be a factory can be a software can be a services can be can be.

2:18:10Andhra says, we're not going to factory now. We're making quantum value. Right? That's another way of industries, right? So, quantum value is done. And they're doing massively well there. Thinking of 10 years down the line. So, you'll have to pick it up for the future. Right now, if I ask you, what are your plans for the next generation? No, Each to their own. I really like AP's, CM. He's nice. He did very, he did very well with the unified Andhra then and now with Andhra now. Exactly. And now Amravati you look at it. What is he making out of it? It's wild and then I think at least a tech vision and stuff like that.

2:18:52Employment generation he at least he talks very well. I mean now the proof is also. He's done it. So you can't even say just talking. No no. He's serious about it. He's serious and he just announced that he's a little far off. But But then the announcement is very important that if someone will win Nobel in quantum, then he will give 100 kodos. This is a very far off thing. But Aesthel, you start saying that why state is thinking. The CM said that it's important to say that if someone won Nobel in quantum, then he will give 100 kodos. My point is that you will always show that state is thinking about what state is thinking about.

2:19:36and focus correct focus yes we will keep social welfare yes we will keep this too but focus is towards progress that's the thing well thank you so much sir thank you once again thank you for coming and spending time and telling us about the history of another state political history but thank you so much pleasure having you pleasure to be here next time which state is

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