Russian Spy: Dark Reality of Mind Control, Seduction & Manipulation | Aliia Roza | FO523 Raj Shamani

0:00You were an intelligence agency. Take me through a mission. We had this criminal gang. When we started our observation, I found out that this young man loved to go to clubs and surround himself with a lot of women. But then what we noticed, some of these women would be disappeared. They would probably be kidnapped for sales abroad. So the next club night, I was dressed up and I did work. He invited me to the table. I went to him to his house. So I told him, why don't I do massage for you? And in 40 minutes, he fell asleep. And I opened the door. They came in, arrested some of the parts. Alia Rosa, a former secret agent and behavioral profiling expert.

0:48If you've ever wondered how spies think or how manipulation actually works, this episode is for you. things from the trainings that you thought was unusual? The whole sex techniques to make our target to be dependent in sexual way from you. How would you do that? After education, they would say only with me you can have such a pleasure. Only with me you can be strong. I know I am the best in your life. That's a very strong technique to make your man believe that. Right after the sex they will say this. Yes, this activates the brain believing that yes, she's right. I am only successful if she's next to me.

1:32You learned all of these techniques and then you graduated because you got a diploma. Can you show me a diploma? Yes. And actually this is first time when I show these documents. When you walk in a room and let's say there's some target and you want that person to be influenced what do you first notice i can take someone's instagram and understand exactly what this person is about when you see a lot of self-esteem this is a sign of a narcissistic person when men they post a lot of pictures of them in the gym it's like look i'm alpha male strong it is a red flag what is something else that would tell you something about women you know on the group pictures somebody hiding behind you and like doing this so this person is hiding something insecure about his or her body and i also would say this person is shady let's say there's a woman who wants to manipulate or influence a man what would you do to make man just completely be mad in love with you um

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3:13see the training programs usually are very intense yes was there a moment in in training that was designed to break you oh yes absolutely you see the the the easiest way to control someone's mind is to make this person to be physically exhausted i would literally sleep four hours a day and of course at some point you would be just so exhausted that you would agree to whatever just like give me some time to sleep or let me just relax a little bit and physical activities also so you see when you are super busy with lessons and homework and physical activity you don't have time to actually evaluate and digest what's really going on with you and you accept all the information you're given actually i remember now there was like one interesting class which i i don't know if any other agencies have that in other countries but okay so we were sitting for like 40 minutes in front of the computer so each student in front of the computer and i know that's quite crazy so there would be i don't know even what it was so there would be a very loud sound but no words it's like a sound with a particular

4:48rhythm okay i would i i suggest there would be like a 25 they call it um sorry so oh my god coding i think like it's coding so when you hear a sound there is a coding behind okay and the coding would program your brain but you wouldn't be able to hear and understand it so your unconsciousness would accept it does it make sense no okay so the sound was like this

5:26i don't know how i mean like we had to sit in front of this computer for 40 minutes and there would be um different uh um sort of like graphics but again no no particular shapes okay that would be like uh i would think it's sort of like a hypnosis but with the coding behind it and what would that do to you i suppose it was sort of um programming brain programming like brainwashing that's what i think i believe because in this like after i i remember after that you have this uh feeling like you are very like you feel emptiness and at the same time you feel peace and at the same time you have no fears whatsoever so if you would be if you would be asked like are you scared today tomorrow you would be like i don't care that's kind of like feeling i had after this session weird sessions yes tell me was tell me two more two three more things from the trainings that you actually thought was very different or unusual well the absolutely the whole sex techniques for me what was it virgin were very unusual i mean we've been taught like i mean you have kamasutra right yeah so that actually was part of our training as well like different sort of positions and all that so they would teach you everything about sex and sex techniques yes but mostly it would go to how to please your partner where he's erosion zones where he's most sensitive sensitive zones how to put anchor on your target's body so this anchor would work so you can use this anchor for good and for bad for good it would be you can like literally really make your partner feeling that i'm the best because the most powerful moment you can do during the education and at the same time in opposite you can ruin someone's self-esteem if you also at the same time would say like you're the loser and you're the worst person and you are the worst you know in sex for example i'm just saying so it's so powerful because when man particular after education he has the most vulnerable relaxed time where his brain consume and accept any information you say to anchor technique you said what what is that there's so many anchor techniques you can actually anchor yourself for a success for example but in this particular way what did they teach you what was the anchoring technique they would teach you related to sex to make our target to be dependent in sexual way from you so and also not to be able to be aroused with any other female partner so he would be only hooked on you how would you do that anchoring techniques is there any technique that you can share i mean yes i don't mind for you maybe if your audience would spot uh that somebody tries to do it on you so you must know that this is manipulation because i totally believe that honey trap is manipulation okay and that's why i share to people how not to get trapped okay if your partner tells you particular words for example if your partner says after education oh you're the best you are incredible like this for example uh intercourse like this sex was the best um in this case and also touch the part of the body which is should be your sort of like spot which is not uh that um let's say like public for example it shouldn't be hands because we do like handshakes and all that so it would be for example neck or maybe shoulders or maybe ear um you touch that or you kiss it or you you know bite it a little bit slightly and you tell these words and you will repeat it a few times straight after the education that's a very strong technique to make your man believe that he is the best and his confidence just goes up but this is also good for wives because in this case if they want to motivate their husband to go and work harder this really helps i believe in you you're the best but in a way manipulators using it or like honey trap agents they would say we we are the power couple and use the same things only i can help you only with me you can have such a pleasure only with me you can be strong only i know how to make you successful i know i am the best in your life so in this case right after the sex they will say this yes and also with the touching the same spot and every time when you want to activate this spot even though you're in public or another day or something you can also touch it and same the same code name like words uh this activates the brain believing and also have a confirmation if somebody would say that yes she's right i am only successful if she's next to me like i like this example napoleon and josephina you know what she would tell him and she was a great manipulator she told him you are nothing without me repeated so he would repeat it and what we say we are what our brain believes and he would say i'm nothing without you so he gives confirmation to his brain that i cannot live without her even though she was cheating on him publicly and everybody knew that the whole country he still was with her till her that interesting you also said that the intelligence would teach you a certain sex techniques and as a young person it was very unusual for you to just learn that but they would work what what sex technique an intelligence agency would teach you that this will get a man completely off guard well a lot but give me one because you said you compared it eye to eye with kama sutras i want to understand what is the intelligence technique that agency is telling you yes um we'll start from what every person needs and every person has their own fetishes right preferences in particular sex everybody likes different stuff everyone's body is unique and when you find this let's say weak spots and when you fulfill these gaps the men if you're talking about men and also women most likely would never go to another sex partner because they have the best experience with you but how do you identify that a lot of conversations a lot of um um just let's say during the whole in you know intimacy you can ask questions do you like this do you like that if i would do this would you like that or maybe even before or after intercourse a lot of interaction and actually it does help to also couples when wife and husband speak and share what they like what they don't like which is quite normal and it's communication and also trying different things like not just different positions but for example having a wild intercourse in public let's say in the parking lot in the car in the you know forest or like while you do hiking or maybe in the movie theater and because this is also unusual and it gives you a lot of adrenaline which is together with you know the dopamine it gives you like such a big boost or for example you um you know why teenagers like horror movie because of adrenaline and then after they have like this um arousal the sexual arousal because of the same thing it's a it's a component of these uh hormones and for example or you go for you know like attractions and you do like this uh roller coaster right and then like again you have adrenaline and if you are with your partner most likely you'll have like a great sex so when you combine all these things together but also what i would suggest um

15:47giving in this case particular man giving him freedom to do whatever yeah like every man's really desire is to have this ability to do what he wants with the female body i mean this is nature but i'm not talking about every man but or very common thing if a man has a very difficult hard job maybe he's CEO or politician and the whole day he has to command and give orders most likely he would want to take orders from a female to tell him what he needs to do in order to relax and get like you know sort of like dominant females where he can just relax and receive a pleasure so there's so many different things but again like you just need to listen to your target number one so the strategy would be talk a lot talk about all these exciting adventurous stuff get them to do that once so that they start feeling like oh this is the most amazing thing in the world and then say them certain words and then do it again and again and again whatever they like and that's how you get them addicted not only that also there are a lot of emotional stimulation like for example emotional swings when you give a lot of love bombing for example you just meet and this is what manipulators do you meet he is incredible she's incredible you have chemistry butterflies in your belly wow this is the man of or like the woman the perfect in my life and you have this communication a lot of messages calls maybe some presence love bombing a lot of attention a lot of like you know connection and when you already get used to it then the person just disappears and what happened our brain receive a lot of attention which is a lot of dopamine and then at one point there is no dopamine anymore so what our brain does it goes really crazy and what you do you only think about this person you cannot eat you cannot work you cannot concentrate on anything else and you think like i'm in love with this person and you try to find this person and you can't and then this manipulator would or like professional pickup artist would come back and say oh i'm so sorry i i went to the hospital i had a car accident or i lost my phone or something happened and it's a strategy and again he or she would give you a lot of love bombing and compliments and time and energy and then again something would happen till the moment you realize that you're so hooked and you're so addicted of this emotional swings and you cannot live without it because like what happened dopamine rush like it goes up then down again like you know it's like sort of like consumption of drugs yeah and when you know like this swings you get used to it you get addicted especially when in your childhood you had narcissistic father and mother who would do the same one day they would be loving parent and give you compliment and like hug you everything and the next day they would call you names or like just ignore you and for you this is your pattern so in the future you would look for somebody like that who would behave like that interesting so you learned all of these techniques and then you graduated because you got a diploma can you show me a diploma yes so this diploma so i'll show you a few documents and actually this is first time when i show these documents like this publicly um i do send these um documents when i um when i give interviews to different i don't can we show it in the camera and i can show it to you but like without surnames because yeah i cannot do it it's classified and this is the translation and this is original as you can see i mean this is like what 22 years or something and i'll blur it i'll blur the name then i can show this in the camera oh please blur it please please please i'm begging you because this is very No, Lari, don't worry.

20:42For 20 years, I'm hiding my identity. So this is translation and I have this. What's this? This is apostille. So if a document you translate, it has to be original. They give you apostille. So it's meaning that it's real. Like the authenticity of the, and this is apostille for this, for the diploma. so so this is your the for the role of junior police agent for the operational and criminal investigation department of administration of internal affairs and just to confirm with my surname and name so this is my i don't have it of course but this is my real name combining with this um uh because now you can see that it's the same surname and the same id my first driving license which i got in russia so yeah so this is only my proof uh you look different here of course i do of course you know i had to uh change so different yes of course i mean look in the end of the day um now no but before you wanted to blend with other people if you really aspire because you don't want to be yeah over but again depends on your mission if you are spying on someone you probably should be like like the whole crowd yeah for us for example like some of us we had to be like outstanding and more kind of like yeah attractive what are these pictures so this is uh me taking an oath so you can see like how the academy looked like you see like these floors everything is gray this is after the oath this is the uh this is after the oath this is after what after the oath the oath yes so this is yes this is this is so this is taking the oath uh you can see some of my previous um classmates the thing is that these photos has been done on this old small phone yes you know like uh what tape and then you had to go and like print it so it's not it's it's not digital so it's really bad um this is uh also but like please do not show her face because i don't know what's her situation but uh this is the you see like how i say about portraits so there are a lot of portraits a wall full of portraits so when you look at all these people you feel like wow this is incredible

23:41um this is some of my but this is what's before um i did it for another what does this mean It means two centuries protecting the country for two centuries. Oh, that's why 1802 to 2002. Yeah. Some of my former classmates. And this is my dad, but please also don't. And this is my grandfather, actually, who has the... His name is graved on the biggest monument in Stalingrad after the Second War. so he was a hero he's your grandfather this is my grandfather this is me I was just born and this is my father who served in the military but just like yeah I want you yeah so but yeah so I'm coming from the family of military military yeah so that was my only one future I wouldn't be able to work in fashion and only after 30 years I was able to do what I want and I was able to go to you know I sit at the Morangoni and study fashion and I did work there for 10 years nice nice so take me through a mission from briefing to step by step to implementation and to the exit like what happens to the exit yeah like from starting till the exit like give me step by step okay I'll tell you about one mission but the person is already that if it's okay all right and it was like in the beginning beginning um all right so after working in the department for maybe like six months about we had this new criminal gang uh which was quite powerful in the city but again they were not that big because again there were like a lot of big is like uh i wouldn't call it right now in russian because people wouldn't understand anyway but there were like some big criminal gangs and then they were like under it's like an umbrella under there would be like some smaller yeah gangs so that was small gang which is supposed to bring us to the big one which way in the end was vladimir so when we started our observation our mission i found out that this young quite handsome man he loved to go to clubs like you know disco clubs and he would always get a table and himself with a lot of women beautiful but then what we noticed after some time some of these women would be disappeared so we kind of like we didn't know we didn't have any evidences yet but we could suggest that these women these young girls i'm talking about like 18 20 years old so not like really women uh they would probably be kidnapped for uh eventual like sales abroad because again like russian slovakian looking women are the most expensive women for sex trafficking why because of the look you know like uh in model agencies it it was at some point the boom for russian models um tall blue eyes blonde hair you know just beautiful beautiful girls so these girls would be kind of like disappeared because we would have reports from parents like oh our daughter went to the club and she never came back and every time this guy would literally have like every evening different girls like five four like maybe more around him and it always would be him and girls and just like some security guys like driver and security and like also criminals but like low level so i actually did like it at some point because i started to go to the club every evening which was kind of cool because it was my job so you see like sometimes when you watch these movies sometimes it does a little bit of work like that because the club was really you know popular it was number one of course you couldn't be able to get in unless you know someone and um i remember i was spotting what these girls would wear and then the next day i would go to the market and buy the same tights and i remember particularly there were like particular tights because like i mean it's all about the look right so um if you want to seduce your target or you want him to like you you should adopt those looks and manners and behavior like his uh you know ideal like image so the next club evening like club night i was dressed up at the same time one of my colleagues was also there so he was like at the bar and i of course if you want to get attention you should dance i wouldn't say i'm a good dancer as any indian woman because i love indian dances and i'm not that good but yet yeah i did my best and he did notice me so that was our plan he invited me to the table i came to the table I started to talk to him.

29:49Of course, I gave him a lot of attention. I was telling him funny stories, giggling and all that. Because at that point, I needed him to choose me over other girls, because like he had so many girls around him, so I had to be the best. And at some point, I sat down closer to him. So in this case, I could speak with him and I was whispering him some stuff to his ears provoking him and it is work so that night i went to him to his uh house of course with the escorts of other criminal like employees like security and drivers but i mean it's sort of okay so i actually um another skill i got i learned how to do a massage a really good massage and you know that there's some point some spots on your body some you know points especially in chinese medicine they use acupuncture but some spots on your body where you can press you can actually make anyone to fall asleep or and relax or you can make anyone to be aroused right so if you know like way to press it and you know what i'm talking about so i told him oh like because at the same time i needed to get some time more for my team to be able to come to the house and besides we also had some evidences but not a lot in order to arrest the whole team criminal team and um i needed to buy some time so i told him like oh darling you know you look so tired why don't i do massage for you uh and the massage would take me like good one hour and he was like thinking he was planning that we will have under core intercourse after the massage so i did specifically as i've been taught and literally like in 40 minutes he fell asleep which actually gave me time to slowly and very like subtly go and open the door behind so my team can could walk in and i also need to mention that in some parts of the team they do cleaning job meaning that they are the ones who are terminating the target so that was all i needed to do i opened the door they came in arrested some of the parts but without secured like security wouldn't be there security wasn't at the same uh room he we were in the bedroom which is like a separate uh how did your team get into from the back door And the security was from the main gate, which is more like dining area and outside.

32:56So that's why they went to the back door. But we did study the house. Where does he live? What does he do? Where does he go? And how many people? He wasn't there with so many people, usually like two men, two criminals. So yes. That's how the mission was accomplished. Okay. Tell me, you also say that you weaponize perfume. What is a special sort of perfume? i wouldn't say it's a special weapon i would say um okay so here is the thing you know that people estimate and evaluate us during three five seconds even before we start to talk right and that's why usually men and women too they look at us at the new person um they first of all they look at the face then like so till here like this is the main thing and then they look down right so this is like a few things a few seconds they estimate you it does depend from your position your energy how you carry yourself your posture everything but then when they come to you or when you approach them the next thing they smell you they don't like particular smell you but they it's like still animal instincts so they kind of like sniff you so okay do i like you do i not do i wanna speak with you or just say anything or not so kgb scientists created a special formula for the perfume and it's quite organic because it does include some oil from the russian territory based plants i don't know if they grow in another land but i do know that they grow in russia for sure and they just created this formula and i would say it's sort of like seductive scent which you can apply to your body and it does increase your own pheromones which your body creates because we all have you know our ferments especially at the moment of our arousal the body creates that so this perfume helped to increase these pheromones and hence it does help you with interaction with other particular like male with a man than female and what happens like if you apply that perfume a man would probably be more attracted to you yes they would be like others uh yeah so men usually would be more attractive or you would just compliment or you look so smart what is this perfume like you know how many times i got this compliment like i like your perfume what is it oh it's a very very special it's just like well like women would say like oh wow like where can where can i buy it so the funny thing so many actually um i don't know like every time i speak about it so many people uh direct message me on instagram saying like what is this perfume i want to get and this is like question number one which is cool so i um i actually gave that so i have that bottle 20 years ago so i gave that formula to the factor in us so now they're trying to uh create similar perfume so i can actually you know like give it to people because um it's quite great because you feel first of all you feel more confident second it does help you in any negotiations not just romantic but also business you know relationship so you come to the i don't know like to pitch your project and people like oh she's so cool do you remember the movie perfumer no the french one so there was a movie um the guy actually would kill beautiful young ladies and get like they from this skin he gets like these pheromones which i'm talking about and then he would create a perfume so that perfume was so strong that the moment when he actually dropped some uh put some drops on the um on the like like piece of this fabric or something and just like you know blew it people started to have intercourses publicly everywhere so that's how does it work do you have that i have i brought it specifically for you i've never show it to anyone besides it looks terrible because it's very old and the color is really bad so don't spray it because i don't think it's it's outdated but yes that that's uh that's what we were given before and it's just so old now but that's weird You can spray.

37:38I don't know if it's really outdated, but maybe spray on something else. Maybe on the napkin. So at least, who knows what's in there. Interesting. I can spray it. Can you smell it? I can smell a little bit. I can smell it too, but it smells bad. like it smells like few few sweet notes which is good but then it smells like it's an old perfume i'm telling you 20 years it looks it smells very very old but it's oily right it like gives you this like oily kind of thing like it's sweet like it's a good i could send that it's a it can be a good perfume but it's old like it feels like rotten yeah i mean yeah of course 20 years but There's some sweetness to it.

38:32Interesting. Yeah. So this you would apply. So you're trying to recreate this. I mean, you use everything, every tool you can use in order to succeed in your mission, right? If you really want to be successful, you want to learn as much as you can and practice it and just make it happen. Yeah. Let's begin from here. Let's say you don't know anything about me. you've just seen me online probably watched a couple of podcasts you walked in i am the target i'm a stranger to you okay and then you have like one hour how will you strategize to figure out that you want to manipulate me or you want to seduce me like what are the things that you would identify from my personality if you're meeting me for the first time in fact let's do one thing don't give me an answer right now okay don't give me an answer right now we'll wait till the end of the podcast okay and in the end you tell me what have you noticed okay so which will help you probably okay so in this one hour these are things that i noticed you i could press you not press you and maybe you could do like okay live analysis with me yeah let's do that yeah right that'll be that'll be good that that's funny yes that's like a game I love it.

39:50Okay, so you, because you were an intelligence agency and those intelligence agencies have spent decades mastering this technique of getting information from other people, right? And cracking them open. And you've learned that. And now you teach that to people. What is one single thing about human nature that I need to learn? I would say the most important is patience. What do you mean by that? i'll explain so the two important big differences manipulators they rush you for example when you see this advertisement like this is the last sales get it in 10 minutes otherwise you lose it or like you know like black friday is how they push people to buy and this is manipulation manipulation manipulators always rush you like you have to make this decision now otherwise you'll lose it otherwise you'll lose like or your your life will be the worst and people tend to believe and overspend money or getting into relationship where they don't want businesses also in business there is a manipulation like that sign this contract right now or you will be bankrupt or like get this loan right now or like that's it or if you are not sure about the right partner or investor they would still push you and this is manipulation where they would give you a lot of benefits and they would push you like they would constantly call you meet you and just like come on come on let's do it like i'm leaving i don't have time or something else is happening this is proper manipulation secret agents never push like if they really need to establish trust with the target never they become uh like this real sort of friend who is always there to support if they need to uh have with the target a long-term relationships okay when it's a short relationships of course it doesn't matter how do you approach and how do you manipulate you have a compromise which is compromising material and they literally tell you either you work with us either like you'll fail so this is manipulation but when agent need to establish a trust with an informer for example in another country the agent would give enough time for this target to relax and get used to you according to our psychology we need to see a person or an ad seven times at least in order to make a decision to go and buy or to establish like a conversation with this new person and especially now people you know like living in digital world we lost this kind of communication skills so if you want to establish a really trusting relationships give your partner time do not push do not call all the time do not tax all the time don't like you know over spam his like emails or whatever or you need this person for businesses be there maybe the same events maybe you find out if he goes to particular gym get the membership there golf get the membership there conferences go there as well but don't approach yet be somewhere there the peripheral vision and this is social engineering the peripheral vision will see you somber day in the crowd so but then after seven times oh like i can trust this person i can trust this face because i've seen this face already so you give your future partner wherever business romantic enough time to get used to you tell me can i can i manipulate someone by creating an urgency oh yes absolutely how can i do that always well romantic or business relationship let's go romantic first and then we do business so for example you are dating with a woman you like her you invite her to like you know dates and uh for example i mean like this is really dark psychology and i hope like man you're responsible not to uh for like you know not to do it it's it's kind of like a pickup art i would say but um you know see it's important to know so that's how people know what to avoid yeah yeah yes uh okay so if you see that someone tells you let's meet today or like tomorrow and uh or like come over let's hang out especially like this like term or let's do something together today tomorrow like now and you're like oh i cannot today i'm working you know i cannot like you know he or she would say no we need to do it now because i'm living in like for let's say i'm living tomorrow for like a month so this is creating urgency or for example now i have so many admirers and you're one of those admirers so if you don't do it now you lose your opportunity so you have to do it now not like particularly you're telling i have a lot of admirers you show that you have for example in instagram stories you put like oh somebody present me flowers or like somebody present me this oh this guy texted me this or that for example and this guy you would say like oh i didn't know like this that like i have so many like other options so this is already a kind of like you know urgency

46:11or another thing to moving together or making to propose you men be careful if women do this when they so you date not for a long time and then she comes to you and she tells you you know my father is against our relationship so he will cut me completely if I will not break up with you so the guy has this option either I you know commit to her and take care about her either she goes back to daddy and stay with her family number one option number But two, she can say, oh, my ex-boyfriend just reached me out and we broke up because he didn't want to marry me. So now he came back and I said that I'm dating you, but he wants kids and he wants to have a family.

47:10So you have to choose now. Isn't that red flag you break up with these kind of people? Yes, but the thing is, that's what, you know, we are talking about right now. So men would spot these red flags. A lot of men, they are very naive. the naive naive and they would fall for this a lot of men would fall for this i will explain why because number one when a woman creates that not everyone but when a woman creates this drama and it's also this dopamine hormone all the time she's so cool she like we have the best sex she uses all the programming anchoring techniques most likely he would be like okay let's just move on like together let's just marry or whatever because he doesn't want to start the whole dating process again because it's time consuming and he has job he needs to be you know committed to his job and now he needs to start again relationship and then invest his time and money and everything it's easier to be already with her that's it that's how men actually think it's crazy yeah but it is what it is so true i i can think of some men who i know who think like that see because they think like i cannot waste my time to do again like dating apps or like going out and again like where i would find someone i i'm okay with whom i have even though she wants to move on or get married like eventually a lot of people are like if i lose her probably i won't be able to find another one yeah someone as good as her or as and especially if she always every day tells you i'm the best woman in your life you will never find anyone better this is a men start believing that no of course if you every day tell yourself like that you are this you will you're like apple you'll believe you're apple eventually tell me what you know when when we talk about all of this right there's an important part which is seduction people seduce other people in a way that they're not able to move on and most people think that seduction is just about attractiveness is it no seduction is not about attractiveness at all seduction is about um psychological intelligent techniques and it's about um it's an art and if you craft it you know how to do it seduction is to create the world where your target feels at the best state meaning when we fell in love we don't fell in love into a person we fell in love into this world into this bubble this person creates for us where we feel the best we feel the smartest we feel the most successful isn't it nice when somebody tells you i believe in you you are the best you will succeed no matter what i'm here to support you like you're a genius you like this and this and that of course slowly you start to believe in that again programming and you fell in love into this beautiful illusory world and you want to stay there because without this person you don't feel so meaningful and valuable that's the art of seduction tell me give me techniques how can you do that to somebody how can you create this world of illusion where other person just seduced by you because i hear you seduction is not attractiveness seduction is attention if you pay attention to somebody and create a world where they're feeling the most understood they're feeling seen they're feeling best of the world they're feeling that they're the most interesting person in the room and if they feel important they're going to be completely into you right absolutely so what are the techniques number one technique is active listening so people unfortunately forget about that you know there is even in the history there was like a minister in England prime minister in England and there were like situation where the queen said with him I felt that he's the most smartest person in the world but with another one i felt that i'm the most smartest in the world so performing active listening it's not just sit down and look into the eyes and listen but it's also asking right questions to lead this conversation like you do right now so that's the active listening number two supportive also questions so for example when i share my story and you find so many different similarities so you create this emotional bond and my brain eventually will trust you because i say for example oh like i love indian tea you know like this is one thing or um i love like indian culture and uh congratulations uh female cricket team won the world cup which is i think like it was the first time in 47 years which is incredible meaning that so many it's such a huge possibility for women you know to go bigger and it's amazing it's like women empowerment so it's uh the the time is changing so when you create a lot of um similarity similarities and like this kind of you build the bridge for example you have similar interests you have similar hobbies and it does create that sort of like connection the next would be the next step that would be creating something together and that could be for and a good advice also for couples when you want to create family you should start from creating something together a project it could be anything it could be helping every week uh and volunteer volunteering for a charity and you know giving like providing food for homelessness it could be having a project to create a new business company having a project to create uh and build the house for example so when you find something which you and this person wants to have so you are there to support and help and create this together then again like you unite together for this project so it becomes part of your life and it's so meaningful rather than just have a relationship that just hang out when i'm free because in reality we're never really free we're always busy and uh great relationship are when you do things together not just hobbies not just uh you know going out but also building things together like businesses for example this is i think like the power couples are when they build businesses together um or like when for example she is supporting her partner as let's say PR like brand manager or like maybe on philanthropic side and he is uh the CEO of the company or like politician or like so he's executive so you know she's helping him he's helping her so it's like unity like yin and yang so that that's the most uh powerful relationship I would say seduction also another step of seduction is and you see like again like it's not about really sex of course sex is very important and of course there's so many techniques as I think like Indian nation is the first nation and like the ancient culture who actually know that and you know you have come a sutra and so on so you know better than anyone else but again without the trust sex is really nothing true that's why in seduction the most important is to build this trust and to give your partner let's say like your target this um trust where it's almost like a soul connection and that's why everything in sex with also line even though in the beginning nobody has a great sex but in the beginning uh you can always like you know share what you like what you don't like and slowly you get used to each other bodies and develop the best techniques which are great for you interesting is is seduction and manipulation same or different?

56:37Oh, absolutely different. Give me difference. That's a great question. Let me think about it. This is actually a great question. I would say this. Manipulation is always negative. So, manipulation, it's always negative for the victim because manipulator wants to take something from the victim and that's why he manipulates the victim. So, it's always negative because it's against the victim's will. if you're talking about seduction seduction really can be used and for good and for bad but when somebody trying to seduce you it could be just simply because they genuinely like you and they want to be with you correct if you're not talking about honey trap if you're talking just like in a normal day-to-day relationships seduction it's also the tool to empower someone don't you feel nice that women around you flirt with you trying to seduce you you feel like oh i'm a handsome guy you know like it all like the same thing for a girl doesn't happen with me so i don't know i mean like okay like i'm just kidding huh yeah but like i mean generally speaking like when people give you compliments it does lift up and boost your self-confidence right so seduction in this case can be also can work for you as a self-empowering self-confident tool seducing someone is also like a game there is no need to go to bat straight away but it's it could be a nice slight game switch can last for a long time and at the same time you you feel like interested like it's playful thing so seduction is not that negative as manipulation because seduction not necessarily has this uh uh result of uh conquering and uh getting someone.

58:57Okay. If it doesn't make sense. So, if it's... So, manipulation can be negative. Manipulation is always negative, yes. Influence... Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, but influence is positive because influence, you're influencing people, right? On doing something cool. For collective betterment. Yeah, like... Manipulation is only one person's betterment and another is negative. Yes. is every human being manipulable at some point yes even our pets you know pets they do this all the time like you have a dog and like if you don't give a dog the treat she will pee or poo on your like covered same with cats same with kids if you don't give the treat or something they want the toy right now they will scream this is also sort of manipulation yes so is there anyone or genuinely someone who can't be manipulated cannot be manipulated yes it's the person who completely control know how to control his emotions and the person who is aware so that's why here and everywhere in my old platforms i teach people how to spot manipulation and in the book which is coming out so it's all about how not to be dropped because in any relationship business romantic friendship even a family family members they manipulate us oh i'm so old you're not calling me like you know parents and if you're not like coming see me i can die tomorrow and you will always blame yourself that you didn't see me for i mean like how many stories we heard like that so many right it's also part of manipulation so the thing is when you are aware of these things when you know how does it work because manipulation is everywhere even in you know social media or like tv news or everywhere when you understand how does it work you kind of like what you need to do you need to get yourself out from the this like you know like it's like a circus so everybody everybody or like a theater let's imagine everywhere like in every relationship when it's manipulation in particular they're like different actors and they drag you into their drama especially some of our mutual like i mean like some of our friends and business partners they want you to participate in this drama because they want you to be distracted or like the government what they do there were like a big splash about absten files now everybody's shifting to the war situation because like it's again also destruction so when you shift yourself from this theater and you become not the act one of the actor but you sit there as an audience and you look what's going on and you analyze who's doing what and also give yourself time that's again like the patience very important you would simply understand what's going on and that's why it's so um for everyone i think like the first thing they need to do is always give yourself time when somebody send me you know for any project a contract and they push me like sign it now this is a red flag yeah i say i need to send to my lawyer you know he will review it and all that it will take some time sometimes it takes like weeks but give yourself time when you don't know how to make the right decision give yourself time gather information speak with different friends colleagues even like with somebody who understand what to do in this field but gather information do the research learn about each other like you know like just to understand as more you know is better and then you make a decision interesting when you walk in a room and you know there are people which you don't know which you don't know yeah and let's say there's some target and you want that person to be man like influenced or maybe fall in love with you maybe just start a conversation or something what do you first notice in first few seconds the moment you walk in the room and like what is specifically that you would notice about that person or about the room which a normal person like me would not not notice well first of all before meeting my target I would always gather as much as information I can okay and now in this digital world it's so much easier you have social media and I can you know take someone's Instagram go through the field and understand exactly what this person is about okay what were the three things you would look at Instagram and try to gather and then you'll make out this is the personality of a person great question thank you i think like everybody like oh my god because i read that uh apparently in this top one uh users of instagram over 500 million people this is incredible 70 percent a man um which is this is this is no this is this is cool i mean like amazing so when you scroll someone's account and you see a lot of selfies i'm not saying selfies are bad but this is a sign of a narcissistic person okay why I will explain if you see like in the field like every every other row it's a selfie this is the signal this is the sign of narcissism why because when you always do selfies like that right it means that you want validation from other people to tell me how beautiful or wherever you are so you're in a circle or yourself opinion is not enough so you want this validation from other people does make sense yeah for example this is one thing that would mean like i can post normal pictures as well and still look for validation right no not okay but listen like self is like that yeah unless it's a skincare or makeup promo it's different this is like job it's already content so so um yes when you post pictures about your let's say daily life i actually like your instagram so i checked it out obviously before so some of the carousel you had like just um different collective pictures from what you've done during like a week or a month like you work you gave a public speaking you ate this kind of food you hang out with friends you like met somebody you travel and all this this is great and i think this is um really a sign of um i'm sharing with you audience about my life this is like a sneak peek about what i do and i'm sharing this with you right so this is great

1:06:39when men they post a lot of pictures of them in the gym you know what does it mean yeah yeah what does it mean it's like look i'm alpha male look i'm doing gym meaning that i am you know strong because um working out in the gym it's also like sort of like discipline the commitment so they want to show that look i'm so disciplined i work out look like at my muscles look i'm alpha male like women look at my muscles which is quite silly though but unless you're not fitness coach okay but wouldn't it mean people who post a lot of pictures in gym they're just trying to show of something that they've built after working a lot like after working hard yes like and then it's nothing bad in it because they're proud of something they've done yeah but not every picture right this is number one sometimes it ends up becoming the personality because probably five other things which they've done in their life is not as significant or as big as just turning or transforming their body so they're proud about the fact that they're pushing yeah but okay if it's like every other post it's about him with the selfie or like in the mirror if it's like this kind of videos like look i was like fat and now i am fit and this is my program i'm sharing with you okay but like not every day of a different muscle and they're just showing up yeah you know like what what does that tell a woman for a woman uh so men apparently they think that this is seducing women only maybe some silly women i don't know but like it it's not that's a woman you yourself and you have 5 000 people community community what do women think about men who post pictures of gym yeah like gym all the time selfies like that it's a red flag wow yeah it is a red flag for sure or men who's always like out like i'm here with buddies in the restaurant i'm here at the red carpet i'm here like you know doing something like this is also like uh very selfish this is like very egocentric way okay because look there's also a red flag this is so rude i mean like it's kind of like show off that a lot of women would be into it right because they could see a fantasy or a new world that this man can provide which probably their life is not so this women are gold diggers then okay or like women who wants to have this lifestyle because this guy has this lifestyle and they think that if i will be with him i will have the same lifestyle that that's the like a stable strong woman won't like that a stable woman who wants to have a healthy relationship with men would want probably a man who doesn't have a instagram posting every day because if you're not an influencer and we both know that because we work in that field if you're not an influencer and you not make your profit from social media posting how the heck you have so much time to post pictures every day because one post i don't know how for anyone but to do one good video reel or whatever post it takes me minimum one hour so it's one hour of my life even i have a team but yet it's one of my plus you need to do video you need to put makeup and hair and all this like i mean like imagine how so it means that if he posts and he's not influencer blogger so it means that he doesn't have job meaning either he's broke or like he's so narcissistic he wants validation so he doesn't have anything in his life apart from just like posting so it's completely different thing so you see that as a red flag interesting okay what else you can make it out you said if you post selfies then it's sign of narcissism if you post a gym pictures all the time all the time then like not gym like body body pictures yes yeah all the time what does it say again that uh you need validation okay that look i'm devoted to your insecure that's why you posted okay and what's the third sign uh for the for the social media you know when people don't have their own opinion they always reshare someone's content Like they don't have their own opinion.

1:10:59They see something, news or whatever, and they share it. And the whole field is someone's content. What does it tell you about a person when they share? This person doesn't have his own opinion. He's very easily manipulated. He has a victim mentality. Interesting. And what would it be for a girl? The same thing? Same thing for everyone. What would a girl post and what would it signal to you? a lot of uh revealing pictures like bikinis like uh underwear a lot of like skin that's actually is sort of like only fun um situation because obviously whom she will attract she will attract a lot of men but so i mean so what does it tell you about a woman who post just these pictures how would a woman see that woman if man posts pictures of him with a leg if a if a woman is posting bikini pictures and revealing clothes every day uh-huh what do you see it as well she's obviously selling her body probably she gets this traffic to lead into the only fans where she can charge man not everybody would be doing only fans well i mean like as much as i know every other third girl seriously but i i don't believe that every woman who's posting these kind of pictures online would want to do that they are just doing it maybe just they're looking for sugar daddy so you would only see it as a red flag you wouldn't see it as somebody's just revealing for what i don't know i'm asking you from a woman's perspective okay great thing so every action of any person uh you should analyze you should ask the first question why why this person do this every she wants to who cares yeah but she wants it for what for validation for show like her body for what to attract maybe she's also worked hard for her body and she wants to show that off yeah but she can show that uh when she could wear a sport wear rather than bikini right so you would say it's just for so for men and women both you feel people who post a lot of shirtless pictures or like bikinis or small clothes whether men or women they both are either insecure and wanting a lot of validation or wanting to sell their body or or are looking for some sort of or trying to attract a wrong kind of crowd well depends we are like in the market right if there is like only funds so popular so it must be a market to so many requests from men who wants that so they do it for specific reason i have beautiful young body why not to sell it okay so that's one what what is something else that would tell you something about women from just an instagram profile forget revealing clothes something else that they show a lot you know on the group pictures like you come you like you know with the company and you have a dinner for example everybody like oh let's do a picture so when you see that somebody hiding behind someone like for example it's you standing and somebody hiding behind you and like doing this this is also speak about about um so this person is hiding something insecure about his or her body and i also would say not like about like i wouldn't trust but this person is shady so when you see like these pictures like that and you see like everybody stands straight and there is another person who's like so you wouldn't trust this person just because they're trying to be goofy it's not a goofiness it's like they do it all the time and it's not like for fun they actually are like that this is their personality you see the thing is um okay

1:14:57in order to really read a person you need to analyze the body language and facial expressions because you can tell whatever you want but you you will never ever be able to fake your energy and your memories when you ask about memories you cannot fake this you know when i speak about like my childhood drinking indian tea yeah i cannot fake it because this is my pure real uh emotions when i remember that moment and um if you want to spot the lie if somebody tells you words which you want to hear ask about past memories about emotions or like how do you feel yourself no but like really how do you feel yourself and like go deep into emotional level because that's somebody nobody can fake so what would a person's body language will tell you that words never can that that uh they lie no about anything what would a body language reveal because you said analyze the body language yeah what would it reveal that words will not be able to there's so many actually you can also control your body language you know that yeah you can simply control and your facial expression and body language and people say like oh if you like have this kind of like hands it's sort of like you have a closing position in fact it's not necessarily i just may have like uncomfortable jacket and i just want to cover it or maybe i don't feel like good i just want to kind of to hug myself or like it could be so many different things or when people say that um if you look left corner on the top that that means that you're lying absolutely not because sometimes you uh you can remember something yes so the body body language, I think, will never lie when you have a conversation and you talk about emotions, right, about memories.

1:17:13But also you need to see now at the moment we're sitting, you know, we're sitting, we're not standing and we have a table, which is an object, which I cannot say the whole body language. But if you don't have the table and we sit in front of each other, you would see how would i change my legs for example do i cross it do i know sometimes you know people trembling their feet what does it mean it means like nervousness anxiety which feels like i don't like this question i feel like like i want it to be and as soon as possible or for example you have a conversation and then if i would like sit for example looking at that corner like like this so i'm shifting my whole body in a sort of like i don't want to engage with you engage with you so i'm kind of like closing myself or for example um when if i would have like a pen or like cup for example and i would tremble my fingers or like use any object all the time this is also means that i am either nervous either i am i have anxiety i hide myself or like i hide my my thoughts or something like that so really like observe the whole body and also the all human beings you're all connected observe the energy yeah like you feel my energy totally right but i do bad that you had some guests where you felt that they had like energy like which was closed and you couldn't you know open that sort of gate and you were trying too hard to them to be open right yes so feel it like trust your god inhale exhale and just feel your energy aligned with your energy and like it's uh you know we're connected that's how you feel it okay is there a technique that you make that you make target come to you and you don't go there yes and in fact how do you make people come to you rather than you go to them professional secret agent would never a female particular would never approach male target herself simply because in man nature he is the conqueror and if he sort of decides that i want to approach this woman and this is my decision so hence of course she cannot be a spy and she cannot be manipulated because it was my decision but in fact she would already initiate the whole social engineering and the whole trap for him even before he would even think about it for example um

1:20:23social engineering i will not get into how we did it with vladimir because it's long and i've told that so many times but for example

1:20:38let's say you have a target and you know what kind of colors what's his favorite color what's his favorite place where does he go and everything and that's also how we did it And you can actually create that setting where you would, for example, as a woman come with like two, three girlfriends, but they're less beautifully looking as you are. For example, then you initiate eye contact. And this is like simple contact, like always like do like two seconds straight, then like down, then again. then you know like how it is like how women play with ice it's everybody knows but this is a signal for men then again if woman sits in front of him and slightly for example like you know um just like touch her neck hair this is also signal lips um neck uh you know shoulders like this it's also signals if she drops something in front of he and in front of him like and like picking it up this is also signal there's so many signals or she walks to the restroom and she walks near to him so he could see her this is also signal or if she would come closer if it's a bar for example and um she would ask the barman but loud enough so he could hear for example what does this gentleman drink looks so nice I want the same what does he drink so it's already kind of like she wants the same and then she's like would you like to try it's really nice and she's like oh what is it so that's it you started a conversation there was one actually great example that a nuclear scientist was targeted by a high knee drop agent and she was standing just nearby on the street and she knew that he was smoking when he started to smoke she just took the cigarette from her back you know wanted to smoke and he literally said in the interview you know i was smoking i looked into her eyes she looked into my eyes i was like let me give her like you know later later and that's it and then eventually she she was a spy but the thing is it was his and he couldn't believe that she was because it was his decision so there's so many techniques how you can do it but you actually never approach your target yourself how do you make somebody trust you i would say like it's not just like building the trust it's like how to make someone to like you of course number one um the whole behavioral aspect mirroring the intonation of the voice uh eye contact active listening creating mutual interest bridges about your past even though you may have completely different backgrounds but you need to find something where you can align together and say like oh i also like cricket or i also like uh this movie yeah you know so you but this is not trust yet this is like likability so it's slowly slowly slowly moving into more trust because trust you cannot gain in just one meeting true it takes time um so another one would be for example it's good to say what you're going to do and actually do it and do it a few times so the person actually feels like oh i can trust him because you know like scammers they do they come to you they say like hey rush can you invest like five thousand dollars to like new startup and you'll get ten thousand in one month like this guy got his money this guy got his money we all invested and we got like you're like okay 5 000 it's okay even if i lose it like okay let me try you invest in one month they give you 10 000 hey rush great job how about like investing 10 000 to you know like more like whatever stocks or whatever of the products of this company in one month you'll get 20 so you do again and again you got there like you're 20 and then again again and again until the moment where you invest big amount and then they disappear so this is how they these scammers manipulators and everybody everybody they build this pyramid they let you like slowly to you know get the trust build the trust and then eventually when you completely like 100 you trust this person they're gone they're gone there's one more one more trick that a lot of manipulators use right it's called manufactured vulnerability it's like you show somebody weakness but just a little bit so that the man feels like he has to not protect you but and then like you don't show a lot of weakness but you don't show a lot of power you just show a little bit of vulnerability and a little bit of weakness so that man starts feeling like now i have to protect her i have to be the savior because this little thing this little weakness like she can't tell it to the world or nobody can hurt her on that this is for women only right yeah because like men usually they they don't like to show yeah men like to protect right so women can show certain level of manufactured vulnerability so that man feels like now i need to protect her yeah and like a lot of women actually use it against men that's also like men have to be careful with that because i mean yes women do that they pretend sometimes to be weak and vulnerable so men take the whole you know responsibility and take care about them and that's yeah i I would say this.

1:27:36This is so ancient that it's just like women, like women nature is like that. And even in animal world, they do this. So I don't know if it's a manipulation. I don't think so. I think it's sort of... It's innate nature. This is natural. You know, in the middle of a conversation, somewhere you spoke about, because we're talking about women specifically, you spoke about post-collateral window right post what post-collateral window you know that window right after the sex there's like 15-20 minutes when a man is completely well oh yes yes yes yes yes yes so you you usually call it post-collateral window oh yeah okay i didn't know that okay yeah so it's like so i think yeah it's it's post-coital window or post-coital window i don't know how to pronounce it properly but this is what it means it means that because your dopamine is so high and then you just release it after that after sex there's like 15-20 minutes where usually men will believe whatever they you'll tell them and they're so vulnerable that they'll give you all the information that you want to extract out of them as well right yes what as as a as an agent what would you do in those 15 minutes where you know like this is my best window everything from questions how many people work with you for example like oh you you look so tired like what nobody is helping you there why do you do all the job yourself like do you have anyone to help you like how many colleagues do you have and who's your boss is he okay oh he's such a bad blah blah blah boss what's his like and he would like when somebody speaks about like of course at some point they would give you names and the whole information and you would ask like oh do you think like how long does he work here what exactly does he speak with this one and this one does he know about this one does he communicate with that one what do you think so like you know you lead the conversation you ask all these questions because obviously you look so tired like you know let's speak about your job and you'll feel much better about of course it wouldn't wouldn't be direct questions questions like what classified information do you know about nuclear weapon how can people use this in real life let's say if there's there's a woman who wants to manipulate or influence a man right influence man what would you say what would you do in that in those 15 minutes to make man just completely be mad in love with you because those 15 minutes will be the best time to feed in the programming um starting from i because then you connect yourself like you're saying like from i i believe you have never had any experience like that i believe that i am the most and wherever elegant beautiful best woman in your life I know because this is already a statement it's not a question I know that you really like me or like further I know you love me even though he didn't say I love you so it's all about like you know it's statement but what if a man is just like man thinks like man knows that this is not the best woman I've been with then would you still would he still would he say that no but Like, would he start believing when a woman says, even though if he knows that?

1:31:36You know that. And we discussed that. If you, like, say somebody every single time these things, you start to believe in that slowly. And then you're like, oh, maybe that girl was better. But why did we break up? Oh, yeah, right. She was hysterical. Well, at least this is not. Yeah, I guess, like, we have the best relationship. Yeah, I guess she's right. Something will hit and something will make me believe that. Yes. Because this is a statement. Women do mistake when they say, do you miss me? Do you love me? This is the worst question they can ever ask a man. Please don't do it, dear women. Because it's a question.

1:32:15What do you answer? Do you love me? You answer either yes, either no. Will you marry me? Either yes or no. If you want to influence someone, you do ask these questions. Or the question should be, are we getting married this year or next year so you don't have you don't give other option you only give two things all i can do this is this is what we should do or not do this is what you should you should do if you want him for example to get married to propose you um like so explain me so you said do you miss me is a bad way of putting it yeah every question or did you miss me this morning or right now is that a better question yes instead you say i know you miss me that's it i know you miss me i know you love me that's it it's a statement no no you don't do do you because it's a question where you get you give the right to the person to think and say either yes or no so if you don't want person to think think and it's it is sort of influence and you want him to go to direction you want him to go you say statements like i know you miss me nice i know i'm the best i know like we have the best relationship whatever and this the second thing you can do you want tea or coffee there is no question do you want tea or do you want coffee do you want tea or coffee do you want to marry today or i mean like this year or next year so it's uh you don't give any other option and see it's positive so he will answer you what you want to get eventually interesting what are the other two mistakes because this is a great thing you said women must make this one mistake where they ask question where a man has to think so you give them options in relationship to give statements or give two like yes like two options It's just like, don't keep it open.

1:34:34So that's one. One. Give me two more mistakes. Two, give a man his freedom. Meaning, please don't call or text every time asking, what are you doing? Where are you? With whom are you? This is like, no, this is red flags. Everybody will get annoyed after some time because you know what I'm saying. We want to have our freedom. We want to have our privacy. If I want to share with you what I was doing today, I will tell you. number three and this is um also um bad kind of like thing to do to bring a third person into your relationship it could be your family members it could be friends anyone if you bring a third opinion into your bond eventually it will destroy your bond because like oh she said he said that you didn't do it right or you should have done this or you didn't do this and and like oh my mom said that you should treat me better or my dad said or like my girlfriend so the third opinion eventually will ring you can say like oh my friend so like my parents really like you and they're very happy for me and for you for us that's it that's it But when you start to go to the third person and say, oh, you know what he did?

1:36:05He did this and this and this. And then you would pass this information, what the third person said to your partner. And then it will create the whole drama. So either you go to the therapist and you complain and get it out of your system or write it down and get it out from your system. But don't bring the third person, especially if it's a close friend or a relative. Interesting. Tell me, when I search about you online and when I do research on you, the one word which highlights it is sexpianage. What does sexpianage mean? It means a lot. But usually when people hear sexpianage, they always think about sex.

1:36:53In fact, Sekshbyanash, Honey Trap, Honey Pod, same term, it's all about psychological intelligence. When you know psychological techniques, how to influence people, how to persuade people, how to subtly program their mind, and hence how to seduce them. in order to establish long-term relationships and get information because it would be simple to say oh you just need to kill this person but the thing is you know that body no information no need so how to make someone to really trust you and share with you some classified information right you need to establish this trust and that what is sex banash and i would say intimacy probably would be 10 percent from the whole sexpianash strategy okay it 90 percent it's all about social engineering it's about uh emotional bond building trust interesting you know what like when when i hear about sexpianash or the world it looks like it's some james bond fantasy movie and then all you do is you psychologically get someone you build a relationship with someone get them into honey trap and then extract information and i'm i'm sure majority of the people who are watching this they would have the same same kind of image tell me one brutal truth about your world which will shatter this image of james bond fantasy in our heads Oh my God, I have so many stories.

1:38:38And let's start from the history of Cech Pianash, Honey Trap. So before the Second War, in 1930s, Stalin actually have received an information that his main general, I think his name was Tumchinsky, he was seduced by the German spy, female spy. Okay. And she extracted a lot of information. so Stalin that time decided to create a special program which is Sachs Panache so in 1931 they started to build schools with this program the program would last from six months to eight months sometimes to two years it depends but the initial program six months that's exactly the program which I attended. And of course, it's really classified information.

1:39:47If you would ask Russian, they would say, yes, we heard about it, but we don't know for sure if it does exist and where these schools are. And in fact, this is so classified information than when I just got enrolled, and I will tell you a little bit later story, how did it happen with me. for example my military academy and i actually called them two years ago it burned down with all the archives that's why i said to you thank god i was i was able to get some archive documents to prove it and the thing is that's what happening every single military academy they choose a few students which they think could be potential potential asset they choose those students and they educate them with this particular subjects with these lessons and then they give them missions to you know wherever execute or honey trap or like spy on someone depends in terms of examples there's so many examples in the world in the history okay Give me one.

1:41:02Actually, when I was doing my research in 1950, Indian handsome young diplomat attended Soviet Union and he was honey-trapped by the ballet dancer. Okay. So how does it usually, how it used to work in Soviet Union? I'm not sure it does work right now in Russia, but it was exactly 100 % how it was in Soviet Union. foreign diplomat comes or like ambassador comes to soviet union and there would be these beautiful actresses models um singers you know like celebrity females who already collaborated with and cover day kgb like hands like it was and cover day then at kgb so and everything based on the patriotism so because you're a real patriot you have to help government so the kgb sorry the kgb team would establish the whole social engineering so they would spy on the target what's his preferences what does he like what's his inner circle where does he go how many like you know coffee does he drink a day everything then they would hand all this information to the female agent the they would call them swallow so this swallow female agents agent would be taught how to make this allure how to approach him or how to make him approach her okay and for example this young in india for example when he had an affair in a hotel room usually the kgb would have this glass like mirror but behind there would be recording cameras and then after the you know sexy night they would come to the diplomat and give all these papers all these photos all these like videos and would say now either you work with us and tell us all information we want to know about your country either we will pass this information to your government that you have affair with the russian kgb agent or like to your family members your wife and sometimes diplomats they who were trapped honey trapped they would either go and work with the kgb or simply like indian diplomat by the way bravo to So he said, he actually laughed and he said, like, so what?

1:43:48I don't care. Like, go ahead and talk about it. Nice. Yeah, he came back to India and he actually confessed and he said that's what happened. So you see, it depends. But why would a KGB secret agent would try to honey trap Indian diplomat? Because aren't we friends? Exactly. That's the whole thing. But you see, especially in Soviet Union, it was Iron Curtain. So people really didn't know what was happening in the world. And that time, Soviet Union had to send as many agents as they could to different countries to actually really know what's happening in those countries like America, India. So yes, of course, it's a great friendship between it was Soviet Union and India.

1:44:40And now still it's amazing. Russia and their friends, yeah. Yeah, but still it's nice to have your own agents who actually tell you what's going on in that country. What's the whole idea? Okay. But tell me, when did you first realize that you were being trained for something that most people don't even know that it exists? i realized that when we were still in the academy and five of us uh so we were not allowed to discuss about this program about what we learned because we learned actually quite crazy stuff as well with anyone even with our uh classmates our other classmates so only in this little kind of like team so obviously we were kind of like shocked in the beginning and uh we were talking like you know like kind of like whispering to each other what is this program what's happening you know why do we like why do we study why do we need it so we kind of like realized about that but we have never been taught about the history of it how did it happen and why do we need to know that and how exactly we will implement these techniques in the future.

1:45:58So five of us went to different departments then. My department was fighting criminal world. Some other girls, I know that couple, they were sent abroad. I don't know what happened with them. Obviously, after that time, I really didn't have any connection with them. So I have no idea. And again, if even they would be somewhere, they would have completely different identity, look and names. Fair, but then was there any point where you realized that, okay, I have to go to some different world. I have to go convince a man or forge a relationship with that person in order to extract information. at what point were you aware that this is what is going to happen because you were you went to the school thinking that i'm going to learn the military skills i'm going to learn these all these different kind of skills because now i'm the top five it's my privilege to learn certain psychological uh stuff pressure pressure no pressure yeah yeah like they wouldn't tell you upfront and be like, hey, you need to do this, at least in the beginning?

1:47:15At what point did that happen? I didn't understand that in the beginning when I started there. Because again, it was all about education. I honestly was interested about learning self-confidence techniques, because when I just got enrolled, first of all, I was a virgin. Second, I was ugly duckling. I was bullet in the school i was the only one exotic looking girl in the school with all like blondes blue eyes you know beautiful girls um i ha i didn't have any communication skills so for me learning psychological techniques and psychological intelligence were extremely interesting and it's all about art of communication first of all and you know for the girl who doesn't believe in herself who feels ugly who doesn't know how to put makeup who doesn't know how to walk into the room and be a magnet to be like this beautiful alluring and feminine at the same time for me it was very useful information and only when i got to my department and when i started to work with my team on different missions and i was a bait um in these missions i realized my role and my function for example um imagine and especially when i mentioned about the criminal world i don't know how is it in india i would like to come but for example here in los angeles If you would go to Venice Beach or Santa Monica Beach or like anywhere nearby Hollywood, there's so many homeless people.

1:49:02But the government provides them food and, you know, some other medical insurance. Imagine that time in Russia after Soviet Union fall, there were like that amount of homeless kids. They were like kids, 8, 10, 14 years old on the streets. No food, no medication, nothing. Mostly of them were coming from other post-Soviet Union countries like Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan. And they're quite close to India as well. And all these kids, they didn't have anything, like no roof no food no nothing and i think like you understand what i'm saying it's really painful to see okay you understand if it's like adult and maybe this is his choice maybe he decides to live like that but when you see this vulnerable helpless children they don't know what to do they have no adults to help them so i was a bait in my team so you have like this strategy where we would spot and spy on this let's say like whorehouse or like the house they would sell drugs also clients could go and have sex services so those criminal groups they would pick up all these children mostly girls at this young age obviously they would drug them so they wouldn't you know be sort of like active or like understand big sort of unconscious and they would get raped like daily 10 20 times which is one of the most profitable businesses right you sell one time something like for example you sell like one gun or like one gram of cocaine or heroin or whatever this girl can be used multiple times and you can resell her again and again again so it's the most profitable business and we had to establish many different uh strategies for example when i said i was a bait and that time i was 18 years old so i had to pretend that i would be one of the girl and then eventually the criminal like you know somebody criminals would pick me up as a girl on the street or i would be nearby or something or somebody would bring me so we would also have undercover agents who would already work with them pretending that they are drug dealers and buy some um you know drugs and supply them sort of to others and bring money so we would also establish this connection with this criminal gang and then for example this drug dealer would bring me as another product to sell so i would be bought and i would be inside in this house and i would check how many girls were there how many clients would come how many criminals are there so together with my team and only with their commitment and it's so important and i wish i wish people would understand that and i i think like this is so important what this job is about um so together with my team, I don't know exactly, we saved over 500 underage children, but we couldn't save so many others.

1:52:40I imagine that what we could do if there would be more agents like us. So then, this was the time you realized that you're going to do this work, you're going to be an undercover agent and do all of this? Well, of course, my commander at that time said, and you know how it is, like you start from here, then you do your job. We give you promotion, then you do your job, we give you another promotion. So eventually, after the whole mission fall and the Vladimir mission I'm talking about, My actually commander said, I'll give you promotion and you now will be working with diplomats and ministers and so on.