E119 - Bodybuilding, Discipline & Legacy From the Uncrowned King of Mr Olympia | Kevin Levrone

0:00People want what you have, but they don't want to endure their suffering. and I always say, let's talk about that part. The bodybuilder that people see was created from pain and everything that I went through. So I was in survival mode. The Maryland Muscle Machine, four-time first Olympia runner-up and two-time Arnold Classic champion. Bodybuilding icon, Kevin LeBroni. People need to learn how to close their eyes and communicate and stop judging someone by what they see. I've been crushed. My older brother was shot and murdered. I've been crushed. My other brother died from cancer. You know, I've been crushed.

0:32my father's friend was the first one I went to he died in two weeks but God said I've been preparing you for a greater purpose than what you wanted, what you've been through or what I went through or what I'm going to continue to go through. If we can endure that crushing phase we'll reach our purpose in life. Have you got any advice for people who have lost a parent or they're being brought up in a difficult household how they can channel the negativity and put it to good use? Yeah I say Quick pause guys I need to tell you something. It's that time of the year where everyone's on the winter arc hype where they're building their physique, which they plan to reveal at some point in the summer of 2026.

1:10But I hate to be the guy that says it. Most of you are going to end up getting fat. You'll be overeating. You'll be following some sort of a program, which isn't actually going to be getting your results. You're going to be improvising on the spot, no doubt. You won't be tracking. There'll be no structure, just random exercises with minimal progress seen on a week to week basis. Pretty frustrating, right? Well, that's the whole reason why I built the Thirst app, to help busy people like yourself find a system they can actually stick to over a long period of time. We have thousands of transformations for men and women who just plug into the app and get the exact plan they need for their goals, show up to the gym and just put in the work, all for less than an hour of their time.

1:52I've got a special offer running for you guys right now. For less than the price of a one-to-one PT session, you get access to over hundreds of programs and hundreds of different meal plans, everything which you could possibly need to get yourself in shape. So if you actually want to stick to something and see results without taking things to the absolute extremities, click the link in the bio. Let's get on with the video. It's nice now to finally sit down and have a conversation with you whilst I'm not on all fours struggling to breathe in a puddle of sweat. Yeah, yeah. you did well though man yeah yeah i knew it was something totally off the radar for you yes so i didn't know how you would like make it yours but you did definitely yeah definitely you did yeah so that was that was uh professional side of you adapted to something different and accepting it and that was cool yeah i mean it was mental training yeah almost more than the physique i mean i was sore for five days after that though you were yes i don't know that's the first time i've been that sore for bodyweight workout yeah and you know people look at us and ah you know his biceps and this how many reps and sets and this and that but we found a way to get there through the attack system without the weights.

3:19We didn't even use no weight. It was just your body weight. And I know you were upfront and honest with the way that you were feeling. So I was like, okay, this does work. Because you, like for me, 30 years of training, 16 sets per body part, blah, blah, blah. Your overall conditioning is something totally different. You know, you train more mainstream, not just sets, you know, 16, loading up, benching for whatever, three or four or 500 pounds. Right. And your way. And I'm like, OK, well, let me try to see if this approach works on Mike. But you were feeling it. When you started sweating and you were bleeding sweat, I was like, you know what?

4:08it works so i commend you on that definitely definitely did you ever used to train like that i did yeah once i not not when i was preparing for my shows so i think now it's not confused a few people yeah they were like hang on wait did kev used to train like this before not not when i was preparing for my shows but after you know the hardcore bodybuilding i was introduced to a life of working out that is really really beneficial you know and that's that's one of them yeah cardio conditioning training the heart being a moving moving athlete right and that's what it is you know yeah man you you're looking good now i've seen a few recent pictures the six pack is still there yeah well it's it's coming in more serratus serratus serratus season uh is definitely there.

5:00So I feel good about it. You know, I'm running, man. I'm on a treadmill, you know, running faster, but running in the morning, you know, maybe five miles, you know, trying to knock out five miles within about 20, 25 minutes. Yeah. So that's good for me right now. My overall goal is to get to where I can do like a mini marathon, you know what is it what's that class that's how many kilometers is mini marathon um that would probably be about 20 okay have you done it 20 20 miles yeah i don't know what that acts to in kilometers but well that's a lot of running for me 20 i mean i did a few 5ks and i was like yeah yeah that's because the problem is when you do like if you if you want to do that style of running you want to be good at it you got to compromise that you can't have big jacks muscular legs no but you know i have a friend of mine uh paul rasha he's but he used to be my former uh working at workout partner you know to where he he's kind of introduced me took me down this road and you know doing the research and everything like it's all mental you know i was so used to michael like and that's got i got to kind of commend you on the workout that we did because it's something different.

6:22Me being programmed as a bodybuilder, reaching the status that I did, my programming was faster cardio in your target heart rate zone, not allowing your target heart rate to go above 126 beats per minute. What's she gonna be losing mass and all this stuff, right? Well, you look good, but you're not conditioned. You know, you can't last in a battle. What I mean in a battle is, You have these enormous amounts of bursts of energy, but it's not sustained over a long period of time. So I was like, yeah, I look great, but how long can I perform? So for me now, being at my age, it's like conditioning inside from the inside out.

7:13So I'm trying these things. And I just think that, you know, my buddy Paul, you know, he used to work out. He's 240 pounds, a few inches taller than me, but rock solid. You know, he's doing 20 miles, you know, and he's biking on his bike like he does triathlons, swimming two and a half miles, biking 100 miles. And then after that, you're running 20 miles. so he's combined all of this and you know he's 50 years old knocking out the park so i'm like wow if you're doing that inspiring that yeah he's 40 pounds more muscle i'm only like 209 right now but for me my greatest challenge was letting go because i wasn't i felt very uncomfortable when my heart rate would go in the 140s you know yeah because i'd never sustained it up in the 140s or anything past 130 you know what about if you were training legs well it would go up but it wouldn't last but it wouldn't last so this is kind of different when you're training legs and you're loading you're loading it goes up and you and you're so focused on getting those reps and sets but it's only for a short period of time this is you know spinning 445 beats per minute or 150 you You're pushing a limit to where you're there 30 minutes or whatever it is.

8:39Get used to it. Like David Goggins, this guy is phenomenal. So it's just another whole approach, mental approach to letting go and trusting your body to go where your body, because your body will adapt to whatever you train it to, right? But you got to get past that mental blockage. Yeah, in the beginning usually so. So for me, that's my greatest challenge and it has been. So, you know, I'm training in these blitz now. I get on the treadmill, I'll go six, two minutes, you know, these intervals up to 10, 12 or whatever, 12 miles an hour, you know, running. So I'm breaking my brain in now. Of course, the body can do it, but it feels so uncomfortable.

9:23You know, when your heart rate goes up to 150, 140s, 150s, 160s, that everything is okay. You got to let go. It's fine. So that's the strange part for me. How do you stay on top of everything with your schedule at the moment? I mean, for those people who are watching, Kev's just done back to back three days of the Dubai Muscle Show, which is nonstop from morning till night. and then this is the Sunday, the third day. You've very, very nicely come onto the podcast, even though I'm sure you'd rather be in bed right now. No, not really. I'd rather be here talking to you. Good stuff. And we talked about that earlier.

10:03Yeah, yeah. You have to be out in front of where you want to be. You know, what I mean by out in front of where you need to be or where we want to be, where I want to be, where I want to be is, you know, no greater place than here. uh but a lot of guys they go to the expo they go out and they do things and they're you know two or three hours they show up you know but for me showing up is maximizing uh the time the efforts in that place to accomplish what you want where you want to be a year from now yeah you know what i mean uh so for me this is this is where i'll definitely be at the end of the day finishing that off you know yeah so yeah no i can see with you and your your fans it makes sense why you have such a loyal fan base because you really do you like you care about them yeah like you i saw i went yesterday say hello you had a massive queue and you're there you're putting in the time with each and every person that comes to talk to you yeah so it's it's very important i mean for me that's just that's that's that's it's who I am you know um not a lot of uh famous human beings want to share their platform with average people you know or a lot of a lot of I've gotten passed up a whole lot you know that's because they didn't want to share their platform with me but that's okay you know because the cream always rise to the top right so now this is my platform so I know how it feels when there's a guy trying to come up and everybody's just putting those roadblocks up for that guy you know and they a lot of people see a gifted talent in that human being but they won't give him that shot you know I was that guy you know what I mean coming through the Olympias or whatever it is you know I might have not won the Miss Olympia of course I was deserving to win you know but sometimes like for me now it's like I I I want to share my platform with the guys out there, you know, there's just nobody sees what, or the ones that do see something in you, they don't give you their shot, you know?

12:11So I'll stay nine hours, 10 hours to hear the stories. Yo, man, why'd you decide to wait in six hours until the line is to talk to me? And then, you know, you hear those stories, man. I, you know, I've waited a whole year. I can't afford to go to the Miss Olympia. You know, I wanted to meet you. I saved up my money to come to this event, to this show, you know, eight, nine hours I drove to get here, you know, brought his parents or whatever. That's the stuff to keep me going because I was once that kid, you know, that just wanted to find my way. And I had nobody, nobody that gave me the time of the day, you know, so I stand because it's part of me standing, but also, uh, they give me the injury to keep going on because i was that guy you know yeah you know i don't maybe you've gotten passed up along the way oh yeah and you know even now we get passed up you know what i mean but it's like you never never really stops i think no you doesn't there's still to this day there's people who i reach out to i'd want to do something with but they're like you know they're above or they think they are above you know but they pass them by so i never despise a day of small beginnings because the guys that passed me up and the ones that voted me down you know um keeping it real like now i have the upper hand yeah it's like okay you you passed me up but now you want to be on my platform and that's cool so i'll still drag those guys up you know but it's like i don't want to be that guy that passed the average guy up you know and and i don't ever want to be that guy that don't help somebody because i want the glory for myself you know that's not cool no so for me man it's like you know that's that's what drives me and i don't mind standing for that guy that needs a piece of my heart, soul, or whatever it is.

14:15If I can lift him up, great. That's why I came. That's why I'm here. And we come, Expo opens at 9 or whatever. It closes at 7. We close it down. Close it down, bro. And hitting 20-some different countries. Same thing. If the line's wrapped around a building, you know and uh i i i tell my distributors sometimes hey i don't care you guys are in for a long night tonight because i'm not gonna leave until i talk to that last guy at the end of that last line the line right there and we'll go to one time six o 'clock seven o 'clock to one in the morning yeah you know and it's like literally international as well yeah it's the craziest place this is it was any place in particular that was like i can't believe the the crowd was this big um the crowd is what's happened mike is the fact that like we started off you know and just the crowd every time is getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger every year that's the part that's getting me and i'm like well what are we doing different it's not like he's competing it's like crazy we're not doing anything different but what it is it's the message, you know what I mean?

15:34Because I'm sharing, Hey, I'm sharing those heartfelt things that people can relate to. You know, they look at us and they think we perfect, but they don't know what, what drove, drove you or drove me to be here in this, uh, what created us, what's driving us deeper than what they see, you know? And, uh, I'm willing to go to that place and just connect with the inner being and say, hey, man, you're glorifying the bodybuilder, Maryland Muscle Machine, Kevin LaVroni. That's a character that I created through all the agony and pain and suffering that I went through. People want what you have, but they don't want to endure their suffering.

16:20And I always say, let's talk about that part of my life where my dad died. I was 10. I didn't have a Christmas tree, didn't get any more gifts, didn't celebrate Thanksgiving. You know, nobody showed up. I failed sixth grade in school. I was bullied because I didn't have a father. You know, all those things. That's what created my thought process when I go into the gym, right, of that crazy insanity. So there's a message in you and me that everybody can relate to. So I always try to relate to those. yeah after after we had the the session together obviously i knew who you were but then i was curious to find out more after we trained and i did a little bit more uh researching and diving deep into your backstory i didn't realize that the difficulties that you'd gone through as a child obviously losing your your father to cancer and it was something which i could relate to quite a bit because i lost my mother to cancer when i was 11 and a similar sort of thing where there was like what you said, it was a four-month period where you had to go to so many different funerals for family members.

17:23Like your childhood wasn't a normal one. And a similar thing for me, not in that short a period of time, but there was within a four-year period where I'd been to like five different funerals from like either friends or family members, people who committed suicide. And it was a very weird childhood for me, especially my teenage years. But nobody really sees that yeah they just see it's perfect guy you know looking great looking like a model but they don't know you know your journey you know what what what is the journey what is the journey behind all of it and i always say you know people need to learn how to close their eyes and communicate and stop judging someone by what they see yeah you know i'm sure a lot of the people who come to you, they will no doubt have their own struggles and issues which they're dealing with.

18:20And they probably are asking you for advice and guidance. Vice versa with you, you know, um, you know, you have a platform and I've, I've, I've read a lot of, uh, your followers, you know, the comments and how many people that you totally inspire, man. That's phenomenal. But I don't think anyone has given you a blueprint to get where you are now. You had to figure that out yourself. You moved, you made the sacrifices, you've made it through the ups, the downs, and all of those has created you to be who you are, your decision making to talk and to be who you are, man. And that's what people, there's something different about Mike.

19:13I know he looks good in the muscles and he's handsome in all of this stuff, but you know what? There's something different about him. And what it is is that you're a kind, gentle human being, you know, and the looks and the outer shell and the titles is just what gravitates, is what they see. That gets their attention. but then you know when you start speaking when you start interreacting wow he's different you know he's a likable human being you follow what i'm saying and that's why you have your your fan base you're you're following your your roots they're embedded through your history of who you are and it comes out i know you're doing reps and sets and all this shit But, you know, your whole demeanor is what people feel and they come to your page because they want to be part of that.

20:10They want to have that feeling when you give somebody something that they can't get anywhere else. They'll keep coming back for more of that feeling. So you have yours. I have mine, you know, the whole niche thing. So and that is why I always say, you know, people need to find their way, find out their purpose. Obviously, you found your purpose now. you know it's it's a powerful thing you're doing and i found mine yeah do you feel like you were always the way that you are now in terms of internally like you like from what i can see and what i know is you're you're a genuinely good kind person were you always like that always yeah always you know because i see like you see the the training videos in you in the gym and it's like it's very easy to judge based off you know that type of person and what you know how you look yeah but you you're just a kind soul yeah deep down yeah yeah yeah i like i like to feel my way yeah how did you get into uh bodybuilding and lifting again you know it was associated with my father dying from cancer, not wanting to play team sports in school, looking for a place where I could just be by myself, going to the school gym alone by myself.

21:38I didn't want to play football. I didn't want to play any sports. I wanted to just be by myself. So I started studying philosophy of Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee was a philosopher. And I picked up the books and started reading the books after my father died. And martial arts, you know, teach you discipline and self-confidence. So I studied the arts of martial arts. And I kind of found strength in how to pretty much control your destiny. right so it all stemmed from bruce lee and i always followed bruce lee you know and read all of his books and the things that he was talking about the power of the mind as long as you believe something you can achieve it visualization and all of these things and i've actually taken martial arts and dove deeply into martial arts and then um i had to use it huh have you ever how to use it.

22:43No, I took the mental mindset and I just, when I figured out I was putting on sides real quick in this, and then I just took that and applied it to going into the gym with that mindset, attacking the weights, visualizing and, you know, finding my path and my routes with sets and reps and forming my way of working out. And then I kind of stumbled across everything. But that's how I got into working out. Were you a quick responder? A hyper responder, yeah. But it was through the death of my father where I got into martial arts and I discovered bodybuilding. Yeah. And then did you have any idea that you wanted to compete or was it straight up?

23:34I had no idea. I went to a powerlifting meet, But then I found out that you could make money in bodybuilding, more money than competing as a martial arts amateur. And I stumbled across bodybuilding. It just became easy. It was easy to put on muscle. I don't want to disrespect the sport or anything like that. But for me, it's always been easy. Easy because you enjoyed the process and the results just came. more easy because you think you were just you got pretty lucky with genetics because like for me my experience of going to the gym and starting off i just had a little play around with some weights and i remember looking at myself in the mirror and i was like oh this is right yeah pretty easy and then there was also there was um i got mugged on a bus once so i felt very helpless like physically i wasn't i was very skinny so i was like okay like let me let me bulk up a little bit and at least look a little bit intimidating so that I don't become a target.

24:38Yeah. And then it just so happened, I guess a similar thing, just going into the gym, playing around with it, looked in the mirror, liked the way that I looked after that, and then it was game over. It was game over. Yeah. Yeah. It just happened kind of quick for me. Yeah. Do you look back at the competing days and miss it? No. No? No. No. How come? Um, because every set, every rep, every competition, I always thought about my parents and, um, I had to go to a dark place to create that character. You know, the bodybuilder that people see, um, it's created from pain and everything that I went through.

25:26So when I would get on a cycle of steroids or something, it was just I was in survival mode, you know, feeling a part of me that was a deep, dark side, you know, and revisiting those moments. And when I go into a gym, I can't really go and work out if I'm not 100%. that guy. And I can't get to be like, I was that guy. I'm not the guy no more. So I don't do 16 sets of body part. I don't squat heavy. I don't do the heavy bench pressing and stuff. For me now, it's another whole type of training that I've never done before. It's running, it's conditioning, it's being a moving athlete. So for me to go to the dark side, like there's no reason to but but back then that was survival yeah that was my therapy right well i guess it's risky you don't necessarily want that dark side to come out now it's like you probably injure yourself i mean i guess that's like one of the reasons why you got the pec tear and tricep tear i'm i'm i'm not that guy no more yeah so you know um but that was done for another whole reasoning.

26:51Not that I don't really think anyone could really understand it unless they've actually been through it, but that was actually therapy. A lot of people who I've spoken to who've lost a parent, particularly if they've lost a parent at a young age, they have actually, not necessarily everyone, but a lot of them have gone on to do some pretty great things. They've channeled that and put it into something. But then there's obviously the other end of the spectrum where people, they don't put that to good use and they go down the wrong path. Maybe they punish themselves by doing drugs and hanging around with the wrong people.

27:35Have you got any advice for people or youngsters who have lost a parent or they're being brought up in a difficult household, how they can channel the negativity and put its good use. Yeah. I say that, and I said this a lot, when you think your life is falling apart, it's falling in place. Yeah. Most of us get in the way of what we force. Sometimes you don't have to force it, You just have to embrace the pain. And if somebody want to call it negative or whatever it is happening, but you got to realize that that's preparing you. It's preparation. You're in preparation season. You know, you got to go through that thing to get through that thing.

28:34Yeah. You know, and I say that. Yeah. My father died two weeks. We had no idea he was going to die. My father used to take me to school in the morning. I would get out of school at 2.30. He would be there to pick me up every day since first grade. And I woke up. I had to walk to the bus stop. Mom said, your dad's back's hurting. And I walked to the bus stop first time I caught a bus. You know, that day, it got dark. He didn't pick me up from school. The janitor named Miss Smith, she took me home. It was 6 o 'clock, dark at night. I got home. Now, normally, my mother would be home with dinner cook waiting for my father to come home at 4 or 5 o 'clock.

29:19He wasn't there. He never came home. I never saw him again until he was in a casket.

29:27And it was devastating. so now Michael looking back I'm 61 years old the average lifespan is maybe 80 78 maybe I have 60 pieces to that 78 or 80 pieces of puzzle of life so I can now say now it makes sense why daddy died and then my mom at 19, right? And then the whole thing with bodybuilding, I'm at 61 years old. So now everything that happened from everything, it came full circle. I'm like, damn, okay. It all makes sense. But when I was 10, I only had 10 pieces in my life. Didn't make sense. Yeah, nothing makes sense. Shit ain't make sense. 19 didn't make sense. Now I understand why pop died.

30:25God took him away because of where I'm at now. It's cool. Kevin's standing there. He's visiting 20-some countries a year. His supplement company is in over 100 countries a year. He never won the Miss Olympia because if he had to win the Miss Olympia in 1992, he would have stopped. So you see, God had a greater purpose. And I always say God because I know what I wanted, but what I wanted isn't what he wanted for me. and what I wanted was to win the Miss Olympia. But he was like, no, I didn't take your dad away for you to have a trophy. I took your dad away and your mom away because I wanted you, I was building you to do greater things, but you didn't see it then.

31:10So now it makes sense. If I could stand here now and talk to you and talk to all of these kids around the world in so many countries, you know, we're doing business in every single thing. Now it makes sense why I never won the Miss Olympia. You see? Now it makes sense why after the Olympia, I got second. I would always go on tour in Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Russia, Holodz, Czech, around the world, and win these shows in 1994, 91, 96, 97, right? It was like he was preparing me through my pain and suffering for this moment, for this journey. You see, it wasn't about the Olympia or that trophy that collects dust.

31:55It's about a greater purpose for our lives. So I would say to any kid out there, wait, hold on. When you think your life is falling apart, it's not. It's falling into place. Just don't give up. You know, don't take your life. I know it's tough. and like we beat ourselves up because of things that we don't have. And, you know, we might feel like, you know, we're being abused or we might not have that dad or we might, you know, have nobody, no bigger brother or nobody to teach us and show us the way. But as long as you have you, I really do believe that that's all we need because when we were born, we were born with every single thing.

32:42It's only when we try to be like someone else is that we lose our path. The pain and suffering, you need that. Like a wine, grapes need to be crushed. We need to be crushed. You see what I'm saying, brother? We need to be crushed before we can be who we need to be and have and reach the ferment of who we are, who Mike is, who Kevin is. I've been crushed. You know, my older brother was shot and murdered. I've been crushed. My other brother died from cancer. You know, I've been crushed. My mom gone 19 years old, two years before I even turned pro. She never lived to see any of this. I've been crushed.

33:28My father's friend was the first one I went to. He died in two weeks. Been crushed. Never had a Christmas tree. Never saw Thanksgiving. I've been on the road. I would in hotel rooms by myself for 15, 20, 30, 40 years, seeking an Olympic trophy, wanting to be Mr. Olympia. I've been crushed because I haven't won ever the Mr. Olympia. Won everything in the world, but you go back and you get second, you get second, you feel like they're just giving you bones and everything. I've been crushed, right? Because I've been crushing myself, chasing that. But God said, I've been preparing you for a greater purpose than what you wanted, you see?

34:05And we can't see it when we're in that crushing phase. But what happens when you crush that wine and you let it set, you let it ferment six months, two years, three years, five years, 15 years, you know what a nice bottle of wine is set in 62 years, 61 years would taste like how expensive it would be right now. More so than if you don't crush it and you take them grapes and you just let it sit there and you get that success right now, it ain't going to taste as good. So, you know, I had to ferment like you had to ferment. And it takes time for us to get to that fine wine, brother. So it's when we hold on through the crushing, we find our purpose.

34:48You see? So it's like I'd rather have that 62 bottle a year wine that's been setting for 62 years. Give me a nice bottle of wine from 1964 right now. is worth a lot more than any wine that's been, you know, sitting on a shelf in 2020, right? It's priceless. So that crushing phase is priceless. What you've been through or what I went through or what I'm going to continue to go through, you see? That's the true purpose of who we are. If we can endure that crushing phase, we'll reach our purpose in life. Just a quick one, guys. We have an offer running on the Thirst app right now. And for those who don't know, This is an app which I built to give you everything that you could possibly need in order to get yourself in shape.

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36:16So now's the time to get in shape. Make it easier for yourself with a system that actually works with minimal input and the absolute maximum output. Let's get into the video. Did you ever think where you would have ended up if everything had just been perfect? Like what you would be doing? You know, I don't know what perfect is because I've never experienced it. For me right now, this is perfect. Yeah. Yeah. The pain for me, if someone wants to call it pain or whatever, This is my perfect life. I'd rather have this life and be born in the royalty without a message. You know, I've found my purpose, Kevin LaVroni, you know, and, you know, it wasn't handed to me.

37:09Like your life and your purpose wasn't handed to you. You know, your father didn't hand this down to you. along the way what they did Mike was they had to be born for us to be who we are you know so we got to remember that now whether your father was in your life or he wasn't or your mom was in your life or they wasn't but your father your great great great grandfather who we never met they lived for us to give the message for us to be here right now we're the ones that did it so honoring where we are who we came from and our way of being where we are on this stage right now um i'd much rather be crushed and endure that process to say you know what i'm here and uh did you ever go to therapy no you think i need to no but like i i didn't really either yeah uh and a lot of people said yeah what he probably should have done.