23-Year-Old Is Going To Drown In Debt FOREVER

30 Jul 2023 · 53 min

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Podcast Episode Notes: Financial Audit - "23-Year-Old Is Going To Drown In Debt FOREVER"

Podcast Overview

  • Title: Financial Audit
  • Description: A personal finance podcast that aims to entertain and educate listeners while providing financial audits for individuals looking to improve their financial situations.
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Episode Details

  • Episode Title: 23-Year-Old Is Going To Drown In Debt FOREVER
  • Episode Description: A financial audit for a 23-year-old named Lyle from Berlin, New Jersey, dissecting his financial situation, income sources, debts, and spending habits.

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Key Highlights

Introduction (Timestamp

00:00)

  • Host introduces Lyle, who admits to sounding unwell.
  • Discussion of Lyle's primary profession as a real estate agent.

Income Sources (Timestamp

00:00 - 06:49)

  • Lyle is a realtor, making approximately $15,000 in the first four months of the year, with potential earnings from contracts.
  • Additional income from DoorDash, averaging $600 to $1,000 monthly but is inconsistent.
  • Also mentions being a sperm donor, earning around $750 per month on average.

Financial Struggles (Timestamp

10:00 - 28:32)

  • Lyle admits to being in significant debt primarily due to a poor financial decision regarding an expensive car (Tesla) and insufficient income management.
  • Discusses the transition from nursing school to real estate during the COVID pandemic, which contributed to financial instability.
  • Lyle's living situation changed, leading to increased expenses and a deeper dive into debt.

Current Financial Situation (Timestamp

29:32 - 38:24)

  • Lyle scores his financial situation as a 2 out of 10, indicating self-awareness of his poor financial standing.
  • Review of his accounts shows very low balances in checking and savings, with no emergency fund.
  • Analysis of recent expenditures reveals overspending habits, especially on non-essential items.

Budgeting and Debt Management (Timestamp

38:24 - 45:55)

  • Lyle recently started budgeting but acknowledges significant challenges in his debt repayment.
  • Discussion of missed payments and accruing interest on various credit cards.
  • Lyle expresses a willingness to change his habits, including avoiding eating out and working more hours.

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Key Takeaways

Financial Mismanagement

  • Lyle's financial troubles stem from excessive spending and poor investment choices.
  • The decision to purchase an expensive car during a time of low income was a critical error.

Importance of Budgeting

  • Lyle has only recently begun budgeting and notes that his previous lack of a budget contributed to his financial woes.
  • The need for a solid budgeting system is emphasized to avoid overspending and manage debts effectively.

Income Generation

  • Lyle's approach to increasing income through multiple streams (real estate, DoorDash, sperm donation) demonstrates resourcefulness but needs to be better managed.
  • Consistent and disciplined efforts in income-generating activities are crucial for debt repayment.

Debt Breakdown

  • Lyle's total debt is approximately $28,478, including credit cards and student loans.
  • High-interest debt should be addressed first, followed by lower-interest obligations.

Emergency Fund Necessity

  • A significant takeaway is the need for an emergency fund to prevent further debt accumulation in case of unforeseen expenses.

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Recommendations

  • Immediate Action: Establish an emergency fund of at least $2,000 to cover one month of expenses.
  • Debt Repayment Strategy: Focus on high-interest debts first and implement a systematic plan to pay them down.
  • Budget Discipline: Lyle must maintain strict budgeting practices and avoid unnecessary expenditures.
  • Income Consistency: Increase DoorDash hours and explore additional side hustles to stabilize income.
  • Long-term Plan: Aim for financial stability by saving for retirement and future investments once debts are managed.

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Conclusion The episode highlights the financial challenges faced by a young individual and underscores the importance of budgeting, income management, and strategic debt repayment to achieve financial stability. Lyle's journey serves as a cautionary tale for listeners about the potential pitfalls of financial mismanagement and the benefits of taking proactive steps toward financial health.

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1:04Okay, thanks for coming down from New Jersey. Now, yes, I just want to say something right out of the gate. Let them know. My voice sounds like death. I don't know why. I don't feel sick. I feel nothing. But I sound like an interview with Miley Cyrus for some reason. I don't know why. Yeah. I'm just full vocal fry today. Thanks for coming down. What do you do for a living in New Jersey? Got a couple things. So my main thing that I do is real estate So more recently Over the past year or so I've gotten into real estate And I've been actually doing real estate more so What's the job in real estate?

1:39A salesperson So anybody who wants to buy a house Anybody who wants to sell a house I'm a realtor I forget that sometimes needs to be clarified When did you get your license? Like two years ago For the first year, just sat on it Got my license, paid a bunch of dues And was like, I have it, great Then I was like, hey, there's like a$400,$500 annual due. When that came back around, I was like, oh, I use this thing or I give it up. There's no like just spending$500 a month because I have it. That's when I started coming to the office, feeling around, seeing how to actually do real estate. First year, a couple of transactions, nothing crazy.

2:16Kind of got my bearings and all that. And this year, doing better off. What have you made this year so far? This year. Five months. So in these five months, I made around, not nothing crazy, because I'm still newer, okay? Four months. But I made around$15 ,000 this first year. And I'm in contract to make another$15 ,000 within the next two months. And then hopefully, I mean, we'll see what the second year, or the second half of the year has for me. So, yeah, we're in the beginning of the fifth month. So that's$30 ,000 in six months. Yeah. In contract. Those contracts could fall, though. Contracts could fall through.

2:53Yeah. I've personally never had one fall through, but I'm newer, so it could happen. So$15 ,000 over four months. Yeah. And then what else do you do? You said you do a lot of things. I do a lot of things. I do DoorDash too. Okay. Yeah. DoorDash, I'm typically bringing in. I mean, it fluctuates a lot. So that's what sucks with that because it's all discipline. It's all, do I want to DoorDash? And then yes or no, kind of, instead of having like a routine that I should follow. What do you bring in normally? Typically between$600 to$1 ,000 a month. Yeah. Well, I see here. I mean, there are expenses.

3:28Here's your DoorDash statement. This was in last month, all of last month. You brought in$918, but there were, I mean, there's lots of gas. Lots of gas. I pay around$250 to$3 a month on gas. It's painful. So you worked away with like$700. Yeah. Okay. And then maintenance on cars. Maintenance on cars. Calculating. Nope. Or taxes. Well, yeah. I mean, you're setting money aside for taxes, right? For real estate and this. I'm like, directly at the camera? No, not yet. Why? Because I have debts. And I'm like... That doesn't matter. You got to pay the IRS or they're going to come after you. They're like...

4:06I'll say this too. For the past two years, I was able to write off 90 % of my income because I drive so much. And the other 10 %? Other 10%, it's probably like a couple hundred bucks where I'm like, okay, cool. I made that last month. Here you go. So you paid it. So I pay my taxes off every year. but it's never come out to anything crazy. I know this year because... Well, yeah, you're not making anything. Exactly. So I know this year I'm going to make a lot. So that's where I need to put money aside. Make a lot. I mean, we're$15 ,000 in the first four months. If everything goes through, we're$30 ,000 within the first six months, meaning$6 ,000 plus an additional thousand hours a month that gets you to$72 ,000.

4:39Yeah. I mean, that's great. I'm happy. We're not making a lot. I don't know what your definition of investment is. Making enough to be taxed is what I'll say. Yes, that is true. That is true. But you're not setting money aside. So we have enough to be taxed, we've established. If everything goes well, the market fluctuates. Who even knows? And you can have hot parts of the year in terms of buying and selling as well. Of course. So we can't guarantee that income. No. We can probably guarantee the DoorDash. The DoorDash is the only one I can almost guarantee. Well, and that was$1 ,000 before expenses.

5:12So really, it's$700. So I mean, who even knows? Either way, all we can do is go off history and then we can base it on that. Yeah. We're not going to go off of like, oh, I hope I make this by the end of the year. I know. Unless they're business projections, but we're not. But we're not. Yeah. I do a third thing. Oh, okay. Go on. I'm a sperm donor. Oh, okay. Cool. How much do you make doing that? A good month. I'd say 900. If I go less, let's say, I would say typically 600.

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7:38That's rocketmoney.com forward slash Caleb to get started for free. Get your money right with Rocket Money. So if you want to kind of break it in half, let's go$7,$750. All right. So you're a jizz boy for$750. $750. That's what I sell it for, yeah. Okay. So you have a bunch of kids running around? So I only signed up to say, like, hey, when they turn 18, they can reach out to me if they want. And I had to sign something saying that. Until then, I have no idea. because it hasn't been 18 years since you've been doing this. It hasn't been 18 years. I assume I'm 23 years old. How long have you been doing it?

8:11All right, this is the crazy part. They can only have 25 kids from me, right? I've been doing it for three years, and I've been going a couple times a month. You can only have 25 kids from you? Yeah, because they don't want to mess up the gene pool, I assume. But they'll take more than 25 samples. But they'll take three years. I've probably donated at least 200 to 250 times, and each donation can have about five kids. so that's probably a thousand samples worth of kids interesting why are we doing that just to make money? like I said extra 800 sometimes they have bonuses where I made thousands a month before like I made 3 ,000 one month and all I go in there is I just drive over the deed and then leave so it's easy money it's 120 per donation and I go twice a week you just go to a room pull up the app the magazine, the photos, whatever.

9:01Yeah, whatever. Interesting. Very interesting. All right. Yeah. So, I mean, you're bringing home after expenses more for being a jizz boy than DoorDash. Yeah. But I can't go more than twice to three times a week. That's the crappy part about that. So I need something more to kind of back-end it. Like something that comes in every day, every other day or so. You know. This episode is brought Brought to you by NBA on Prime. This Tuesday at 8.30 Eastern, it's the Emirates NBA Cup Championship game on Prime. This year's quest for the Cup has been building to this, the championship game. Live from Las Vegas.

9:40Not a Prime member? Sign up for a 30-day free trial to get started today. The Emirates NBA Cup Championship game. This Tuesday at 8.30 Eastern. Only on Prime. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.com slash Amazon Prime for details. You're soloing it when you're there. Yeah. I actually can't stand you I just So real estate is the hope Real estate's the hope It's the dream Yeah I've transitioned recently Like I said My first year I did like two transactions This year alone I did six And I have another Like three to four Now why are you In so much debt Okay I went to school Before this For what A couple things But mainly nursing Okay Towards the end Once COVID happened Everything transitioned To online I'm like oh wow This sucks I can't focus at all.

10:27I'm getting distracted, but whatever. And I also moved to Jersey during this time from Philadelphia. It basically put a monkey wrench to things. During that period though, I wasn't working. I'm just a student. So, I'm probably getting money here and there from side things like that or DoorDash typically, but I basically realized that my income versus my expenditure was not like equal. I was slowly going into debt. For how long? Probably for like a year, maybe two, maybe 18 months quite the debt to build up in just a couple even a year maybe two so what happened between that I also my mom ends up I was living with her rent free things go south on her end as far as she's like look you gotta find a place this is not nothing between us but between basically she ends up getting divorced so she's like hey I have to downsize you gotta find your own place we only have two rooms and I have two other siblings I'm moving with my aunt I pay her$500 a month during that time Yeah.

11:25Okay. Which is basically nothing. Nothing. As far as rent goes. Exactly. So I'm a student paying her 500 a month. Great. I can kind of deal with that. I then take on a car note. This one was stupid. This one was a bad idea. During this time, I get the bright idea that I'm driving so much that I could get an old Tesla. Okay. So I get a Tesla. The car note for the Tesla. and mind you, I don't pay gas. So I'm saving about 275, 300 a month. And I'm like, okay, I like that. But I know your face is otherwise. The car note was 550 a month and I'm making less than what you saw there. So I'm paying 500 a month in rent, 550 a month on Tesla.

12:09And then my insurance was another 330 a month. So almost$1 ,000 between car note and insurance, I'm getting like, I'm drowning at this point. So anytime I go out for food, be that groceries or not, or like anything, I'm paying on a credit card most of the time. at that point um more recently as you saw uh tesla's dropped in value i don't know if you've seen sorry i have yeah so they dropped in value um what's kind of giving me the hope that this can kind of turn around during that time january 16th to be exact i got into an accident um wasn't my fault this year this year okay a couple months ago yeah i get into an accident wasn't my fault insurance company basically says look we're gonna pay you out the car's done i'm like thank you I get a much cheaper car which I now have in a car note of$8 ,000 but I get a much cheaper car with a much cheaper car note my car insurance is now like$130 a month I cut it to a third of it and I'm still paying now I'm paying$600 a month in rent because I moved out but I'm paying much cheaper on car note things, I'm making a little bit more money and like I said with real estate there's a lot of things in the works obviously nothing's guaranteed I guess that answered the question a little bit We'll just have to dig into this a little more.

13:21I want to know what you give yourself a score of 0 out of 10 right now. Write this today. Probably like a 2. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, from what I've seen, that's optimistic. But we will see. So, okay. Yeah, we went through the Dasher Direct. That's your DoorDash thing. Let's start with your checking and savings. $53 ending in your checking. Do you have automatic withdrawals on different things? I do not, thankfully. Okay, so everything's manual. I have to be good. Start of a$1640, so barely anything. And then there's another checking account that you have$129 and they're started with 13 cents.

13:54And the savings, 51 cents. Yeah. Okay. So no savings. No savings. Is there savings anywhere? Do we have anything? Do you have an emergency fund? Do you have anything? No, I don't. Okay, why? I mean, you'll see that the debts were just so big that I'm like, look, if I have to. And I get the point of saving the thousand dollars to the side just in case something happens. But I'm like, look. As Dave, yeah. As Dave, yes. I'm like, look, I could just pull that out of credit card and need be. what's the difference between me paying that down$1 ,000 or pulling that$1 ,000 out when an emergency happens from the credit card.

14:23Interest? Interest. So I'd rather pay the credit card off first with that$1 ,000 and then if I really need it, go back and pull it back out. That was my idea of use that$1 ,000 emergency fund to just pay down a debt a little bit more. We'll see. I mean, what we've often found with a few people on this show who only save up$1 ,000 and a big emergency happens, they end up getting into a worse situation that's harder for them to pull out of than if they had a few thousand dollars set aside. But either way, I mean, this is, okay. In here, okay. So in here, you're spending$319 at Target and parking and Wawa.

15:00And guess what? You had a withdrawal of$37.31. We rejected because you didn't have the money in there. Yeah. So we're clearly overspending. Yeah. Like, why are we at a point where you're going and spending$37.31 on something when you don't have the money? Why are we there? That was actually That's my only reoccurring charge And it's a gym membership So you have reoccurring So why are we leaving no balances In the checking account essentially like that Um This makes no sense the way you're managing money Do you budget Now yes What's now Within the past like 2-3 months What changed Um I don't eat out at all anymore No what changed Why did you start doing a budget?

15:46Oh, why'd I start? Honestly, as you see there, the debit card was bouncing back. The credit card started bouncing back first. And that's where I was like, okay. I was like, this needs to... And once the Tesla bill was off of me, I felt like just a tiny bit of weight relieved off my shoulders. And it was like a message saying like, dude, you pay this off now or it's done. What do you want to do? I'm glad you changed it because that'd be ridiculous. Okay. Okay, so we also go, these cannot be gas, because you're getting gas on your Dasher thing, but the Wawa for$7, that has to be stopping and getting like a snack.

16:22Or are you only getting$7 of gas? It could be$7 of gas because you had nothing. Was that last month or no? Yeah. That was probably$7 of gas, yeah. Yeah, because you had no money in your account. Nothing left over, and I was like, okay, I get$7. That's it, yeah. Okay. Auto use,$212. That's my car note. Oh. $212, yeah. H &R Block Retail. That was taxes, yeah. Oh,$4.92 in taxes, so that's the tax payment you paid. Paying for parking, Dollar General$2.65. Barbera's Inc. It's my haircut. Oh, okay. Yeah, Barbera's house full. $52. I mean, right? It's not a$52 haircut, I know. I was going to say, why don't you just go to, you could go to Great Clips with that.

17:08It's nothing special. Something exciting. Neither does mine. I mean, but still And then parking Dave Inc. Isn't that a borrowing thing? So I thankfully Didn't do it I signed up for it And I was like I'm not gonna do this Okay, good Well, don't do it Because that'd be stupid And that was just so recent So don't even get tempted I got tempted $85 IRS Lens Crafters $493 Those glasses right there I'm assuming Yeah Which I got refunded for So there's your reoccurring Yes And 532 Apple Bustwood with the boys Is here to let you know That every college football Saturday FanDuel's dropping profit boosts that can turn wins into bigger wins.

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18:07Bill and Chick-fil-A. Don't go out to eat anymore. We're all right. and parking. You spent a lot on parking. Can I say for Chick-fil-A? Cash-shipping out$15, parking a dollar, parking, and bright MLS. What's a bright MLS? That's real estate, dudes. And the Chick-fil-A, that was for a friend. I owed him money and he's like, yo, you could buy me Chick-fil-A or you can give me the money. Well, stop owing your friends money. Parking again, cash-shipping out$20, so clearly, if you're owing someone something for that, and parking again. now Zelline to I think your girlfriend $164 and Zelline$625 those stats for rent and utilities

18:52and your rent for watching this video is clicking the subscribe button we're trying to get to 500 ,000 subscribers thank you to everyone who has subscribed so far you're all amazing, I love you, thank you do it, subscribe, please, for my life for my sake, you won't let me out here until you subscribe And then you have like nothing in savings Yeah nothing Which scares me but whatever FICO score this has been dropping down Why are you laughing so much is this a joke Are we here for jokes and giggles It's not a joke it's definitely just like It's the anxiety of it definitely Just wanted to make sure Started close to near 700 which okay great I mean you know Early 20s at that point Last year a year ago We're very close to 700 that's fantastic But we've dropped down below 600 and into the 591.

19:38Yeah. So the situation's only been getting worse. Yeah. We talked about a couple years of things going bad, but it's only been getting worse since here. I want to make sure I'm covering up anything sensitive. But look, the chart's only going down. We probably put it on screen anyway. But, I mean, this is what makes no sense to me. This card is better than the others, but we'll start racking up the debt. We're getting into the debt now. But a Macy's card, a stupid, stupid store card of all things, and it's a Macy's card, had a previous balance,$3 ,616. Okay, that's not good. What's good? $2 ,633 of payments.

20:17That's fantastic. But we're putting$33 on it. Why are we putting any money on a card that we're trying to pay off? That's barely any money compared to your payment. So compared to usual, okay, good. But$65 of interest, if we're losing$65 of interest and$0.16, why are we still spending money on there, leaving it with a$1 ,000 balance at the time of this statement? Yeah. So that one, I think, had a reoccurring bill, and they wouldn't let me lock it. And the reoccurring bills were here and there. I ended up just reporting. Why don't you cancel? I reported it as stolen. I was like, look, the card got lost.

20:44It wasn't. Why don't you just cancel the recurrence and move them? Because I didn't know how to do that. I'm like, look, these are websites that are from years ago. I'm just going to report the card and if I really need those reoccurring charges, I'll put them on my debit. With a$76.16 minimum monthly payment with$65 of stupid interest. Yeah. No, I looked at it. Once I saw your videos and I was like, how much interest am I accruing? It was high. Yeah. This is ridiculous. It was a monthly bill. And it's on a stupid Macy's card. It was HBO Max. Super easy to cancel and change. And Sephora, I don't know what that is.

21:20That was some real estate thing. Yeah, I was like, all right, I don't know. Total interest charge in 2023 so far,$316. $316, and again, your income is very fluctuating. Yeah. I mean, that's almost a half a month of jizz boy activities. So, I mean, already there. And that's just one card. Yeah. Now we go to the Discover. Again, this makes no sense, and we're being objectively stupid here, in my opinion. Discover, previous balance,$6 ,814,$302 of payments. That's double the minimum monthly payment. but$72 is stupid purchases. Again, I need to get into the logic or we're not going to overcome anything.

21:56Why are we purchasing on a card we're trying to pay off? If you've recognized in the past, okay, my situation's bad. I need to start doing good. I started doing good a couple of months ago. We've got back on some things. Why are we still purchasing on cards where you're losing$119.62 on a monthly basis in interest? Why are we spending? That one I couldn't tell you. Is that this past month? It's the most recent statement that I have no idea what it was spent on. The card is locked now? You've got a freaking budget, dude. Because if you don't even know where your money is stupid going, then that's just dumb.

22:27Yeah. You have to budget. $140 minimum monthly payment. Now, typically, I'm not angry at the person. I'm angry at the debt. But the one thing that does make me angry is when they've said, okay, I've started watching your stuff. Okay, I'm starting to get out of crap. But they're still spending money on a credit card. That makes me angry. That's the one thing that will make me angry at you. That is dumb. that urges being in denial but it doesn't sound like you're in denial but still $119.62 in interest that upsets me because the debt's bad doesn't upset doesn't make me angry at you specifically but audible purchases and the edge fitness that's probably what happened the other gym was like hey let me get that and that's where I locked the car that's where I locked it because that was an old gym I used to go to and they basically kept charging me and it was like, you come in here and you negotiate with us on what you want to do or, so I was like, I'm just going to lock the card.

23:24In 20 % interest. Yeah. Killing yourself, dude, with this. You're killing yourself with this. Low web, platinum rewards. I don't even know what that is. Police and a fire. That was my last name right there. Oh. Yeah, platinum rewards is the card, yes. Platinum, yeah, with a crazy thing. Oh, okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Current balance, $5 ,000 stupid $192.42 of stupid debt. Yeah. Disgusting. Now, where we've gotten over$10 ,000 in bad credit card debt at this point. We're like at, what, $12 ,000 almost? Yeah. And what's even more stupid, and this will make me angry, because this just comes down to just basic responsibility.

24:07Late fees all throughout the statement. We're not making our freaking payments on this. Yeah. As recent as March. March was just a thing that one I used you know I'm upset because even with this voice my voice got that high so that's when you know that's stupid and pisses me off yeah why are we missing stupid payments so this one this is terribly on me obviously when I signed up for it it was a balance transfer card because I had 0 % interest for 18 months something like that when I did that I didn't really think more past that I was like, cool. I have zero interest. Great. I didn't really ask, hey, when's my due date?

24:47Or hey, when do I have to pay this? Or what's a monthly? I really just opened the app here and there and would just be like, okay, cool. I owe a minimum balance. Great. I never actually checked the due date on it. So what have we discovered? You are? Irresponsible. You are? Not stupid. You are? Stupid. I thought you said you watched my content. What are you? I'm in debt. I'm bad with credit cards. Not a credit card person. You are not a credit card person. Not a credit card person Objectively Yeah What you just described Going into that situation You're not even close To a credit card person Yeah So will you cut these up Will you cut them up And end them I brought them here today You brought them here To cut them up Have a funeral for them Yeah Oh good And we'll do that Once we get through The credit cards But We have some Realty thing you're doing On here Wawa and Chipotle And Chipotle Taxi fried chicken Sushi That was bad dude Wawa That's over the past Like six months I know This isn't the past six months that I'm looking at past couple months yeah past couple months of FedEx and more realtor stuff in the spirit shop and Wawa yeah and again going back missed payments missed payments late fees missed payments missed payments and late fees and stupid and terrible it's just so bad now you said you have a car loan I don't have the car statement so what is your car my car is a 2015 uh Hyundai Sonata okay what's the balance what's going on I'm Arch Manning Viore athlete and college quarterback whether I'm running training traveling or just unwinding at home, I love doing it in my core shorts from Viore.

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26:508 ,500. What's the interest rate? Is this table nailed down? Because I feel like you're going to flip it, dude. Mind you, I had to get this car recently. I was in a car accident. You saw my credit score of the 591. Yeah, because you've just been getting further and further into maxed up debt almost. What? What? What is it? 16%. Oh, okay. okay what's the interest rate in minimum monthly payment what's the minimum monthly payment on that platinum card uh one I think it's 140 if I'm not mistaken and you're losing interest in something I couldn't see because it wasn't an actual statement it was just either way what's your minimum monthly payment on that card it was like 2 something 212 what's the term 60 oh I know let's cross fingers here right let's can I get a round of applause What else?

27:38What other debt do you have?

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27:43Oh, I have student loans. For a degree you did not get, correct? You dropped out? Yeah. Okay. What's the balance? 7 ,000 student loans. Are they all federal? Any private? 5 ,000 is federal. 2 ,000 is private. It got paused. Obviously, it's like August or so because of the... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Private wouldn't have been paused. Are you sure it's subsidized and unsubsidized, maybe? That's what it is. Okay. They're so federal. So they're all federal, yes. That is going to start relatively soon. I think your minimum monthly payment at$7 ,000 is probably going to be like$100. Something like that. Interest rates, you probably don't know what they're at, do you?

28:21Nope. Because they make it very hard to see while it's on pause. So I don't necessarily blame you for that. Yeah.

28:30But it's likely going to range anywhere from 2 % to, with the unsubsidized, 2 % to 6%. Okay. Maybe even 7%. We want to pay off that$2 ,000 probably pretty quickly. Either way, whatever. I'm scared, man. Take them out. Or do you want to lose all of them that are in here? All of them are in there, yeah. All of them? All of them that need to be. Nothing else is in here of importance? No, I mean, that's like that weird ID number, but I'm sure I have that in an app somewhere. I'm not going to cut that. I just want to make sure we don't get the information on screen. Of course. So we have Macy's. Yeah.

29:01Discover. Yep. the stupid is this another Macy's? So that was the one where I reported it as lost and then they gave me that one. Police and fire federal credit union. Credit union, yeah. I feel like you should do this. Hold it like this. Make sure the numbers cannot be seen. We'll blur them if they are. Yeah. I appreciate it. Cut it into the camera still, like up here. Oh, like up here. So people can see it. Jeez. They're kind of resisting it over here. There we go. They don't want to die like this. Can I do one at a time? Yeah. All right. One of the Macy's ones can probably stay, but he can go.

29:41Why? Good. Good. Let it leave your system. No more stupidity. We're done with dumb. We're done with dumb. Good lad. Good lad. And just for the pleasure of it, the one that's already been canceled. I reported. You had a good life. Good. No more stupidity. This is dumb. No more dumb. Dumb. No more dumb. It's gone. Get that out of here. We don't need that. Okay. So now it comes down to you actually cleaning up. Yeah. I can't. Because, okay, you said it's for anxiety, and I can appreciate that. But still, the giggly, the joking. And I know you're happy to be here. It's exciting. I'm happy to have you here, too.

30:39But I need to make sure you're actually willing to take it seriously and clean it up. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Will you buckle down? No, I really, like, when asks to eat out, I'm like, dude, if I'm starving, I'm headed home. I'm sorry. I'm going to make a sandwich at the house. Like, I'm not eating out anymore. I'm not going out anymore. and since when since the past it's like two months tops okay yeah so I mean obviously there's not a crazy dent in there but I'm like dude it has to go if I want to even think about savings or anything like that or having an emergency fund this stuff cannot be here $28 ,478 and mostly very terrible debt $5 ,000 of that is questionable with the student loans yeah that's a shitting amount of debt to have at 23 with zero retirement let me guess yeah Zero retirement.

31:28So it's the best decade of compound growth for you for retirement. But we have to put that on pause because we have$28 ,000 of really not great debt. Also known as really bad debt. But either way, minus the$5 ,000. So, oh, geez. Let's see what these minimum monthly payments. And we are going to include the student loans because they're going to start up and they're going to be thrown in this process. Yeah. So of the money that is basically unpredictable, one of your jobs, whether it be DoorDash or JizzBoy, is taking care of the minimum monthly payments of your debts. It's fully sucked up from that debt.

32:05And we don't even know what's coming in from the real estate because that's just going to ebb and flow as time goes on. You're going to have really good months. You're going to have really good quarters. You're going to have shitty months. You're going to have shitty quarters. So of the job that is consistently coming in, half of it immediately goes to$668 in minimum monthly payments on your card debt. What's your portion of the rent? $600. Okay. So immediately the rest of the income is gone. Now we're just hoping, hoping, hoping that we're closing real estate deals and getting that commission.

32:31Of course. Yeah. Utilities. What's your portion? Utilities including gas, electrical, internet as well. Typically like$100 a month. Your portion, that's all? Yeah. It's pretty cheap. Okay. Car insurance. $130 a month. And your parents' health insurance. Yeah, I have state covered until$25, I think.

32:55Okay. Okay. And your minimum debt is 668. Yeah. Okay. Groceries. Do you live with your girlfriend? What's your living situation? So I live with my girlfriend and her best friend. So I read about someone else. Yeah. Okay. Do you split groceries? Yeah. Okay. For the household? Household. I am going. You all split groceries? Yeah. We all split the price of groceries for the household. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to limit you. What if it's three people? I'm going to limit your grocery spending. All that you're allowed to contribute to it, they can do as much as they want. $200 is your max. Yeah, that's perfect.

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34:13Thank you. Okay, and then health insurance. Okay, good, good, good, good, good. Any other minimum monthly expenses that are required in your life in order to survive the two things? Gas How much are you doing with gas? I'm saying Well we actually We took that away from the DoorDash So nevermind Okay That's fine That's fine We won't include that Include that in your budget You should But you write You write it off And it comes out of your Dasher Yeah I typically use my Dasher account Because it gives me like 2 % back So I'm like Yeah But Any other minimum monthly expenses You can think of If you absolutely want to So there's I pay quarterly For real estate Like 85 bucks If you want to divide that by, I don't know, four or divide that by three.

34:56And that's how much I'd be paying a month. Oh, and then gym, obviously. And what's your gym? Uh, 37 a month. So that's, yeah, 37 a month there. And then the other one probably around twenties a month. I think it's fair to include. Yeah. Uh, so right now, 1 ,830, you bring in 750 jizz boy door dash 700 after gas, not after maintenance or anything like that. Yep. So right now The total guaranteed income If you work those If you do those And those are even if you go do those Is not enough to take care of it It's like$1 ,500 So your expenses Because of the debt you've ballooned Because you've probably gotten into The rent situation It's like as low as rent gets It's mostly the debt situation And then your income It just fluctuates too much I'm good with real estate I'm all about real estate I own rental properties and I'm obsessed with real estate, honestly.

35:53Yeah. And so I'm good with this. I'm good with pursuing this. And we might need to be driving Uber Eats a little more though. Of course. Until we get on. So I probably do it like two to three hours a day. I know I could push it to four to five, definitely. Four to five hours a day. And then obviously weekends more. So is there a percentage of my upcoming closings that I can count towards income? Because as you saw, that 2 ,600. Once it closes. That's it. then we can do it. But if something's just under contract but hasn't closed, we're not going to count that yet. You can be excited about it. You don't get the money until you get the money.

36:30The money's not guaranteed until it's guaranteed. So I don't make my financial decisions based on potential YouTube revenue next month. Of course. A few months from now. I'm only going off of what I'm actually making. So you're already over budgeted. I mean, you're 150 % over budget. I'm glad the money that you've made so far, the money's probably been allocated, right? In the last few months. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, it's already, the situation's honestly pretty, you have to bring in more money. Yeah. And sell as many houses as you can, grind, grind, grind, but every second you're not doing that, in between showings, drive that door dash.

37:05Yeah. Drive that door dash. Go, you know, wank into a thing as much as you can. Yeah. Whatever you gotta do that brings in money, do it, dude. You have to. because right now the situation is bad. I don't even know how to budget out your repayment because right now you can't repay. It's as simple as that. You can't repay. You can't put extra towards it. When you do, I would do Macy's, then the Platinum card, then the Discover card, then the CAR, and then the$2 ,000 of likely higher interest student loans, and then minimum monthly payment on the lower interest,$5 ,000. Most likely you have to look and see what those interest rates are.

37:45Minimum monthly payments on them, until they're fully paid off is what I would do. What's the condition in your car? How many miles? 70 ,000. Okay. So I'm going to run her into the ground. Okay, yeah. I bet you have a while. You should have a while. I should. I should have at least. You're taking care of it? I am. Oil changes, brake fluid, everything, transmission fluid, all that stuff. Beautiful. It's my moneymaker on all three ends. I need it for all my ventures. Let's just, just for the sake of argument, say you're bringing in that$60 ,000 a year from that and then the other things. Can you put that on camera?

38:21Like the cross-eyed face. $76 ,800 with all the incomes combined. 0.2 for taxes. Because I could write off most of it. Yeah. Okay. So that's going to be... $60 ,000 a year after taxes. Ish. As if everything goes 100 % perfectly. 100%. 100 % perfectly. I always give a 50%. I'd be like, all right, I say half my deals fall through. I'm not even talking about deals falling through. I'm just talking about keeping up consistent deals for the rest of the year as well. So we're just basing what the rest of the year is going to look like based on what's already happened. We can't necessarily do that. Yeah, that's true.

39:01It's a real estate. Either way, we're just saying we do. This whole situation still takes, and that's if you put every single penny towards it, every single stupid, every single penny that you have, it's probably going to take an extra 14 months to fully pay off then an extra 6 months on top of that for an emergency fund an extra 9 months maybe for an emergency fund so now we're talking 2 years of absolutely nothing nothing but working and grinding and grinding if everything's absolutely perfect and you make that much money that's a big if so this is why we're working DoorDash constantly you are grinding and learning everything as you can go under the wing of a mentor for real estate I don't care what it is you just need to be working.

39:45Maybe you get certified in something through, again, course careers. I always mention them. And then get a job on the side. Something that's, you know, in the tech world. I don't even know. It doesn't matter. You can look and see what you're interested in. But as much as you can work 80 hours a week, that's what you need to do to get out of this. Because right now, with just what you're doing, we're not getting out of it. Yeah. We're just not. We're paying, we're barely even paying minimum monthly payments you're going to start making missing payments like you did last month on one of those card late fee yeah that was a month ago so we're clearly in a position where you just got to work your off yeah what are you actually going to do what are you going to do with this income situation tell me i need to know um so i i try my best to i mean as you see it's literally impossible but just to survive on the sperm donations and DoorDash, which I obviously have to pick up more DoorDash, like you said.

40:42Yeah. And then any closing that I get, typically around the$3 ,000 to$4 ,000 range, I'm trying to just, and that's what I did with my last one is you saw the$2 ,600 towards Macy's. I'm trying to put at least 50 to 60 % of that money straight towards just the debt. So any money that I make off of real estate, 100 % of it goes towards debt and I just want to live off of. But you can't live off of Jizz Boy and DoorDash Exactly Because you're, again,$1 ,830 versus the$1 ,500 you bring in Well, that's where I hope when I pay the debts down Obviously those interest rates and the minimum monthly payments Those go down Yes, that will start And if I do more DoorDash, I can kind of make up that difference of$300,$400 This is a real good story about Bronx and his dad, Ryan Real United Airlines customers We were returning home and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx If he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Captain Andrew I got to sit in the driver's seat I grew up in an aviation family, and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me of myself when I was that age.

41:36That's Andrew, a real United pilot. These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain. Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever. That's how good leads the way. If I door dash for another two to three hours a week, I know I can push that difference of a couple of bucks. You're kind of forced to. I'm forced to, yeah. And what I really would do, just because your jobs are all hustle. All hustle. They're all hustle. So the next couple months, while you make more money, put at least$2 ,000 aside. Gotcha. Because that covers your minimum monthly expenses for a month.

42:11So you can figure things out if anything bad happens. Yeah. Put that aside in a high yield. Don't touch it. And then after this, take it up to like$15 ,000 as an emergency fund in a couple years. But again, it's still two whole years if everything goes well Like 100 % perfect So I am nervous about that The market could slow down for real estate more than it has This could be a five year process or you're forced to get another job I don't even know The market could take up and you could be like every realtor for the past couple years And make it a killing And turn this into a one year thing So could you, I mean, it might be more to do, but how would it look if I was just paying off the credit cards first versus paying it all off immediately?

43:01What do you mean? I said pay off Macy's first, then Platinum, then Discover, then Card, then Bad Student Loans. I'm talking the money-wise as far as how long would it take me to just pay off that$12 ,000 instead of the$28 ,000? Because that's where I really am solely tunnel visioned on is the credit cards. But your car's at 16 % and you're barely in the 60-month period of it. So the interest is coming out heavy. So it needs to be paid off as well. Yeah, I know you're right. The only thing I'm saying you can minimize is the$5 ,000 of the student loans. And we already did. Yeah. We already did because you're just doing minimum payments until those are paid off if they're under 5 % interest.

43:39Especially if they're under 4 % interest. Yeah. I'm assuming the$2 ,000 are likely going to be 6 % or higher. so we want to pay those off because it doesn't make sense to invest in the stock market that averages eight percent if it's over six percent not necessarily we'd rather just get that yeah okay so it all yeah no it all needs to come down all of it it does and then i think the way you do that is this it's mostly the snowball a little bit of the avalanche avalanche you attack high interest rates first to low snowballs you do low balances to high so you're mostly doing low balances the high when it comes to the credit cards and car but then the student loans because they're the lowest interest rate even though they're one of the small list with the high interest one we're still saving that for the end so it's a mixture of both methods gotcha and because they're paused right now anyway for a couple more months what that was a lot longer than i thought it'd be because i'm like i have a couple uh well that's what that's what that's what happens and again that's in the most optimistic scenario so be more optimistic by working more getting another job that you might be qualified just work 80 hours a week yeah girlfriend won't like it but she'll like it if you guys are together for the long term and you're out of debt and you're investing she's completely behind me on it like look dude whatever you gotta do you're not paying like we go out and I'm like dude if she has to go out it's terrible because I mean like obviously race traditionally the other way around but if we go out and like she wants to get something I'm like she's like I'll pay for it doesn't matter because she makes decent money has a savings has all that stuff set up so she's like I'll pay for it it's cool so she's very behind me I'm like, look, you pay off these debts because I see that you stress about them.

45:10Get it done, dude. She's like, just whatever you have to do to – obviously, like you said, there's more time in my life. And this is the best time in my life to start investing and get stuff done. And again, in the most optimistic scenario, you'll be out of this and have a fully funded emergency fund by the time you're 25. So you'll still have the second half of the best decade of your life. Yeah. But – Most optimistic scenario. I'm afraid this is going to take until close to 30s, depending on do we have – is everything going as well as we thought? Yeah. Real estate, I cannot predict that for you.

45:41Of course. We've had a lot of people on this show going to real estate. And suck. And it hasn't been great. I know. That was my first entire year. I sucked. I was terrible. This year, I'm tripling my, I mean, last year, I mean, like. Well, it's easier to triple when it's coming from a dollar. Yeah. So I was like, okay, cool. I'm tripling. Let me just keep this momentum up. And obviously, it could die, like you said. So I'm just like. I wouldn't expect mathematically for it to triple forever. Of course. Yeah. But if I can keep it around that$60 ,000 range,$50 ,000,$70 ,000, I can... That'd be great.

46:09It'd be amazing. I hope you do. Yeah. Are we going to go off of hopes? No. I don't know. Partially. I mean, we'll kind of. We'll kind of go off of it, yeah. But instead, what I would do is I'd get out there every single day and just grind. Yeah. Not just the real estate, but the real estate. So tell me what you're actually going to do. What is everything going to look like? What's your spending going to look like? What's your budgeting going to look like? What's your income going to look like? What is your actual life going to look like? Go. Yeah. So I got one thing. I've been to this. I have to increase DoorDash.

46:37DoorDash has to go up that$7.50 a month or whatever it was. Needs to push higher than that. I could easily do it. It's literally just my mind where I'm like, dude, obviously there's a lot of will and discipline involved in all of this. So DoorDash needs to go up, and I know I can do that. And as far as everything else, as far as spending goes, I've been doing better. I mean, if you've seen my past stuff, like you saw on the police and fire, there was Chipotle, Wawa, Chipotle, Chipotle buffet. It was bad. It was sometimes twice a day. Uh, so that's done. Like all of it's done. All my cards are locked and cut up.

47:13So it's straight debit card and I can see exactly how much and everything that I do buy now I'm looking at it like, okay, that's 20 % interest on that because it's not going towards that. We move them from your digital wallet as well. Yeah. It was out there. Digital wallets done. They've, yeah, they've, I've thankfully never put them in anything. So digital wallets done. It's just debit now. And yeah, like I said, I have credit karma. Thank you. I see your videos all the time and people pull it up. I literally look at the number every night and I'm like, that's a huge number. This is a terrible credit score.

47:43How much, if I just take a chunk out of it, how much less am I paying? If I just take a chunk out of it here, what day, what month am I done by? Like I said, in my head, I kept it mainly credit cards. I'm like, okay, 12 ,000. I can stomach that in a couple of months. I could pay $12 ,000 off in three months if real estate goes well with what I have already under contract. Great. When you pull in everything, and obviously the car note's terrible, and the student loans, that's, I'm going to have to almost snowball my mind on it too. I want a tunnel vision and just be like, it's only credit cards.

48:12Just pay these credit cards off. And then when the car debt comes around and the credit cards are paid off, but it's only a car debt. Pay this car debt off. And then once it comes to student loans, because holy crap, that's a lot more than I was walking in here feeling. Because I'm walking in here feeling like, okay, I'm going to make a couple thousand in the next few months. Credit cards are paid off. I'm done. But so like I said, no more eating out at all. Working more. I could definitely do that. And I have this support behind me. There's no reason I can't. Yeah. And then hope that, like I said, I want to, by the age of 25, I want to start investing in a Roth IRA.

48:48I want to start investing. I want to have an emergency fund. I want to have money put to the side for actual entertainment or some kind. It's crappy. And like I said, most of my life and with the Tesla and everything that I had, it was all just keeping up, having pride and all that. And I pridefully could not sell that car. I would have probably died in debt, a hundred grand before selling that car. But I got in a car accident and it was like, okay, cool. This is the perfect time to actually get my shit together. So, dude, had you seen this when I had that$900 car note and insurance together, it would have probably just been like yeah you're just gonna die like good luck dude so i know this looks like crap this is optimistic more much more optimistic to me um so i feel it i feel the momentum behind me now and like i know it's it might die off my momentum i die and i i can't let it like if i want to make sure you save up your two thousand dollars before you start going crazy okay that's doable for lyle it's gonna be a difficult situation to get out of especially with the income that's being shown.

49:45So really, he just needs to buckle down, get that income up through whatever hustles he wants to do. But as long as the income is coming in, that is the solution to this issue. For his hammer financial score, spending within a budget, well, he was clearly missing payments on some credit cards only a month ago. And the income to his spending, the spending is well over the income. And that's just for his needs category. So it's going to be a zero out of 10 debt one out of 10 one and not a zero because there's no irs debt or debt in collection so he gets a point there retirement nothing zero out of 10 emergency fund nothing zero out of 10 real estate nothing zero out of 10 so aggregate that comes down to a zero out of 10 we haven't had one of those in a while don't forget to check out the resources in the description below and feel free to follow me on instagram and twitter and adam don't forget to move to the united states thanks

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