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Podcast Episode Notes: Business, You Call THIS A Business?!
Podcast Information
- Title: Financial Audit
- Description: Personal finance nerd content aimed at entertaining and educating audiences on personal finance.
- Email for inquiries: casting@calebhammer.com | business@calebhammer.com
- YouTube Link: New episodes are available a week earlier on the YouTube channel.
Episode Overview
- Episode Title: Business, You Call THIS A Business?!
- Guest: Santi, a mobile detailing business owner from Albuquerque, New Mexico.
- Main Theme: Addressing the financial struggles and the business strategy of a young entrepreneur.
Key Points Discussed
Introduction to Santi and His Business
- Business Type: Mobile detailing - thorough cleaning of vehicles inside and out.
- Business Launch: Started in June of the previous year (at the time of recording).
- Financial Performance:
- Year 1: Reported losses of $3,000 to $4,000.
- Year 2 (current): Projected profits of $13,000 to $14,000.
Work Hours and Responsibilities
- Total Work Hours: Approximately 80 hours a week, with a mix of detailing work and coaching.
- Content Creation: Involved in creating reels, email marketing, and blogs for business promotion.
Financial Analysis
- Current Income vs. Expenses:
- Yearly income of about $13,000 is insufficient to cover living expenses, including a $1,200 mortgage.
- Heavy reliance on credit cards for daily expenses, leading to increasing debt.
Debt Situation
- Debt Breakdown:
- Multiple credit cards with high interest rates.
- Total credit card debt exceeds $30,000 with significant interest accruing.
- Santi has food stamps and relies on his girlfriend for utility expenses.
Financial Advice and Recommendations
- Assessing Business Viability: The current financial model appears unsustainable.
- Debt Management Strategy:
- Focus on paying off smaller debts first (snowball method).
- Suggested to consider working additional jobs to stabilize finances.
- Long-term Strategy:
- Potentially sell the house to clear debts and create an emergency fund.
- The necessity of having a clear plan for future financial stability.
Final Thoughts and Conclusions
- Santi's Perspective:
- Recognizes the gravity of his financial situation and the need for proactive measures.
- Expressed willingness to work hard to improve his situation.
- Host's Assessment:
- Urged Santi to prioritize debt repayment and focus on financial education and discipline.
- Overall financial score assessed low, indicating a critical need for improvement and restructuring.
Resources and Tools Mentioned
- Budgeting tools and financial platforms that could assist in improving financial literacy and management.
Key Takeaways
- Financial Health: Santi's situation underscores the importance of understanding personal finance and the need for a sustainable business model.
- Emergency Fund: Establishing a safety net is crucial for handling unforeseen circumstances.
- Spending Discipline: Reducing unnecessary expenses is vital for managing debt effectively.
Conclusion This episode provides a candid look at the realities of starting and running a business while managing personal finances. It emphasizes the importance of strategic planning, discipline, and the willingness to adapt in the face of financial challenges.
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Transcript
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1:00My name is Santi. I'm 29 out of Albuquerque, New Mexico, and this is Financial Audit. So what do you do for a living in Albuquerque? I have a mobile detailing business. Oh, okay. So you're a business owner. Yes, sir. And that's your full-time thing? Yep. Mobile detailing. So going, I'm not mistaken, that's going through and cleaning cars, making them look all pretty on the inside? Yeah. So really mobile detailing is like a very thorough cleaning of your vehicle inside and out. there's a few different types of detailers out there but really that's what we do we come in take brushes to the vents and the cracks and crevices and clean and everything dusted down dude that's sick how long have you been doing it i launched my business in june of last year okay so a year just over a year how has it been interesting oh yeah um very um i finally got some bookkeeping help and was in preparation for well i was gonna do it anyways but it came through just in in in time for this to get a p &l for the first time uh which if if you wanted a little later or whenever we can go through that because i think that's important last year the first six months so i've only looked at the p &l specifically at like last year and then like this calendar year yeah um last year i was negative i think like three or four thousand um this year at this moment I guess that explains all the debt.
2:21But go ahead. Well, the debt is honestly like from before that. Oh, geez. Yeah. So, but this year I'm up like 13 ,000, 14 ,000. That's not a lot to live on. No, but that's what I'm figuring out. Trying to get through that and anticipate this work will really help give me some clarity. How many hours a week do you work this job? In the field, I mean, it's all I do. Total work, total work. Yeah, what do you do? How many hours a week? Let's see. Let's guess. Like probably like 80 hours a week. Oh. But that's not all detailing. No. So that's detailing. How much of that is detailing? Probably about five days a week, anywhere from four.
3:06How many hours a week? That's, let's see, four, five. I'm going to average like, let's say six, seven hours. So let's say six and a half. Six. Yeah. So a day, five days a week. two of my days one is uh coaching and coaching coaching what uh business coaching didn't you just say it took a day okay so so that's what one day one day is reserved for that but it's an hour yeah yeah but not only that so like the whole morning is like content creation or working on content creation yes sir okay what's that is that a different job or is that for this business no it's for the business what content are you creating uh mostly reels and then also also So Instagram and stuff?
3:45We'll link his in the description then. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, so my reels and then also my email marketing and I've been doing some blogs and stuff as well for the post. So it's all the work that I do is for the business and business related. Do you have more business than you can take on? Not at the moment. Okay, good. For the area, where's your pricing in terms of the overall competitive industry the lowest to the highest, where are you? Probably like high-mid.
4:22If you're detailing six hours a day and you're in the high-mid, this doesn't sound like a business that's going to make it. Not to just be negative, but what did you say? $13 ,000 this year so far? Almost in Q4? Yeah, well, that's net. So the business is done over 26. even$26 ,000 and three quarters basically. But that's six hours a day. Five days a week. Yeah, let's pretend it's just a normal eight hour day. That's not going to make the gap to a livable income or a successful business. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just trying to figure it out because I want you to obviously do well and I'm trying to be very realistic which sometimes can sound kind of pessimistic.
5:11how does this business go to making you a living that I am not seeing my my current plan is to go harder on marketing and advertising um and so trying to generate more so I did some quick math so an average detail I can expect about 350 and so I figured if I do that five days a week and I did so excuse me if I do two two a day five days a week and I just assume just a 50 hour work 50 week year. I think it's like 175 if I did the math correctly. So it would be an average of$700 a day, five days a week. How many hours again a day? I'm sorry. Well, so if I do this, if I, so my goal is to book out five days a week, two jobs that I can anticipate being anywhere from like eight to 10 hours and I can anticipate doing about 700 a day.
6:09How many days are you doing? How much a day are you doing right now? At the moment, um, probably on average, like one a day, five days a week. No, no, no. 700 a day. How much in terms of dollar amount now? Um, I can't think of the average right now off the top of my head. Um, but probably like 250 to 300 so like for example my last job i did um that was like 400 but that's also assuming some days that i don't have have any jobs no that's 65 000 hours a year five days a week 250 a day you're at 20 and we're three quarters in correct um and so that's my assessment is based off of what I've been doing maybe over the past like six weeks where I've seen a lot more growth and development in my skills and abilities to fulfill services.
7:04I participate in some networking groups as well that are like the referral based. And so I started one, I want to say maybe like five weeks ago. And then another one I started about three, four weeks ago. Well, me assuming the numbers that you gave me is like me putting a bet on a single stock, penny stock. I don't know. I can't just assume that. Historically, again, you were negative last year and we're up. I mean, you've walked away with 13 ,000 this year so far. Okay. But given that I'm building a business and like really working on myself in this business, I foresee it like developing over time.
7:50I'm good with risk in taking businesses. There's things to do before then. We have a fully funded emergency fund. We don't have any bad debt. We haven't even touched this endless stack of bad debt. This is bad credit card debt. So is it the right time to start a business that doesn't make any money? I don't know. Like, okay, why not, for example, work for a detailing company, get paid, soak up the job experience, understanding what it's like to run the business and what they've done and all the successful things. then eventually after some non-compete end. What's going on? I'm Arch Manning, Viore athlete and college quarterback.
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9:00orders over$75 and free returns have a great day start yours well again you're going off a trend line but your trend line is down right now June, July, August is down June was a peak. Great, which is awesome. It was March, April, May, June, July, August. So if we're going off the trend line, we're headed in the down direction. Correct. Yeah.
9:30Maybe I'm banking a little bit too much. The expenses aren't low. We're just not bringing in money. Yeah. Yeah, and I know it's not much to go off of, especially, right, like we see the trends going up and down and new business and figuring things out. I'm surprised you're even like making payments How What's your living situation right now I need to know I bought my house in 2019 Oh you own a house Well I got a mortgage on it Yeah Okay And that right now is about 1200 bucks a month Wait you mentioned to me beforehand Oh this would make so much more sense for a living I was like how is this dude paying to exist You mentioned that your girlfriend contributes a lot.
10:14Oh, that makes sense. Because math was not mathin'. Yeah. How long have you been with your girlfriend? About six and a half years now. Is marriage in the future? Yeah. Well, and that's what we both plan and move forward or towards as well. Oh, buddy. Okay. What is she taking care of? At the moment, she covers the majority of the utilities. I've been up until this point paying the internet, which is like 45 bucks. we have well there's not a document on it but I do have food stamps EBT which I think is about I think it's like$290 a month so we use that you do she doesn't right? she makes$50 ,000 a year I think you told me before and so she also covers the groceries that are in excess of that and then majority of the time if we like go out with her family or something like that she covers it or we'll split it.
11:10So those things and then some of the toiletries. Would you take care of your rent or the mortgage completely? I am, yes. So I cover all of my debts. How have you been able to afford it? Because, again, the math isn't math. $13 ,000 a year doesn't even cover your mortgage. What's your mortgage? $1 ,200. And technically there's two because I got it on a first-time homebuyer. So I got the regular mortgage. and then also they financed the down payment. So you would have had$2 ,200 left this year outside of your mortgage payments. I don't know. You have to tell me something. Yeah. What is not adding up?
11:53Because this is f***ing I'm confused, and this doesn't make sense. Yeah. Honestly. Where's the numbers? Honestly, I'm not too sure. I had a part-time job early this year at AutoZone. So I was making a couple bucks there, but not a lot. And then we got robbed a second time. No, you didn't make a couple dollars. That's the minimum wage in New Mexico. I think at the time it was like 12 something an hour. Okay, so you're making$12 an hour, not a couple bucks. Yeah. And so that helped cover especially the early part of the year because I had like only three jobs between December and January. And then I got robbed.
12:32Three detailing jobs? Yeah. Yes, sir. You got robbed? Yeah, we got robbed. The store got robbed, and I was working twice. The second time they pulled a gun on me, and I was like, that's probably good for me. I get that. If I had that in business too, but then I would go get another job and not just not have another job because there's debt. Let's talk about the debt. Oh, my gosh. What would you give yourself? Score zero or ten hammer. Your score. Zero. Santee financial score. Yeah. I'd like to take a brief moment and thank today's video sponsor, Vora. Vora is an exciting investment platform that is changing how to grow your money.
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14:14You know, like I'll get maybe a couple grand in the bank account. And then between either softwares or like, you know, the mortgage and things like that. And paying the minimum payments on all these debts. It's like just making it by the skin of my teeth. Oh, and before we go into this debt Make my day better Hit that subscribe button 750 ,000 subscribers, that's what we're trying to get to And thank you to everyone who has so far I really appreciate it We have a freedom card, yeah, this is giving you a bunch of freedom Freedom of Owing 5 ,000 The balance of this one went up So yeah, no sh** Okay, math is making more sense now Because you can't afford life So you just put it all on a card that's already basically maxed.
15:00Yeah. Is that what's happening essentially? Not really, but there is. So I've over the past couple of months, I've resulted to as much as I can only pay for things either cash with my debit card. And they're talking about you purchased two hundred seventy eight dollars on this thing, even though you only made one hundred sixty three dollar payment towards that. plus an additional$122 of interest charged on it, by the way, fun fact. Yeah, that's bad. So go on telling me about the thing that was incorrect. I can't remember off the top of my head, so I'd love to go through the statement to point them out.
15:35I think on this one there is one thing that I've maintained on a credit card, which is your Nest subscription. Is it a Nest subscription or did you go purchase a camera? No, it's a subscription. It's an annual, yeah. Then an annual Amazon Prime subscription as well. Get those off there, man. $122 of interest. You've lost$1 ,000 of interest on this card so far this year. The interest rate is basically 30 % rounded up. We can't have things on here. This is a card that's f***ing you. $5 ,037. Balance went up. It's basically maxed out. The minimum monthly payment on here is$172, which you can't even afford that, and this is just one of the debts.
16:16Now we have an Amazon card, which is funny. I probably would have put my Prime purchase on there, but whatever. It went from$9 ,462 to$9 ,391. But you made much bigger of a payment,$342. But guess what? We still purchased$58 and then$213 of interest on it. So$9 ,391. The largeness of that number didn't even hit me until right now. Jeez, probably because I'm hungry. Okay,$307 is a monthly basis. You can't afford this. Correct. Audible, you don't need that. No, and I did just cancel it. USCCA, Delta Defense. Yeah, so that's one thing that I made sure I was going to maintain, kind of no matter what.
17:04It's a membership for legal support in the case of a self-defense situation. And this, I don't know if maybe we... What does that mean if someone attacks you, you get... Yeah, so fundamentally what it is, if you find yourself in a case of self-defense, they have lawyers that will come to support your case. And then it's also backed with financial for legal fees and stuff like that. $1 ,500 of interest loss on this card so far. Basically, again, 38%. It was like 28%. Harbor Freight Money Rewards. This is a 0 % interest thing? yeah so 12 12 equal payments starting when june yeah and so i've made my first payment this month of uh it should be on there i think it's 88 bucks um i have it right here i think it's 88 a month yeah that'll do it okay good that's fine i'm okay with the zero percent financing again not 100 sure for you because you just haven't managed that well.
18:13But for people that can, 0 % financing is fine because you just invest the rest. And obviously, 8 % of general stock market return is a bigger number than 0%. So it's fine as long as it's managed. But, you know. And like I was mentioning a little bit before, this debt pretty much, I think basically my downward spiral for debt came about when I, after I bought my house at the time, at the time I was bartending and I was making like 60, 65 a year. Um, and like no responsibilities, you know what I mean? It was like my girlfriend was the only other like response. Oh, and my, and my, my dog. Um, like I don't have like a specific thing.
18:57Like this is how I got this much debt. It was more so just like maybe like stress spending and like kind of giving up a little bit. Um, how'd you give up? um, I think it was just like some stress. You could maybe call it depression or something like that. And it was just being, just being completely irresponsible. I think at the time it was like, Oh, I got money. Money's coming in. Like it's, it's good. I wasn't being, uh, very thoughtful or looking into the future. Yeah. Cause you've racked up more credit card debt than I've seen in a very long time. And you're only 29, at least this card, you made a minimum monthly payment of$959 on, but it only took it from a balance of 8 ,834 to a balance of 8 ,788 because there was$213.16 of interest that accrued on this card, sitting at a lovely 28.24 % interest rate.
19:48And this year so far, we've lost$1 ,600 on it. For those keeping track at home, that's going to take us to... What are the different cards? You had$1 ,000, I think.
20:084 ,100 in interest you've lost this year so far. You've brought home$13 ,000 from your business. Make that nine now.
20:20With some credit union, New Senda, we have a balance of 328. That's all? Yeah. What's this for? What is this? That was when I was early on building my credit. Well, sorry. I was explaining what the line of credit was, but that was a vet bill. So I pulled from my line of credit to pay the vet bill. Is there a minimum monthly payment or you just have to pay it whenever? Minimum monthly. Late charge assessed. Yeah, because you're missing payments. Five. One. I was just going to say you're about get ready to yell at me. yeah that one I just completely forgot about it like I knew I had it out but I spaced getting in there to make the minimum payment and it hit and it took like on my credit score I think took like a 50 point hit but I would say that's the one and only surrogatory mark I have 75 minimum monthly balance this is at a 14 % 14.5 % interest rate so we haven't seen an interest rate that wasn't like death except for that 0%.
21:31Wells Fargo, something. Oh my gosh, dude, it doesn't stop. Wells Fargo, everyone's favorite bank.
21:42$7 ,179 is currently owed. $0.58. Okay. Dude, so much credit card debt. This is an absolute insanity. $225 ,000 of payments, $2.43 of purchases. Looks like he went and got some taquitos at Shell Oil. And$160 of interest was accrued. Lovely. 25.24 % interest rate. And you've lost$1 ,209 on that. So that brings us to a lovely$5 ,300 of interest lost this year so far. And that card, real quick, before I move to pass, just because I want you to have some of the context too, is this is why you say not everybody's credit card people and getting a transfer is not the best thing for everyone. That was a transfer when I was living in Arizona for work.
22:33At the time, I was making like$43 a month, but I just had my rent there, which was$1 ,000, and my mortgage at home, which was$1 ,200. I had some tenants, but they were only paying me like$800.
22:51Some important people to me, So I wasn't charging them what would be an effective like rent rate at the time. So it was 800 bucks. So there was 800 bucks for that. So, but I was still paying, that's at least four to like 1400 bucks and like just housing expenses during that, during that time. And so I opened this card with the hopes of transferring it over and then making progress on it. And you didn't. And then you just racked up the pass card again, probably. Yeah. And so it was just surviving. So many people say not to. Yeah. And I ended up just surviving. And I think the biggest thing was I didn't have actually a plan.
23:30And so I was just still trying to like survive. And that landed up on the cards. Now, this was your new owner's thing. So was this you financing a part of the down payment? What was this specifically? Yeah. Yeah. So the structure of the program I qualified for. And I wasn't like too, too well aware of exactly what was going on. not that i necessarily feel like i was taking advantage of but just the way it is is that um i got the mortgage and then there was a reduced down payment to like three percent in new new home buyer and then the other program that i got was basically financing yep so you financed the other three percent yeah which was like 75 that's so bad i want everyone to get into a home i want you to get in home i want you to get into home well actually well technically you can't afford because you don't make any money.
24:18You're kind of relying on the girlfriend, and then you're relying on other debt. So it doesn't make sense for you to have purchased this anyway, but having equity in a home is important, and there's ways to get there. We don't need to rush into it. It's hard for many people in many cities. Don't get me wrong. It's not a one-size-fits-all, but you did not need to do it because it's not a very expensive house. Either way,$6 ,675 is the current principal with a$10 payment. It's going to take forever. I pay just under$45 a month. Oh, yes. Sorry. interest$33.44 $44 total. Yeah, because all of it's gone to interest pretty much.
24:53$44.75. At a 6 % interest rate. You know.
25:03Then here's the mortgage. What is this home worth today? Do you know? Last I checked, I think on like Rocket Money it throws out like expected values. I think I saw like$2.30. Well, I did. Not that I think that. But the last time I checked. We have a mortgage of$138 ,292 With a monthly payment of$1 ,175 That's what's rough for you It does include my escrow and my insurance and all that as well At a 4.5 % interest rate And we like that So I'm immediately, there's things going through my head right now It's like, okay, if you want to fully focus on this business Fully focus on it And you don't really make that much money But you think you're going to get to a place of money But we need to get rid of this debt Because you can't afford it So you're just building more and more debt right now.
25:47And it just doesn't make sense. The situation is not mathing. A way to clear the debt is to sell the house. You have that chunk of, what did you say it's worth? Uh, two 30 based off of, uh, rocket after fees and everything, maybe walk away with 75 ,000 hours, do this, pay, you know, pay for that, have a little bit of an emergency fund. Yeah. Pay off all the debts, have a little bit of emergency fund that you can sustain yourself while you build the business and you and your girlfriend rent for a bit. That sucks though. Cause you're locked in at a 4.5 % interest rate. Who knows when or ever if we'll see those again, probably at some point historically, but it could take a very long time.
26:21You're in a rate that I like, and I would rather you just have this forever and just minimum monthly payments until it's paid off. But I feel like you're not willing to do what's necessary to pay off the debt other than sell the house. I don't even know if you're willing to do that, because what's about to be necessary to pay off the debt is you spending less time in your business and spending more time actually making money for other business that makes money, you know? Yeah. Because you have to pay off the debt. You have that as a responsibility. Yeah. And so I'd like to let you know, it's something that I certainly have considered and would like to do.
26:59Like to do? Yeah. But my, so our current situation, me and my partner, we've had the conversation. Selling the house is at the moment, not quite an option. Go on. We just aren't looking to sell the house. You just said you would like to. Yeah, but as a... So why is it not an option? Well, because it's not just my own opinion. Actually, it is. You own the house. She doesn't have... She doesn't pay for it. I don't care. Wait, I don't give a shit. I'm sorry. I don't care. Yeah. What? Does she know how bad your debt is? I believe so. I'll just jump ahead right away. I don't think she's gonna approve well it's not her choice this is not this is not up to her yeah I would like to be clear too like with moving forward I know this situation is dire do you yeah that's why that's why I came here to get some advice and I would like I just want to be honest with you as well so we can work out long long day late night love putting on your makeup but hate taking it off there's really no better feeling than coming home getting comfy and removing your makeup with garnier waterproof micellar water it easily removes even stubborn waterproof mascara none of that harsh rubbing needed and you don't even have to rinse afterwards it leaves skin cleansed refreshed and never dry head to amazon to shop garnier waterproof micellar water now good plan um selling a house is certainly a consideration you literally said you want to but well because it's going to be a joint decision and she's not for it why is it a joint decision I'm sorry but why you guys are not married she has nothing legally to this house why does she even care about the house you guys can rent and get a house together when you guys are married I want you guys to have a house I want you guys to have an amazing future together one she has no say in this legally speaking honestly even morally kind of to a certain extent and you guys will be in a house better house even in the future yeah this there's no logic right now i agree um it's just a joint decision and i would love to maybe at some point also look at some other options i just have to come better prepared to tell her what a plan is okay if we're gonna if we're gonna make that change no it's fine you're right this was the easy change so now comes the you change where you're gonna have to do a ton of work more work than you've ever dreamed of in your life, more work than you've ever pictured in your life to get out of the debt.
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29:38Yes, sir. This is the avenue where we can wipe it today, get rid of an interest rate that I love and I want you to have. The alternative is about this is about to suck, to be very clear. And if that's the route you choose, that's the route you choose. Checking out how it has 318 in it, that's obviously terrifyingly small for someone that has a mortgage and a bunch of other stuff. And for some reason, when we make absolutely no money and we can't afford our bills and everything's going, we're building more debt, we're for some reason doing twisters and chick-fil-a and why are you paying for detail so this is the business account so these are meals even still pack some lunch team I have a couple guys help me every once in a while that doesn't make sense dude I'm sorry I'm sorry I know I'm coming across pretty aggressive but I just need to be very clear that doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense Let me just talk about my business for a second in terms of this.
30:32When it first started, okay, I edited, I scheduled, and I filmed basically myself. There was a person who$25 an hour for a couple hours a week pushed start and play on the cameras. That was it. I did 99 % of the business myself. Okay, when the business expanded to a point where I knew I could fully focus on scheduling and filming myself, myself i hired an editor and he took over the position of starting and stopping the cameras as well okay when i expanded to a point where i knew it could be more focused uh every position could be more focused if i brought on a producer to help with the scheduling i did that but that's through the growth of the business yeah dude you don't make any money with the business you cannot have other guys you got when when you are starting up a business a true business and i know that i got incredibly blessed because you all are amazing let's be completely honest like truly including you who's a member of the audience like i'm beyond blessed and absolutely grateful like i've become incredibly fortunate but the reality for the vast majority of businesses man it's going to be you doing the long hours putting in 80 hours a week 90 hours a week you know barely getting to sleep you putting in the grind you do not have the ability to bring on the extra help right now even if it's an extra ten dollars a day or something you just can't yeah i agree and this was me trying to test that and figure that out um would you test it sorry when was the test um they came on or like middle of june and um they're high schoolers they're going back to their senior year um so one of them still comes and helps out on the weekends occasionally nope but yeah i i agree so currently my my focus is in line with well i'm trying to get better like basically what you just described as well as just 99 of what i've done so far has been by myself and so the moment um i was looking to potentially hire and i've canceled any plans on that or i'm trying to move my focus to leveraging things that don't cost money but cost my time um in order to like grow the business that's why i'm doing like social media content like the reels and stuff like that to have a presence there um which even that i'm like okay but go ahead um but there are things that still cost like um mailchimp for my email marketing that's like 20 bucks which is totally fine i didn't even highlight because that completely makes sense but does jimmy's cafe does water burger does taquitos does i don't know what twisters is but does it burritos um okay then no it doesn't does chick-fil-a those twisters again does coffee does what's rust is gold that's a coffee spot okay so coffee coffee uh taquitos some taquitos golden crow out, Whataburger, the rest is gold again, and the Donut Place and Jim's Cafe, Sonic Drive-Thru, Amazon, Amazon, Ross Stores, Auto Bright.
33:24That was just a big bill. I didn't know what that was. That's a, they manufacture auto detailing products there. Okay. So that's where I purchase. That's a business thing. Jobber also didn't know what that was. Is that you posting jobs? No, it's my CRM. and so my entire customer journey is facilitated through there. And you should have a CRM. I don't know if you – I know there's cheaper CRMs you can have for a business that doesn't make money though. And that's not even expensive for a CRM. You just don't make money. Yeah. You manually do the customer journey yourself and then you pay for like a$30 emailing service.
34:04you know it's like you just you don't you don't right now have the ability to outsource things you really don't and i get it this is different if you had so many bookings every single day that you did not have time to do the other things then yes absolutely we outsource it that's where it mathematically makes sense and you need to do it you just told me you work six hours five days a week detailing so we don't do this i'm sorry we don't gym's cafe we certainly don't do it taking $263 out for ATM. Who knows? Amazon, Arby's, Arby's, some taquitos, and then a$10 monthly service fee, by the way, for using this.
34:38So, everyone's favorite bank, Wells Fargo. Did we really need to eat out every other day and get coffee and taquitos? Is that a necessary business expense when we're making$13 ,000 a year? No. No. I will say the Jimmy's Cafe is where one of my meetings are. And not that this excuse is there. They meet at your house. They meet at a park. And I've decided to not purchase lunch there anymore because I looked over across a month and it was like$150 that I'd spent there and I was like, alright, I'm just not going to order lunch there anymore. And of course you can write off a lot of stuff and it deducts the overall profits of what's brought home, but really nothing's being brought home.
35:16It doesn't really make sense in this situation. $292 in your personal checking. Again, scary when there's a mortgage. We have Spotify. We have Taquitos. A lot of that, the coffee and ATM$600 out. Who knows where that went? Wingstop. Taquitos. Taquitos.
35:37Taquitos. Unless you're just getting like$4 gas, but I really don't think so. On the business account, yes. Because I'll get like a gallon of gas for my generator. Plenty of time. And the personal juggy? The personal, no. That's taquitos. Some dropout thing. And shop app. Coors. Hooters. $50 of Hooters, by the way. It's expensive. Those are some expensive tatas.
36:04Mikuachina. Michoacana. Michoacana, okay. That's taquitos, basically. It's technically ice cream. Yeah, I was insane. We went and saw how much it was, and we haven't really gone back. Speedway and tickets. Tickets to something. Who knows? Can I see that? Buddy, I'm kind of upset at your life because I feel like I almost care about your situation more than you do because you have five cents in savings. And I wouldn't use the Wells Fargo for savings anyway. Yeah, because you get percentage yield of 0.61, where you get 4.5 in SoFi. But we have, what was that, five cents again in there? If we have five cents, are we really getting taquitos and eating out every day?
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38:22So how do your debt, have we gone through all the debt? Yes. I don't have any car debts. That's good. And I don't have anything else finance. The big thing, well, obviously the largest thing is the mortgage. Which was how much again? I'm sorry. Actually, I have it right here. It is$1175.
38:46and electricity is 350 which is expensive especially now in the in the summertime because we've got the central air what about the rest of the utilities internet is currently 45 bucks a month and i'm covering that the electricity she covers the rest of this yeah the electricity she's covering she is completely 350 all hers yeah good and then also the water and the gas What are you covering? I just need to know Just the internet Which is again? 45
39:21Your insurance is for your car and or cars? Currently I think it's like 250 What are you doing for health insurance? I have Medicaid at the moment Yeah And Yeah Yeah. Yeah, pip, pip. And I know you get food stamps. How much does that qualify a month? I think it's like$2.80. That's your groceries, man. I'm not allowing you to spend a single cent over that. Yeah. So I'm not even putting in here a grocery budget. That is your grocery budget. $2.17, that's your insurance? Mm-hmm. Health insurance, okay. Government program.
40:09you know you're being subsidized right to essentially run this business in a mathematical way in terms of oh yeah to be able to health insurance through the yeah and i got that because right before i started so like i mentioned earlier i was in arizona for a little while and i had like my mortgage and rent um and um when i came back i was bartending and then And that was like the typical like two bucks an hour if you make over so many tips or whatever. So like struggling. And then I picked up. No, but the tips. Well, it's not just. It still wasn't that much. I know, but it still gets you to like 12 or 13 hours an hour.
40:46And that's how they get you down to the$2 an hour. Yeah, exactly. So you're still making. At least minimum wage. Yeah, correct. And then I was doing, I was working on cars, like mechanic work. That was all cash. and then I changed to a different bar anticipating making more money but we were overstaffed so I was going sent home early a lot of times and still again just like struggling and basically still being out like net negative so that's when I was like all right I'm gonna do I'd already been dabbling with like detailing a little bit low enough barrier entry to get started and I'd always my vision in life since I was really little, like middle school, is to be self-reliant.
41:29And for me, what that means is I have the abilities and the skills to generate resources and opportunities for myself. But you've gotten further from that than you've ever been. Because while you're in this debt with no savings, you're further than you've ever been in your life. And so I'm working really, really hard over the past year and a half. and I intend to continue to work really, really hard at figuring out how to do that. And so, like, for example, detailing. I do enjoy detailing, but I don't detail because I want to detail. I detail because I want to learn how to build good business.
42:07And so that's really where my focus is, is learning to develop the skills. Your focus should be paying off debt, dude. I'm sorry. Well, you have all this. It doesn't make sense. Your credit card debts are insane. I don't want to be I hate right now the fact that I mean I love entrepreneurship I love that idea I hate that I have to talk against it right now it just doesn't make sense in your situation your minimum monthly payments are$944 not including your mortgage $944.25 again after your mortgage and after that that's more money than you've made all year so it's no surprise you're going further into debt or we just can't even barely make payments and we had a late fee on one of them.
42:57Yeah, that was a major just slip of the mind. Terrible mistake, but I won't let that happen again. It wasn't, that didn't happen because I didn't have the funds. It happened because I was being an idiot and didn't pay attention. So because of girlfriend who gets no say in this, we're keeping the house no matter what? Currently, yes. I will certainly talk with her and look at some potential options. Well, that's all I do. Yeah, okay. Because the new alternative, I mean, what's required to live, you basically need$1 ,300 or$2 ,300 on a monthly basis. You don't bring that in. I mean, again, for example, the last nine months,$1 ,444 average.
43:45I'm sorry. That was$1 ,000. that's the average of what I've been bringing home over the business itself over how long this year so far on average up months down months again the trend went yeah so I really don't know what else to do other than work your detail as much as you can the actual physical and then a little bit of the extra work on the side besides that you're just gonna have to go get another job and work 40 hours a week doing anything you talked about going to water burger in New Mexico which is out there apparently and even eating water burger today cool go be a manager of water burger work some night shifts be tired only have a few hours to sleep which is what i feel like right now by the way but be tired in embrace the struggle because you've already gotten into this debt of it's like 30 000 yeah credit card high interest 30 death yeah debt so it's really the only alternative because i can't lay out a plan for you the only thing is right now yeah work as much detailing as you can but every single second of your life that you're not doing that and not resting and not preparing of making your own food you're working you there's no choice if you're not gonna sell the house you wipe this you have some money you can set in a savings account which you can use towards the future down payment by the way yeah uh but it helps you maintain and survive while you're trying to build this business which i personally support that one because i think you care more about the business than you care about this house yeah right yeah i mean your future yeah 100 so i would sell the house and do that i don't want to get rid of the 4.5 percent interest rate more than anyone else but it's just like if this if that's your focus then let's focus on it let's do it because either way without doing that you're taking time away from your business because you're going to have to take at least 40 hours a week away because i need you to pay off this It's still going to take a couple of years to pay it off if you go no fun spending, no nothing.
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47:20$42 ,000 gets you out of all your bad debt And it gets you a six month emergency fund So it's not An hour, a certain hour a week It's however you get to$42 ,000 Post taxes as quick as you can You get that You are out of the bad interest And you have a six month emergency fund of like$12 ,000 Okay So wait,$42 ,000 a month Or$42 ,000 for the year is how much a month? Post taxes Is$3 ,500 Okay, so as soon as I can reliably hit that number monthly, how long is the plan that you're just mentioning to the out of debt? That's one year? Yeah. Okay. Right? I mean, I think because you divided it by 12, and that's the number you need post-taxes.
48:06So you need to make like$55 ,000,$60 ,000 a year. Okay. It's hard, man. Well, actually, no, that's how much you need saved up. So you need to add$2 ,000 a month on top of that. So what did we just say? 42 after tax. So post taxes, you need to make$66 ,000 a year. So you probably need to make$85 ,000. If you want to do it in a year, you can do this in two years for like$45 ,000 a year. Yeah. Then the reason I ask. That's bare bones. That's no eating out, not doing a single thing. Yeah, I'm cool with that. I'm cool with, especially like, because like I said, my girlfriend does pay most of the time when we go out.
48:49Not always, obviously, right? Like we saw in the statement. Some of that's probably ego, like trying to not look cool, but feeling bad. You're not paying. But as long as you have the open, honest communication, I'm certainly not a relationship expert. Trust me. Hinge premium plus extra extreme is not going very well for me. Get a couple matches. And then the conversation dies after like two messages. So I can't speak on a relationship. They're lost. but well thank you thank you but uh but i'm i'm i care so much i'm so passionate about this mission that i'm on which isn't necessarily detailing but it is to be able to have those abilities like i said to build a business that you're not passionate on well because i do care about it and it's it was low low enough barrier of entry to get started and i hadn't started so it was like this is low enough barrier of entry and now though financially uh not the best time um but at the moment i was so fed up with all the other things that i had been doing in life um that the culmination of those things and and um some more like awareness of of self um pushed me into getting into it.
49:59And I love, I'm truly passionate about doing business and figuring it out. And so again, all I care about right now, you just need to get out of this debt, man. And you need to work your ass off to get there. I'm sorry. I wish it was a more uplifting message. Well, the uplifting part of it is yes, once you get out of the debt, you have a fully funded emergency fund. Yeah, you have more opportunity to take risk and go into these plunges of businesses and stuff like that. I love that. You jumped the gun a little early, We should have taken care of one thing at a time to get yourself in a position where you could actually focus on this business.
50:33Because right now your risk level is at like 1 ,000%. It's full red flags being wasted everywhere. So now we just need to make up for what we lost. And that is you need to just work yourself every single week and probably never even see your girlfriend because you're going to be working or sleeping, working or sleeping, to pay off the debt and then have a fully funded emergency fund. But, I mean, that's really the next steps. I wish I could give you a more laid out plan. is not a thing. We have the number that's necessary, but yeah. And yeah. So I understand my situation is, is, is pretty bad, especially just in with what I'm doing, what my finances look like and, and what the debts look like.
51:08Um, and that's really, really what I was looking for, especially coming to do this is, is what's, what's the target? Because I can recognize that how, how bad the situation is. Like I recognize that. So it's like, I just need some clarity. and I'll be honest I was never going to sit down and go through my finances the way that that you can well that's not good that's not indicating any that makes me nervous for you creating and managing a budget to be completely honest with but no I now now like like I wasn't going to take that first step on on my own but it's a step that I wanted to and that's why I wanted to come participate in this in this series um because i had a lot of faith in the in in you and what you could do to at least give me that i know it's not the um maybe the typical like okay you make this much a year you do this you save this much this much goes here you pay off the car in this many months then you dump that into this um that's just not the nature of my situation you have your target now the path to take there again you could wipe it out of me the house but again the path is your choice.
52:15So whatever you choose to do, it's what you do. And then we'll follow up in the future. We'll see what progress and hopefully only progress you've made on it. But what comes next is up to you, man. Yeah. So for me, I can see, because I've already going into it, just going super hard on this business and trying to make the money to survive. And now we have that target um what what kind of i guess what payment plan not payment plan but what plan around paying these down when i when i yeah paying off the debt as i make the money where do i put my focus first more disciplined i'll do some consolidation but we're not going to do that so what i would do is the amazon card then the new send uh and uh
53:02Is it kind of just the percentage-wise, or are you doing small to big? You're going to do small to big. So whatever your smallest, because your minimum monthly payments are also killing you for your lack of income. So you need to pay off the smallest to largest as possible. Again, if it was a different income, maybe we could attack it in the avalanche, find it. Snowball, you're going to see the most progress that way in terms of you seeing the actual numbers. You're going to get incentivized to fully attack them as hard as you do. But, yeah, snowball. Okay. You have any final thoughts?
53:35No. Well, I guess it's also concerning. So we're going to do snowball on everything that has interest and then just keep making the minimum on the zero. The zero, yep, you're doing the 88 until that's paid off. And then for the 6%,$6 ,075, I wouldn't include that in the snowball. I would wait until that's the last debt and pay that off. And mortgage, if you still have it, minimum monthly payment until it's done. Okay. Cool. Well, I'm excited. Like I said, that was, I'm really, really glad and happy where we got to, because that was, that was kind of like my idea. Because I know my situation is so unstable and there's so much risk also involved.
54:14And the debt is crazy. And that's really the only way I could see working out of my situation is figuring out what I need to hit to, in an annual basis to be able to survive and actually pay these things down. um so i have a target to aim at because i can't because of where where i am i can't shoot it like well i guess what i'm saying is like i don't know i guess i mostly lost that thought um you're good man but you just gotta work here yeah and i 100 like i said i'm i'm truly truly passionate about doing business and figuring out how to get where i need to go and i yeah one thing that i've been realizing is, is I just need more clarity around things.
54:57Um, and that was really, really my main, I guess, objective of, of our time together. Um, like if you just, if you do these things, this is where you'll be. Um, and I appreciate it. And I know it's, it's, it's a weird situation maybe compared to some other people's situations. Um, but I'm going to take this, this advice and now I have my my minimum target and then just build on top of that as well um over time and I really really look forward to to following up and beautiful let's do it make some progress seeing what we can do for Santee I'm quite scared to be completely honest it's a terrifying situation but hopefully he figures that now and creates a good income path to get out of the situation for spending in a budget it's gonna be a one out of ten it wasn't the worst we've ever seen but it really wasn't good pretty much going out every day if you consider the taquitos the debt that's some of the worst credit card debt especially the income i've ever seen zero out of ten emergency fund nothing zero out of ten he does have a he does have a house so we get to give him a real estate score but i'm only going to give it a three out of ten because still the down payment is completely financed but he has built equity into the home and he does own the home so hammer financial score right now one out of ten check out all the resources linked in the description below they're what i use or would use in specific situations.
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