Sourav Ganguly on Leadership, Team Building, BCCI, Match-Fixing Era & Aggression | FO509 Raj Shamani

32:36I saw my debut in England. I saw in South Africa. Sachin saw in England. Rahul saw in England. Rahul saw in South Africa. VVS Lakshman saw in India. So, those who have been good, they have been hard to same top・s Don't goes watch na, beaht watch ke or Azharuddin ka bana aya, baht bade play dhavaskar ka bana aya, pahla tour west indies gaya ta to itne runs bana aya aya, my jab waapas bhi aya 2006 mein saout afrika mein jake runs bana ke waapas aya to, logo ka na phir ho such bagelta ka ptan ka such bagelta ka team mates ka such bagelta ki, yaar, tough conditions mein jaha peh seem ho riee swing ho riee pace ho riee ho riee

33:30If you are a senior player or a junior, then what are you saying? What turn around? My thought was that when I became captain. And someone was a new player and was a tough tour opening. What would you say? I keep my hand on it and go with it. You will make it. You will make it. It's nature. This is my nature. Why? I don't see people negatively. That's how I am. That's how I am. situations have taught me to be like that the world has taught me to be like that I don't see people's negative that's the way I put it and is it do you get aggressive because you like to win or you don't like to win this way you can win so that's why I won I won I won I won I won but do you play with fear that I won I won

34:53What's the scariest thought? failure zero failure chapter alright when I became captain everyone was watching 100 people at a lot of peopleondrants not be wrong in the world in behrasulations everyone watching so India's name his name hardlyla I have had risk going of wedges states which will be good wedges states which will be good but you what off but Sehwag is from Delhi he played for Delhi so he was a big player for Delhi Sehwag Delhi VVS Hyderabad Rahul Dravid Bangalore Harbhajan from Jalan Harbhajan from Punjab Punjab is a big state Zaheer from Baroda Shrirampur he was born in Shrirampur but he used to play for Baroda Zaheer was Srinath's recommendation he was playing with me with India he told me to see him that's good left arm I saw Najaf Ghar, Shri Rampur Ranchi, Allahabad ability who was telling you about these players?

36:04selectors, colleagues I used to listen to my first class colleagues because they are seeing them everyday then I used to see Navjot Singh Sidhu told me about Bhajjoo that this is a 4-10 spinner I said I would see him So I trusted people. So you would always keep your ears open. Because we were playing outside. It was not possible to see everyone. There were selectors. Everyone was listening to the feed. Then ultimately, finally, I was watching. It was made in the feed. And then what were your instinct? Why did it all different? Matching ability.

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37:15you will get out of it. It will be done. Why? It is a system. If you play with your level, then your game will grow. If you play with your game, then your game will go down. I always understand. And who told you about Zaheer? Shreenaath. Shreenaath was in Baroda and he saw him bowl. And he came up to me and said, look, keep an eye on him. See the net, where he sees India. And Dhoni, for the first 10 days, you didn't accept it. no, something like that situation Kiran Mohri I think he told you and for the first 10 days you were like I'll take it and see and then you didn't take it I had to see him I had to see him, he had to see him when he saw him he was different 10 days you just told that you have to watch before that he was young a young kid a little boy there's one framework I was reading you used to use reverse casting framework that if you play on the 3rd I will play on the same type of player and if you play on the 4rd I will play on the same type of player so reverse you worked if you put good batter positions because if you play on the 3rd then this is the 4th so what was going on in your head how did you play on the slot how did you play on the other batter how did you play ، Look, opener's role is different.

38:43We have been growing up in the test cricket. We were playing with the Raul. We were playing with the 30-20. We were growing up in the test cricket. The situation was different. There was a situation in India. There was conditions like swimming and swimming. There was a situation in India. So, players were looking for who has technique. Who can leave the ball in Austin. Who can play the role in which he can. Rahul Drawer was very good in the test. He was different from one day. when you were a good player, you could play a good player.

39:20You could play a good player. When you were captain, you could give a responsible position. You could do this. You could not survive. If you become head, you could do this. True. true that company has become more than a game. The game was also that the things that have become more than a game. I saw something specific about number three that was not a number one in number three. Technique, new ball playing, ball losing, everything we saw. How is it going forward? How is it going forward? How is it going forward? And what was the most unusual call you took? took asking sokar to open its soccer içeri fille shoot the go ball then i see whatster is

40:21a way to be successful successful to that can14 become successful but he isn't making any more so he gives a close which go to the проблемы part of the game how do you know that I will return get it backgery I could deep and grow in the in the way why to bring it that's a good why say why a good it's purely gut feeling gut feeling gut feeling talent performance you have said identify talent and let them play fearless take the fear out of them how do you perform how do you perform how do you perform how do you perform your talent identify when you talk with that you have a chance to get to play now when you say that you have to play fearless then you have to play fears no how do you instill this that you can see player can see you can tell you tell yourself 7 days, 8 days, 10 days in the net, in the room in the team meetings you get to know how the character is how the character reacts and how the ability you see in the nets and matches you get to meet and you get to get a system and you get to get you get to get you get to get and you get to get and you get to play so let's say I think there is a player who is very talented and he is open for India.

41:54Or he is open for a big position. First match, immense pressure. If he has gone, he will shoot. No, no, no. Fear is that you will get the chance to get the chance. One match will not become a player. And you will put a lot of pressure on someone's side. It was clear script. You will play three tests. will get six points. You will make it. I was like fearlessness. If a 21-year-old player and a captain's fearlessness will be how to transfer it. How do you transfer it? How do you transfer it? You will put your thoughts on it. It's not that it will change the game. But what do you want? You will also have to transfer it.

42:42But how do you transfer it? What do you tell them before their debut? What do you tell them? It doesn't happen before. It's still going on. Daily process. Nets daily, practice daily, gym daily, breakfast daily. That you play like this, you win like this. That's the system. It doesn't happen before. It's not with the match. It's with the balance. So, you should have to balance the balance between good and good. No one has to be a big player. You have to make it, support, give time. dainé padegay hai. To usi saab se cheezay bantti hai. Have you ever had kisi ke debut ya kisi ke bade day se pahle conversation unusual which you remember?

43:24Many. Ivarath Singh Ivarath Singh ka debut tha Australia ke samanen Nairobi mein. Allah ki talent dikta da ho. Mani nuko bola tha ki jake kheil kholke kuch chintah na karna. Jou apni ability hai usko express discuss. Don't be afraid of what will happen. We will have to take it. You go and win. First, I won in Australia. I got an outstanding fielding. I got a couple of run-outs catches. It was a spark. It was a spark. When I played in India, in Australia, I saw that this guy is different. It's different from others. underijing from third and third Saya made it pretty Linked other goalsought and then performance there should be two videos out six two two bad days bad days bad days bad days sad

44:36weeks good days bad days bad Viru sawah banayega to India jitega. Sachin sawah banayega to India jitega. O haarna nahi hai. Yeh mindset thi. Jire, dire, dire, dire. Jitna hai. Dressing room me ek hi mahol hai jitna hai. Harega toh koi problem nahi hai. Lekin jitna hai. O mahol hona chahi. You be said somewhere ki I would die for a captain like that. Sab chhoot tha. And kyunki Pune mein he he was your last captain, right? So how was that dynamic? you be is my family ha I don't get so much because I don't know where I play golf I live in England in Essex I've been playing in Dubai I've been playing in England I've been playing in Dubai I've asked when I do the job I've only played golf so he was like he's my brother he's very close to me so I took him to the side because I saw that that he was the person who was the person.

45:40He was with everyone. He was with the dude. He was with the servant. Did the dynamic change when he was the last captain? No, no, no. Till I was towards the end of my career. And I didn't mind it also. Because I had to play only so much. I had to play so much. I had to play only so much. I said, you do, Jamila. You do small batting. I do. In your time I do small batting. And now it's been roles reversed. No. role reverse you and Emil Dhoni also has a beautiful story that I think MS was your captain and they last test you told me captain three overs what was that story on day 5 mandatory over India was winning he said you don't have captain so I did it for a little while MS Dhoni has a very sharp mind and that's why he's been so successful his presence of mind is very good he's calm he listens he understands he is tremendous so and you know he said that you don't do it I have 5 I have said I don't do it I have shut off my batting will be it last day of test match we will win so I am off I am mentally off mentally retired I am retired from test matches no you don't do it suddenly wake up call 4-5 over and then he said you do it way.

47:03He's the great test match. I was done by then. Day 5, Nagpur. My 113th test, I knew I had retired. The switch was off. Is there a big difference between when you're only player versus captain? Of course. There's no comparison. Tell me one big difference. I've seen three stages. Player, captain, player. to be a pressure? The involvement is different. You can think about the whole world and only just your own. It's an excellent way. You can think that it's selfish. Your own game, your own run. When you become captain, you can make it, you can make it, you can make it, the whole world's response.

47:52You can think that your captain is. When I got West Indies in World Cup, I got 2007 after captain's seal. After losing it, captaincy i used to practice in the morning and west indies is beautiful beaches and this would be practice we had practice and finished one day lunch i used to go to the beach there were fantastic resorts we used to stay so they used to have those canopies and and quiet corners under the tree i used to take my towel my bed sheet my pillow and used to sleep for two hours

48:48you are a lot fresher yeah because you had time for yourself in the captain you are with everyone that's a lot of difference and then many players have a performance down when they become because you get tired unknowingly you get tired dealing with things press conferences media coach players managers selectors everyone has to deal with but that's a different respect true India captain I captain 200 matches so India captain that's a respect feeling one of the things that you do as captain which is a leader that is very hard conversation about replacement that when you choose a player for example, you will do opening and you will throw it and he will throw it in life then a new child comes to go to the opener and tell you from now on, you are out this new player is in they understand if they see both of them they understand so how do you do that hard conversation what do you first say to a person it's not a hard conversation it's an honest conversation now they go and say he's better he's better he's better and he also shows if you take the game and go he'll play he'll perform he'll perform I don't say that I select it.

50:22That the king is good with Rahul. That you have to take it. Because the world is seeing. We cannot stop. That's why it's better to make it better. So you know in your heart that time has been my time? So the heart conversation doesn't matter? No, doesn't matter. Because you must have, you have told many people that you have time. It's not easy. And then you have to tell someone. It's not easy. But it's synch. is the most important thing you love to keep it easy to keep it easy you can keep it easy to keep it everyone is a good one he is a good one he was my hero he was playing so he is a good one he is a good one were you expecting Dibab's side to do it?

51:09400 matches in the past 400 matches it was big 37, 38 he has given so much performance. So, this is inevitable. Gavaskar and Kapal Dev is inevitable. So, you knew. It was inevitable. So, you said that if Dravid would have known, I would know that I would play. But what was that story? I would play. But Dravid told me that all senior players would have to rest. We had a good tour of England. We beat England. drinking. So, he said we won't play. I said I'll play and he said no, no, you go and prepare for one days. In that moment, T20 didn't have much bigger. It was the start of the year. No, no.

51:55And then Dravid also left. He didn't play. He didn't play. Yeah, he didn't play. Sachin didn't play. So, you thought that if he didn't play, then you played. Anil didn't play. Anil wasn't there. Vaju was there. Viru was there. MS led. Do you regret that decision or are you okay with that? Okay. Is there any decision you regret? No. Because you know, everything is, everything is an afterthought. And in sport, afterthought has no place because you have to take a decision. Of course. There's no retake. True. You cannot cut and shoot later. So you have to take it at that moment. That remains. So I never thought after that.

52:38A lot of people told me that in the world's final you should have to batting. I said, what's the use of you? I took a decision in the morning and it was the best decision. You don't have to take it. It's real time. You can't say, stop. I'll stop and stop. I'll tell you a little bit about it. But you think about it? No. I've never thought about it. You've never thought about it once? No. I've never thought about it. The wicket has decided, and asked, if you think about it, you think about it, I'll go ahead and go. In India, when you basically play in those days you look at pitches with spin and when it wasn't you get upset that our home turf is not getting advantage.

53:22But that doesn't mean that you don't play. So, it's a lot of things. Sachin Dindulkar has played so much time. People say that they win the match. I mean, you're a bad guy. They think and say, they don't make a big player in India. So, who can't say to people? People say, you do your job. True. And you I think when was this series Australia when you were off to pitch for the spin and spin I was in July because we didn't play good in Australia so what was it? I was a captain full spy mode because we were going to go and I said I didn't go to the game so I was going to go to July do it vidge on and they work with training yeah where can 7-8 days in the batting.

54:17How to win? What to do? Then, I got to implement it. Then, I got to implement it. Then, when I got to go to Australia, I got to go to Australia. India is in Australia. It's good for everything. It's good for everything. It's good for everything. It's good for everything. I didn't have to do it. It's not. It was just off season. think

55:09i'm skulle . test میں مینشہ تک بنائی پھر ایڈلیڈ میں دوسرا test راہول اور وی ویس نے بنائی ہے پھر تیسرے میں سیواغ نے بنائی ہے چوتھے میں سچین اور وی ویس نے بنائی ہے تو سب نے بنائی ہے کیا تیاری حضابتہ کری تھی تیاری کرنا بہت ضروری کیا دیکھا تو ذہر کیا پرپیر الگ conditions تھے کونسے length پہ ڈالنے field positions کیسے گراؤنڈ کے Australia میں بہت بڑے بڑے گراؤنڈز ہوتے تھے He was going to run by the hands of the players. So players will be ready for the shoulder. They will be able to beat the ball, the slip, the catchers will be able to beat them. Where should they stand or not? Which way should they be successful?

55:53Which way should they be successful? Which way should they be able to beat the baller? Which way should they be able to beat the baller? So these things were prepared for Australia. Nice. yes Afghanistan wild 2004 in India I этихầu who ran over thosenake beginning too. Because Australia i mean it too much golih so Tech.. I reached Memorials, came conformized in Pakistan. And in Pakistan, Our The pounder Were doing it الدman.. Okay.. And Pakistan in Pakistan, what was Wasim Akram's story? That his ball of shine was in the back of India. When you and Dravid were doing it. I was and Azhar were in the back of the game.

56:34I was and Azhar were in the back of the game. I was in Delhi, in the back of the game. In 1999, there was a reverse swing. I didn't understand anything. I didn't understand what was in the back of the game. So I asked Azdu to ask Azdu, I didn't see it. He was taking the ball and hiding. Where from inside? Where from? You know, I've got to know. we people don't know us because I didn go to a non-striker then I script them to tell me, I'll take it because I told them the ball, I'll put it which shades which side the vai I'll put them since I thought that Unter will be found and it worked because he went to in his place then before liked him time to have send me� entendeuffected guys i wanted to deal with when bar nar萌 or he gives me to get him and that

57:38rocket me do meidän whatever I whatever I It can be like this because without knowing which one is inside and which one is inside. We won the test. Nice. After we got a clue. So, Vasim thought about it before 3-4 hours and he didn't know. Then he ran away from behind. He said, Vasim bhai, you can see that you're sitting here and sitting here. So, we went through 3-4 hours and we were set. So, we were right. and then you said somewhere Imran Khan has said something we were in Pakistan 2000 which was the series so they invited me to invite me to the whole team about cricket was very popular in Pakistan so then they talked about they said as you keep flying you see the clouds you fly higher so that was my side whenever dark clouds come you fly higher fly higher that worked really good fearless and when you were in Pakistan you were completely unavailable you were in the bathroom so that the waiter would have to say something good when you play with Pakistan you have to win if you order food in the room service you will order food the waiter will take food you can eat, you can sign a bill, you can say sir, you can win.

59:12So, I avoid it. Why? If you win, you can win, you can say 1000 times. We are playing with winning. So, there is no pressure pressure. It needs to be a clean mind. Because Pakistan, Australia, South Africa, ball to who he is, who he ball niklenga us he ko marna hai, ab koun sa team hai dekke kya fai, run banane hai ball ko marke run banayenge na team ko nah, to bathroom mein jaage ki conversation hi avoid karte hai, ki duka ap khana chod do, mein khana ho gaya to baar ragh do conversation hi shuruat nahi ho thi thi, isko chakka marna hai isko chokka marna hai, woh to mara ball dekke maraenge na, aise aank bant kerke to maraenge nahi and then you avoid, you said in your book you said this that my mom said to me don't do that and she said to you I didn't have a comfort match before because I make a week what is that I was living at home when I was testing at the morning I was scared that I was scared that I was scared that I was scared I was scared I was scared I was going to play breakfast I was ready I was ready I was sitting breakfast I saw you one two days I said now go I have to play and I don't need comfort now go and leave breakfast and I'll eat because I used to all of us it's with all of us I used to be in that zone pressure tension we don't want people around you know I used to play at Eden I used to play and I was on the ground because all of us have been seen 14 years so who has 100 to make dressing room When I was giving a towel, he said, good to play.

1:00:57I said, I know what you're talking about in my face. So, at the end when I started playing, I didn't talk about anything. Because whoever you see is all the best. All the best. I don't need all the best. I will play myself. So I used to avoid all these unnecessary care. I remain tough in the middle. Good wishes make you weak? No, I don't want to listen to you. I don't want too much of interference. Too much of care. It makes you feel difficult. like you are studying in class 10, class 12, you are studying math quothic. You remember the algebra, right? A plus B whole square is what happens. You are sitting in your face, so you are never waiting.

1:01:48I said, go. You don't have to see in the morning. I will come to the evening and meet you. I will get up, get up, shower, shower, get ready, eat a little bit of breakfast and I will leave. I don't want you around here. but how do you get pampering me and being extra caring and everything how do you respond how do you respond they do at the beginning a little bit what will happen I will do like your mother's are he said don't come don't come I'll come from you so then he understood let him be alone let him do his own things I said when I'm away touring I play test matches you're not around I go down have breakfast and go to the ground let that routine go stay you don't pamper me how do you stay away from extra tarif and extra negativity because both full time it's not normal it comes with maturity you have to shut the world outside to perform has it ever affected you it affects everyone give me an incident when I used to play for India there used to be a program called match kamujrim so I used to get back to the hotel your flicking channels suddenly that channel you closed it so you can make it okay so no newspapers never read in the morning but sometimes it's like you've read or seen then you got affected and your performance got affected somebody will tell you that you didn't play and affect it's already affected a human and performance it's different subconsciously give me an example many times especially when you're not playing well people criticize you on newspapers which is quite natural as I said you have to find a way to shut all those it's yours, it's your game, your faith your training, your hard work yeah you've said defend in public and fight in private with your team players right when publicly someone says something and makes them feel then you would defend them right has there been a situation jahan privately you know kya rye galat ho gaya but still defend kaya publicly give me an example

1:04:13but i can't criticize my players in the media have you paid price for it no i've never done it I have never done it. No, I mean, he had to defend someone publicly. I have not paid the price for it. Then he said, actually, your game is not good. But the relationship is so good. So, I understand. Give me one incident. Where you remember that he defended it publicly and then he came alone. When Raoul Rabid was in the middle of the game, pick not picked, so I said to them, I said to them, strike rate is not good. Selectors were told that one day someone else would give me a shot, and I didn't leave it.

1:04:58Because if he left, he would have gone gone. So, he said to them, he would have to play a little bit. And he was such a great player, he adapted. He gave him a different role. He gave him 5 numbers to play India, keeping him. He hated keeping. But quite natural. Why do you need to give him quick keeping? we didn't have a keeper who was batting. Sri Lanka was a voucher, South Africa Australia was a batting. Our batting was finished. So, we made a keeper. Then we made a keeper. KF was also a 7 number. Batting was also a big all-rounder. So, we made a team. We had to put a bowling, such-in, I put a U-V.

1:05:40We had good teams. All-rounders, keeper batsmen, which was not our country, it was Pakistan's point. So he was definitely making a good team. So privately you told him? Yes, many times. That Rahul is going to be doing something or something. He was fighting for me too. What? Why did he fight for him? For so many years, he didn't like anything. So he would give me a call. I would give him a call, but he would be fine. One thing that you hated about him. discussions hote thi anger nahin hotha tha kabhi nahin difference of opinion hotha tha but udar hi khatam hotha sabke saath sayo ne Sachinow Neeru ho yaar pora saal to onke saath hir hathay kricket khehlte tae 14 saal become family 14 saal india khe lihe khehlte ta onke saath hir hathay you end up becoming family it's ek noida me event tha 2019 19th year, where you told me that nobody from Bengal has ever captained team India.

1:06:48So, I had a complex. What complex? Inferiority complex or superiority complex? No, don't be out of place. Explain. That you can't get a small city from a small city. It's not a small city. It's a city where you don't become a big player. when you don't have a game. You can get there. You don't have to do anything that you feel like you are out of place. When I played with Sachin, I thought that I would have to go on my own game. People would say that they would miss match. These are common things in life. I said that if you play with your own good players, with your player then your game also goes up if you play with your player then your game also goes down which is very very important but how did till when you had this complex it's not a complex it was a self-evaluation okay you know sometimes how did it happen like there were some great fast bowlers those days and we used to both open so so Pollock is being put if he is playing if he is playing with other hand you think that you will be playing that he is doing that his game also changed but did you do anything specific that you stopped being that I was from Bengal to now be like India captain.

1:08:34plante. He thought. people in Mu как Li actually came in London and then India would end in Bangladesh the Mongolia. Dubai. клиana. Delhi. Delhi. Hyderabad. It's not something. Baghabad three from from Hyderabad. Ayazole took a meaningful If you feel conservative in India Aoki's dream here was coming. Where difference is. You had a complex.. I only said it enough. Complex had them. Das might have been successful too. in that level all the best at the beginning it was that after it was that it was we have to continue to keep consistent when was after the first test match after run and I have to do and was it inferiority complex I never thought I didn't that you need to be good also but you were good that's why you were in the team.

1:09:32Yeah, but being good and being successful is two different things. There are many who good, who don't adjust to the pressure and not perform. So, they're two different things and it's being about being good for a long period of time. 10-12 years. Which is not easy. People find you out. People look at your weaknesses, bowl there you become better at that place that process has to continue it's a very good thing you have said that being good doesn't necessarily mean that you will no and when you were a team all technically gifted cricketers such in Dravid like everyone you are the best team technically players best talent so talent didn't have a problem still India won't win What do you think was the reason that when you have top players and yet you don't win what would you fix that time?

1:10:32Performance at the right time What do you mean by explain? Like Kef and Yuvraj used to bat at 6 and 7 Me, Rahul, Sachin used to bat at the top So we had a chance to make 100 because we had balls He had come in 40 over 20 over, 45 over But as a leader उसको अप्रिशेट करना है, datष इस बाल में बीस बना है September 20 में 50 बना है and paragごald 80-quesia mayata. 100де - heard PRS आप sina ölे называется

1:11:10when rebast swisena a good کوئی اور ڈال دیتا ہے تو ہمارا analysis اچھا دکھتا ہے تو وہ آ کے death میں ڈالتا ہے جہاں مارنا پڑتا ہے مار بھی کھاتا ہے جیتاتا بھی ابھی کٹ بھی لیتا ہے تو اس کو appreciate کرنا important moments appreciate کرنا game changing moments appreciate کرنا personal milestone appreciate نہیں کرنا appreciate تو کرنا ہی ہے but جو کٹھن سمائے میں زیادہ اچھا کھیلتا ہے اس کا value ہمیشہ زیادہ ہوتا ہے do you think this one thing needs to be fixed that's it yeah appreciating moments which win matches for India. Because it's a team sport. You play for winning. So it wasn't before it was?

1:11:53It was, I don't know. I was a captain. When you started doing this, then you saw change? I saw change. I didn't say that before it was. In 1986, India also won. England won. It's not. In the 83 World Cup, in the 85 Champions Trophy won. But then it went down. performance 86 so my opinion as a captain that all the things are important to be that team make a big moment make a pressure make a make a make a make a make a make a follow on is Dravid and Lakshman make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a make a 64-4 I made 200 so it's different one more trick you said that you learned much later in your life Desmond Haynes in England Desmond Discourses book mail chapter he was a big player so I asked him Desmond Discourses Desmond Haynes Desmond Haynes Discourses chapter I don't know I didn't remember.

1:13:08I asked him if he was successful. He said, I took talent. Without talent, you will not reach your level. You will have confidence. If you have confidence, you will win. He said, I have confidence. I have confidence. When I was self-doubt, I would be out. out. That trigger in your mind between self-doubt and confidence. You have to keep bringing it back. He said 7 out of 10 times successful outcomes is result of positive visualization. And 8 out of 10 is If you keep thinking that Pollock's going to get me out, he'll get you out. You have to train your mind that no, no. I can't do it. and it works it works like magic if you keep thinking Shane Vaughan's ball you can't get back to the bat he won't get back to the bat and the second line was 8 out of 10 8 out of 10 failure happen when you surrender mentally give me one example what visualize you for winning I'm going just like NatWestum we lost it we lost it we lost it we lost it we lost it slowly slowly performance UV have played faith came back so when we get we lost it we lost it in life we lost it we lost it something we lost it we lost it we lost it but what do you visualize scoreboard play what is your process of visualization just the positive like what ball are youinea an meri 160 goal goals goals goal goal goal goal goal goal goal goal goal

1:15:27One One You have to play with your own hands. You say, little, little. And before you play it. Her match. Her inning, her match, her level play. You have to. You think out of it. So, you never think out of it. It happens. You overcome. When the form is bad, you think out of it. But then you train yourself. You have to cover it. You have to play it. You have to play it. And then you practice and get better. It's a process. There are two types of visualization which I've read about. One is, Michael Jordan does. Michael Jordan which you have told that all of them are positive. He said, first of all, he was in the mind.

1:16:07He was in the mind. He was in the mind. He was in the mind. He was in the mind. When he was in the world cup final penalty he was in the time. Four years ago he was in the world cup he was in the bar push he was in the middle. He was in Argentina and he was in the middle. He was so sad that he retired that he was that he was not he came back. He came back. Four years later, that ball was there. If he thought, then he would go back. So you think positively. 100%. But then there's another way of visualization, which Napoleon did, which was that before every war, before every battle, before the morning, before the morning, he saw himself 1 hour to 1 hour.

1:16:50He saw how many ways I can die, I can die. He saw all the time. He was scared. that's going to be prepared. So that it will be prepared that I can't beat someone. Because these are 15 ways in which I will die today. That's why I'm prepared. It can be. That preparation is also going to be in the team. When you think about the other people, where will I be out? Or where will I be out? That's the other way of doing it. Do you do both? Sometimes, yes. What works in your favor more? Positivity. Doing it rather than not doing it. What are you visualizing next now? Next venture, next business. I do a whole lot of things, you know.

1:17:30I do a whole lot of things. Actually, I do too many things. I'm getting to a stage to reduce it. It's also a life. But you do a lot. You're like almost involved in, I think, 45 brands now. Yeah. I do TV. I do endorsements. I'm involved with Delhi. I'm president of CAV. We're building steel plants. So, sometimes it's going to be a lot. you do everything what specific venture you excited about now cricket always always and I was in South Africa for Pretoria Capitals head coach for the first time and we did very good lost in the final though but final reached the last two years qualified this year final reached the final hopefully I get a chance to work with Delhi at some stage and see if we can turn it around no biopic are you excited that's happening and then I forgot that's happening so we were in a shoot one or two days now we have a shooting so I can get it excited yes are you excited my problem is the work I get I see myself I don't want to leave on anyone's side I see a lot always involved always are you liking how the biopic is coming yeah it's just started it's just started you like Rajkumar yes yes he's a very good actor he's a very good actor happy about it very good what is something that you really want in biopic that this moment should capture

1:19:07India's journey from

1:19:14India's journey during my period that is important it's a team game basically let's let's change gears which is a little serious conversation 2nd January 2021 you had a blackout in your treadmill no no no I just had a block I wondered have you started living your life differently after that no I live I work as much much as I work is not money for me anymore work is work is being

1:19:52valuable I don't need money anymore at what point do you start thinking that you don't need money it will come slowly there's no particular point no number no number it comes to you after a while it is value you're still good you can create difference because all my all us our whole life was made 100 so you're always creating a difference so after a while money is not that and but as an athlete you always want to win so what are you winning like what do you optimize to win now everything I do like DC I want to win I'll be hosting the big boss from July Oh nice Bengali I've been on television for 10 years My show Dadagiri is the number one show Nice So I'm hosting Big Boss from from Star from July Way to make it successful So you always think about numbers metrics is always there Keep value and if you want to win you want to win that create that Be successful in whatever you do That is important I want to quote something that you have said it in your book very interesting thing you said that I am reading exact line because I want to change the meaning exact line I don't shed tears I did not even cry at my father's death you cannot cry you cannot come to me you cannot do it it doesn't happen you have time

1:21:41when was the last time you cried and my father died slowly after he died he died you did all the rituals you know obviously his body got restored rituals gatherings when he came to the house he didn't see a chair he used to sit he used to walk around in the house

1:22:16you start missing him you said you are understanding what I am trying to say it sets with you slowly he is gone we will not see we will not see my mother is old I spent time with her has that incident changed your relationship with mother no no like maybe just you have started giving more time

1:22:45that that happens with time as you see them growing old you start spending time when you were young she was young as you she's 80 now as she gets to it i sit with her in the morning i say i go and spend time with her in the night listen to her not that she's always saying the right thing because you start worrying too much you don't do it that's not happening why are you doing this why are you you live with it I'll go there I'll see I'll do it I'll do it it's unreasonable you'll do it so you go through these phases if I'm coming home late every day you're late sometimes feel I'm 50 years old but still you say no no okay I'll be in time tomorrow I'll go there what do you miss the most about your father his presence his presence because they are part of your life what you miss is presence you know he gave us a lot of both of them he gave us a lot of he couldn't be there with you when you became BC's High President but he was there with me when I became India Captain that's not a big question India Captain's but what do you think he would have missed

1:24:12watching you or with you i think he's gone satisfied

1:24:18basically president jab bana kisi ko nai pata tha ki banega

1:24:25to he would have gone satisfied and captained india played for india he died when i finished playing. Captain every possible cricket team in the world. State, India, World XI, Asia XI, IPL. Every possible cricket team. And he was obsessed with cricket. Just like any dad. Rahul's dad, Sachin's dad, Yuvraj's dad, they're obsessed with this sport. You see the current players' dads, they're always on the ground. So he must have gone happy with my playing career. Do you think he would have loved the presidency as well? Of course. Of course. He was involved in administration. I became CEB president in 2015.

1:25:14He died by then. Then became BCCI president in 2019. Of course he would have. It's an entire journey. Entire journey. He would have loved it. He would have loved it. because the best part of his second half of his life went watching me playing for it and I'm sure he must have loved it and and was he as obsessed as all other fathers like was he tough on you oh yeah yeah yeah full tough absolutely obsessed all parents are the same whatever you do tell me the toughest thing is the brutal thing you know when I used to play when I used to Just early days of playing for India or even before India. He hated me sleeping late.

1:26:03His idea was get up 6, training, practice. Your day should start at 6. So he used to enter my room and switch off my fans. If I'm sleeping, he used to get up early. Wake up, come to my room, switch my fans off. So that I'm up and get up, get up, go, go, train. And I used to hate it. But he would do it. Some were very harsh. Many times. You have been killed? In the small. No, like this. Mom and dad both. Not for cricket. Various reasons. Late, didn't eat food, didn't get out of school, didn't go to school, didn't go to teacher. Normal life. normal normal mom and dad and son relationship yeah okay here's my last question which is on the same part you said ki hum log we look tough from the inside but we bleed we look tough on the outside but we bleed inside absolutely it's quite natural we are humans so kya aap dikhate ho jaant puch ki ki aap tough ho bahar se and inside you bleed give me one situation when he when you don't score runs you don't show it to the world and what's inside inside insecurity lack of confidence how to make it tomorrow it's inside what's happening today what's the biggest insecurity today's stakes it's not high today's retake today's life a little peace but today what would be your biggest fear or insecurity not being valuable in whatever you do because all your life it was that you think people will stop respecting you that if you stop being valuable have you ever felt that the amount of respect I get is unbelievable unbelievable the love and affection I get I don't think it can be anything more but with love and affection comes anger if you do something which they don't like they don't stop telling you but that's part of life that's part of everything that's part of being in public life otherwise sit in the house no one can say anything it's not a little bit it's with everyone but you don't you don't try to work hard and be valuable because you think that this is the only thing which will get me the respect or continue getting me respect give me a job I'll give my best that's why there's no reason that's why I don't take if I'm not giving my best so it's a mixture of both I get that if you have done so much you have to do it if you don't do it if you don't think that you don't do it it's good do it but I think why do you think now what do you need to do it now everything is done only 50 only 52 we will do it we will do it nice nice we will i hope you keep doing more and more things thank you and if there's anything i can do please let me know it will be my honor thank you thanks for thanks for this and your podcast is so popular you're only 29 and wish you all the very best i'm trying i'm still not the captain of india but thank you is there any advice you want to give me don't have cobras on your neck

1:29:41not a good thing otherwise you are very good at what you do thank you thank you so much so good to see you pleasure seeing you sir how are you what time does it take depends on what time it ends next day we will draft it thank you

1:30:07thank you

1:30:11It's an honour. Thank you for doing this. It's really an honour. Thank you. And it's amazing because I remember my first cricketing memory of my life was watching you guys play. Because I was very small. So you've given us really good memories. I don't even know if before that Indian cricket was what happened. So that was something really smart.

1:31:03And number three, this episode must be shared with someone else because one conversation is enough for changing someone's life. I'll see you next time. Until then, keep figuring out.