


16 Jun 2025 · 19m · 12 chapters

This episode mixes a sponsor segment on treating excessive fatigue with a personal relationship/Q&A chat. Topic: Modafinil-based treatment for mid-day crashes—coffee only briefly blocks adenosine, then users “flood” and crash; Modafinil stimulates multiple wakefulness receptors (dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, histamine, glutamate, orexin) for 10–12 hours steady focus.
The hosts are Louise and Ryan (a couple).
quality time is created by shared sports (tennis; even playful “hitting a ball” in the kitchen); burnout prevention includes morning routine, visualization/qigong-like practices, exercise, and motorbike/cycling therapy.
tennis together, ice bath, “green/blue bubble” healing force-field visualization, and a humorous “be more like this guy” motorbike crash video.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes.
Hosts share their struggles to find quality time together amidst busy schedules.
“Mod.com is changing the way people battle excessive fatigue.”
Hosts share their struggles to find quality time together amidst busy schedules.
Discussion on how playing sports together helped reconnect them.
“Basically, my live coach, I think maybe I did mention this before, but she said that she has a...”
Exploration of personal growth and mutual support within their relationship.
Hosts discuss techniques they use to avoid burnout, including exercise and routines.
Discussion on various hobbies and therapeutic practices that help them relax.
Discussion on various hobbies and therapeutic practices that help them relax.
“Mod.com is changing the way people battle excessive fatigue.”
Hosts share their favorite books and discuss their reading preferences.
Discover the hosts' favorite books and why they recommend them.
“because i know that i need that kind of fodder for the old brain well why don't you just list out five books you can see on that bookshelf that then you that you would recommend in our list five A four-hour work week.”
The hosts discuss personal changes they'd make about themselves and each other.
“Is that what you'd want to change about yourself?”
A lighthearted conversation about grooming habits and attitudes toward yard work.
“I'd be freaked out if anything was too tidy on your body, full stop, anywhere.”
The hosts share funny experiences and a viral video that highlights resilience.
“I'll tell you, no girl has ever been like, oh, he had a massive bush.”

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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.
0:00Mod.com is changing the way people battle excessive fatigue. Ever hit a wall in the middle of the day and a third coffee just doesn't do it anymore? Here's what's actually happening. Coffee only briefly blocks adenosine, the chemical that tires you out. When it stops working, your system is flooded and you crash. Modafinil is a prescription treatment that works in a completely different way. Modafino works by stimulating multiple receptors in the brain associated with wakefulness, including dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, histamine, glutamate, and orexin. It's a more complete solution that gives you 10 to 12 hours of steady focus and energy.
0:43To learn more, go to mod.com. Fill out your intake form, meet with a licensed provider, and if approved, ModAlert ships straight to your door. Go to mod.com to get started. that's mod.com
1:04all right welcome back my dudes
1:10ask me anything louise sorry is that actually your intro yeah shooting from the hip today baby okay risy what do the people want to know how do we fit in quality time with each other well we do a podcast together well that is true so we get a little nugget of time together on a wednesday i would say we haven't perfected this because we're both bloody busy and uh ambitious people and by the time sorry you say that is cracking me up well what i mean is we work pretty unconventional hours we've got a little man who is enrolled in every camp around jiu-jitsu swimming tennis and everything else so a lot of our free time is is dedicated to him in the evenings i very much hit a wall and power down that's true you very much like gear up for like quality time and i'm probably not there for it yeah that's true and i think we the honest answer is we probably haven't perfected it yet so and the mornings you're up early but training and you quite like that to be an independent thing so there's not a huge chunk of time for each other but we have no we never have an afternoon romp well don't we why is it Why are you being such a creeper on the podcast?
2:21Basically, my live coach, I think maybe I did mention this before, but she said that she has a... Is this like a wee moment again? No, but she said that she has clients, she did say clients, plural, that have to basically go out into a forest to be able to find some time and space for a romp. Oh. Yeah, because of kids. That just sounds like a fetish, like a wild shack. Because of kids and stuff. no no i think it's just that there's no practical place for it to take place at home anyway we're digressing how do we make time we did actually do something unusual this weekend it's not that unusual we played tennis together oh well so we're breaking the habit we're breaking into a new habit that's the key to our success playing sports together yeah because you find it hilarious i do find it hilarious you're actually i'll tell you what you've been laughing a lot over this last seven to ten days and i'm really enjoying it why is that why are you so giggly and happy at the moment because i'm really enjoying it i don't know i don't know i don't know are you taking pills no what is the secret because there's a lot of smiles i don't know well dig a little deep and I don't know I've you're just in a good spot yeah she's in a good spot but you're enjoying my company a lot more than usual maybe this is as a result of just playing tennis with you because I'm starting to like and even things like that where you're like she just she was like she was so into what I'm about to say she was like let me get settled let me get like the HD little jiggle of the specs see I'm starting to notice those things whereas before it's just like okay so actually so okay let's be really honest for a second so for three and a half years no not years no but you've like not actually found me that enjoyable to be around and suddenly you're noticing me like me adjusting my spectacles and you actually quite like me in it again actually i'll tell you the honest answer you ready yeah i'm in a better spot because you are and i mirror what you give me you've been doing well you've been like yogurting training you've even done a little bit of an ice bath the other day which i thought was pretty jokes we've played tennis you've got little cute tennis skirts and oh right well no no no i know so it's like almost like it's it's almost like it's the old louise again and i'm like oh this is great oh that's nice so i think that is actually the honest answer like i just reflect the environment i'm in I guess with you even though I am a thermostat yeah but I was going to say because that's problematic not a thermometer what you need to do as a couple is you need to be able to pull the other person out of the trick so like if someone's bad you can't just mirror their mood you've got to be like okay it's my turn to be the happy one I can do it with everyone else in the world but it's difficult with you but that's the way it is well at least you're being honest so yeah okay so how do you find quality time you've got to yeah we'll just sum up we've got to create just got to find an hour on the weekend together i think the the key for us is playing sports together and that by the way can be hitting a ball to each other in the kitchen do you remember when we did that yeah that was like the start of like our like oh my god we've just had the best conversation in years yeah and then all of a sudden we do a podcast not that difficult is it really you get back to a place where you feel connected and for us when we started dating it was very much linked with sports and having a good time and gym aerobic thrown around in the air and all that sort of stuff gosh yeah we do you know what's funny we actually yeah we coined it we were the pioneers of that that rodeo do it and i remember feeling really embarrassed and bashful about posting us doing acro yoga because we used to do it down in our local fitness club and because i thought it was cringe and everyone was like oh my god what are they doing that's really embarrassing and now everybody does that kind of stuff and people even do recreations of that kind of stuff like three times over and then they do failures of that kind of stuff stick to your guns should have played the game next question you both have such strong work ethics but what three proactive steps do you take to make sure you don't burn out good question okay so so my option number one restart a series restart housewives again
6:53the truth is you do burn out you just blast yourself until you do burn out so that is the truth no i think i was even feeling a bit burnt out this morning and i went okay you know what i need to do normally i do a 10 minute yoga in the morning but i knew this morning i needed to do half an hour to have some time to myself and to let my thoughts flow and at the end i even started really doing a lot of visualization practices which someone actually reminded me about when sam was doing his challenge a while ago and i wanted to send him some healing energy i started then visualizing these i was like doing these movements like moving my arms upwards a little bit like a qigong actually like qigong yeah it's i haven't done it in ages so i can't even really remember what what the crux of the practice is but sort of you're moving chi around your body do you remember when i used to all the time i started doing it when i was in hospital and you do a lot of movements and you're just moving whatever chi is around your body how have i even got onto this i was thinking about sam steps you take to avoid burnout i've started doing some visualizations where i imagine like healing light around me and i create these like green or blue bubbles around me which are force fields that protect me from negative energy and then if i'm feeling nice because i like giving giving is the thing that probably makes me feel the best out of anything i've ever done which i think everyone will be able to relate to um it's quite nice to imagine like sending someone a little parcel of good energy so like visualize sending someone like a little present if i know that you've had what's carrying the parcel of joy in that moment by the way is it like a bird like a stalk or how's it getting there no it's just light like it's almost like i'm like going and i actually even do that i'll be like is it coming from your hand like i'm a witch like yeah it's like an orb and then it's landing on whatever part of you i think needs a bit of healing so that was your three that was your two things was that's kind of just one thing just okay how do i avoid burnout uh i get a lot of happiness from my morning routine if you want to call it that just my morning time to myself i also get a lot of joy from riding motorbikes and cycling something about two wheels but motorbike in particular is that because you have to balance i don't know i think it's because it's so exposed and so dangerous there's something very thrilling about it but also very relaxing how can something be thrilling and relaxing at the same time well let me ask you this when you ride a horse does it feel amazing it used to yeah so i think being on a motorbike is as close as you can get to that because you're sat on this machine this beast you're not really strapped in there's nothing really but you're just you're cutting through the air just a body interesting that in a car like everyone is required to wear a seat belt but yet you can just fly around on a motorbike something very liberating and just very relaxing about being on a motorbike cutting through the air and your mind just empties a bit like skiing yeah but i i think i think actually i can i can feel that the horse riding thing is probably something like that as well so motorbike therapy yeah is a thing yeah and that helps you avoid burnout well i don't do it with i don't really do it the huge amount of intent like i don't i don't feel stressed and upset and think i'm going to go for a ride but every time i get on the bike i get off it feeling so much better so exercise morning routine and riding my bike and my three things that i really oh yeah exercise you're given to you oh yeah
10:39Mod.com is changing the way people battle excessive fatigue. Ever hit a wall in the middle of the day, and a third coffee just doesn't do it anymore? Here's what's actually happening. Coffee only briefly blocks adenosine, the chemical that tires you out. When it stops working, your system is flooded, and you crash. Modafinil is a prescription treatment that works in a completely different way. Modafino works by stimulating multiple receptors in the brain associated with wakefulness, including dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, histamine, glutamate, and orexin. It's a more complete solution that gives you 10 to 12 hours of steady focus and energy.
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12:59next question what kind of books do we both like reading i like self uh development books we're both like a bit of non-fiction don't we non-fiction yeah yeah we've actually we're right next to our bookshelf so we can have a look there's really good book called lucky ryan you haven't read it yet actually you might be able to learn a few things i'm kidding um yeah i like non-fiction i like to read things um that you can apply to you yes yeah i'm the same even with the stuff on that i watch on tv like i like things to be able to i like to consume things where there's a takeaway you know like i don't understand how although you movies wise you love like sci-fi and sort of really far-fetched stuff and crazy action so does that not then apply to what you read do you not like no transporting yourself to another realm no i'll tell you for why i think i sit down on the sofa and put a movie on because i want to be entertained and just bamboozled by just great stuff if i pick up a book i'm i'm really looking to learn something because i know that i need that kind of fodder for the old brain well why don't you just list out five books you can see on that bookshelf that then you that you would recommend in our list five A four-hour work week.
14:15Tim Ferriss. Atomic Habits by James Clear. 5am Club? My favourite book that I thought was really good was The Body by Bill Bryson. That's a fat book like this, isn't it? Yeah, it's really, really good because you're a full-on summary of The Bod and lots about the history of the body. See, I never read that. I actually bought that book and you swiped it. It was really good. I've never taken it on. I feel like it's the kind of book that if you ever go on to Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, that would be a good starting point. One of our favourite shows, naturally. I know. We've started watching it every evening.
14:46That is how we spend time together, answering who wants to be a millionaire questions. Is there anything you'd like to change about yourself or each other? My hairline. Is that what you'd want to change about yourself? Yeah, it is. Well, okay, if you could change anything about yourself, it's your hairline. It's not that deep. So yours would be your hairline? You think that's the worst thing about you? well again it's not that deep i don't think it's the worst thing or the best thing but would i change it yeah i probably would change it okay what about you what would you change about me
15:26be honest how honest can i be how honest yeah you're just 100 honest i don't love hair extensions Oh, okay. Hmm. I know. I don't love them either. I sort of often think like, is it really worth those things stuck to you?
15:46That's such a good point. You didn't even make a point, but I'm so in agreement. Is it worth it to have those things stuck to your head? It's quite a hideous concept, isn't it? I'm not sure I'm here for it. Yeah, I remember hearing like tales of men sleeping with women in their 20s and waking up with like rat's tails on the bedside table from hair extensions being taken out and stuff something about it is a little odd if i could try taking them out it's just my hair's been so bad post all of the illnesses and the steroids and like every single medication pretty much that i've taken is one of the side effects is that it causes hair loss yeah yeah oh i understand that so the the the alternative is that i have them taken out and i will literally have to wear my hair in a put in like a bun like a tiny teeny tiny bun because i'd be actually be up for it you know the other day i was thinking about i just would love as part of this whole only wanting to wear loose t-shirts and i don't want to see you no underwear and that kind of stuff you're not in this club i feel like i just want to take the hair extensions out and shave my head how do you feel about that that's it's gone that's gone into the fast lane okay there's the alternative either hair extensions in or shaved head is there anything you want to change about me i guess because you i feel like you want me to ask you that question don't you well you're not you don't know whether you can handle my response no not really because you're too direct i'm not right see there's really nothing nothing that i would want to change about you except for hmm well there must be an ick about you oh it's it's literally just you removing your body hair in our bathroom all over the floor it's just a it's more it's less i guess that combines the physical and the you did walk in on me doing my yard work the other day which was literally two days ago it was also the middle of the day like you just go quick like break from work and then just snuck upstairs i was like what are you doing this for now i don't like to do things ordinarily oh my god i like to keep things like light and fresh what do you mean well you know some people do most people do on a sunday it's like oh grooming day i'm gonna wear face mask and i'm gonna shave my legs i'll just do it on a random tuesday okay lunch break on a tuesday so that would be just an annoying thing and then what would i want to change about myself How important is yard work for a female?
18:19On that note. That's a question. Okay. I literally could not care less. I'd be freaked out if anything was too tidy on your body, full stop, anywhere. Hold on. Hold on. Hair, face, chest, pubes, legs. So you're saying if I had a tangly, mighty boosh, you'd be like, sweet, let's roll with that. I've literally never, ever even like, I'd be more worried if the pubes were everywhere else lying around the house and not on your body than if they were on your body. Mate, there's nothing better than a smooth ball sack. What, like for you? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, all right. What? Okay. But now that I know that you're into the mighty bush.
19:01I didn't say I'm into the mighty bush. Give me a few months. I just don't know. I've never noticed. I'll tell you, no girl has ever been like, oh, he had a massive bush. like not once ever has anyone met but they would have said oh it was a bit creepy like he shaved his armpits or like he shaved his legs or something that's the kind of thing that girls would pick up more on than having hairy bods you bought me some Dr. Balls moisturizer which is post shave stuff I was really limited on ideas for what to shove in your stocking no but I thought that was like a hint being like go shave your balls and moisturize what moisturize?
19:41wait I actually bought you ball moisturizer It's called, what? It's called Dr. Balls. I've got it in. I think I threw it away. I had a big hair out of your stuff again. Along with my pickled shallots. Yeah. I did. I just, I can't deal with all of your annoying stuff. You bought it for me. I think it was an emergency present. It's like when I like zapped something for your birthday, like zap delivery, like some bubbles and like a disposable camera. and I'm like, here's a nice little hamper package with some ball lotion on. Okay, what am I changing about myself? Probably my inability to hide my emotions.
20:19I'd quite like to be better at hiding them. I mean, if you're going to go deep on this, I'd probably change your over-analysis on stuff. Okay. That gif I sent you on Instagram of that dude you started out the car crash. Be more like that guy. Do you remember that video? Yeah, Ryan sent me a video. We need to share that video. Well, Ryan just sent a video of this guy that walks onto a road. No, no, no, no. He's hit by a car and literally rolls him in the bonnet and then slides down the front like he's made out of jelly and then just like bounces off and walks away and like carries on with his day.
20:51I'm like, dude, that's not even human. Your response was... That's called being like on crack. No, no, you loved the video because you were like, I'm hysterical. I loved this on the thing. Yeah, it was a good video. It's a great... I know how to share it with you. We don't have to insert it. Okay, so I will never be like that. But you know how annoying those people are as well. No, I think it's amazing. The guy wasn't walking, by the way. He was on a motorbike, gets clobbered, ends up on the roof and slides down the windscreen, just walks off. And the caption is like, be more like this guy. The thing, the difference, men and women are just literally.
21:29Don't make it harder than it needs to be. Fair enough. See you next week. oh that's how we're gonna end it because we're gonna keep it so casual thanks guys for that little episode uh we'll be back on wednesday for the full length episode please like subscribe hit your notifications don't miss any of this good stuff see ya
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