What He Learned Climbing the World's Tallest Peaks

27:44You went for a long run yesterday. You don't need to do it today. In that moment, right, where you really get a strong pull, right? Some days you wake up, you're ready to go. And those days when you get that pull to just, man, that couch is calling my name. How do you get past that? What's your process for making sure that you stay committed to the task that you set yourself to? Yeah, I love that. And it was funny. I was actually thinking about this on Tuesday because I had a big leg workout on Tuesday. And I call it the bargaining. First of all, let me tell you this. is that every single day I face this question because there's certain parts of every single day where I'm like, I know I need to be doing this, but this over here looks a little more easier or interesting or whatever.

28:35But when I talk about the bargaining is there's always a part in everything we do that's demanding where there's going to be some piece of you that's trying to get you to do something easier. Or it's like, you know, maybe, maybe my glute is just a little tweak today, or maybe my heart rate's a little low. So maybe I didn't sleep quite as well. Maybe I'm a little bit tired so I can take, you know, a couple of heart rate off this run, or maybe I'll stop at 20 minutes earlier. Maybe I'll stop the set three reps sooner. And I just laugh and I call it the bargaining. And it's like, I've been doing this long enough that I look for it because I know it's coming.

29:11And I still, again, I still do it on a daily basis, you know? And it's like when I was going through this leg workout the other day, this thing was 750 reps per leg. So you're talking 1 ,500 total reps. And when I was walking in there, I'm like, oh, I'm going to tear this thing a new asshole. And I'm ready to go. And I'm motivated. And about halfway in it, I'm like, you know what? Maybe my glutes a little tweaked. Maybe I can stop this set. So it's like I even face it. But what I think about is that my life is not just about me. is more importantly, it's the role that I play in the world, and it's the role that I play in the lives of others.

29:52And this ties back to what we were talking about earlier is about setting a standard. And I know that if I set a standard and I fail to meet that standard, I'm not only letting myself down, but more importantly, I'm letting others down that are depending on me. And these are people that may be just in my direct everyday lives, or these may be people that never meet me, but because I honestly believe that everything we do will eventually impact everybody else, I feel like I'm letting them down as well. And what I think about is when I'm telling people that are close to me, hey, I love you and I'm here for you and I will help you in any way that I can.

30:28It's like, what person is standing behind that pledge? You know, what capabilities does that person have? And it's like, if I'm, you know, if I'm with a bunch of friends on Christmas morning opening up presents, what person is sitting there? Is that person the one that fought through all those days to be the best version of themselves for everyone? Or did that person give up every single day, and now I'm sitting there a shell of the person I could possibly be for them? And I know that gets a little heady and gets a little intense, but honestly, that's how I think about it, is when I understand that I'm not just doing this for me, I'm doing this for everyone.

31:06and that helps to kind of increase my perspective and you know get through a lot of it yeah no there's there's a lot in there and dude go heady as much as you want because i think the surface level shit doesn't matter right this this this underlying stuff is what really in my mind why i do this show i i do this show not for tactics trip tricks and strategies because we can chat gpt that shit today, right? I want to know like how, you know, it's the deeper questions that keep us there. I have this TEDx talk that I'm working on that right now is scheduled for the spring of 2025 that is all about the idea of status, right?

31:50So you're climbing mountains and skiing to the South Pole and, you know, you played football at a high level. You've been, you know, an M &A investment banker, you've done incredible things that some of which individually would be a life's achievement and you've done multiple of them. And that sets you apart as a different kind of person than most people we bump into in our lives. And I have a philosophy or a theory, we'll put it as a theory, and this is where I want your feedback, that there is a large pull on people not to achieve their highest goal because of the change in status that they will experience in achieving that thing, right?

32:38If you want to go climb even one of the highest peaks in the world, you have to dedicate yourself. You have to put months, if not years of work in training, equipment, time away from family, time away from friends, right? You can't go get a beer and, you know, or 10 beers on a Friday with your buddies watching college basketball. If you're trying to get to this next level physical goal, which starts to change your status in a community. All of a sudden, you're not one of the beer drinking buddies. You're like this fitness guy. And it's these status changes. I believe status changes up actually restrain us more than the potential for a status change down.

33:19We're like, we could, we can explain away or excuse away or justify away a status change down and people will come around us and you're okay. And we're here for you, but it's the status change up, I think that creates the most fear because it takes you out of a community that you know really well and puts you into that you become someone different. And one, do you agree with that? And two, in your own life, have you had to deal with that and now have you? Yeah, I think that's a fantastic point. And I haven't thought about it in that context, but just kind of think about it as you're speaking through it.

33:52I think it's very well said. I think you've got a great basis there for that talk. And I'd love to hear that once it finally kicks off. But that is something that I have, I was going to say struggled with, but I don't want to say that it's something that I have dealt with. And I think it's even my closest friends here in L.A. And I've been very fortunate to build a great network of people that love me tremendously and they're there for me and I'm there for them. And I'm very fortunate in that regard. But when I started making a lot of these friends is back when I was in my party days, when I was going out four or five nights a week and I wasn't training.

34:31I mean, I was out, you know, getting drunk, doing drugs, you know, partying and traveling and, you know, all this kind of stuff. And, you know, when I moved away from that and I and I finally found a sense of purpose in my life for the first time, I found a better sense of direction. I started moving to that is I was naturally, you know, starting to disconnect more and more from those people. And it was it was a it was a challenging time. It was a confusing time. And what I found that worked for me was is I wasn't asking them what they thought about it or what they thought about me or about any of that kind of stuff.

35:07It's I simply determined the direction that I felt was the most authentic in my life at that time that was going to create the best version of myself. and I knew once you kind of start to get on that path, you can feel it. And I'm not saying you're going to have total clarity, but you feel a greater sense of just understanding and connection and ease. And once I had that, that felt so good to me and it felt so right to me that I was willing to risk anything and everything in order to start to move in that direction. And to that point is I stopped seeing people that I saw that I would see once a week.

35:44Now I see them once a year, literally, you know, stuff like that. And it's just like we're talking about earlier is every single thing in life has a cost. You can't do everything all the time. So you just have to understand, you know, what's what is most important to you in that, you know, I've lost certain people out of my life, but now I've also gained certain people in my life. and maybe I have a little bit less of total elements in my life, but the things I have now are more substantive and they mean more to me. So it's a little more austere of a lifestyle, but I enjoy it so much more and it makes me a better person.

36:20And I think it's just, you know, you just have to understand that, you know, things have costs. Yeah. There's a quote by Ralph Walder Emerson that has been, since the first time I read it, it has been a driving principle. And at some point I'll have it tattooed on my, on my arm. I'm working on a sleeve on my left arm and it's God will not make manifest the work of cowards. And for some reason that quote, just like the first time I read those words, it just like imprinted on my brain, this idea that we know the cowardly decision. And a lot of people don't like that word because it feels very harsh.

37:02I don't necessarily care. I think we need that type of language in our lives. But we know we can feel it, right? And we're choosing a lesser version of ourselves every time we make those decisions. We all make them, and that's why we give grace. But that idea that the cowardly decision does not lead you to that promised land, to whatever that is for you. It could be, I want to be an incredible dad, right? That could be your goal. I want to be there for my kids and be the most awesome. So don't do the things that take you away. That could be scrolling on your phone. It could be taking a work phone call at dinner.

37:37You know what I mean? Like it doesn't all have to be high achievement that gets you national recognition. I feel like we misconstrue what living in your terms and authentic life is right. Like everyone's authentic, you know, dialed in peak version of themselves doesn't have to be something that the national news media wants to cover or that monster wants to sponsor, right? It doesn't have to be that it can be whatever that thing is. I want to be, you know, the best accountant in my town. I want, you know what I mean? Or I want to be able to work on this type of deal or I want to be an incredible spouse or partner or whatever.

38:12Like these goals, the achievement of a goal doesn't have to accrue you recognition to be worthy of the pursuit. And I think that's such an important thing to talk about. And I just, as you're talking, that's like, I just love your mindset. So, okay, so I want to transition into some of the things that you probably expected me to ask you when you logged in today and we were starting to talk about, but you had an experience. I want to take first a quick stop in 2016, and then I want to fast forward to 2021 and the things you've done past there. So 2016, you have two kind of major negative impacts in your life.

38:48You lose your mom, you have a hard breakup, and then you go on and start doing solo training. And correct me if I have some of the timeline wrong, but very interested in this idea of solo training. And I'll give you my experience to why I found this so intriguing that I really want you to expand on it. I made the very simple decision. I do ruck walks, right? I actually have the 5-1-1 ruck vest. I do 40 pound ruck walks almost every day. And I used to wear ear pods and listen to podcasts and stuff. And then one day I just walked out of the house by accident. I was thinking about a couple of different things, put my vest on, boom, out the house I went.

39:26I got 10 minutes into my walk and realized I didn't have the ear pods in and you're, I had all these things going. Yeah. Yeah. And all of a sudden I'm like, well, I'm not going back now. Right. So I did the hour long. I do our, so I go out, you know, whatever, 30 minutes out, 30 minutes back. And I came back and I was like, the, the, the, the ideas that crept into my mind, the, the good, the bad, you know, I started, you know, Hey, Hey, you got a, you haven't followed up with this person or, you know, you're slacking on it. like, sorry, I apologize to everyone, decided to take in. Sorry. So what is it about solo training in particular?

40:08And as you state in a lot of your work, distraction free solo training that you found to be so captivating, and that became such a part of your life? Yeah, it's so 100 % to this point is 100 % of my daily training is I do alone. And for me, it's been a critical element to my success. And I look at why am I doing what I'm doing. And I'm doing it for a variety of reasons. Because obviously I'm going out there on a physical front to increase my physical capabilities, to increase my technical skills, all that kind of stuff. But more importantly, this training and this physical exertion is I see it as a tool of self, of introspection and self-reflection.

40:55It's simply a tool. And that's why I choose to train alone. Number one is to make sure that I'm not being motivated by some exterior force or presence because you never know when you're going to be alone. You never know when you're going to have someone there. And I can tell you in a lot of your hardest moments in life, whether it be actually on a mountain or sitting alone in your bedroom or in the car and you need to make a decision or you need to do something, is you're going to be alone. And so I think, you know, in those times, it's critically important to me to prove to myself that I have the ability to perform and I don't need some sense of exterior motivation, you know, to do so.

41:32But also, you want to say that it's a tool and allows me to connect with myself and reflect on certain elements about myself is when you get out there and you get in these stressful situations and you don't have that external stimuli. So I'm not hearing the theme track to Rocky, you know, in my head, or I'm not hearing some motivational speaker telling me how I can adapt and overcome and push through the suck and all this stuff is you'll, you'll feel that when the more you get towards your limits, the more on comfort on discomfort that, that we experience is our minds tend to speed up and they tend to get noisier.

42:09and the more you push, the harder you go, the more they speed up and the noisier they get. And it's almost like you're moving through an hourglass is kind of how I like to think about it. So in the beginning, there's all this room. There's no pressure. It's nice and easy. But as you kind of get down to that final funnel point and your mind is just absolutely screaming and it's wanting you to stop and it's wanting just to come up with every excuse to get out of it, if you can just push through just in that moment, recognize what's going on, Force yourself to get quiet, to get comfortable in it, to release into it, not to be scared of it.

42:43And if you can just hang on for sometimes it's literally just a few seconds. And I mean that literally a few seconds. Sometimes it's hours, sometimes it's days. But you can get through to what I call the other side. And I'm telling you, things just open up. Your life opens up. Your mind opens up. Your understanding opens up. your your everything you can possibly imagine just opens up to this deeter this deeper greater understanding and i've experienced that time and time and time again when i finally break my personal gravitational field and i get through to the other side and my awareness opens up my capabilities opens up it's it's just not to sound cheesy it's just it's a magical feeling and it's something that that you just become you know aware of and almost addicted to where i know where I'm trying to get.

43:34And that training alone enables me to get to that point more effectively. Yeah. Um, I was listening to Steven Kotler, who's a flow researcher and he, he, different words, similar. He said the, you know, one of the things he said is the, you have to go through what you just described that sped up noisy, you know, your, your body's screaming, you know, I'm going to fall apart, your mind screaming fear and doubt and all these things. And like you said, if you can get to the other side, that's where flow lives. And like, you've heard every major athlete, and I'm sure you've experienced as well, where like, when you can get through that moment, it's like the world slows down, like the doves come out.

44:16And you're just like, it's like you can see and predict and move and do things that you didn't even know you were capable of doing. But it is it's like, Like, and to your exact point, like, there's a cost to getting to flow, right? Like, people try to do it with drugs. People try to do it with all these different techniques. And at the end of the day, you just have to paddle through the tumult to get to the ease. It's just to get there. Like, it's just, it's impossible. And when your mind is filled with music or someone else's words, you're not, what you're not going to get is the tumult, right?

44:51Those are like keeping you from getting to all that stuff because it's keeping your brain occupied on less than 100 % on the full task. Yeah. Yeah. You said that very well. And just in this one point I think is important to understand the distinction is that it doesn't have to necessarily be physical. This can be just psychological, emotional stuff. or maybe you're going to have a conversation with your partner, your husband, your wife, your business partner, whatever it is. Or maybe you're going to have, there's something that you've been putting off, something internal that you need to deal with that you've been putting off.

45:30So it's like it doesn't just have to be physical. We can find these moments and a lot of different challenges that we face in life. But the key is, and this ties into the book and a lot of the concepts I talk about of strength and surrender, is this ties into surrender. And what I mean by surrender is not giving up and giving in and going along, but it's moving towards your greatest fears and trepidations and challenges and allowing yourself to experience them to the absolute fullest and not running from them and not fighting them. because when you fight them is you feed them. But allowing yourself to feel the magnitude of whatever challenge it is you're facing, that is the only true way to effectively surrender.

46:16And in my opinion, the only real way to get to that other side, you know, fully and authentically as you possibly can. Yeah, right. It's, it's, we've heard the quote a thousand times, but the only way out is through. Okay. Fast forward to 2021. you decide that you're going to start actually putting real legitimate fear of death into your life. You're going to start doing some extreme activities. Talk to me about, maybe just explain for the audiences, like some of these things that you have done, the challenge that you set for yourself, and then let's get into why you actually decided to take this on.

46:56Yeah. So just a quick overview and I apologize because there's a lot of detail here. So I'll do my best to scale it down. But it's so in 2018, a very good friend of mine, J.J. Blonsky and I started Dawson's Peak Foundation, which is a 501c3 that we have, is that our mission is to inspire the discovery and pursuit of individual purpose, to get people to understand that we're all capable of living greater lives, not only for ourselves, but for others, the benefit of others to move from self-centered to service-centered. And the way that we do that is we create large-scale global expeditions. We sponsor athletes where viewers can draw parallels between themselves and the athletes and to say, you know, if this person is doing X, Y, and Z, I can find something comparable in my life, whether it be a physical pursuit or an emotional pursuit, professional pursuit, whatever it is, and I can try to achieve that.

47:46So in a nutshell, that's kind of who we are and what we do. And the current project we have is called Seven for Soldiers, where I'm essentially the guinea pig, you know, for it. And the original intent was to set seven world records in 12 months. So from May 2021 to May 2022, where I would climb, I'd complete the Explorer's Grand Slam, which is climbing the highest peak on each continent and then ski into the North Pole and the South Pole. I was attempting to be the fifth person to ever do that in a single year. and then trekking solo unsupported across the Mojave Desert and Death Valley and rowing a boat across the Atlantic Ocean and then finally flying a plane around the world.

48:26And we were able to accomplish everything that we set out to within those 12 months, except for the North Pole, which got closed down for the fourth or fifth year in a row, this time because Russia invaded Ukraine and that shut that region down. And also the flight, unfortunately, got postponed because the costs associated with with renting aircraft and logistics and in fuel because of COVID in Russia, Ukraine went up four or five fold. So we decided to postpone that to a little bit more of a manageable cost for us. But like I said, within those first 12 months, we're able to achieve everything else we set out to.

49:03um which of those not necessarily was the most challenging but which brought you the most joy and sense of accomplishment and fulfillment of of maybe the individual treks or expeditions i i like that question because i haven't i don't think i've gotten that question normally it's what was the most you know what was the most challenging like where was the most painful part and all this kind of stuff so i love you're coming out from a slightly different angle I think the one that brought me the most satisfaction or sense of contentment was Aconcagua, which is the highest peak in South America. And reason being is that that was actually my second attempt on that mountain.

49:44I tried to climb it back in 2017 before the concept of Dawson's Peak Foundation was even around, before we started anything. And at that point, I just learned about big mountain climbing. And I was just trying to go around and figure out what I liked and didn't like and things like that. And at that time, I failed to summit with my entire team because the weather was so bad that everybody got turned around and no one could summit. But that was my first failure on a mountain. And I mean, granted, I was just getting started. But I'm not used to failing a lot in my life. I mean, look, I fail all the time.

50:23But I try to, like we said, hold myself to a standard. And when I failed to summit in 17, it lit something inside of me that was just, it was just this inferno that just continued to grow to where years later, it might be on a random Tuesday at three in the morning, I'd wake up just thinking about not summiting. Like it bothered me. And I use that as a fuel in my training where I might want to cut a set, you know, a rep short. I might not want to go that extra mile or climb that extra 500 feet. And I was just thought back to failing on Aconcagua. And when I finally got the chance to climb it again in early 2022, I had just been down in Antarctica for an entire month.

51:05So I was no longer acclimatized. COVID was rampant on the mountains, so I had to take a helicopter into base camp. So, I mean, I went from sea level to nearly 23 ,000 feet in three days. And the final 500, 600 feet of that climb, I was in rough, rough shape. I was experiencing high altitude cerebral edema. My vision was going in and out. I had really bad diarrhea, really bad dehydration. Arms and legs are going numb. I was on the verge of really falling to pieces. And it took something special to find something special in myself to get that done, where I was literally finding a rock in the snow or whatever it was that was maybe 10 feet away.

51:54I might just make it that 10 feet, then we'll figure it out. And I did that for hour after hour after hour and finally got to the top. And as I was joking with my climbing partner, I was like, this is probably the best and worst I've ever felt in my life. That meant so much to me because where I thought my limits were, it just showed me again that there's so much further out there or farther out there you know than we think that they are and look I'm nothing special in that regard is we look in the distance and we're like okay there's my limit if I can just get there but when we get there it's like we can put our hand through the cloud it looks like a cement wall but it's just a cloud and he's like well maybe it's not here okay it's over there then you get there and you're like you continue to understand these limits are not real things for the most part.

52:43And that was just a good example of it for me. Yeah. Isn't it interesting that your most joyful moment was accompanied by your most painful moment? Oh yeah. It seems like exactly the way that it should be, right? That sense of achievement in that grind. So I have to ask about Antarctica. I'm very intrigued by that mass that's down there. What, what is that like? What is, what is Antarctica? I think people just think, you know, you see the penguins and they're near the shore. And I think that's probably most people's exposure to what Antarctica is, but it's an enormous, it's an enormous mass. And like, what, you know, what is that environment?

53:27Like, what is, what did it take to get to the actual South Pole, what is that experience like? Because I think it's probably, you know, people can imagine they've seen high mountains, you've seen people climb them, not that they've been there, but they can maybe picture themselves in that place. I think Antarctica seems like another planet, I think. And we know, you know, I think as a regular people, we get so little information. What is that environment like? And what are the unique challenges of, say, skiing something like Antarctica versus a climb? Obviously you have altitude, but you know, what are those, how do you how do you mash skill sets from a climb to a ski and and managing those different environments yeah it's it's an arc is a very interesting place and i've heard described by different people in different ways all the way back you know to the early 1900s where it's you know some people call it the great white everywhere or the great white everything is that when you get down there you know especially when you when you're say you know because there are there are mountain ranges in antarctica and then mount vincent the highest peak there is something i had the opportunity to to climb and to your point is there's there's life around the edges but once you get into the interior part of the continent up on the up on the plateau i mean there's there's nothing when you talk about no life i don't mean i mean there's there may be some some fungi or you know some some roundworm or ringworm or you know something like that but other than that there is, I mean, nothing for hundreds or possibly thousands of miles, you know, except for the station that's at the South Pole.

55:00And when you get in that environment, you know, when people talk about, say, colonizing Mars, and people get excited about this, I'm like, you don't understand when you say there's a deprivation and absence of life. And down there, you start to understand what that really means. And the best way I can think to describe it is, you know, I was skiing for 12, 13 hours a day trying to get to the South Pole. And just think about being on, take a big treadmill, put it in a freezer that's 30 or 40 below, and put it in front of a white wall and just stare at that, put your face a couple inches from that wall and do that for 12, 13 hours a day while pulling a sled.

55:41And that's essentially what it's like to ski down there. I mean, there's just, it's just sensory deprivation in so many regards that it, it forces you, if you're going to deal with it effectively, it just forces you to kind of go to a special, to a special place or to a deeper place. And, you know, a lot of people take, you know, like we were talking about earlier, you know, music for podcasts or listen, you know, they want to listen to something. And I didn't take anything because I wanted that, I wanted that additional challenge of being so alone with myself. and it was just, it was a very special place and it was, it was a tremendous experience, but it's, it's just, it's, it can be lonely and isolating if you're not careful and it can be, you know, kind of like a lot of things, it can be destructive if you're not careful, but if you can use it in a conscientious way, it just helps you to have a more full and enriching experience because it enables you to connect with yourself on a deeper level.

56:34Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's so many movies that have been created around the concept of, of deprivation of loneliness, you know, isolation and the impact that it has on people, you know,

56:51there's there, it feels to me like it would be very easy to spin off the planet in that moment. Maybe a couple, I don't know, you know, how many days in, how many hours in you look around and you're like, am I ever going to get packed? Will I ever, you know, have another, you know, I mean, just the stuff that, that seeps into your mind as it's saying, we shouldn't be here. You know, what are you doing? Why did you take us to this place? Right. Is there, you know, how did you deal with that, that, that sense of, of, of isolation and come out of it in a productive way and not let it start to eat at you.

57:25And, and, and as you said, start to make excuses or, Hey, I, today I can go for, I'm just going to go for 10 hours today and we'll take a few more days of, of camp because, you know, I, I deserve it or whatever. Like how do you fight through those nudges when you don't have that, you know, a podcast or motivation in your ear telling you to keep going? Yeah. I think a lot of it, and this ties into a lot of things that we've been talking about with life is it's a matter of perspective. And, you know, too often when we face challenging times, whether it be on a daily basis or, you know, psychological or professional or even physical, is we have a tendency to make our worlds just very small.

58:05And sometimes it's an important and it's actually a critical tool to make our world small. But we can simultaneously have our world small, but our perspective, enlarge our perspective in a greater sense. So when I was going down there, as I had a chance before I went, and even when I was down there preparing, to read a lot of stories about people that had faced those same challenges, but even to a harsher degree. Like Amundsen, when he was the first to get to the South Pole, Scott, Shackleton, Mowry from Australia, and I read about what these men faced. When they were out there for weeks on end or months on end or they would have to winter over, and just all these things that they faced when I was out there, it literally took me a week to ski 70 miles, the last degree, And I was just thinking about, I'm out here for a week.

59:01It's a very challenging environment. It can be very dangerous and life-threatening, certainly. And things can change at a moment's notice. But when I thought about in a greater context of what these men had been through, what they were capable of, is it showed me what I was capable of as well. Because I felt like if these guys can do it, I can do it. If they can go to that level of challenge, I can do the same. So it helped me to have a better sense of perspective of what I was facing might be extremely difficult in the moment, but that I was capable of so much more that I just need to find a way to get quiet, to figure this thing out, to push through it.

59:37And then I was more than, you know, that I was able to do it. Matt Dawson, my friends, absolutely incredible. If people want to get more from you, dive deeper into your world, follow with your journey. What are the places that they should go? And guys, wherever Matt wants us to go, we'll have them linked up in the show notes as well so that you can find it very easily. But where are those places that they can get more from you? Yeah, I think the biggest thing is my first book is coming out. I'm very excited about it. It will be released January 7, 2025. It's called Strength and Surrender. I actually just got one of the copies here.

1:00:13So we're just proofing it out right now. But it would be available for preorder before that time, but it would be the audio book, paperback, and the e-book. And that literally everything that we've talked about is in there and just so much more. So whether someone's interested in just reading about the mountains and all the training and it was this tall and the pack weighed this much and it was 100 degrees and all that, all that's in there. But more importantly, it's about the story of the human experience, about my personal redemption from being lost to a place of feeling better, from having a life of self-centered to service-centered, all the things that I've learned, like the biggest things I've learned from strength and surrender.

1:00:57And it's just I wanted to create a visceral experience that people it's not just a book, but just an experience where people could take it on a different way. So that that's coming out. And then Instagram is just at Dawson's Peak. P-E-A-K. And then finally, the website is just Dawson's Peak dot com. And that's my personal website. It links to our foundation. And the last thing I'll say is, as I mentioned a little bit earlier, but Project Seven for Soldiers is 100 percent of our net proceeds that we raise are benefiting our veteran partners on this, which is Hope for the Warriors and Gary Sinise Foundation.

1:01:32So I'm not making a dime on anything that gets donated. So please get involved. 100 percent of the net proceeds are going to those two groups. Yeah, we have a big, this audience is big supporters of our military and things like that. So guys, head over, wonderful organizations. Appreciate the hell out of you, the work you do, and certainly the time that you spent with us today, Matt. Thank you so much. Listen, I really appreciate it. I've truly enjoyed this. I love that you came at it from a different angle. You asked some interesting questions, and also I appreciate your insights. So thank you very much for having me on.

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