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Episode Overview In this episode of Financial Audit, host Caleb Hammer engages with a young consultant who earns about $120,000 a year but struggles with financial management and increasing debt. The discussion dives into the consultant's spending habits, lifestyle inflation, and the psychological factors influencing his financial decisions.

Key Topics Discussed

  • Income and Job Role
  • The guest is a consultant for online media, primarily working with YouTubers and Twitch streamers.
  • He earns a variable income, averaging around $120,000 annually.
  • Lifestyle Inflation
  • The consultant admits to having expensive tastes, leading to lifestyle inflation despite a high income.
  • He rationalizes his spending by “borrowing from his future self,” assuming he can pay off purchases later.
  • Debt Management Issues
  • The guest faces issues with credit card debt and lifestyle spending.
  • He acknowledges he has multiple credit cards with balances that are not being paid off effectively, leading to additional fees and interest charges.
  • Financial Behavior
  • Discussion reveals a lack of budgeting and financial discipline.
  • The guest admits to spending on luxury items and experiences (e.g., flights, dinners) instead of managing his debt.
  • The host points out the irony of the guest being financially knowledgeable yet failing to apply that knowledge.

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Key Insights

  • Spending vs. Income: Although the guest earns well, his spending exceeds what is sustainable, leading to increasing debt rather than savings.
  • Psychology of Spending: The guest attributes some of his financial behavior to being young and feeling pressure to enjoy his income, despite acknowledging the consequences.
  • Need for Structured Budgeting: Caleb emphasizes the importance of creating a budget and sticking to it, highlighting that even small changes can lead to significant improvements in financial health.

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Action Points Suggested by Host

  1. Create a Budget: The guest is encouraged to create a strict budget to track income and expenditures.
  2. Pay Off Debt First: Prioritize paying off high-interest debts before making new purchases.
  3. Emergency Fund: Building an emergency fund should be a priority to avoid accumulating more debt in the future.
  4. Invest Wisely: Start investing early to take advantage of compound growth, especially given the guest's young age.

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Conclusion The episode highlights the complexities of managing personal finance, especially for young professionals with high incomes. It serves as a cautionary tale about lifestyle inflation, impulsive spending, and the importance of financial literacy and discipline. The guest's experience underscores the need for practical budgeting and proactive debt management to secure a stable financial future.

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0:00To watch episodes of Financial Audit a week earlier, check us out on YouTube.

0:30Antonio, Texas, and this is Financial Audit. You look like you're in the military. Are you in the military? No. I feel like I see just like an AR-15 written all over you. Okay. What do you do for a living? Thanks for coming from San Antonio, by the way. Yeah. Thanks for having me. I am a consultant with kind of online media. Okay. What do you make with that? Yearly around 120, but it's variable. It's variable. Oh. but are you saying that's average average yeah that's a delicious average 120 000 hours a year that's wonderful i don't know why it would be in the problems we're into today with 120 000 hours a year i'll just say that but that's a classic situation lifestyle inflation probably we'll see how long have you been doing this job um since high school probably since uh i've been 16 yeah consulting what do you do um so mainly with like youtubers and twitch streamers and businesses what yep so what would you do for me okay so your second channel definitely needs optimization.

1:26Which one? The one This Week in Money. Probably with topics collection and packaging. Also, I could almost guarantee that you're not doing anything right now that's going to increase your RPM. So we could maybe talk about that off the podcast and how to get you 30 % more revenue with a 30 second change. Why are you consulting on that? Why am I consulting? Where's your... I'm just like, why are you the consultant resource on that uh i i have a decent amount of experience what um so i like let's say six years of experience scaling channels so i work with creators from zero subs i've helped them get 200 000 so you're one of those people that spams emails my inbox and i delete every day no actually i don't do any outreach people do inbound for me really what do you have a big following uh somewhat something like that something like that yeah decently okay okay interesting hmm well maybe we'll save some of that for the end i'm curious to see what you think about that.

2:22Our RPM is incredible on the second channel. Um, but it could be better. Probably could be better. I guess it could always be better. Uh, all right, cool. So$120 ,000 a year, how's this variable? So this is per client then I'm assuming. Yeah. So, um, it depends. I have commissions and then I also have bonuses. So commissions are from clients that I sign. I get a percentage of that. Um, so this is for a company then. Yeah. So it's not just you on your own. No, it's not me. Do they come to the company to get to you or do they come to you and they come to me Indirectly. Why would you be for a company then?

2:51Why not take a hundred percent of the pie? That's funny that you ask that. I could make more if I was by myself. A hundred percent. If I walked away from my company right now, I could probably be making$20 ,000 a month. You're excited. You're like, you have Ben Shapiro talk. You're like, I'm going to get a copy of the guy. I talk fast. Okay. Yeah, I could make more and I've kind of toyed with that in my head. But the thing is, I really enjoy working with the people I work with and it's fun, right? Like at the end of the day, like - So it's worth the tax? Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. How much is that tax?

3:17I get let's say less than 50 % of the revenue I bring in from clients but it's worth it and that's worth it to you? oh absolutely yeah because friendships? yeah I mean friends but it's also experiences right so I got flown out to Montreal at one point earlier this year yeah but if you were making$250 ,000 a year I think you could fly to Montreal yeah but it's a little bit more complicated than that it's fun there's also a security aspect to it right so by working with the company I get a flat salary which is nice and also I get a team I can work with so like let's say we have Make less, but you have security.

3:46And in addition to that, let's say that I have 50 clients. I don't have enough time in a day to work with 50 clients, but I have people I work with where we can be collaborative on certain projects or I'm like, okay, this client came to me. I can close this deal. Who are you dealing with? Because there cannot be enough creators that make enough money to actually afford this. I feel like you're probably getting pretty small creators that are probably not. So the average creator I'm working with right now is probably north of 500 ,000 subscribers. Or I work with entrepreneurs and I help them build up.

4:11Yeah, but you can have a lot of subscribers. that doesn't mean you have a lot of revenue necessarily. So I'm very interested in... They make good revenue. I can promise you. Then why are they coming to you? Because they want to make more revenue. So imagine you pay me a set amount a month or you pay my company a set amount a month and then I can help you go from... It's a subscription? It's a monthly retainer. But if you pay, let's say, a few thousand dollars and I can get you twice as much as you're making now, it's worth it. So you make good money because you do good work. Yes. Good. What is going on?

4:44Why are we having a conversation? Why am I consulting you? So I'm good at what I do. I'm good at making money for other people and for myself, but I also love spending money. So it's kind of a bit of an issue. Lifestyle inflation maybe, but also just kind of practical things where it's like I'm 22 and don't have a full frontal lobe developed yet probably when it comes to spending money. Don't be a little. I mean, you're probably 99. It's not like all of a sudden you hit 25 and all of a sudden it's like, I'm locked. That's not how it works. People treat it like that. Is that infantilizing yourself?

5:15I don't know how to say it. Everyone's correcting me on how I say that word. But it's just like, don't treat yourself like a baby. You're 22. You're fine. You're four years into adulthood. Stop trying to treat yourself like a child. That annoys the shit out of me. Like, I know it's not fully developed and you probably have like 2 % to go. That doesn't mean it's just like, it's not like taking the pill from that movie with, you know, whatever, where he unlocks his brain. Limitless. It's not that. So what? Okay. Yeah. So, I mean. I don't think that's why you're in debt. it's hard to explain so i don't really know why i'd imagine it's somewhat lifestyle inflation i think it's also a big part is like you know i was watching a bunch of financial youtubers when i was younger than i get credit cards build credit oh well yeah i mean that's so usually good advice usually good advice if you do it disciplined yeah i was doing it disciplined but then it kind of got crazy because i started what's was because you're only 22 um probably it's not like you had a ton in time to do this yeah um probably like when i was like 21 maybe last year a year ago yeah a year ago it got really bad okay yeah so okay i guess we can when we dive into it maybe so you're blaming on watching those financial youtubers no i wouldn't say that but i i do think like having unlike federated access to like all these like lines of credit and like why aren't you managing it correctly why'd you manage it correctly for three years and then not i did manage it correctly but like you know I have some expensive tastes and hobbies your neck's a little red so I don't know I was on vacation in like Miami and then I got this don't know what's going on there we're all going to get some AIDS in here or something I hope not I think you'll be fine just don't touch the neck alright we're not neck touching alright so okay again why were you so disciplined and then we went to undisciplined yeah so I had like all these lines of credit and then I have like relatively expensive hobbies.

7:03So it was one of those things where I was making a decent amount of money where I was like, oh, I'm basically, the way I kind of rationalized it was I'm borrowing from my future self where it's like I can maybe buy something I can't technically afford, but by next month I'll pay it off. Okay. Which obviously becomes just an unsustainable path because next month you want something and then it just compounds on that or you pay for that instead of paying off what you already got. Yep. That's exactly pretty much. Dude, you seem relatively reasonable. I'm relatively reasonable, but I have some dumb purchases.

7:34I don't understand why this is an issue. You know this. Sometimes I deal with these situations. You sound okay. You sound like you know what's happening in your life. Then why the f*** is it happening? Why not stop? Why not budget? Why not be an adult? It's difficult, right? Because I'm so young and I'm making a decent amount. Who cares? And I can just spend it on anything. You can spend it on anything at any age. Yeah. Money coming in. Again, that's not something that unlocks. 25 years old. Oh, I'm not spending my money anymore. I'm 25. Well, that's a behavior throughout life. Come on. The vast majority of the people that come on the show, you know, maybe they're in their 30s or 40s or 50s when they come on and they're still spending the dumb money.

8:08Don't think that just because you're young, that makes it the reason why. If you're doing it now, likely your behavior is going to continue. It's not just because you're young. That's what I'm hoping we can solve right now on the show. Sure, but why haven't you? Because you know what you do. You are speaking reasonably. I don't know why I keep doing it. Like I probably should pay off all my stuff and I should save. But I don't. I just spend it on dumb. Like I've spent so much money this week alone. Yeah, but you get that. So why not make a budget, see what the dumb was and then not do it? Because I just know I'm going to make more money next month or the same.

8:44Okay. Okay. How much do you think came in from this most recent month? This most recent month? Yep. Came in. We had payroll and then likely commission. Yep. So much. probably anywhere between 8 500 and 10 5 i think uh closer to about 10 okay how much you think you spent oh um how much i spent i'm gonna say 78 87 oh unlike most people that come on you didn't spend at what you make you didn't spend more than what you made you spent less than you made yet on here are a lot of credit card balance increases, but then a couple credit cards that were also paid off. So I'm confused. There's like a couple cards.

9:33I think if I'm not mistaken, two cards in here that look like maybe managed correctly. And then three cards that are stupid. So why? I don't get it. Why be okay on some and then ruin the rest? It really doesn't work. Yeah. so like for me I know like I got paid off I can't like it's maybe it's I don't know so the way I look at it is like if I can't pay it off in full like at once it's just like I'll just like defer it later or I'll make like progress to it yes I know but that's just how I do you know again here's just another thing you know so yeah I think it's just you know I like to keep like let's say kind of those two cards like free and then like I'll make payments for the other ones but then maybe I'll use them for certain things because I have like let's say like certain like benefits right like in terms of percent back on like flights etc food um but yeah it's it's one of those things where it's like i basically really f***ed up with like the apple card um and technically the chase card where it's like i spent all this money and i'll pay it off later and now it's like that just become like the default it's like i'll pay it off later and i just keep pushing it back and i just pay off like the minimum and then some and then i crew more but you know this guys this is this is what's f***ing you know you're talking logically you know your situation most people that come on the show don't know the situation and i go through and explain how bad it is and i make sure i give them a level of like freak out that well defines how bad it is because they don't think it's that bad you just explained your situation you know where you are and you're not an idiot you know what it takes to get out of it so i really don't understand why the we're talking and you're not just being an adult so i really don't and you're probably gonna say well because i like spending i can't stop and i can't figure it out but you can because you've already explained it multiple times so i'm more confused than you i think the biggest issue maybe maybe i'm wrong is i don't know how bad it can get right and like right now how bad it can get yeah so like right now like that's not this is like i'm not sustainable um and it's just like i i really actually don't know where the money's going um i have ideas of like okay like oh yeah i bought a tv right like that was like a grand so i know where that went but it's like why the did i do that and it's also like why don't you budget how about that why don't you budget uh okay why i don't budget is because i i don't i'm not gonna say i don't know but why i don't budget is i know i'm gonna get money coming in so as long as like i keep getting money coming in i can just keep like constantly life is the kick the can down the road that's yes that's just what you are yep it does it does seem like that and i like it not to be that anymore because i'd like to get money in my bank account and not have it disappear in front of me over the course of a month like i got paid like uh some of all a decent amount of money there it is like disappeared there it is again this is i i don't know what i'm doing with right now this is you want that i would but i don't do it yeah for some reason you know if you budgeted you would what do you mean for some reason here's some reason you know the reason you know your solution but you're not and then you immediately try to blame well my frontal lobe's not fully developed yeah i i think it's just habitual at this point um which is why like maybe i don't know how like the best way to go about paying things off is and that's kind of where i'm at it also could be a situation where like let's say i know i'm gonna have money coming in but like what the f**k happens when i don't um so yeah that's that's kind of where i'm at and you know i i know i spend money on like things that i shouldn't but like why um so that's that's kind of where where things are okay chaperone if you're seeing this episode because your cousin's on it right now I promise I'm not that mean I want to meet you someday I'm your biggest fan please avoid him why hey why you seem lovely your sister's your what your cousin's a chapel he doesn't want me to meet you but I want to meet you don't listen to him he's a someone who knows his finances but yeah it's still stupid with them for some reason it doesn't really make any sense I'm a little confused where do you think you are in the world of finances zero to ten zero being the absolute worst ten being the absolute best oh probably like a two or three Okay.

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14:41So don't pass up the free money because I'll punch you. All right. Chase Inc. Yep. What? No, I we can get into it. It's going to get it's going to get rough, I think. So why? OK, so at one point I ran my own agency before working at the one I have, okay okay so in order to do that i had to pay editors i did like a done for you service um and i just accrued a massive balance because i was paying everything on credit i was getting the chase points and i use those for flights and things like that no no no sure but what about the income coming in why not pay it off because i want to pay off the consumer because this is tied to my business not my personal so it makes more sense when did you have this when did you have this agency that you owned uh last year maybe two how long have you been with this company This company, I've been with this company that I work with now for - How much were you making at your agency?

15:34Around the same, maybe a little bit less. Less take-home. And then how much are you spending? Probably more. You said you could make double what you're making now if you weren't working for this current agency, but is that true? Because when you did this on your own, you weren't. So different offer. When I did it on my own, I had a done-for-you service. So I was doing everything from like all processes. So I had editors, I had thumbnail designers, et cetera. So I had to pay those guys. And those guys are relatively expensive, which eats into kind of like my income. so like I was making probably more but I was taking home less so the company was making more in revenue but not in terms of profit so I make more now for sure so you had consumer debt at that time?

16:10no I did not then this doesn't make any sense because I just said the money that you bring in from that company after you paid past on your employees that were already doing things or whatever you were paying this on you said you put the business expense essentially on this but the money that comes in why didn't you pay off the card then? you said well because I'm prioritizing consumer debt No, you're not. I'm talking about back then. Back then you had the money coming in. Yes. So I did. Here's what happened. The way I had it structured is in order to get certain editors and certain things, what I had to do is I had to get them from other people.

16:37They were working with other, let's say, creators and agencies and I needed them on my own. So what I did is I offered them more money guaranteed, right? So I'd be like, hey, I will pay for you three months. Even if you have no work, if I can't get you any work, I'll pay that. Yes. Why would you do this? Because I needed the talent. And that time I had some really good talent. And then what ended up happening is unfortunately, things fell apart with one of my clients. that client had referred me three or four clients himself. So really, really useful in that case. But because things fell through with that client and all of his friends...

17:02You put yourself in an unsustainable risky situation for no reason. All of his friends left with him. And I still had to pay all these editors. The only time you ever do something like that is if you at least have a year emergency fund to fund the business. Yeah. Because you can't... It can't be a month-to-month thing. I mean, it can be. It's just incredibly risky. And then we see what happens when that risk happens. Yeah. And your risk happened. Yeah. Revenue went away and you owed the bills, but you had no revenue. you only had that one client no so that one client referred me three or four of his friends yeah so you only had his little package his group yes so why didn't you have anyone else so i did i had financial guys that were like getting into youtube and gamers the issue was the gamers is like they were paying like five hundred dollars a month like but that was like really like low lift it was very easy for me to do and that was like essentially pocket change it was definitely not enough to cover like okay how much were you paying them uh the editors yeah yeah the editors are getting paid roughly around$3 ,000 a month.

17:51Okay. Gosh, I wish mine did. That sounds overseas talent. Nice. But overseas drawback. Okay. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. But how many? So I had two, so that was like roughly$6 ,000 a month. And then I had 2 ,000 designers and those were about$1 ,500, $1 ,500 a month a piece. But I would kind of alternate those. Those guys weren't on the, you couldn't find a way to get 8 ,000 hours a month with your business that you said was making just as much as your current job? Yeah, so I was, but once all those guys left... No, I know, but why weren't you, like, you scrambled to replace at that point? Yes, I did.

18:22And now, even if that leaves you to a month of badness where you put it in on card, okay. So the main issue is when he left, like, I was really targeting on those guys, so they were e-commerce guys, not dropshipping, but, like, high-leverage e-commerce guys with, like, big brands who wanted to get into the YouTube space. It basically became, like, very unsustainable for me to reach out to those individuals. Why? Oh, if I worked with, like, XYZ, so-and-so, Ask so-and-so. And then so-and-so would be like, oh, this guy f***ed up. Wesley f***ed up. Did you? That's why they left because you did bad business.

18:53I did because the editors I hired did fail through. That's my fault. Then why would you want to be keeping those editors around a pain on them? Because it was not an issue up until it was an issue one time. And that one time f***ed everything. It was like a really bad f*** up. Okay. Like two weeks late. So that had you put money on this card? Yeah. So I would pay them off. Is that when the money? business went under and then you went to your job um so there was like a three or four month period of time where i basically had to live on credit cards a lot um unfortunately just because i had no savings because i i was running the business i was like spending everything i made okay my question then would be if this is a card we want to pay off why are we possibly purchasing 293.98 um that is probably some stuff that is related to what i do now that i just put on but why this is a card that's accruing 100 in interest plus fees on a monthly basis Oh, I didn't know it was accruing fees.

19:47I just knew it would be like accruing interest. I had no - Why would you be okay with the accruing interest part anyway? Why would you want like a 30 % debt on the things you purchase of your business? The credit card points are probably like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 % max. Yeah. You're not getting any benefit from this. So what's the point? You're making enough money paid from your checking account. I should. It's just one of those things where I prioritize the ones that are personally tied to me. Because this one's tied to my business. So it's, in my head, like probably less detrimental if like I fail to pay it.

20:14I won't fail to pay. I can keep the minimum up. But in the event. How's your business incorporated? So I work with a business. It's not my business. It is my boss. You said this is tied to your business or it's tied to their business. So this is tied to me personally and my business. I get paid through my business and I pay myself. Yeah. What's your business? LLC? Yes, it's an LLC. Okay. Okay. But I just don't understand if you're trying to make progress in general. I understand maybe prioritizing the ones that you're defining as consumer debt versus this business. That okay. But why put more money on here?

20:42That's different. that's still different than prioritizing so I generally use this to like things that are like personal business stuff right so like there's like masterminds sure but why put it on a car that's screwing interest I don't know that's just how I have it rationalized in my head I won't yell at you if you contact me that's how you rationalize it in your head but it's costing your business more money why pay a$100 a month fee essentially is how we can No, no, no. It's how we can look at it. Oh, okay, okay. Just to have this. Just to have this. The benefit of having this. $100 a month, would you do that for anything else?

21:20No. Jim, you'd do like$47 or something. You're going to do$100 a month to have access to this? I probably would, depending on what it is. I would 100 % pay a lot of money per month for certain access to things. Oh, certain access to certain things, yes. But something that provides a benefit like this? No. Yeah. The benefit of this is you're getting what? Two, three, four percent? Yeah. So no, you wouldn't. Not this. If it's something that gave you 50%, sure, you'd spend 30%. That's a good point. But this isn't. I didn't realize it was like, that's how it was. Like spending$100. What do you mean?

21:53Do you not look at your accounts ever? Again, you seem pretty damn reasonable. I don't really look at my accounts ever. I just kind of like. Why, man? Why? What does it look like on a monthly basis? Like I know you explained it. We kind of have an answer of because money, I know money's coming in next month. So I can just keep going. but why don't you why have you never taken the time to just look even just like look open the app so like I'll open the app and I'll look I'm like okay so like this is my balance and I'm like okay so this is my balance I do like the quick like napkin math in my head I'm like I'm getting this much so like I'll pay it off but maybe I can just like keep going and like recurrent but you're not so the napkin's not working it works for something you put$500 towards it but it's only gone down like 150 bucks yep so it's not working it is napkin's not napkin's not napkin no No.

22:42Now, outside of the reason that you have already provided where, you know, money's coming in, so that's why. And don't look, is there a reason you haven't sat down and made a budget, though? Because even when you ran your business, did you make a budget for your business? Yeah, I had that. Okay, so why not for yourself? It's just one of those things where it's like, the way I look at it is like, if I go like more debt, maybe I'll work harder and make more money, and then I'll just pay everything off, right? I'll just like force myself to make more money and by the budget like i feel like that won't be that like that won't be the case right i feel like i won't have that drive to like work harder because then it's like okay well if i just pay this every single month and like i'll pay this off eventually really you don't have a drive for wealth your only driver is to potentially get out of a bad situation your only you only fear-based negative reinforcement no you don't have positive reinforcement though um well positive reinforcement is good as well yeah i like positive there's there's less of a fear around here i hope you'll tell me of being like fired for up but more of like i we like to have different bonus structures where people make money if videos perform well if this happens if this happens you know i like the positive reinforcement and that you know seems to have worked pretty well well why scare yourself you're not building wealth yep do i have a retirement account here i don't remember seeing one no i do not so what the f*** are you doing you're already giving up the best decade of your life for compound growth you're not halfway through yet but the amount of money at your income scale that you could have by the time you're every retirement age would be Not even that, by retirement age, would be substantial.

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24:58You can put$24 ,000 and in there for at least three months, their thing when you sign up is you get like 8.5 % on your money, uninvested. You would have that if you were just setting 20 % aside. But instead, you're spending money on a credit card that is accruing interest that is taking away 30%. It doesn't make any sense at all. And then let's say we put it in the S &P 500 instead. It compounds. It compounds. Let's just pretend you're$120 ,000 for the rest of the year or for the rest of your life. Rest of your life forever, right? okay so that's 24 000 hours we're starting with zero zero but we're putting in 20 000 uh 24 000 hours a year let's call it a conserve more conservative uh eight percent eight percent return in the stock market because that's the overall stock market even if s &p is 500 is more like 10 whatever huh something like vlo yeah it's closer to 10 but just overall stock market history okay okay let's call let's call it six you're trying to get to 60 you're 22 years old so you have 38 years you're doing that every single year that's compounding contributing once a year almost five and a half million bucks but you're good yeah it's pretty good if you're doing yeah there's no point if you're not doing it every year you put that off look i i literally just take one year off of that damn it why do i have to close apps why am i an idiot who closes apps I'm a piece of shit.

26:23I take it from 38 years down to, so you went from 5.2 million, 38 years, and I take it down a year and you lose almost a half a million dollars. What the? Sorry, I moved it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because this is the time I compound. You have so much more time now between here and retirement to actually fucking compound your money. But you're not. You're not. because you would just rather put more money on a card. We have the investor's kitchen. Yep. That's necessary for your business? Yes, I would say so. What? What is it? So it is a mastermind group with like kind of like - Oh, for a sec, you're the mastermind.

27:05So is this an endless circle jerk of masterminds? Everyone subscribe to the next mastermind? No, so this is - People subscribe to you, you subscribe to them. There was this - Not really. Less jerking hand motions and more hand check. Doubt that. Yeah, so this is from, let's say, a contrarian guy in my space. And I find it really useful because he has a really lot of deep, deep, deep data that he kind of like - And you give him a lot of deep, deep, deep money. Yeah, I do. Because the data is really useful for me. And it also helps because I'm part of his community. I can see what other people think.

27:36Why isn't your business paying for this then? They probably could. Ask him. I could ask. Dude, you're spending money you don't have. That's the thing. Bossman, if you see this, can you cover that? I'm asking the bossman if he watches this. Is he watching? Oh, I hope so. x.com you pay 20 bucks a month yeah so that's a premium subscription for x that's how much it costs yeah it helps boost my like tweets and whatnot i know what it does i just can't believe it's 20 bucks loom isn't it what's loom so loom is i can just press a button and i can record like a meeting so instead of doing meetings i can do async so i can record like hey what's up guys can you please do this and this and this and this task and then i send it to them and they do it um and it just it works way better because i can show visuals huh this is huge for financial audit For a year now, my team and I have worked with experts to create what I truly believe are the three best educational programs in the financial space online.

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29:04I've heard from thousands of people now who've taken these classes and they've literally changed their lives for the better. and finally you can too at a more affordable price head to calebhammer.com or click the link in the description below you will not regret this so you can show visuals yeah so basically i'm recording a video for them so they can watch it and have an understanding of what to do and why to do it so it's useful for feedback screen record and email yeah that's just pain this is one button and then i can just screen record is two buttons yeah this is one button and then i i just click send and then it sends it to them and then it also just lives there it's way more convenient okay Okay.

29:41Tweet Hunter? Yeah. So that's where I can... 50 bucks a month? Yeah. So that's where I can schedule tweets and I can also track certain accounts that make tweets. So I can then... 50 bucks a month though? Yeah. But it makes me far more on the back end probably. I hope so but you're not really paying off this card so if it was doing... If it was making more technically it would be making more progress on this card. Making more progress if I could do it once? You're just putting... No, you're not. There's a couple cards that you leave kind of net zero because you spend and then you pay them off.

30:09You're not making the progress on the other ones that are existing. Then PayPal, you send out money and then epidemic sounds. Yeah, that makes sense for that. Again, 89 bucks of interest,$620 of interest this year so far and$51 of fees. What was the fee that happened this year? There's a probably good chance that I might have come just completely forgot to pay something. Why? Why is it not on auto? For f*** sake, just for safety purposes. It's not on auto because I prefer doing it manually. Well it's not working so I don't give a fuck What you prefer Didn't work one time No no no because again This month was$2.30 but this year has been$51 Oh damn Oh damn yeah So no the numbers that I said 30 seconds ago Yeah they're still true Yeah I guess I could put it on auto Yeah Then do it I can do it right now I'll do it after this episode it's like the most basic thing you could do out of the gay guy well your fee was actually a foreign transaction fee oh and you might just be racking that up constantly i i don't know which one's foreign oh that might be investor's kitchen that's out of france so really just paying an extra like 51 bucks a year on that yeah it's useful for the knowledge i get it uh there are i mean i'm not against uh investing in continued knowledge i mean i always tell people that course careers is good for like different certifications and you can take free courses and just there's lots of good stuff there i recommend it just like i might recommend this for you but i get a little nervous when i start seeing a lot of different subscriptions for a lot of different things that are meant to increase knowledge because a lot of people oversaturate themselves with stuff they'll never use and knowledge they don't use and not only that there's also the other alternative you know i've worked with people like this in every single company where they have all the self-help stuff they have all this stuff and they literally always focus on consuming that and learning that instead of ever putting actual action into their life.

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32:10The difference for this is like, this is like a hundred percent related to what I do with YouTube. So it's incredibly useful. And I go through it like consistently. Sure. And I could go through like 10 ,000 YouTube classes, but unless I'm putting the action into it, that's all I'm saying. So I'm not necessarily against that, but when I start seeing all these different ones start combining together, that starts making me a little nervous. That's it. So it's a little nervous, but it's not me saying I'm against that. I am against that putting on that card because you're not paying off that card and it's accruing$100 in interest a month which is a stupid fee to pay to be able to pay for your different subscriptions.

32:46Do you guys pay$100 a month just so you can pay for subscriptions? Have the privilege of paying for subscriptions? Because that's what you're doing. I didn't realize it was that bad. I thought it was like over the course of the year it was like$100. I didn't know I was paying that. Almost$600 this year so far. Wow. Yeah, that's... Kind of... Yeah, no, it's very... That's like a month of rent. I would just rather you use something like a Fizz card, man. It's geared for your age anyway, but a debit card that builds rewards and builds credit. Again, I don't know. You're not a credit card person. You're not managing it correctly.

33:25You're just spending it on a card that's a coin. It just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. It's okay, Apple card. Why do we have an Apple card? because it is so much money. Your balance is insane on this. Yeah. Sorry, before you say it, for the audience's sake, you owe$7 ,107.50 with a minimum monthly payment of$447. Kill me now. I'm glad you make money because good death. Yeah, so I got the Apple Card because I can't remember. I was watching a bunch of financial YouTubers. I have an iPhone, and I was like, they're like, oh, get the Apple Card. I'm like, okay, cool. So I did that, and like I had like I started off like a like let's say like a low balance maybe like uh or amount um and it was like maybe two thousand dollars um and then I never reached it I always paid off and then as things like got like more and like more and more so I was able to like a five thousand dollar balance or like a more amount right uh line of credit and then a seven thousand dollar line of credit right yeah so I would end up like buying things like I bought this you are listen I'll just cut you off you are not a credit card person you cannot be trusted with credit cards because if a balance increasing or the available uh spending balance increases means you spend more money then you are not not someone that can manage credit cards because when i see my ability to spend go up i'm like yay my credit score just went up because my availability of credit just went up and i'm excited this is great someone thinks i'm good well you just use it you're using it the wrong way you're using it against every single teaching that you saw on the financial youtube space when you started watching yeah i'm guessing graham was one of them yep graham and he wouldn't advise what you did neither would andre i i haven't really seen his stuff as much but he wouldn't advise that he wouldn't advise that all the others out there and even the artist space like not remita roman or uh or just any of them i don't know dave ramsey not a single person would advise so you talk about how you watch them how'd you go from watching them to up no to the your available spending going up to you just using that spend yeah so uh it's all lifestyle so like you know when i had like you know i know but you had the education so why are you wearing two watches uh oh so who's ever worn two watches well hold on so i've got this one for my health much like you do probably stupid you got the like 500 million dollar one you didn't need that for your health you could have got the simple one uh i like tech uh yeah there's another excuse okay it's not just for health yeah um well it's nice it's nice to have this yeah but you don't need the big one you don't need the one for hikers well yeah so i had i look like you haven't been outside a day in your life well i mean so do you but that's why i have a normal one okay well i had a normal one and i was going to the gym relatively frequently and then it broke and then i also stopped going to the gym um but i got this one when i was going to the gym relatively frequently because I didn't need it to break in the sauna.

36:15It has a higher heat rating. And also I can wear the sauna. Yeah, dude. Sauna is awesome. You don't need to wear a watch in a damn fun sauna. Yeah, but it's just more convenient to wear it. I can track my heart rate and then I can be like, okay. Yeah, that's worth going into that. Okay. And then you have to wear the other watch because the other one doesn't tell time. This one tells time. I just wear this one because it's more of an art piece for me. Uh-huh. How much is that? So this costs$2 ,500. Oh, good. Yeah. Which is so This is one of the watches, by the way. I have like$10 ,000 in watches in total.

36:46Yeah. Are they at least holding their value? Yes. Most of them hold roughly like$70 to$60. Sell them. Sell them. Why not get our debt? Are they gaining? Are$4 ,605 of them gaining 30 % a year? No. So I've thought about it. I've thought about it, but I can't. I've thought about it for you right now. Do it. No. Because the way I look at them is art, right? I'm not using them as like velvet goods. yeah you're 22 I don't give a f**k I don't give a f**k their art what yeah 100 % I love them I love like wearing them I like their intricacies like I know a bunch of that's great that's great we all get to do the things we enjoy this is a hobby this is you know the artist type stuff we all get to do that when we're in a financially healthy place you're not and if that was your investments for the future I would say one that's dumb that's not any diversification I think that's an okay fun little extra investment to have but if that's your entire portfolio.

37:40It'd be silly. Right now, by the way, it is your entire portfolio. Fun fact. Yeah, I do know that. Either way, either way, that is not what someone does when they have 30 % interest on their debt. Yeah, so I'm not going to sell them because at the time when I bought all these, like they weren't like, I had cash flow. Like it wasn't like debt and I don't want to sell them now. Like everyone has like a story to tell and like maybe you don't get it because you're not into watches, but like I'm sure some of the members No, I'm into money and your money sucks. Yeah, but I'm into improving your life and your life sucks.

38:07It's actually pretty good outside of the debt. Yeah, but it holds you back from so many things that you don't understand yet. You haven't been in the process of trying to buy a house yet. You haven't been in the process of trying to retire yet. You haven't been in the process of trying to leverage your financial situation for anything beneficial. You're just bringing in some cash flow. You don't understand the use of wealth or anything yet or any kind of investment. You don't know what you're talking about. Yes. So that is all true. It does suck. I have to move out in January. So I actually do need to pay my credit and pay stuff off.

38:35What do you mean you have to move out from what? You live with your mom? No, no. Chapel? No, that'd be nice though. That would be nice. No, she has a big. No, you're her cousin. We can't say that. That's dumb. I'm sorry. You're all good. You're all good. The green outfit though. Yeah, so I live with some friends in San Antonio. We rent out a house, but that house is being sold sometime early next year. So they want us out by January 31st, which is cool. If you're a foodie like me, you'll want to keep listening. Picture this. You want restaurant quality meals, But who has the time or patience to cook like a pro every night?

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41:02Probably not. I'm looking at, yeah, I'm looking at either Austin. Oh, that's not the cheaper major city. That's the expensive major city. Or an even expensive city, Miami. Oh. Yep. Okay. Any particular reason why? Yeah, so I have a lot of clients in Miami, so it's good to have that in-person relationship. And in addition to that, my family is in South Florida, so my mom and dad are an hour away. And long term, I'd like... Why are you here then? why are you in san antonio so i moved out here uh in 2021 because it was like my roommates were like hey like or my friends at the time were like hey we need a an additional roommate would you like to fill that spot and at the time i was a twitch streamer um and like did the consulting stuff and i was like how much did you ever make off of twitch what was your highest earning month my highest earning month was 5300 and people pay you to advise them um on youtube yes what was your highest earning month on youtube uh personally don't lie okay personally my highest earning month not a lot why would people trust you because i'm really good at what i do um it's less about it's less about like okay so some people are better at doing things and some people are better at coaching i'm much better at coaching i can do you know what to coach that you couldn't do yourself though okay so doing myself i really hate doing it myself uh i could okay well that's relatively reasonable what do you hate about it um the like project management so like let's say if i do it myself i have to have like editors etc things like that script writers so managing all those different pieces i don't enjoy doing every youtube not not every youtube channel has that gaming channels don't necessarily need that the gaming channels i work with at the scale i work with do sure but you could do something that doesn't require scripting and editor obviously great to use but yeah um at that point comes a time thing and also there is some level of like investment you do get a return so like if i did do it myself i do run a channel it makes me a thousand dollars a month in roughly passive income and i have to put that with my partner um but like yeah that's like a massively successful channel like we average business partner or like diddle diddle partner no not diddle diddle partner business partner uh so so you're not moving in into a place with a significant other no absolutely so this is gonna be all on you yeah all on me okay okay um i mean i'm okay with it i mean like you know one of the reasons why i felt comfortable making our budgeting class our investing class and our debt class they actually are really good you get them for free fun fact but let's go i love free stuff.

43:14Yeah. Free stuff is good. Um, but the reason why I felt good about doing that is because I've paid off my debt. I love working with experts and gaining their knowledge and bringing their knowledge into our programs. I love budgeting. It's fun to figure out. So I love teaching the skills around that. And I built a very successful investment portfolio and I love teaching about that and like how to determine investing profiles and what to invest in based on that. I like that, but I was successful at that stuff. You weren't successful. So that's not necessarily true. I did work on a channel originally so I was hired as a thumbnail guy and then the guy who ran the channel was like hey would you like to do some strategy stuff and I'm like sure some strategy stuff so he was like hey can you come up with ideas for videos and I did so I took that channel from 70 ,000 subscribers to 240 I think I want to pause on that though because this sounds like the classic resume thing that we all do and this is not a bad thing we all work at a company the company does something successful and then on our resume we said we brought it from this to that it's like realistically in your mind please be honest how much of that was legitimately 100 % you?

44:18Me. All of it. I have full documentation of everything I've done. I'm more than happy. I'm taking your word on it. I'm taking your word. And then you know I've got like a YT jobs portfolio that has all my work. What did you do? What did you do? Yeah so we had a roster of creators. First and foremost I did ideation so I figured out what ideas made the most amount of sense and then I then gave those to the like those creators. Then I looked at and figured out what thumbnails were working the best in the space with our direct competitors and indirect competitors. Why couldn't they do that? It's so simple.

44:42They don't have time to do it. So that guy that I was working with, he's a father, he has two kids, and he's running the other side of the business. So the YouTube thing was like an auxiliary thing that he gave to me at that time. He's more just exporting a job. Yes, exactly. Which is fine. That's normal. And that's where I cut my teeth. And then I ended up working with all the creators that we worked with. So we would hire creators to work at this business. So we'd pay them a flat rate and they would do videos for us, but it would be our video ideas, our packaging. and then eventually that was relatively successful and then they also learned a lot so I was also working with those guys as well so I was working on that business and I worked with seven creators at one time so I was basically working with eight creators at once when I was like 17, 18 and you learn a lot really fast we got sidetracked, that's okay that's good to know though that's good to know for the future of your career in general so this card in general because you just got a higher limit to spend on you just started spending more?

45:33yeah um it was one of those things where it was like you know you know flying economy and i'm like oh or or like business right and it's like i i can fly business now and then i would and then i'm like i probably shouldn't have done that but i'm like but i i like doing i don't do it anymore i fly economy i fly the cheapest seats now okay okay i i've scaled back on that i'm also short so it kind of works out how tall are you like five six i'm like a manlet no we call them short kings oh short kings you get it i respect that yeah i have i have like an uh uh puerto rican midget that works for me nice vertically challenged yeah he's not only around here is the puerto rican dump truck though for those of you in the uh youtube membership uh for our channel members yeah okay so let's see okay all right so you say you stopped now you're flying cheapest and no it wasn't necessarily the flying that got you there but regardless that isn't what this up anyway because the balance was 6 ,813 sorry 6 ,471 it has gone up by 600 so you scaled back the flying woo no more post uh flying clarity on your seat purchase great i'm thrilled you're still spending increasing it by 600 so yeah that's uh doordash things like that oh for sake why Why?

46:59So I work from home. What is Twitch inter? Oh, so that's Twitch. That's like streaming. Is that you donating? No, I'm like subbed to a few creators. It's just good for relationships, things like that. Yeah, but it's like every – you have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. And by the way, by the way, little reminder on those seven. Reminder, your balance is going up. You're not paying them down, and you're accruing interest on these, and they're f***ing your life, and you don't have anything in investments, and you're going to die in poverty. I hope I don't die in poverty. Don't be terrible.

47:27on this track because you could make dude there are people that make over six figures all you all their life and guess what they still die with absolutely insecure in retirement because they just blow their money every year they live the high life especially if you go to miami i really see you blowing the high life constantly gonna love it there yeah you're gonna love it and then you won't be able to retire again so that's not a over exaggeration it's simplifying your life down really quickly but that's not an over exaggeration where you couldn't be so why is paying those twitch It's really worth it over that.

47:58Now you're saying it for the relationships. I'll let you talk in a second. You're saying it for your relationships. I can justify that. But then the money that comes in from those relationships, pay off the card instead of the card going up only. Yes. 100 % agree. But, however, hear me out. I pay off the other cards, right? So I have the Discover card and I think the Capital One card. Yes, but it doesn't matter. Why have all this if you're not paying off all cards? You shouldn't have any debt. You shouldn't be. That's your bet. You're not a credit card person. I know. It doesn't matter if you're paying off one debt, but you're leaving others.

48:29Yep. The thing is, I try to pay it off in chunks, right? You're not! I know, but I pay it off, and then it gets more. It's back. It comes back. So there's no point in paying it off in chunks. You really just decided to bubble up all the months you would have paid for it, and then you put it towards it, and then you just spend it up again. So you're really changing nothing. Yeah. It's kind of like a wheel. Yeah, so I don't get what you're talking about. I don't get your logic here, man. It's not working. It's not good logic. So why follow the logic? Why continue to use logic if it's obviously not working?

48:57Because you knew coming in here that your logic was broken, right? That's the thing. I don't think it really is that broken. But it is. You have debt that is accruing interest. Is that not bad? That is bad. Then if that is continuing and never stopping and only getting worse, then how is the logic not broken? Please. How would it not be broken? Give me any logical reason how it would not be broken. I don't think I really can. It's kind of like the way I compartmentalize it. If you can't think of a reason why it's not broken, then that has to mean it's broken. Yes. Okay.

49:32So, change it, man. When something is not working in life, you change it. If your doctor talks to you and says you're going to have a heart attack if you don't change your life, you don't just continue down the logic if you can eat whatever the fuck you want and not move at all. You have to change it. yeah that's where the thing is though where it's just like right now like yeah the debt sucks and i want to get rid of it because like it would be nice to have an investment you don't want to get rid of it more than you want to do all this other stuff though or else you do it yeah that that seems to be the the major issue yeah yeah yeah yeah so what's gonna make you want to get out of debt more uh well first of all like because i don't think i think i really uh there are things Like I know I made fun of you for the, or, or, or, or, or, or, blah, blah, blah, blah.

50:20But there are some things of real world when you're younger. Sometimes there's a lot of hubris that comes with it. Sometimes there's a lot of just like, oh, these are consequences. There's no consequences. Yeah. I'll deal with it in the future. So there is some of that. And I think for you, it's like retirement's not on your mind because it's so far away. It doesn't matter. But you don't understand that retirement is now. So because you can get your retirement taken care of. Really? If you really wanted to, I'm not advising this because it means living no life in your 20s but you could set yourself up for complete success if you invested like 75 % of your money throughout your 20s you would never have to invest again and then you'd be able to retire easily that's the thing so I think maybe that stems from this so I have a friend I've worked with him on YouTube and he is I think on paper millionaire like he owns his own house he has I think $350 ,000 in stocks mostly between Tesla and Nvidia and things like that okay millionaire yep and like has like a full card payoff and for him like you know he lives life and he doesn't really work much like he just like sell stocks when he has to and then like he'll buy some stuff back um and i don't like that but yeah and and the thing is like you know he doesn't really like live life i'm sure he's happy but like i enjoy living i'm not saying get to that point but you're not even contributing one percent yeah i was just literally advising not to do this thing that i said you could do yeah i'm saying you're in a position where if you really wanted to you go crazy and then your retirement would be set up but i'm just using that example saying of how strong of a position you're in if you're just contributing 20 and how strong time is but if you just contribute 20 now you're gonna retire multi multi multi-millionaire so and that really doesn't take much life away from you also i feel like this was a pretty damn felix you have to sometimes spend more than you make or else you would not be honest credit card yeah i think i think i do um i know i didn't last month but potentially in august i did um where it's just run it all the way up and I just party.

52:10I can party. I can do whatever and I just put everything on the bar. Are you a big partier? No, not really. It's more like because Miami can get really expensive for that lifestyle. It's not partying like clubbing, but it's more like I like going to very high-end bars. I like high-end things. I have relatively high-end clothing. Everything is fun. That would be nice, right? No, but it's like the jewelry I buy, the clothes I buy. You don't need that. Young and Scrappy is okay. Onion Scrappy is okay, man. Set yourself up. I'm not saying don't live, but you don't need to live the$300 a year lifestyle on$120.

52:45Yeah, that is the issue, which is what I try to do. You know it so you would stop. But again, you know it, but you like it more than stopping. I do like it a lot. You're addicted to it, man. You got that. Yeah. And then there's Chick-fil-A and Apple Bill in here. Some Hibachi and another Apple Bill and other Apple. What are all these? You're like getting subscriptions or in-app purchases and then an Apple bill. Apple bill. What are all these more Apple bills? What are they? I think the Apple bills are me. No. So that's going to be maybe that is purchased with DoorDash. Things like that. And I do have like let's say.

53:23They are in the DoorDash price range. Yeah. I think that's what it's going to be. It's just through Apple. Apple Pay. Why would you do that? why would you allow yourself to lose an additional$152 in interest? So now we're up to$250 of interest in one month gone. You're paying$250 as a fee to be able to have access to these cards. That's what you're doing. So that you can sustain your bougie lifestyle. Yes. $1 ,345 in interest this year so far, meaning that to me i feel like this card will i mean it's a lot of money at 27.24 interest okay oh paypal credit do we really need paypal credit can be a good tool for quick financing things at zero percent but it doesn't matter because you are having interest being charged you're having fees being charged you're spent the minimum of payment 73 you paid more than that$245, but it doesn't matter because you spent$994 with a$30 fee and$4.50 of interest.

54:33And then the balance down with the PayPal credit, just, I don't understand why. So this is attached to your business or you. The Apple is, that's personal. Yeah, the Apple's personal. So you said you're prioritizing personal over the ink, but you're not. The Apple went up. PayPal credit went up. So that's a lie. You're bullshitting. $3 ,915.97 with a$73 minimum payment. Again, why run it up? Why run it up? Up. Oh, it's all for a factor. Oh, yeah. Which can be good. I like them. They're a good sponsor sometimes, and they're also a good, I eat their meals here for lunch. Well, guess what? I pay it with cash flow.

55:19You're putting it on debt, and that's when you don't use those kind of products. Yeah. So I was doing Factor for a while just because it was really convenient for my work is structured. $900 a Factor. Yeah. Dude, it's good.

55:36Good sponsor. But it's just insane because this is all added in debt. Yeah. I believe it's 0%. If you were cash flowing, it would be different. you know zero percent factor that's not the zero percent financing of stuff i like are usually things that are gonna add value to life this is just a little convenience it is it is a little convenience yeah why why put this on debts factor that's kind of like where i really only had like like the ability to put it on um was was the paypal um i don't think i could have put it on the apple card or any of the other cards um so that way i just kind of kept it there and then i would pay it off over time again barring for myself in the future why why do this to someone you were you have so much time man i don't understand why compound in the opposite direction because that's what you're doing man you're compounding downwards it's i hate to see it as someone that has such a potential for success i hate to see this compounding downwards and you're i don't know man it's all just it's all to fill like a hole man you're just like it's just to fill a hole in you oh the fee what was the fee guy what was the fee what was the fee for oh what was the fee oh yeah oh it's a complete fee oh you're not even paying your damn debt on time So what's the point?

57:09If you can't pay a debt on time, you are not qualified in any world to take out debt. Yeah. Again, that's just like the manual payment. I just prefer it. You prefer paying fees? No. Set it on auto and go. Guess what? I pay off all my cards manually too, but I have them on auto. If for some reason I'm the dumbest mother in the world and forget to pay it, which I never do. but if I did I wouldn't have a fee hit yeah I well I should do that's a safety net why not give yourself the extra safety tools yeah um I don't have a good answer to that no you don't so there is no good answer I should do that and that's by the way in addition to the door dash so you're factoring and then your door dash and what one flumps one's dinner yep the discover yes okay So these two cards, you're right.

58:04Pay it off, absolutely. But the money that you're spending on here is ridiculous. Because, listen, even if paid off, it depends on the kind of money we're spending. Your credit score is 640. It's not like complete dog. It's not great either. Not as where I would want it to be. No, and it's probably because your utilization is bad on so many of the cards. It really is. That's the main reason. We can bring up my Equifax if we want. Yeah, the late fee isn't going towards it because it's not considered a mispayment. But the kind of spending that you're doing on here, I don't understand why I add this.

58:36I'm not going to add this to your debt because it's not a debt. You're paying these off every month, right? Yes. Right? Because there's no interest charge. Okay. But listen, you got workspaces on here. You got Biohacker. You got your PayPal and out Venmo and or Venmo service and PayPal service. And then who goes Inventados and Amazon and Amazon texting court convention spanner, convention spanner. I am sports. IME Sports, Dragon's Lair Comics, Dragon Lair Comic, Dragon Lair Comic, Dragon Lair Comics, Hulu, Discord, OpenAI, ChatGBT, Frame.io, Venmo, Domino's. It's not even on a business card. You have these expenses that you could probably do with the business.

59:16And Amazon and Society Awards. Come on, guy. Those are free to people who actually earn them. So, yes. But if I work with clients to get a second one, so they get their free one. To work with a second one, I have to pay it. there's a replacement fee. Yeah, but if I work with them, I also earn it. You can get it with your team. So that's how I've done that. I know, I know. Which is why I've got a few. I'm sure. Do they have your name on it? No, they have my client's name. I would not. That's my client. That's not me. Yeah, yeah, okay. It'd be dumb if I had my name on it. It'd be like... That just won 280 for one?

59:50That was the gold one, yeah. Yay, yay, yay. The silver ones are I think 125. I get the pride behind it, but it's just like, man, you don't have the money. Oh. okay yeah so also on this card I also just bought a TV on this card as well is it still going to be paid off every month? probably yeah probably is not a yes so there is a chance that this card will accrue interest this card will get paid off because this is only the$2600 balance no matter how much I make this card just gets eradicated every month what if you have a bad month for commissions what if the business you work for loses a client like the one time you lost a client and then you couldn't pay your damn bills because now you're accruing bills from things you already purchased.

1:00:33I'll cross that bridge when I get there. That hasn't happened yet. I don't think it would just because of like where I'm at in the business and what I bring to the business. And also like clients churn every three to six months. Can you pull up your account on that? Let me see. Are you doing dumb stuff on there? Let's chat about your savings for a second. If you're letting them just sit in a regular account, especially one with a low interest rate, you're missing out. It's time to talk about CDs or certificates of deposits. and I've partnered with money.com to make finding the perfect fit for you as easy as it can be.

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1:02:08Good. DoorDash, that's a review video, right? Yes. DoorDash, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon. DoorDash, DoorDash. Another subscription. Amazon, Amazon. I'm going to want to take a look at your Amazon, too, because these are all ridiculous. Do you want to bring up my Amazon account or my Discover account? Discover first and then DoorDash and then DoorDash McDonald's. You DoorDash CVS and then you DoorDash McDonald's. Mind you again, it's listen. You pay this off, that's good. But the category that a lot of purchases are the, some of these are in work. And some of these are in bullshit. And the bullshit could be paying off the Apple Card quicker.

1:02:40So even if it's not a card that is being paid off, that money that you are being forced to pay off could be going to something else. Meaning it is still dumb. Yes. Let me see. There you go. What kind of fun is this? It's a nothing phone. I'd say so. Okay. Uber. Mortis cord. How? Contra? Yeah. So Contra is a payment service for people I work with. So you still do pay people? Yes. Henley's Gentleman. Got a haircut for the show. I was looking really disheveled. Okay. Audible. Yeah. It's a lot of the same purchases. Tinder. Paying for Tinder. That was when I was on vacation in Miami. Did not work.

1:03:26You were trying to f*** her? Yeah. Went in Rome. Yeah, but go out. Yeah, but I don't like going out very often. Occasionally. Okay, pull up your Amazon. Ooh, I'm going to get my sh** rocked for this. Okay, because that was like half the purchases on here, guy. So why do that to yourself? I don't really get it. Have you had interest charges just so far on this card? Let's see. you have had interest this year so far meaning you probably were late on a payment once not late on a payment but late on making the full payment hey you hear me yes so you can't have access to this credit card because you negate all your points instantly when you have interest charged even once wait okay was the TV purchased on the card but through Amazon you purchased the TV through Amazon got it so that's what that is okay some shampoo I think maybe toothpaste toothbrush brush screen protector fine lots of ramen yeah you got a poop cleaner and more ramen yep lots of ramen xbox controller probably don't need it but you did get it refunded did you get covid did you have covid yes uh well i was i was super sick so that's when i had the flu uh and i wanted to make sure it wasn't covid it was not some ceramic shaving bowl yeah i just didn't even know people use that i didn't know we were in the 1800s more xbox controllers oh i do believe that coffee table was the first coffee table i purchased when i moved down here hey we have good taste yeah it looks just like it no no no i wouldn't get something like that no no no it's like the it's like the fake yeah it's that fake i had like a real nice wood thing you got like the fake rustic looking wood i hate that look i don't know why people like that look it looks so bad it's just what's available yeah that's fine probably not 100 necessary when we can't afford to pay off our other debt i don't think i don't think we wrote furniture downstairs yeah a coffee table that's the critical piece of furniture we got a couch okay listen cool that's awesome doesn't mean you need a coffee table when you are losing 250 dollars in interest in a single month off of your two other credit cards okay yeah and again there was interest this year so far here's another card that you pay off right but still 745 dollars of purchases i can add it to the debt because you are paying it off but ebay ebay ebay ebay uber eats and amazon and amazon what are all these well first of all uber eats stupid what are all these ebay 86 hours 26 hours 47 hours 23 dollars so we're building up the downstairs so who's weird me and my roommate my me and my room but you have to leave soon we didn't know that at the time uh we found out this month on the first so yeah that kind of f***ed a bit or not on the first on the fifth so it wasn't them it was the landlord yeah it was the landlord so they're selling the house I might have heard that wrong no interest charge in this year for this card let's go yeah you did one card correct but again do all the eBay furniture things make sense and the Uber things and the Amazon things make sense when we have cards that are occurring$250 a month in interest I don't think so they do not return that kind of value those things that you're purchasing in fact they only go down in value especially the food because it's gone but it's tasty though 28 okay okay is that all your dad oh i have a firm um hi i'm here to pick up my son milo there's no milo here who picked up my son from school streaming only on pico i'm gonna need the name of everyone that could have a connection You don't understand.

1:07:05It was just the five of us. So this was all planned. What are you going to do? I will do whatever it takes to get my son back. I honestly didn't see this coming. These nice people killing each other. All her fault. A new series streaming now only on Peacock. And for why and what? Okay, so I have 1 ,800 right now on Infirm, which is down from 43 a year ago. So I bought a brand new computer. I needed a new computer. my other computer like self essentially um what computer what'd you get so it's a 4090 ti it is a okay so this is a tower yes name the specs okay so it's a 4090 ti it's 64 gigs you did not need a 4090 need you did not you could have gone with the 4080 so i stream and i also use it for remote rendering yep you did not need it yes i did uh for what i was specifically doing like streaming and the video encoding I do.

1:08:01It saves me so much time. Yes, there is a little bit of time on there, but you did not need, the word need, as in critical, you could have spent an extra 15 minutes on the rendering. I know for a fact we have all the different GPUs here. I know you could have done it. We've played with them all. Okay? You could have saved a little bit of money there. Okay, go ahead. Continue. Then it is a 7900X, 7 ,950X, something like that. It was a top-end AMD processor at the time. Sounds like you went full top, tippity top. Yeah, I maxed out everything. Great. How much RAM? 64 gigs of DDR5. You didn't max out everything.

1:08:36I could have had 128, yes, but I only needed 32, but I got 64 for Adobe applications because they're pretty RAM-hungry. And Chrome tabs. Amazon purchases continuing the checking account. Oh, wait, what's the minimum monthly payment on the Affirm? The minimum monthly payment on the Affirm is, I think at this point, 220. It's 173, and then I have one last thing that's going to get paid off this month. So it'll be 173 flat after that. And then what, okay, what will the balance be after that? After that, it'll be zero. I mean, after I pay off this last thing. Well, I have two things. No, you said 173.

1:09:09Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What will your balance be with that minimum of the payment? Oh, it'll be 1650, I think, roughly. Okay, 1650. So we'll put that as your balance. Okay. And the checking account, right? Because you don't have any other debt. Right? That's correct, yeah. You have a thousand bucks in here, which is insanely low for someone who makes as much as you. It's stupid. I know. That's like the biggest pain point. It's another thing he knows, but he doesn't actually work on. Biggest payment. I'll have the money transferred into my account. We already know the bullshit you spent your money on was probably about a thousand bucks at a minimum.

1:09:41Like generous. Thousand. What's going on with the unknown spending? We had. I don't know. I'm guessing. Oh, well. It's$1 ,500. What the? Yes. That's bad. So you spent about$2 ,500 on guaranteed bulls. Yep. Guaranteed. You could have, if you didn't do that,$3 ,500 in this checking account then. Again, this is all a choice and you are doing it to yourself. Amazon. A return fee? You had a return fee because what? Okay. So that, I do know what happened there. So I, do you use Wise? Do you know what Wise is? I've heard of it. It's basically like PayPal, but not Dog. Okay. Best way to describe it. Yeah, you used PayPal.

1:10:27Okay. That's the legacy thing I had for a while. But yeah, so I get paid through Wise and then I have to transfer Wise to my bank account. And when I transferred the Wise money to my bank account, you have to like put the exact amount in. And I didn't calculate like the amount that I would need for like the fee. So I put more in by like a dollar. Come on, dude. So yeah. Amazon, PayPal. There's the fee. Uber trip, Uber trip, DoorDash and Sonic. Oh my gosh. This one's so good. Oh, this is where all the food spending is that we haven't get through. I was going to say that number surprised me because I didn't feel like we went through it all.

1:11:00But that makes sense. DoorDashing 7-Eleven. PayPal and out. Cash App and out. $143 for PLFUI.

1:11:15143? That's it. Some terminal fixing. DoorDashing 7-Eleven. What are you kidding? Mostly energy drinks. guy go to the grocery store and buy a bulk you dumb little door dashing sonic why don't you get food sonic is like literal bottom of the bottom of the barrel i totally it's so good i love sonic i recently got it i recently got it i felt like ill because you gotta get my order my order's what's your order so i get i believe it's like the blast they call it i think or something like that i it's like vanilla ice cream but then i get like cookie dough reese's oreo crush and then i get the Coney Island dog and then I get a corn dog.

1:11:54Okay, I had the dog. It was... The hot dog's not great. It depends. It depends on the location. I think I had the corn dog too and I don't remember being good. I do like their ice cream's fine, but there's so many better places like Andy's Frosting Custard. Okay, DoorDash 7-Eleven, PayPal-ing Pay-ing, DoorDash and McDonald's and DoorDash and Little Caesars and DoorDash and 7-Eleven and DoorDash and Sonic and DoorDash and McDonald's. We're on a repeat here. This is just an endless cycle. Uber trip, Uber trip, Uber trip. Why do you not drive? You hate driving? Do you have a car? I do not have a car.

1:12:23Okay, yeah. Do you want a car? Not. You're going to be moving, so we don't know what your life will be like. Not particularly. And then if I move to Miami, relatively walkable city, like third or fourth most walkable. It really depends where you live. I would be living. If you live in the heart, yes. Yeah, I'd be living in Overtown. I was going to say, because it is endless suburbs as well where you need a car. Yes, it is endless suburbs, but I'd be living in downtown in an area called Overtown, and they have the Miami Metro mover, and it's mostly walkable. Okay. PayPal out, PayPal out. A lot of money,$1 ,200 there.

1:12:52PayPal is$63. More Uber, Uber, Uber, Uber. Cash mapping out$325. Where is that going? So much money. That's bills. And the PayPals? Depending on what the transaction for PayPal was, it's either PayPal credit, or if it's a direct PayPal transfer fee, it's likely me paying my partner for the YouTube channel we run. DoorDash and Out, or sorry, DoorDash and Whataburger, Uber, Uber, door dash mcdonald's door dash check in the box you only get fast food door dash cvs door what are you getting cvs is that more energy drinks um no that's probably when i'm sick um like that's like you get sick like every day you don't go outside i don't go i mean i'm paid look at that i look like i know yes um yeah no so i don't go out very often um and i have like you kind of get sick constantly yeah kind of a weak immune system probably because you don't door dash and spice door dash and sonic door dash and chick-fil-a door dash and mcdonald's what is YouTube me?

1:13:52Oh, that is membership. Is it short for membership? Maybe. Oh, it might be. That might be a YouTube membership. Yeah, we have a membership. Tens of thousands of hours of content back there. Really good stuff. Highly recommend checking it out, but you have debt. So it doesn't make sense for you to have it. Microsoft, PayPal, PayPal, cash app, Uber, Uber. And then, yeah, your return fees. That was kind of crazy. That was a one time return fee, I think. Yeah, it was one time, but it still happened. Yeah. It's ridiculous. Your debt could be paid off so simple. I bet your budget is going to be so chill.

1:14:25I bet it's going to be so chill. I hope so. We lived the opposite lives. Now, for what it's worth, you ended up making six figures before I ever did, but I ended up getting into sales, and I did really well there, and I ended up making six figures. But we did the opposite. You're just going to live the high life, and I went and paid off all my debt instead. I feel like I turned out in a better position financially. Even without this business. You're definitely better positioned financially. I had a quarter million dollar net worth after four years of doing that because I was properly investing, taking advantage of time and making smart choices instead of accumulating lots of debt before I ever started this channel.

1:15:06What do you do? You don't do anything. Everything here is door dashing. That's the more fun. When I travel, I do travel a lot. In July, I had a trip in Miami. I had a trip in New York in March I just went to Miami recently I don't think you can afford these man not anymore just temporarily you can afford them just budget them budget them properly I feel like I could get you out of debt in like 5 minutes your income is so strong I know it would be sick you can do it okay so that pisses me off because I feel like you're going to prioritize going on more trips and DoorDash and all that stuff over actually getting out of debt.

1:15:51I'd like to really... Are you coming on just because it's a YouTube channel? No. Since you're in the space and you like that? No. But I would really like to pay down the debt because I'd like to get serious about living my life and this is really kind of holding me back. So with the low credit score, it's going to be hard to apply to certain apartments that I would really like. And with my income, if I had no debt, it would be not difficult for me to afford that. I could budget it. What on average hits your account on a monthly basis for your pay? Across everything commissions and pay? Hits your account.

1:16:18Yeah,$10 ,000. We'll do$10 ,000. That's incredible. That's delicious. I love it. It could be more as well. Post taxes. Again, are you a contractor? Are you supposed to be setting money aside for taxes? Yes, I should. Have you paid taxes? I have paid taxes. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I have paid taxes. No bingo this episode, guys. Okay, so you're setting$3 ,000 aside, so we're going to live off of$7 ,000. Okay, there we go. Cool? Yep. Okay. Because you have to take care of your social security taxes, self-employment taxes, all this stuff. Okay. So your debt payments. There's some thick, chunky minimum monthly payments.

1:16:57$447 plus$283.96 plus$73. Okay. Yeah. Why already take such a substantial portion of your income away from minimum monthly payments? It's so stupid. And then you're still adding money to those credit cards. It makes no sense when you can afford it. Because even in this last month, when you were spending money on those credit cards, you made more than you spent. So it's extra, extra dumb. It's dumber than the people that are spending more than they actually make. $803.96 for your monthly payments. What's your rent? And when does that end again? January 31st. Okay, what's your rent? So my rent is$500 flat.

1:17:31And utilities? That's going to be variable, but let's say$325. Does that include the internet? Yeah, that does include internet. Do you have renter's insurance? I do have renter's insurance. Is that included in that? Yes. No, that's separate. That's$21 a month. Cool. Gas, room, room, drive, drive. You don't, but you Uber. Could we get away with 150 bucks a month in Uber? Yes or less. Probably 100. Okay, we'll do that then. Some months are different. Like, for example, that one. What do you grocery shop? I didn't see any grocery shopping. No, but there is an HB literally right up my road. Like, it's a five.

1:18:01I could walk there. There's a sidewalk there. I do. Good. Do that. 300 hours for all our meal plan. That's for your necessary food. Follow our meal plan. Tweak it to your needs. You're going to meal prep a couple times a month just while you get out of this. A couple times a week. TP, fun. anything else you need to survive,$100 a month. How much would you say is required to fund your business across all these extra things? Pretending you cut back, well, pretending you should, cut back on some things that you really don't need. Give me just a rough guess. You'll budget this out later. Let's say$250.

1:18:28Okay. Going to do$250. And luckily, yes, with some end-of-year taxes, some things will still work out. Anything medical, health care? Yeah, I have insurance. That's$267 a month. And then are there co-pays or anything on a monthly basis? Medications, anything? Oh, yes. How much? Adderall,$20 a month. Okay, that makes sense. Phone bill? Phone bill is going to be$110 a month. Do you owe money on your phone? International phone. That thing I was holding? International phone. International? Yeah, so I'm going to say get helium. We like helium. It's$15 a month for T-Mobile Towers. International, though.

1:19:06Yeah, I have clients in every country. So$115, you said? $110. $110. what else needs to be in your budget? Do you have any pets? I have no pets. Besides my roommates. They may as well be pets. You're not funding them. So what, what else needs to be in your budget that I have not taken account for? Um, anything else at all? And I know your rent situation is going to change, but let's see what it looks like for a few months for three months. I think that's it. Just a little child. $2 ,796.96 so a simple thing in the world you have an extra$4 ,203 on a monthly basis okay this month you pay off PayPal, it's gone next month you pay off Chase included in that because there's a little left on PayPal throughout those situations you should also be able to pay off a firm then it's January maybe instead of paying off the Apple set some money aside for security deposits and set everything your credit score will have gone up because you decrease your overall utilization of credit because you're paying off some of that stuff helping you to get an apartment wonderful if you move somewhere you're going to put the security deposit down maybe first month's rent you're going to utilize this 4 ,200 then let's say because of rent you're going to go up to about 1 ,500 okay cool so you have 3 ,200 dollars left so you pay off your apple card in two and a half months so after that month of saving and the two months two and a half five and a half months you're debt free it's simple get a fully funded emergency fund what you need to survive which at that point will be about 3 800 wheel call potentially actually without your debt never mind that's a lie three thousand dollars a month with your new rent all that good stuff times six uh eighteen thousand dollars with your extra money you have left over of the three thousand dollars just about should be able to save that up in about six months and under your debt free you have a fully funded emergency fund this is the most basic dumb easiest solution in the world it's just you not being a child pretending like you make 300 000 hours a year and then just literally 50 of your needs which will be a ton of money spend 50 of your needs 30 on wants which will be a ton of money then 20 on investing and like i showed you'll be a multi multi multi millionaire there's no more to say because this is the dumbest thing in the world you could do this tomorrow but you chose not to there's no reason for you to be in this situation it's stupid it's dumb don't do it some months you're going to make more throw that accelerate this process what the spending a budget technically you spent under but you're still putting things on the credit cards and not paying them off wholly and money was going to bad things so i'm still going to call it a three out of ten being generous there debt for your income situation with where you are in life it's not the worst of the worst of the worst we just showed you can pay it off relatively quickly but it's still pretty bad that you are accruing interest on many things i'm going to give you a three out of ten it's the most generous i can be there emergency fund no savings zero ten retirement no savings zero ten uh, emergency funds, you're out of 10.

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