


A Q&A-style chat about parenting play (especially whether dads should do “imaginary play”), plus broader questions about anonymity/invisibility, authenticity, and whether their son Leo should watch “Made in Chelsea.”
Ryan (dad; shy at school; does coloring/drawing with Leo; prefers active play like ball-throwing/picnics over floor-based imaginary play). Another speaker (partner; more comfortable with imaginary play like tea parties; shares Leo’s swimming-pool ball-throwing in Greece; emphasizes different “male/female” play energies).
Don’t worry if you’re not great at imaginary play—other caregivers can cover it. Authentic joy from the dad rubs off. Leo should learn to be 100% himself, not perform a facade.
Leo’s fake coffee machine; ball-bullseye throws in Greece; coloring/pencil time; advice to “relax” and let others contribute. “Made in Chelsea” is discussed as something Leo might watch later, potentially to learn from their mistakes.
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The hosts share light-hearted banter about their recording setup and beauty routines.
The hosts discuss what they would do if they had 24 hours of anonymity.
A humorous take on what it would be like to spend time in prison and the curiosity it sparks.
“You mentioned about going into someone's house.”
The hosts discuss different styles of play and how dads can engage with their children.
The hosts reflect on what lessons their son might learn from their reality TV past.
“relax in doing that also the more the more authentic joy you get from it as the dad it will rub off in a better way, more lasting way.”
A look back at funny and cringeworthy party costumes from their time in the spotlight.
The hosts reminisce about past party experiences and costumes.
“Like weird sort of spiritual elf-like creatures.”
Discussion on the values and authenticity they want Leo to learn.
“Mate, I had so many scenes about Sophie Herman being like, ooh, is he going to go with Sophie?”
Exploring aspirations for Leo's career and lifestyle.
The hosts discuss the joy of tapping into their inner child.
“I think the reason people like it is because everyone actually secretly like has a bit of that in them and they all wish, want to do that.”
Encouraging listeners to follow their passions despite judgment.
“I think the next video we recruit a few more people, maybe get Pete in there, Leo in there.”

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1:00Louise: a show and tell of my skin game well that's actually on purpose because sometimes when we're sat on these little chairs i'll have like a laptop or something slung behind the chair or a phone or maybe like a little mirror just to adjust my hair because it's just looks a bit floppy sometimes and you've copied me which is the cutest thing in the world you've got a little wash bag a man having a wash bag especially like a colorful quilted one is really sweet that's not for touch-ups mid-record that is because i wanted to do a show and tell i actually thought it was for touch-ups no like um i'll give i'll give you a full i'll give you a full rundown on my my well i might not ask you about your hair proddies it's not hair skin okay all right should we get started with some questions that you guys sent in then yeah yeah ryan if you had 24 hours to be totally anonymous anonymous what would you do this is probably different to like being invisible right so if you were in if you had an invisibility cloak what would you do so it's basically saying you could do something and get away with it and no one would know it was that's exactly what it is which you'd probably quite like because you're actually a bit of a baddie you're a baddie you're ursula that came on in the car the other day without you there and i was like oh you should be loving this if you were a disney baddie actually which baddie would you be we know which goodie you'd be as you know he's a baddie you'd be gaston oh that's a great one yeah who eats 12 dozen eggs right yeah to help him get large gaston gaston is that how it goes yeah okay anyway back to the question invisibility cloak orders an anonymity oh gosh do you have an answer for this what would i do 24 hours it's actually a long time frame I'd probably go and just spend the day in like a prison or something I guess the anonymity bit for us is important because some people do know who we are so it would be quite nice to have the freedom of walking around and just enjoying never being recognized and just being like total slob I'd probably for starters I'd walk around looking like utter shit so I'd have no makeup on no hair and I would wear like a Steve Jobs outfit just the comfiest thing possible then I would I might go and like spend the day in a prison you've done that in oh my god I did South America I was gonna say because I'm petrified of being in prison myself but I really like the idea of going and spending some time in prison and working isn't there like a celebrity's like or someone famous's house that you'd like to just cruise through and like no one knows you're there so you could observe right whose house would you go into I don't know I'll tell you what I'd like to go and fucking box up Putin's face in the middle of the night and he'd be like, what's happening right now?
3:42Where am I?
3:43Louise: Okay, jokes, good. You're a vigilante. Yes. You mentioned about going into someone's house. I wouldn't mind going into the Beckham's house and just like seeing really what's up. Would you look at his schnitzel? Oh my God, that's not my first thought. I'm more thinking about like text messages or just seeing whether they've actually fallen out with Brooklyn and - Speaking of Brooklyn, no. Oh, you saw them the other day? I saw Romeo on the King's Road. Yeah. Ryan literally hopped into the car and was like, I saw Romeo earlier. He's so handsome. I saw him and his bro and I was like, holy schmo. And they were just walking out, regular dudes, no bodyguards.
4:16Louise: Nice. Good for them. Yeah. They should be allowed to do that without being accosted. Yeah. It's part of growing up, being able to live a little. I would go into prison though and I would just, because I used to love watching Prison Break, also Orange is the New Black. Like I'd be interested to see whether people actually do end up like hooking up. I would want to just see all of that tomfoolery. fair enough people like smuggling things in their bums and and right so you'd want to be observing all that would you i just observe yeah i'd actually love to do that anyway moving on to the next question i love my son a lot but i struggle to do the imaginary play thing i can't really engage with that kind of play what do you do um well you're very good at that style of play this is from a man by the way yeah i suppose it's quite interesting because i don't really do the imaginary play i've never seen you kind of break down to like squat down to his eye level around that like market stall for example and like get the cash till out and start like pressing the buttons like unlike we do with the with that little thing and then we speak into that monitor and go clean up on aisle three please no that's not imaginary play and then that is imaginary play no that no the imaginary part of that would be like having a tea party with Mr.
5:34Louise: Potato who's not really there but in Leo's head he's there oh that's imaginary play well no I also think it is just like playing with things that clearly adults aren't going around and playing with an imaginary market still Leo will often make me a coffee with obviously no coffee from his fake coffee machine and I'm like oh thanks dude but like I'm not like this is my idea of playtime yeah but you don't that that's basically as far as it goes which is an improvement on some people because there's no way that my dad would have been even pretending to fake sip a coffee yeah but it just comes down to like well i don't know like to me that's not like i'm in my mind i'm like dude i we can have way more fun doing some other kind of play so what are the things as a bloke that you look at and think i can't really get on board with that or that or that but i do want to do this instead because that would probably really help this guy out feel firstly like less alone and not getting into the imaginary play i don't know if you were like right this weekend we're gonna have a tea party with leo and all of his imaginary fairy friends i'd be like um count it's that one how about we go and take our bikes and have a little picnic in the park or something like that you know okay yeah and rather than take like loads of food let's just take different shaped balls tennis balls golf balls rugby balls footballs and just like load him up on just developing his skills.
6:54One of my favourite videos of Leo, one of my favourite videos of Leo is when he was in the swimming pool in Greece and he had those little swimming pool balls and he fired one straight at me and then the camera kind of followed the ball as it landed in my hand. And as I rotated the camera, he's again launched another one and he'd like absolutely got it plumb again and he like slapped his legs and he was like, yes! because he had like two bullseye throws straight at me and i was like oh my god i could literally
7:26Louise: do this all day with you son you are all man yeah yeah what else would you not feel comfortable with you're not really getting onto the floor doing the paddington jigsaw puzzles with us are you um well the puzzles is your thing what i do like doing with him now is coloring with him because he's got a little bit more skill with the old pencil and pen actually you're very good at Colouring and drawing. Okay, so that's nice. That's like quite a soft touch, like sensitive little joyful bit of playtime. Yeah. I think actually... But you don't love like a soft play, like sitting there around the edge watching.
8:03Well, no, I just don't like that place where you're thinking of. A soft play is quite jokes. I remember going to, is it called Charlie and the Chalk? Charlie Chalk Factory or something? I remember going to those as kids. Literally the best time ever.
8:16Louise: So what's your advice then to this guy? don't worry about it that's what i think that's the ying and yang that's what mum's offer and dad's offers doesn't have to be the same his partner might be very good at that stuff yeah it's the whole male input female input different energies different ingredients different value add i guess also it's it's down to different people's personalities it's funny because when i was at school i was really shy and i hated acting so i've never been particularly performative which is why it's crazy that me and rosie both ended up with me and chelsea because out of all of our school friends everyone was like pure thespian everyone did drama gcse we were really shy i was like the tree in the school play like literally just stood there with my arms don't worry i was a dog walker i had to walk around this i had to walk around this stage whistling with this like baton being like yeah but that's actually good because i bet there was only one dog walker oh there's only one yeah so you had a role i was just crowd i was like jack was obviously the main guy in that um school play because he's jack but yeah but i was just a crowd as a tree like all crowd as shepherds or crowds yeah yeah it's quite nice that you at least got to be a unique figure but i think that now you're not really you're not like getting down there i'm like literally on all fours doing like animal yoga or like do do do do do like pretending to be a lion like on the floor.
9:40Louise: Yeah, but that's great. And I was always very shy before. So I feel like it's kind of cool because I get a second chance at living a childhood that I wasn't able to do because I had confidence issues. Yeah. Confidence issues. And now I'm able to be really silly. No, but I think this is great. But not everyone is silly. Like, I have a lot of friends whose partners are anything but silly that have very serious jobs that are definitely not fucking a squat. My advice to this dad is is is and it goes with the saying of like it takes a village to raise a child that's not really my point but my point is like between mum dad auntie uncle grandma granddad like everyone can have their own little spin on their version of playtime with the with the child so don't think that you have to like be amazing at it all he'll be very good at some stuff yeah relax i think just relax in doing that also the more the more authentic joy you get from it as the dad it will rub off in a better way, more lasting way.
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11:58Louise: This one kind of split into two. what's the first part is what's one thing you want Leo to learn about from watching you two and then also one thing that you want him to learn from watching Maiden Chelsea well he ain't gonna be watching Maiden Chelsea but if he ever does do you reckon he ever will well do you think it'll be still going when he's that okay so let me frame it like this if you were growing up yeah and Rick and Linda were on a reality show do you think you'd be curious to watch it yes do kids to nepo babies watch their parents in like movies and stuff yeah yeah no for sure i don't know why i has yes of course yeah there probably will come a time in his life where he'd be like oh let me just youtube ma and pa that's nuts what do you think he's gonna get faced with me crying people getting slapped you pinning up my ex against the wall exactly that yeah so what can we maybe advise him on the learning front well if we ever do tv again we have to probably keep that in mind actually and i think that's a really good message an idea well maybe we need to when maybe maybe it could be educational to get him to watch it to confront all of the mistakes that we made and we can go this is how not to treat women yeah that's not a bad option this is how not to live your life it's not a bad option this isn't how not to be a fraud um oh yeah i think the main thing is is actually just but here's how to slap maybe here's how to slap yeah this is how to do a good slap or this is how to take a good slap from a woman if you do something bad if you if you cheat on women you might get slapped this is what it will look like here's how to lift someone from the throat here's how to do a good seating plan and a bad seating plan if you want an argument or fight an american god i was thinking about all those costumes that we used to have to wear do you remember costumes do you remember we were doing event day and there'd be a themed party and we'd have to turn up and like it was always the end it'd be like the christmas party and we had to literally wear like antlers on our heads oh no no no with like glitter sprayed on them i remember weird like masks and it was like we were who's that like weird character in the lion the witch in the wardrobe i don't know but No, wait, can we please think about it?
14:20Louise: That Mr. Tumnus, who's Mr. Tumnus? Like weird sort of spiritual elf-like creatures. I'm not familiar with that. No. I do have now a memory of me and Fred dressed up as like, almost like Tarzan with basically a butt flap. And we had to carry Sophie, what's her name? Sophie Herman on our shoulder into a party. That's so cringe. I don't even remember what theme it was now. And like, why, was it her party? It must've been, well, perhaps it was. They also, I bet they would have then panned to my face and tried to get me looking like a bit jealous. Always. Mate, I had so many scenes about Sophie Herman being like, ooh, is he going to go with Sophie?
14:56Louise: Well, I saw her at the wedding, which you know, because you actually dropped me off and then you saw her in the car as well. I dusted. You literally got out of that space quicker than you could say. What was your uncle? What does she used to call you? My little strudel. Freddy was always Freddy Mouse or something like that. Freddy Mouse. freddy matt and i'd be like oh this is kind of weird and what would you want leo to learn from us just from seeing us uh i would want leo to see that being 100 you is very cool and i'd want him to realize that you know if you're in that sort of spotlight or however way you'd want to phrase that you don't need to adopt anything that's not you you don't need to put up a facade or an act be really authentic to who you are because in every conversation in every room in every show in every whatever there is space for what you can offer that is what i hope he would see in his mar and par on whatever he watches he's going to be a movie star though let's face it he is I would not want him to be a movie star I couldn't think of anything worse than him actually he's got so much charisma and looks of an angel that would be just hellish but when he does that yeah he likes to clap and then like point his fingers really quickly we'll do a little clip on the movies there's no way at three and a half I was doing things like this like I know he's so cute but I just I want him to have a really normal like sensible job much like the girlfriend I want for Sam I think we could do with having adding a bit more normal into our lives like you're you were the most normal person that we added into our family and that's really helped it's really you're the climbing frame literally literally I am the climbing that video has got five and a half million views yep people like a climbing frame people like a climbing frame no what people like to see is me you and sam doing gym acro yoga whatever it's called yeah but what i was thinking about the other day is that is that okay like i feel as though i'm more into it now again because we have a kid and i like when i was younger i used to love doing like a puppet show at home and and you know pushing my brother into like folding him into our sofa bed like the camp bed sofa bed thing and that's really fun when you're a kid is it okay to have like a resurgence when you're in your mid-30s so then start adopting really like kiddy behavior again.
17:38Louise: I think the reason people like it is because everyone actually secretly like has a bit of that in them and they all wish, want to do that. Like, because it's fun. Inner child, isn't it? And it's nice to laugh. Our inner child. So we're just tapping into our inner child a bit more. I think the next video we recruit a few more people, maybe get Pete in there, Leo in there. I think we get loads of people. Get like a whole squad. Just get 15 people stacked up on my back. But we used to do that when, and I remember feeling a bit cringe about it. And that's actually a bit of a, like a message, I guess, to put out there is about 10 years ago, whenever Ron and I first started hanging out, we used to do a lot of this like acroyoga stuff, like genuinely, because we had a passion for it.
18:25Louise: Like we knew that we could do it because I was really small, you were really big. We used to go to our local gym and used to like throw me in the air and we do, it was like verging on sexily but we never followed through with it because i think we were worried about the judgment that people would have for it you know like the people that we were at school with and uni with and our friends might thought it was a bit cringe when they were working serious jobs if we'd continued with that passion we'd be we'd be flying we would we'd be judges on britain's got talent we would so yeah basically get us on britain's got talent but also follow your dreams and don't worry about what other people are going to think of you and on that note i think that's it for question time this week so well thank you guys for listening to our random musings if you enjoyed the episode then please do share with a friend we've got plenty more also send in some like inspo for our next video with sam and whoever else it's a great idea send in some inspo maybe a little challenge be like but you can't do this well yeah we were challenge to do something yesterday and i think we did it in the end if you'd like to stay stay in touch and up to date with all of our latest episodes then please do follow follow us across all platforms and subscribe on youtube you can follow us on instagram as well where he said she said and would love it if you would share the episode with anyone that you think might enjoy it yeah or your partner i'll see you next week i'll see you next week
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We’ve officially reached Autumn, so it’s the perfect time to curl up and get cozy with another Ask Us Anything episode!
This week, Louise and Ryan share what they’d do if they could be totally anonymous for 24 hours, discuss what lessons they hope Leo learns from them and reveal whether they’ll ever let Leo watch Made in Chelsea…
Plus, Ryan shares what Disney villain he’d like to be and the pair give some advice to a parent who can’t quite immerse himself into imaginary play.
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