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4 Sep 2026 · 3 min · 3 chapters

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In short

Jerry Seinfeld discusses showbiz culture, his relationship with George Shapiro, and his dislike of small talk.

Guest backgrounds

Jerry Seinfeld is a comedian/TV figure; George Shapiro is referenced as Seinfeld’s longtime collaborator/manager, described as warm, welcoming, and emotionally expressive.

Key claims

show business can be “heaven on earth” when you care about the work and the post-show dinner; Seinfeld calls misery in show business a “sin.” Shapiro had “no angst,” and Seinfeld says he shares that attitude. Seinfeld also says he’s not naturally good with people and finds casual chatting mentally taxing.

Notable examples

contrasting small talk (“chilly for late March”) with deeper topics (Roman emperors/calendar changes).

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The Influence of George Shapiro

0:33 to 1:00

Jerry discusses his relationship with manager George Shapiro and their shared love for show business.

“like groceries, merch, or tickets to the game.”

The Influence of George Shapiro

1:15 to 2:15

Jerry discusses his relationship with manager George Shapiro and their shared love for show business.

“You've called it like a marriage before.”

The Challenge of Small Talk

2:15 to 3:31

Jerry shares his struggles with small talk and preference for deeper conversations.

“That's a sin because it's such a beautiful opportunity that you have.”
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1:29Jerry Seinfeld:He and I shared the joy of show business life. We care about the show and we care about the dinner that we're going to after the show equally. What are we eating, George? What are we going to eat after this? And we both appreciated there was no angst. George had no angst. I have no angst. Things don't always go well. but we just feel like we're in show business. We're in heaven. We're in heaven on earth. Most people in show business, you probably know by now, you've talked to a lot of them, they're not even that happy and they're in the greatest possible life you can have. A lot of them are miserable.

2:15Jerry Seinfeld:Yeah. To me, that's a sin. That's a sin because it's such a beautiful opportunity that you have. But you and George, like, could not have been more different. Describe kind of the ways in which he was this, like, cheerleader of positive energy. He was very emotive, very warm and welcoming, amazing with people. I am always around people who are fantastic with people, because I am not. You don't think you are? No, I don't. I try, but it's an effort. and all my friends and my wife are amazing with people. So I kind of like to be with them and they kind of can interface and engage. Why do you think that is with you?

3:05You just don't care about that?

3:06Jerry Seinfeld:I'm not interested. If someone wants to chat casually... You hate small talk. I am, my brain is like, I have to really think, what do you say now? Boy, it's chilly for late March, isn't it? Yeah, what do you say? It's true, it is chilly for late March. What do you say about that? I don't know. I don't know. But if you want to talk about, you know, can you believe they added two months, that the calendar used to be ten months, and then they added two, the two Roman emperors. Okay, now we're talking about something. Now I can talk, but I can't talk to you about how chilly it is today. It's unusually chilly for late March.

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From the publisher

Actor and comedian Jerry Seinfeld opens up about his relationship with talent manager George Shapiro, calling him a father figure, and discusses their shared joy of show business. He also shares how different they were, calling him warm and amazing with people. He explains why he likes to be around those who are good with other people, sharing that he avidly hates small talk.


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