JAKE SHANE: Why I Can’t Enjoy My Own Success

0:00You get big guests. I do. Who's your worst guest? Well, I'll tell you, but it was ******. They weren't nice. They were mean. And that is the only time I've ever had a bad experience. Who's the guest that you had you most nervous for? Probably Kylie Jenner. She is so funny. She's just, she's her. Who's your dream guest? Ooh, okay. Hi, I'm Jake Shane, and I'm in great company. Hi, pussies. TikToker turned podcaster. One of the funniest people on the internet. Everybody, it's Jake Shane. I was telling people that I'm interviewing you today. People were freaking the fuck out. Really? It has been fast.

0:34And sometimes it takes a minute for me to be like, I can breathe. I would post like 17 times a day. So you were never nervous about posting anything? Now I am. Because I take myself too seriously. I'm scared if I say it's going well, it'll go poorly. You grew up with OCD, didn't you? It takes like whatever I'm most anxious about and uses that as a crutch. If I do this, then I'll get cancelled. Isn't this an always on thing? Always on. Always 24-7. When I find something to hyperfixate on, that's when it goes away. When you got some, like, comments about hosting family fair, I was very hurt. There was one video that this person made that I was like, oh, I gotta delete TikTok for a minute.

1:10Towards the end of the week, when the whole thing was dying down, I was acting more and more and more upset because the attention's gone now. I am obsessed with British culture. Would you want a British boyfriend? Yes. I feel like I could help you find your British boyfriend. Wait, are you being for real? Have you ever been in love?

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3:10Hey guys, welcome back to Great Company, currently still in LA. Again, the reason we came to LA is because we wanted to get some amazing American guests on the show. And today's guest is probably the man of the moment from Hollywood. Okay. He's a content creator. He has his own chat show on Netflix called Therapist. It's Mr. Jake Shane. Okay. I'm so excited. I've tried to get Jake on our show for a long time. And he finally agreed when he knew we were coming to LA. Okay. We talk about so many different things and you probably see a side of Jake that you haven't seen before. So get ready for it.

3:40Now, if you're new to our show and you haven't subscribed already, if I can ask one favor, that is click that button. It takes one second, it's completely free And it allows us to keep making the show better for you guys every single week Because that's what we want to do, so join the community Alright, here we go Enjoy this wild episode of Great Company with Jake Shane Okay, I am obsessed with British culture Okay, you can ask me anything you want, go Did you watch Skins? Yeah, and you're obsessed with it now? I'm on season three, did you listen to The Streets? Yes Okay Have you ever watched Made in Chelsea?

4:13I have no fucking ways I haven't I'm so sorry I just know I just know that you are in it and I didn't think that you would press more so on it but I have not you haven't even watched a scene no but I've heard it's amazing I've heard it's amazing people really rave about it okay so what happens in it that it's a reality show okay good and you're like made in Chelsea and you guys all talk about it and you fight and you raise your kids and you do the thing What do you love about London? What do I love about London? I love how matter of fact it is. Like, it's kind of like, I feel like the culture there is like, pick yourself up, dust yourself off and keep going.

4:56Yeah, yeah. Bury it all. Like, you know, like, it's fine. Like, don't pity yourself. Keep it going. We're all going through something. And I think in America, I don't know. It's just, it's different. Like, it's very like, it's very tough love. It's very tough, I would say. do you do you think you have British humor I would hope so but I I don't think I do I think you do really yeah yeah yeah I think you have British humor I think that's why you cross over the pond that's the thing that's why the Brits love you is because you I love the Brits yeah because you have this like random humor that we have yeah well all my best friends are British are they a lot are my best friend Alice her entire family is British and like I just like love talking about British stuff with her.

5:41Can I ask you a personal question? Uh-huh. Would you want a British boyfriend? Yes. Yes. I would. Okay, and describe that British boyfriend to me. Okay. Okay, here we go. But really, I need you to go into detail here. I need to know what this is. He is six... I would take 5 '11". He works in, like, finance, like they do in industry. My friends wrote that. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, my friend Mickey and Conrad... I know. I'm obsessed with them. Jay, I need to do So you love industry that much Yeah If I was to FaceTime my friend Mickey Who wrote it Yeah, I'd be shy Can I Can you get my phone quickly Elle, can you get my phone No, I'd be shy No, because he Mickey will freak out Yeah We DM sometimes No, here we go Because I'm now stealing stuff That you do on your show I'm like sweating Okay, you can You can FaceTime role model And I'll FaceTime Mickey Okay Okay, I'm going to FaceTime Mickey Hold on, here we go Okay, but I'm just going to tell him To write me in Yes, that's what I'm going to do For him, right?

6:37Like Have you been in the show? Yes, I have as a cameo because he wouldn't give me a proper role. What were you? I was just on a panel. Which panel? It was like a politics panel. Yes, I remember the panel. I was on it. Was it the one Harper was on? You didn't remember? Was it at the one where Harper is basically fucking over Yaz and is like... Jake, I haven't watched that series. Yes, you have because you're in it. I only watched that one bit and I couldn't even see myself in it. I'm going to phone Mickey. Hold on one second. I'm phoning Mickey. Here we go. Okay. I want to go to set, Louis. He's on set.

7:10They're filming. Yeah, but that doesn't... Of course he can pick it up. Your WhatsApp. I need to WhatsApp, you guys. Okay, hold on. I really need to be a Brit. No one talked about my shirt. It's Oasis. I'm going to say to... I got a guest. Quick, quickly. I need to share... Jamie, Jake wants you to ask him about his shirt. Jake, I see you're wearing an Oasis shirt. Yes. Do you love Oasis? So much. You know I know Noel Gallagher. I'm going to FaceTime it. I don't.

7:41I just got so excited Which one's the more rebellious one? That was Liam, right? Liam was the more Liam was the more rebellious one But that is like That is British culture I just I went to their latest concert And it was like The most insane thing In the entire world Well I have I've told about Ten different people That I'm gonna go see them live I'm gonna go to Networth I'm gonna go to London And I'm gonna I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go to the one In New York and LA But what is it So the British culture Why is it like Have you had fish and chips? Yes Have you had jelly deals? See, the beauty of British culture is I get to learn something new every single day.

8:11What is that? It's like, it's something called pie and mash. So if you're from East End, right? If you're from East End. See, I'm just like obsessed. Like what? Yeah, yeah. Like East End. Like I'm just obsessed. I'm obsessed. Pie and mash. Like I'm, but you know what? You know what? I know. What's the, that type of language that you guys use? Like Cockney? Yes. Like. I'm going to try and try. Cockney is like, oh, I might. Let's go down the happy one pairs. The stairs. Yes. Yeah. apple and stairs apple and pairs upstairs yeah that's like a cockney okay give me another dog and bone what's that phone there you freaking go see there we go it's so fun it's like a puzzle so would you so your boyfriend oh yes that you like 5 '11 or up I would settle for 5 '10 works like an industry job like not in industry entertainment like the show industry okay so he works in he works in on industry no he works in finance He works in finance Or he's a writer Oh nice And he just like His whole family's from London They're like Where do they live in London?

9:16I don't care Okay nice Tattoos? Totally Showing or not showing? Don't care Don't care Okay Is he sensitive? Is he alpha? Is he He's sensitive Like we're out to dinner And I say something And it hurts his feelings And he doesn't say it And then when we're home and we're getting into bed, he's like, what you've said really hurt my feelings tonight. And we get into a really big fight. But my dream guy, his mom's like, oh, come on. It's cold. It's cold. Come inside. Why is it cold? Because it's London and it's cold. And she's like, come inside. Come on. Take your coat off. It's cold. I have a roast.

9:57I have a roast for you. This is after dinner as well. No, she has a roast. We haven't eaten. But even though you've had dinner, she's still got a roast on the table. Yeah, and I'm like, oh, fucking, I don't want to eat it. And he's like, well, okay, like, you have to. And are they Yorkshire puddings? I love Yorkshire puddings. Those are, I know, those are like the, they're like, it's like a pastry. Yeah, it's like a pastry. Yes, I love Yorkshire pudding. It's like a puff pastry with like a little hole in it. It's like a little mug. I like those. Without a handle. I like those. And I like sausage rolls.

10:31I fuck with sausage rolls it's like a huge pig in a blanket yeah yeah yeah do you use dating apps? yeah I use Raya I used to use Hinge I don't use Hinge anymore okay what does your profile say? my profile it says I still work at the job I worked at when I was 22 I've had the same song since I've made the profile and you can't really say much on Raya it's just photos and then a song And you can add places, but I don't really, I've never done that. You know, when I was single and younger and doing Made in Chelsea, I went to get on Raya and they rejected me. Really? Yeah. I don't know how I got on to Raya.

11:12I think I begged. My application had been in since I was 19 years old. And I got approved when I was 22. Say that to me again so I get that. You apply, like you can get a referral and then you apply. and it was like you're on the wait list and so I had to like wait my old boss knew somebody and he I forget his name but he's lovely and he worked at Raya and he got me in have you ever been in love no what like I'm in love with my friends I love my friends yeah but that's maybe a different sort of love has anyone ever loved you no I don't think so do you want to be in love yes can you talk about it I think it requires a sense of vulnerability in private that I don't have wait to talk about it or to actually do that like it requires I don't know I would love to be in love it sounds lovely but also I imagine like so many people would want to like love you yeah I would hope so but that has not been the case But from your side?

12:26I think from both. I don't know. Every person I want doesn't want me. And then if they want me, I don't. It's just like, I don't know. I don't think I'm ready for it. I feel like I could help you find your British boyfriend. Where? Are you being for real? I'm serious. You know what I need? I need somebody that's boring. Like somebody that doesn't care about. Okay, actually, you know what I need? I need somebody, regardless of British or not, that at the end of the day is so thinks what I do is so cool that I can sit down and help me realize how cool it is and help me be grateful and be like, oh my God, that's what you did today?

13:00That is so cool. Wow. That's what I need. And we spoke about dating, right? Yes, we spoke about dating. And I have a lot of gay friends, right, who had found it hard like navigating coming out. What was your experience of coming out? I came out to my mom and my dad when I was like, 10 and then to everyone else like in my freshman and sophomore year of high school i didn't really have an experience the only experience i remember yeah it's it well that's credit to my parents but i um i came out to my mom when i was 10 i just told her and then she was super nice and then i asked for a toy and then she said no and then when i realized that Frank Ocean, he never really came out.

13:48He was just kind of like, well, he's gay. And he never made a big... Because I was used to celebrities making big announcements that they were gay. Right? I was used to Ellen DeGeneres like, I'm gay. I'm on the cover of People and I'm gay. But Frank Ocean never said anything. And so I was like, oh, well, if he doesn't have to say anything, then what's the point in saying something? You can just kind of live life. That's amazing. Yeah. You're not owed... If someone asks you, then you can tell them. But like you don't owe anyone an explanation. 100%. Yeah. Oh, man. Your parents sound amazing. Yes.

14:24Think about who could have made me. Like think about that. I am a 50-50 between my mom and my dad. Just, you know, really think about it. Like I am my parents. So it's like looking. I was fighting with my dad the other day and I was like, oh, my God. I'm like talking to myself. Because he's a screenwriter and your mom's a journalist. Yes, she is. Yes. And he is as well. Yeah, my mom is a very, very – and they're both very talented. What did they teach you? My dad taught me about what's important in life. Yeah. Like, and not worrying about things that don't matter. But I don't listen to him in the moment, and I wish I did.

15:01And I get a lot of my comedic timing from my dad. Yeah. I get a lot of my gossipy and inquisitiveness from my mom. and I get a lot of like, well, this is life and it kind of sucks. And then just move on. Life is unfair. Life is unfair. Deal with it. Deal with it. Are you close with them? Very close. I'm very close with my parents. Like, especially like with my mom, she's incredible. And I like feel very lucky that I'm still close to them because a lot of people are not close to their families. I know. Yeah. Were they proud of you when you came out then? When I came out as gay? Yeah. Yes. But then that was it Because normally like in that experience From my understanding it's like the reverse You tell your friends and then you tell your parents But you were just so happy to go and say that Which is kind of beautiful Because like my mom knew I had a Justin Bieber themed birthday She knew what was going on What were you like as a kid?

15:59You know I was talking about this the other day I was a pretty angry kid Really? I think I was angry and I was funny Outwardly angry or inwardly angry? I am the same exact person that I was as a kid, kind of. A little bit. I'm just a tad more confident now. I'm a tad calmer. I was really hyper. I was really anxious. I was just kind of like bouncing. Yeah, like if you got a bouncy ball and threw into a school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a perfect way to describe me as a child. But how did your anger come out? What do you mean by angry? At home. Like I would fight with my parents all the time.

16:35Really? About everything. I also was a little bit of an angry kid. But I don't know what it's from. And sometimes I think about it a lot, right? Like, I don't know where that frustration came from. I don't understand where it came from. Like, I used to, the way I used to release my anguish, I used to steal things. Okay. From my parents. I used to steal keys. I stole things from my parents. I stole money. But insecure kid or no? Very. Still am. In what ways? I don't know. I was just, I think I was insecure about how much money my family had. because I went to a private school with a lot of really wealthy kids.

17:07I was really insecure about, like, being the best. So, like, making sure I got into this college. I was really insecure. I was just insecure. It's interesting, right? I think we're all kind of insecure when we're younger, but it's ways that we, like, deal with it, right? And what I found was when I left school, that's when I was really able to find myself much easier, right? I found myself, yeah, you know what? I found myself completely when I left college. Really? So, like, when I left school, college, that's when I really began to find myself because I was able to kind of suppress the insecurity in college by like, I would go out.

17:41That was like where I felt the most secure. Like at a party, like out with my friends, drunk. I was like dancing. Like that's when I felt the best. Cause you met your group. You met your like crowd, right? Yeah. And I also felt cool. I think I was really insecure about not being cool. Yeah. But why is that a thing? I don't like, I had that as well. I don't know. I think it was just the TV I watched. I wanted to be like the people i watched on tv like i would watch gossip girl 90210 like i wanted to be like i wanted to have those like extravagant crazy lives my life just like was kind of mundane yeah but explain that to me but why what did that make you think you would sit at home and you watch something like gossip girl or whatever why because you thought what i thought they were cool you thought they were cool and you felt like you weren't inwardly yes yeah but then i would have moments where i'm like no i'm cool and then i would have something like i was still like my confidence was like standing on like a stilt.

18:32What do you think friendship means to you? Ooh, okay. What do I think friendship means to me? Showing up, loyalty, keeping a secret. I always say friendship to me is like, if my friend does something bad, it's like, I'll have your back, but I'll tell you that what you've done is bad. But I'll still have your back. Like, it's not leaving someone in like a time of, toughness. You champion your friends so much. You bring them into your world and they love you. They are my world. They are your world. Yeah, they are my world. It's your chosen family. It's your chosen family that you have and you're just truthful and honest with each other.

19:13Yeah, very truthful, very honest. Lots of fights. Who's your best friend? I have like a group. I have a group of people. It's like Brett, Alice, Julia, Peyton. Those are my best friends. Because I think the biggest thing, right, is that your friends need to champion your success, which is like the coolest thing in the entire world. Yeah, it's awesome. Like, how do people, especially within that cycle, champion, don't become jealous or envious. They just want success for you, which is kind of amazing. Well, I'm very jealous. Are you? Yes. The two things can exist at once. Like, you can feel something, but still behave a certain way.

19:49Being jealous is, like, you're only human. So, like, of course I'm going to feel jealous from time to time. or like insecure or whatever. But like you can be jealous and still show up. So when you were younger, who were you jealous of? I don't know. I was a jealous kid. I'm still jealous. How can you be jealous now? I know, right? I know. So tell me back. So you go to university, you find your friendship group. You then, for people in the UK who are watching this don't know, right? You then leave and what happens next when you leave university, when you leave college? I'm working at a record label.

20:22And it's called? It's called 10K Projects. And it was the best experience of my entire life. And I worked there in college as well. I interned in college. And then I was just posting TikTok simultaneously. And my boss at the time was like, if anything ever happens, I'll manage you. And then - Of course said that. Yeah. And now he's my manager. That's amazing. Yeah. It's a pretty cool story. Your growth is like so freaking wicked. Thank you. It is amazing, especially if, and I know in the US people know you, right? But in the UK, like you have such an amazing audience and it's kind of amazing because the growth the way you are has just been so fast.

21:06Like you were one minute posting video. No, it feels, no, I appreciate you saying that. Um, cause it has been fast and sometimes I, it takes a minute for me to be like, okay, like it has, like I can, I can breathe for a second. What was the first video that you posted that you were like, oh my God, this is like, it suddenly started to get traction. It was a video about how the US was going into a recession. I honestly wonder if it's still up. It's definitely up. But I basically was just like, I said something like I can't. Or like something, I was just like, I can't deal. That was it. And then that was like my first video that I was like, oh, this is like kind of viral.

21:46And then I kept posting stitches. I would do stitches. and then they just kept getting traction and traction and traction no a lot of it i would post like 17 times a day i had a nightmare about my old post the other day are you kidding me yes i would post like 17 times a day i used to do a series where i would try to get plastic straws and i would like if a place didn't give me a plastic straw i would go and i'd take a video of me not getting this straw and then i would take a video of me going to get this like like Like I would go into the coffee shop. They would be like, we don't have straws.

22:18I would get that. And then I would go into another restaurant and get a straw from that restaurant in order to drink my coffee. And that was like four videos. And then I would put, I used to do this thing where I would eat lunch. And I would post like lunch, I would lunch every day and I would post what I was eating for lunch. So you were never nervous about posting anything? No, but now I am because I take myself too seriously. What? Yes. Or else I'd post as much as I did. but now i'm like no now that now i need to so funny this is like i spoke to someone the other day right they're a comedian they're amazing and she said was it it was called katherine ryan you know katherine ryan she's a canadian comedian she's amazing anyway i chatted to her and she was like the first time i ever went to do my first comedy gig yeah she was driving with the tour manager and the tour manager said to her said by the way this is going to be the funnest time of your career this is the best part and she said why so because everything is exciting everything is unknown everything is here i've never been excited jake what i'm just anxious and i and that anxious anxiety manifests in like anger and i get angry and i get excited for like external things i get excited for like album releases stuff that doesn't have to do with me i get really excited for when it has to do with me i get anxious but sometimes i think i am excited and that manifests as anxiety and I just can't tell the difference.

23:39Really? Yeah, I actually know that that is the case. So Jake, you can't enjoy the success that you're having? Well, I'm just scared of it going away. So I'd like to make sure that everything is locked down. Buddy, you know it's not going to go away. Well, it could. Jake, are you fucking kidding me? It's going nowhere. Please. It's only going one way. I hope. I'm going to build you up right now. You're charming. You're fun. You're smart. You're funny as hell. You're super talented at what you do. 100%. You kidding me? 100 % you are. Like, I saw you do an interview the other day talking about how you want to be the next late night show host.

24:19That's what you want to do. Yeah. 100 % you'll do that. Because you're that talent that is refreshing and exciting. And coming even from the UK, this isn't from like a US person. This is a UK looking in. Man, you're crushing it. Thank you. And it's only going to keep going. I hope so. So you don't give affirmations in the mirror and tell yourself that you're doing well? No, because I'm scared if I say it's going well, it'll go poorly. Did you know when you were younger that you were going to be famous? No, but I always wanted to be. And what was the obsession with fame? Validation. Again, self-awareness.

24:53I love it. But we all feel it. I think everyone's self-aware. I think a lot of people just don't say it out loud. What happens is, in my experience, right, is when you're, like, wanting that validation, and then you become famous, you realize that doesn't quite fill the hole that you thought it was going to fill. It fills nothing. It fills nothing. Mm-hmm. So you felt that. Mm-hmm. When you were doing your theater show, did you not feel then that you were present and, like, enjoying it? I was. That was the best time of my entire life. But, and explain why. Everything was just, like, up for me at the moment, at that moment.

25:25Like, I felt cute. I was working out. I had a routine. And I was seeing this guy that I thought I was obsessed with. But I wasn't, and it's fine. But I was seeing this guy. I was on Broadway. And so you were in this moment. And do you think a part of it as well is because you were on stage and getting that validation as well? Yeah, of course. And it was eight times a week. And the cast was amazing. And I just felt special. I felt like the belle of the ball.

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26:59you you grew up with ocd didn't you how does your ocd manifest itself how does it come out uh it's like magical thinking so it's like if i do this then um i'll get canceled if i'll do this like something like you have to do this or you'll everything will go away your friends will leave you it takes like whatever i'm most anxious about and holds onto that and then uses that as a crutch as if I don't listen to it then that thing that I'm so scared of will happen really so like in high school it was like you won't get into USC when I worked um at a job it was you're gonna get fired and now it's like you're gonna get fired but in like uh you'll get fired like publicly via cancellation are you kidding me that and this always on thing always on always 24 7 I wake up and think about it I'm thinking about it right now There's never a moment where it doesn't go away?

27:47No. When I find something to hyperfixate on, that's when it goes away. How do you manage the OCD? I'm on meds and I'm in therapy. Therapy helps. Medication is really helpful. I'm on Luvox. They tried to put me on Wellbutrin and I tried Wellbutrin, but it made me so fucking manic. I've never been so manic in my entire life. And I knew it in the moment that I was so manic. Jake, how do you deal with negative comments? uh uh not well really now how do you deal with negative comments i ignore them i can't are you serious yes or else if no one cares then what's but people i need you to know this people care man you you're great you're you are thank you thank you i i appreciate it i appreciate it i just i feel like they i don't know do you obsess over them um i don't obsess over negative comments I obsess when something is out of my control Okay because you need to be in control Of the situation everything at all times So do you read the comments Do you go on Reddit do you go on different places I don't touch Reddit But did you used to I used to and now I don't touch Twitter My thing is like If I wasn't Who I was I would be reading Reddit I'd be interested About yourself and about other people right I think so yeah it's like a tabloid so wait if someone is listening right now and they're dealing with maybe that negative comment maybe it's from school or whatever what would you say to that person like come with someone who obsesses over it how do you stop that ugh you can't sucks I would say it sucks you're allowed to feel like it sucks it's not the whole world everything feels like so important in the moment and it's very hard to be like in 10 years I won't care but really really I was watching TikToks the other night I was super anxious about something.

29:45And someone made a TikTok and they were like, you know, like Hilary Duff says, come tomorrow, it'll be so yesterday. And sometimes it's as simple as that. It really, it really will be so yesterday. I think about stuff. I can't. You just use a Hilary Duff quote. I love that. Because her music stands the test of time. And really, come tomorrow, it will be so yesterday. Yeah, it will do. And also things are storming a teacup, right? What? Things are like what they say, it's a storm in a teacup. When something's happening in your world, you feel like it's a storm. But actually, in the grand scheme of things, it's only a small tiny teacup.

30:23Yeah, you live in a bubble. Yeah. You live in a bubble. You really do. And it's so crazy. Can I ask you then, because I heard you talk about it, is when you got some comments about hosting the Vanity Fair thing, you said that was really painful for you. It was really painful, but you want to know something weird that my team makes fun of me for? Yeah. When towards the end of the week, when the whole thing was dying down, I was acting more and more and more upset. And they were like, you're upset because you, the attention's gone now. And I was like, no. And they were like, yes. Like, I was more upset towards the end of the week when the attention was gone.

31:08Like the morning when it happened, I was like, I actually handled it quite well. But I was very hurt. There was one video that this person made that I was like, oh, I gotta delete TikTok for a minute. Wait, what did they say? They said, it was like, I don't even want to give them the time of day, but it was just like the nastiest read. Like the comments were like, oh, I love Jake, but like this was nasty. Are you serious? Yes, but it was because it was nasty and all my friends were like, oh, I saw that one. And I had to delete TikTok. but then once you delete it, it's gone. Once you delete it, it's gone.

31:42And what you said is so brilliant is that like, it's some people who are doing that are doing it because they're getting clicks and they're getting validation from it, right? Right. And so you've got to put that into your head. It's like they're doing it because they're getting their validation that they need. Yeah, but then it makes you want to hit them because it's like you're hurting my feelings at the expense of just getting attention for yourself. That's annoying. But you don't look at all the amazing comments that you do get. So the negative ones are tiny, Well, a lot of the time people don't comment amazing things.

32:11You're not like opening to comment, loved this. Like, you know, like you'll send it to your friend and be like, loved this. You know? Listen, from my side, I thought you were amazing. Thank you. Yeah, I truly did. And I think it's like the new age of presenting. That like isn't the look down the camera and you have to be shiny and all this. There's this sort of like scrappy way of doing it in like the best kind of way. And I think that's what people want. They do. It's real. It's real, right? Like when you talk about like your podcast, right? The way that you talk about it is that people don't want to have like a structured, here are the questions I'm going to answer.

32:46They want to hear a conversation between friends. Of course. And you then go on different places. I think a lot of the frustration and a lot of the criticism lies in the fact that I'm not like holding someone at gunpoint to do my podcast. It's a mutual agreement. And I think people are angry because they want the celebrities to be in like a Barbara Walters-esque environment. And like now that like they feel like the celebrity has the option of opting out of that, like they're angry about that. And it's like, well, then. And they blame it on the shows that are able to host the celebrity in a comfortable environment.

33:32Yeah, because that's where they feel safe, right? It's not my fucking fault. No, it's freaking not. It's not. But Jake, you get big guests. I do. It is crazy. I do. I'm pretty shameless about it, though. Like, in terms of, like, asking people. Jake, every single week I see you post, I'm like, fuck, he's done it again. Thank you. I feel just as cool and special when they agree to come on the show. Yeah, but it's bad. And also I hear that you just had Daisy Edgar Jones. Oh, I did. And she's the greatest. She's the greatest. She's the greatest. We were super gagged about Daisy. Still are. She's the best.

34:02By the way, nicest person ever. We talked about skins. Who's your dream guest? Taylor Swift or Jennifer Lawrence. And you think attainable? You can never think attainable. What do you mean? Because then your expectations get set and then something will happen along the way. You have to have your expectations to the floor at all times. What? Yes. You don't... At least I do. Okay, who's your worst guest? There you go. Well, I'll tell you, but we'll just cut it or bleep it. It was ****. They weren't nice. I didn't like them. They were mean. It's, by the way, and that is the only time I've ever had a bad experience.

34:41The only time I've ever had a bad experience. If they never came on and you asked me who's your worst guest, I wouldn't have an answer for you because everyone's been so lovely and so... Did you say to them you were a **** asshole? No. Yeah, I know. I just kind of like dealt with it. And then moved on. It's the most annoying thing. When I first started doing my show, I had a guest. Have you ever watched, we can bleep this, have you ever watched **** TV show? Okay. one of the main people from that and they were just not nice horrible really in what sense ah just rude um mean they like made fun of my candy company what i and when you say that you're dead to me yeah i mean they made fun of your candy company then i would just be like you can you can fucking leave you you're coming on my show yeah but then what i didn't because i'm such a people pleaser yeah is i didn't say anything and then afterwards they sent an email to our team and said, can you cut out all the bits that I was a C-U-N-T?

35:32That's all the email said. Oh, that's so British. Are they British? Yeah. Yeah, it's so British. But I'm annoyed I didn't say anything. Yeah. You know, because I felt like I had been, like, abused. I was like, why have I not said something? It's not nice. Well, now you know for next time. 100%. Do you ever get nervous before doing an episode? Every time. Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? Well, I'm just like, you only got one time with them. You can't really do it again. And I just get anxious. Who was the Who's the guest that you had You were most nervous for Probably Kylie Jenner I was really nervous for Kylie Jenner But that was Ended up being the best one Of all time Why?

36:08Why was it the best one? Because Because She is So funny Really? And so you just bounce Like bounce She was just making She was cracking me up Like she's just so She's such a star Like she's just She's her And I find it weird right Because you're the same as me Like I don't know if you're the same as me but I'm assuming the reason why I love doing this is because I love celebrities and I like admiring them. And so then when you meet someone like Kylie Jenner, you're like, I've loved you and now I'm interviewing you and you're great. That's like the best combination you can get.

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38:22what is your proudest moment of your career sifa apart from the broadway show um when my show was on netflix and i saw it on netflix for the first time that was really cool that was really really cool what happens when the email comes in it was a call and it was the night before thanksgiving and i was like a book the night before thanks yeah and my manager called me they presented the deal basically like obviously it was like knowing that i was going to say yes and um i said yes and that was like a very when i saw but the proudest moment was when i saw when you were when i looked it up on netflix and it was there like what did that make you feel like i was on broadway at the time wow so that combination yeah it's like everything's and i was i was seeing a boy I was on Broadway.

39:12I was on Netflix and I just bought my first Birkin. And I was really like waving that thing around New York. Every single day I would walk up to the theater, Birkin, and I would like, I like walk as if there was someone like a paparazzi taking my photo. So every, I would get out of the car like this with my Birkin. There was no one there ever. But I would walk. You would get out. No, I would, I would walk like, no, not covering my face because I want them to take my photo. I'd be like, like, I'd be like posing mid-walk. Maggie, the walk is from here to there. Hang on, Jake, hold on. Mickey's phoning me.

39:45Okay, stop. Shit. Hi, Mickey. Hi, Mickey. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Mickey, Mickey, I'm on my podcast at the moment in LA. Like, you're in feet red. Yeah? Okay. And I have a big, a huge fan of yours sitting opposite me. Oh, man, who is it? Okay, well, he can hear you because he's right here. Mickey, it's me. it's me Mickey

40:13Mickey how are you I'm gonna have look he has a question to ask you Mickey hold on here's Jake I'm gonna pass him over oh no I can't ask him because what is he gonna what is he gonna say no I really want a cameo in this season and I I know

40:31do you swear yes we're working on it actually I was gonna offer you a cameo but then Ben Platt ended up taking it. Actually, you know, I don't even want to hear it because I didn't even get the audition for that and I knew that there was an audition for that and I didn't even get the audition. You're too good looking. You're too young and good looking. Okay, thanks. You know what? That'll take. But I'll take anything, like an extra. I just want to visit set one day. One day. Oh, easily. Okay, fine. I'm working on it. Okay, I want to visit set. Okay, well, then we can make that happen. That's easy.

41:02Wait, wait. Mickey, I need to ask you a question. I want you to be in it, though. It's the last season, but Jamie's already been there. I know. My cameo was shit. Mickey, my cameo was shit. You know he's never seen, he didn't watch the last season. You were on camera talking, Jamie. It wasn't in the cameo. Mickey, it was like for a couple of seconds. What do you think it was going to be? I thought I was going to have like a monologue. Are you joking? I thought it was going to be like a monologue. See, this is why I love British people so much. Jamie Lane presents. Yeah. I think you've missed a trick by not casting where are you guys filming?

41:38Cardiff Cardiff where is that? it's in Wales oh I want to go to Wales so badly isn't that where they shot Game of Thrones? no that's Northern Ireland right okay let me hand you back to Jamie alright Mickey Jake Jake this is definitely the most persuasive you've been please please please Please, I'll be, please, please. I'm just asking, please. Mickey, and listen, if you write in Jake, then you have to write in me again. Jamie, I think we did you dirty, but write you in again. Mickey, I'll quit. To everyone, well, actually, no, I don't want to tell that back, but I'll quit my job after I do a cameo in industry.

42:22I'll be fine quitting. Good job. Good job. And I know that's right. and I know that's right Mickey if you need me to do a naked scene I'll do it okay wow okay wow I'll leave it there well that's Jake were you doing a naked scene yes yeah he was for industry yes but as long as it's like guys I want you both to be in the same scene alright well I okay well we can sidebar about this but I know what I would want my naked scene to be I didn't really know that many people with you no he has a whole it's a whole thing alright Mickey we love you we'll see you later I love these glasses I wish I had signature glasses By the way This is going to happen I really hope so Also I've got to mention your candy brand Yes well your candy brand Have you tried my candy brand Yes I have Of course They talk about you in all the meetings Your one Yeah it's fire huh It is fire It's good.

43:28No, no, Jake, I'm not kidding you. Okay, I haven't told you this, by the way. You may not know this. So with the candy, at the very beginning of it, I said they should work with you. So it was me. So you're to thank. I swear to God, you can ask questions. I said, Bastion said to me, who's the star in America? I swear to God, who's the star in America that you think is going to keep going and going and going and that we should work with? This is the nicest thing you've said to me all day. And I said, you should work with Jake Shane. Oh my God, that is so nice. Thank you. I swear to God. And then look at the success because it's sold out in Target.

44:07But it's good. It's really good. I love Katches. It's very good. Well, because my agent was, they were trying to get me to, I was meeting with someone, they were trying to get me to start a brand. Yeah. And towards the tail end of the meeting, they were like, this German candy brand Katches is looking for a US partner. And I was like, well, I'll do that. I love Katches. And I do. Like, wait, I couldn't get them. It was like a thing. It was like my house was obsessed with this German candy that my roommate Brett brought home one day three years ago. And it's the best candy. It's the best candy.

44:33And your candy, like, we just tried to go to Target the other day to get it. Was it sold out? It is sold out. Good. No, but Jake, you have to understand this. Like, the growth of your brand in the U.S. is crazy. That does not happen. Because the product is so good. Yes, but also you're attached to it. Come on, give yourself some, like, you're attached to it. The marketing is amazing. It tastes amazing. Like, it's like, and I rarely say this, it could be one of my favorite candy out there. I just want it to be an American staple, and I want people to not, I want it to be so good. Like, I don't know who makes Sour Patch Kids, and I want that to be the case with this.

45:11Like, I don't want people to, one day I want it to be so successful that people will be like, oh, I didn't even know. Like, did you know that Ashton Kutcher invested in Uber in the early stages? Uh-huh. But why is that relevant? Because Uber did so well This is your Uber? This is my Uber This is my, I'm dead ass, this is my Uber Can I, can I Jake, what is your Everest? Like, what is your, what is your, like, thing that you wanted Like, if you were to die, God forbid Next year, two years, three years, whatever it is What would you want to achieve before that happened?

45:52I'd probably want to do Broadway again I'd probably want to be in a movie no I think I'd want to be in a movie or a TV show or be on Broadway again really yeah and then have it be well received have people be like good job you did a good job you were great I want like critical praise one time before I die that's what I want I want an article like talking about how amazing I am that's it? that's what I would love yeah like a like a five star review from the Guardian or something I think that's gonna happen I hope so I know it's gonna happen I hope so I can feel it's gonna happen I hope so and I would frame it and read it can I say Jay buddy you're great really?

46:44thank you yeah okay I'm gonna say thank you thank you I appreciate it yeah you're great and you're like a breath of fresh air when it comes to interviewing someone. Really? Yeah, 100%. That's one of the best compliments I've ever gotten. Yeah, because you're random in the best way. Yeah. I'll be honest with you, right? I'm trying to find a lane to go down, right? Right. And that can be, I don't know, about work or business or relationships or life or whatever it is. But with you, it's like a bouncy ball. You can just go here to here to here to here. I love that. And so as someone to chat with, You would be the greatest person To sit next to at a dinner party Yeah we would talk a lot of shit We would talk a lot of shit A lot of shit And I can't wait to do it We should Jake man listen you're the greatest Thank you so much for coming on We'd like to finish the episode With eight quick fire questions I would love rapid fire Here we go What's a saying or phrase That makes you smile or cheers you up Anything British Best compliment anyone's ever given you One was today when you said I was like very refreshing to interview you so refreshing that was a nice compliment um anytime someone tells me i've lost weight that ass serious yeah it's great yeah it's the best compliment ever when someone says because you look really skinny you look are you okay you have lost half of you thank god like you have lost half of you you look so fucking skinny great oh my like it's crack what scares you most about yourself um my ability to handle crisis i can imagine that yeah Yeah, yeah.

48:17I'm sure. Zombie apocalypse, what are you doing? That's not the crisis I'm thinking of. Okay. Because that's not crisis to me. That's just like the inevitable. Like in a real way. Like when I'm on a plane and everyone's like, aren't you scared of it going down? Like that's the inevitable. Like it can always go down. But I'm talking like crisis, like career wise, like life wise. When was the last time you cried? When my roommate Brett moved out. Yeah, I was really sad. Yeah. Why did she move out? She has a boyfriend. And they're going to get married probably. screw that guy no he's awesome i want him i want like a version of him really yeah he's great is he british no he's american where from in america minnesota is that good yeah it's like midwestern family vibes okay what's something you can't let go of my phone yeah money what is your screen time like 12 hours a day get out of here jake or eight it's eight yeah it's it's it's eight that feels quite that feels like a lot yeah i wake up and check my phone i wake up every every i go to bed every single night i'm like i'm so excited to go to bed right now because i can't wait to wake up and see what notifications i get yeah and i've been that way ever since i was a kid yeah that dopamine hit yeah just immediate it's like a cigarette do you ever do you ever try vaping i do vape do you have vape in the middle of the night when you wake up no that feels a little nasty okay that feels a little nasty what's your guilty pleasure weed oh yeah okay what's your biggest turn off oh my god I'm like I don't know like when a man like gets too drunk in like a not cute way like what do you mean just like loses control is like sensitive and awkward I don't know but I do that so yeah I do that as well yeah alcohol hits me like that boom biggest turn on somebody with really good music taste nice maybe that they can tell me some stuff that I don't know about And your knowledge is good?

50:14I would say it's pretty good. It's not great, but it's pretty good. Love that. And what do you like most about yourself? My ambition. Jay Shane, you're the greatest, man. I freaking love you. Thank you so much for coming. Oh, I love you too. This was so fun. You're unbelievable. Oh, thank you. Jay, you're the best. Oh, thanks. Did you have fun? Did everyone have fun? You're the greatest.

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