Suniel Shetty on Bollywood’s Reality, Father’s Death, Career & Value of a Home | FO477 Raj Shamani

28 Feb 2026 · 1 h 34 min · 39 chapters

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Podcast Episode Notes: Suniel Shetty on Bollywood’s Reality, Father’s Death, Career & Value of a Home | FO477 Raj Shamani

Episode Overview In this episode of Raj Shamani's Figuring Out podcast, Suniel Shetty, a prominent Bollywood actor, entrepreneur, and grandfather, shares an insightful and candid conversation about his life experiences, career challenges, familial relationships, and the significance of home ownership. The discussion delves into personal loss, the evolution of his public image, and his thoughts on the Indian film industry.

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Key Themes

  1. Personal Background and Community
  2. Strength in Community: Suniel emphasizes how his community provided support, especially during their early struggles in Mumbai.
  3. Cultural Identity: He reflects on the South Indian heritage and how it shaped his values and approach to life.
  1. Dealing with Loss
  2. Father’s Death: Suniel discusses the profound impact of his father's death, expressing feelings of numbness and an ongoing connection through prayer.
  3. Parental Bonds: He shares his regrets about not being more physically affectionate with his father and the importance of expressing love.
  1. Career Reflections
  2. Career Challenges: Suniel speaks about the ups and downs of his film career, including periods of failure and the evolving landscape of the Bollywood industry.
  3. Evolution of Image: He discusses transitioning from a "macho" image to taking on more family-oriented roles, demonstrating a commitment to diversifying his filmography.
  1. The Value of Home
  2. Owning vs. Renting: Suniel advocates for home ownership, viewing it as a critical foundation for stability and emotional well-being.
  3. Personal Investment in Real Estate: He shares insights on his real estate investments, emphasizing the importance of location, community, and personal comfort.
  1. Fatherhood and Family
  2. Parenting Philosophy: Suniel expresses his fears and struggles when it comes to parenting, particularly with his children facing challenges in the industry.
  3. Legacy and Values: He hopes his children view him as a fair and honest man, and he stresses the importance of education and continuous growth.
  1. Industry Dynamics
  2. Critique of Bollywood's Business Model: Suniel comments on the industry's reliance on marketing and external factors for a film's success, rather than just the quality of content.
  3. Contemporary Success: He acknowledges the success of actors over 55, attributing it to their experience and continuous ability to connect with audiences.

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Key Takeaways

  • Vicarious Suffering: Suniel discusses the psychological impact of watching his children face challenges, reflecting on the heightened emotional burden for parents.
  • The Importance of Family: He emphasizes how family dynamics rooted in trust and love are essential for personal happiness and stability.
  • Resilience in Career: Despite setbacks, Suniel maintains a positive outlook and believes in the cyclical nature of success in the film industry.
  • Emotional Investments in Real Estate: His perspective on home ownership as a blend of emotional and financial investment reflects a deeper cultural connection to family and heritage.

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Notable Quotes

  • "Buying a house is better than renting."
  • "Every trait in me is because of him (his father)."
  • "Fatherhood is my weakest point; I can never handle my children's issues."

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Conclusion Suniel Shetty's insights in this episode provide a deep understanding of his personal and professional journey, underscoring themes of family, loss, and resilience. His experiences reflect broader societal values and the evolving nature of success in Bollywood, making this conversation a rich source of inspiration for listeners aiming to navigate their own life challenges.

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Transitioning from Macho Roles

0:46 to 2:14

Suniel Shetty discusses his evolution in the film industry and changing roles.

“Film failures, of course, it hurts you because there's a lot of effort that goes into it.”

Dealing with Loss and Grief

2:15 to 4:15

Shetty shares his emotional struggles when dealing with the death of his father.

“death was a thought that kept coming into my mind every single night.”

Community Support and Responsibility

4:29 to 7:40

Shetty reflects on the support system within his community and personal responsibilities.

“And this is completely out of what I've observed.”

Father-Son Relationships

7:41 to 14:01

Suniel Shetty opens up about his relationship with his father and his role as a father.

“You know, if it's Ahan or Athiya or Rahul or them going through any issues is something that breaks me.”

Seeking Father's Approval

14:01 to 16:50

Exploration of the speaker's relationship with his father and the need for approval.

“on your shoulder you need to cry on his shoulder after after a certain age and stuff like that who respect it's out of respect that it doesn't happen sometimes like Papa's approval when he was growing?”

Complications in Love and Marriage

16:51 to 22:48

Discussion on the challenges faced in marriage due to family expectations and cultural norms.

“A girl, tough for her because her parents had accepted me.”

The Impact of Appreciation

22:49 to 26:02

The importance of expressing appreciation and its effect on relationships with parents.

“And a bad trait is in today's time, doesn't work.”

Lessons on Wealth and Education

26:03 to 28:00

Insights on financial philosophy, education, and the value of experiences over possessions.

“I said, dad, they said the American school is a damn good school.”

Living Life with Purpose

28:00 to 29:10

Suniel Shetty shares his approach to life and financial priorities.

“music class, do everything that you can educate them with and give them that extra to be able to do things.”

Investing in Real Estate

29:10 to 30:49

Exploring the importance of real estate investments for security.

“It's about protecting yourself from the outside world so that it's the right environment.”
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Creating a Home for Family

30:49 to 32:50

Suniel discusses his vision for a nurturing home for his family.

“I mean, that's what I tell Ahan and Atiyah also, don't buy a property because you want to show something to someone or prove something to someone.”

Embracing Sports for Health

32:50 to 34:26

The significance of sports and physical activity in Suniel's life.

Sustainable Living Practices

34:26 to 36:32

Discussing environmental consciousness and sustainable practices.

“But racket sports, I also play squash, TT, all of this.”

Overcoming Self-Doubt in Acting

36:32 to 38:46

Suniel reflects on his challenges and growth in the film industry.

“Today, the water level is probably pouring out from everywhere else.”

Learning and Adapting in Film

38:46 to 42:00

The journey of learning the craft of acting through challenges.

“You are good with me I'll be very, very warm.”

Learning the Craft of Acting

42:00 to 43:50

Suniel Shetty discusses his journey of mastering acting through challenging stunts and crafting his performance.

“and I thought I said yeah acting is not coming in action I had done anything about action So I need to learn.”

The Evolution of Indian Cinema

43:50 to 45:30

Shetty reflects on the growth and global reach of Indian cinema across various languages and genres.

Understanding Success and Failure

45:30 to 47:10

The conversation shifts to the dynamics of box office success and the impact of marketing on film performances.

“Today, if you have a share, then the film was buying ticket.”

The Changing Landscape of Film Distribution

47:10 to 48:50

Shetty explains how film distribution has changed and its effect on the success of movies in today’s market.

“you know it came into the radar of the multiplexes and action films not working and action distribution see today it is success and failure is not necessarily to do with the quality of films.”

Exploring the Business of Movies

48:50 to 50:30

A discussion on the commercial aspects of filmmaking and how financial analysis influences creative decisions.

Personal Reflections on Career Decisions

50:30 to 52:10

Shetty shares personal insights on his career choices and his commitment to maintaining his artistic integrity.

“Box office there was no there was no real calculation to it so that's why a lot of us did a lot of work and we continued to do work.”

The Impact of Fame and Legacy

52:10 to 53:50

The conversation touches on the profound impact of celebrity status and the legacy one leaves behind in the film industry.

“There's so much more that one can contribute to.”

The Importance of Love in Bollywood

56:00 to 57:24

Explore how love drives the Bollywood industry and personal connections.

“loved by everybody you know When love takes over, you might make a lot of mistakes.”

Reflections on Contemporary Actors

57:24 to 58:38

Suniel discusses his contemporaries and their enduring success.

“looking good they're still doing great work maybe one day even I'll do it and I continue to do it.”

Shah Rukh Khan's Stardom Explained

58:38 to 1:01:14

Analyze the factors contributing to Shah Rukh Khan's massive stardom.

“A world that is about respect at the box office.”

Misconceptions about Business Success

1:01:14 to 1:03:28

Suniel dispels myths about his business ventures and experiences.

“and I have got 20 businesses running and that probably among the richest actors in the industry.”

The Emotional Value of Home Ownership

1:03:28 to 1:05:22

Discussing the emotional aspects of owning a home versus renting.

“or like the smartness side In businesses, yes.”

Roots and Contributions to Society

1:05:22 to 1:10:01

Suniel shares the significance of roots and societal contributions.

“for Mangalow and my parents hadn't owned that home, where would my roots be?”

Navigating Family Connections and Real Estate Decisions

1:10:01 to 1:10:42

Suniel Shetty shares his experience of prioritizing family while making significant real estate investments.

“their privacy now because I had a family and didn't want to because others they're always compromising.”

The Financial Risks of Home Ownership

1:10:43 to 1:11:58

Suniel discusses the financial implications of buying a home beyond one's means and the eventual benefits it brought.

“But I knew because of my dad's and my goodwill and banking that we used to do.”

Work-Life Balance and Personal Needs

1:11:59 to 1:14:34

He talks about the importance of balancing work commitments with family time and personal needs.

“No, I don't have to do your money with your money.”

Belief in Self and Career Evolution

1:14:35 to 1:17:48

Suniel reflects on his career journey, the importance of self-belief, and continuous innovation.

“For me, it was sale for an 18-year-old boy.”

The Evolution of Image and Film Choices

1:17:49 to 1:20:47

He discusses how his film choices and public image evolved over time, reflecting a shift from action to family-oriented roles.

Challenges Faced by Ahan in the Film Industry

1:20:48 to 1:24:00

Suniel shares insights about his son Ahan's struggles and successes in the film industry during a tough period.

“So, to show yourself, you have to get a paper.”

Struggles in Bollywood Post-Pandemic

1:24:00 to 1:25:09

Explore the challenges faced by Ahan during a tough period in Bollywood.

“But because the period was so tough, nobody could do anything.”

A Father's Perspective on Success

1:25:10 to 1:26:46

Suniel discusses his hopes and worries for his son Ahan's career.

“I told you, I mean, without knowing that we would end up coming here, that's the way I am.”

The Concept of Vicarious Suffering

1:26:47 to 1:27:30

Discussing the psychological phenomenon of vicarious suffering in parenting.

Building Trust and Overcoming Hurt

1:27:31 to 1:29:04

Suniel shares his experiences with trust and healing from past hurts.

“And as long as they don't get hurt and carry that with them, I've learned to start slowly dropping that side of me.”

Navigating Challenges in Relationships

1:29:05 to 1:31:04

Reflections on the importance of communication and fairness in relationships.

“I mean, first I knew when I got hurt, I carried it for X amount of period.”
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0:00In early years, you were looked at and perceived as little like macho gunda.

0:10Raj Shamani:Why would you realize that I would change the gunda?

0:13Suniel Shetty:A gunda is a father, everything changes. I wasn't a gunda, but I would take on anything. And the whole appearance, a body, long hair. I said I need to change the kind of films I do. And that's when I started taking risk of doing the Pihututus and the Hera Fairies films like Gopi Kishan and all the other films which are more family, more fun loving. Are you comfortable with losses? I play on the horse. And financial loss, I don't even bother about. No anxiety, no stress, no tension, no nothing. Film failures, of course, it hurts you because there's a lot of effort that goes into it. But I've now learned to...

0:52Raj Shamani:But then there was a big period as well. I think 10-year period, there's no success.

0:56Suniel Shetty:I think after 2010, success and failure is not necessarily to do with the quality of films, to do with the marketing, to do with the sales. Who will get the theatre? If there are good ideas, what will happen if the theatre will do? Today, Border and Durang are running simultaneously. Other films will not get a chance to stick their neck out.

1:20Raj Shamani:In your friend circles, do you feel like this guy was the smartest? Maybe he made the smartest moves.

1:25Suniel Shetty:I'd say Akshay, Ajay, done brilliantly well. You know, created a world for themselves. And they continue to do it. If you see the actors who are delivering blockbusters, all 55 plus. I'm talking about consistency. 100 plus films here. And continue to give blockbusters. Sunny. Just look at that. Interesting. What's the weakest you have been ever? I guess as a father, anytime anything with the kids, I can never handle it. If it's Ahan or Athiya or Rahul, them going through any issues is something that breaks me. What's the weakest thought you have had? The only thing I prayed for was, God take me before you take my parents.

2:13Suniel Shetty:I didn't want to lose anybody in life. death was a thought that kept coming into my mind every single night.

2:22Raj Shamani:So what were you feeling when Dad passed away?

2:25Suniel Shetty:Absolutely numb, anxiety and knowing that I was going to lose him. But still think of him every single day. My day begins praying to him and ends with praying to him. What's one thing wish you would have told your dad? That…

2:46Raj Shamani:For many people to buy home is the biggest dream of their life But in real estate complexities, people are confused by the right decision And this is why they are the lifetime savings to exhaust them And when you talk about crores of investment, the biggest question is Is it which we will do? This trust gap is the way to bridge the world Birla Estates, which Aditya Birla Group's real estate is a real estate initiative started called Real Advice, which helps you to understand the world of real estate by bringing experts and real experiences on a single platform, so that you can take safe and better informed decisions.

3:30Raj Shamani:And we are doing a special series with them, in which we will talk about how you can take best decisions for your home. And this is the second episode of Real Advice series. Now we are talking about guest today. a such superstar who has entertained us for decades Sunil Shetty We will know about how his weakest point is being a father and being unable to handle his children's issues with the taunt of idli almost 140 films and how his career was passing when his career was passing real estate investments and home buying strategies helped him helped them. Please watch this episode until the end. And to know more about Birla Estates Real Advice Initiative, click the link in the description.

4:25You know,

4:26Raj Shamani:I had a question for you. And this is completely out of what I've observed. That you have a lot of protector role in your on-screen, off-screen. It's always like I got it it's very you know I'm the big brother and I'll protect you and you have that vibe a lot

4:49Suniel Shetty:right

4:50Raj Shamani:who did you protect in life? I think

4:54Suniel Shetty:my community did you know before of course it's from the beginning but my community

5:06Raj Shamani:went through

5:06Suniel Shetty:a lot when we first came in you know this whole thing about go back to your villages you don't belong here so there was a lot of issues till they understood us also you know if you see we were the only food supply chain to get food at the right price even today it's only the south indian restaurants that will give you food at the right price hygienic to a level that even the top guns cannot compare i mean now the american brands have come and say we are fast food we were super fast food now order do here and here and at a price which is most affordable you have made 99 we were always under 99 so when we went through that each family supported the other every person who came from Tulumad everybody who came from Karnatak were people who were saying his restaurant is my restaurant there's a problem there all the restaurants would shut and the boys would go in there so we were there for each other and the the cheat fund system that worked that didn't have money 10 of them would get together and say okay we put in so much money every month and whoever needs it you get a chance if it's 10 once you pick it up and as per the need of the hour they used to pick up money zero interest it was cheat fund It was balanced.

6:37Suniel Shetty:At the end of it, you all got your money. No banks, no institutions. So all these things, they are the protectors. So if you see finance, the biggest of the financial hub of India is Mangalur. You know, you talk about any bank and you'd say, oh, that's the birthplace of banking. What did they do? They supported each other. If somebody came, they gave them jobs. They gave them, because everybody was educated. So bankers were 90 % were South Indians. And even that continues even today. Education, education is free. Why does it happen when you support each other? So I'd always say it's my community that has given me that.

7:23Suniel Shetty:And it's not me, you know. You see any shetty boy and he'll have this big brother feel about him. you know this feel of you know I've got somebody covering my back

7:36Raj Shamani:because the community takes care of everything community strong community strong father your traits are very strong right her cheese over the years

7:46Suniel Shetty:look at it look at it what I always say look at it environment and family environment

7:50Raj Shamani:yeah yeah yeah what's the weakest you have been ever I guess

7:55Suniel Shetty:as a father you know anytime anything with the kids I could never handle it. You know, if it's Ahan or Athiya or Rahul or them going through any issues is something that breaks me. Then Mana is stronger. She's much stronger. I mean, even if Ahan fell and there was a bruise on his head, I think I would collapse before him. You know, you're physically strong for yourself and you're there for everybody but when these matters I can't handle it. I can never handle it. Never. To this date, dad unwell, mom unwell, I can't handle it. I'm very weak there. Tell me the weakest thought you've had. Something that I've always prayed for.

8:49Suniel Shetty:And for years together, the only thing I prayed for was, God take me before you take my parents. I didn't want to lose anybody in life. And death was a thought that kept coming into my mind every single night. I don't want to lose anybody. I don't want to lose anybody. I don't want to lose anybody. And because it's family, family, you know, that's why I keep feeling joint families are families that Indians should always be a part of. Because there was no anxiety. There was no depression. There was no stress. Everything was managed. Everything else I would recover from. I've never been scared about anything, threats, underworld.

9:39Suniel Shetty:Everything that happened to me, failure, Friday flops, financial issues, nothing. I never worried. To date, I never worry about all that. But health and personal things matter a lot to me. As parents started aging, that fear of you have to lose someone sometime. Dad was unwell for a long time, four years. It was very unfair of me. It was very selfish on my behalf, the family's behalf, that I didn't want him to go. Though he didn't have the quality of life he would want to live. But you don't want to let go. So I don't think I've let go of him even now. It's been eight years, nine years, but his thought brings a tear in my eye.

10:33Suniel Shetty:So all that continues. There I'm very weak, very weak. What happened when you lost him? Just got the feeling that that home, that shelter, that protector is gone. And suddenly you're the one who has to take all the responsibilities. I always was. but the responsibility of health and well-being of the people is something that I could never control. Fortunately, like I say, mana is very strong there. We call her the doctor of the house and that's literally how it is. If Tia has fever, Ahan has fever, I don't know how to handle it. I don't know what is in me. Maybe that whole feeling of, you know, me praying all my life for all these things was fear.

11:24Suniel Shetty:but if I saw oh aaj idhar se jump karna hai ar paanchway male se jump karna bakse lagay chal chal chal laga laga laga laga excited to go

11:34Raj Shamani:if I have to do a stunt excited to do it barna nahin

11:39Suniel Shetty:barna nahin doosra stunt karra I've never seen a stuntman do a stunt I've never seen my body double which is very rare or somebody else do a stunt and I've watched the stunt I've always come I've turned my back walked out and you can ask anybody that in my 35 years of my career I've never seen a stunt happening once it's done I turn around and say everything is okay and I'm trembling but if I'm doing it there's no problem so there's inherently some kind of weakness I don't know what I put it down to but you know

12:17Raj Shamani:so around family the fear yeah what were you feeling when dad passed away at that moment

12:27Suniel Shetty:absolutely numb anxiety and knowing that I was going to lose him I was ready I have accepted it but still think of him every single day my day begins with praying for him and praying to him and ends with praying to him you know every day every day every single day every single day you miss him

13:02Raj Shamani:today yeah what do you talk to do you talk to him I mean

13:08Suniel Shetty:you know the thing is I'm also get the feeling that we did everything the sisters mom me my wife my children did everything to keep him alive but he couldn't speak so did we push him extra so sometimes that is also it's good for you but was it good for him you know and I was never physical with him while growing up I worshipped him that's why I always say every father and son needs to physically I'm very physical with Ahan even today with Rahul very physical father and son need to to hug to touch to talk to understand to cry he needs to cry on your shoulder you need to cry on his shoulder

14:05Raj Shamani:after

14:09after

14:11Suniel Shetty:a certain age and stuff like that who respect it's out of respect that it doesn't happen

14:17Raj Shamani:sometimes like Papa's approval when he was growing? Always. Always seeking his approval.

14:25Suniel Shetty:Yeah, always seeking his approval. Always asking mom what he thought. And you know, typical father won't praise you in front of you but behind your back and then mom has to explain. See, you are not there and he said this, he said this. Were you scared that you would be disappointed, Papa? Always. Always. No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I think I was a very, very disciplined son, a very obedient son. And that's why whether it was martial arts or not, no drinking, no smoking, trying to be that perfect child was to please him. You know, was to please him. Always.

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15:11Raj Shamani:There were but complications when you were married. Yeah, yeah.

15:16Suniel Shetty:Yeah, because they didn't want anything outside of the family. They didn't want me to marry someone outside of the family. And because they believe different cultures, she won't fit in. But it was he who, when Mana came to drop me, and he came to drop me at the airport for my first film, and I was going for 60 days. And Mana came to drop me, and dad, I never expected dad to come to drop me. He says, I'm coming to the airport to drop you. All the best to you. And I had already committed to Maanaki. Yeah, you come with me. And then she said, okay, I'll go to the airport. I know what to do. I said, okay.

15:57Suniel Shetty:And then he met me, saw me. I went, saw her. And then he saw her and he left. He went and spoke to her, took her home.

16:07Suniel Shetty:And that was the day. And I think 60 days after that, she had to go home and spend time with him every day. So somewhere, it's the father who understands.

16:22Raj Shamani:But did you face complication in the beginning? I was reading that for nine years, I wasn't ready for your love for a year. For nine years. For nine years? For nine years?

16:32Suniel Shetty:No. They said, you won't be happy, she won't be happy. We never discussed it. They said no. But I was very clear about one thing, that you want me to marry someone else, it's not going to be possible. Because I don't want to destroy two lives. or three lives, including my own. So let's not get into that. I won't get married. And for me, it was still okay. Guys saying I won't get married. A girl, tough for her because her parents had accepted me. Her mother and me were a house on fire. I learned so much in life from that lady. The art of giving is the art of living and CSR and public and working with people she's the one who taught me everything

17:20Raj Shamani:so how did you decide at that age 91 you got married so 91 before 9 years

17:29Suniel Shetty:9 years

17:30Raj Shamani:in that era it's a big taboo and finally India was also going through that phase that you're not protected

17:41Suniel Shetty:that was a very different time than today

17:43Raj Shamani:yeah yeah very very different very different to marry someone who's not from your religion from your family from your area I don't know

17:53Suniel Shetty:I think time time is the biggest healer and time so my parents saw the fact that they knew their son that he would be sincere they didn't know whether it would last without but when they realized that a girl has given up everything for their son

18:16Raj Shamani:what better partner could they look for but what made you choose that I don't believe the family I'm a family person that I'll be okay to not get family's approval and still choose love of my life

18:31Suniel Shetty:but I wasn't doing anything wrong to them either I said I won't get married fine we won't get married both of us won't get married so we're not hurting you at all Let me be the way I am. And that's because I believed in her completely. And she was only giving. And even today, she's only about giving. You know, I don't bother about anything in the house. But the littlest of things to do with me, right from whether my nails have been cut or no, or my toothpaste is over or no, or my brush needs a change, she's aware of. It's unbelievable. It's insane. and she was like that that time also and not only me whether it's Ahan whether it's Atia whether it's my mom whether it was dad she was a house on fire I think when he passed she was a daughter I was a son-in-law probably you know everything for him in those four years was I need to got a headache she would give him something and he'd do this.

19:38Suniel Shetty:And she was the magic wand. Even if she gave him a mint and said it's for your headache, his headache would be okay. You know, it was such, such an unbelievable relationship. I can't even tell you.

19:54Raj Shamani:And what changed after nine years? What changed? What was the moment?

19:58Suniel Shetty:I think those 60 days of them spending time with each other. And she, even today is like a child and even then was like a child she's very expressive we come from a family that is very don't express physical is not something that we did she's someone who's very physical so i think she got physical with dad got physical with mom and that chirpiness, that energy of hers, spontaneously responding to everything, appreciating everything. I think probably he also hadn't seen, you know, that he had put in such hard work working from the age of nine. How many of us must have appreciated him physically or personally told him that, Dad, this is what you've done.

20:53Suniel Shetty:Unbelievable. Today I keep talking about my dad, but I never did it when probably he was going through his worst periods. I never realized. I mean, children don't realize the sacrifice that they do. And now I realize, you know what, he had three restaurants. But the minute we were born, he gave away two and took care of only one. Why did he do that? Because he wanted to have lunch with us. Because he wanted to have breakfast with us. He wanted that Wednesday holiday with us. He wanted to come back home by 6 o 'clock, 7 o 'clock and spend dinner time with us. Mom would be teaching us. He would be sitting there and saying, study, study, because he wouldn't know.

21:37Suniel Shetty:And mom was at it. So he would want to watch that. He would want to watch TV. He would want to convert the dining table into a table tennis table and play with us. We never appreciated it. She brought about appreciation.

21:52Raj Shamani:what's one thing you wish you would have told your dad

21:55Suniel Shetty:that that I am who I am is only because of you every trait in me is because of him every trait everything that is good about me is because of him everything that is real about me is because of my birthplace and where I come from you know

22:20Raj Shamani:you never told him this

22:21Suniel Shetty:No, I never told him this. Of course, the last three, four years were magical together. I mean, probably then I did tell him, tell him everything physical with him, would be kissing him and holding him all the time. But I wish he could reciprocate in the same way, you know, being all there.

22:42Raj Shamani:You said that all the traits are all right. Tell me one trait which is good and one bad.

22:51Suniel Shetty:A good trait is blind faith. And a bad trait is in today's time, doesn't work.

22:56Raj Shamani:You get hurt.

22:58Suniel Shetty:You get hurt a hell of a lot. You know, and... Every person has blind faith. Yes, every person. But today I'm just saying, Trust, forward. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my only... Documents don't work for me. Trust works for me. Handshakes work for me. The other, the other. It's that kind of thing. And I've lost a hell of a lot. But mom always says that's what he was made for. This is his CSR. let him do what he does you know and so when you get an approval from from the mother itself then that's that becomes your being you want to be that way you know and that's mom that's mom

23:34Raj Shamani:tell me one betrayal you've had because you trusted somebody oh

23:39Suniel Shetty:oh hell of a lot yeah so much so many times business wise friends childhood friends whom you don't I mean without paperwork without anything I've done everything from them and then realized that you're not a part of the deal itself you know so these are the things because you're focused as an actor trying to build a career in a world that is so damn tough that you don't understand next Friday what happens next Friday picture hits and people say that I'm not a kid acting I'm not a kid I'm not a kid you should go back to selling idlis you know at a time you're focused I need to prove myself so you depend on someone else to do a hell of a lot and that betrayal happens and it goes wrong and from a childhood friend you don't expect that because that is your go-to birth of people you know and we're still eight ten of us who are kindergarten friends 65, 64 years of friendship you know and that's what keeps me going too and then magical and then one such person does a game on you then you start see because of that I don't want to not trust others that shouldn't become my go to thing to say you know it happened here I will do it

25:04Raj Shamani:but it's okay

25:08Suniel Shetty:like I said financially I'm never bothered about anything because I've never had any goal I've never had that I should have this one and this one I take it as it comes as it comes you never thought no, never never

25:25Raj Shamani:never because if my kids I would want

25:27Suniel Shetty:no, no, no I would want to educate my father only said one thing the buddhi shastra is the most powerful shastra educate your children because come what tsunami property is over buddhi shastra it can be and that India is proving that. What is Bharat proving that our knowledge is in every place. You can say anywhere. You can say Timbuktu. If the economy is surviving, then our hands are in it. And that is the knowledge of the knowledge of the Buddha. So he always said, educate your children. I still remember actor going to dad. I said, dad, they said the American school is a damn good school. But the fees are too much.

26:12Suniel Shetty:what if I don't make it what happens he says give them the best you can and it'll all happen nice so

26:24Raj Shamani:but when you went school you went to school with royals like I mean very rich kids

26:33Suniel Shetty:no you know what that's an amazing thing about dad we used to live in Lamington Road we lived in a one room kitchen very close to dad's restaurant. But that area wasn't a very upmarket area.

26:51Raj Shamani:Okay.

26:51Suniel Shetty:He couldn't afford it. But he borrowed, took a loan, borrowed money from his friends and bought an apartment in Nephensiro. Way beyond his means. And I asked him that time, dad, why did you do this that time? And you couldn't afford it. Your loans were on you. He said, because if you would have, I would have let you grow up here, this is the kind of mentality you would have had. I put you into a better area because we don't fit in there, so we'd be conscious. We'd be aware of that there are, you know, people who are way above us in status, in wealth, in every way. And you would always be well behaved and thankful for that.

27:34Suniel Shetty:But at the same time, you would grow up with people whom you would want to emulate and be like. you know, you'd want to educate yourself. You'd want to get yourself a car. He said, you don't learn to spend. You never learn to make, you know, spend within your means, but spend the money. Don't save it. Do spend the money on the good things in life, to travel, to do things, to achieve something for your children, music class, do everything that you can educate them with and give them that extra to be able to do things. A good car, which means you have to work hard for a good car. I can't do that.

28:19Suniel Shetty:To do that. And that's exactly, that's how I've lived my life. I probably haven't saved as much as I've probably spent on a better life. You know?

28:31Raj Shamani:Interesting. At the beginning, it was like this. At the beginning, it was like this. And today,

28:34Suniel Shetty:it was like this.

28:35Raj Shamani:You'd spend way more. Yeah,

28:37Suniel Shetty:I'd spend way more, way more in the sense, not get into debt and do it, but spend, like they say, I'll go as per the year and my needs. And Lakshmi ji, I always say she takes care of me all the time. And isn't it bad? It is bad, but that's what I did. And I've done it brilliantly. I've given my kids a decent life, a great education and just fallen into place and that's why I said real estate is the only thing that has saved me because my investments were in real estate that is what saved me because the minute you feel shelter is on your head it's easy don't worry about it

29:26Raj Shamani:it'll take care of itself in my family I think it's literally literal Hindi meaning is that God, my debt is increased because the debt is increased by the income in one way the same thing that you require

29:45Suniel Shetty:and when you are honest and your means are right then you don't go is there

29:54Raj Shamani:a strategy that you follow in order to buy a certain real estate or like certain buildings or certain projects sure sure

30:02Suniel Shetty:Sure. What is it? Location, always. Society, you know, and being an actor. It's about protecting yourself from the outside world so that it's the right environment. For me, it would be about less families. It would be about great amenities. And like I said, location. The most important things for me. Because you need to keep your privacy also. At the same time, you need to understand, use the facilities. You've got to see what kind of people, who are the people who are there with you, whether it's the right mindset. You know, very, very important. I mean, that's what I tell Ahan and Atiyah also, don't buy a property because you want to show something to someone or prove something to someone.

31:05Suniel Shetty:But if it protects you, protects your family, protects you. Protects your peace. Absolutely. Buy peace. you know and that's that's the thought process behind it I mean today Rahul and Atiyah didn't buy the house the one which Mana and me bought they bought the house because of the convenience of the family also brother there father there mother there children there great house great home very few apartments you have your privacy but yet you have a very strong community and a family. You're involved in the development of the building. You're a part of the committee, you know. So you look at all that.

31:56Suniel Shetty:There are bigger buildings, could be better buildings that are there. But this suits us. Central when it comes to work, you know, between both.

32:07Raj Shamani:Interesting. So these are all the things that you would consider instead of having an ego buying and like... Absolutely. No.

32:21were you egoistic

32:22Suniel Shetty:at any point no never never ever even my first home buying my farmers was so that my children could grow up with me so I could recreate Mangalow and I've done exactly that you know there are roosters running there are there are ducks there there are koi fish there my own water reservoir everything to do with sport nature it was a place with zero two trees it's got over 400 trees now why what fruit is growing I have no answer to it when somebody says how can you grow from the ground I say it's growing

33:00Raj Shamani:I don't ask questions

33:03Suniel Shetty:and I don't get the answer but it's growing so you know that there's a lot of memories what sport do you play? I play cricket I used to play squash yeah in every table tennis yeah yeah yeah all of it and I'm good I'm very good at it I mean I haven't tried paddle and pickle because that is something that I'm trying to do of my own and now I've taken it upon me that the day my coat will open up I'll play the day but I won't play

33:34Raj Shamani:yeah and that's we'll play we'll play whenever

33:38Suniel Shetty:and it's about recovery it's not just about paddle it's about health wellness recovery recovery everything i've never spoken about this but uh it got delayed a bit because you know how

33:49Raj Shamani:properties are and stuff like that but uh yeah it's like a health club yeah completely it it is

33:56Suniel Shetty:anti-aging it is recovery it is for athletes and people who love sport you know and so it's a it's It's a great place. It's a great place. It'll be one of a kind.

34:11Raj Shamani:I'll come, we'll play. And we'll also play TT one day. TT, even I'm damn good at TT.

34:16Suniel Shetty:I mean, you're younger, so...

34:19Raj Shamani:I'm not like very good, but I'm good.

34:21Suniel Shetty:No, I'm good.

34:21Raj Shamani:I'm good. I was very good, but now I'm good. Good. We'll play at one. But racket sports, I also play squash, TT, all of this. So I have squash court in Khandala also. I have squash court.

34:33Suniel Shetty:Yeah, I have a bowling machine. So I was one of the first few guys 20 years ago to put a bowling machine. You love doing all this important stuff.

34:40Raj Shamani:Yeah, because that's the only thing. See, it's very important

34:44Suniel Shetty:that when you have a house and you have a guest in your house or when you come to your house, when you come there, if you go to second home, you go to second home, it's a lot of... Otherwise, there are too many attractions. Let's go to this. Let's go to that. Now, because of this, they only want to run because of that. That's why whether it's a home, whether it's a second home, whatever it is, it has to have things that'll take care of all. So even when I was building the home, the farm, I was very clear that I need exit. I need the golf cart to reach the room. I need motion with the wheelchair.

35:31Suniel Shetty:Dad and mom are getting older. you know dad was nearly closer to 70 when it was happening so i was aware of all that

35:38Raj Shamani:so i built everything accordingly nice you know sub yeah what are you most proud of of putting there my my trees i have a tree i have a major waterfall of course during the monsoons running

35:55Suniel Shetty:splitting the property and going nice and a major waterfall so you're sitting on tower that waterfall i've got uh i've got a spring out there which throws out water through the year so because of the overflowing of this i've dammed it there's a mini waterfall that happens 365 days

36:19Raj Shamani:a year a lot of animals down there so they get the fresh water supply you know so and and

36:26Suniel Shetty:And because of the rainwater harvesting and everything that I've done, a land that was absolutely barren because of only rocks. Today, the water level is probably pouring out from everywhere else. So those are the things. And I did it just through reading and understanding and sitting with this boy and working on it.

36:48Raj Shamani:All by yourself? All by myself. There's no engineer, nobody that was involved.

36:53Suniel Shetty:How long did it take you? I think it took me four or five years to get the actual foundation going and my trees took a lot of I lost a lot of trees also because you know ground level wasn't there was a rock it used to hit rock then understanding what works what doesn't work what plants consume how much water how do they let go all that how big is the place it's a two and a half acre plant two and a half Yeah, yeah. But I got my solar. I put solar, I put a windmill 20 years ago because somebody told me that wind power would help. It cheated me fully. But that windmill still stands there. It's not connected.

37:37Suniel Shetty:And solar and everything. Even today, my entire house works on solar. Nice. Completely. Zero electricity bill. It's solar. So I'm very clear about, you know, when I talk environment, I don't talk about just shutting a tap I talk about genuinely creating an impact in whatever little way I can

38:00Raj Shamani:but when you are in such a society where you are a lot of rich, successful status you have always felt like you are inferior

38:10Suniel Shetty:no, I was school captain I was the hero I was more educated and smarter the young people couldn't go on stage every day. I remember that because I was a school captain badminton I mean table tennis cricket athletics I used to represent the school. I was the hero. So you would one should never feel inferior anyways because you are who you are. I think from day one I had realized that I am who I am and my attitude depends on who you are. You are good with me I'll be very, very warm. And that's a part of my DNA again. That's exactly how I am. You show me attitude and I will give it back to you and you won't even realize it.

38:59Suniel Shetty:You know, and once you're in a sport, you've learned to win, you've learned to lose, you've learned to share the stage with people. Airsecure. I used to take out challenges. I still remember a friend of mine who was a very, very close friend of mine. that triggered me off and my friends talk about it even today I was sitting at the restaurant and I was on the counter counter and it change I was on the counter and he drove in in his Mercedes tire change new tires it was called Ali Bhai Premji the number one tire in the city so he had brought his car and he needed to make a call he said he said he said he knew I had a restaurant and he saw me on the counter and he said you're a counter right there I said huh okay funny seeing you here and stuff of course one felt hurt that was over came made that call went home when I went back we used to hang out at this place Jackie all of us called Wonderworld pastry palace the first thing he came was he had he had sat everybody everybody was there and he had narrated the story that he was selling he was doing all that that hurt me that is the only time I probably told someone that one day I'll be bigger than you I'm not talking about but the name is so much that you're looking at and to date even Mana says this and everybody says this that I was very clear.

40:46Suniel Shetty:I didn't know films or whatever. But I knew I was going to make it. It could have been a five-star hotel that I was dreaming of, which is still my dream. But I wouldn't make it. So we didn't call it manifestation there. People called it overconfidence. But I believe that was manifestation. You know, words have changed. But we were always thinking, that I will do something. Dad, if I was 9-9 years old, and I wanted to give them the comforts also, that I would, I'll do this, I'll do that.

41:20Raj Shamani:But when some critique said, that you should be acting, acting or Idli, at that point, did you feel?

41:28Suniel Shetty:Oh, yeah. I was in tears for days together. I cried. I've cried. Because I thought maybe it's over. Because they knew better. I've never seen the studio in my life. acting class for me was not even 10 days of acting class and I had started work so I didn't know and my first film was complete Arzu and then the director and producer fought so it was shelved this was my second film and it released and they are saying this I didn't know what had hit me but then when I sat back and I thought I said yeah acting is not coming in action I had done anything

42:09Raj Shamani:about action

42:12Suniel Shetty:So I need to learn. And I learned the craft. How did I learn the craft? By doing dead-defying stunts. Got more films. Because people said, Yaar, pagal hai yaar. Asa toh koi ni karta hai. Body dek yaar. So then I started focusing less on my body, more on my craft, my language, in South Indian family, South Indian diction wasn't right. Grammatically, I made a lot of mistakes. So I had to mug, so when you mug 20-30 % of your mind is on dialogue, you're saying that you're acting slowly understood but I felt bad but I felt bad of course I was saying that but I didn't need to say that critical appreciation also happens today we say something about anyone so today staff or this ho, we don't the intent is not to insult them and write them off the intent is to get them to improve so critically appreciate cinema no, you why don't you take this to someone's or something's or something's or something's or something's that is our bread and butter that's why even today it hurts when people write off a film I say not man, give it a week let the audience decide that we don't want to go this is our industry like I keep saying you know so many people say Bollywood I said Bollywood we don't have to we don't have to we don't have to we don't have to we don't have to Hindi films are doing well which we forgot we have to take Bollywood you know so it was not in us so I think Hindi cinema is doing well and it will do well because you are connecting with Hindi you're connecting with Bharat

44:08Raj Shamani:and I believe Indian cinema as well forget Hindi, every language is now absolutely, absolutely

44:14Suniel Shetty:because they are touching their core they know their audience, they know the end user we had forgotten it we were talking about Hindi cinema but we were doing it for subsidies

44:25Raj Shamani:I get so happy these days when I travel abroad and I speak to a few of my friends and they have seen a Malayalam movie or seen a Gujarati movie

44:35Suniel Shetty:but Malayalam Gujarati Gujarati plays Malayalam cinema Marathi cinema Bengali cinema has always been extraordinary extraordinary today not during the time of the time we were sitting Marathi and Bengali cinema Malayalam cinema today Ramaji Rao, Calling, Hera Firi where is the cinema? Malayali cinema see the beauty of the writing

45:07Raj Shamani:I didn't know I grew up watching just Hindi and to me sometimes now I feel sometimes ashamed that my white friends are telling me to watch Malayalam movie and I'm like

45:18Suniel Shetty:because international

45:19Raj Shamani:I should watch it and they're telling me watch this Prime it's Netflix I was like

45:24Suniel Shetty:I should watch more of this

45:26Raj Shamani:yeah Indian cinema it's reaching places it's finally reaching places yeah yeah absolutely are you on another note are you comfortable with losses yeah yeah absolutely like failure oh yeah yeah yeah

45:39Suniel Shetty:because you've been

45:40Raj Shamani:achiever

45:40Suniel Shetty:I'm going to go and financial loss I don't even bother about I don't even bother about I don't even bother about not at all no anxiety no stress no tension no nothing

45:56Raj Shamani:film failures of course it hurts you because there's a lot of effort that goes

45:59Suniel Shetty:into it but I've I've now learned to

46:02Raj Shamani:how many films flopped probably

46:08Suniel Shetty:I mean you know the thing is that time they said flop is because the distributor said flop collection how much is it today we are watching recovery asset value calculation now it's coming now it's made a film in Excel sheet so So, it was a lot of difference. Today, if you have a share, then the film was buying ticket. Then we didn't do anything. We would show a house full board. So, I don't think financially it would be a loss. 20-30 % maybe would have broken even and film would have lost. No money was not so.

46:50Raj Shamani:But commercially flop, like which you said, it's flop.

46:54Suniel Shetty:Probably 20-30 % of the 135-140 films that I've done.

46:59Raj Shamani:but then there was a big period as well I think 10 year period when there was no success

47:03Suniel Shetty:I think after 2010 because every film of mine you know it came into the radar of

47:18Suniel Shetty:the multiplexes and action films not working and action distribution see today it is success and failure is not necessarily to do with the quality of films. It's to do with the marketing. It's to do with the sales. Who will get the theatre? If you have a good picture, if you don't get the theatre, what will you do? So as much as we all say that it is content that drives it, content cannot drive a film unless and until it gets the right release. It gets the right timing. it gets the right phones it gets the right audience

47:59Raj Shamani:how do you do it?

48:01Suniel Shetty:Today a border and Duran they're running simultaneously other films will not get a chance to stick their neck out you know so a lot of factors matter a lot of factors matter and today it's about oh my film is ahead we've done brilliant why have you done brilliant? because your numbers are good. Has the money come back? No. But the share value has increased. So it's all about, there's a lot of manipulation. There's a lot of play. There's a lot of shares that are being looked at. You're not seeing pure box office. Very few, very, very few. I'd say 10-15 % probably are pure box office successes because they don't know any other way.

48:55Suniel Shetty:but all the companies that are there they have to manage you know and build that hype I mean that's what it's come to and that's the way it is and it's going to remain but it's very difficult to judge I think you have to judge good cinema and bad cinema you know film was not good film was very good success should be success failure will have to be the networks

49:21Raj Shamani:will have to take a call that the backers

49:24Suniel Shetty:that will define Excel sheets like I said Excel sheets are making films if they make films from a financial perspective I'm still okay with it Excel sheets trying to run scripts choose artists who fit in you know that's a tough call

49:45Raj Shamani:studio cinema does this like when the studios get in they want to do this that's how it is see I was doing in like my research of Karada podcast I found some very fascinating math about your movie's success and stuff and that's that was something that I found I don't know how true or false it is but I'm going to put it out it said that you've done about 110 movies like maybe more but like they've done about 110 movies and your hit ratio was 12 % that means that every one movie which went hit the others there were 8 movies which didn't get hit and still like imagine one hit eight not so hit and then you are one of the most decorated actors entrepreneurs that's why I said

50:36Suniel Shetty:because the math was different the math was completely different producer took the money could he make another film tickets

50:50Suniel Shetty:So it was always about that the distributor came and bought a film so my film was big and my money came back so it works. Box office there was no there was no real calculation to it so that's why a lot of us did a lot of work and we continued to do work. It's because of that today kids one film two films and they they write the kids off even after a big hit if the math doesn't go right according to them it's written off

51:28Raj Shamani:and in that so let's say in 10-12 years when things were not working out at what point was there any point where you thought I'll leave it, I won't do it

51:40Suniel Shetty:of course

51:41Raj Shamani:now I don't have that thing that what was the thought

51:45Suniel Shetty:the thought was my percentage of I think new directors if you see would be more than 50-60 % first time directors first time producers so where did I get the wrongs I know that I wasn't calculated I went with the heart so I lost out a lot there also then I realized that once you get into this cycle junk comes to you and when junk comes to you it's a time that you don't want to be a part of that junk

52:23Raj Shamani:you know

52:25Suniel Shetty:it's better that you know it doesn't you don't do work and even if you ended up with a good film the producer back was broken by the time the release came he didn't know how to market it he wouldn't get the right theatre But so, you know, it's a vicious cycle then. And that's when I said, you know what? Stay out of it. There's so much more that one can contribute to. Rather than doing crap and losing that name and that goodwill and the brand, continue doing something else. Continue doing other things.

53:01Raj Shamani:But did you at any point mentally lose belief in yourself?

53:05Suniel Shetty:No, never, never, never, never. That is one thing that I never did. I knew I had so much in me other than just movies and the skill to do something also that never. And then dad fell unwell. So, you know, this whole thing of being with him and staying at home felt better, much better, rather than do trash. You know, I did Dharbar because I wanted to tick that box of working with Rajneeser, you know, And that's why I play negative in Darbar. But after that, so many offers. Never. But if you're talking about a great character and a role with substance, then I would never say no to something that I liked.

53:53Suniel Shetty:Playing negative, no.

53:55Raj Shamani:But just randomly putting you in. No, no, no. Making you a villain.

53:59Suniel Shetty:No, no, no, no. Never, never, never would do that. And why? I don't like it. You know, you've been a hero. you've been someone who's been the nation has believed that you're the one who can single-handedly punch down 10 people why would you want to be thrown around doesn't suit no it doesn't suit old school doesn't think that way but isn't it like you're an actor

54:26Raj Shamani:can you do anything?

54:27Suniel Shetty:no no not at all actor can you do anything there are many things that I won't do in the film today I've lost an English film, a big one, and shot in the country because there was a gruesome rape that had to be done. And they didn't want to show it any other way but the way they should. And I was clear when I said, no, they said, but you're an actor. I said, no, there's an image also. you know and where do we come from we come from an India that believes everything that they see you know and today box office might not work but love works of mine send a new kid with me anywhere into the interiors and I'll show you what fan following is I'll show you what hysteria is I'll show you what love is that is true so

55:34Raj Shamani:respect is massive

55:36Suniel Shetty:finally finally that's what I'm going to take to my grave you know in my first interview who do you want to emulate your your career like whom would you want to end up and then I'd said like Dharam ji loved by everybody man of the masses loved by everybody you know When love takes over, you might make a lot of mistakes. I'm sure I've made a lot of mistakes, but they overlook all that. That love remains. And that's why I say, send any kid with me into the interiors of India and they'll realize that, my God, these guys are loved. You send a Jackie Shroff anywhere, send a Sunny Deod anywhere, send a Dutt anywhere, a Mithunda anywhere.

56:29Suniel Shetty:It's love. so it's also what you do and you know for me I probably don't have the kind of blockbusters a whole lot of others might have till now but that love is there you know so and that's what matters

56:49Raj Shamani:but do you look at other let's say your friends and be like they did something which I would have done maybe I would have changed something different of course

57:01Suniel Shetty:with your career never go blind into anything don't career has to be balanced there has to be faith there has to be belief but at the same time you have to be practical but the only thing I see my contemporaries and you know think is look at them they're still out there they're still fit they're still looking good they're still doing great work maybe one day even I'll do it and I continue to do it. You know, I keep myself fit. I keep myself ready. You never know. You know, something comes up and you're at it. It's like suddenly franchises are big. So whether it's a welcome, whether it's a Hera Ferry, whether it's an Awaarapagal, whether it's anything, it's all being remade.

57:48Suniel Shetty:And what are you living on? Nostalgia now. You're back to the 90s. You know, Border 2 worked like magic because of the magic of Border 1. you know, because of what JP Dutta, the legend and OP Dutta and, you know, Javed Sahib and all of them had delivered together.

58:06Raj Shamani:But who do you look at as in your friend circles, who you feel like this guy was the smartest, maybe he made the smartest moves?

58:13Suniel Shetty:I wouldn't say smartest moves. I would say honest moves, conscious, very conscious about position God has given them and done right. I'd say Akshay, Ajay, done brilliantly well. Brilliantly well. You know, created a world for themselves. A world that is larger than life. A world that is about respect at the box office. You know, I think managed it beautifully. And they continue to do it. If you see the actors who are delivering blockbusters, it's all 55 plus. All 55 plus are giving constant blockbusters. You know, of course you have Ranbir and you have Ranbir. But I'm talking about consistency.

59:08Suniel Shetty:These kids are still 10 films, 12 films old. 100 plus films here. And continue to give blockbusters. Sunny, just look at that.

59:18Raj Shamani:Interesting. I never heard anyone say this. This is true. But it is true. 55 plus, they are delivering.

59:25Suniel Shetty:Salman Khan. Shah Rukh. Shah Rukh. Aamir Sunny Ajay Akshay all of them you know that the box office is going to jingle there with them around

59:37Raj Shamani:why do you think today the the stardom with which Shah Rukh Khan has built is is incredible and it's probably the biggest in the world right now and others were not able to build as much as what Shah Rukh has built

59:54Suniel Shetty:because he had music and India music matters the best songs he had yesterday with him and the best songs his commitment to his craft him reinventing inventing himself all the time the grace

1:00:13Suniel Shetty:He's complete, you know, complete from a human perspective also.

1:00:18Raj Shamani:What do you mean by that?

1:00:19Suniel Shetty:I mean, the respect he gives, the respect he expects. He's there when he needs to be. He's not about social media. He's not about posting. He's not about anything. He has the yesteryear charm, you know, which a lot of the the earlier stars have the kids of this generation believe that social media is the way forward you know that news needs to be put out whereas these guys aren't that way it's like Arunbir the charm of Arunbir is he's not there he's there when his work is there his work speaks and rest is for you to imagine true you know and when you start imagining you start imagining in the way you see the individual.

1:01:11Raj Shamani:What's the most misunderstood thing about you?

1:01:13Suniel Shetty:I think that I am an unbelievable businessman and I have got 20 businesses running and that probably among the richest actors in the industry. That's wrong. Bullshit.

1:01:28Raj Shamani:Bullshit.

1:01:28Suniel Shetty:It's not wrong, it's bullshit. I'm telling you, the other kids are doing so much better. I've managed to keep myself afloat. But like I said, real estate is what has saved me. Businesses, loss, loss, loss, loss, loss. Before I got into movies, profit, profit, profit. The minute I got into movies and I wasn't taking care of it, I've lost. I've lost probably every business, second business that I've done.

1:01:58Raj Shamani:Tell you what other businesses you've lost.

1:02:01Suniel Shetty:In the restaurant industry, I lost. lost then in the government trade the minute I got out and tried to do something on my own I lost when I when I tried to do something with with a startup personally but I was also working I lost I lost big money but once I started backing startups and understood them and started working with these kids who are professionals I think I benefit

1:02:31Raj Shamani:from myself from myself

1:02:32Suniel Shetty:because Because you have to give yourself time. You know, your business is your business. When you play others, you will get the same. You know, the same kind of commitment never comes. And that's why when kids today say, family business, I don't want to, I want to do something on my own. No, that family business has been set beautifully. Manage it and then do something else. But manage that legacy of yours. Don't let it go. Because legacy just doesn't come that way. People might call it nepotism. but for me that word doesn't exist every father does it for his children and every father or mother does it for his family and others of course many people get help in that area but no

1:03:20Raj Shamani:and you believe that most of the investments that you do including the real estate, including the house you feel emotions take over more than the business investment side or like the smartness side

1:03:33Suniel Shetty:In businesses, yes. And even in homes, yes. Because, you know, I'm someone who believes that if it's real estate, I'm someone who believes that don't rent here. Own. You?

1:03:49Raj Shamani:Own.

1:03:50Suniel Shetty:Because, again, I don't want the Excel sheet dictating life. I don't want to be a nomad. I don't want to be someone yes freedom sounds very good you know ownership

1:04:12Suniel Shetty:legacy belonging matters a hell of a lot you know and belonging is the home the family the neighbors the society there has to be contribution if you don't own something even if it's a society it's a home if I don't own it how am I going to contribute to the development of the society it will never matter to me so if I don't develop my society how will I develop my city how will I develop my country you know so that is very, very, very my call there may be cost is this much there's no cost at home there's no value or what? Exactly, you don't give it to sell so it's priceless then how do you say it costs this much I don't believe in all that I believe own that's more emotional it's emotional and it if it wasn't for Mangalow and my parents hadn't owned that home, where would my roots be?

1:05:31Raj Shamani:So for you, buying a house is an emotional decision. Buying real estate is an emotional decision.

1:05:36Suniel Shetty:Not always. If it's commercial, it's different. If it's residential, it's different. You know, like I said, if I didn't have my ancestral home, which is my home, I have my share in it and we own it, what would my roots be? What would I go back to correct myself? Where would I go back? Where would I get my culture from? Where would I understand who all are there taking care of me and protecting me and for giving me this kind of a life? How would I see the difference between the highs, the lows, the rich, the middle class, the lower middle class? How would I be able to mix with everybody? How would I still continue to be able to live that kind of a life?

1:06:22Suniel Shetty:I would have been in a world of my own believing that you know the spotlight is the only light that I require in my life no I need to look look look around

1:06:32Raj Shamani:but then you also believe that you should also be here you believe that in the city don't rent there and you should buy that absolutely

1:06:40Suniel Shetty:because there then you contribute you contribute see I may be completely wrong but I contribute I know I was secure while growing up because I grew up in a society. I grew up with 120 families, Diwali, Holi. This meant everything to me. I was a part of the society. The minute I was 18 plus, I wanted to be a part of the society. I wanted to contribute. Could be for Dandia, could be for sports, could be for the gym. But there is a contribution that Suneeshetti built his gym. But he didn't have gym. 40 years ago, he built a gym in the building. Today, people say, that is contribution it becomes very difficult for the children it's very difficult to build a family when when you don't have a home of your own not a house of your own a home of your own yeah

1:07:39Raj Shamani:you know I say this since very I started making money at a quite young age than than my other friends or anyone and since then I've been saying this to my parents to everyone and be like her logic in my life I tell you that you should not buy a house you should rent and still I'm like the day I'll marry is the day I'll I'll have my own house I'll buy and that will be completely emotional buy today I'm okay to live on a rent because I'm alone my parents are in Indore so I keep going there that's my you know route that's where my roots are from but there will be one emotional by which I know it'll either be because I want to gift it to my mom or dad or my wife or my whenever my family is there but I will have an emotional by and I don't know why is that I don't know where is it coming from but it's coming from where you come from

1:08:40Suniel Shetty:it's coming from where you come from Indor Root Sujain Makal everything just works beautifully I'm telling you I'm telling you even if it's here if it's here if probably if dad was on rent and dad would have taken another house on rent there only just because it was a larger home he wouldn't have moved to neopiency road i won't have got the education that i got i wouldn't have got the stability the balance the friends that i have my friends are my childhood friends yeah 13 14 of us who have been friends for 60 years plus every second holiday together everything together in my lows they're always there for me for them it's not Sunil Shetty the actor it's Sunil or it's Tanu you know that's it and you need to give that the stability of school education when was the first time you bought a house?

1:09:39Suniel Shetty:I bought a house I think probably 95, 96 or something like that. Yeah. And I didn't buy a house. I bought a home. And I bought a home because it was attached to dad's and mom's house. So I wanted to give them their privacy now because I had a family and didn't want to because others they're always compromising. That's a typical parent.

1:10:12Raj Shamani:Yeah.

1:10:12Suniel Shetty:I do it today also. Aunt says, no, Papa, sit down. No, no, no, no, baby. Ma and I say, let's go. So I bought the house opposite. We were connected, but yet disconnected. You know, my children grew up with their grandparents. I paid one and a half or two X because I wanted that house. But then I lived my entire life with my father because of that. Otherwise, probably I would have been disconnected.

1:10:42Raj Shamani:But were you making a lot of money when you first bought house? No, no.

1:10:46Suniel Shetty:I was making enough. But I knew because of my dad's and my goodwill and banking that we used to do. Because it was a lot of liquid money and, you know, official. But banks came into play in a big way. I got my loan.

1:11:05Raj Shamani:And you took beyond your means?

1:11:07Suniel Shetty:Beyond my means. Way beyond my means. because I wanted to be there with them. No, but still buying a house beyond your mean, was it a good thing? It was a real, no, it probably wasn't, but it ended up being a good thing. You know, I knew the kind of work I was doing. I knew that I had to continue working at the same pace and with that same kind of energy. But yeah.

1:11:32Raj Shamani:Starting with my own story, which is still reflecting here as well, is कि जितना है उसे ज़ादा ही बड़ा घर लो से ज़ादा ही कर्चे लो ये वाई do you have this mindset

1:11:44Suniel Shetty:वाई because dad always said it कि यार कर्चा करने से को तब कमाने से खोगे वरना नहीं यार आदा इस यूल भी हाँ ठीक है इतने आगे is so much, so much bank will be so much interest, it will be a happy life life is very important to live but you manage time, man manage I will do that I will do it today if it's 9 o 'clock shift I'll be there, 9 o 'clock ready to this day 6 o 'clock wrap means I'll go I'll go home you ask me to work till nine I'll be very unhappy because then now oh I'll miss dinner with Mana at 6, 6.30 I'll miss my granddaughter she'll go off to sleep Tia will then also not be there with me Ahan will come and Ahan will whether he'll be home or he'll be out all these things matter to me you know so I've been very clear about all that and dad has also always told me and mom has also told me itna hi kaam karna zaroori hai but put in your best situation create and it's worked for me I need money but I want this also

1:13:02Raj Shamani:you know

1:13:03Suniel Shetty:and it's not see for me a car doesn't mean I can afford it so I want a Rolls Royce or I want a XYZ I need a great mode of transport that suits my personality and that is what it is you know but I need it but I needed it then also and the need is the same today because that's my need it's not my greed you know so very very clear about certain things

1:13:32Raj Shamani:but when people hear this they feel like that if we more mean in simple Indian words it's like if I take something bigger or take a home then that 10, 20, 30 years that's what EMI gives anxiety people just so much.

1:13:50Suniel Shetty:No, I don't have to do your money with your money. I have to do the best of your work. How much confidence you have in your own mind. Do you always keep on salary? Because I think salary is a drug that the owner gives you. You eat it and you eat it. Go beyond. Work harder. And when you start working on it. for your example, I've seen you grow as, I would say a child, a newcomer into this, to a time today, when even if it's a validation for one of the most loved sports in the country, you are being used. You've done the ad recently. Why? Because you have that belief that you don't do podcasts, you research, you talk sense and when you talk sense and when you believe in yourself and you believe that there's a lot more to me I'm sure your team is continuously saying what is it new that we can do to break this because even this will stagnate in some time

1:15:01Raj Shamani:you know podcast will become okay what next

1:15:05Suniel Shetty:I'm saying have faith in yourself that's the faith I had in myself this is not the picture this is okay I have real estate clothing industry 18 years old I was running a brand that was known world over New York Times I got a write up that left and left and left and left and left and left and left and left if I was looking at it probably that has given birth to some of the biggest brands in India they are multi-billion dollar homes and every sample that I put out was taken copied and sold and they told us that we're taking it to duplicate. For me, it was sale for an 18-year-old boy. How did it matter?

1:15:49Suniel Shetty:He said, okay, let's buy. We'll produce more. We had more ideas. That's not my business. Clothes was never my business. But I made it my business because it was taste. So if it was taste, I thought that if you can wear good clothes, you can also sell it. And I sold only what I liked.

1:16:07Raj Shamani:Mischief.

1:16:08Suniel Shetty:Mischief, yeah. But not for anybody else. I believe that they will like this. let's be do the revolution so the veggies grow right there's nothing on it so it's us it's you who are making that difference you know a lot of people had started podcasts and stuff like that but then what what's happened you've seen them go because thousand more want to become that Raj

1:16:36Raj Shamani:but how do you keep innovating and just keep believing in yourself absolutely It's complete belief in you and honesty.

1:16:45Suniel Shetty:When you're clean from here, you're fearless. You're fearless.

1:16:53Raj Shamani:You will never think of house as an asset or like an asset to flip or make money and just sell it at 2x, 3x?

1:17:04Suniel Shetty:No, no, no. Never.

1:17:06Raj Shamani:Let me ask you this. Those three buildings that your father bought, would you ever sell it?

1:17:11Suniel Shetty:No.

1:17:14Raj Shamani:development is happening

1:17:16Suniel Shetty:I don't want to be we don't want to be lost in a city that is growing with very little infrastructure here so I'd go in for redevelopment for sure but selling no I don't think we'll sell unless the area changes completely and the structure doesn't fit that area you know with what you are doing or what you're capable of doing sometimes that happens but no

1:17:40Raj Shamani:but for a handsome profit like 2x 3x 3x 2x it's only with redevelopment

1:17:50Suniel Shetty:would you sell we'll have to join develop you know so join development is still owning a part of that property and then yes you won't completely liquid it no no I don't think that will happen why because there's certain sentiment also attached to it I mean of course the property changes completely but what will I do I will end up buying another property only generally this is what happens but if it's not it's not necessary true liquidity it's necessary in the family it's necessary then it's okay then the sister siblings can also take a call you know it's very much owned by my sisters also they have to take a call and we are all okay with the way things are now

1:18:39Raj Shamani:fair fair you know coming back to your your positioning and you said that there are things that you wouldn't do in early years before joining the movie you were looked at and perceived as little like macho gunda alpha yeah how did that image change like today you're not gunda like nobody sees you as gunda at all that's because of course the kind of films I did changed

1:19:09Suniel Shetty:minute

1:19:14Suniel Shetty:everything changes I was I was I wasn't a gunda but I would take on anything and probably that's why and the whole appearance a body long hair you know a villain all those conversations came up then my films also started changing you know every time I came back home I'd ask my parents and wife how's the film they'd say damn good but the next thing they wanted was a Saradon because they had head hurted because of the action that overdose of action that I did so I said I need to change the kind of films I do and that's when I started taking risk of doing the Hutu Tuts and the Hera Fairies and the you know films like Gopi Kishan and all the other films which were more family more fun loving so I think that's when it changed and then I think somewhere down the line the the commitment to doing work and going back home straight is is what changed changed but did it happen after after no it was there from the very beginning but the more media got to know you the more people realize that this is the kind of life is very clear about work and home is I think when things changed and you know becoming a father and little things you know we believe that in social media especially we believe that for yourself to show you we need to do this but in truth that is not I always say to be happy to be happy for me, I have a good day, I have a good day mom, dad, wife, children around and it is bliss but for me, I need five dishes different colors different restaurant its photo should be right others will be to be a good day you have put in a photo, and when you eat, you eat good.

1:21:32So,

1:21:32Suniel Shetty:to show yourself, you have to get a paper. You have to do more things. I don't have to go to parties. I always believed that if you believe my work is good, I would love to work with you. But, how can I go and tell you, I don't have to do my work. see I faltered there it could be for someone who wants to achieve in life you have to have that in you, I didn't have that

1:22:05Raj Shamani:in me, I didn't have that

1:22:07Suniel Shetty:in me, I didn't go to anybody, I gave a hit with someone, I wouldn't even call that someone to, I mean call them to congratulate them, what are we doing next no no no, I was never pushy and a little bit pushy or business type is very important I wasn't, but okay you know and we'll talk about business

1:22:26Raj Shamani:the other side was a lot many businesses now you have expanded a lot but before I go there I have a last question on this piece you said you were not pushy you were content it was a period where movies were not working and still you didn't self-believe you were like I'm not going to do anything and you were very confident you were like

1:22:51Suniel Shetty:you were broken down no no no like I said financial security I managed somewhere and I wasn't bothered about about that too much so when that doesn't take over your life life is still worth worth living enjoying you know but here's

1:23:11Raj Shamani:here's what's fascinating recently when somebody was asking you about Ahan and Ahan's two years period which was not very good and he was not getting offers.

1:23:23Suniel Shetty:No, no, Han got a lot of offers. Okay. But he couldn't do the films. You know, he couldn't do the film because he was tied down. He had to do four films. He was a pandemic baby. Film released during the pandemic. Still did 36 to 40 crores. You know, which is a hit today.

1:23:46Suniel Shetty:Still was a box office success because it opened at four and a half, five crores. It had a great weekend. two cities two states Karnatak and I have one more were Omnicron so it was completely shut rest of India was at 25 % tough period

1:24:07Raj Shamani:still did this after the

1:24:09Suniel Shetty:after the pandemic every film was a disaster every film went to OTT Sajibai wanted to do a film with him by the time things settled and he was supposed to start a film the two directors had a problem the film got shelled two days before

1:24:31Raj Shamani:and

1:24:33Suniel Shetty:certain media houses started writing that it was because Ahan was his entourage cost was too much this was so it was a tough period you know it was a tough period for everybody but I would look at it from Ahan's perspective because he was already getting offers. But because the period was so tough, nobody could do anything.

1:24:57Raj Shamani:But his two-year period, three years, three years, and talking about that broke you down. You had two years in your eyes. Absolutely. But with yourself, you are okay with 10, 12 years. That's what I said.

1:25:08Suniel Shetty:That's the way I was. That's the way I am. I told you, I mean, without knowing that we would end up coming here, that's the way I am. You know, your children, for me, my children, my family. What worries you about him? Nothing. He needs to settle. This is the career that he's chosen. One of the toughest careers that any kid can choose. Success? Superb. I know my childhood handled it. Failure, can you handle it? You know, so I'm only worried. I was only worried about that. But then came a border. You know, everybody said. Yeah, I have a decision to take a border. No, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen.

1:25:47Suniel Shetty:But the faith in that film. worked for him I mean if you say box office responsible yes Sunny yes Varun yes Diljeet I had a small part to play in it and success is everybody's you know and Ahan was appreciated the fact is hey role more than a role then you can play in this role but it's a great deal so that's another it's a takeaway it's how you look at it for me it is let's go okay whatever it is impact it went today touchwood fingers crossed good offers coming his way but that's the way the industry is I know that now I'm happy now I'm excited knowing very well that after a lull there comes a period where he will shine because he's worked hard he's a good looking boy he's a very sincere boy and that's the only thing that I'm worried about that he's too nice you know and there he needs help he needs help to make the right choices not like his father say yes to everything that comes your way which I think these two three years have taught him a lot you know it's called

1:27:04Raj Shamani:there's a phenomenon in psychology it's called vicarious suffering vicarious suffering it means that when the parent passes from one pain so it's not pain but it's the same pain if you see it for your children so it's suffering at least 8x to 10x so in your brain like neurologically you experience more

1:27:28Suniel Shetty:probably 20x with me but no no with him I've been through a lot

1:27:36Raj Shamani:here's the last question I have for you there are so many things we talked about I'm gonna stitch it like a movie here or in there and make it like a proper thing the question is I wanted to ask you at the time when we were talking about your kids but I saved it for the last then what is one thing you want your kids to say about you

1:27:57Suniel Shetty:I think he was a fair man like his father was was an honest man and you know like I say myself I don't know how much I've achieved but I've made a lot of friends and it takes one hell of a it takes a lifetime to make a lot of friends you know and

1:28:22Suniel Shetty:hopefully you know that's it I mean with a room filled with people people will talk about you it's the minute I get out of that room whether they'll speak in the same way

1:28:35Raj Shamani:they do and are you worried that they might make some mistake which comes from you

1:28:43Suniel Shetty:no I don't think so So, yeah, maybe the trust factor. The trust factor. But then, you know, they learn. And as long as they don't get hurt and carry that with them, I've learned to start slowly dropping that side of me. I mean, first I knew when I got hurt, I carried it for X amount of period. then I started consciously reducing the period and now I've learned to do away with it probably overnight you know say let me focus on something else

1:29:28Raj Shamani:it took a while for you to do this yeah it did to forget

1:29:32Suniel Shetty:yeah it took a while it took a while it took a while for me because no I used to really feel bad and let down I used to feel let down and then it was impacting my relationship with other people you know, I saw someone else then I saw that from that you don't trust anyone yeah, so then I said yeah, let's leave you know, and the thing is once again with me I have a constant flow of people coming to me that money should be, we will give it back we will give it back, we will give it back first it felt bad to me that yeah, how do I give it to the other? now I have forgotten that from a money perspective I will see that is that is a part and parcel I believe I gave him a loan that I didn't want back I won't call it a loan I gave him money but other things in business or you know we are doing this film together this role and suddenly you realize you're not a part of it somebody else has been a part of it all he had to do was call me and tell me can I add you know the the network said no or you don't want to be angry so we have someone else that's bad that's bad that's bad that's bad that's bad that's bad that's bad

1:30:44Raj Shamani:that's bad I don't understand

1:30:45Suniel Shetty:that's bad that's bad I know

1:30:51but

1:30:52Suniel Shetty:don't do this don't do this don't do this those are the things that it will hurt all of us everybody who is human these things will hurt unless you are thick skinned but fair for sure fair

1:31:08Raj Shamani:well thank you so much sir

1:31:10Suniel Shetty:thank you

1:31:11Raj Shamani:this was a long pending chat thank you I know I know it's been long finally you took out time and you came sure sure

1:31:18Suniel Shetty:thank you for doing this cheers lovely

1:31:38Raj Shamani:When did you start? When did you start? I think health was forever.

1:31:45Suniel Shetty:Right from kindergarten, from school. You were focused on health?

1:31:49Raj Shamani:Like from dad?

1:31:51Suniel Shetty:Yeah, you know the thing is I met Sir Gideon Richards once. And an obsessive fan of him. I just went up to him, spoke to him. I still remember him telling me, because he was huge. and every time they give you the feeling that if you're big you can't play a sport yeah

1:32:08Raj Shamani:movement not so I went

1:32:10Suniel Shetty:to him and asked him so he said no I can hit the ball harder not that he spoke to me for too long it is four rounds with this play so I said you wait train he said yes I said but they say he says no he seen me hit the ball and that's what mattered finally so that caught on to me so then I started mixing doing a lot of functional for legs but a lot of pull-ups and all that otherwise. So I got the size. I got stronger legs that would carry me, carry my weight around ever since I think 14 or 15.

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(00:00) - Intro
(04:26) - His community is his biggest strength
(07:51) - His weaknesses & losing his father
(16:22) - His relationship with Mana & his family’s disapproval
(23:35) - A betrayal he faced because of his trusting nature
(26:24) - Never feeling inferior & the strategy behind buying a house
(41:20) - Critics & Indian cinema
(46:02) - His films that flopped & receiving love as an actor
(1:01:11) - The most misunderstood thing about him
(1:03:19) - Buying a house is better than renting
(1:18:40) - Getting rid of his gangster image
(1:23:07) - Ahaan Shetty’s 3 years of struggle
(1:27:36) - One thing he wants his kids to say about him
(1:31:22) - BTS
(1:32:47) - Outro



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Raj Shamani is an Entrepreneur at heart that explains his expertise in Business Content Creation & Public Speaking. He has delivered 200+ speeches in 26+ countries. Besides that, Raj is also an Angel Investor interested in crazy minds who are creating a sensation in the Fintech, FMCG, & passion economy space.



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