Sam & Karen Thompson on MIC Drama, Heated Arguments & an Overdue Apology...

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0:47Louise: What? And who's going to be reporting on that? I report myself. That's so funny. You've got like a self-reporting swear jar at home. So I say to Talia, I'm like, if you ever hear me swear, Okay, can we put... You can, yes. Who gets the money at the end? I'm allowed to say a couple of fucks. It's not like I can't, but it's just like, if it's like... Every other. Yeah, then it's just like, no, put something to swear to you. You swear too much in front of Aliyah. Anyway, we'll come on to that in a little bit. Oh, as if. That's not the thing you're going to get me to apologise for, surely. No, God, it's way worse than that.

1:17Louise: What? The hell? Oh, my God. Lame. Yeah, I know. It's actually bad. There might be tears from you. I'm going to cry. how vulnerable are you feeling yeah i don't like this i did this as a favor i'm kidding this is great are we gonna start all right well before we start i think it's really important to say mum strap in because you're about to really really get hammered here no i'm gonna strap in and enjoy the ride sam you're the one that's gonna get hammered why am i why am i on the single seat why are you all defensively crossing your arms because this is my pod louise should be sat here now i feel like i'm about to get interrogated because i'm on the single seat It's bumming me out.

1:56Louise: Welcome, everybody, to He Said, She Said. Today we have two very special guests. It's a Team Thompson episode. We've got my mum, Kazza, Karen Thompson on today. And we've got Sam. And this is the first time that you've joined our pod. This is it. How does it feel being in our studio? Really weird, actually. Does it feel weird? Yeah, it feels really weird. I feel like I'm being interviewed right now. I'm panicking. Do you feel a little uncomfortable? I'm really nervous. I know, your body language is giving nerves. I don't know what to do with my hands. Oh, my God. You're doing the dinosaur hands again.

2:28Louise: No, it's going to be a nice chat. Okay, nice. We can talk about whatever we want. But it's obviously, we spend a lot of time together. It feels a bit rarer having mum here. I just want to ask you, did you ever imagine that Sam would be my boss?

2:48Whoa. Well, I mean, the straightforward answer to that, I suppose it's a yes or no question, and the answer is no. um but why why because you were initially going to be heading into the city oh yeah yeah and sam was going to be going in a different direction which we never really quite knew where sam was going to be going but he was not going to be what is the direction i remember when um when louise had all these aspirations um for anyone listening louise was the uh was the intelligent one with the family um you used to i used to hate you no no no sorry no no not like that as in i remember i would struggle so much at school like i would really struggle like could never revise or anything like that like i would really try because i was like okay i'm gonna try and be a teacher's pet and really do and louise just party all the time and just not really care never revise and just get a's for everything and i used to get like i used to get like you

3:51Louise: A pluses. Mum just had to get that in there. A pluses. You know what's crazy? I didn't know you existed until I got it. And my sister was just smashing A's. And so, yeah, I remember very well that Louise was like, I didn't even get into uni, Mum. Did you try? Yeah. Wait, sorry. No, no, no. Wait, hang on a minute. This is a huge revelation. I thought the reason that Sam didn't go to university was because he didn't want to. Yes. And everybody thought it would be a waste of time and he had the gift of the gab and his energy was better spent elsewhere. No, no, no. can I just tell you not because he didn't get in if I got into Nottingham I would have gone oh no okay well wait what are your A level results like dude or this felt like fuck I was like D-U yeah it was terrible D-U-D-E I think what mum's about to say is he had an A I got no not in not in my A levels oh no it's very sweet oh what did he get an A I just remember an A I got a C-D-D-U he had an A in something C-D-U it was in English English literature English literature exactly I remember it very well Mr Balfour was my teacher sorry Petal Wait what I didn't know is that you actually Said that you tried You felt like you were Actively trying So before you Go to uni and before you get the Grades you have to do like a pre Uni thing where like you try You go I would like to join this uni Like the UCAS assessment And you have to write a little personal statement But they also look at your Previous grades right so you know whether you're sort of like relatively near the bar.

5:21And they came back and they were literally like, you're nowhere near what we want. They obviously didn't say that, but it was like a very far, I got a no before other people got yeses. So, oh my God, Pete's here. Pete, howdy. Oh my God. Hello. Hello. As the last man I expected to walk in it.

5:42Louise: Mum would like, mum would like a dishy cloth. I thought you might be busy. Anyway, sorry. What I was going to say is that I got a no before people got yeses into Nottingham. And that's mum when I decided that you wasn't for me. Okay, so what happened from our point of view, and obviously Sam knew this and we obviously didn't, so he was kind of pre-empting it then and covering himself because sensibly Sam said, well, if you want to waste all your money on me spending three years, just eating pizza and drinking beers, frankly, it's up to you, but I think it will be a waste of time. And I'm just like, absolutely.

6:22Couldn't agree more. But what Sam knew was that he hadn't got a place anyway.

6:27Louise: Well, that's what I'm saying. I didn't know that. Our parents never knew that. I did not know that. They both think that you've got loads of integrity and they were trying to save you cash. I tried first. You're trying to save them cash. Which is mental. And it didn't work. That is funny because I didn't know that. So I just thought, well, that's great. And then I was a bartender for a bit. and that's where I think mum was talking about Sam had different goals. No one quite knew what they were but I was a bartender and then I went to try and be an estate agent and I didn't get that job. That was terrible.

6:55Louise: Wait, you actually didn't get that job and that was a favour, pulled in favour. Mum pulled in a favour for a guy who works at Savills. Yeah, it was a friend of mine, yeah. And I walked in and I sat down. Bear in mind, when it's a favour, you think you're just guaranteed it. Yeah, exactly. And I think normally you are. It was because you turned up, you were scruffy. No, I wasn't. But wait, I thought an estate agent was the job that anybody could do. Well, apparently not me. And I wasn't scruffy, by the way. A la Pooh Bell, unemployable. No, I wasn't because he thought I'd turn up in trackies. I was just in loose-fitting trousers.

7:25I have to say that you always said, and Grandpa always says this now, that he remembers you saying, well, I don't want to say this because it doesn't sound very nice, but it came from your mouth. I'm thick as shit, but I'm going to get by on my personality. And that was when you were young. So wise. I'm thick as shit. You did. That's what you said. I can't have said those. Yes, no, because you actually did.

7:53Louise: You did. But I actually feel a bit bad now because I feel like you. Well, being clever. I feel like you were really fed that narrative at some point along your educational journey and you lent into it and you were proclaimed as someone that was thick as shit. And then you were like, fine, like I'll have to self-preclaim myself and it will be my role. But he wasn't. No, mum, I'm so sorry that it was true. Not by you, not by my parents, but by school, yeah, 100%. Because you learn pretty quickly whether you're good at that subject or bad. And if a teacher didn't believe in you, I always, and Pete will be able to say this, I'm an arm around the shoulder guy.

8:37You know, I'm the kind of guy who needs, like if I was playing, encouragement yeah if i i fluff him i think it's where we where we use um and uh and and i if i didn't get that from my teacher at school and the grades weren't great i would just give up i'd be like okay well it's a lost cause and i just not really try now obviously you know that you have

8:55Louise: adhd but when you were younger and at school you just were someone that was struggling to concentrate struggling to focus yeah and being really disruptive in the class as i'm sure mum will attest with the school reports. Whereas like you could have actually been given a bit of extra attention, I think. Oh yeah, 100%. The reason I did well in English literature, not to bring up my A from GCSE, but the reason that I did well in that was because my teacher was really hands-on and he was great. When dad came here, I asked him a little bit about how we were behaved as kids. I can't believe you got him on this pod.

9:34Louise: I know, right, he sat on that chair. He said we were both really well behaved and I was like actually quite shocked. You were both very, very lovely and well behaved for the most part. How? I knew I was good. Do you know you were good? Did you? You were a good kid. Yeah. Sorry not to take my own home. Wait, sorry. Sam used to, but okay, so maybe the standards are different. Like Sam used to sit every single meal with a little headphone Walkman scenario and just block the world out. But is that good behaviour? So just like, I guess just. No, generally, neither of you were disruptive. Neither of you were rude.

10:10Neither of you were sort of, honestly, compared to other children, you were very well behaved and you were very sweet and very lovely. I agree. You were very loving and it was lovely. Honestly, you were, you're going to make me cry now. You were a delight. I wish we could go back to those days. Go on, have a cry.

10:29Louise: No, because I've cried quite a lot in recent episodes, so let's keep this one trying. Louise is an average of two cries an episode, apparently. That's actually not true. So, Mum, why don't you push it up to three? Tears of joy. Push it up to three. I knew I was a good kid. That is true. Did you? Yeah, it was great. Never, I wasn't, but you were an issue, Louise. You were a real problem. Well, this is kind of what I want to talk about because I feel like, boys, firstly, you're a fucking dick. And also, boys, okay, I need to talk to you a little bit about hormones. Boys, apparently, when they're younger, have more testosterone coursing through their body than a full-grown man.

11:03Louise: so that's why they're like ah like all the time just like moving it's just like oh my god and then you chill and settle and then you get to live like a peaceful life your existence is just like pretty yeah we just like this you just float yeah except for maybe if you're neurodiverse and having and then like we can maybe go into what that feels like in your head into a wiggle and then but women like just start to really like pick up on that when they get the surges of all the hormones and then I think a teenage woman can be a force to be reckoned with. Because I always wanted to do the right thing, but I just couldn't control myself.

11:38Well, because when you were... That sounds like an excuse to me. Well, that's right. But, you know, well, basically because when you turn 15 and I remember I was exactly the same when I was... It's 15. There's something about girls at 15. That's when you started to go out. That's when you started drinking. and my God, this lovely, lovely, lovely girl suddenly was replaced with, I mean, I just, I can't even begin to describe. I remember. What happened? You tell us. I remember, I remember, yeah, hating the idea of going on a holiday with Louise and mum. I would, because you guys would argue loads and I was just like, this is, at one point, I remember I was going to bed and we were like club med or somewhere like that.

12:28Yeah. And I was like going to bed. By the way, I had a cockroach in my bed for one. None of you gave a shit about that. Oh my God, is this the holiday

12:34Louise: where I got lit and started like macking off with the open bone? Yeah, you were just, no, no, no. Let me tell you, I'll explain to you what happened. You were acting out and being really rude to mum for no reason at all. Mum then lost her shit and turned around and called you a witch. There's only so much I can say. Mum turned around and we got big such a little witch. And then you thought she said bitch and you went, I've got a cockroach in my bed. No one would give a shit. And it literally, I just want to let you know, I got into bed and as I'm tucking in, it flew out up my chest. You were well prepared for the jungle then, weren't you?

13:08As you guys were fucking arguing, it crawled up my chest and flew out. And I was like, no one cares because all you do is just argue. Can I also just say on that, Sam and I weren't allowed to come within 200 yards of you for the entire holiday. Well, it's because you wanted to be with all the cool people. Exactly And we weren't cool enough for her We weren't allowed to walk past We weren't allowed to say hello No, no, no I wasn't cool enough I have one photograph of you on that trip Where she takes you like 100 metres away Yeah, it was She's like on a flap zoom on it No, seriously I wish I had it I would show you And you're like this Yeah Fuming Absolutely And you And that Was that the one that you threw up in the bed Because again You'd been drinking with the club Oh, I remember that Yeah, I do remember that I was probably 14 Your cleaner came in.

13:56No, she wouldn't have been allowed to drink there. I know why.

13:58Louise: Yeah, you were, because it's just abroad. Yeah, back then, Portugal would do whatever you wanted. I went to a loco club. No, it's a different one. I saw some bad stuff that trip. Was it Portugal? Anyway, but literally, it was just horrendous. You threw up all over your bed. I know. It was actually me that had to come in. It was just awful. I'd like to just throw it out there. Whilst I'm at the wave machine with the boys, we're a solid 12 years old. And I'm crying. on my own into my coffee looking what's happened Louise is lying in bed surrounded by mess men surrounded by geysers oh my god men and mess I'm at the wave machine mum me and the boys just chilling on the wave machine perfect and you know I get you I understand because I was there and I think what about the turkey one when you'd heard you didn't speak to us the entire wait what was that wait what was that I took you to turkey I thought we were talking about turkey no we were talking about this is before when you were to go club med and all that there was a few years prior to Turkey you were a nightmare as well you didn't speak to me the entire trip because you'd just broken up with a boyfriend you didn't speak to Sam or me the entire trip I'd share a bed with her do you know what happened she was obviously so distraught about the fella I was trying to read my ancient Egypt book not helpful I was literally I had my book open and she's literally no you're asleep at this point and she's talking we all share the same she's talking in tongues I'm not joking I'm awake I've got my little side lamp on, trying not to, again, trying not to make any noise, quiet as I'm out, just reading my little fucking history book, right?

15:29And then, and Louise is in bed going, I was like, this girl's talking in tongues, and then you would wake up in a foul mood, and then you would just not speak to anyone.

15:39Louise: I am actually a witch. Like, the tongues thing, I think that I'm a little bit witchy, but I'm a good witch. No, you've turned into a lovely, lovely human being. I'm a lovely witch. Oh, thank heavens, it was just the phrase. I had to ride out the witchiness. You're a nightmare. Brothers are not very helpful, and actually you weren't that helpful when I went through this breakup. I was so distraught and I had to internalise all of that upset. I was a little brother. He was reading Harry fucking Potter. What am I meant to do? Sit down and be like, well, he's a prick. I didn't even know, I never had a kiss.

16:07What am I meant to do? Did you not? I was a late bloomer.

16:11Louise: You were like 15. Late bloomer. Wait, when did you have your first kiss? First kiss? No, I had had my first kiss. Yeah, because you just did that. You were at a mixed school. Yeah. that doesn't mean that I was getting loads of action, mate. I wasn't like the coolest kid in school. I wasn't like the lame one. I was like in the middle. I was always just middle of the pack. The most I could have done at 15 is sat down and be like, well, I mean, Ramesses III when he like went back, you know, I just didn't have anything for you. You're the older one. You're the trailblazer. You were an inspiration to be fair.

16:42Louise: God, yeah, we've got some mental memories, haven't we? Yeah. Well, you've got some mental memories. I've just got memories. Oh, God. I've just got memories of the mentalist. Well, then let's move on to something. Like I do, I've been doing quite a lot of thinking in the last few years. Yeah. As I've matured. Okay. And I've been five years sober. Yeah. And actually I do want to say sorry

17:09Louise: for being sometimes like quite, actually to both of you. I'll give you two separate apologies. I'd like firstly to say sorry for - The trouble is we know this is coming with a - no i don't need a sorry from you no no okay so i genuinely do want to say sorry for ever making you feel uncomfortable whenever i've been drunk snappy and for saying inappropriate things and for sometimes when we've ever had heated arguments for going in and and you know really like landing some low blows and and feeling like out of control sometimes and forever hurting you because i adore you well yeah but also mate the reason that we can sit here and have a laugh about it is because it's not that deep like exactly you're you're you're in the past you're my sister if we didn't do that it would be you wouldn't be my sister like don't get me wrong so many stories are hilarious because because that's life and that's how i think how the journey goes and that's changed and you know when we're growing you hit the nail on the head hormones and boys and booze and yeah we all go through that so like for me it was like a i really appreciate that by the way but but i really i actually genuinely mean it because there have been times when i've been really really off key and like i'm not proud of myself for that whole drinking period it felt very out of control and it felt like like it is funny so i'd rather keep this all like light because there are some incredible stories and incredible memories and 90 you know 99 of the time everything has been super positive so i don't need to bring down the tone but one percent is like a little bit dark yeah yeah but but mate also i think that look we're ribbing you pretty damn hard but only because I can handle it.

19:07No, no, no. Of course you can. But also just because you're a really fucking great person.

19:09Louise: Yeah. So like, don't be too nice. No, no. But my point is, don't worry, I can carry on. But my overarching point is you're my best mate. Yeah. So, you know, you're not best mate to someone if you don't have arguments. You're not best mates. I told you, I called you out on this morning, literally yesterday because you were trying to take me to the council for my fucking aircon unit. That's a fucking lie by the way. I can't believe you said it. You threatened it. I'm going to sue you for slander. You threatened, you actually could. He said that on national TV. She actually didn't take me there. She threatened to.

19:39But my point is, my point is that you're, you're a goddamn great person. Thank you. So the reason it's so easy to lay into you right now is because like. We are best friends. Yeah. And you're, and you're, you're, you're the best sister I could have ever asked for. Like by an absolute mile. If I've ever got an issue, I had an issue recently that I'm not going to disclose exactly what it was, but I was having a bit of a, like a real sort of life worry. And like, I was just like, right, well, better knock on Louise's door and just sort of, like, get your take on it. And I've always been able to do that.

20:08I've always been on, when we were on Made in Chelsea, I, like, was a little shit loads of the time, and I would cause you loads of issues because I would, like, be a stupid young boy and, like, I don't know, I'd be off, like, cheating on Tiff or something like that. And then you, poor Louise, would have to literally, like, be like, he hasn't done anything wrong! He's done nothing wrong! Everyone just back off him! And then she'd literally shut the door and be like, Sam, what the fuck are you doing? You're making me look like a fucking idiot. So like, you've been there for me for so much. Like, so just the booze and stuff and having that, I appreciate it because you were out of control.

20:42Louise: Yeah, I was out of control. It was really horrendous. But I think, you know, as an adult, formative years were a bit tough. But I think as an adult, I think that I couldn't ask for anyone better as a sister. Can I say something like back to that? Yeah. So I was chatting to G and she was saying that actually she has mates who ask whether we're genuinely best friends or whether we just do stuff online, which actually quite shocked me. I get that quite a bit. Do you? Well, me, you, me, Pete, me and most people that I do anything with online. So like for anyone listening, like we are genuinely... No, no, I don't think they don't think it's genuine.

21:19Louise: Oh, they don't know whether it is or not. So they're not like accusing us of just making it up. But I think that people don't maybe understand like how deep our relationship is because it is, you know, the really serious stuff is not filmed. and Sam often does film when he comes around every day but like we do see each other every day and for that like we are so grateful I want to get mum's opinion on um how does it make you feel the fact that we get along really well now you've always got along really well yes okay there were a couple of years when things were a bit you know got a bit hairy but generally you always have and I think I think I just consider myself really really lucky we've always had such an incredible relationship and I think you've always got on.

22:04Also, let's us not forget, the apology you want from me, I guarantee I know what it is. I know I know what it is already.

22:11Louise: Well, Mum thinks she knows what it is. Yes. Have we ever had an apology? Yes, you already have had an apology for this. Have I? Unless I'm now bringing up something else. Yes, exactly! I'm saying nothing in case it's not that likely. So, my apology that I've already given you. Is this to do with the party? Ah, here we go. Okay, what's your apology? Yes, yes, it was. A party of some description. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Is that the apology you want? What were you going to say? Was that actually what you were going to say? That in general, yeah, that whole situation. We need to have a conversation with everybody's view on this.

22:45Louise: Okay, fine. Yeah, because you two share the same view that you think that this is all fine. And like for someone that was going through a really rough time, I felt like I needed a bit more support. I'm just going to put it out there. Well, no one knows what we're talking about. Okay, fine. So basically, when I was going, okay. Well, we do. Sam is right. Oh my God. Here we go. Everyone get comfortable because I am really uncomfortable. Oh gosh. Yes. When I was younger and I was on Made in Chelsea, I was going through a really difficult time. Often that involved alcohol. It involved significant anxiety.

23:22It involved significant failed relationships.

23:26Louise: I went through like a very public relationship and we went through a breakup. We were on and off where I think actually both of you, probably more Sam, became quite good friends with him. And you, I don't know, maybe looked up to him a little bit. Yeah. And I think that that was really tricky for me. And you threw a party at mum's house. And lots of people, I think people from me in Chelsea came and like basically like he cheated on me in my childhood bed at mum's house. and there were no, like, ramifications to that at all. Well, I didn't know that at the time. Like, it all happened. And, like, you never basically, like, reprimanded Sam at all.

24:12Like, I felt as though if I was a parent

24:15Louise: and, like, one of my children had had a house party at my house and I was away, like, one of my children's exes is basically having sex in their bedroom and the other child is somewhat responsible, that that is, like, pretty bad. Yeah, mum, fucking hell. no I'm joking no I'm sorry I wasn't this is the thing I wasn't even there it all became my fault this is the whole thing no do you know what it's not your fault of course I know I just feel like at what age does disciplining stop no but can I can I just um uh so we'll give our views on this so we haven't spoken about this before no we haven't so I didn't know anything about it obviously I wasn't there until I get really angry phone calls from you and Sam and I'm just hold on I don't know what's going on so you were calling me saying it's disgusting how dare you let this happen how dare you've got to sort Sam out you've got to do something it's disgusting I'm never ever speaking to him again you've got to sort him out now blah blah and I'm like hold on I've just got back I don't even know what are you talking what's happened you know what's Sam calling you saying And then Sam would call me saying, oh, that's it.

25:28You've got to talk to Louise. This is outrageous. You know, this happened. Apparently, I didn't know it happened. It wasn't my fault. How could I stop it? I didn't know anything about it. Louise is having a... I literally would put the phone down from one. The other would ring, screaming at me, screaming at me. Sam wouldn't scream at me as much as you. He would just be like, this is so unfair. how was I supposed to do anything about it what was I supposed to do so I obviously said relayed you know from you that uh Sam okay well you have to understand from Louise's perspective this is absolutely devastating and disgusting and you were the one who had the party and in her mind would therefore was therefore in charge and somehow should have managed to stop this or knowing it was happening or whatever.

26:17Imagine you stopping it. Exactly. I mean. So I was stuck in the middle and you two, it was one of the worst times in my life. I was so devastated. It's about that I barely remember it. Oh my God. It was horrendous. That's because she didn't punish you.

26:32Louise: Imagine if Zara shagged someone in your bed and I was like, yeah, party. That, so sorry. Let me rephrase. I was just getting on. I was just getting on to it. So basically, what we have to talk about is serious. It's not mum's fault. Like, realistically, mum hasn't done anything. That is hard. Like, mum's not - I didn't know anything about it. I just had you screaming at me. So mum's not at the house. Mum's not there. Mum's literally there, got me and you based on her face. You're in the right, by the way, obviously. Yes. And maybe mum probably could have turned around and be like, Sam, for fuck's sake, mate, what the fuck are you doing?

27:09Well,

27:09Louise: I did. Well, I can't remember. It was so many years ago, I can't remember what happened. I don't think this boy's ever been told off before. don't worry i work with pete yeah yeah i i i get i get it enough um but and by you actually but obviously i didn't know it was happening like i'm it's not like i was like you've got i had no idea until it came out and i was like what the fuck obviously i'm like what the fuck has just happened i'm with a bunch of my mates like having like from what i remember a very good time and uh and and and trashing mum's house. I'm sorry, mum. I had no, and then, and then they all turn up and I'm like, mate, I'm like fucking 18.

27:46You got made in Chelsea boys coming in. They're on a TV show. That's huge. I mean, she's like, this is great. Right. But that's as far as it goes with me. And then I found out all of this kind of stuff. And I'm really looked up because you guys were going out with each other. And he was like a big brother character to me. And he's very charming. You know what he's always been like, you know, really charming. And I've, I've always been a bit of like a, you always look up to an older an older guy figure you know and and so like i was putty to like something like that and uh but you were completely right in terms of like how annoyed you were absolutely i just didn't know what to do about it so i was literally panicking 18 years old freaking the fuck out i've had this massive party i'm hung over apparently something's happened i'm like shit i fucking feel terrible and i'm like obviously it's just like so bad it's so bad yes it really is like it's don't jump on my apology mum alright yeah

28:42Louise: you also you also called him charming you were like well he's just very charming but not after that but my point is that he was very much like messaging me like being like hey Sam like can you drive I used to drive in places I used to go to nightclubs with him man I never used to get into nightclubs I was like this is the coolest thing in the world I even had a few friends that used to go on PAs for anyone that's listening that's a personal appearance and they used to happen probably a lot more regularly. And obviously people are like, girls are like throwing themselves at the dudes. It's quite something to behold.

29:12And I had friends that were my age

29:13Louise: who would go blokes who would also go with him. I think it's hard, isn't it? It's always hard going through a breakup that's public, but also when you feel like you're really integrated in a friendship group and it's just horrible seeing people spend time with exes. But also this is where I was very weak. And so this is where I should really have just been like, no, because it was going so badly between you guys. But then like we had become quite pally and I was like, fuck, I don't really know what's going on here. Cause you guys would then like make up and I'd be like, great. They've made up.

29:50Then you wouldn't make up. And I should have really been like, mate, this is so intense. Like I've obviously just got to take Louise aside. so like you've been really like rude to her as well i would never have like been like what the fuck i just i just didn't have that in my locker which i probably should have been i just i just never felt like i like had any standing to do any of that kind of shit which is such a weak thing for by the way for a boy to be saying and then i think um as i got older i really started thinking about that that whole situation with like you me being friends with him whilst you guys weren't working out I remember joining Maine Chelsea and being like it's all just like it's just a bit of fun and it's a laugh it's not real and then like and I was like none of it's real but then it was

30:38Louise: real it was real that's the thing and that's that's such an interesting point that you've just said because I've actually never heard you say this before that when you joined the show you thought it was all a bit of fun and that it wasn't real and I think that there's such a big split between the people that had that attitude and the people that didn't and the people who came out on top and the people that suffered and also the boys and the girls. And I'd say it's almost exactly split. I think that you, Spencer, Jamie, Francis, for sure, like a lot of the guys, Hugo, Proudlock, you all saw it as something that was fun and that was a TV show and that you could use to your benefit.

31:22quite cleverly actually.

31:25Louise: Whereas for some reason, all of us, not all, but like some of the girls found ourselves living like real relationships with real feelings on that show. Well, I got that with Tiff. So for me, for me, it became real. It became real. So when I was, when I first started it, I literally was like, this is a joke. And then, but then I actually got like a girlfriend, I got a girlfriend, a lovely girl called Tiff, who Louise is always really fond of. That's when I realized like, oh God, this is like really intense. I will say in, in people who not hear his defense, like Jamie for one, you know, and I hope myself is that as we get older and as we got older, it became kind of apparent what kind of guys we wanted to be and who we were.

32:16And we, I think I can't speak for him, but I feel like I grew into who I wanted to be. like quite quickly actually and that's actually why i left the show because i went i this i don't want to do this i don't want to be this anymore like i don't want to be talking about someone who i don't even know anymore i don't want to talk about their issues or i don't want to talk about who's cheating on her or whatever like that i speak to jamie quite i speak to jamie quite a lot and he's become just this amazing you speak to him a little bit you know he's he i think he's become a really brilliant guy and and i don't really speak to any of the others so i wouldn't be able to say but like yeah i i will say that you know when you're that age yeah you're a boy and you're thrown into yeah it must have been so much tv and all i think it begs the question that

33:00Louise: though they're like should boys and girls at a vulnerable stage in life be entering reality tv i started watching something for the first time married at first side oh you're gonna love that you're popular in this room oh my goodness i mean i you should go on that i've like you'd be wonderful I know did they sign TTV did they sign prenups on that I'd get you cancelled you'd get me cancelled I know you would can you remember when we asked you told you I said asked but maybe we just told you that we were going to join the show gosh well I remember very well when Sam went on it because it was it was not so long ago well and how did you feel about sam joining the fun well actually um i thought it was great because i knew that he was so desperate to be on it he was so desperate honestly and it used to used to really upset me because he was so so envious of you being on it you know this he was yeah and he was so it's so funny because obviously i wish i could do and i used to break my heart so when Sam actually did get an opportunity to be on it obviously I mean I was there fully like there wasn't a single minute of it that I missed I watched every single second because dad didn't watch a second dad's never watched second I hated it um eventually it was very hard viewing I look back on main chelsea with fond memories I look back at it like I do to be fair so do I I get They get asked about main chelsea all the time.

34:44And like, yeah, there were like ups and downs. Realistically, I always, whenever, because a journalist always tries to get me to slag off main chelsea all the time. Really? All the time. Because they'd want me to say, because I'm very lucky that I've come off it and, you know, grown as, I believe, grown as a person. Not luck, you've worked incredibly hard. But a lot of people, I think, want me to think I'm better than it. And so they try and get me to say and to shit on it. but you wouldn't be where you are today without it i don't know i just i the fact that i could be doing a completely different job now if it weren't for you and a tv show also like it to me

35:24Louise: and and mum well our parents like i quite often i've reached a point now i think since having a kid where i'm like actually everything really boils down to them basically like letting us do it i have friends whose parents would be like that is so embarrassing you're not allowed to do that they would be like major blockades in their journey of life, in their careers, in their relationships. Controlling. If it was now, it might be slightly different. But don't forget, I'd never ever seen a reality TV show before. I had no idea what it was. Absolutely none whatsoever. And it's not as though I would have had a choice, let's face it.

36:01Yeah, I would have done it without. I'm giving you credit, but like... I would have forced my way into this industry, whether you liked it or not.

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37:56Louise: You guys have been together for ten years. Yeah, but I know, but we haven't had anything in the pipeline. I haven't pulled out of anything. We're scared to organize things because we just know the reactions. In all fairness to you guys, he doesn't actually like doing double dates with anyone. It's not just you guys, so... You know what it is? With me and Tiff, we're like chalk and cheese. I, you know what I'm like, I'm a bit of a lazy man, do you know what I mean? But then... I suck. Tiff is like super outgoing and I feel like we work so well, because she'll force me to, so I will complain. As long as, you know, Tiff's happy with you guys not doing that much stuff...

38:29Yeah, but that's not really for you to say as long as it's happening.

38:33Louise: OK, but if she thinks it, then that's... Do you think that? It's more like, oh, that's a shame. It's literally just like, oh, can we go and do this? No, OK, that's a shame. Oh, can we go and do this? No, that's a shame. As long as you two are good, that's the only thing that actually matters. Yeah, but you keep saying that to me, suggesting that something is wrong. They're fine. I don't need fucking lessons in relationships from anyone on this television. Oh, but you. No one's trying to give you a lesson. she's not trying to give you a lesson to have just said a few things to me so I just feel like it's for us to discuss maybe it's for you and my sister or anyone how long is this clip?

39:04yeah just probably we've watched it now I missed the beginning of it so I didn't know what the context was I used to suck oh my god

39:19are you speechless Sam?

39:21Louise: where to begin? Have you ever watched any of it in Chelsea episodes? I never used to watch myself. Neither did I, because it was just like, once it's done, it's done. You don't even know what to say. No, I do. I just feel like it's a different person when I watch that. And I'm like, God, I was so young and just so silly. It is silly, isn't it? God, I don't even really understand what I was saying. I'm watching myself. I watched myself and being like if I weren't you I would hate you do you know what I mean like as a viewer now I would watch that dude and be like god you shut up like it's that's mad and also it's like like I don't also like we're literally having a fight over the fact that you just won't do stuff with Tiff yeah I know poor girl poor girl yeah yeah she um she's well done her for bouncing yeah yeah she's happily married with a couple of kids now My God, like honestly, how could anyone have been without a geezer?

40:25No, that's actually not fair.

40:27Louise: No, that isn't. You're young. I feel like you do look like that Harvey guy that was on McJussey. Why does everyone always say that? I think there's like a textbook made in Chelsea, 20 year old look. And it's like one chain here. It's awful. It's glasses and like a couple of rings, a couple of bits of silver and like some little spiky hair. And that will never change. No, do you know what? It's the only thing that stayed the same is Ryan being the voice of reason. That's exactly what I was thinking. Because Ryan could not give a shit. He's like, why are we talking about this? Ryan is like breaking the fourth wall of the time because he's like, he's literally just commentating on how absurd the show was.

41:11Yeah. In every scene. It's crazy. I think it's so fun because there's times where you can watch that and you go, God, like how life has changed. Which is good actually.

41:20Louise: it's quite how people change is crazy like I look at that guy and I'm like what the hell are you doing and that's like not that long ago what was that like 10 years ago or something like that do you ever look back at like your past and think god I feel like proud of how far I've come like look at what I've been through a lot I sometimes look at things that I'm not proud of just to keep me on the straight and narrow as well okay yeah like there are sometimes things where I'll look at things and I go god you just look like an absolute belly what is a bit of like sort of self-torture to be like don't do that again I do that quite a lot.

41:50Yeah.

41:51Louise: That's interesting. Yeah. I do that in relationships as well. I do that where like I'll think about like where I was at my worst in a relationship sometimes just to keep me on the on the right path in this one. so like i will be like for example i hope i don't i hope this isn't psychopathic uh but i will sometimes think okay why was i at my worst at that point what was i doing that was really like i don't win a degree of that now and then i'll try and do the polar opposite like i'll do that like once a week maybe and then be like i'll try and do the polar opposite this week and i find that it really helps me because sometimes i can like because i with you know my brain and stuff like i sometimes struggle to regulate my sort of emotions and stuff so i find it really really helpful when i remember feeling and i'm like i remember that feeling of like it was just an awful feeling and then i'm like don't do that ever again and then so like that's how i keep on my wow that is so interesting tally doesn't know that yeah but wait so you i don't think anyone knows that no no but see but now i because i'm just interested that whether there are people out there that also do that but also if it could be a useful technique for people trying to get through something tough so you might think so you might have a thought about something like really horrible that made you feel sad or something and you'll be like okay what made me feel like that in the moment and then I'll try and do the complete opposite yeah and before I get in a relationship before I got in any relationship with Tally like I was very much I put myself in a position where I go what do I not want to feel like what do I not want my girlfriend to be like like in terms of like are we going to be a match and stuff like don't just get in something for the sake of getting into it and like what do i not want in a in a in a partner do i want in a partner but i think this is all part of having 33 i can't i can't fuck around anymore hey i'm 63 and i'm definitely not and i'm not that deep what did you say but we are both quite deep i think it's because that is like you're really analyzing the behaviors to try and forward plan so you can avoid certain feelings analyze because i've i've just not had you know like the relationship that I want do you know what I mean so I'm just like well maybe you could analyse a bit more of those clips and go actually I need to get out of the house and go on more dates which you're doing and I'm so proud because we're all going on a double date here's actually the nice surprise that I have just given away so we're going to take you away on a nice little retreat are you kidding for your birthday don't make me cry now again are you serious I thought we'd talk should you cry I don't know are you serious yeah we're all going to go away for a really nice weekend.

44:30Louise: Are you serious? Yes. I honestly don't know what to say. Say you'll come. Yes. Sorry, I'm busy that weekend. Yeah, because, yeah, I think it would be really nice because people don't go away enough. We don't go away enough as a family. So I thought it would be a really beautiful thing. Oh, I haven't asked you now. Oh. You're going to have a good time. I'm dragging Sam there by the skin of his no you're not I put myself off this months ago mum if anything I was the architect of this oh yeah in fact we actually have Tally to thank yeah Tally was a big part of the play in this as well Tally was like look we all need to go away and do something nice oh no that's so nice honestly oh god I should go ask at least at the end because I'm not going to be able to compose myself yeah mum you're going to have a wonderful time I was against inviting you but yeah I was keen for you to just do it on your own.

45:32No, mum, we're going to have a wonderful, wonderful time. It's going to be amazing.

45:35Louise: Are you working with a therapist at the moment? Yes. Why? I know. I think that the, just looking at that episode, I think you need to speak about why you, why you, no, actually, I think it's a really lovely thing because you love being at home loads and the routine. I know what that is. It's basically, I don't like, I hate change. I crave routine instruction when I deviate from that I really struggle so for example if I go on holiday I really struggle to go for like a long weekend somewhere it takes me a long time to acclimatize to the new place that I'm in and feel like I feel it's not safe that sounds really stupid but like but feel um what's the word stimulatedly comfortable in that place and then I can relax so I don't relax the first like two days of the holiday which must be a nightmare to be with to be fair so even so I this is such a small thing but like I go for Hernando's every Friday with Tally right we go for Hernando's and we go to the cinema like at least once a month and like that for me is like me being like let's really try and do this and we like so we'll try and go on a date night as well to like a really nice restaurant something like that but I have to But I have to actively try and be like, I'll remember that.

46:51Let's remember. I need to remember to offer to be like, we should go out and we should do this because I know she really wants to. But you never used to want to do anything at the weekends. You see, I always say, oh, what would you like to do, you know, for the weekend? Should we go, I don't know, do something, go to Legoland, whatever it might be. Was that even as a child? Yes, yes, absolutely. That's so interesting. And Sam will be, you know, I just want to be at home with the dogs. And just, yeah.

47:16Louise: But that's amazing that you were so sort of tuned in to him from such a young age that you were like, oh, if he doesn't want to go and do these things, how would you handle that? Well, don't you just think that the most wonderful thing is all they want to do is be at home with you? Yeah, that's it. Isn't that honestly, honestly, isn't that what any parent would desperately want? Why on earth would you feel that you would have to take your child out to entertain them? Because don't you feel that they're happy just being chilling at home with you? I think it's the highest compliment. I think it's the best thing ever that your child, children want to just chill at home with you.

47:53There is an element of like, it's just very overstimulating. Like it's, I am, I know mum doesn't like a label. I am autistic. Like that is genuinely what I am. I love being around people until I don't.

48:05Louise: Some people might, if they don't know that about you or about this condition, that they might think, oh, that person's being rude. but in fact it is just the way that you are yeah it's the way you're built and i think that i'm really proud of you for sharing you did a great post actually a week or so a couple of weeks ago talking about adhd and even when i read it i was like oh that actually makes me feel better about some of my strange behaviors so said i've got a family that are really supportive but um yeah louise used to have a go at me when i used to get up from the table yeah up until really quite recently because I didn't really understand it I was like well I put all of this effort in to well not all because I've been difficult as well sometimes I put effort in to hang out with family and you know and you and you do those things and and I don't leave the table and go and like read a paper whereas I might want to like sit downstairs and watch Real Housewives but I feel like that would be like really selfish because I can't just leave and so I always questioned why Sam was able to do that both like inside why he would feel like it was appropriate whatsoever to do it but also how people just like let him do it but now I completely get it and I think I think balancing act as well no no but I think it's also it's actually really nice because you're you basically we're like your safe space so you can come around and be whatever version you need to be around us and that's and that's so okay and you and you need it you need to have that place where you can go around and just be yourself.

49:36Be safe.

49:37Louise: So I let our audience know that you guys are going to be coming in and they've sent some questions in. And actually, we get epic questions, but I thought I'd let you do the honors. Oh! I bet they're better than the ones we get. Right, who's the favourite child? Is that the first one? Who's the favourite child? I already know. You're both. Oh, fuck off. I used to be mums, but I'm not anymore because I don't put enough effort in. Why do you not put more effort in? No, no, I should. I'm not saying like, yeah, I should be putting more. I know you prefer Louise now. No, mum's so fair that that's absolute, that you would always be the same.

50:08Definitely dads. That's not true. I think I can still hold a little bit. I think I can claw mum away from you a little bit. But dad, I've lost him. I think I have been mum's favourite in the past. Because I used to be shouty. Don't try and be on the fence. Look, it's fine that I was your favourite. It's cool. Like, it's all good. I would always be your little soldier.

50:26Louise: Sam's like the little gentle one. You punched dad once. We spoke about that on the podcast. And you're still dad. I've never punched you. Well, obviously. Oh, yeah, I thought you were talking about me. Right. Thoughts on Sam's glow up? Sam's glow up? With a photo. There is absolutely buttons. That. Oh, poor Sam. I just can't. I think that your glow up has been fantastic. Do you know what's weird? You're reverse ageing. This is the annoying thing about men. is you ain't a fine wine. You just like, look, and I don't want to sound creepy, like fancy or anything, but you do kind of like just grow into your confidence and your looks.

51:11Louise: No, we do. And actually, every time you go through a breakup, you have like a little bit more of a glow up. So keep them coming, I'd say. Let's move on to the next. That is nasty. No, you're looking really, you actually are looking really healthy. I think I've hit, and I'm on the decline, I think again, the peak of what, last year, really had to level up. really had to level up comfortable now uh yeah i i was i was i was i remember you know obviously last year was was a year and um and i remember waking up sort of doing all of that and being like look in the mirror like mate you look pretty dicey and i remember i remember so well and i went go to the gym buy some clothes get a haircut and it was one of the best things i've ever done like look i think we all know i'm not a 10 but like to be to be able to move from like maybe a six to maybe a seven, I'm over the moon with.

52:01Louise: I love how realistic that is. No, no, I know where I stand. Mate, ten's personality. People often talk about your glow up. I think looking at that picture, it's quite clear that I've had a glow up as well. I look like a polar bear. You are doing something weird with your mouth. I just, there's been many phases. I used to have really funny eyebrows. I went through some really bad eyebrow phases. We should actually dig out some photos. I feel quite sorry for you, actually, because this is like a really weird one. Oh, God. I always knew I was butters right so like let me land let me land with this I thought butters was a good no I was clapped I was mum how is butters ever going to be good how have you tell me you haven't been going tell me you haven't been going up to your mates I thought it must be a positive thing no it's like butt rough like you look like an arse mum if you've been going up to your friends being like you look butters you look like a butthead but I've always known I was pretty clapped I'm so stoked this right so like so like for me I've never had the pressure.

52:58I've never had pressure on like looking good because it's just never been my strength, right? Whereas Louise, but also as a female who's on a reality show, like amongst other like females and everyone's like trying to get like women's health and all that kind of shit. I was never in the running for men's health. I thought you were going to say you're never in the running for women's health. Well, never in the running for women either. But like, so I was never in the conversation. Like Louise is always dating the cool guy of whatever. I never had that. So like I never had the pressure. So like I could just be the funny guy.

53:30And so I've never had to do the weird mouth Louise is doing this.

53:37Louise: You know what's so funny? I've never had to do whatever that is that she's doing there. Show me the photo again. It's been deleted. But I've never had to do that pose. I just have to smile and just go, because like I've never been competing with like the good looking dudes, you know? And every time I do, I remember that my jishy cloths still don't sell. everyone go and buy this guy's bloody dish i am topless in it and by the way i gym in that era do you know what's funny though because when you were saying that story i thought you were going to be like oh but because you said you felt a bit sorry for me so you've not continued no i feel like the feeling sorry is that i was also a six just trying to be a seven yeah i'm sorry because you didn't realize you were butters but i did i thought that's where you go you were like i didn't try and i gave up on that like bless Louise was also a six and wasted so much energy trying to compete with the other girls which I kind of feel is actually the truth what I meant was is that you I feel like had to like try and push all of you girls were trying to push to a certain standard oh it sucks being a woman out there in the reality TV world which I feel as your brother I feel really like that must have sucked because for me I just never even I went the other way I really didn't even bother at all so who fancies Pete more your mum or Louise I imagine this is a question for me that's hilarious uh who fancies Pete more mum or Louise I'd have to say mum yeah good thank you um I think that I think that there have been times where I brought Pete round and mum is very like oh Pete didn't need anything like and it's just and and to be fair Pete adores you like Pete absolutely yeah he you No, he loves you.

55:21And he's very protective over you as well, to be fair. I love him. And he's very protective over our family. We've kind of adopted Pete. Yeah, I love him. You know? I mean, Pete's obviously got his beautiful mum, Tracy. I love Tracy, by the way. Also, I feel like, you know, as brothers and sisters go and stuff like that, I feel like we've kind of taken him into the fold. He still hasn't agreed to come to any barbecues that I invite him.

55:40Louise: Why not? Pete loves playing hard to get. Like, it's a good game to play. Whereas I will just, I will turn up to anything. Well. And then leave to read a newspaper. but I think I think mum fancies Pete a little bit more I just to clarify this do not fancy Pete I like him a lot I don't fancy him I like the way you had to clarify I know that's a weird thing now you sound offensive why do you exactly no no guys come on I have a very hunky fiance yeah yeah why are you protesting so much but I do find he's got an aura about him that's like a little bit intimidating yeah and that's what people like And it's when people do play hard to get, it fucking annoys me because I don't know if you like me.

56:23Louise: And it then does make you try harder. Next one. Someone messaged me yesterday. Sorry, can I just quickly say one thing on that Pete thing? Now you sound like you do fucking fancy. So a video went out when I received the dishy cloth for my birthday present. Cheers, guys. And someone, probably one of your listeners, she sent a message underneath being like, Pete will never fancy you. You love yourself too much. But like, so Pete has like this like bandwagon of this like army of women. If you add PVC trousers, thrusting and doing a dog show, you amalgamate that into tattoos, long hair and riding motorbikes.

57:05You would be surprised at how many people you appeal to. So that's the blueprint.

57:14Louise: If anyone out there is listening. Dogs, PVC trousers and a bad boy image. I love dogs. Well, see, that's why it's worked for her. Yeah, it will get you. Why do you think I'm still with him? Is Sam how you thought he'd be as an uncle to Leo? Good question. I feel like it's like constantly a relationship that's in flux. I'd say that you're actually like a much better uncle than I thought you'd be. As in like, why is that that face? How bad do you think I was going to be? No, I thought like, I thought, because you're a very busy person. like that's just a fact like that's not i'm not grilling you now you are just super busy and you have you're spinning so many plates and um looking after like kids is really tough and requires like quite a lot of energy and like bandwidth and attention and you dedicate a lot of time to him which is really i'm really really grateful for and i feel so lucky to live like right next to all my favourite people.

58:20Louise: Yeah. And I think that that's really cool. And you're really fun. I do have a bit of feedback for you because he did actually talk about you when we were away. Oh my God, this is terrifying. It is terrifying. He actually said, this is like quite a grown up remark. Yeah, go on. And I think like we should take most of our advice from kids. Yeah. Yeah. But he was like, sometimes Sam is too loud. I think you're overstimulating him sometimes. I'm too loud. It's quite a, I didn't know how that was then. He actually meant that. I think he knows it. I'm too loud for a kid. That is awful. From where I'm stood in my relationship with Leo, because obviously he's got a few words to say.

58:59Maybe I've got a few words to say. You know, I do think he's quite on and off sometimes. I think he can change that. He can maybe dial it down a little bit. I think he can change that a little bit. You know, if we're doing feedback, I do feel like sometimes when I walk in He might stop saying bloody hell I feel like Mum let me land here I feel like when I walk in sometimes because he's sometimes my best mate and I'm like we're best buds and then sometimes I walk in and he'll like be really coy with me I think he does it on purpose because he knows it affects me because he hears me because I then go why are you doing that and he like smiles and he smirks he smirks and he smirks at me from standing behind Ryan's leg and I'm like why are you suddenly being really coy and he's like I'm not and I'm like you are and then like he makes me feel like I'm sometimes like why do you now suddenly I feel like you're like you're testing me like one of my favourite thing I mean this with my whole heart one of my favourite moments of life is going to his nursery to pick him up without you or Ryan and him turning around and beaming at me.

1:00:12Yeah, exactly. And smiling and running towards me. And he's like started doing that quite a bit now. And like, and he like runs towards me. And he's like, Uncle Sam. And I'm like, yes. Best feeling in my life. Like I never knew I could love anyone so much. And I'm literally like, oh my God, I just adore you. The next day I walk in, he's just like, and I'm like, have I done something wrong? But maybe I'm just a bit too loud. But yeah.

1:00:39Louise: I think it's just a loudness, mate. just let's try a different tempo and tone well he's got to work on a few things himself as well I'll pass on I actually will pass back the message no no don't do that no no no no no you just told me no no don't actually because I really don't want him thinking there no because I need to I need to crack this myself maybe you need to have a one on one conversation I'll tell you I'll give you some advice come round just have like a quiet moment just take him off don't say anything play with a few toys with him in the playroom and just say I'm sorry that you think I've been a little bit loud would you like me to talk a little bit quieter i'm gonna do it next question is this i think this is the final question this is probably the most important question of all um and this this is a question for both of you weirdly actually it's direct towards mum but you've turned into one of the ways um my opinion it goes sam's opinion on karen's and karen defending karen's Mum how do you feel about the fact that Karen is a negative Yeah I I don't even know what to say Because it's just so shocking to me Obviously my name is Karen I don't think I'm a very negative person I hear it banded around as a derogatory comment But I have no clue what People actually What exactly does it mean I can give you a perfect example Please do I'd like to speak to the manager Quite useful actually No, it's if you're a Karen now.

1:02:01So like, it's the kind of person who is making an issue out of something in life that doesn't need to be made an issue out of. Okay, well at least you've now described and explained what it is. I don't actually think you're a Karen, by the way, Mum.

1:02:13Louise: And by the way, how did they ever pick the name Karen? Sam, you do always say that I'm like Mum and that we're both Karens. Well, you're becoming quite Karen. But Karen's the kind of person who, right, I'll park my car and someone will be like, I'm really sorry, but like, that's my parking space. Well, Mum does actually do that. She does have a parking space. But it's not your parking space. I do actually get quite cross. She does say she ever parks outside my car. But why? Because it's everyone's road. Because they're parking there because they can see I've got CCTV cameras outside and so they just dump there.

1:02:40I don't mind if they're moving it every... Because they leave them there. But I really want to get back onto the Karen situation because you just skirted over that. I don't think it's...

1:02:51Louise: It actually does really suck. Imagine if it was a Louise. Imagine if it was a Sam. That's so off key. I think we should rename it actually. the male version of a Karen is now called a Sam is there a male version because there certainly should be one of course there's not a male version a Kevin oh he does actually call it a Kevin Kevin or a Keith okay but what do you think because you obviously use it quite often like oh you're such a Karen he's such a perpetrator what goes through your mind do you never does it never occur to you does it you're not even listening to me it's because you might be quite slow with your chat I haven't said a word for the last half an hour sorry carry on does it not go through your mind every time you're throwing this accusatory sort of, you know, your own mother's name out there.

1:03:34Does it never occur to you? Do you know what? It doesn't, and I probably should. I probably should think about that a little bit more.

1:03:40Louise: Thank you. Who's the OG Karen? In fact, you could just like really, really lean into the Karen thing and be like, I am the Karen. I think you should create an Instagram account that is like, Karen. Just name it that and be like as Karen-y as you can. Because I actually think a lot of the traits of a Karen are actually really good. That's because you're a Karen. you threatened to call the council on me he's lying Sam said on live TV and now I'm going to sue him you shouldn't have said that on live TV what if somebody in the works and the council saw it but what you both just said there is Kareny what you just said you shouldn't have done that like it's fine Louise went I'm going to sue you when you get a letter through the post from the council they've seen it on the TV Sam basically just put this like massive air conditioning unit right outside my front window it's a little off key by the way he didn't ask permission She actually backed him.

1:04:29Louise: No. She'd hate it. I didn't. You'd be a Karen. Can you imagine that this is a full adulthood? I even get brought into this as well. You know, Louise, right, saying, this is outrageous. You've got to talk to Sam. He can't possibly. How old are you? How else are we going to resolve an issue? Yeah, do you know what Louise did as well? This is good. I've been the peacekeeper my entire life. Louise. That time I handed over the battle. Louise then went, she tried to then palm it off onto the neighbour. and I then marched over to... Did you go to the neighbour and say, were you complaining? No, no, no.

1:05:01I said to Sam that they'd complained. She went, the neighbours have complained, to which I then marched over to the neighbour, knocked on the neighbour's door, and went, sorry, my sister said that you're complaining about my aircon unit. He then went, I don't know, I didn't even know you had an aircon unit. I went, interesting. Marched straight back down to Louise's and went, I just spoke to the neighbour. That's hilarious. And then, do you know what's so funny? You were caught out. This is mad. And then, and then.

1:05:28Louise: That's so funny. And then after that, that argument made the press. Did it? Yeah, that argument. What, Sam obviously leaked it. Oh, has it? Louise and Sam, Louise and Sam in like, what was it? Like not as close as they used to be or something. Yeah, I think it was like a feud. Oh, in a feud. It's so funny because it lasted like a week. That was a real serious like neighbourly issue that we had there. Yeah. No, I was very close to like lighting dog shit. and then like put it outside a door. Someone, you sent, oh my God. Sam sent me dog poo in a bag. What? I know. Yeah. I didn't know it existed.

1:06:07Louise: Yeah. Maybe like nine months ago. What? I never said anything. Don't be silly. When I opened that, at first I was like, what is this? I thought it was like branded gifting. And I was like, oh, it's like compost or something. Like there must be some seeds or something in here. And then I opened it and I was like, I was actually so stunned when I opened it because I'm working on a lot of political stuff at the moment. Genuinely, I was like, I've now got like political hate stuff. And I really panicked. Like I couldn't even say it out loud. I couldn't even tell Ryan. And then I was like, oh my God, Ryan.

1:06:37Louise: Like, I think that we're going to get like, start going like, we're going to get targeted. It was just your brother. No one said anything. And it literally like came, what was, I don't even know what, there was a message. It could, for some reason, like I couldn't pin it down to being you because there was no like clear, slight nod, like funny nod to Sam. he never even mentioned it he never even mentioned it and if you would like me to send you some shit please send your address weirdly like I actually felt really like violated when that happened because also if you told me like a week or so after I'd be like oh thank god it was you I genuinely thought that I was going to have to get like live in security in the house listen guys can I just ask why did you send me that well I sent it to you because I just couldn't believe there was a website it was actual poo Yeah, gorilla shit.

1:07:25I sent, and I couldn't believe that you could actually do this. So how many people

1:07:30Louise: did you send it to? You and Pete. Was it just me? Did Pete comment on it? No, Pete's so used to it. Pete actually opened it, threw it in the bin and went, that was from Sam, didn't even mention it to me. So I did the same. But I sent him pig shit. But I reckon he also felt violated. No, he literally opened it up. I said to him, I went, have you received anything in the post recently? He went, I know you sent the shit. And I went, So he didn't mention it to you. But like, why, But why did you not send me the chaser message saying, did you receive anything right in the post? Because I then... Opens up a company that does that.

1:08:00Well, clearly a very lucrative company because people like me are all over it. I sent two batches and it's not cheap.

1:08:06Louise: That is so off key. They have to go and collect the dung. How much did it cost you? Like 50 quid each. I had gorilla crap all over... I can't believe that. So, you know, you can see... That is absolutely hilarious. You can put me in the big chair, but at the end of the day... Listen, Karen, I'm going to actually put that on next door. All I can say, Sam, is actually you better watch out. Don't say that because now I'm panicking. Now I'm freaking out. You wouldn't do anything. You don't have it in your locker. You don't have it. You're too nice. You're too nice. You don't have it in your locker.

1:08:39Buttering you up. No, I can't use that. What do you see? Buttering. No, buttering is fine. It's not buttering. We're never going to finish this podcast.

1:08:47Louise: Yeah, okay, anyway, guys, thank you. Thanks for coming in. This has been a great chat. Quite nervous to come and do this. Were you? Your what? Yeah, but your podcast is traditionally quite deep. And I've really enjoyed it. Thank you. Yeah, I've really enjoyed it. I have too. It's always lovely just spending time with you. And if this is the way I get to spend time with both of you, then bring it on. You may bum cry. The more the better. Oh, yes, you do. Sorry about that. Isn't that exciting? Yeah, don't make it. So watch this again. Mum, we are going on a trip together. I know. Sam's actually agreed to a trip.

1:09:21Watch this space.

1:09:22Louise: We'll do a little debrief afterwards. And we'll film it. Love you guys. Thank you for listening. Thank you. Blimey.