E079 - I Found the Protocol to FIX 99% of Health Conditions (naturally) | Dr. Josh Axe

27:46And so, but, but I think the point there is, is if you want to radically transform the entire world, educate kids in a very specific way. Now that you mentioned that it's, it's true, even in the UK, they don't teach you anything. And the first time that I actually started to understand the fundamentals of nutrition was when I did my personal trainer certification. and that was when I was 20 I think it was 22 23 and that was when I was starting to understand that what macros were and how many calories are in one gram of carb one gram of fat protein and what it is that why you need to eat a certain amount of protein how you can adjust these different intakes to change your body composition and it was fortunate that I was actually active and doing a lot on a day-to-day basis because I never really struggled to lose body fat.

28:39I never got fat, but it did get to the point when I was struggling to gain weight. I was going to the gym and I was like, okay, I look good, but I want to get bigger. I want to get heavier, but I can't get heavier. What's going wrong? It was just a very basic issue of me not consuming enough calories, but I didn't know anything about it until I actually started to do my own research and learn more about the topic. So you're right. I mean, if there's just even something very basic at school, teaching you about food will make a huge difference. Yeah. And here's an example too, and it's not something that impacts the nation the next year.

29:17It's what impacts the nation for the next 50 years. In the United States, we pulled God out of schools. I want to say it was like 1962. And so what you can see over the course of 70 years or so is like the morality and the worldview has completely started to change the amount of people attending church, the amount of people having a certain level of like giving charitable giving, all those things start to decline when you remove God and morality from a school system. A very similar thing when you have pharmaceutical companies or you have these people, these agricultural companies that are saying, hey, let's put grain at the actual, you know, foundation of the entire food pyramid, what's going to happen?

29:54Obesity, right? You know, autoimmune disease from doing all of these hybridized, you know, gluten containing grains. And so, you know, what, so education to me is the, is the primary factor. And I'm really hopeful that we're going to start to get, do some of this and make it nonpartisan. Let me say this. I think that, you know, Michelle Obama, she was for this. RFK is for this. Donald Trump is for this. I mean, we, you know, I think that a lot of people have tried to make this a partisan issue, but either way, my point is, I do think that that's the biggest thing. And the other thing I'm encouraged by is that when you look at the way kids learn today, they learn as much or more on YouTube than they do in school.

30:36And there are so many creators now, like yourself, where people can learn some of these principles, whether it be from having, you know, I've gone through your channel, you've got so many great things on how to be successful and experience a growth mindset. and a lot of the sort of psychological and principles of being successful. And so a very similar thing. So I think that people now have access where before there really wasn't even access. And so I do think that there are. Yeah. And I think with AI, it's going to be helpful from done the right way. That can be helpful as well. Yeah. But education.

31:11Are you using AI at the moment? Well, not as we're talking. No. No, no, but like in general with your, if it had been maybe with any patients or with your own nutrition training. A hundred percent. Yeah, yeah. Let me give you an example. I work on different protocols for different patients. And one of the things that I like to do is I like to explore all of the different most successful forms of medicine and try and tailor a plan and learn those overlapping principles, right? This is one of the things I admire Jordan Peterson a lot of what he's done. And he'll talk about this is that if you want to be a successful investor, go and study the 10 people that are the most successful and see where they all overlap and make those the most important principles that you follow.

32:06Okay. And so one of the things that I've started doing using AI when I've created a plan, for instance, let's use diabetes, for example. I will go and I'll create a plan for somebody with diabetes, but I'm curious about, okay, what is believed to be the root cause of diabetes in Chinese medicine, in Ayurveda, and in functional medicine? And I could throw in other things in there like Middle Eastern and Native American, but just let's use those three for example. And then I will go through and say, pull all the research and data, give me all the ancient information of if somebody has insulin issues or these symptoms, what's the primary pattern, and what are the most important herbals?

32:46So in Chinese medicine, you'll see bayberry leaf, which is where berberine comes from. In Ayurveda, you'll see fenugreek. In Western medicine, you'll tend to see things like chromium and magnesium. And so when I'm creating a supplement plan for somebody, I will use AI to generate and help me create an eating plan. And then I'll use AI and I'll say, now create an eating plan for me that incorporates holy basil, fenugreek, cumin, all of these different foods that are different levels with a certain amount of protein or fiber or healthy fat. And then I'll customize. I did this for a parasite plan recently.

33:28I had a friend went overseas, came back with a parasite. And so there are certain foods like pumpkin seeds and pumpkin nut butter, papaya, green leafies, foods really rich in copper, very good, as I mentioned, so liver. And so I had AI generate a nutrition plan specifically for parasites for him based on some of my prompts. So you're telling the AI that it needs to include certain ingredients and then it will put a plan with foods that contains those uh ingredients or vitamins whatever it might be that's right that's right okay but it would still need your oversight because i could maybe i could do the same thing and i'd be like hmm like is this actually right or is it not like i still need an expert to check it to know like hey doctor is this okay for me to have.

34:22Yeah. Well, there's no doubt because when I first started doing this, I had a friend who said, Hey, how do you do this? I told him. And then what it gave him back was fairly different than what it gave me back. And so now my AI that I use is very educated on Chinese medicine, Ayurveda, functional medicine, cellular medicine, mitochondrial health. And so what it gives me is a little bit different, but I'm still using AI in that way, but it's not. Yeah, it definitely is relying a fair amount on, on my current knowledge. And you, you have your own supplement company, don't you? I do. Um, I, well, I, I, I do, I do have several companies.

35:04I do have a company that I am affiliated with. Uh, the company actually sold, um, it was called ancient nutrition. Um, so I was a part of it in the past, but I'm no longer a part of a part of that company. Really, my big focus now is on running a virtual clinic. And so I've got a practice. It's called the Health Institute. And so I have people that we do consultations with from all over the world. And we really focus on healing hormones. We have a lot of women with hypothyroid and Hashimoto's, a lot of people with diabetes, a lot of PCOS and fertility, a lot of autoimmune disease. And so we do telemedicine.

35:42And we have one of the largest telemedicine clinics in the world where I lay out very specific nutrition plans, supplement plans, programs for people, and that's at the Health Institute. But yeah, right now, I don't currently have a supplement company. I'm really just focused on educating and treating patients via telemedicine. Well, that's good because I'd imagine there'd be so many people all around the world that don't have access to the best doctors, or maybe there's some sort of narrative or mainstream influence that certain doctors in different cultures or countries, they maybe abide by that.

36:18So I imagine for those people reaching out to online to somebody like you or your team would be, uh, make a lot more sense. Yeah. You know, and I'll kind of break it down like this. When you look at the way that medicine is currently set up today, you tend to have, I'm going to throw it in three. We could even do four categories. If somebody has hypothyroidism and they go into their doctor today in the mainstream. They're just going to diagnose, they're just going to give them Synthroid. That's it. They're not going to tell them. And if they ask their doctor, what's the root cause of this? They don't know.

36:52Isn't it crazy to think you have somebody that goes through medical school eight years and after residency 12, and they still don't know what's causing most of the health problems. And so they're just going to give them a drug like Synthroid or Levothyroxine. And then one step better than that is you'll have practitioners that are a little bit more holistic. Maybe they do integrative medicine or a form of functional medicine, and they'll have the person with hypothyroid come in. They'll leave them on the medication. Maybe they'll be able to drop it down their dosage by a pinch, but they'll get them on a gluten-free diet, or they will have them eat a little bit more optimally.

37:28Maybe they'll say, hey, you need selenium. You need iodine. You need vitamin B1. And they help them make small updates. But then you have another form of doctor, which I really think is less than 1 % of doctors. I mean, it's very rare to find where they really know how to, what we started the conversation with was, you take this multi-pronged approach. Like I know in Chinese medicine, hypothyroidism is caused by what's called a chi and a yang deficiency. So what that means is chi is tied to cellular energy. It's tied to your mitochondria. So from a Western medicine perspective, I know that to heal hypothyroidism, I have to optimize the health of your mitochondria, which are the engines of your cell that create cellular energy.

38:06The other thing is a yang deficiency, which is known as being anabolic. So being anabolic is creating tissue regeneration. Catabolic is autophagy, is cleaning up senescent cells and cleansing your body. But anabolic is we need your body to generate heat. So people with hypothyroidism, their hair is thin because they're not anabolic enough. Their body temperature is low because they're not anabolic enough. And so what we need to do is we need to do specific herbs, vitamins, minerals, detoxification strategies to actually help heal you. here's another big one. Hypothyroidism. If somebody has taken birth control, their chance of having hypothyroidism goes up by 287%.

38:44Because birth control depletes the body of vitamin B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B9, B12, all the B vitamins pretty much, magnesium, zinc, and good bacteria. So now the body can't methylate. And when you can't methylate properly, your body can't produce cellular energy and so your thyroid can't function right. And so all that being said, I'll work with patients on, okay, let's make sure we get these things that are depleting you. Let's stop doing those. Let's go ahead and start building up the mitochondria. Let's build up your body to be anabolic. And like mitochondrial health, that's going to be an herb like ashwagandha and rhodiola and Panex ginseng.

39:23That's going to help there. The yang part of it, that's going to be grass-fed beef and liver and walnuts and cinnamon and ginger and more of those heat-generating anabolic-like herbs and foods. And then there's specific nutrients we need. We do need selenium. We do need iodine. We do need B12. We do need a high amount of gut bacteria. And then when we do all those things together, all of a sudden, it's like, boom, the body can heal. I mean, you know, I remember one of my first patients that came in that had type 2 diabetes, and their doctor told them, that's irreversible. You have to be on insulin and on metformin the rest of your life.

39:57And 40 days later, we'd completely got them off the medications, completely reversed their type two diabetes. And now there's been hundreds, if not thousands of people I've worked with that have gotten off their medication, reversed it. But the mainstream medicine today, because they just don't know the cause of things, think about you cannot reverse something when you don't know the cause. And that's part of the problem today. They're not taught that in mainstream medicine. so this is something i want to know because i'm actually going to america soon and obviously when i'm there i would like to know where to shop or where to get my food from so i guess with some of the clients that you have as well that are based in the states is there anywhere that you specifically tell them okay if you're going to buy your groceries go to this place Yeah.

40:46So, so I would say, I would say a couple of things. I, I think the single best place to get your food is from your local farmer's market. And the reason is, is that now, and listen, secondarily, I'm going to tell you your local health food store, whole foods, sprouts, those sorts of places. But when you're buying locally, you're buying the food when it's fresh, even whole foods sometimes. They've got to ship foods over from China or from Mexico, and they have to harvest them early because it takes two weeks to ship them before they're ripe, and then they spray ripen them. So they never reach peak nutrient density.

41:25Versus if you can go to find wherever you're going to visit and find the local farmer's market, that is the single best place. If you're going to get produce, fruits or vegetables or anything, it's the best place to go. And if that's practical for you, do that. Go every Saturday or whenever they're open. We have one in Nashville here just south called the Franklin Farmer's Market. You'll see Chelsea and I there constantly on Saturdays getting our food and our produce. I also have a farm. We'll get stuff from there like our eggs regularly too. But if it's not there, I would say your local health food store because you're going to get a lot more organic food there.

42:00It's probably overall a better option, probably a little bit less shipping time than some of the other mainstream stores. But I would say, yeah, Whole Foods Market, Sprouts. We've got a place here in Nashville called the Turnip Truck, another place called Urban Market. So I mean, I can't remember the last time. I rarely am in a... I will say though, I mean, you can go to Costco, you can go to Publix, you can go to some of the mainstream. There's a lot more organic ingredients now, but I think ideally shopping locally or regionally is is always better yeah that's one of the downsides of living here in the middle east i mean when i look around i can't see any farms anywhere i can't see any any cattle any sheep nothing so i definitely notice that whenever i'm consuming just your typical fruits or vegetables from the store they just don't really have any flavor like I try to get my blueberries and raspberries, and they have no taste.

43:03Compared to the UK, when I would see them growing in a field, and I would literally eat them off the branch, there's definitely an issue here when it comes to the fresh food, because it's being shipped in, and it's being sprayed with God knows what, and it's just not the same. Well, here's a tip with berries. typically frozen berries oftentimes are fully ripened and then they're immediate and they're frozen soon afterwards so sometimes actually eating frozen fruits and vegetables are more nutrient dense than fresh ones than if they've been shipped a long time so and you'll notice that like if you do frozen blueberries they're sweeter they're more flavorful than sometimes the others because they're harvested a little bit later.

43:50Yeah. I'm thinking of what you said of people getting more educated about the food and the health and so on. What do you think would happen if there's a trend where people, particularly in the States, are actively looking to consume healthier food? So they're going to go shop at the local market, healthier stores. do you think that the big giant corporations from the agriculture industries would get concerned about this or do you think that they would maybe have to shift their their kind of idea of what they're going to do with the food that they're producing and maybe think oh crap we can't just sell this junk to people anymore because people are waking up and they're changing maybe we need to make an effort to get into more of the healthier organic foods because there's a demand for it now.

44:44Yeah, we already have the answer to that based off of history, and that is they'll shift. I mean, let me give you an example of this as one company, Nestle. Nestle started off as a yogurt company. So they did things like, well, at the time it wasn't called organic, but like natural yogurt products. and then the demand became for candy bars. You had Nestle's candy bar, Nestle Quick, Nestle, basically a big candy bar company. And then quite a few years ago, they saw the shift in doing more organic. They pretty much sold off almost every candy bar company Nestle did. And they actually acquired Garden of Life, Vital Proteins.

45:25A lot of people don't know that. Nestle owns those companies now. Yeah. I've tried Garden of Life. Yeah. Yeah. There's an example of one that got you know, that got bought out there. And, and, uh, but, but Nestle is actually trying to be more of a health company. So, so there are a lot of companies that are trying to make that shift. They're aware of that shift. And so, you know, when you look at, um, the, the, the number of sales of, um, health, you know, health companies, um, you know, like craft, they bought primal kitchen, which is Mark Sisson's company that does a lot of different things.

46:00Like, you know, They use avocado oil in all their products. And so it absolutely is consumer demand. If consumers demand it, those companies will change the products they carry for sure. We'll get back to the podcast in a second. But first of all, I want to say a massive shout out to Bionic. I have been using their supplements for the past four years. I never knew what supplements I needed to take. I'd always go into the pharmacy and buy a load of random bottles and end up popping pills all day, every day. not having a clue if I was consuming the vitamins which I should be consuming at all. But Bionic came to save the day.

46:37They are a tailor-made supplement company that will put together your own specific formula based on your activity, your gender. I have Bionic Pro, where I get the blood test done every three to four months. And based on that blood test, I get my own personalized formula. For those people who don't want to do a blood test or don't have access to that then you can go with bionic go where you just have to fill in a short questionnaire and based on that questionnaire you will get your tailored supplements with a surprisingly high degree of accuracy so stop the guesswork sign up to bionic and ensure that you remove those deficiencies and build up your immune system yeah and do you think there'll be a pressure from pharmaceutical companies because surely if people eat healthier they're gonna not need to get any kind of treatment for their sickness because they shouldn't be as sick yeah well and that's why i mean now i'm thinking our rfk is gonna you know he he's going to be in but it's um i mean pharmaceutical companies are really pushing back they're really pushing back I mean, they have the most to lose here over the next few years with a Trump and an RFK in office.

47:53I mean, they could lose, I mean, an insane amount of money and have to pay out a lot more lawsuits because they've not been held liable for all the injuries they've caused with everything from vaccines to different medications to a number of things. I mean, there definitely are, you know, we can see some of the lawsuits that they've had to pay out, but it's going to be much greater. So, and I do think that there are certain pharmaceutical companies that are trying to buy supplement companies. And I think we're going to see, primarily it's been food companies buying supplement companies. But I do think we're going to see more and more pharmaceuticals start to play in this industry, especially as we get into a lot of this more cellular medicine.

48:40We're going to start to see more of this sort of deeper connection between pharmaceuticals and supplements. I mean, peptides is an example of that, I think. You look at BPC-157, TB-500, Tessamoralin, all the different peptides. That is something that kind of lives a little bit in between this pharmaceutical and this holistic natural industry. And that's why there's a lot of regulation that's being fought over right now around peptides. I think peptides are great. I I think they're the second line, but I think they're much better, much better than most conventional medications if they're in the right dosage and the right ones are being taken.

49:27So I do think we're going to see a lot more of a more of graying of the lines, less of a divide even between pharmaceutical and nutrition here. If we fast forwarded 20 years from now. I wonder if I had like my favorite supplement company and then they got bought out by a pharmaceutical company, would I still trust what's in those supplements that I'm consuming? Well, let me tell you, here's what we tend to see happen because we've seen this happen. Garden of Life's a good example of this. New Chapter, who sold many years ago, I think they sold to Clorox. But what tends to happen is these companies, so here's what happened in the early days.

50:09You had a company like Garden of Life or New Chapter or one of these others got bought out by a big company like a Nestle or a Clorox or a Heinz. And they then changed all the ingredients, bought cheaper ones, put them in mass. So they were mostly in health food stores, put them in mass like Target and Walmart. Sales went up. But then about three to four years later, after seeing that spike, then the company started to tank because they essentially lost their identity. People started questioning it. The results went down because the ingredients are worse. And then those companies were worse. That happened a lot, by the way, what I just shared with you.

50:49In recent years, more companies have bought other companies, like for instance, like the buying of vital proteins or whatever, to where oftentimes the major company, they realize that happened. So they actually tend to change the ingredients much less and try and keep the company going and on its current trajectory and maybe creating other products within the line that do well enough in mainstream. But my point is, is they stopped kind of changing everything and they started making small tweaks. So I actually think now when companies are acquired, there's less to worry about. The products tend to not go down as much, but still, you know oftentimes there is a level of you know maybe slight slight declining of quality in certain instances in certain products you are gonna you are gonna have that but it definitely probably isn't best for the consumer in most cases i will say sometimes price will go down but quality will go down with it yeah so it's almost like you kind of want to support the smaller companies that are maybe you know the startup phase they're they're growing but they're not at a point where they're too big yet and they're really just focused on trying to make the the product as good as it can be and they're kind of sticking to their original mission which they they set off to yeah and stick to yeah absolutely absolutely yeah there's one which i came across recently uh maui nui venison they uh they they do the because i was looking for basically an organ supplement because i am never going to make organ meat at home i don't make my food anymore i get it sent to me so it was always a problem like trying to find somewhere that's going to deliver some kidneys or deliver some liver so I'm like, let me just get this in pill format.

52:52But then I did more reading into it and realized that you get a supplement company that says it's got this, this, this, this in, but the quality of it is going to be dependent upon the lifestyle that that cow had, for example. If it came from poor quality beef, then really at the end of the day, you're getting your poor quality supplements. So like, where can I get one, which actually comes from very, like the highest possible quality meat that I can find. And there's one based in, um, this one based in Hawaii, Hawaii, that seems to be the real deal. So I'm actively just looking to try and find the best of the best.

53:34And it obviously may come at a price, might be a little bit more, but at the end of the day, you're putting it into your body. So why not splash out of it? I think that's a great product. I think that's a great product. I think I've got Paul Saladino and his business partner. They've got a product. It's called Lineage Provisions. They've got great organ meats. And one that my wife and I do a lot is it's called Forces of Nature. And they do a blend of either beef. They also have elk. I mean, they have a number of great products. And they blend in organ meats. And you hardly or don't really taste them at all.

54:05And so those are great as well. But I think, yeah, I think that's a great example of really, really good food. One of the things that one of my close friends, Jordan Rubin, is working on is today we have these different certifications. Basically, you have conventional, you have certified organic. Right now, there's a new certification being worked on. It's called ROC, R-O-C, regenerative organic certified. And this is where if you've ever gone into like in the United States, you're in a whole foods market. They have kind of levels zero through five of meat. Well, I don't think I've ever hardly seen any that are level five.

54:38It's pretty much all zero, one, two, but level five means that these animals were fed only on grass. That was organic. And, you know, drinking spring water, I mean, everything is perfect conditions like they're in the wild. So this is regenerative organic certified. We're going to start seeing herbs as well. This like herbs, mushrooms, meat. So this is something people may look out for. It's not very mainstream now. You'll see it on just a handful of products here and there. but but to your point like that maui nui company that's an example of something that's probably would would qualify for like that rock label where you know it's the absolute you know premium in terms of actual actual quality yeah because when you go to a typical supermarket now it might say organic or you're in the organic section but then you're like well what does that actually mean like so many of these companies just put the stamp on but organic is such a broad term now that it can mean so many different things.

55:36And in many, I'm sure there's some cases where it's not much better than just the normal vegetables. Well, to your point with me, so somebody can label something organic for beef, but then it could be fed grains most of its life. And so, yeah, it doesn't have, maybe the animal wasn't consuming grains sprayed with pesticides, but it is still grains and it's predominantly omega-6s and not omega-3, so it's still inflammatory. And that happens all the time. What's your diet like? Do you follow a specific approach? Yeah. So my dietary philosophy is very bio-individual. And this really comes, it's a very personalized medicine.

56:20I mean, I think that when I have a patient, I almost never have the same person on the exact same diet. It's very, very different. Now, maybe per condition, there's a lot of overlap and similarities. But if I have somebody, for instance, with inflammatory bowel disease, their diet will be radically different than if I have somebody with cancer. And it would be different than a person with diabetes or hypothyroid. So my diet, what I tend to do very well with, and I think this is many people, but I do very well with a lot of meat, a lot of cooked vegetables, and a good amount of fruit, and then certain grains.

56:55I do very well with. I do a lot of millet. I do a lot of buckwheat. I do some sourdough. I do sweet potatoes. I do some rice congee. Um, but, and I do a lot of things like hummus, but I would say my, the bulk of my diet is organic meat is the largest portion of my plate followed by cooked vegetables. And then a good amount of things like pomegranate berries, figs, um, make up the, the bulk of what I, what I eat. Hmm. What's your thoughts on, uh, keto? Because I always do a Q and a every so often on my coaching page, which is everything on that page is just fitness related. And I'm always so surprised about the amount of people that ask me about keto as if, yeah, I actually, I wrote, I wrote, um, as some sort of magic formula for having the best physique ever.

57:50You know, I actually wrote a book on this. And so I've studied it quite, quite a bit and worked with a lot of patients on this. And I think the keto diet for most people should be done in a similar way that you would do a cleanse. I don't think it's a long-term diet for 99 % of people. I think it's a short-term protocol for most people. Um, I think if the people that most benefit from keto are people, number one, that have Alzheimer's and different types of dementia, neurodegenerative disease specifically, and then conditions like epilepsy is also very, very much there. And then I think there are certain people that have diabetes and obesity that also would fall in metabolic illness that would do very, very well with keto.

58:38So those are the people that I think will flourish the most. One thing I do want to mention for everybody is that different organs have to deal with different macronutrients, right? So when we're talking about fat, that's primarily liver and gallbladder. That's going to stress that organ. When we're talking about carbohydrates, that's primarily the pancreas. When we're talking about protein, that's primarily stomach, kidney, those organs. So if somebody has their gallbladder removed, they should never do the keto diet. If somebody has liver cirrhosis, they should never do keto. And if somebody just generally has a lot of anger, resentment, somebody's an alcoholic, like keto, it's too much stress on those organ systems.

59:23So you'd have to be very careful with keto in that regard. so so i do think you said the duration what duration would you recommend if you're doing this kind of cleanse and for the carb intake? 30 to 90 days. And I would say do like a 70, 30 for most people. Now, here's another one too. I have a family member right now that's going through, they have a cleoblastoma. It's one of the most deadly brain cancers. And so we have them on a keto right now too. So that might be a longer term, quite a bit longer. That's where somebody might be on it for years. But what I like to do when I do keto is get people into ketosis and then back off of it, have them do a diet that's really more focused on insulin to where they're increasing their protein intake.

1:00:14Because if you're doing keto the right way, where you're going to be in a high level of ketosis, you're doing around 75 % fat. I mean, it's very, very predominantly fat and it's really not that high protein. So really building muscle mass, it's not anabolic. It's not going to help you optimize your muscle mass, a keto diet is it? And that's something I do want to do for longevity with any patient I'm taking care of. So I'll have them do keto for a period of time to get into ketosis, and then I'm going to back them down. And maybe it's a more equal ratio of protein, fat, and carbs. Maybe it's 33, 33, 33.

1:00:50I tend to, with most patients, not have them count the calories. I have them just follow the dietary plan or eat the specific foods. I do have patients eat a little bit more carbs in the morning and less fat and do higher fat in the evening. Biologically, when you look at Chinese medicine, they believe the stomach is much stronger in the morning for carbohydrates and the liver is much more active at night, better able to digest fat. So we kind of go through kind of like that sort of like higher carb to lower carb throughout the day, lower to higher fat or more evenly distributed fat throughout the day when it comes to sort of those macronutrients.

1:01:24But yeah, I typically have them do 30 to 90 days and then really transition more on to high protein, high fiber, moderate fat, moderate to lower carb. It's interesting you say that about the fats and consuming more fats in the evening because I'm kind of tied between the two because sometimes I like to look forward to consuming more carbs in the evening because it tends to be more enjoyable to eat. And then it makes me quite relaxed. and calm, not lethargic, but like we're kind of getting into that territory. And I like to think that it would help me to have a better night's sleep. But after you saying that, like maybe that's not the case.

1:02:09So here's what I'd say. Listen to your body, try it, you know, see how your body responds. And I do, I do want to point out again, like there are rules that are meant to be broken for the elite. Like an Olympic, like, am I going to tell Michael Phelps when he was in his heyday to not do carbs in the evening? No way. I mean, he needs to store glycogen. He's about to do a marathon or he's about to, you know, swim, uh, you know, miles the next day. So I do want to say if you are extremely fit, like you are, you're a bodybuilder, you're a CrossFitter, you're a marathon, you know, a triathlete, you're a, you're, you're a professional athlete.

1:02:46you know sometimes those rules you need to just pay attention and what time of day you're working out actually expending the energy i think is important too but i would say the best way to know is try it and really you know develop that awareness see see how you respond what is it that you're most passionate about at the moment in health is there any specific area that's like you find really intriguing and you want to know more about? Yeah. Yeah. Well, one is reversing the irreversible conditions. And I'll share with you where this came from. One, it came from my mom and her diagnosis. And then when I had so many patients coming to my practice who saying, my doctor diagnosed me with this and told me I would never be able to get off it or I'd never be able to be my old self again.

1:03:37And that really broke my heart for those people because again, like, and you've, you've, we've all experienced this. Think about somebody you really care about deeply. And then they suffer with a condition that keeps them from doing the things they love to do. Maybe they can't go out to eat. Maybe they can't exercise like they used to. Maybe they just, they're not the same person. And to me, thinking about my mom, who was that person, it literally just, again, it breaks my heart. Like I want to help those people. Well, I got put in that position about three years ago and I, um, I had injured my back.

1:04:06Well, this is longer before I, I, about 10 years ago, I was doing some CrossFit exercises and I ended up herniating two discs in my back, my bottom two discs, just excruciating pain, couldn't walk for a few weeks. And then I dealt with pain for years. Then I learned about stem cell therapy and I started getting some stem cell done. And by the way, I tried everything. I tried PT, chiropractic, I tried nutrition, and nothing seemed to get rid of my pain. Well, I did stem cell, saw incredible results. and I thought, well, I saw such good results the first two times. I'm going to go and get it done a third time.

1:04:42And I'll probably be back to 100 % with zero pain at all. And by the way, my pain was minimal. It's just 5%. So I went and got stem cell done again. Well, this time, about three years ago, when they went in, something went wrong. And after I got the injection, I just didn't feel right. And for the next couple of months, I kept feeling worse and worst. Finally, one day I woke up, I couldn't walk. I literally couldn't move. The pain was so excruciating. It was like something had exploded in my disc. And so we were living in Puerto Rico at the time, my family and I, and I had to call an ambulance.

1:05:16They came and picked me up, was drove to a hospital. They took an MRI. The report came back and it said I had a spinal infection. I had an infection in my disc, in my entire L5 vertebra, and then by my spinal cord, I had an abscess that was growing with an infection. I had to take a medical flight then to Florida. And I sat down with it. Well, I couldn't sit down. I had to lay down. And by the way, when I was getting on this airplane, I literally had to have, like if somebody had a broken neck, had to be rolled onto a cot, brought on the airplane, brought to this medical facility in Florida. And I met with the infectious disease doctor there.

1:05:55And he said, Josh, listen, I want to be straight with you. He said, your best case scenario is you're going to have chronic pain the rest of your life. And he said, you're going to be the first person to know when bad weather comes through because of all the damage. He said, worst case scenario, you're going to be permanently disabled. We'd have to do surgery, put in metal in your rods in your spine because of this infection. And so I went from, and by the way, a few months before I had a two-year-old daughter, I was throwing her up seven feet in the air in the pool. I was cycling, I was doing squats, and deadlifts.

1:06:28I was in the best shape of my life at 40 years old. And so I went from, I mean, I was just distraught for 48 hours. I just felt like my life was over. And then I spent just time in prayer and I felt like God said, you got this, you're going to be okay. And I just had a complete mindset switch there. And I decided I'm just going to embrace my faith in God. I'm going to do everything in my power to heal and heal fully. So then I got to work and started doing research on how do I heal a spinal infection naturally. Now, I will say that I decided to get on an IV antibiotic. The doctor was recommending I'd be on it for three months because this infection was that serious.

1:07:08It takes that long to heal. But then I read a medical study on hyperbaric chamber. And if you got in every day, you could shorten the antibiotic time down to just one month from three. So I started getting in a hyperbaric chamber. I had a ambulance to the ambulance, pick me up every day, roll me onto a cot, get me in a hyperbaric chamber. I did that every single day. I did vitamin IVs for like four hours a day with everything from methylene blue to ozone to silver to Myers cocktails. And I started doing PEMF, did cold laser. I did everything you could think of. And after one month, I started feeling better.

1:07:44And this is after four months already of not walking. It took me almost a full year to walk again. And so I just started walking about a year and a half ago. And now I'm back probably 90%. I just went on a snow ski trip. I went downhill three days, cross country three days. I can lift weights, carry my daughter, all of those results. And so I share all that to share this. I learned more about longevity, healing, biohacking than I ever could have imagined because when your life depends upon it, you're forced to just learn everything you can. And so I am very passionate about helping people that have been diagnosed with those conditions, even the basic things like hypothyroidism or infertility or neurodegenerative illness.

1:08:29And their doctors told them, you can't reverse this. And knowing the incredible healing power of the body, that if you do it the right way, if you're able to embrace a lot of these advanced therapies and diet and mindset, that the body has an incredible capacity to heal. So that's really the thing I'm really passionate about is helping people in my practice today at the health clinic that have these conditions start to heal and reverse it, doing the combination of those right holistic therapies. So, I mean, I guess you had more experience than anyone using the high-tech machines, the biohacking machines.

1:09:07I've spoken to a few people and I guess because they're quite new machines the science hasn't really said to what extent these uh new devices can be of benefit i mean obviously they are beneficial in some way but how beneficial we don't yet know you know you've got like the uh the cryotherapy you've got the cold plunges you've got red light saunas normal saunas you've got the is that the hyperbaric one the oxygen chamber is it the same thing or something different yeah yeah yeah so there's all and then there's like a there's one in dubai where this is like a emf or there's a um it's like a chair you lie on and then it sends pulses through your body yeah it's p-e-f-e-m-f yeah yeah yeah that's it yeah so okay out of all of those which ones are actually worth doing from your experience so none of them again they're not cheap Yeah.

1:10:08So you'll notice I'm not a direct answer sort of person. So I really think it comes down to the individual. Okay. So let me give you an example. If somebody has hypothyroidism, I like infrared therapy, infrared sauna the best, because we have to heat up their body and we need to impact the mitochondria. So for those people with infections like Lyme disease, so a lot of people with infections, a cold nature like IBSD or hypothyroid, I really like the infrared light and infrared sauna. For somebody that has different types of wound issues, neurodevelopment issues, like autism, Alzheimer's, I like hyperbaric the best.

1:10:54Anything where we need to heal the brain, hyperbaric to me is number one. People that have a stroke and they need to recover. So, so, um, you know, um, somebody that's been through a car accident. Yeah. That, that would be very high up on the list. If you have a broken bone or tissue, pimp is the best for helping that tissue build density. And then cold laser. I really like if somebody has a herniated disc bulge disc, actually there's another therapy I like even better or attuned to that. It's called shock waves. And that's like a really, really strong sort of sound waves, um, into an area. and it actually helps break up scar tissue.

1:11:30It's like, you know, imagine a really deep tissue massage on an area. That's not the best example, but again, it helps break up that scar tissue and healing. So if somebody has like, let's say a tendonitis or plantar fasciitis, that is the best therapy for those people. Generally speaking though, I think there's a lot of, I mean, infrared sauna would be pretty high up on my list. I think infrared, and by the way, most of these therapies, the reason why you benefit is it's embracing nature in a way. So for instance, infrared light is light. It's the similar rays to the light. You're not spending enough time outside.

1:12:07So you need more of that light. So it's going to help you sleep better. It's going to help penetrate and warm your body, increase circulation, all the things the sun do. So that's the benefit of infrared light. You know, the hyperbaric or the EWAT, you know, hyperbaric is like deep sea diving, it's like swimming. You're going deep underwater, coming up again. It's oxygen therapy. It's helping bring more oxygen to the brain and deeper into the tissues. Because when you deep sea dive, there's pressure in your breathing oxygen. So what you're doing is, and the reason why it actually helps, acts as an antibiotic is, is that you take oxygen and drive it deep into your tissues, which oxygen helps kill off microbes, pathogens within your body.

1:12:46So that's why it's also good for Lyme disease, those sorts of issues. So you're getting oxygen and you can also train on like a Peloton or a spin bike or while doing more and less oxygen. That's different than hyperbaric, but that's beneficial. But again, it's oxygen therapy. And the other one would be PEMF, which is very similar to grounding. It's walking barefoot. Now it's doing that on steroids. It's much stronger than just putting your feet on the ground, but it's that same sort of magnetic therapy that is being directly input into a certain area of your body. So really most of these quote-unquote biohacking that are at least categorized in that way are really due to, rather than a nutritional deficiency, it's a nature deficiency.

1:13:32And so they're the most helpful for some of those conditions. And I'm also a big fan of IV therapy, of peptides, of stem cells, of NK cells. And so if somebody has cancer or an infection, NK cells are the best. If somebody has an injury or an autoimmune disease, stem cells are the best. I've sent a lot of people to a clinic in Cancun, which is a beautiful clinic. They have one in Cancun and Cabo, and they've helped people reverse numerous things like IBS. Is that with Dr. Khan, Adil Khan? No, it's a different doctor. It's actually Rafael Gonzalez. It's called ReHealth, R-E-Health. And they've got the most world-class clinic I've ever seen.

1:14:13I actually just got back from a trip to Cabo. I was speaking there, Gary Brecka, Dan Pop, a whole group of practitioners. But there are some other great practitioners in the field as well. Yeah. I've had the folistatin gene therapy. So that was the 40, I think it was an IV drip for about 45 minutes and then the injection into the shoulder. And I mean, not that I had any issues with anything. I was just like, let me give it a try um and it's it's it's really difficult to try and assess what the effects it's had on me have been because obviously i'm trying all these different things to improve my health well-being training and things like that so i would say for sure i'm feeling the most energetic and surprisingly i'm feeling stronger than i've felt than compared to previous years now is that because of the stem cells or is it because of something else?

1:15:08I don't know. There was a recent study released on just that, that when people do stem cell therapy as an IV, that they are stronger and in better shape afterwards. So there are some just being released right now, clinical studies on that. But are there any, I mean, aside from potentially getting an infection in your spine, is there any downsides from getting stem cells? Because it's still a bit of a taboo and it's like illegal in a lot of countries. So, I mean, are there certain people who should not be having it? Well, so what I would say is the only, if you don't get it in your disc, the chances are almost zero.

1:15:51I mean, and my chances is still were like one in a million. I just was that unfortunate person that happened to, which is kind of crazy, but it's still very, So if you're getting, let's say, a knee done or your facets done or other areas, it's almost nailed. And by the way, part of the reason why I'm almost 100 % now after literally not taking one step for a whole year and being told I would probably be permanently disabled. And now, by the way, I have none of those issues. I don't have pain on any of that. But one of the reasons why I am where I am is that I got stem cell done at a different place.

1:16:20I think now the best place in the world, that ReHealth Clinic, is that I did it again and it helped me fully heal. So I even went back and did it. I didn't do my own bone marrow. They'd take umbilical cord and then they culture those and expand it so you have a lot greater number. So that's what I did. But I think that there are no side effects, I don't believe, if you're doing it at the right place for the right condition that we know of. and so I don't believe so. Now, if you're pulling your own bone marrow, there's going to be more issues because you are depleting your immune system. So there are side effects there if you're using more of your own cells versus going and getting some of these other cells.

1:17:02But I'm not saying there's absolutely zero chance of, because again, obviously there can be, but there's none that I know of today. And by the way, you can get stem cells in the US. They're just not the strongest stem cells. You can go and take your own bone marrow or your fat cells. Bone marrow is way stronger. And by the way, there are doctors today selling amniotic fluid that they call stem cells. It's really not. By the way, if they're using amniotic fluid, it's really not stem cells. It's growth factors, which is still helpful, just not near as powerful. So you can do stem cells today. It's regulated and legal if you're doing your own cells in certain areas.

1:17:45But again, they're just not near as strong as what you can get out of the country. Yeah. I want to go back to the cancer topic because for me, it's particularly interesting. I mean, I kind of share a similar story to you, but didn't turn out the way that I'd hoped. My mother had breast cancer when I was younger and she ended up passing away when I was 11. So I mean, at that point in time, I didn't know what the hell was going on. And as I got older, I think I was just annoyed that I wasn't able to help in any way. I mean, obviously, because I was so young, I didn't really know what I could have possibly done at that point in time.

1:18:27But as I got older, I think that's probably one of the reasons why I got into what I'm doing to this very day, looking after myself, getting into the health and fitness industry and so on. But it does raise the question sometimes when I think, okay, well, if somebody in your family does have cancer, whether they survive or whether they pass away, does it increase your likelihood of getting it one day if you are the son or the daughter of somebody who has had cancer before? Yeah, so I've heard, sorry, one more thing as well, because I think my friend of mine said you can get, is it a BRIC test?

1:19:13Does that exist? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there are quite a few genetic tests to see if you are at risk of cancer. And there's actually another test you can do, basically a blood test looking at different circulating compounds in your blood to see if you are at risk as well. And that's more just your current state of health. So there are both genetic tests. There are certain types of blood markers you can look for to see if maybe there's early before cancer is really onset out there today. And so to answer your question, listen, there is a genetic component, but it does not dictate your fate.

1:20:04Like, for instance, my mom having cancer does not mean that I'll have cancer. I do think you have to, everybody has to understand your lifestyle is the biggest indicator period. Your lifestyle, everything from the diet you eat to the emotions you experience. However, when you look at the research, actually probably the biggest thing is when it comes to cancer or all illness has more to do with how healthy your mom was during pregnancy or how healthy your parents were in some of those epigenetic changes. Because for instance, there are plenty of studies showing that if the mother's microbiome, their gut is not healthy.

1:20:43The chance of that child having inflammatory bowel disease, autoimmune disease, weight gain, every issue you can imagine goes up dramatically. So the health of the mother is very important. The health of the father is actually, the health of the sperm actually is important too. There's studies on that too. But the mother is even more important when you're looking at the health of their gut. And so there's no doubt that people can have a greater disposition towards cancer and other illnesses based on their genes. However, again, just to say this again, it's a switch. You've got to turn it on and you're going to turn it on with toxicity.

1:21:16You're going to turn it on with lack of nutrients. You're going to turn it on with lots of high cortisol and emotional stress or insulin resistance. Those sorts of things will turn it on. And so your goal isn't to worry about it. Your goal is to do everything you can to support prevention and support longevity using food as medicine, supplementation, lifestyle, those sort of things, and not waiting until you get to that point. That's one of the things I always encourage my patient with. I eat right now kind of like I have cancer because I don't want to get it, right? That's why I'm eating all the berries and the pomegranates.

1:21:51That's why I'm doing the wild salmon and eating more organic. And so that's just what I would say is for most people, don't over-concern yourself with it. Listen, Japan has very, very low cancer rates, much lower in the US. And it's not because they don't have the exact same cancer genes they do. It's because their lifestyle is much healthier. And so, you know, I think for all of us, it's the more that you can focus on optimizing your longevity today. The earlier you start optimizing your longevity, the longer you live. Most people don't start thinking about this stuff, Mike, until, you know, they're in their 60s.

1:22:25Like I'm seeing today, though, more millennials in their late 30s start to follow some of these longevity principles like you you know like you teach and i teach on on some of these things that that they can start doing now yeah i mean i've even seen some people in their 20s doing it and i'm like yeah you could enjoy life a little bit you don't have to worry but it's good to see because when i was a student even when i was a teenager obviously growing up in the uk there was a massive drinking culture like you you could not avoid it if you didn't drink alcohol you were considered weird like you were the odd one out but now it's uh it's generally a lot more accepted to say no to drinking which is it's a good thing to see yeah i'll give you i told you when we were jumping i we did we did a trip to europe this summer and we went to to london for a while did paris florence and venice and um and uh i ate gelato I had pasta.

1:23:27I didn't read every label. I didn't do that when I was over there. And when I look at my, by the way, when I look at my data on my ORA ring, my HRV, it was the best it had been all year. For me, it was a very, my HRV is generally pretty good, but it was very good. And my sleep was fantastic because we were outdoors all day. And so even though I was eating actually less healthy generally than maybe I had been, I was still healthier. And that also just goes to show the importance of sleep and stress. I mean, and just time outdoors. I have found for people, if they have trouble sleeping, which sleeping is one of the most essential things to prevent cancer and promote longevity.

1:24:09And if you're not sleeping well, you're not healing well. That's when you're regenerating tissue. That's when if you have hypothyroidism, that's when you can reverse it when you're sleeping. Or if you have infertility or if you have low testosterone, that's when you heal when you're sleeping. And the greatest single factor that affects your sleep, or at least one of the top three, is how much time you're spending outside. It's a really, really big deal. Staying away from the blue light and getting more of the natural rays from the sun, especially getting outside earlier in the day, is vital. It's so, so important.

1:24:40And so if you can incorporate, and I think the more that people can sort of incorporate nature as part, again, not just eating healthy and not just exercising, but also being in tune with nature. Like in Japan, they have something called forest bathing. One of their greatest healing therapies is go sit in the forest, just outside around the moss and the rocks and the flowing streams and the nature and just be. Walk, sit, pray, just be out there. And it's a therapy they have. And so I've taken some seminary classes. Again, my faith is a big part of my life. I think that for people that want to heal as well, and they have not been able to, maybe they're following the right diet, doing the exercise.

1:25:24Maybe the biggest reason why you're not healing is you're not connected to the divine. You're not building out the most important relationship possible. I think if we're going to be healthy, we're meant to be connected really deeply to three different things. One, God. Two, other people. Three, nature. And there are studies, I believe, that prove this. There are studies that show that the people that are more religious or the more connected to God with a prayer life, with meditation, with going deep spiritually, those people live longer. There are studies on that. The actually longest longevity study at Harvard, it's like 90 years, they show the greatest single factor that causes you to live a long time is having very close friends, a strong support group.

1:26:04So when people in their 60s, 70s, 80s, in the 90s, they have a really strong friend group. They live the longest. And a very similar thing, being in tune with nature. I mean, this is Chinese medicine. The more that you're in tune with your circadian rhythms, which then impact your sleep, which then impacts your epigenetics, which then impacts every disease, the more you are connected to having your feet on the ground, spending time outside, just doing things that are eating real food, those sorts of things, that promotes longevity. So I think if people can really also pay attention to those three things, it goes a really really long way in helping them you know heal and you know increase their lifespan yeah i mean i give the same advice for people who are they're struggling to build muscle or lose body fat if they're underslept like there's there's really not much you can do to it doesn't matter how many calories you try and restrict yourself with or how much extra cardio you do if you're getting terrible sleep you can't outdo that like you need to address the main problem which is the lack of sleep and i think a lot of people from my experience and clients i've had in the past is they're either so full of stimulants that it's no wonder they can't sleep because they're taking all the pre-workouts and all this excess caffeine just to get through the day and obviously to combat the lack of sleep they had and it's just this perpetual cycle that they can't get out of.

1:27:27And then, um, I think just overall stress and anxiety. And I think that's something which I, I noticed there's quite a big difference when I sleep with a partner versus when I sleep alone, when I sleep alone, my brain is like firing. Like I, I I'm just constantly thinking of things like how my day's been, uh, what I didn't do, what I need to do, what the future is looking like. But then sometimes when I'm with a partner, I'm naturally, I just don't think about that. like everything if it's the right partner obviously i'm very relaxed i'm calm and usually when i go to maybe come in combination with that i'm not looking my phone as well because obviously i'm with them i want to be present with them i'm not doing all these things on my phone it's probably been two or three hours since i looked at my phone so when my head hits the pillow i'm out in like literally a couple of minutes so that you know actually you bring this up and this is Yeah.

1:28:19Yeah. So my, my wife and I, we have a one-year-old and four-year-old. And so my four-year-old typically once or twice a night calls me in to sleep with her. I sleep with her until we go to bed. And, um, and actually interesting. You think that when I'm sleeping with her to help her get to bed or she calls me in and I, and sometimes I just sleep in there all night, but I don't, I don't think at all. Yeah. It's very much. I'm just sleeping versus if I do, I, the biggest reason why I can't sleep is my mind racing. Actually, clinically, the two biggest reasons people can't sleep are their mind is racing.

1:28:51And the second is they get too hot when they sleep at night. Those are the two clinically why people typically can't sleep. Yeah. I've got the eight sleep mattress. That was the biggest game changer for me because it doesn't matter how cold my room would be the moment I put the duvet over me and this was a climate cool duvet I was still like I'm just a furnace I give off so much heat so I would wake up like I actually remember I would have bad dreams and I would wake myself up being distressed and the cause of the bad dreams and the distress because I was hot then I couldn't get back to sleep so so hot so then obviously I I got the eight sleep mattress and that just cools me down so much.

1:29:39And I noticed my deep sleep and my REM sleep drastically improved because of that. So that was a massive game changer. Yeah, I've looked into that. I have a bed I love. It's called IntelliBed and I've used it for years and it stays fairly cool. But I actually have looked into that mattress you're talking about. And I think, man, that's a great option. I think especially for bodybuilders, I mean, people that lift a lot of weights, you're generating the most heat internally. and, and we're going to have the most, well, well, thermogenesis, I mean, weightlifting creates a great amount. I mean, you're, you're constantly breaking down muscle.

1:30:12It's repairing itself. So it's inflammation, a good inflammation, but there is inflammation, there's heat. And so that's being generated anytime you break down muscle and build it, have to build it back up. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. Cause even, even in when I'm sleeping, but then also when, in the summertime, when it's like warmer, especially in Dubai, or when I go back to Europe, I just noticed like I tend to get warmer than the people around me. And that again, must have something to do with the gym. But at the same time, I'm like the first person to get the coldest as well.

1:30:46Like if I go to a cold country, I feel like my body shuts down, like my hands will go numb. Like I don't know if it's my body composition and having lower body fat percentage or whether genetically, I am just not made for cold climates. Well, it's one of the two things you mentioned. It's either you have poor circulation or your body's adapted to a hot climate. That's another thing that it could be. I mean, it's just, you're living Dubai. So when you're going to go older places, I mean, your body gets very, very used to, you could be getting used to that. But I will say the low body fat's a big one.

1:31:25I mean, people with lower body fat tend to, you know, I mean, fat actually acts as it's insulation. So it might keep your body hotter or cooler in certain instances. So yeah. What do you do to calm your mind when it's racing before going to bed? Yeah. Yeah. So for me, the number one thing is reading my Bible and prayer. I mean, if I just spend some time just like, just take, and taking a few deep breaths, actually, um, in terms of studies, the single fastest way to regulate and bring down cortisol is deep breathing. So I'll just

1:32:02so breathing in, you know, five seconds, holding one, breathing out seven seconds, kind of Qigong is a way you kind of go, you, you breathe in and breathe out. So, so that's one thing I'll do. And then I'll just sit there and I'll read my Bible and just pray and just sort of be. Um, and then, I mean, that, that for me is the biggest reset. You know, I think, um, you know, I have something called binaural beats. It's certain sounds and frequencies. It's like theta waves and Delta. So I can listen to those sometimes as well. Um, and that's helpful, but, um, and then writing things out, if I have things on my mind, where my mind's thinking about things, if I just take time and get out a notepad and actually write them out and then plan for the next day, just get out all my thoughts.

1:32:50That, that, that also is another thing that's, that's helpful. Yeah. And there are supplements. I mean, I like, I've responded very well to chamomile tea, to passion flower, to CBD, to L-theanine. Um, so, so, you know, it's doing some of those herbals, magnesium about five, you know, 400 to 500 milligrams. Those are some other things that, that work. Amazing. Um, I appreciate your time today. I'm sure you've got a lot on, where can people find you? Yeah, a couple of places. One, if people are looking for help with their health, again, I have a practice at the Health Institute. Now, I have a team of incredible practitioners that I work with and help people with everything from hormone imbalance to, again, autoimmune disease.

1:33:38And so they can go to the Health Institute and watch one of our webinars and set up a time to meet with one of our consultants. outside of that. My podcast is called the Dr. Axe Show or the Dr. Josh Axe Show. And I cover a lot of these topics we talked about today, everything from how to reverse disease or longevity foods or how to boost testosterone or balance estrogen naturally. So they could check out the podcast and then social handles just at Dr. Josh Axe. Amazing. I think I would love to send you my blood work and just get your opinion on it. Yeah. Yeah. Feel free to email or you can get my cell phone and just text it over to me.

1:34:16And then, yeah, I would love that we can talk on the phone and go through it. Great. Awesome, man. Thank you very much. Yeah. Hey, so nice to meet you. Thanks so much.