In short
Health span equals wealth span for entrepreneurs; proactive testing and optimization of hormones, inflammation, sleep, gut/liver function, and mitochondrial health; risks of buying peptides online; endocrine-disrupting toxins; longevity-focused lab markers.
Guest
Dr. Tracy Gapin, a board-certified urologist turned longevity/optimization clinician who prescribes peptides and practices “precision performance medicine” (prevention, performance, longevity).
Key claims
Neglecting health reduces energy, focus, confidence, motivation, and leadership—hurting business outcomes. Many men have no symptoms but still have low labs (e.g., testosterone). Testosterone is linked to drive, sleep, cardiovascular risk, and longevity. Endocrine disruptors (synthetic estrogen in tap water; atrazine/glyphosate; chemicals in personal care and plastics) contribute to hormone decline. Peptides are “frosting” that work best only after fixing fundamentals (sleep, nutrition, training, stress, gut/hormones).
Notable examples
20–30 year studies showing ~45% lower testosterone vs 20 years ago; low testosterone linked to ~30–40% higher early cardiac events. Cautions about online “wild west” peptides (wrong/no ingredients, possible heavy metals); recommends 503A compounding pharmacies. Mentions FDA-approved peptides like tesamorelin; discusses tesamorelin and terzepatide for cholesterol improvement.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Importance of Health for Success
0:00 to 0:43
Discover how optimizing health can significantly impact your business and life.
“I believe that there is nothing you can do that will have a bigger ROI, return of investment, for your business, for your life than to focus on your health, to do everything you can to optimize it.”
Health Span vs. Wealth Span
0:59 to 3:40
Learn about the connection between health span and wealth span, and why it matters.
“So something I saw that you talked about and write a little bit about is this idea of health span equaling wealth span.”
The Psychology of Health Awareness
3:40 to 7:02
Explore the psychological barriers that prevent people from prioritizing their health.
“So, you know, I'm big into like mitochondrial function, which is another question I have for you and different stuff like that.”
The Impact of Health on Business Performance
7:02 to 9:48
Understand how neglecting health can affect business success and personal relationships.
“You know, I was talking to a buddy of mine the other day, and he's late 30s, and he's doing a startup.”
Hormonal Declines and Their Effects
9:48 to 12:04
Discover the alarming decline in testosterone levels and its implications for men.
“friends, your family, the community, everything.”
Recognizing Signs of Health Issues
12:04 to 14:00
Learn the warning signs that indicate it's time to seek help for health concerns.
“You know, guys focus on getting their T-shot or women focus on their estrogen.”
Identifying Low Testosterone Symptoms
14:09 to 16:22
Learn about the common symptoms that indicate low testosterone levels in men.
“What should they be looking for in their life that with proper activity, like following a protocol you put together, et cetera, that they can start to get their life back a little bit?”
The Hidden Risks of Low Testosterone
16:22 to 17:51
Discover how low testosterone affects longevity and overall health beyond just sexual function.
“Yeah, I think that's a wonderful point that you just made, that it's almost as if, and I meet these guys.”
Peptides and Hormonal Optimization
17:51 to 19:53
Explore the role of peptides in hormonal balance and the importance of professional guidance.
“And I just, I, I hate that so many guys live day to day with this like nagging pain or like you said, brain fog or low energy.”
The Risks of Online Peptide Purchases
19:53 to 22:44
Understand the dangers of buying peptides online and the importance of sourcing from reputable pharmacies.
“because since I've started taking this and I've told a few friends, I get a lot of questions about it And then obviously I have a podcast.”
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The Cake Analogy: Peptides vs. Lifestyle Changes
22:44 to 25:58
Learn how peptides are like frosting on a cake, emphasizing the need for foundational health habits.
“and I certainly would not inject a chemical inside me in that kind of environment.”
The Impact of Endocrine Disruptors
25:58 to 28:05
Discover how environmental toxins affect hormone levels and overall health.
“Cause, cause I'll tell you, I had a period, um, the second time I cycled back on.”
Impact of Endocrine Disruptors on Health
28:05 to 30:20
Learn how endocrine disruptors affect hormone levels and overall health.
“Okay, so we know that endocrine disruptors crush testosterone levels.”
Raising Awareness and Action Steps
30:21 to 31:34
Discover practical steps to reduce chemical exposure and improve health.
“I don't want to be all doom and gloom here.”
Detoxification and Chemical Removal
31:35 to 35:04
Explore methods to detoxify the body and remove harmful chemicals.
“Is there any way to get the chemicals out of your body?”
Understanding Mitochondria and Longevity
35:05 to 37:57
Learn about the crucial role of mitochondria in energy production and longevity.
“Yeah, you know, plasma donation, especially it's really all in the plasma, not really the red cells.”
Optimizing Mitochondrial Health
37:58 to 40:38
Understand how to support mitochondrial health and the importance of testing.
“One, should you supplement for this stuff?”
The Gap in Traditional Medicine
40:39 to 42:06
Examine the limitations of traditional medicine in optimizing health and performance.
“I'm trying to get myself in shape, and health is a priority for 2026.”
The Flaws of Traditional Healthcare
42:06 to 45:52
Discussing the shortcomings of conventional medicine and the need for a new perspective on health.
“We're taught these are the blood tests to do to look for disease, to look for a real acute problem.”
Personal Health Journeys
45:53 to 48:26
Sharing personal experiences with health struggles and the journey to better health through alternative medicine.
“I just turned 40 and I go for my first physical ever.”
The Importance of Gut Health
48:27 to 54:08
Exploring how gut health affects overall wellbeing and the implications of leaky gut.
“Visceral fat percentage came down two percentage points over a three month period, like massive change.”
Health Span Equals Wealth Span
54:09 to 55:20
Discussing the correlation between health and success in life and business.
“And that may be the reason why you can't burn those few extra pounds in your belly.”
The Importance of Gut Health
55:34 to 56:00
Exploring how gut health affects overall wellbeing and the implications of leaky gut.
“focuses on men's health, but even the women need it for the men in their life.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00I believe that there is nothing you can do that will have a bigger ROI, return of investment, for your business, for your life than to focus on your health, to do everything you can to optimize it. We're not talking about treating disease, treating illness, taking pharmaceuticals, God forbid. We're talking about optimizing your health. That is critical. It's paramount for any small business owner, entrepreneur, anyone who wants to really create something that has real meaning to it. To convince someone of that is incredibly difficult. How do you convince someone to want something they don't even recognize they need?
0:42Ryan Hanley:Doc Tracy, man, I'm so excited to have you on the show, man. These are some of my favorite episodes when I get to talk to people like yourself who are invested in helping us be healthier, more productive, you know, performance. Like, I love this shit. So I'm excited to talk to you, man. Oh, yeah, man. Glad to be with you today. Yeah. So something I saw that you talked about and write a little bit about is this idea of health span equaling wealth span. And that just immediately clicked for me. So maybe we could start there. Let's, let's dive in. Like maybe what is health span versus wealth span and how do those two things align?
1:16Ryan Hanley:Because I'll, I'll, you'll, you'll pick this up as we continue to talk. I, I do probably put a little too much context in my questions, but I, this to me, this disconnect between the importance of our health and our wealth is something that we were even talking about before we went live, I feel like is a major miss for so many successful people. So how do we start to connect these and why have you like kind of pulled this out as a core message that you share? Definitely. Yeah. You know, and I'm a small business owner, entrepreneur as well. So I can relate to most of the guys, men and women who I work with.
1:49But what I find is so common is founders, entrepreneurs, small business owners, executives, we are so focused on building our business, on our career, of taking care of our clients and generating revenue. What do we do? We sacrifice ourself. We put ourself behind everyone else. We neglect our own health, not realizing how the way our mind and body work or don't work directly affects that outcome that we're searching for. And so what I mean by that is your energy, your focus, your drive, your confidence, the way you show up every day, it directly translates to the bottom line for you. and so many people don't recognize that and they they will neglect themselves and not really pay attention until there's a major catastrophic health issue and event something that happens when it's often too late and so i i really i talk about it's not just prevention it's about early detection it's about using all the amazing cutting-edge tools we have available for us now to really find hidden blind spots find issues that are holding us back without us even realizing it
2:59Ryan Hanley:You know, I spent a lot of time thinking about my health. I have a hormone optimization specialist that I've been introduced to because I was having some issues with testosterone, which I want to dig in with you and get into in a few minutes. But that's, I've always been into health. I had a health scare in 2017 that really ignited that. I basically was an athlete until I was like 25. Then I got married and lost every habit that I had about being healthy. And then it wasn't until I was like 35, 36 that all of a sudden I had this health scare and I was like, wow, I got to get my shit together. And, you know, I tend to, when I get into something, dive like super deep.
3:40Ryan Hanley:So, you know, I'm big into like mitochondrial function, which is another question I have for you and different stuff like that. And I have like a at-home steam sauna and I do cool by night. I do a lot of the crazy stuff. And some of it I do for a bit. I don't really, you know, I test it or whatever. I don't do it. But my buddies will be like, what is wrong with you? Like, why do you spend so much time thinking about this? And as I said to you before we went live, I was like, I tell them all the time, guys, you can be 40 years old and not feel like shit. Like, both of those things can be true. Like, you don't have to just go, oh, I'm getting older, so now I'm going to walk, like, hunched over them.
4:15Ryan Hanley:I'm going to complain about my back all the time. Like, I guess my question here is I have a hard time. I'm not a health guy, right? So I don't like – I tell people what I do, but I don't like – I obviously don't prescribe or anything like that. But it's like, how does someone like me, right? If I bump into another buddy who's a hardworking guy, maybe owns a business or whatever, and I see his health is not in place, what's something that I can say to him? How do I start to introduce him to a more proactive health lifestyle that can kind of get his health realigned? Yeah. You know, I believe that there is nothing you can do that will have a bigger ROI, return of investment, for your business, for your life than to focus on your health and to really do everything you can to optimize it.
5:05We're not talking about treating disease, treating illness, taking pharmaceuticals, God forbid. We're talking about optimizing your health. And so I think that is critical. It's paramount for any small business owner, entrepreneur, anyone who wants to really create something that has real meaning to it. However, to convince someone of that is incredibly difficult, right? It's like how do you convince someone to want something that they don't even recognize they need? And this comes down to the psychology of it all where you have to want it. And I believe that real transformation happens when you're open and willing to receive that.
5:45And so many people are not. And so this is why what I like to suggest for a lot of people out there is that's okay. Don't invest in your health. Don't do anything. Just get tested. Do me a favor and just get tested first. Look at your hormones and inflammation markers and blood sugar control, metabolic health markers, cardiovascular health, micronutrients. look at your gut health markers, look at cortisol, which is our stress hormone that everyone denies stress is a problem. Do that testing first and let's just see what it shows. And the reason I like to recommend that is because you can't convince someone that they should care about something.
6:23You have to show them why it matters to them. And so what I do with the testing is it helps people see on paper and data doesn't lie that there's some real issues there. And then you can start to tie that back to what's your priorities what's important to you what's it really all about for you you know what's what's your legacy going to look like and what if you weren't here you know what would your wife what would your husband what would your kids do what would your team do without you and and when you start to put it in that frame with the the data to support the fact that you got to do something that's when you can start to really reach people But otherwise, it's hard to get people to want to make a change.
7:05Ryan Hanley:Yeah, I completely agree. You know, I was talking to a buddy of mine the other day, and he's late 30s, and he's doing a startup. Had it successfully starting again. And he said to me, man, he's like, that gear I had 10 years ago, he's like, I don't have that gear. And I was like, well, why don't you have that gear? He's like, well, you know, I'm going to be 40 next year. And I go, what does that mean? I go, I'm 44. I go, on a good day, I still feel like I'm in my late 20s, right? I have energy, I'm strong, you know, whatever. I said, you know, why? Like, this isn't rocket science, bro. Like, there's tons of data to kind of help you.
7:39Ryan Hanley:Like you said, you go out, get tested, figure out. It could be, you know, any number of things that you mentioned that you can fix, you know, through being proactive. And I feel like people struggle to attach their health to the impact on the business. Like, he can't go 20 hours a day because he's not healthy. he he he can't be he's not falling into flow state like he did because he's not healthy he does have that afternoon lull where he wants to take a nap because he's not healthy it's like dude like you could get all that time back you could get that focus back but you have to be proactive and right that disconnect i struggle with why so many people like don't make it and maybe it's just because it's hard right i mean it's another thing to think about is it could it be as simple as just it's another thing to think about so we dismiss it or yeah you know yeah it's failure to recognize that you have any problems so a lot of business owners I hear exactly what you just described you know it's middle of the afternoon it's two three o 'clock and they want to take a nap anyone who wants to take a nap in the middle of the afternoon there's something really wrong you you should not want to take a nap unless you're 90 years old that just is not something that should be part of your day they have brain fog they can't quite focus they lose their sense of drive, sense of purpose, they lose their motivation, they lose their confidence in their ability to lead their team.
9:00They quit putting content out there because they don't feel the same level of drive that they once had. They're not sleeping well because of all kinds of other issues we can get into, and that perpetuates this cycle of fatigue and brain fog, and you start to put on some belly fat, or for women, maybe in the butt, and you lose confidence in yourself, and everything starts to snowball. But you know what? I don't have time to focus on that because I got to work in the business. And so it's recognizing that all those issues directly affect your revenue, affect the success of your business, affect your impact.
9:37And so it's waking up and realizing that you got to pay attention to stuff and it will have a profound effect on not just your business, but your relationship with your spouse, relationship with your kids, with your friends, your family, the community, everything. That's why it's so important.
9:54Ryan Hanley:Yeah. You know, I was talking to someone the other day and they quoted me the stat on how people just aren't having as much sex as they used to have. And I thought it was really, I thought it was really interesting on a couple levels, but I have, you know, again, my gut is not that this is some societal move away from sex, but that like something is off hormonally with us that we wouldn't want to have. I mean, I'm not talking about being a sex maniac, but I'm just saying like a natural rhythm and, and, and into even into deeper into your life, like, like there's no reason why you can't have a successful sex life into your fifties and your sixties, unless your hormones are way off.
10:38Ryan Hanley:And what else could it be? Right. I mean, And I don't know, does that seem to be like, like basically this person was complaining to me and saying, oh, you know, all other people. And I'm just like, bro, like, again, it doesn't have to be that way. Like something's going on with you that you like don't have that drive when you wake up or ever. I mean, I'm not saying every moment of every day you have to be thinking about sex, but like there is a natural rhythm to this. And for you to just not have it means something's off, right? Yeah. Yeah. There are actually three large studies, longitudinal 20 to 30-year studies that have shown here in the U.S.
11:12as well as in Europe that testosterone levels in men, for example, are about 45 % lower than they were 20 years ago. And it's getting worse every single year by another percent or so. So what that means is that a 40-year-old man today has a free testosterone, which is the bioavailable active form that we need. that's about half what it was 20 years ago. That's massive. That's a massive precipitous decline. And what that translates into is exactly what you're describing. It's loss of drive. It's not just sex. It's loss of drive and purpose in life. You lose mental clarity and focus. You lose ability to concentrate, your ability to perform at every level.
11:58And so it's sex. It's also in sport. It's in business. It's in relationships. Everything gets affected. And testosterone is just one hormone. You know, guys focus on getting their T-shot or women focus on their estrogen. But, you know, we all need testosterone and estrogen and thyroid, nitric oxide, vitamin D, growth hormone, all these hormones. There are 40 others we can go through that all act like a symphony and affect how our bodies perform. And most of us are walking around deficient and don't even realize it.
12:29Ryan Hanley:yeah I had a testosterone scare two years ago almost to the month it was it was like early January so I'm from upstate New York it's two degrees outside we won't see the sun again until May but I'm used to that right that normal kind of you take some extra vitamin D that's why I got the I'm pointing over here even though it's off camera I got red light in my steam that I you know help get some more vitamin D and et cetera. But two years ago, it was like I ran into a brick wall, right? I'm 42 years old. And it was like, like you said, couldn't think, no energy, no drive, like just felt like a different human.
13:11Ryan Hanley:And I went and got tested after about a month. And my testosterone was in the seventh percentile. I was like, I was basically at zero essentially. and that started me on this journey of trying to figure out how to do this. I didn't want to go on TRT. So, you know, whatever. I took endocloamine or something. I always mispronounce it and then kind of cycled off of that. And, you know, lifestyle and diet have gotten myself back to a good level and feel good again. But what it got me thinking was if I'm not as neurotic and kind of bodily aware as I am because of how much I care about my health, I probably would have just plowed through that with this massive brain flog and low energy and low libido and low drive for months and not even thought twice about it.
13:59Ryan Hanley:So like maybe for the guys who – what are the signs that – not necessarily just testosterone but then let's maybe just for men and then we can do women next. Like what are some of the things that trigger someone to go, you know what? I got to start. I got to call Doc Tracy. Like something is off here. What should they be looking for in their life that with proper activity, like following a protocol you put together, et cetera, that they can start to get their life back a little bit? What are those warning signs? Yeah, the most common symptoms we see are low energy, hitting a wall early, mid-afternoon, don't have the same focus, cognitive function, focus, mental acuity sort of stuff.
14:46um working hard in the gym but not seeing any gains still have the belly fat feel like they're doing everything they can but nothing's moving nothing's moving the needle there um low sex drive again um you sometimes your wife is chasing you instead of you chasing her if that happens there's there's typically something wrong there um sleep good quality sleep actually improves testosterone which improves sleep. It's a cycle. And so when you have low testosterone, it directly impacts sleep quality as well. All of these are common signs that we see, but I'll tell you what happens more often than not, Ryan, is that a man has no symptoms whatsoever and he gets tested and finds his levels are in the tank.
15:32And that's because we are, we're simple creatures. Men are like, we're masters of adaptation where we compensate. We're like, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. I'm okay. And we'll, we'll chalk it up to just getting older. Like you said, you know, I'm 40. I'm supposed to be a little more tired. No, bullshit. You're not. It's not. That's not OK. That's not normal. That's a sign something's wrong. And and so we tend to compensate for those symptoms that I mentioned and tell ourself it's not really there. I can't tell you how many hundreds of men I've helped where they thought they felt fine. We fix their testosterone and they're like, holy cow, I had no idea how bad I felt until you get optimized.
16:09And so this is why, again, it goes back to just get tested. Don't don't believe me. Don't believe there's any problem. Assume you're fine. Let's just get tested and see where you are, and it'll be an eye-opener when you find your labs are not nearly where they should be.
16:22Ryan Hanley:Yeah, I think that's a wonderful point that you just made, that it's almost as if, and I meet these guys. I see them. You know, I look around. So I coach Little League baseball. My kids play Little League. And I've told this story on the show before, but I went out. My son was pitching, and I went out to, like, just talk to him. He was having a bad inning or whatever. And I just went out to talk to him. And, you know, whatever was happening, there was a moment where I just kind of like did like a 180 degree turn and kind of scan the crowd. And I was literally the only male that I could make visual contact with who didn't have a like a belly, like a like a belly hanging out.
16:59Ryan Hanley:And I was like, how is this where we've gotten to? And, you know, and all the guys will talk. Oh, I'm getting old and this. And I'm just like, like, it's crazy to me that this is now acceptable. And then we all have the same bitches. My wife doesn't want to sleep with me. I can't get the energy to get to the gym. Doing yard work is tough. So I let it go. And then all these things start to stack because I'm getting older. And I'm like, it is insane what the other side of this can look like if you find someone like yourself who can help guide you, you know, through proper testing to this place. Like, guys, if you're listening to this, like, there is this whole other world where you feel amazing.
17:38Ryan Hanley:Like, like your best self and you're, you're like back to being, you know, I don't know that you're ever going to feel like you're 22 again, but you might feel like you're 28, like still feel, feel pretty good. And, um, it's all there for the taking. And I just, I, I hate that so many guys live day to day with this like nagging pain or like you said, brain fog or low energy. It's just, it's a shame because it's, it's so fixable. Yeah. It also directly translates to longevity as well. So I want to emphasize that while testosterone is one of, again, 40-plus hormones we look at as part of that symphony I mentioned, but testosterone alone is directly tied to cardiovascular health as well.
18:19So studies have shown that men with low testosterone, men in the lowest quartile compared to the highest quartile of testosterone levels, have about a 30 % to 40 % increased risk of a major adverse cardiac event at an early age. Massive difference. And so it affects lipids, LDL. It affects blood sugar control. It affects blood pressure. It affects systemic inflammation. Testosterone is actually a strong anti-inflammatory. And it's been shown to directly affect cardiovascular health and longevity. And so this is not just about sex. It's not just about building muscle and looking good in the gym.
18:57It's not even about quality of life. It's about lifespan and longevity as well.
19:02Ryan Hanley:Yeah, being there for your family long term. Yeah. So I so I told you I went to this hormone optimization specialist after I had the testosterone issue. And we did. And I'm going to butcher it. Enclomitimphine or I always butcher the freaking name. Some big long word that starts with an E and has multiple N's and M's in it. And and then cycled off of that. And then she put me on a Tessa Morlin, a peptide. We do three months on, two months off, three months on, two months off. and I have found, again, that to me is like a miracle drug. I feel like when I'm cycled on it, after like the second week, I feel amazing.
19:45No brain fog, inflammation down.
19:48Ryan Hanley:I feel strong. I feel driven. I feel like really, really good. Now, here's my question for you because since I've started taking this and I've told a few friends, I get a lot of questions about it And then obviously I have a podcast. So then more people question me about it because I'm an idiot. I tell everyone everything that I'm doing. And, um, and you know, I only know how I feel on it, but I know there's a lot of people have questions like, has, have these peptides been tested enough? Um, are there long-term ramifications? Like what should guys be thinking about? Yeah. Like when considering a S'morelin, which now you can buy S'morelin with like, just go online and pay 50 bucks and they'll send you S'morelin in a vial.
20:28Ryan Hanley:Right. So I think we need to be really careful, but seemingly there's some benefits. So how should we be thinking through these peptides? And I love peptides. I've been prescribing them over eight years now, so huge believer in the power of peptides. They're incredible. I use an analogy, a cake analogy. I'm going to get to the end, though, but it'll make more sense when I explain peptides. So for the listener, peptides are simply short amino acid chains, like a small peptide, if you will, and that very precise function, such as reducing inflammation, helping with musculoskeletal repair, with weight loss, building muscle, better sleep, better sex, better cognitive function, clearing up the gut, even cosmetic stuff, anything you can imagine, there are specific peptides that can help you with that.
21:13Some peptides are FDA-approved, so testamoralin is one that's actually FDA-approved. There are semaglutides, another one. There are very few that are FDA-approved, though most of them are not. But where this comes into concern is the fact that it's become the Wild West. So what I mean by that is back when I first started prescribing peptides, there were a couple online wholesalers that you can buy them through as research chemicals only. Okay, key words there. Now every other place you look, they're selling peptides. It's gotten out of control, and the quality is a huge concern. So if it's not a 503A regulated pharmacy, you have absolutely no idea what you're getting.
21:56It is a research compound. And I've seen studies where these products either have nothing in them, no active ingredient, or they actually have heavy metal toxins. So you're actually maybe causing more harm than good. And so I don't care if they show you a certificate of authenticity because you cannot prove to me that that paper goes with the bottle that's in my hand. And so I really caution people against buying peptides online. I love peptides. To be very clear, I love them. They're amazing. They're incredible molecules that can help you achieve goals very quickly. But I would only use a compounding pharmacy.
22:32And so when I work with clients, we prescribe it from a pharmacy. It comes from the pharmacy with the label on it. It's legit. And so if you can swipe a credit card, like you're saying, to buy a peptide, I would be really concerned. and I certainly would not inject a chemical inside me in that kind of environment.
22:50Ryan Hanley:Yeah, I'm all about testing things, but the idea of buying a random vial of clear liquid that you inject into your stomach sounds insane to me. Yeah, you have no idea what it is. And the number of stories, guys, if you go out, you go on Reddit or you go onto any of these message boards, the number of stories of what you said where they're literally just selling you liquid that does nothing in some cases because you have no idea. It's not you're drinking it. It's like you're in no way of knowing what it is and you're injecting it into your body. And like – and I think the hard part for people is they – I think these drugs do often come with a cost and in some cases are not covered by insurance.
23:26Ryan Hanley:So some people who are interested in them, I find – I had one guy reach out to me and he's like, he's like, how much are you paying for Tessa Moreland? And I was like, eh, you know, I don't want to necessarily answer that question in a random person but kind of gave him a ballpark. And he's like, you're an idiot. You can get it for 25 bucks, a vial over here. And I'm like, bro, again, not a doctor, but if you're buying that chemical, that compound for$25 online, you are not getting what you think you're getting. Like let's use our brains here. Like let's be smart. Work with professionals. Guys, obviously everything that we talk about in this show, like find a professional.
23:59Ryan Hanley:Find someone you can trust, whether it's Doc Tracy or someone else. Like find someone who knows what they're talking about because while these can really improve your body, can improve your quality of life, your longevity, you can also really mess yourself up if you don't do the right stuff. Absolutely. Yeah, and this brings me back to the cake analogy I teased you with in the beginning, and now it'll make a little more sense. Imagine you're baking a cake, and you've got a lot of ingredients, right? You've got flour and sugar and egg and water and baking soda. And you put all these ingredients together, and you bake your cake, and it's sitting there on the drying rack, right?
24:32And then when it's cool, what do you do? What do you put on it? You put frosting on, right? The frosting is the sexy, fun stuff. My analogy here is peptides are like that frosting. The ingredients of your cake are optimizing your hormones, fixing your gut, your nutrition, your sleep, fixing inflammation, blood sugar control, clearing toxins from your body, getting fitness part of your daily routine, eliminating the impact of stress that most entrepreneurs will deny is affecting them, but it is. when you fix all of those, those are the ingredients of that cake that's going to taste great when you've used all the ingredients.
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25:10If you don't use baking soda to bake that cake, what happens? It's not quite the same, right? And so people try to take peptides alone without doing the other stuff, without checking hormones and gut health and everything else we're talking about. And you're not going to get the same results. It's like going and buying a can of frosting off the shelf and and and that's not a cake that's not the same and so context matters i've heard guys tell me that you know they're taking these peptides and they don't see any difference they're not building any muscle not burning fat they don't have any energy they're not sleeping well and they're like these peptides don't work well first of all if you bought them online you get what you get what you pay for you know but more importantly if you don't bake that cake with the proper ingredients you have no business eating that frosting yet yeah that's a
25:57Ryan Hanley:it's a wonderful point. It's like, it's like, get your sleep fixed, get your diet fixed, you know, get to the gym three times a week or whatever, you know, whatever you need to do, you know, and then, and then look to these things that can make you feel amazing. Cause, cause I'll tell you, I had a period, um, the second time I cycled back on. So I was on for three months off for two. And then I cycled back on. And I had this period that was just like a super stressful period. There's a lot of stuff going on in business. I was traveling a lot. So I wasn't sleeping well. I wasn't eating well. I wasn't hydrating.
26:27Ryan Hanley:I wasn't getting as many workouts in as I want. And to your point, like I was like, oh, well, maybe I'm like growing not an immunity. My body's like a tolerance. Yeah, I'm growing a tolerance to this, you know, in my head. That's what I'm thinking because one, I don't know what I'm talking about. And two, I'm going, I don't feel the same as the first time. And then I had to like it, you know, so then I said something to my doctor and she's like, well, you've been on the road five of the last six weeks. Like, have you been working out? No. Have you been eating well? No. Have you been drinking too much?
26:58Ryan Hanley:Yes. Have you been sleeping well? No. Okay. Well, there you go. That's why, you know, this isn't magic. Like you said, it's this amplifier of a really solid base. So I think that's a wonderful point. Yeah. You mentioned something in there that, how do we get, obviously microplastics are a huge issue, but like toxins, these things, like we read all these stories about, there's all this stuff in our body now because of the way we eat and how our food is packaged, et cetera. Like one, what role are these toxins playing in how we feel every day? And then is there a way or a method or et cetera that we can start to remove these toxins out of our bodies?
27:44Sure, sure. So I believe that endocrine disruptors, which is a fancy term for chemicals, toxins, toxicants in our environment that affect hormone production, hormone function. I believe endocrine disruptors have clearly been shown to be the biggest single culprit for the testosterone epidemic I was talking about a few minutes ago. Why hormones are so low. Okay, so we know that endocrine disruptors crush testosterone levels. They cause infertility. They cause autoimmune disease. They cause ADD, precocious puberty. They cause all kinds of cancer. So clear causative relationship between these toxins and these major health issues.
28:23All right. So what am I talking about? I'm talking about in our drinking water. So tap water is actually loaded with synthetic estrogen. Women's birth control is in our drinking water. It cannot be adequately filtered. And so women's synthetic estrogen, you're drinking it unless you're filtering your water with some sort of reverse osmosis or carbon block filter. All right. There are many other chemicals in our drinking water as well. In our food, they're loaded with things like atrazine. So like most of the crops in the Midwest, especially corn, is sprayed with atrazine, which is an herbicide.
28:59People talk about glyphosate, which is the most commonly used herbicide. The second most commonly, just not far behind, is atrazine. every other country on the planet, every other major country on the planet, it's outlawed, it's banned. But here in the U.S. it's still allowed and it's used on our crops. And it's been clearly shown that atrazine crushes hormone production and function. Crazy study actually where they exposed frogs. They exposed male frogs to a very tiny amount of atrazine in their drinking water. And no lie, these male frogs became female and they actually laid eggs and reproduced.
29:35from exposure to atrazine. And we are eating it on our food every day without even realizing it. It's crazy. So it's in our drinking water. It's in our food. Anytime you're eating non-organic fruits and vegetables, it's there. If you're eating meat that's not organic, grass-fed, it's potentially full of hormones, synthetic chemicals. Personal care products, our laundry detergent, our shampoo, our soap, our deodorant, sunscreen, all of these products that we use are loaded with chemicals that, first of all, they didn't use them 20, 30 years ago either. They're saving money. They're finding industrial ways to make these products now.
30:12And all these chemicals have been shown to crush our health. And so it's a major problem. It does not get nearly enough attention, so I'm glad you asked about it. What do we do? I don't want to be all doom and gloom here. What do you do about it is, first of all, awareness. So there's an app on your phone. The Environmental Working Group, EWG, has made an app. It's free if you like things that are free. It's called Healthy Living. You can download it. It's a green little icon on your phone. And you can scan barcodes of products in the store, and you'll see all the chemicals. You go to like Tide and Cheer laundry detergent, you'll be like, holy cow, I can't believe I've been using this for years.
30:50And it'll help you find products that are clean and don't have all of these chemicals. I would insist that you filter your water. I would recommend you never drink from a plastic water bottle again. Those plastic water bottles like Gatorade and Powerade as well, plastic water bottles, they're made with BPA, bisphenol A, and phthalates, and they leach into your water and they crush you on a daily basis. This is why I always have a stainless steel water container with me with filtered water, with reverse osmosis filtered water. So important. I would focus on eating organic grass-fed meat if you eat meat or wild-caught fish if you eat fish.
31:26Otherwise, your fruits and vegetables should be organic if at all possible because they're all covered in chemicals and it's all around us. It's like a – I call it a soup of endocrine disruption and we just need to really raise our awareness and be very intentional in these little micro decisions we make every day to avoid it.
31:44Ryan Hanley:Is there any way to get the chemicals out of your body? And I'll give you an example. I was scrolling through Instagram, which which as a single male in my 40s is basically how I make all of my buying decisions. Since that algorithm basically has me more dialed than anyone in history. It's crazy. Honestly, the shirt that I'm wearing, the jeans I have on, the boots I have on. Yeah. Yeah. All from Instagram. Like, no, it's exactly what my style is. but I'm scrolling through the other day and obviously Instagram knows that I'm like a nerd for this kind of stuff, armchair nerd, I guess. And it was like this, you know, I just thought it was funny and that's why I'm bringing it up.
32:26Ryan Hanley:And I'm interested in like the science behind it. But the idea was like you, you, you, you adhere these pads to the bottom of your feet while you sleep. And it's supposed to have some sort of charcoal, whatever. And as the blood passes through the blood vessels, the blood passes, the blood vessels, it sucks out heavy metals and different chemicals. And I was like, you know, whatever. I, one, I don't know if there's any valid science behind that working, but it got me thinking like, yeah, I've read that it's very difficult to get microplastics out, but a lot of these other chemicals and toxins that you're discussing, are there ways that we can actually like remove them from the body if, if they do make it their way in there?
33:04Yeah. You know, this comes back to, you know, um, those ingredients in the cake I mentioned earlier. One of them is detoxification, helping your body clear these toxins. And that happens in the gut, happens in the liver. And so there's a lot of things we do to test for and optimize the function of your gut and liver for clearing toxins. So that's a big part of it. Eliminating exposure is by far the first thing we want to do and then optimizing those detoxification pathways. I'm not a big believer in hacks and buying some tool off Instagram and thinking that's going to fix the problem. I think it's really optimizing from the inside.
33:39Now, one thing that has been shown to clear microplastics and is not yet available here in the U.S. to be clear, will be soon, and that is plasmapheresis. So I want to clarify that the plasma exchange that we have available here in the U.S., the devices that most of – like you hear at some of these longevity centers talk about offering plasmapheresis, is actually plasma exchange. And it has to do with the device and the filter size that's being used. Basically, the filter size has to be small enough to catch microplastics, and that technology is not yet allowed here in the U.S. We hope sometime in the next year regulation will relax to where we can bring that in.
34:20But in Europe, in London, they have these devices all over the place where you can actually filter microplastics. And so plasma exchange is great for very short-term clearance of LP little a. It's an LDL subtype that people have that can increase cardiovascular risk. It's helpful for that very short term for a couple of weeks, but not for microplastics yet. Yeah.
34:41Ryan Hanley:I read somewhere that regularly giving blood can be a simple hack to this, right? Just regular donations of blood. If you go quarterly or whatever, that can be one way to get it out and then your body's recharging fresh. Again, you have to be limiting your exposure on the front end or it doesn't really matter. But if you are starting to limit your front end, does even something as simple as just regularly donating blood could potentially help? I think it could definitely be helpful. Yeah, you know, plasma donation, especially it's really all in the plasma, not really the red cells. Okay, that's good to know.
35:10I didn't know that differentiation.
35:12Ryan Hanley:Just maybe for people who aren't aware, the difference between plasma and just standard blood donation. So, yeah, yeah. To keep it simple, just go donate blood, and that can work as well. But specifically, plasma is where they actually separate out your – when you spin your blood in a centrifuge, the red blood cells fall on the bottom. The platelets will be in the middle, and then the plasma is all the clear, yellowish straw-looking fluid that's at the top, that separation. And that plasma is where all those toxins live, where all the chemicals and all the junk and the debris that you're trying to get rid of.
35:41And so when we do plasma exchange, what we're doing is we are taking that plasma, getting rid of it, and replacing it with albumin, for example, and then putting it back in the body. And so that's one option that still is not going to really help with the microplastics, but definitely helps with toxins in general. That's good to know. That's very good to know.
36:00Ryan Hanley:I want to switch to another topic, mitochondria. So a lot of reading that I've been doing around longevity has brought me to the health of our mitochondria, the energizing our mitochondria, et cetera, helping our mitochondria repair. One, maybe just quickly for anyone who is unfamiliar of how mitochondria work in our body, but ultimately, what role does keeping our mitochondria healthy play in longevity, energy, et cetera, And like, is this something that we should be thinking about or is it more of a luxury kind of item? Yeah. So, you know, we learn about the mitochondria a little bit in undergraduate.
36:44But then in medical school, we actually learn about a little deeper about how that's where it's the organelle. It's that it's inside a cell. It's the specific part of the cell that produces energy and it produces it by manufacturing a molecule called ATP. and your whole body needs ATP for energy. Everything that happens depends on ATP and that's your unit of energy. And without ATP, you would die. You wouldn't exist. And so the mitochondria are where ATP is produced. It's also where NAD is manufactured as well. And so mitochondria are really important organelles. We now recognize that there are hallmarks of aging.
37:23So the aging process, what are clear signs of aging? and issues with the mitochondria is one of those. So we know it's a really important part of not just daily energy production but actually longevity as well. And so optimizing mitochondrial function, a lot of people think, oh, it's just woo, some influences out there making stuff up, but there's actually real science behind it is a key when it comes to energy, when it comes to your daily performance, and when it comes to cardiovascular health, when it comes to longevity, It's all directly tied in the end back to the mitochondria.
37:58Ryan Hanley:How do you supplement? One, should you supplement for this stuff? And maybe are there, let's take this idea of energizing our mitochondria, helping them be healthy and et cetera. Because again, not a doctor, but there's part of me and research that I've done that does believe, it feels like there's something to this. Like if you can keep your mitochondria healthy, helps your body, right? They produce the energy, as you said, that seems like a good thing. I don't need to have a doctorate to kind of see like if that produces the energy, we want to keep that producing the energy. One, pre-supplementation, are there things that we can be doing in our lives to help our mitochondria function?
38:36Ryan Hanley:And then is there any, you know, once we kind of have that base again, going back to your cake analogy, which I love because I completely agree with, right? Once we have our base, our cake together, is there keeping our analogy together, the frosting, the supplementation that can help take that further? Yeah, there is. And I caution people against listening to this and say, oh, all I need to do is take some supplements and ask to fix my mitochondria. Timeline is a great company out there. I have no financial connection with them at all, but they make a great product called MitoPure. And it's quite expensive.
39:12It's not cheap, but it's a great supplement for mitochondria. However, if you're eating a diet high in sugar, refined processed sugar, refined carbs, if you're drinking alcohol consistently, if your body in a high-stress cortisol state either from poor sleep, overtraining, chronic stress affects mitochondrial function as well. toxins we talked about earlier can affect mitochondria systemic inflammation which typically comes from the gut the microbiome and the gut wall integrity we could talk about all of these things come back and and and affect our entire system at a at a level really coming down to the cellular level to the mitochondria and so um you know taking antioxidants to try to improve mitochondrial function has been looked at there are a lot of supplements that you can take, it comes down to fundamentals.
40:08And it comes down to understanding, you know, I do a lot of work with genetics. And based on your genetics, we can actually understand clearly what your risk factors are, how does your body work best, and what supplements may be right for you. Because so many people take supplements that based on their body, based on testing, it's not even what they need, it's not going to help them. And so that's really the key is to focus on the fundamentals and get the testing done to understand what your body needs, rather than just shotgunning it and taking a bunch of supplements that may not be what you need.
40:38So for the testing piece, let's say I'm listening to this.
40:42Ryan Hanley:I'm on the treadmill. I want to be healthy. I'm trying to get myself in shape, and health is a priority for 2026. Yep. What, if I go to my GP, what should I be asking for in terms of testing so that I'm getting the right test so I can actually make these decisions? or what's the right way to go about the testing and what should I ask for so that I'm getting the results that we can actually make some decisions on as you've outlined here? Yeah. So I practice what is really called precision performance medicine. It is optimization. It's focused on prevention, on performance, on longevity, on preventing disease before it happens.
41:22If you go to your GP and say, Doc, I really want to look at assessing my mitochondrial function, and I really just want to improve my energy and performance and really just find ways to optimize, your doctor's going to look at you and laugh. And the reason is not that you're wrong. The reason is what I learned when I was a urologist. I was a board-certified urologist running a busy surgical practice doing robotic surgery for 23 years. I couldn't see it. It's like when you're inside the bottle, you can't see the label on the outside. I didn't realize it that traditional medicine, especially general practitioners, internal medicine docs, even concierge medical docs, I don't mean to be disparaging against them.
42:05It's all we're taught. We're taught these are the blood tests to do to look for disease, to look for a real acute problem. We do a CBC and basic metabolic profile, PT, PTT, INR, and all these that I'll argue are worthless labs, but that's all we know to check. And back then in those days, I would laugh at functional medicine. I would laugh at this. Back then it was called anti-aging. Now there's this longevity medicine, an air quote for those of you listening, that I think it gives it a bad name. it's the fact that there's a huge gap between our traditional healthcare system which is so so messed up and broken and focused on disease and based on pharmaceuticals and run by insurance companies and burned out doctors who are miserable and hate their life and and have to see 60 patients a day and so they don't have time to focus on your sleep and stress and gut health and nutrition all that and then there's this other world of precision performance medicine where we're focused on optimization and we look over there to where where we were and i'm like i i can't believe i lived through that for so many years and i was suffering my patients were suffering and so what do you say to your gp i i don't know the answer to that because they're not going to get it and they have a completely wrong perspective because that's all we're taught as we go through
43:23Ryan Hanley:our educational system so one i can uh i'll just quickly share with the audience if you haven't heard this story before. I had an experience this way. I had a wonderful GP and then she retired and I got assigned to someone else in the practice. And the someone else in the practice is not amazing. I'm sure she's a wonderful human, but seemingly not a great general practice for my perspective, because I showed up one day and I had two issues. This was, this was, this was during the testosterone issue. Right. And I said, my energy is really low. I have massive brain fog. I just don't feel like the same guy.
44:00Ryan Hanley:And at the same time, I got a basic panel back and my cholesterol had gone from like 205 to 250. Okay. And I've always had high cholesterol my entire, since eight, I've been getting blood tests because I've had hereditary high cholesterol. And she goes, oh, no problem. I'm gonna write you a prescription for Adderall and Lipitor. And I was like, I don't want either one of those things. There you go. Actually, I'll take the Adderall because I can resell that. But I want the, you know, I'm not taking the Lipitor. If the FBI is listening, I don't really resell Adderall just so you care. But I was like, I certainly don't want to go on Lipitor for a whole bunch of reasons.
44:38Ryan Hanley:I don't think I need it. I was like, but I said, you know, so I said no. And then I went back and I did some research and I get back and I go, first of all, like $250 is high today, but it hasn't always been considered high. I said in two, and again, this is like basic chat GPT search. Like I'm not even, you know, this isn't even me. I go in second, if my plaque is zero, then is it really, do I need to be on Lipitor at 44 if I have zero plaque and a 250 cholesterol, which even my LDL is not bad? And she's like, well, I guess you're right. So then she sends me to the MRI machine. I get the full body scan, come back.
45:12Ryan Hanley:My plaque is zero. And she's like, well, do you want to go on the Lipitor? I'm like, no. And what my point is, like, I felt immediately in that moment like I couldn't trust her anymore. Like she was trying to push this thing on me. And I like, I had to advocate against my GP to not go on Lipitor. Like, I don't understand. It's like, I just lost, I was like, I lost all trust. I was like, that was when I went and found the hormone optimization specialist. Who's been a wonderful relationship. Cause she's like function, function, longevity, you know, not as deep as you go, but you know, kind of that's her space.
45:48Yeah, that was my story as well, believe it or not. Ryan said this was back. I was 13 years ago now. I just turned 40 and I go for my first physical ever. And I'm a mess. I'm stressed out. I'm fat. I'm tired. I feel old and I hate my life. I'm a miserable surgeon. And, you know, surgeons are assholes. It's true. I was. And all my doc wanted to do was put me on a statin. Same story. Same exact thing. And I knew I need a lot more than that, but I didn't know what to do either. I'm a urologist, you know. And so that's what made me, triggered me to go back to school and learn longevity, medicine, functional medicine, hormones, peptides, optimization.
46:31And what I now see is that it's – I almost feel bad for them because they don't have any other tools in their toolbox. That's it. They look at cholesterol. And I'll actually argue, first of all, that cholesterol doesn't even really matter. It's actually, you want to be looking at APOB, apolipoprotein B is the single most important marker for lipids that most doctors still don't know about. LDLP, which is LDL particle number, the number of LDL particles is so much more important than LDL-C, which is the concentration of cholesterol within those LDL particles. Total cholesterol is, I would argue, relatively worthless lab tests that they're basing this decision on.
47:08and then even if your lipids are a problem even apob is high there's testing that will show us that in many cases a statin is the wrong drug for you anyway even if you were going to take a drug and so not only is it the wrong drug for you but there are so many things that we can do before that to help optimize lipids without even touching a pharmaceutical like fixing hormones making sure you're eating the right diet based on your genetics you may be eating the wrong diet for your body, cleaning up the gut, reducing inflammation, all, you know, stress, cortisol, all these are the things that we can focus on when you optimize that stuff.
47:45A lot of times the lipids take care of itself. Yeah.
47:48Ryan Hanley:And that, that's exactly what happened to me. So I've always been good with diet. I probably eat a little too much red meat. So, but that's fine. I'll, if I lose a few months of lifespan because of eating too much red meat, I'm okay with that. Um, but you know, basically once, once we kind of confirmed diet, I got, she's like, I want you to get back on your workout routine for about a month. So I did that and got that going. And then we did another test and it was still, you know, whatever. And it was by a combination of the Tessamorlin and, uh, a micro dose, 1.75, um, milliliters per whatever of, um, terzepatide, that combination, uh, Uh, cholesterol came down 52 points.
48:32Ryan Hanley:Um, uh, what's the fat in your body? Visceral fat percentage came down two percentage points over a three month period, like massive change. Again, just continuing to get a good diet workout, you know, focus on sleep, that kind of stuff, not drinking too much. Um, but that combination, and then I was able to cycle off of the trisepatide, right. And just keep the test of moral in and my, my, my levels of state. And it's like, it's like, I I've been blown away by the difference between that experience, which was custom thoughtful, right? She didn't immediately start sticking Tessa Moreland in my body.
49:08Ryan Hanley:She's like, I want you to take a month and make sure that like your diet workout, et cetera, is in shape before we, you know, go down this path for the, all the reasons that you said, right? She didn't want you frosting, uh, uh, uh, a green bean casserole. She want, you want to be frosted in the cake. So, yeah, I just – again, it's why I love talking to people like yourself because like what you're talking about, everybody needs to be exposed to this shit because they just accept. And again, I think you're completely right. We should not, nor do they deserve to bash GPs. But there is so much more that can be done for you if it's done in a way that's thoughtful and custom and understands this level of how your body actually works.
49:54Yep. Yep. Agree.
49:56Ryan Hanley:Yeah. So with the few minutes that we have left, I wanted to ask you and kind of finish with gut. You've mentioned it a few times, right? I think that in general, this is another area where people just don't have a good understanding of how, how what's going on in your gut, like essentially drives what's going on in the rest of your body. I think people, most people don't think about that. And again, I'm, I'm broad stroking it, not a doctor, but like, it's so incredibly important. And basically we just shove things in our face and we forget that we did that. And it's like, but our, and I don't understand the microbiome piece.
50:38Ryan Hanley:There's like certain bacteria or whatever. I don't understand that. So maybe we could dig into that. But why is what's happening in the gut so important to our overall health and functionality? Sure. So the gut has infinitely more DNA material than our whole body. Crazy. And it's a signal. The gut is, it sends a signal to our brain for neurotransmitters. it sends a signal to everyone else in our body for metabolism. It controls hormone production. It controls almost everything in some way, shape, or form. And so the gut is, I really believe, your health starts and ends in the gut. Now, I want to clarify.
51:20I'm not talking about do you have any irregularity, any cramping. I'm not talking about any of that kind of stuff because most people who have gut issues have absolutely no symptoms. So I don't mean gut issues in that type of sense. When we're talking about the gut, what we're talking about is you have this balance. To make it simplistic, to make this concept easy to understand, it's literally good and bad. You have this battle going on in the gut between the good microbes, the good healthy organisms. You need bacteria in your gut to produce key hormones, produce nitric oxide, produce butyrate, produce these other key molecules.
51:58You know, GLP-1, GLP-1 is, you know, semaglutide, teresepatide, these peptides that we now talk about. GLP-1 is actually made in the gut and is made by the L cell, a specific cell lining your gut. And it needs acromantia, a key microbe, to make it work. Without acromantia, that cell doesn't produce GLP-1. So we believe a lot of obesity issues may actually tie back down to the microbiome as a driving force for that. And so our bodies make GLP-1s. They make a lot of hormones. Neurotransmitters get affected by the gut. And so this balance between good and bad is really important. It also affects the gut lining.
52:39So our gut lining is composed of a bunch of cells stacked next to each other with a mucus protective layer, an immune layer called the secretory IgA layer. It's full of immune cells and mucus, and it protects that gut wall so that only single molecules of fats and carbohydrates and amino acids can get absorbed through those cells. When you get breakdown of that gut wall, suddenly food particles can now leak, creep between those broken down cells. and once these food particles get below that cell wall, that cell line, now everything starts to go haywire. It triggers an immune response. You get systemic inflammation.
53:23You get food sensitivities. It affects thyroid.
53:26Ryan Hanley:Is that when people refer to leaky gut? That is what we're talking about. Exactly. It's breakdown of the gut wall, and typically it's from alcohol and stress and poor diet and breakdown of the microbiome, breakdown of the protective layer of the gut, and that leads to leaky gut. And that's when you have issues with thyroid problems, issues with autoimmune disease, issues with brain fog, issues with I can't burn fat, I can't build muscle with low energy. All these symptoms you're like, oh wait, I thought that was testosterone. It may actually be coming from your gut. And so this is where, again, it comes back to tying back to, you know, where we started almost an hour ago that people think my gut's fine.
54:05Well, okay, let's just test it and see and you'll be shocked to find that it's probably not. And that may be the reason why you can't burn those few extra pounds in your belly.
54:14Ryan Hanley:Tracy, I could talk to you for hours. I have like 30 more questions. Love to have you back on the show sometime because there's so many things that I want to talk to you about because I just taking it all the way back to where we started. I believe as much as I believe anything that helped this idea that you talk about of health span equals wealth span. I just it's absolutely positively the case. your success long-term, right? We can have microbursts of success, maybe if we're unhealthy, but if you wanna consistently be healthy and have strong relationships and be around for your kids and your partner and all the fun things you're supposed to be working for in your life that you actually wanna do someday, right?
54:55Ryan Hanley:Like why be hunched over and barely able to walk and miserable and unhappy and brain foggy and low energy when you actually get to go do the fun stuff that you've built this business to provide for? And I love that there are people out there like you who are focused on this, who are sharing the message, who are doing it in a way that's very understandable. So for the people who've listened to this that are like, I want to either get deeper into your world or work with you specifically, where do they do that? How do they do that? Thanks so much. So website is GapinInstitute.com. That's G-A-P-I-N Institute.com.
55:27And I have a gift. So if you go to GappinInstitute.com forward slash launch, as in peak launch, so L-A-U-N-C-H. I have, first of all, a complimentary copy of my best-selling book, Male 2.0, which focuses on men's health, but even the women need it for the men in their life. And I have a high-performance health handbook, which is 15 strategies and tactics everyone can start using today. And then finally, I have an ultimate peptide guide there for you as well. So really a detailed scientific deep dive into a lot of the peptides that we use today.
55:56Ryan Hanley:Tremendous. guys. I'll have that link right at the top of the description, wherever you're listening to the show, or if you're watching on YouTube, just scroll down. I'll have the link right there. Make sure you go over and check it out. Your, your, your health span is equal to your wealth span, my friends and Dr. Tracy. I appreciate the hell out of you, man.
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