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Podcast Summary: Financial Audit - Episode: 40-Year-Old Can't Afford To Survive
Episode Overview In this episode titled "40-Year-Old Can't Afford To Survive," host Caleb Hammer interviews Dominga Titus, a 40-year-old resident of Austin, Texas, who is facing significant financial struggles. The discussion revolves around her current financial situation, including income, expenses, debts, and overall financial health. The episode emphasizes the importance of budgeting, communication about finances within a household, and making sacrifices for long-term stability.
Key Highlights
- Introduction of Guest: Dominga shares her background, touching on her previous experiences with homelessness, spending addictions, and the dynamics of her marriage related to finances.
- Job and Income Changes: Dominga discusses her recent promotion that increased her salary by $15,000, but also the setbacks faced with her husband's job loss.
- Relationship Dynamics: The couple previously handled finances separately, leading to misunderstandings and lack of communication about financial responsibilities.
Main Discussions
Current Financial Situation
- Income:
- Dominga now makes $54,000 as an office manager for the state, working 40 hours a week with benefits.
- The household income situation worsened after her husband's job loss, making her the sole income provider.
Spending Habits and Debt
- Spending Patterns:
- Dominga admits to compulsive spending, particularly on online shopping and dining out, despite claiming to have made some progress by deleting the Amazon app.
- A significant portion of her monthly budget goes to non-essential purchases like dining out and entertainment.
- Debt Overview:
- She has approximately $40,000 in bad debt, including a car loan with a 24% interest rate, credit card debt, and student loans.
- The discussion reveals that the family is living paycheck to paycheck, although much of the spending is discretionary.
Budgeting and Financial Strategies
- Need for Budgeting:
- Caleb emphasizes the necessity of creating and sticking to a budget, which Dominga agrees is essential but admits to struggling with.
- The importance of combining incomes for household budgeting is highlighted, stressing the need for teamwork in managing finances.
- Emergency Fund and Debt Repayment:
- Discussion about the need for a small emergency fund of at least $4,000 and a plan to prioritize debt repayment by focusing on the highest interest debts first.
Relationship Challenges
- Communication on Finances:
- The couple struggles with open communication about finances, leading to tension and misunderstandings regarding spending and responsibilities.
- Dominga is encouraged to consider couples therapy to facilitate better communication about their financial goals.
Key Takeaways
- Financial Awareness: Dominga needs to become more aware of her spending habits and how they impact her overall financial health.
- Emergency Preparedness: Establishing an emergency fund is crucial to avoid future financial crises.
- Team Approach: Combining finances and open communication between partners is essential for financial stability.
- Financial Education: Continuous learning and seeking professional help, such as therapy and budgeting assistance, can aid in making better financial decisions.
Final Thoughts The episode concludes with Caleb providing a stark financial score of 0 out of 10 for Dominga's current situation, emphasizing the need for significant change and discipline in her spending habits. The discussions serve as a wake-up call for listeners about the importance of financial literacy, responsibility, and the potential consequences of neglecting personal finances.
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00My name is Dominga Titus. I am 40 years old in Austin, Texas and this is Financial Audit. Well, thank you for coming on here. So this is a follow-up episode. You don't need to have watched the previous episode to watch this one because this is going to be any other financial audit, just like all of the financial audits. But to give just a little bit of context, we had a conversation last time. We talked about the family dynamic, how you and your husband don't share finances at all. Things are very separate. They're like incredibly separate. And you have experienced homelessness in the past with your kids.
0:34That was very traumatic and, you know, trying to not replicate anything like that in the future. But there was definitely spending addictions, things on Amazon, just multiple, multiple a day and just draining the income in endless amount of debts to pay off. So that was the background previous. Yes. How are we looking today? How do you feel the last six months or so has progressed? So there was a huge upswing for a while there. I landed a job before I was a contractor, and I was not doing that great, but I landed a full-time job with about a$15 ,000 raise in income per year. However, there have been a couple of setbacks.
1:11I had a total hysterectomy. I had a couple of hit-and-run car accidents that I had to deal with, and my husband lost his job two months ago. Oh, no. So just some of the layoffs that we're seeing? Something like that, yeah. Something like that, okay. Well, what's your current job? I work for the state. So it's an office manager job, and it's 40 hours a week, two days remote. It's a great situation for me. Healthcare, everything I needed that I wasn't finding before. Hourly or salary? Salary. What's your salary? 54. 54, cool. But, of course, this is coming to now a single household income. Yes. But last time, again, you guys split it in very weird ways.
1:52Yes. So just remind us of how it was operating versus how it's operating now in terms of the income. So I'm the primary breadwinner. I have been always in our relationship. And so I was paying all the bills. And then he would, I guess, pay me back for portions of those. After the last audit, we went home and I broke it down by numbers. And he ended up paying about 40 % of our household bills. Oh, okay. So it turned out that I just wasn't aware of how much he was helping. But it still wasn't a set or reliable amount. And it was kind of a, hey, can you cover me? Can you spot me? I never had to pay him back.
2:22But it was more of a first me, then you. so um yeah so i guess it kind of set us up for him losing the job because not a whole lot changed other than that i had to pay a little more towards everything so how is the marriage holding up um i mean our marriage is surprisingly well i guess there were a lot of comments and questions on the last video about that but um i feel like our marriage as far as the relationship is good but um we're having more talks about finances and that's been a little bit of a tumultuous situation. I'm just trying to figure out where we both stand and how much we're willing to give to the other in terms of leeway, I guess.
3:00Is it giving to each other, though, or is it giving to the household? Well, I think part of it was that we weren't communicating about finances. We can talk about everything but money because I am hard-headed and I'm a spender and he just didn't want to have fights with me. If you don't want to have fights with me, hit that subscribe button because I am trying to get to 500 ,000 subscribers And thank you to everyone who has subscribed so far. So there was an upswing. And then obviously there were some things that happened. But in terms of the debt, in terms of some of the spending and stuff like that, have we made progress with things happening?
3:31So I deleted the Amazon app after that episode. Good. And it has remained off my phone. Good. There are still some Amazon purchases. Yeah, I was going to say. Yes. But I literally have to log in. I don't say logged in. Like I have to go through the steps and make conscious decisions to get into the app. Yeah. with my i'm still sober by the way a year and six months um thank you and that's kind of what i learned with my addictions is i need to really work for it if i want it so i'd sit there and things would sit in my um cart for a while and they're definitely not so much splurge splurges as they were before like i wasn't buying unnecessary furniture for the house or things like that um i know you saw some amazon purchases a lot of those are again subscriptions for like household goods but i also had a big work event recently that i had to buy some things for for myself it was um signing to buy like a whole outfit i know it sounds silly it was a it was like a it's a i don't know how to describe it without you're telling me you didn't have any outfits not no because i have lost weight so i haven't had so so yeah i can i can actually tell you i didn't um and it was uh my son's birthday was right after his job loss my uh ex-husband husband's job loss and um so i stupidly did some i know you noticed some after pay financing Yes, you did Which I had done so well too I had done so well What about partners on debts?
4:55Let's see, I had a credit card debt I think that I've been paying down every month At like$300 to$400 a month You had some collections as well? Yeah, there was a stupid collection Where I forgot to pay my daughter's clarinet rental And so I'm catching up on that And returning the instrument Because she actually quit band Let's see, I can't remember what else there was I think that was the primary one was a music instrument rental. We're going to look into where your financial situation stands today. In terms of like a score 0 out of 10 of your personal finances, what would you say you are? Do you know what's stupid?
5:29I do. Paying so much money every month just for cell phone coverage when you could just take 15 minutes to get cell phone coverage with Mint Mobile for as low as$15 a month. I partner with them for that specific reason. Use your money in a better way. So make sure you go to mintmobile.com forward slash hammer. Let's use our money in better ways. Love you. Let's get back to the episode. I'm still like a four. Four? Yeah. Okay. Ten being the best. Four, yeah. Yeah. I think last time it was, there wasn't scores at that time, but it would have been pretty much a one. So you think you've improved by three points?
6:05Yeah, I think, I don't know. You see it, but I feel it. All right. Well, let's do this thing then. Let's jump into the monies. I have two checking accounts here. Okay. So in this first one, we started with 873, but we ended with 113. Are there automatic withdrawals on this? Yes, there's a car payment. Okay, well, that makes me very nervous. And an insurance payment, things that are automatically taken out. There's a car payment. Okay, so there are other debts than just a credit card. Okay. So, yeah, that makes me very nervous, especially in a household with two kids. Yes. Two kids, a husband with no job and questionable plan-inship relationship, ending with 113 makes me a little nervous with automatic withdrawals.
6:51If people are perfectly down to the cent budgeting, that makes – I'm not nervous and they're manually paying things. That makes me nervous in your situation. Another thing that makes me nervous, all these green things. If we're making progress, the green things. So why are we clearly – if there are debts to pay off that are bad and we talked about budgeting, did you actually follow a budget? Yes, I created a whole spreadsheet. Well, it's clearly you're not doing it then, right? I'm leaving the amount of money I need to leave in there and I'm living paycheck to paycheck. So my idea of budgeting is not correct yet.
7:24Not living paycheck to paycheck. You're spending so much on just crap. That's not paycheck to paycheck. You are choosing to leave paycheck to paycheck, but not in the way where it's like forced to. No. Because, again, Jimmy John's, An afterpay of$52, an afterpay of$22. We're afterpaying. I thought we were beyond this, right? Weren't we beyond this? We were. PayPaling, Etsy, and Pluckers, a very expensive$103. Ring, monthly bills, Audible, Klarna. We're Klarna-ing for$24. Who knows how many of the payments there are there? Spotify, and Suma, and Parking, and PayPaling out, and Disney Plus, and donating to KUT$10.
8:09If we're living paycheck to paycheck, are we donating$10? And Amazon, we're going back to Amazon. I thought we were just deciding we were never going to do it again. And McDonald's, and Afterpay, and Afterpay, and Afterpay, by the way, of which were$32,$45,$30. And Klarna,$50. Little Caesars, Marina's Kitchen. Oh, guess what? There's another page with green lines. Green lines equal purchases you do not need to do. Water Lice, Tipioca, Mexican Supermaid, and Cinemark Movie Club, and Little Caesars, and Going to a Bakery, and Half Price Books, and Amazon Prime Video, and Green Mesquite, and Text Tag, which is tolls.
8:49You don't need to take tolls. Apple Bill, Apple Bill, Apple Bill, Afterpay, Affirm, Affirm. Why are we doing Affirm at this point with where we know we've been, where we're trying to get, and where we can't budget? If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. We're doing Affirm for$139 in Amazon Marketplace and McDonald's and Marshall's and Air Trampolines and Cinemark and Cinemark and Tipioga and Circuit or Cricket. That's for my crafting business. Do we need to be crafting? Paycheck to paycheck. And Chick-fil-A,$35 in McDonald's and Afterpay, Afterpay, Afterpay, Afterpay. Netflix, and transferring out Peacock.
9:34It's for Peacock and Sally Beauty and Dairy Queen. Again, another page. Look how many green lines.
9:47Klarna, MyFCM,$75. Metapay, something children, and Bedro Pecan Farm, and Waterloo Ice House. We're obsessed with that place. Then Amazon and Amazon and Tipioca and Five Below and PayPal and Jason's Deli and Moody Center and Mariana's, Afterpay, Google Storage, Amazon Marketplace, Amazon, Apple, Wag Pet, Dirty Martinez. Okay, fun fact. Out of all these purchases here, easily 80, 85 to 90 % of them are things you do not need. You are not paycheck to paycheck. That is bull. don't bullshit we don't bullshit here that's not paycheck to paycheck that is choosing to put those purchases over actually paying off debts actually living actually saving actually investing we are choosing to be paycheck to paycheck you are not in the literal sense paycheck to paycheck correct okay okay thank you so why'd you say that come on well that i don't know that because i'm literally spending all my paycheck till the next paycheck i guess yeah you were just spending it's bullshit money this is bull spending this was insane this was crazy and we have debts to pay off if we have car payments if we have all these things if what's your retirement account look like today um god i just started it in january or december that's your only retirement account ever i think i told you in the last one i ended up cashing out the only other one that's right and you're 40 so we have no retirement so the best two years of your life for compound growth are complete or two decades of your life for compound growth are completely gone you're starting retirement you You want to make sure you're actually able to retire so that your kids are not forced to take care of you as a responsible parent, right?
11:28So we're putting pluckers above all that stuff, which is a wings place. And we're putting that above retirement and taking care of ourself. We're taking that above having an emergency fund and taking care of ourself. We're putting pluckers above paying off car debt, credit card debt, and all these other financing things instead of taking care of ourself. So I feel like maybe some mental progress was made, but financially, have we really? What's awesome and that we can celebrate is that you are a year and a half sober or whatever the exact thing is. That's incredible. But again, the same conversation.
12:03I think some of the addictive personality has been put on eating out constantly, has been put on all these different shopping things. I always speak about mental health here and therapy. Have you sought out a therapist? I am starting this week, actually. Good. Is it because of the health insurance now? No, actually. No. I'm just changing therapists. I had the VA before, and I've decided to change things out because things have been going down mental health-wise. Oh, why? Why is that? No, it's just the whole job situation and all that. It's a lot of pressures in life. Absolutely. And that directly impacts mental health.
12:43And we're nothing without our brain. so as life stuff surrounds us and it gets more and more complicated more and more you know hard in general I will say I wish I could show you more months because there were a couple months where I really was paying the bills and I had savings and we ended up going through because of the job loss so it's the job loss you think that has affected most things here financially speaking I'm not going to put it all on that because obviously I still had I have these habits that are still affecting us but it's definitely exacerbated the situation. It's just instead of stopping what I was doing, it's continued.
13:24So, yeah. Yeah. If we know we're in a position where we're just struggling to pay for things, why are we taking care of all these? Why are we doing all these finance options? If you know you can't purchase, why are you still purchasing? And that was for a few months after our last visit. It was if I can't buy it outright, I can't afford it. in the last couple months. So what changed? I know we had the job change in terms of maybe some savings and stuff like that, but what changed in terms of the mentality of, okay, well now we're going to start financing things again, now we're going to go out to eat every day again.
13:57What changed? I don't know. Do you think you just lost some discipline? Did you get off the track? Probably. I know I did. I mean, even going to the gym stopped. Multiple things that I was doing to take care of things stopped. So, yes. And that's part of the reason I did seek out to change my medicines and to go to a different doctor. Okay. So I'm thinking you're bringing in about after taxes and everything and health insurance, about$3 ,750 a month, something like that. That's correct. You'll have child tax credits as well, of course. But, okay, we have another checking account to look at.
14:41You are bullying yourself with these purchases. There is a better balance in here of$850. But Apple bills, and this is what upset me. This is just pending within a day. Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon. For Amazon purchases. This is something we were trying to deal with last time. So it just scares me that even if progress was made that I couldn't see, we're back to where we were. And that's unsustainable. And that is scary for the rest of your life. Etsy, Prime Video, PayPal it out, Prime Video, Tuckerito, PayPal, PayPal, Afterpay, Afterpay, Afterpay. Come on, these are like 50 bucks each. And Dairy Queen and Amazon and Amazon, Applebills, Cinemark Movie.
15:32This crap is adding up. so we're just spending so much money and we can't do that we can't afford that if we have practically zero dollars in retirement what's in your savings um currently like 275 we headed up to almost 3 000 but it's gone so okay and then what we've added up here is in terms of different subscriptions and stuff you've done,$233. Then that, $840 of going out to East Bend. $840 of your $3 ,750 that are back. Gas,$280. So lots of stuff driving. It's closer to$4 ,000. We saw $4 ,000 hit your payroll. Sorry, I should have said that. So an extra$250, I was guessing. Afterpay, Klarna, affirm your payments,$740.
16:29$54 is what you've paid towards that stuff. And those will be done this month. And I'm going to say it again. I'm going to stop using them. And then BridgeCross, big thing there,$558 as well. That's the car payment. And then Wag Pet Donation,$303. It was a dog, I know. You can't do that. You can't do that. I want you to give so much, but you can't do that now when you can't even give it to yourself. You can't even give it to your own retirement savings,$200 in the savings. We cannot be donating Donate eventually We can't now It's not a thing It can't be Do you still have credit card on your phone?
17:09Um I don't know I don't have an account Because it sent me an email the other day Go ahead and look it up And download it if you don't have it
17:20Oh yeah Okay, I'm between low 600s High 500s Well A payment history of 14%. Okay. Remind me of the student loan thing. Has 41 missed payments? Oh, yes, because I just wasn't working for those two years, or a year and change. So I am paying every month, too. But it's a very small portion of those in an IRS debt that I'm still paying towards.
17:54How much is owed To the student loans? Like$38 ,000 Still?
18:04$38 ,000 What's your minimum monthly? I think I worked it out Towards$75 ,000 twice a month So$150 ,000 It's barely chipping at anything What's the interest rate? God, I can't remember I can't see on here? You couldn't get your statement?
18:25I might have it but I don't have it on me. No progress is being made on these with missing and stuff. U.S. Department of Education. Have they started garnishing wages? No. Because you're currently on time with the payments but we're just not making any progress. We want to pay these off as soon as we can because I can tell this is going to be like usually with student loans it's like minimum monthly payments but yeah and then you're missed right now on the instrument. The instruments. So what are you doing with it? Pain. Pain. Like I'm behind. You returned it? Yes, because I still owe a balance from when we had it in our possession.
19:04Why didn't you $861? Mind you, that fast food, the food going out could have covered this entire thing. Yeah? So why are we even doing this? Again, that's where I get a little upset at the spending. What's the monthly payment on this thing? The instrument is$56 a month Do you know the interest? No, because they're just asking me to pay back what I owe Okay And the Department of Education Yeah, these are terrible Negative 6 % paid Negative 6 % paid Negative 5 % paid Negative 4 % paid Negative 3 % paid Negative 4 % paid Negative 6 % paid Oh, no, that's right Bridgecrest The car Oh Sorry for the Volca fry Still getting over something in my throat Doesn't feel like anything but yeah I'm just like Volca frying Okay 3 % paid off What is the car again What is the what I'm sorry What's the car It's a Honda Accord Year 2015 Okay Is it worth$21 ,000?
20:17It only had 38 ,000 miles on it when I got it. Yeah, but it's... Okay. Well, we can look. $21 ,000. When did you get it? In January. My car... You just got it! My car broke down. No!
20:34What was owed on the last car? So we've gone further into debt, is what I'm hearing. So from last time we were making progress... And it's 75 months. It's 75 months. 75 months. I'm making double payments on it, but not anymore since he lost his job. I made four payments in two months. It doesn't even matter because it's$558 a month. That's an insane payment for your... What is the interest rate on this? You have to know the interest rate on this. Yeah, it's like 21%. Are you sure it's 21 %? Because they think it's 24%. Oh, maybe it's 24. 24 % loan? You went and signed up for a 24 % loan? No. Okay.
21:18So, uh, okay. Okay. Okay. This is blowing my mind right now. We're further in the hole. We've gone worse. We've gone worse. You've seen probably some of my other videos. We had a conversation. How could we possibly, if you're trying to get into a right situation four months ago, four months ago, after our video was already done well within a few months before that, why would we go get a$21 ,000 loan at 24 %? How is that? Did someone talk you into it? Was the husband like okay with it? Where were we? I need to know how you did this. I needed a vehicle. Yeah, but why'd you do this? Why'd you not go get a crappy$5 ,000 car?
22:00I don't even care that a mechanic like says is drivable and will get you somewhere safe and is from like the mid-2000s for a while while you saved up some money, a bit at least, or$10 ,000 with a loan of this interest rate because your credit score is really bad. But why did you decide to go over$20 ,000 on a 2015 card that's probably not worth that? I don't know. We can look up. But why? If there's no why, then what that immediately screams to me, and this is not to be rude, but what this immediately screams to me is that you're doing this until you're 70. over and over and over and over and over again.
22:39No progress. If this just happened halfway after between now and the last episode we recorded with you. Please, there has to be some why. Okay, fine. Why did you not get a$10 ,000 car? I could not find financing to get a$10 ,000 one and I only had$3 ,000 in hand. That doesn't make sense. You got financing for a$20 ,000 one? I tried different credit unions. They didn't help me. I tried different financing options. Did you look at personal loans and stuff as well? Yes, I did. I went through my bank. I went through. Who approved you for this? Bridgecrest was the, that's the financing company. At the auto place?
23:18Yeah, Carvana, yeah. Okay. Why didn't you get a$10 ,000 car at Carvana? They would, it would not go through for a$10 ,000 finance. I tried different. Did you go to other dealerships? Yes. Right here in Austin, and that was the national one. and then there was another one who wanted to put me in a different, it wasn't going to be any, it was going to be more than that. It sounds like they were just refusing to get you. They wanted a higher sale. They were using the leverage of you needed a finance to them to get that. So, I mean, I wasn't there. I don't know. I haven't seen all the loans. But it kind of blows my mind that, I mean, this is a predatory loan.
23:59Like, you could, if you could get this for this, you could get it for$10 ,000. I wasn't there I haven't seen the whole situation But there's no way that doesn't make sense In my mind Unless I'm missing something I'm always happy to learn something But this doesn't make sense This is predatory Almost$600 Almost$600 for Six years That's bad Good news is you lost weight Since the last time we talked but I gained weight So you can yell at me for that I'll yell at you for this you yell at me for that
24:36Okay, I'm scared Like what do we do from here? Can we make a budget? Will you actually follow a budget? Like, I Again, this might sound rude And some people have found this rude But I'm going to say this just to put things into perspective for you As a parent And I am not a parent But we can talk about this from an economic point And responsibility point If we are going further into debt If we are choosing to eat out and go do these things that are fun and we are not contributing as much to paying off the debts and then eventually retirement so that you can have a full place to retire equals irresponsibility.
25:14Because what are you doing in that situation when you are choosing food and new cars at$20 ,000 with a predatory loan over these responsibilities? You are saying that you are forcing your children to then take care of you when you're in your 70s Because you have nothing saved up and have to rely on social security if it even exists at that point That's what you are choosing now Do you understand that? Does that make sense? Yes Okay Okay Have you ever thought about it like that? No Okay, well maybe that's what we need to hear right now so that we can do what is right and overcome it. Because you had a fire lit under your butt, and this is what scares me every single time, is you had a fire lit under your butt for a couple months, but then a setback will happen, a little setback will happen, a setback will happen.
26:02Even a major one like a car thing, and I do understand that. But we can't let that derail our entire life. We need you to be able to take care of yourself. What about the husband? Does he have any in retirement for you both? Has he been applying for jobs like as a full-time job? Mm-hmm. Okay. What job did he have? He was a retail manager. A retail manager. But retail is hiring like crazy. Mm-hmm. I mean, he's putting the job. I'm helping him put in the job application. Is he not willing to take a temporary job of working$15 an hour in retail just to make some money for 40 hours a week? He has not gotten callbacks.
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26:48I don't know. We're both applying. He's applied at grocery stores and things like that. I have a place. My friend used to work at a place of retail. She has a better job now. But they call her almost every other week because they're like, we need people to work. Come, please work here just a couple hours a week. Then I have another friend who does work in retail. She's a younger sister of one of my friends here. She's a friend. And they're giving everyone raises to stay there because they're desperate to try to retain people because so many people are leaving. And then they have a hard time hiring people.
27:17if he looked around Austin I'm not saying he can get a retail manager position right now that might be the harder one to find but we could at least get him something where he's bringing him money because there's a family to take care of he's only taking care of himself and he just wants to you know if he's not willing to sacrifice and go down to a job he might seem he might feel is beneath him like okay fine whatever that's you I mean I would still you know slap him around a bit but with the family aspect of it we got to be bringing in something so we can make progress does he have debts? No, I mean, he's got his car.
27:50He paid off or bought outright. No, I mean, he doesn't have credit cards. He doesn't have... Good. No, so no. Can you do something for me that I think might help? Lock your credit. Lock your credit so you can no longer do a firm and all that crap. So you can't apply for credit. I mean, you can unlock your credit and then you can do it. But again, you talked about those barriers Making things harder for you Is a way to help And again, this is something that I think when you deal with your actual Mental health with your therapist You'll actually find better solutions Because that's not I need extremes In the last few years, I need to work in extremes If that's what it takes To stop my spending, then that's what I do Lock your credit so you can't apply for credit I personally have never used a firm I'm hoping it's not a way that since you were approved before, they'll just approve you without looking into your credit.
28:47I just need to quit it, like, period. You do. You do. You keep spending money that you don't have. And then we get down to, what was it, like$28 in there, something like that in that checking account? The other checking account was a little better, but, I mean. So with the way I framed it, if I lay out a budget, will you actually follow it? Will you follow it? Yes, because that's, again, like, I need that structure. I need that. You have to. And mind you, if you don't, you are saying, I'm putting the burden of my entire life on my children. In a way. Because it's a choice. Once you at least acknowledge that that's a possibility and then you are choosing to do other things, then you are choosing to be irresponsible.
29:29In a way. It might not feel like in a situation like, oh, I haven't been to McDonald's in forever. Let's just have a little swipe. But in reality, in the grand scheme of things, it is being irresponsible. Okay. So let's work on a budget. This is going to be hard because this is for a household of four with one income right now. He needs to just go over 15 bucks an hour. I don't care. He needs to go to a Whataburger and get like$12 an hour. He just needs to bring in money while he's applying for jobs he wants. Just because there are people we need to be taking care of. There are situations we need to be taking care of.
29:59Did you have a conversation with him about a combined income? I think we, no. We like glossed over it and it's just not. It's just not. He wouldn't do it? I don't think, I don't want to do it. Why? But we need the combined income going to goals, paying off debts faster, paying for the collective household bills, not your bills, my bills, your bills, my bills. And we need to be collectively saving for retirements. Obviously, there are individual retirement accounts, but we need to be able to be doing things as a couple. Do you guys not see a future? I'm curious. We do. We have those silly discussions where, like, oh, when we retire, we're going to move to Wyoming type crap.
30:40But right now we're not going anywhere because we'll be working until we die. Yeah, but why even have that conversation if we're not doing our goals together? Right. I need to just, I don't know if it's, I don't want him to see my accounts or. Does he know about this stuff? When we had the conversation last time, he wasn't aware how much I was spending. He just assumed that I was taking care of things like I had always done. Is he aware now? Probably not. We should be having monthly conversations about the budget. You should be on the same page with budget. Well, in the real world, what you should be is you should be combined.
31:20You should have a combined household budget, and we should be including whatever income you might have. You should be going towards paying off your debt and then getting a household emergency fund instead of yours, his, yours, his. But I can't do that. And it doesn't sound like you're willing to do that. Have you considered couples therapy? be. We've talked about it. Do it. It sounds like other things are great in the relationship and that's fantastic. But this might be a worthy conversation having with a couple's therapist so that you guys can meet goals together. We're just not getting there right now and I'm scared.
31:52I'm scared.
31:57You're such an incredibly nice person and I don't even know your family but I want you guys to do so well. I mean it would be weird if I didn't, first of all, but I really want you guys to do well. And because of that, I have that anxiety in my bones for you guys. So I'll lay out a budget for this single household income, but if you don't follow it, if we keep going down the same paths, then we're not retiring. We're dropping dead on the Walmart floor when we're 90. Our parents or our kids are helping to pay for our rent. When we're older. My mom's still working here. Don't be like that. Okay, let's see.
32:43Minimum debt payments. Mind you, also, your minimum monthly debt payments for your take-home is 20%. And they're all bad debts. None of these are debts that are contributing to anything like primary residence. It's not like a mortgage or anything like that. This is all crap. Also, didn't you say there was a credit card you were still paying off? The one that we talked about last time, it was at like$12 ,000. I'm just paying at it. What's owed on it now? I think it's down to like, a lot of it goes to principal. I think it's only gone down like$1 ,200. So what's it, too? Oh, geez. Like$1 ,700? No, that's wrong.
33:27$10 ,700 I think is what the last balance was. Oh, geez. And that interest rate has to be what, 20%, 30 %? I think it's, maybe that's the one that's 21. That's why that number stuck in my brain. And what's your minimum monthly payment on that thing? I don't know. I just paid$300 at it. That's probably like$60 ,000. Because credit cards, they want to give you a low minimum monthly payment so that you're paying out forever. Okay, so, I mean, now that credit, it's really bad. Well, yeah, it's a high debt for your income. $30 ,000,$30 ,000,$39 ,000. Basically$40 ,000 there, about$40 ,000 in bad debt for a$54 ,000 income.
34:11So probably about$800 minimum repayments, but obviously we have to pay more on a terrible credit card than that. What's interesting is, we want to pay off the car faster. What's your rent that you're fully taken care of now? $18 and change a month. Oh, no. It's 50 % of your income? Is rent? Mm-hmm. 50 % of your income? That's unaffordable. How many rooms is this? Two. Just two. When is the lease up? June. I'm not June. I don't know if you can find below that, really, for two bedrooms. You guys might have to move to, like, the outskirts, though. This is, I mean, that's unaffordable, and he just needs to get a job now.
34:58We need to get that to 30 % max of the household income. utilities and internet what does that all come out to? internet and most utilities are included in the rent so I ended up only paying my light bill which is like$120 a month okay car insurance? $220 a month you're paying for his now too aren't you? yep that's the$220 okay
35:29for the household stained, survived, toilet paper, toothpaste, all this stuff, give you$150. Get the name brand cheapest crap you can. The store brand, whatever it's called. $150. Because I already feel like we're overextended. Food for four people? This is going to suck. It has to be four to five hundred groceries. You have to chop the cheapest you can. Yeah, but you eat out also every day. But when I do a whole week grocery shop, I can keep it to 120, 150 because I do buy large packages of meat and things like that. So we freeze a lot. We're going to say 500. You might have to just force that down to 400.
36:12No one starves. That's the rule, obviously. No one starves. And we want it to be relatively healthy. I know, but we skip things like eggs right now. You don't need to be doing eggs. Things where inflation have gone insane. Ramen for kids every once in a while, peanut butter, jelly sandwiches, stuff like that. Pleasant? No. But we've got to get through the other side of the tunnel first before we can be having Wagyu steaks for dinner. Okay. Gas? You spent a lot on gas there. You spent hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars on gas. I thought I was only doing like 35 a week. I don't know what...
36:48Well, what about him as well? Well, he's not driving anywhere right now. Okay, so you think 35 a week is what you can do? Mm-hmm. 140, we'll call it, a month. So again, out of the$4 ,000 you have budgeted, your minimum monthly budget in order to survive, basic survival, is$3 ,730. And that's living on the edge, essentially. Basically feeling like you're living in poverty in this situation. Except for having a relatively nice place and car. So I guess not. I guess that didn't really make any sense. But$270 is what you have left. We're not going to make progress on$270. We're not going to get anywhere with that.
37:34So this is why the household income needs to be combined. He needs to bring in$15 an hour or$40 a week with no vacations. He needs to make$30 ,000 a year doing that. I mean, you know, taxes, but it won't be very many taxes. That needs to happen. And even with, like, the co-pay for your therapy, I mean, this is gone now, probably,$270. bucks. I don't know what your health insurance looks like. I have an HSA. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, I have good coverage and I don't pay out of pocket for my only just his, I don't know how to explain it, but I ended up signing up to where a certain amount of my income goes towards the account and I only use that for medical.
38:15So that's not even like that. Just. Okay. So that's before your 4 ,000. Okay. So this is the reality of the situation. That budget has to be followed to a T. He needs to bring money. We need to have a collective household pile. And then the instrument needs to just be paid off immediately. Actually, no, no, no. What you need to do because you need to save up $4 ,000 as quick as you can. And in this situation, in this situation,$4 ,000 just to get started is going to take a year and a few months. And that's just so you get started so you can have a slight emergency. Because right now, one thing happens to you, then what happens to the household?
38:53It's screwed. So what this$4 ,000 would do would get you to one month's survival on your minimum budget. Right now, you're living in the scariest position possible. So with your lovely 2015 whatever, I'm sorry to tell you this. We see the kids a little less because you're driving Uber Eats every single night. I just started Instacart. Instacart? Okay. I made like$400 one weekend. One weekend? Okay. Yeah, so whatever one makes more money, and then maintenance and gas. Maybe that's why your gas was a little higher. You know, maybe a split between Instacart and a split between Uber Eats. I know Uber Eats does relatively well in the main part of Austin and around campus.
39:34You're working until you're passing out. It's so much easier to tell someone that than do it. It's so much easier to just have those words, you know, complicated airflow, than go do things. but it's kind of what's necessary because right now you're never going to get to
39:54that$4 ,000 and only then do we pay off the instrument and then we pay off the credit card and then we pay off the car and then we pay off student loans with this, with the amount of debt that's there at$40 ,000 plus that$4 ,000 you need to save up and then plus getting to a $20 ,000 emergency fund it takes 232 months or 20 years 20 years so you're 60 then you haven't even touched retirement yet so that's what it's like with this so he needs to go work any job right now I don't care what it is I don't care what it is then you guys need to combine household income I'm not even doing it as a suggestion anymore it needs to happen and you show him this video because this should be scary because you can't be 60 before you start contributing to retirement that doesn't make sense you should be considering retirement on 59 and a half if you've done well.
40:50And so he needs to get that other job. He also needs to go get another job on top of his other job. Then probably another job on top of that other job for his other job. Then you need to get a second job or you need to be driving Uber Eats. And essentially you just really meal prep for the week and your kids eat that. And then you can help them with their homework a little bit. But other than that, you're working. You're working, working, working. Because without working, that's all. Maybe try to find yourself a better job as well, eventually. Yeah, I just did a week of Instacart, and I didn't get to see the kids hardly at all.
41:20And that's the hard part, but that's the sacrifice. If you can go bring$30 ,000 a year, and you guys have a combined household income, and you start tackling this, it changes the whole story. It changes the story. Maybe you're out of this situation in two to three years versus 20 in terms of having a fully funded emergency fund. because the steps from here is saving up that one month emergency fund for you paying off the debt, probably smallest to largest you could do avalanche you could do the car first because the interest rate is insane, then the credit card, then the student loans and the instrument, that isn't, I would get the instrument out of the way and then maybe do that but either way another thing I might do and this absolutely, you probably hate this and wouldn't do it I don't know what the value of the car is but But through Credit Karma, what you will see is guaranteed personal loans where they basically guarantee you will get approved for the personal loan or they will give you money, like a compensation for not getting approved.
42:23Look into that. Just look into that. It's going to be a crappy personal loan, but not much crappier than the car thing you have. You might need to sell the car, get a personal loan, pay off the car, and whatever you have left in the personal loan,$5 ,000 to$10 ,000 car that you take to a mechanic and get the sign off that this will be safe for you and your family to drive around in. And it will last at least five years. That might be something you need to do because 24 % with a$558 75-month repayment,$21 ,200 2015 car? We don't do that. That's insane. That makes no sense. so we might need to, I don't know what the value of this thing is check the value if you have to borrow an extra$2 ,000 in order to pay it off that's worth it and then you put that in your debt snowball or debt avalanche, that personal loan to pay this off that's something I would highly consider take a look at that that shaves an extra year maybe an extra six months off this whole situation but you gotta follow this budget will you follow this budget?
43:27I will Will he follow this budget? Because this kind of includes him. Yes, we don't have an option any longer. Couples therapy. Please, please, please. I'm not joking. No, I know. Do it. This income has to be combined. Or else, the reality is, again, I've already said it, but I'm going to say it again. Neither of you are retiring. You're never going to have it paid for a car again because you'll just keep borrowing until the next car is paid off. Because this is six years. And maybe the car breaks down or something happens. but then you have to go borrow for another car. Maybe you still have debt on this car at this time.
44:00Maybe his car breaks. Nothing's saved up, so he has to go borrow for a car. The student loans are never paid off$150 a month with interest accruing. The credit card's never paid off$60 a month with 21 % interest. Maybe the instrument's paid off. Then you guys have nothing to retire. You guys are working into your 90s just trying to survive and your kids are paying for your life. That's what this looks like if we don't follow the budget. We don't work constantly. And that is just it's hard because this is just all negative. There's like there's nothing I can say that's optimistic. And I'm sorry.
44:38I'm sorry. I know. And when I got the email from you, I was like, why couldn't I be able to give him better news?
44:49But let's find a light at the end of the tunnel. The light at the end of the tunnel is, if in six months we have another follow up, and And you show me that this has been followed for six months' budget, that you are working seven days a week, and that he has gotten a job, and that progress is being made on this debt. Again, this turns from 20 years to two to three to four to five years. And that is manageable. Then there is a life to be lived. There is contributing like 30 % to retirement because we've got to play catch up. We have to, maybe even 35%. but you're able to also go out to eat at that time and do things that you want to do.
45:26Maybe we're saving up for a house even. There's a life there. It's the temporary sacrifice now. In two years, it's going to feel like a long time. Three is going to feel longer. Four, even longer. Five, even longer. But if you guys go crazy, legitimately crazy, there's also, and I haven't recommended this, and I'm not going to, because I'd rather work and get out of things, but there is also the conversation of bankruptcy. Student loans won't qualify under that, but I mean you'll probably lose your car and it'll be hard to qualify for you know getting into a place to rent in the future I mean that's like the last last last resort because it'll just bring turmoil on your family it'll be hard but that's something that's in the conversation but if the choice is pluckers and bankruptcy exactly and working hard and working all the time or bankruptcy lots of work I've got it in me I know I do you do I believe in you what I'm nervous about is we have the relationship thing we need to have that conversation we need to do that stuff you need to be brave enough to do that brave enough to go to the couple therapy I'm proud of you brave enough to go to personal therapy starting next week that's incredible that's incredible you're awesome for that you are awesome for always taking care of your kids getting out of hard situations in the past getting into a two bedroom and making sure there's always food on the table, you are awesome for that.
46:54You want to spoil them and take them out to eat. You are awesome for that. Let's just get to the point where we're even beyond that. By temporary sacrificing, maybe, how old are they? I'm 17 and 13. Okay, perfect. Old enough to be able to sit down at the table and have the conversation, okay, we've lived beyond our means. Mama's going to be cutting back so that Mama can retire and you all don't have to worry about me. This is good. You should be cheering for this. Okay, guys, we're all on this page. Cool high fives all around. Maybe like, I want some McDonald's. But we're like, how about like, you don't have to pay for my living by the time I retire versus your large side of fries.
47:36I mean, I'll shove McDoubles down my throat all day, so I get it. It's not that important to us, and my son always says to make sure that your plate is full before giving it. he said something along those lines where he's got a better understanding of things. Good. I love that. I love that. And then your kid, I know you talked about wanting to pay for college next time and stuff like that. It's not in the picture. No. For the first kid at least you might be able to help cash flow the second kid but what the first kid should do and I know we talked about different options and I'll say the same thing I said last time.
48:08If he just goes to community college here or just applies for every single scholarship in the world but if he goes to community college here, Austin Community College, everyone I know community college that I talk to here. It's so cheap for people living in Austin. You can cash flow it. You can cash flow it working part time. It's incredible. Incredible the resource we have in this city. That's why my property taxes are essentially murder. But at least it benefits that. So that might be an option. You're just not going to be able to help, at least for the first one. Second one, maybe. If you guys go crazy and get out of this and start contributing to retirement now and get a fully funded emergency fund, get out of debt, maybe you can help cash flow.
48:44but that's where we're looking today I want to hear you talk about what the future looks like tell me what you're going to do what do the next years look like what are you going to do what does the relationship look like deja vu so yes couple therapy yeah
49:05I just got to cut the unnecessary spending and I know it even when I spend it I'm like, don't do it. The next year looks like a lot of work.
49:22It's got to get focused. The good news about work is there's a reward for it. And the reward for this is that you guys are going to have a great life when you work and sacrifice. I believe in you guys. I'm equally nervous. Don't let a setback throw you back this time. Stay strong. Be in communication with me and then take advantage of the different therapies. And I think you guys can do this no matter how hard it is. I know we can. I know I can. Yeah. And there's free things for fun. I'll say that as well. Go to Zilker. Have a packed picnic. Go to the beaches and stuff like that. a little rocky but it's pleasant any final thoughts?
50:15and lock your credit as well lock my credit I mean it's sobering to see it again so maybe it'll stick this time so for Dominga give her some love in the comments below we gotta give her all the support and lift her up it's gonna be so hard but you have this you have this now I'm gonna give you a hammer financial score you thought it was 4 out of 10. Spoiler, it's not going to be a 4 out of 10. So let's break down the category. Spending. I mean, it was drastically overspending. Everything was green outlined. 0 out of 10 debt. One thing we forgot to talk about was that IRS debt because I didn't see it on the credit, but you owe them and they are scary.
50:55And now there's probably no money left over. So that's what's bad. But with the IRS debt and with collections, this is as bad as it can get. 0 out of 10. Retirement, there's nothing. 0 out of 10. Merchants fund, there's nothing. 0 out of 10 real estate there's nothing zero out of 10 obviously the aggregates down to a hammer financial score zero out of 10 hey you like five dollars i like five dollars you open an acorns account in the link in the description below i get five dollars you get five dollars everybody wins make sure to follow my instagram and twitter thanks
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