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7 Jul 2025 · 19m · 9 chapters

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Husband and wife swap?!

In short

The couple answers “nosy” Q&A prompts: bucket-list fantasies (shark cage diving, Chanel/Skims-style brand work, Glastonbury, vintage red Porsche, Northern Lights in the Arctic), confidence and stopping care about others’ opinions, hairdo tips (including hair extensions and a hair-transplant discussion), and a “swap each other for a celebrity for a day” game.

Key claims

confidence improves resilience; negativity from others reflects inner turmoil (they cite The Chimp Paradox and Dean, a mindset coach); keeping your “lake” clear helps avoid overthinking.

Notable examples

Finland glass igloo trip with a Northern Lights photo filter; uni-era Twitter backlash (“team Lucy”); double buns/top-knot hair; hair transplant sourcing hair from sides/back and sometimes other body areas.

Guests

None—hosts are Ryan and Louise (no external guests).

Written by AI. May contain mistakes.

Chapters

0:45

Bucket List Items Revealed

The hosts discuss their individual bucket list items and what they would like to do.

“What's something that's on both of your bucket lists?”
1:15

Cage Diving and More Adventures

The conversation continues with discussions about cage diving, fears, and underwater exploration.

“I was thinking like more like I'd love to cage dive with sharks in South Africa.”
3:18

Glastonbury and Vintage Cars

They share thoughts on music festivals like Glastonbury and dream cars, including a vintage Porsche.

“I would quite like to create a stoma collection with skims.”
5:35

Fashion Goals and Celebrity Dreams

Discussion about creating a fashion line and collaborating with celebrities like Kim Kardashian.

“And I remember being disappointed that we didn't see the Northern Lights, but I did.”
7:58

Travel Aspirations and Nature

Plans to see the Northern Lights and experience the Arctic wilderness.

“Yet your doctor says everything looks fine.”
8:21

Confidence and Public Perception

Exploration of confidence, caring about others' opinions, and personal growth experiences.

14:00

Hair Talk and Personal Styles

Explore the hosts' experiences and opinions on hair and personal style.

“Did you see my hair yesterday and the day before?”
17:48

Hypothetical Celebrity Swaps

The hosts discuss who they would swap lives with for a day and their thoughts on the idea.

“page okay one last question i might have thrown this one in myself if you could swap each other for someone else, who would it be?”
19:15

Dream Lives and Fame

A light-hearted discussion on the chaos of living as famous personalities.

“I'd like to just walk around as the best footballer in the world.”
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0:32Louise: Hello, welcome to He Said, She Said, Ask Us Anything. This is Monday's episode where you guys get to be a little bit nosy ahead of our longer episodes on Wednesdays. Are you excited, Ryan? I am excited, yes. What have you got for me this week? Good question. Okay, this is a great question. What's something that's on both of your bucket lists? Do we have to be aligned on that? Not really, no. You can tell me. Do you have a bucket list? I assume you do. I've got a goals list. Goals list? I'm now worried that I'm going to just kind of lean into the work only stuff. No, don't do that. Let's make this like, I would love to do this or that.

1:06Louise: Okay. I would really like to be the beauty brand ambassador for Chanel. Wait, that's a goal. That's a goal. That's a bucket lister. Is it? I was thinking like more like I'd love to cage dive with sharks in South Africa. Would you actually want to do that? Yeah. Would you do that? Yeah. Have you lost your mind? Okay. so you actually want to do some, we want to head to Cape Town and do the great white shark diving in a cage. That was a long way of saying cage diving in South Africa. Yeah. I'd love to do that. That's the thing about me. I like to really flesh things out. When I used to write. Would you want to go down in the cage on your own or with other people?

1:42Louise: No, with you. Oh, I'm not fucking joining you in that. You'd be like cannon fodder in that cage for them. I'd fit through the flipping bars. Oh, well, fuck me, yeah. No. Also, sorry. There's so many reasons why that would be a terrible idea for me. Do you know what? I'm just fascinated. I'm just fascinated by this whole, like, there is a whole new, not new, there is a whole world and different dimension underneath that water. So to go into a cage and view it, I just think would be, I wouldn't even have the words to describe it, I don't think. And that, for me, is a bucket list thing. You started watching that show last week, which was like the Titan, that submarine that went down to try and find the Titanic that sunk.

2:24Louise: That is my worst nightmare, submarines. Actually, to answer your question. I would not go on a submarine even five metres under the water. No, I agree. For a million pounds. Okay, so I'm scared of, I am scared of, I'm scared of deep ocean. Okay, but you still want to do the shot. Yeah, but you don't go deep. Do you believe that there is a giant squid at the bottom of the ocean? Hell yeah, I do. Many of them. And a megalodon. Megalodon, yeah. Wait, you know what a Megalodon is? Yeah, we spoke about this, didn't we, in our Maldives trip. Do you remember? That lives long in my memory, that does that trip.

2:57Louise: Well, we, hang on, that was like our first ever proper holiday together. And we were talking about what would win, a Megalodon or a giant squid. No, but weren't we like... Versus having sex on some beach swing in the Maldives. That's a bit embarrassing, isn't it? At least set the tone for the rest of the relationship. No, but at that dinner, I remember we were doing like, was it Sporkle and games like that and you were giving me oh my god you're giving away all of our secrets oh but that was quite fun we have basically my mum and I go away we have Sporkle Up which is a quiz platform or we do riddles or I just sit and do Sudoku so your bucket list is shark diving I would like to be the beauty brand of Master Fish and Ale I would also love to do Glastonbury and I'm really gutted that I missed it this year I was invited to go with Google but we had this joint 90th which sounds really unglamorous something about glastonbury doesn't call me which is strange because i love live music passionately i just can't that amount of people just doesn't call me for some people it's like the best thing in the world well like big do you not are you not very good in big crowds no so yeah we missed the boat on that which is a bit gutting so i have to wait till 2027 to tick that one off that's fine who knows where we'll be at that point another bucket lister is i would really like i've always wanted this at some point in my life i sound like such a brat already in this episode a convertible vintage red porsche oh mate i actually no i'm not going to tell you but let me just tell you this i'm working on something on that what what do you mean you just said i'm not going to tell you actually let me just tell you something i'm working on no because because i don't know you're you always get you always get surprises out of me which is just bloody annoying to be frank i'm gonna keep this one locked up but i'm working on making that a reality for you well now i know what the surprise is no because you don't know when or where or how or what car or if it's for keeps or what well i'm just working on something i'm living at large okay sweet another thing i just thought i'd drop in if anyone happens to know Kimmy K.

5:05Louise: Kim Kardashian? I would quite like to create a stoma collection with skims. Or another shapewear brand. That's pretty cool. Actually that's pretty cool. Wouldn't that be cool? I still think you're steering towards work goals but this is fine. Can I give you another bucket list from my list? I would like to go I don't know if it's Antarctica or Arctic. I don't know which one I want to go to but I want to see the Northern Lights and I want to be on like a some sort of skidoo or something that's just like proper arctic mode and I want to see polar bears and killer whales and stuff like that I don't know why that's making me laugh, can you see actually I guess there are places where you can see polar bears and then the killer whales also hang out in a similar climate are you just shooting into David Attenborough?

5:58Louise: I've got a signed book from David Attenborough there you go okay well let's try and plan a kind of a once in a lifetime trip then you took me to finland one time that was amazing but we just didn't see the northern lights we did pretend that we saw them i added a filter to a sky did you in a picture that added in these green lights do you not remember yeah i we went we went to finland to why was it wasn't it lapland no finland oh ravenjemi reikovic no that's iceland we went to ravenjemi home of santa claus sorry it sounds much less glamorous than rick of it rick of it and it was stunning and we were we lodged in one of those glass igloos igloos well no sorry no it was a cabin yeah yeah with an amazing view i was telling i was telling back in like peak influencer mode where we took loads of photos and like cream fluffy snow boots and other snazzy outfits no i loved it take me back to that time.

7:01Louise: With like big furry hats on. And I remember being disappointed that we didn't see the Northern Lights, but I did. I could probably find the photo. That would be so funny with these green flashes strobing through the sky, green and purple. But yeah, let's go and hunt out the real deal.

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9:20when did I stop?

9:21Louise: well how and when did you stop caring about other people's opinions of you it's hard though well i think the truth is that i probably i don't think we ever really moved past that feeling of what people think but it's definitely got less of a hold of me now and i think probably turned the corner when i was maybe 30 so in the last four years i started to let go of the impact that had on me but I don't know how that happened there would have something would have happened well it was very hard when we were on a public reality tv show because we were constantly being fed other people's opinions of us and it was quite savage actually I remember when I was at uni and the show would play on a Monday and I would be on Twitter in the library the next day and loads of people you know would be talking about my appearance and my personality and hashtags would be trending team Lucy I think I'd just been cheated on at that point and everybody was basically talking about how ugly I was I don't think I've actually done anything wrong here but thank you for the grilling I think I know when it might have been I think it might have been when I met Dean who used to be our mindset management coach yes and before I really no it must have been either before or after I met Dean I read the book The Chimp Paradox and I really learnt about how the emotional side of the brain works and I think when I really processed that I started to realise that people who are venting negativity, frustration and all that shit and being judgmental, it's really just a reflection of what's inside them rather than just tearing people to or at least you perceiving it as oh they're just judging me, it's more just a reflection of how unsettled they are inside yeah and i remember having conversations with dean about it in more depth which then spiraled into like you know the the beautiful parts of showing truths and vulnerabilities when i started to understand all that i started to let go of people's opinions because i was like oh if i'm if i'm thinking something negative i'm either wrong or if i'm receiving something negative it's likely coming from a place that's unrelated to me yeah if that makes sense yeah fully it's a difficult one though yeah i think it's still in past i have moments yeah i mean i remember at the beginning of this week even i was posting i was messaging the girls before i put up this beauty video on monday having a total panic like 20 minutes before i needed to put it up sent them the video again and said guys i think i look really ugly here i don't know what kind of reassurance I was seeking from them but I guess a lot of that narrative stemmed from this fear that people were going to judge me when I did post that video so that I guess shows that I care what other people think and it can take just like a rough week to spin you back into that mindset or a week where you're perhaps like comparing yourself to other people other people's work yeah and you feel a little like lost and leaning into what you said about finding beauty and authenticity i suppose when you're crowded with what everybody else is doing sometimes it could be very hard to feel confident yeah yeah so when i do have the moments where i feel confident and then i then i just really don't care and i think for me finding purpose in the things that i do means that i'm like more resilient so if i know that i've got interesting things to talk about whether it's with the work that I'm doing or the conversations I'm having with friends or family then that gives me confidence yeah and then I I don't really mind what people have to say about me but if I feel like I'm overwhelmed then I can slip into old habits of caring too much which kind of links to what I was saying it's a reflection of what's going on inside you yeah I view it as like a lake inside you and if the waters are running murky it's like there's so much stuff going on there's stressful things happening and when when the waters run murky you get to that's when you start to feel vulnerable and exposed and you start to overanalyze and second guess and that's when you start to think oh bloody is this is this video going to get me some negative comments and I go through this all the time but then when you're when your waters run clear and you feel confident and well informed and you feel like you're on top you're like I don't really care what people think so I think the key is to somehow keep your lake nice and clear anyway let's move on to the next question I feel almost embarrassed to read this one out because it's about me Louise you're one of my style icons do you have any tips on achieving your beautifully executed hairdos it's not looking so executed today is it well executed there is an execution it's not good i hair's never really been my strong suit to be honest big makeup girly lazy hair gal and i'm very lucky because one of the girls that i employ called holly she actually used to be a hairdresser did she yeah i never knew that when we went through the interview process i didn't know i thought she was just pretty like she's pretty handy you know She's really good at hair.

14:40Louise: Good, yeah. Did you see my hair yesterday and the day before? The double. I had like these double buns. Super cool. Yeah, no, it was like a top knot and then one sat underneath. Yeah, pretty cool. I felt like I had a satellite dish in my head. But yeah, I think the key is everyone's got their own style, don't they? I like having my hair scraped back off my face because otherwise I play with it. I've also got quite big cheeks. and sometimes when I look back and I used to have these tart strands when I'd film Made in Chelsea, I thought they'd look really cute, like little 90s bits framing my face.

15:16Louise: They just made me look like a hamster, like big hamster cheeks. So for me, it was all off the face was better. You often comment about my hair, don't you? You like the Lego last. You actually like the tart strands. Well, no, I like the ponytail, but I do like the, I've always liked the top band thing. I know. The problem is, I think I've, have I admitted that I've got hair extensions? We spoke about how you don't like hair extensions. Admitted to me or to the world? I think you know that I've got them. Oh, I do know. It's quite hard to have a casual top nut, top nut, top nut bun when you've got studies.

15:56Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't you just do away with them and just have whatever's left in the bun?

16:01Louise: We've already discussed it. Do you know what would be left in the bun? Not much. the bun would be the size of a why am i just thinking a cherry off the top of my head like a small it's the tiniest bun you've ever seen but then i could clip on like a big fake bun like a barbie one day i do want to do a hair growth journey come get a hair transplant with me mate should i do that we'll both book in what would that look like so they were just terrible but the problem is is i don't have like a receding patch it's just overall hair is pre-pants. Oh, right, okay. So where would they take the hair off?

16:39Louise: Could they take hair off like your pubic region? Well, do you know what? In some cases they do, yeah. How do you know that? Because he told me in the consultation. But wait, and the guy in your consultation said you can take a patch from your pubes and put it on your head. Well, I didn't really say the word pubes, but he was like, in most cases, and if I do do it, they'll take it from the sides and back because that's like a forest back there. Yeah. and then they just reinsert it into the hairline but then not everyone has a lot of hair back there so they take it from chest or other places and some people have like facial like reconstruction like um like beard i don't know transplants and that's not always like from the head that can be from like does the hair then not grow out like all wispy i have no idea mate i guess we're gonna find out if i do this i think we're actually gonna have a bit of an army of people wanting to go because i know so many people who are on this hype at the moment what women as well for a transplant no yes actually for men i joke about it all the time but i'm now like oh bloody i may as well just do it okay yeah so hair hair basically by holly holly should set up a hair page okay one last question i might have thrown this one in myself if you could swap each other for someone else, who would it be?

17:58Louise: It can be a celebrity. It might make it less offensive. What, full time or for a day? Like, look. Oh, well, that's a good question. Both. What? Okay. Just a day. I'm going to let you go first on this. Who are you dropping me out for? Well, what's weird is I'd kind of just replaced myself. Oh, bloody hell. I thought about yours more than mine no no isn't i thought about who you'd swap me for for again are we talking a day or a lifetime if we're talking a day i'll go for some mega babe i was thinking for you jua leeper that would be yours that's yeah for a day yeah it's kind of a weird question i was actually just speaking to the girls about this in the cab on the way back from a meeting yesterday and we were talking about who we would swap each who we would swap our partners for and then they said are you sure that they weren't like who would you swap yourself and who would you want to be for a day type thing because that would be a better question i want to be for a day maybe that is a better question well no but they then basically said that they would freak out if their partner has answered anyone and then i thought it was maybe is it odd that i wouldn't freak out if you said you want to swap me for chirolipo well if i said it and meant it like yeah i want a full-time switch shout that would probably cut some cut some uh some holes in the relationship but i just don't take things like that that personally well that's because you know it's just a silly juvenile game fine who do you want to be for a day oh right there we go who do i want to be for a day i know who i'd swap you out for right tom hardy cool cool who do you want to be for a day good choice who do i want to tom hardy um who do i want to be for a day for me um messy best footballer in the world.

19:45I'd like to just walk around as the best footballer in the world. Just for a day and just see what it's like. I'd like to just like casually in the kitchen just not even watch just do like kippy ups and then walk down the street and get a coffee and just see the love.

19:59Louise: You are such a boy. What do you mean? But also that would be chaos. You couldn't walk down the street to get a coffee. For a day, a day for a day. You'd be so annoying. You'd be accosted. You'd have to lock yourself up in a prison of a palace. All right, all right. I'll be Brad Pitt for a day and I'll just go and promote this F1 movie and be like, yo. Thank you guys so much for listening. Please send in your questions. The juicier, the better. We'll be back on Wednesday with our full ep. And this week it's all about sex drives, prenups and Ryan's four C's for a fulfilling relationship. See you on Wednesday.

20:31See you then.

21:03We'll be right back.

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From the publisher

It’s Monday which can only mean one thing…it’s time for another Ask Us Anything!!


In this episode, Louise and Ryan share what goals and experiences are on their bucket lists and discuss how they worked to improve their self-confidence and stop caring about other people’s opinions of them.


Plus, Louise tells us the secrets behind her favourite hairstyles and the pair  reveal which celebrity they’d swap each other for…


Submit your questions for our next AUA here and don’t forget to come back on Wednesday for our full length episodes.


If you’ve got a dilemma, email us at [email protected] for Louise and Ryan to help you on the show.


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