Where we’re REALLY at with our fertility journey…

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1:00Louise: Yeah, it's just, they really know their market. I think because it's quite tanned, isn't it? I've noticed that you've got a fake tattoo on your foot. Well, I drew that this morning. I also drew one on my leg. Wait, what is that? A ball with antlers? I don't know. I did it with my left hand, so it's completely... What is it? There's nothing. What do you mean it's nothing? It has to be something. Let's go with a tomato with antlers. I want some new leg I've written the words it's a feeling but I've turned it into a smiley face good do you think that's a tatty that you're getting actually it's more one of these tongue out they're like a Sam's got loads of new tattoos oh yeah he keeps showing them off any excuse just come round here he's like come on girls then have a look at my arm and he's only got them on one arm which he's got a bone noodles and a carton of milk and I'm like The rest of them, I kind of see where you were going with it.

1:56But the bowl of noodles and a carton of milk, I'm...

1:58Louise: It's like emojis, isn't it? I don't know what I think of that, really. I couldn't imagine myself having one. Well, we had a failed attempt, didn't we, on your birthday? We have to go back to a different spot. Yeah, I think I'm good, actually, to be honest. I think, you know, last episode we spoke about leaning into our authentic selves. And... Not for you? I think, actually, it's not for me. and I feel okay with saying that now I'm not really a tattoo-y person I don't need to try and be cooler than I am I don't need to tarnish my body what's the saying why would you put a bumper sticker on a Ferrari that is the saying I guess my bumper sticker anyway is my stoma bag Winnie so I could put stickers on her yeah she's disposable I only wear her for a day it'd be heavy work so we've got about four months left of this year just to give you a little reminder.

2:53Louise: Oh, God. That's actually quite scary. We're basically into Q4, aren't we? I guess. Is that September, October, November, December? But wait, Q4 is, there's four quarters of three months, so we're actually not. I guess Q4 is October. Let me rephrase. We are fast approaching Q4. You sound like you own a big business there, Ryan. Well, I don't. Thanks for bringing the heat with that. Have you achieved everything you want to so far this year? Hang on. this is my like my question to you is what would you like to achieve in the last four months i basically i just can't believe that we're about to step into autumn and i'm like only smokes because in my mind as soon as summer closes out i'm like oh christmas is gonna be here real fast it's funny that you mentioned about autumn because i think it might be a bit of a an older person thing to enjoy the autumn and the winter no i absolutely love once you're hormones get a bit mangled.

3:50Louise: You can't really temperature regulate anymore. And I slightly feel like that's where I'm at. It's been unbearable, the heat waves that we've had in August and I'm ready for a change in season. And also I think from the self-conscious point of view, it's just nice to wear, to be able to cover up these old arms and not have to bother with things like waxing and spray tans. Have you ever had a wax before? No. Ever, never, anywhere? No, but I don't really warrant such a treatment. I'm not particularly hairy. Well, actually, I did put the nose waxing plugs up your nose once, remember? That was so satisfying to see those little follicles.

4:25That was actually wild. You can do that again if you want.

4:27Louise: Oh, lucky me. Like popping the spot on your back, that one bit. Maybe we should wax you. A back sack and a crack. How's that sound? That must be painful, surely. Should we get you down to Svetlana down the road? She's long. She packed up way, way back. Did she? oh it's been a while since i've been there i've never had a no i've never had that occasionally you will shave your something and no but not a wax i don't even know is that quite literally will pour hot wax on you slap a bit of paper and um you can do the hot wax yeah i think they do like the hot there's kind of two different waxes i sometimes just do waxing straps at home i've done them in front of leo what have you used on that because that's quite effective okay you quite like that do you well i certainly don't like hairy armpits yeah and then they're and they're like kind of bald now there's a few little thin hairs what did you use so i've used some waxing strips they're actually from feet and they are they are better than shaving because i get that shadow much like your facial hair so if i wax have you have you been to a shop and got on all fours and be like i'll take the full works is that what women do i actually haven't been on all fours so far.

5:44Is that what women do? Hang on, this is why, because men will need to know the answer to this.

5:48Louise: Okay. Do you say I'd like you to wax my butt my crack and my... No, you would call before and make an appointment or book online and choose the option. I find it personally easier if I go somewhere where English isn't the first language and people haven't watched me on TV when they're about to see my vagina. That's why they exist. Well, yeah, I don't know. And I think different nationalities do have different techniques. Right. Again, I still need more detail. The place down the road is actually iconic. So people travel for half an hour to go there because they're that good. For what? They're very quick for a bikini wax.

6:26Okay. So do you have a bikini on or do you get, wait, just stop. I need to know the answer.

6:30Louise: Okay. Because I'm amazed that you guys have the balls to do this. Like men would not go into a shop, drop trowel and be like, let's go to town and get rid of all this fur. Where would you put your willy and your balls? Well, where do you put your... Well, you don't really have to hold it, do you? So it's just, I guess if you did your willy, you'd have to like cluck up it in your hand. Sorry, just give you a little biology lesson. There's not much hair on the actual willy. No, that's what I mean. You need to keep it out of the way of the fluffy bits. Which, by the way, can you stop removing in the sink?

7:04Sorry, what? I was thinking about a fluffy willy sink.

7:06Louise: Can you stop removing your fluffy willy in the sink? I'm not doing that in the sink. do that in the shower mate oh that's why we've got plumbing problems um so yeah options are bikini waxes just leave your pants on and like a little bit of a moving in from the inside right right then you've got the what do they call that Brazilian no that's just called a bikini wax so that's the sort of tame version and then you can go with just tell me about the explicit version so then it's basically like yeah Brazilian maybe they leave like a landing strip and all just all off. And then... Sometimes they'll just do it actually without even asking and you're like...

7:45And are you standing up at this point?

7:46Louise: No, lying down. Standing up. Standing up for a bikini wax. What's it? They're literally... That would be even more obvious that their face is like... They'd have to be squatting down by your regime. Do they wear masks? I bet these people wear masks. Not even because of like any like COVID or whatever. They're just like... And underneath there, they're dying with embarrassment, aren't they? I don't think masks, but gloves, yes. no not gloves it's been a long time do they tell you to flip over onto all fours and I've not done the arsehole wax on all fours I know I kind of want to see this happen actually I no I just lie on my back this is wild I mean kudos to you guys I know or you can get someone to come around the house through one of the how about this for an idea how about you just do it yourself okay okay okay how about you do it yourself it is so painful I've got a good idea in fact ahead of next week's episode I'm going to You wax your bum crack.

8:39Louise: And then we can get a report on a scale out of one to 10. Why don't you do laser removal surgery? That's really good. That's what people that are very patient and have lots of money or lots of time do. Oh, does it cost a lot of money? It is very expensive. Yeah. I think you get like packages. I actually did that once. Do you know what's really bad is when I was in Edinburgh. God, I can't believe I'm saying this. This is the worst thing I've ever done. So my, basically, I had like one hair on my face when I was in Edinburgh and I decided to get a laser removal package. Okay. And in order for laser removal to work, you have to shave the area.

9:18Louise: So wherever it is, like the hand, your leg, vagina, your face, your head. Your time is that you shaved your face. So they then shaved my face. And now I actually have lots of hairs on my face because I never kept up with it. because I wasn't going to go every couple of months or every month, I can't remember, to go and get this laser machine on my face. I was way too busy. I know what it is on your face. You've got one there, haven't you? Yeah, I know. It's hideous. You've never told me that until now. Thank God for this podcast. Yeah. Why don't you let me get at it? Yeah, well, let's just take them all out.

9:54I'll tweezer it out.

9:55Louise: Also, I think as you get older, just again, like post-trauma, hair falls out on your face, it grows in unwanted places on your body. You haven't got hair on your face. You've got one pore that's got like a little... Well, if you could help me out with it, that would be nice. I'm really glad that we've crossed this bridge now because I've kind of been holding on to it for a while. But yeah, I wouldn't recommend doing that. And I was slightly scarred, so I haven't done it on the rest of my body. But I did try and buy one of those laser removal machines to do it at home. Right. And back in the day when I was doing it, the technology was different.

10:26Louise: So it was a really small laser like this big. So doing that across your whole leg, and it feels like you're electrocuting yourself, burning. The hair is quite sore. And you know, I don't love to sit still. So even with my favorite TV show on in the background, it's not that joyful. I'm excited to wax your balls though. How do men get their balls waxed? Do you have to hold, stretch out the skin? Oh God, we're going there. Again, I've never had a wax, so I couldn't tell you about waxing. Surely you could just pluck them. There's not many on a bollock, is there? Not really, no. There's such an absurd episode so far.

11:06I don't think you can wax ball sacks.

11:08Louise: No, you can. Back sack and crack. Wait, back sack. What? Charlie's like, I've confirmed you can. The sack is the ball. Yeah, back sack, crack. I'm living in a naive existence over here. Okay, let's go to Svetlana's. Let's have an outing. Oh my God, should we do it? I'll bring some ammunition for this podcast. Perfect. I'm going to message Louisa and say, can you book Ryan? and oh my god should we get should we no I actually couldn't do it can I actually message her and see what her reaction is when I say would you mind booking Ryan in for a back sack and a crack at Svetlana's down the road oh my god do it for the lols do it for the lols right so I'm glad we've covered that ground you haven't answered my first question which was about 38 minutes ago oh okay what do I want to achieve for the rest of the year this is a serious question okay four months of the year what would you like to achieve between now and then as in Christmas you know well i really wanted to bring out a really cool product for christmas don't hesitate by the way i haven't hesitated why are you saying that well because i want you to give it some all right okay well top line i really wanted to bring out a cool christmas product in collaboration with the brand but i don't think i've been organized to do it this year i'm doing a little edit shouldn't make all my goals about work though um I feel as though I should freeze my fertility before the end of the year what does that mean freeze your fertility what do you think it means fun freeze your vagina I don't know not freeze my vagina what's the actual terminology okay so I'd like to freeze some embryos for fertility preservation okay so and the reason for doing that i guess in q4 as you say is because well actually it's something that i feel i need to time well i don't know because i don't know how it's going to make me feel and i wanted to get through the summer i wanted to make sure that we had some lovely times with Leah I wanted to go on the few trips travel overseas whilst being flare-free kind of need to get that under my belt I also wanted to do the photo shoot and I know that things get really mental around Christmas time work-wise so I thought I could carve out maybe three weeks around September October to try and get something in the freezer and I have no idea how it's going to turn out so I feel apprehensive about it.

13:49Louise: To be honest, I feel fucking petrified about it but it's something that I have this very strong urge to do because I feel that there's no reason to keep kicking the can down the road. I know that we've not got particularly far with our flat rental so far. Sorry, house rental out of London which is just, I don't know, a sort of c 'est la vie situ. There's a lot of other stuff going on And I, but I would really like to find at least somewhere that we can commit to for the Christmas period. That's a great one. Somewhere really beautiful. I've had a really quick look and I was alarmed by the prices of a short term rental versus a long term.

14:30Louise: I mean, some of these Airbnbs, I think people are taking the piss, like they have to be taking the piss. so a lovely but not a substantial house maybe four bedrooms somewhere pretty some people are charging 72k for a month for you to rent a fucking house out in the sticks what the hell i know i thought we were going to be saving money getting out of out of the city but i i don't know if it's because the parameters for christmas and people just know that they can it's i think some people just chance it they're probably living there they probably don't have an intention really of letting their house up but they just threw it on it's almost teasing and they tend to be some of the kind of nicer looking ones so we might need to dig a little into that in fact if anybody that's listening knows anybody that lives in the home counties or within an hour and a half from london and in fact actually if it's going to be short term and we're going to migrate for a few weeks then it can be further it could go coastal then yeah if you've got if you've got somewhere that you would like to let to us then please do get in touch we'd love to hear from you it's pretty hard to find somewhere i actually sent you something yesterday didn't i there's this beautiful little cottage that you can rent in hailing island which i feel like is an undiscovered gem i'm about to ruin from mentioning it now it's only about an hour from from london what you could drive you drive over this bridge you're on island it's very stripped back you'd probably really like it it's rough and ready it's not actually you like all the you do like a shiny object gold shiny object it's not got that kind of like gorgeous stone facade there's a lot of pebble dash down there i suppose because it needs to survive all the wear and tear of the coast and the winds and the sea and salt air but it's it's very low-key and seasidey and it's convenient and there's a lot of sailing down there beachy stuff walks very relaxed pubs i think we should check it out what's on your list well um i do like i do share your desire to have somewhere for christmas i love the idea of making that like the christmas present to everyone sort of renting somewhere not worrying about the sort of gifts so much but just having a really epic spot where we can all have space but be in the same place yeah that's a good idea well let's work towards that then that's a nice goal to have i've got quite a few work related ones obviously i've now got a new team that i'm in the flow with ryan's got a new team guys this is actually a big deal you feel really good about this transition yeah i do yeah yeah you had a call actually last week with a potential va virtual assistant yeah how do you think you're going to find managing someone well i don't view it that way yeah it's it's a collaborative relationship it's not me managing i don't i've got no interest in managing anyone i'd like to work with someone i want to get in good shape because early next spring i want to do an iron man and that's been kind of like confirmed locked in pretty much is that where is that south africa hawaii cool what so we're all going to hawaii next spring which is you yeah we're all going boys wanted to go to hawaii but i never thought i'd be going there to do an iron man but how do you know that there's one there because i'm in talks with iron man the organization and the plan is to do a half iron man next may and then do a full one later in the summer cool so that would be your equivalent of the marathon de sabla which you did this year next year and what is an iron man that's a run a cycle and a swim uh yeah in a slightly different order but doesn't really matter yeah you swim cycle run and you're going to ask me the distance but i I actually can't remember.

18:18I can tell you that a half Ironman, the total distance in miles is 70.3. That's why it's called an Ironman 70.3.

18:26Louise: Nice. This podcast is actually really handy because I feel like I get to learn things about you and put things in the diary. I've got a bit of a medical journey to go through. God, it's sounding deep. These guys are going to be like, what the fuck is he about to say? So you mentioned that you're going to freeze some embryos with the view of starting this fertility journey. Obviously, I've got a role to play in that. And we had some appointments a few weeks ago. And I wasn't really expecting any of that conversation and time from the medical professionals to be swung at me. But it was. And I had to do some tests.

19:03I did a semen analysis, which was interesting. And the results completely were not what I was expecting because I thought I was a pretty healthy male. but my uh my results weren't healthy they were kind of at the bottom end of the bracket where you want to be as a 34 year old man that was a bit of a shock something pretty unexpected and when i got there when i got the results delivered by that doctor i kind of i didn't get i didn't get too upset by it because in truth and this is a much wider conversation for a full episode maybe i'm not sure if at that time my my my heart and mind were on the same page with this ivf journey and there was probably some sort of subliminal subconscious resistance happening in my body because my heart and mind weren't um synchronized i felt like i slightly

20:06Louise: like dragged you into those first stages to have those appointments that's not what i said i don't think you dragged me i just don't think my i don't think i was ready to go through that i think since then uh and you know i've done a lot of thinking about the idea of expanding the family and having more kids and what's involved with that and the route that we have as maybe our only option or one of our few options and i think along that journey you kind of accept a few things and yeah i guess now i'm facing what like round two of analysis so we'll see we'll i guess we'll see what's the process like then for a guy because people often put so much attention on the woman when it comes to egg freezing i don't think i don't think i've ever seen a guy on social media talk about his sperm journey whereas there are lots of women that are talking about the injections that their partner's helping them with, the process of going through that hormonal change physically and mentally, all of the different appointments, the scans, watching the follicles develop, you know, there's a lot of education actually out there around it, which I think is actually very, very helpful because if you haven't embarked on that journey before, then it can feel like a total minefield.

21:28Louise: But there are resources out there for women. But as a guy, I've never seen a guy that's spoken about sort of spunking into a cup and then the aftermath of that which bit which bit are you asking me about well i don't know all of it so it feel like quite a pressured it's a very pressured and and i suppose as you mentioned before so i want to know whether it's pressure i also want to know you mentioned the fact that you weren't expecting the results We've actually never spoken about this result. It wasn't very long ago that we did this. And I think we, kind of repeating what you said, but like we, it was really early stages of even like wrapping our heads around the idea of this and kind of meeting consultants for the first time.

22:18Louise: and I don't feel like the news was delivered particularly well but it just felt like this whirlwind so okay I guess to take it to the beginning back to the beginning what were your initial thoughts when the suggestion was made to go and spunk in a cup we did speak about this actually remember a few months ago when we were we met with that lady and we were joking about it and she was saying oh can you go and just do your business now and you're like no no no no no i need to be prepared for that how did you feel then this time the first the first example you gave is probably the best one to use as the example to like expand on because i think she was wrong to do that i think she was wrong to just quickly within the conversation like swing the spotlight on me and then ask me publicly in front of i know it's just you but she's obviously quite a well at this point she's a stranger and for her to this is just my view this is maybe oversensitive to it but she expected me to be completely at peace with the idea of just going into the next door room and doing my thing and treating it as if it was just like a transaction or like a when in reality actually like there's so much more attached to this and I don't think men have the chance to even really think about it I think the women often drive and this is not meant to be a generalized thing but it's certainly in my case I think you were driving this and I kind of got I got scooped up for the journey wasn't at all expecting to have any uh analysis at this point I thought we were just exploring like how healthy your areas were so I didn't have the um didn't have the best experience and I think because i said no to her like several times in that meeting i was like no this doesn't this doesn't really align with me this doesn't feel great i shouldn't be made to just on the one hand yes you're just asking me to do like a you know a pretty like i don't even know how to describe it but i don't think it is that normal it's not a normal thing just to get done in a day what if you're not expecting it or preparing for it i think i think the easy option here is to is to say what you just said like i'll just go and spunk in the cup but it's like it's not quite as straightforward as that for a for a bloke especially for a bloke like me like i think in the same way that i was prudish about having a wax you want to maybe negotiate it over email or at least feel like you can get the date in the diary that you want to go and do that thing that is anything but normal I don't like to over-analyze things but I feel like I'm doing exactly that in this moment okay well how did you feel then when you got the results well I told you that I think it was because there was like internal resistance yeah so I don't know we'll see I mean I've got to do it again so and then potentially start some medication I've got friends who are in the same position yeah it's one of those things that you never quite you never quite think that you'd be affected by it but you can be as healthy on the outside as you are but inside there's all sorts of imbalances and whatever else.

25:37But yeah, I don't mind talking about it because I know that there are lots of blokes who do have problems with fertility and they go on different medications and whatever else. No one talks about it. I'm very open to talk about it. So if I end up going on medication, I'll tell you more about it.

25:55Louise: I think you're very brave for even opening up a lot, to be honest. I am looped in on the emails, so I don't know how many days you need to be abstinent for before. Three to seven. And I guess, yeah, it's an interesting journey that will be going on. it's I've always thought oh it's different for men and women because because the extraction process is very different isn't it it's a lot easier for you to get your seed out than it is mine but it and just because you can then do that on numerous occasions and freeze numerous batches of sperm it doesn't make the process any less emotionally draining because every time you're getting inspected aren't you you're getting analyzed your health and your like manhood is being analyzed your your kind of condition as a human and your ability to procreate and that is really really really tough so but i and i have to say i wasn't expecting it at all i thought with everything that we've been through i i'd always thought that um i would be the major challenge in in this scenario but i guess we'll just have to see what what happens and trust in that saying it's like what's meant what's meant for us won't pass us and i don't see it as a major challenge right now no i feel like it's an exciting i think it's just an imbalance in my body that i already know is there i've had to i've been on medication anyway with this trt stuff for two years or more that's a balancing act which i know i've never quite mastered so the whole thing needs addressing well even talking about that's very very open um because not not a lot of people speak about that no so is trt the equivalent of if i had low estrogen and i was reaching the menopause i might be um treated with hrt which i guess just stands for hormone replacement therapy which is sort of a similar thing but what's trt is testosterone replacement therapy and what led you to want to go on that or to blood tests i had blood tests done when leo was not i think he was one perhaps after that first year when i was incredibly low and and just when you're aware of your physiological systems as a man are not working properly you feel lethargic you don't recover well from workouts low libido you don't get like your morning boners that most dudes do if they're healthy it's like honestly you laugh but it's like one of those like barometers of health where you're like oh i think my body's working well it's like a dog with a wet nose yeah yeah yeah yeah i always check koji and toto's noses because it's a sign of health so for a guy you want to have an rb a random boner in the morning yep that makes you feel like you're you're manning yeah but then obviously it goes deeper than that it's like you feel a bit depressed and whatever else and sleep is erratic and mood and whatever else so i knew something was wrong i had some had some blood work done which looked at hormone profile showed that my testosterone had bottomed out so it was like very very very low and i did two or three further blood tests to kind of like confirm this ended up going on a replacement uh therapy almost so um combination of testosterone with hcg and it's something you inject into your tummy very small like medical prescription amounts not even not even anything i can really like show you with finger measurements it's it's not a lot but it's um supposed to kind of re re-engage and restart that whole testosterone production it i think people will think that testosterone would like maybe turn you into a god and like muscular and like shimmer with gold but it doesn't do that it just kind of turns things on a little bit well i suppose if you are uh what's it hr trt replacing just replacing if you're adding that into your body then your body naturally stops having to produce it itself well that's the feedback loop then is altered and so that can then affect your fertility well that's why you take the hcg hcg is that's what you test for when you're when you get pregnant so in pregnancy tests or if you have the blood test to confirm the pregnancy they check your hcg levels so i think that goes up when you're pregnant which is interesting i think trauma affects all of your hormones so immensely every single doctor i've spoken to has has said yeah it's no surprise that your hormones feel like they're completely scrambled because even if it's not because you've actually got damaged that area or your ovaries or wherever it might be you going through something traumatic affects your brain it affects your pituitary and its ability to be able to regulate your hormones throughout the body if you're constantly in that fear response then things aren't everything is driven by your hormones and there has to be a bit of a fine balance between that production and regulation of different hormones in your body so if it's out of kilter which mine was and probably still is and this is why i don't see this as a major challenge because i think it can be corrected by having an andrologist someone to look at my blood work figure out like here's what we need to do for the set amount of weeks we'll retest we'll go again and can you find a good so is it called an andrologist because i always thought hormones was endocrinologist but andrologist maybe specializes in oh androgen so male hormones so maybe you could find like a guy that you really love and trust so feminine of me but someone that you really respect that can help you then on that journey to get you rebalanced again so you feel like old ryan like old healthy masculine ryan i know that i'm on a bit of a quest to do the same the other way around but i'm not able because my estrogen levels are really low but I if I'm going to do any fertility treatment that's going to throw everything out of balance anyway so I wouldn't be able to do any replacement therapies prior to that but I do think the trauma hormone balance is interesting I know one of our good friends um was in a fairly traumatic accident actually I know a few people a couple of people that have been in traumatic accidents vehicle accidents at an age that was pivotal for for growth and development.

32:37Actually, I know three people, men. And it basically halted their testosterone production

32:46Louise: and it affected their growth. And there were obvious signs. And so they had to supplement with it medically in big ways, in big doses. And one person, I hope they won't mind me mentioning, they had to actually freeze their fertility at a really young age because if they were going to be replacing it long term it might shut down the ability to do that naturally a lot i think a lot of men do these days look at their testosterone levels with more of a magnifying glass really i think testosterone replacement for men will become more of a normal accepted thing and the trouble is not many men want to reveal it because the instant assumption is that you're trying to sort of almost walk the line of performance enhancement because they associate testosterone with anabolic steroids but this is not that this is not that at all this is a small measurement that is designed to basically kick start your test your testicles to produce a natural production of testosterone.

34:01Louise: Yeah. Well, sorry, that in conjunction with the HCG. So yeah, I mean, listen, I know there's a lot of men who take this, even people I know and know of and, you know, six degrees of what's it called? Separation. Yeah. I can get to anyone with that theory. As in like, there's so many people in my world. Yeah. If not the first one, the second one, or the sixth one away. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, this could end up falling into this kind of territory of me, like, I don't know, breaking down walls and talking about it for men. Yeah. And we're really very much at the beginning of that. Do you know one thing that popped into my head when I was talking to some people about this and including someone that froze their, I just say fertility because it's kind of gender neutral, but I know that it sounds really silly.

34:48Louise: So either their eggs or their sperm, young. it made me think, I wonder whether in like 20 years time, everybody will just freeze their eggs or sperm when they're 18. Then because it's becoming so much more readily available, so much safer, more financially accessible, the technology is so much better. There's now an AI clinic that we've had conversations with where they can literally map out all of the sperm and they have all of these systems where they kind of green light some of them and red some of them and then they can use ICSI and literally inject the sperm the ones that they think because of loads hundreds of thousands of data points worth of AI they can choose that that best performing sperm and put it into an egg whether to especially given that we now have a declining well the pop you know we've got a bit of a population crisis because a lot of people aren't having children until much later because they're focusing on their career and wanting to get to a certain stage in life before procreating whether people will it will become the norm to freeze to freeze stuff younger probably will be and then you can buy loads of time and then you know even end up perhaps like someone like my cousin who is awesome and i'd love to actually get on the podcast she has a company called the ivf network which is a really amazing resource for people that are going through whatever kind of fertility journey it is um she just had her second child at 49 which is incredible

36:19Louise: and she's obviously been through a lot to get to that place which is why she's she's created this entire brand to help other people um but yeah maybe maybe we'll see the trends really changing basically the matrix is going to become true then oh is that is that the matrix kind of batteries of like humans in pods is that what happens i think we've um kind of stumbled into of a topic that is really huge not just for us but it's just a huge topic and we should probably revisit this when we've got more information about our own stats and results and maybe more we can confidently give more direction because we've lifted the lid on something that's very close to us right now so i think we should just park it yeah revisit it see how this lands with people who listen to the episode yeah see if it see if it generates any discussions with men or women hopefully it does at boars head we've been going back to school for over 115 years and this year every school lunch is reason to celebrate with the flavors your kids love and the exceptional quality you expect helping you make school lunch fresh easy and delicious Ring the bell.

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38:07Louise: I think I just don't feel as though like given what we've just spoken about I feel like I'm kind of almost learning things from you for the first time and then going into a listener submission just feels a bit jarring so I think I'd rather just ram this episode off now and move on and revisit next next Wednesday yeah or Monday in between with the AUA yeah holler thank you guys so much for listening as always and um this is a very non-judgmental space between two people that are going through a lot of things that i'm sure will be familiar with people what i would like to add quickly is that i have a lot of guy friends who have been through pretty horrendous journeys with what we've just lifted the lid on but those conversations are very private and very closed off if there's any guy who listens to what we've just spoken about or woman of course and you want to reach out either direct to our own instagram or the podcast instagram or the email address for the podcast which will be in the show notes don't hesitate to do that because for anyone, men or women, like, you will find a very, very safe and secure place to have a conversation with both myself and Louise.

39:28And, you know, hopefully by seeing this episode, and by the way, none of this has been prepared. This was like shooting straight from the hip. But we're very open to the conversation and I guess it kind of threads into the whole purpose of this podcast.

39:48Louise: Thank you. Thank you.

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