210 - You’re Not Broken, Just Treating the Wrong Thing

0:00Welcome to the Just Ingredients podcast. I'm Cara Lynn, and here we dive deep into the journey of healing and wellness. If you're ready to learn, feel empowered and take charge of your health, you're in the right place. Welcome back, everyone. Today, I am really excited for our guest. It's Dr. Jared Price. Some of you may even go to him because I had him on my podcast last season or so. And so many of you liked hearing what he had to say. And so you are patients of his now. But I'm really excited about what we're going to talk about today. And so thank you for being here. Yeah, thank you as well.

0:36It's been fun. Well, let's just tell our audience maybe a little bit about yourself, because you are really into finding the root cause of somebody's health issues rather than just putting a Band-Aid on a symptom and sending them on their way. And so I'm curious, what got you into that like root cause approach? Yeah, that's great. So after my doctorate that I got at the University of Utah as a nurse practitioner eight years ago now, I was able to just jump in with men's health. I actually started with urology. And I actually saw more female, even though it was men's health, I saw more female than male just because of the recurrent UTI and pelvic floor and so forth.

1:16So I want to do a shout out of interstitial cystitis. I did a huge thing on that just to help people because they couldn't get help with their inflammation. So, but afterwards I shifted just because of personal reasons of not seeing people improve there. So then I shifted into what's a functional space of a functional medicine clinic there. I learned all the things of just like, wow, there's the actual like pathogens that won't go away in our bodies. And I'm like, I had that myself. Like my journey itself was like, I got really, really sick with SIBO, which is a small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.

1:51and from that I was unable to like work I had to call out just because like my colleagues couldn't help me I was sick in bed most of the time fetal position because it's sharp pain oh wow you can't even walk I would crawl sometimes so not having solution I was like and working in that functional space and doing my own research I'm like there is so much more we could be helping preventing me to that place and so for that reason I started to do that form of treatment In the meantime, I was working at urgent care. I taught at Utah Valley University in nursing. But then I just thought, you know, I just need to start to help people.

2:29And I kind of let go of everything and started to open my own practice, which is ultimate health and wellness. Oh, that's awesome. I love doctors that are out there trying to help people, trying to help them find their root cause. But I know at your clinic you do something or you believe in this four-door system. meaning people feel crappy and they go to the doctor and they just are like, I don't know if it's gut health. I don't know if it's adrenals. I don't know if it's a nutrient deficiency. I don't know if it's stress. I don't know if it's the thyroid. I don't know if it's all these things.

2:59And I feel like people get overwhelmed because they're like working on the thyroid and the gut and their stress and their nutrient deficiencies and all these different and detoxing and all these things. And they, it gets too much. And then they're like, nothing's working. Nothing's helping. And so you have this idea of there's four doors maybe of where people should be at and maybe people are in the wrong doors. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. And what I've noticed is that they will burn all their energy behind that door because they believe that to be the door and they're losing hope because that door is not giving relief to them.

3:36And so it's still scientifically true to be a good door. It's just that their body themselves, they're not listening to the symptoms of their body. That's not quite ready for it yet. And I did that even in SIBO. You do not want to be sick anymore, right? And so I did go to the finish line of trying all the things that are right at the finish line of probiotic and all those things. And I just would inflame and get tons of backup from it. So the door thing just is kind of to keep it simple of just saying which from symptoms of life history, where are you at? Right. So. Okay. So I'm curious to know what the four doors are and to know how you know which door you're in.

4:18So we'll talk about that later, but let's just talk about the four doors. Can we start at the beginning? Yeah. So if someone comes to you, do they automatically go to door one? And what is door one? Yeah. Door one is vagal nerve regulation slash your favorite methylation because of what you've been through right and so from that door uh we first before even door one like zero ground zero right we get life history we go straight from birth clear to the current there's a story in everyone's journey that makes it such a beautiful thing because they have the golden ticket to get them out of what they're in they just don't know it yet and so he's seeing it together carefully and listening um there is some fun i'm usually jovial and we laugh a lot but you have to be very serious to be able to really be a detective in their life history or you'll miss it every time yeah and i i'm always very apologetic because that is so crucial before the door because you can't place them in a door unless you know those symptoms and that life history so you get their medical their health background for their traumas the traumas right so emotional physical even sexual right like there's in a world of today like we we have to be uh consider and open enough that our body keeps the score right and so because of that we have to be sensitive enough to look at all the things that makes them up to where they're at and do you do testing before you place them in a door or not necessarily not necessarily like i think symptoms speak very loud of where they're at and usually like when they first come to see me there's no testing because usually I can detect quite a bit from the symptomology itself.

6:02Interesting. If they're more advanced that we already kind of know most of where they're at and that they are ready for testing, I'll do a one week lab. Like they'll go straight away into a lab before they even start anything. And then I'll hypothetically put them on some things after they've done that lab. So I can see baseline and then progress after that lab with the next lab. All right. So let's talk about this first door. Vagal nerve what? Vagal nerve regulation. And as you're saying, well, I think we kind of mentioned this beforehand, but vagal nerve is such a buzzword. Like everyone's talking about, oh, I got to regulate.

6:39But to understand the importance of this. So the vagus nerve goes right down. I always tell them it's right next to your earlobes. It just goes out down on each side and it actually innervates your body to go into a fight or flight or a rest and digest mode the tone quote of us low tone is when that nerve won't shift from a fight or flight because we need to protect ourselves from time to time from a fight or flight back to a rested state so if it's a low tone you'll the people struggle to go from that back to rest so our world today we are very much just a fight or flight and that we struggle to get back over to that rested mode you can't heal your body you can't regulate your body if you're always fight or flighting that's where the inflammation's at because your cortisol is just constantly being it's leading out yep okay and it's crushing all the other troops that are so important to your body some call it vagal nerve and some call it vagus nerve is it the same thing same thing okay we got two names for the same thing so fun okay so vagus nerve is the actual nerve and then vagal is just It's like, you know, you vagaled when you had a bowel movement or something.

7:54So it's like relating to the action of the nerve. Gotcha. So. Okay. So how does someone know if they need vagus nerve regulation? Totally. And I'm going to relate it. Right. Exactly. And I'm going to relate it because the moms are hubs to the family. They have no idea that that nervous system could be wrecking them. Right. And they're so for their children that they don't recognize that they're losing their own steam as well. So if you are wired, your brain is wired, but your body is tired. That is a good sign that you're on that fight or flight mode. If you are never hungry, you could go all day and not eat.

8:30That's a good sign you're in a fight or flight. Interesting. Yep. If you have sleep disruption where it's difficult to go to sleep and keep asleep, you've got a vagal nerve that's playing a game on you. Interesting. Yeah. And then lastly, just like blood sugar controls because that's related to cortisol. So if you feel hangry all the time, like that's another good sign that you have a vagus nerve. How about constant highs and lots of lows? Of which? Of blood glucose. Yeah, exactly. Yep. If you are in a good, easy, steady state, that's the rest and digest mode, right? The steady state. So if you're chasing blood sugar, trying to keep it optimal, that's a good sign that the vagus nerve is playing into that.

9:13And is the vagus nerve just stuck in that fight or flight? because purely of stress, purely of women and men, but just go, go, go and not regulating their stress. And that's just it. Like we can't quit our lives, right? So we've got to regulate it, right? We've got to, it's a little kid that has a lot of weaponry that can beat against our body. And we've got to tell the kid to just be gentle with how it uses the weapons. So it's not beating up the body anymore. So you don't quit your life. You don't quit your job. You just regulate it. So it's a part of your journey. And now it's just now more steady state.

9:50Okay. So now everybody wants to know, how do I regulate my vagus nerve then? No. Yeah. So there's many different ways. And because it's such a buzzword, everyone's been mentioning that. So the humming, the singing, the tapping, box breathing of the 444, right? You can do people that also notice if you're in fight or flight, you'll kind of hold your breath more you don't take deep breaths so you're just shallow breathing just want to mention that one too i didn't mention this my goal is that in a year people are feeling optimal right you can't motivate patients with their health journey for very long because it's so rigorous and hard even a year yeah to be patient with but it does take time yeah yeah so age at least paint that goal and that they should be tasting something in three to four months right and even two months so But anyway, the devices that I love when I see cortisol not shifting, and that's including adaptogens like the botanicals, like the ashwagandha adrenal complex, you bet.

10:50If those things aren't getting it quite there, I still keep them on botanicals because that's always a good adaptogen. But then I go into the pulseto. I'm sure people have seen that one. The thing where it's like attached to your ear? Oh, that one's good too. And that one's not bad. It's just the expense of it, right? Like that one's a little more money. it's like a 800 and so the pulsetto is only uh it goes right below the earlobe okay it's this device on the neck and that one will actually only be around the two to three hundred mark so that's why i was like we gotta be realistic here we can't just kill them just this one time with something so i was thinking like the pulsetto but that one works great as well as the apollo i'm wearing the apollo today that's just on your wrist and it does its own like scheduled regulation so you don't have to think about it it just regulates you all day long by doing what it does vibrations vibrations yep yep and this one is also a vibration so it's vibrating the vagus nerve to help to get out of fight or flight or fight or flight yeah which we just have to mention so that's low tone when you're fight or flighting a strong tone is now that it can regulate back to a parasympathetic really well high inflammation like we're talking at least 70 percent increase inflammation if you stay in low tone and then because of the strong tone it can crush crp and interleukins by also the 70 what was it 75 of the parasympathetic state communicates through the vagus nerve so just think of that huge importance constipation ibs like it's all connected to the vagus nerve because the vagus nerve is connecting the gut to the brain right So it's what all the neurons are speaking.

12:33That's right. You make more serotonin in your gut than in your brain. And then they travel on the vagus nerve and communicate to the brain. To the brain. And so what's important to this is that your fight or flight response before you go into like panic attacks. This first communicated that we're in a fight or flight. So it says, here's all the serotonin. Now freak out, you know. Interesting. Anyway. Okay, so if people get blood work done and they see that their CRP is really high, right away they should be first dealing with vagal nerve regulation. Yep, so if they have the symptoms of a dysregulated vagus nerve that we talked about and a CRP that's high, cortisol low, if you want I can speak to the cortisol part.

13:16Sure. Here we go. So cortisol, the reservoir that blood cortisol is a bound cortisol. it's not the free cortisol because that's the lival cortisol i hate that word so because of that this should be low in your mouth when you test that but the blood one should be high it should be 14 to 16 that is your whole day's worth of cortisol okay so if your morning cortisol is sitting at like six seven i've seen it as low as three um that is a crashed adrenal system it has no capability to help the body that day. So the adrenal complex is key. So what I've noted with adrenal complex is that it will bounce them out of that stage one, stage two of adrenal insufficiency.

14:02And that means it's above 10. So it's really beautiful. It's fun to see your stuff like work in the blood work. That's good to know. Right. And then the ashwagandha always regulates it. So it keeps the cortisol 14 to 16. So I always say ashwagandha is on the table. Interesting. But that's what we're talking about with cortisol. You don't want too high too. Too high is a very, very sad story. Those are the panic attack people. Those are the trauma people. Okay, so can people get their cortisol checked just through blood work? Yeah, totally. Okay. Yep. And so a good range is? 14 to 16. 14 to 16 is what we're looking for.

14:38That's what you want to go for. Yep. I wonder what mine is. I need to go back and look at my blood work. Yep. I'm curious though about some of these vagal nerve regulation tools, like I know about breathing that to make sense but humming how long do we have to hum I don't yeah yeah good good question so yeah right so it's just five to ten minutes and you do that morning and night right the minimum of regulation is morning and night to be able to regulate that so that the kid that kid that's got all the weaponry just knows okay yep they're watching me I got to keep under control right but if you are dysregulating it's even more powerful to do it then like you can tap but this is kind of awkward to do in front of people so what you can do is the mastoid bone which is right below the earlobe or behind the earlobe you can push right on that mastoid bone the sharp little point and right below that is the actual the vagus nerve so if you're just like i am not winning today you can push on that and it's like oh i gotta relax and i actually push the wrong side the right nerve only really regulates the heart the left nerve regulates the whole system oh interesting so you really want to push behind the left you learn something new every day i know it's fun right new for me yeah so anyway there you go okay sorry about that no that's good to know and yeah i actually love to hum i ever since i was a little girl i have you intuitively knew sometimes my husband is like can you quit humming or do you even know you're humming right now and i'm like no i like do the dishes humming so maybe my body That is it.

16:13It's just like, okay, time to relax. Yeah, that's awesome. Methylation is huge to the liver, right? We get all this raw material. I'll describe my own form of way of methylation. So we get raw material coming from the gut, right? Into the liver. And that raw material now is on a conveyor belt by the liver to be cut up so that it becomes free formed. And once it's free, now it sends it into the bloodstream, our arterioles, to the cell to be fed to our cells. So the problem when people have a mutation, and it's more than just MTHFR, that is one of them, but any form of mutation can affect those saws that are cutting up on the conveyor belt.

16:55When that happens, now the logs are going to the cells as big macros that it can't use. And so the brain, the nervous system senses that. It's like, these are things that are not normal. and so it starts to raise the vagus nerve because of a panic of invasion right like we're getting a burden load of stuff we can't use interesting and so now it's going into fight or flight again so it's that's why methylation i don't get very far into the other doors if people's nervous system is not regulating and we look at methylation and also just the nerve interesting and so let's take like b vitamins yeah exactly so the b vitamins are coming into the gut yep they're on this conveyor belt to the liver yeah the liver can't chop them up yep that's right or methylate them yep methylated and pass them on to the bloodstream to be used by the cells yep so it's congesting the liver it's it's building up in the brain and it's like this is freaking out like because it needs to go away because nothing's using it right so because it can't be used it's just inflaming so it's just inflaming surrounding tissue because it can't be used interesting yeah And a lot of people have methylation issues, especially of the B vitamins.

18:11That's right. Especially B12. Yep. And so these B vitamins, though, are needed for energy, for good mood. I mean, brain health. Every neurotransmitter needs it. Neuroregulation in the brain, neuroplasticity, as it's called, it can't work without those Bs. So you need the Bs. And they've got to be methylated to be used. You can't just take a B vitamin and think your body's going to be able to use it. Yep. Yep. And we should talk about a little bit of the energy drink because I know you just did a thing on that. People need to just look at the backside just to protect their liver and to protect their nervous system because if it's cyanobalamin, that's just cyanide.

18:51They're putting cyanide right into the liver. Oh, and you probably had mentioned this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and it's so toxic. So we don't need to overwhelm our bodies with bad things that can't be broken up. Because they should look on the back and what should it say for methylcobalamin. Exactly. So anyway. Because that means it's already been methylated. It's been like chopped up. Yep. And it's just going right to the cell. The liver's like, oh, easy. Okay. So back up on this because you said people that have methylation issues, well, okay, the logs in our analogy are chopped up. Yeah. And so they are into the bloodstream causing inflammation.

19:26Yep. So if someone goes and gets blood work done and their inflammation is really high, can that be an indicator that they aren't methylating? That's right. Homocysteine. Okay. So they should look at not their CRP, they should look at their homocysteine? CRP will go up, but so will homocysteine. So explain that to us. The B vitamin, B12, going into the cell, now we're like at a cellular level. It's taking B12 in, burning it, and the exhaust piece, the stuff it can't use of B12, is now homocysteine. That's why it's high. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And it's high because it's also not using the B12 that it can't use.

20:04So then it's starting to just convert it to get rid of it. So homocysteine starts to go really high. So when that happens, though, homocysteine actually raises blood pressure. It's a spike protein version, not like the COVID, but similar spike proteins that will actually rub on the blood vessel wall and trigger a spasm of constriction. So you'll get into hypertension issues. issues. Interesting. And once it gets to the liver, though, the liver is really good to cut it up and form it into methionine, which is very safe. It's an amino acid that's actually anti-inflammatory. Okay. So on blood work, do you like around a seven?

20:43Less than seven. Less than seven? Oh, I did good there. My husband had really high homocysteine and then got on our adrenal complex and our B complex. And now it went down. It went way down. There it is. Yeah, he was at a 13. See? And it went down below a 7. You can't be above a 10. That's red flag. Yeah. Above a 10. So that is crazy. Okay, so we get the vagal nerve regulated. We worked on our methylation. And now we should. And then we go. Yeah. Which is interesting because if door two is energy, energy or cell energy. Yep. Cell energy and gut health. Yep. It does make sense that if you're not even methylating, why are we even skipping to gut health yeah yeah oh my gosh okay this is a wake-up moment yeah so many just go right to the gut health yeah no not quite yet what we call uh with vagal regulation is locked up system nothing even if it's good hormones peptides nothing works as it should it's very difficult to get the body to move because it's not safe which you will hear people like i'm on hrt or i'm doing peptides or something that's not helping that's right that's right makes sense yep yep so once we get to energy of cell now we're like okay the the nervous system is willing to work with us now the doors are opened and now we can now give that energy back to the cells that are shut down for the most part the mitochondria which is the battery to the cell those just shut down when the nervous system goes fight or flight cortisol is just like prednisone that we get from western medicine like over the case anyway so that will just shut down your uh your burning, your metabolism, and your mitochondria.

22:22So we need to rev up the mitochondria very gently. So when people have been in chronic fatigue syndrome or just really tired all the time from the fight or flight, you have to go slowly because those cells that are turned off now have accrued junk. And so if you turn on cells too quick, they will make you feel flu-like because they're now like, oh, perfect. Get this out of the closet. You know what I mean? It wants to get rid of everything. And you have to be smart how fast you're turning on stuff. Well, how are you turning on these cells? Oh, yeah, that's true. And so that would be first and foremost, we work with the gut.

22:58We need to know, do you have intolerances? Do you have sensitivities of your gut like that? And how is the pooping? It's kind of laughable in my clinic because I talk about how many BMs per day you do, how many poops. You need to be at two to three. And people laugh. I know they do. I said this other day to a friend and they were like two to three. I'm lucky for one a day. That's right. That's right. And we have to think like, and we'll talk about the door of drainage, but that drainage of toxin, whether you like it or not, it is going. It's always draining toxins and it will recycle that toxin.

23:34So if we don't get it out, it will go back to our cells and you'll know it's really bad if your skin is bad. Skin is the last resort of the liver being like, what? This toxin again? Going to the skin. Interesting. So you really got to watch the skin. If the skin's bad, that means you are overloaded big time. Okay, so we were talking nutritional. I want to speak to protein goal. In my first visit, I always speak to protein because you have to have equivalency to your lean muscle mass. If we don't know that, you can actually do a kilo weight. And then I do some multiplications to find out from their ideal weight of when they felt the best, what that would be as a protein goal.

24:15They have to hit it every day. Every visit, I'll look at protein in our lab worker and be like, are you eating your protein? Like I'll always readdress it because you can't. It's been proven scientifically that it will regulate your nervous system to keep the hunter-gatherer at bay. our cortisol will start to increase to find protein when we're famished when we're too low in the protein our liver can't even detox without protein interesting so you gotta be able to do protein so okay so does protein though help turn the cell on it totally does it totally does so all of the amino acids turn on this neuro neuroplasticity of the brain as well as every cell and endocrine but that's just getting started so that's like in my first visit and then next visit we have lab to go game day right so now we're going hormones that exists of like sex hormones plus thyroid which i spoke of in our first podcast people wanted to watch that one that would give greater detail to those so okay before we skip oh okay yeah okay okay back to protein though because i know everybody's gonna ask because you hear the differences all over the board of how much protein people should have yeah it's true so what is your and your logic background that I have, I would say like you have to be careful on the kidney.

25:33Okay. I know a lot of people say you can never hurt the kidney. Yes, you can. Like I work with, uh, when people are really chronically ill in my clinic, I'll call nephrology and we work out a deal on how to help them. But if your function of the kidney is really good, you can do 40 grams at one time. If the function of the kidney, which is the GFR glomerular filtration rate, I hate the glomerular word anyway but when that rate is above a 90 you're good to go if you're like sitting 70s 60s you're not drinking enough water first of all and you have uh decreased uh function of the kidney anyway so if there is an issue with the kidney now we're decreasing at one time to 30 gram or 20 gram at one time okay just because of the burden so if we're having 40 grams in a meal yeah so three times a day yeah and then as a female usually i see with their ideal uh because we weigh in everybody that we see and if they didn't weigh in i'll do hypothetical numbers of where they felt the best but from that we get their their lean muscle mass right because you have to protect your muscle your muscle goes away because the body is saying if you didn't give me protein that's fine i'll raise cortisol and cortisol will liquefy muscle in five minutes so interesting So you're hosed either way.

26:50Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. So you're a hosed and it's not worth it. So you might as well just protect your muscle by getting enough protein. Why go to the gym if it's gonna? You're just playing a ring around, you know? So most females sit between like 100 to 120 minimum. It's hard to get 100 grams of protein. Amen. So like. It is really hard. I have to drink like two of my protein shakes to get it in. I love that you have that though. And then I love that you have the protein. Yeah. These drinks. Yeah. But I would say also tablets, I will take my time with that protein schedule until we've aced it. I will say there's not a person we haven't aced it with.

27:25Just because of all the amino acids it contains. That's right. Amino acids are going to go. Complete amino acid profile. Complete amino acid, then you're good to go. That would act like a normal protein. Okay, this is so interesting about leptin. Because I've heard women say like, oh, I just don't ever feel full. I could eat and eat. And so you're saying that is a leaky gut issue? Yeah, that's right. Because that brainstem is trying to say, hey, are we good? Do we need more food? And it's just dormant silence. So it's like, okay. People are not talking about that because that is a problem for women.

28:00Right. Eat organic as possible. Pesticides, herbicides, all of those things are really clogging that signal. Interesting. In the gut. Because those are part of the toxins. Yeah. And I would say like work on the gut, the gap junction, like you said. So that's like bone broth at night, right? Getting all of those nutrients to help heal over. The amino acids that can help heal the lining of the gut. Yep. Yep. Okay. So go from there. Okay. So back to door number two, we're in door number two, working with protein. That's right. Working on the energy of the cell. Yep. But then you started to talk about hormones.

28:34That's right. Do we address hormones in door number two yep we do proteins set in stone but if it's like a little treat right like i want to give hormones but if you didn't think to do protein in that next visit we are stopping the visit and we're working on protein again till it's very much aced because that is neuro regulation that you're eating so anyway once we have that yep we go right into sex hormones now thyroid is crucial thyroid i'll give a little bit from last podcast to this one so thyroid is the contractor looking over every project in your body including periods growing a baby infertility is not a thing like we could you can really help your body with infertility just by getting that thyroid to a really good level so anyway so once that contractor is showing up really well now the grant workers is estrogen, progesterone, testosterone.

29:28And they help build muscle. They help to get things out of the muscle or out of the cell. And then they also help grow your immune system really well. They grow the skin, the hair. So it's all very crucial after that point. But I usually will go thyroid if they're estrogen dominant, which I would say like 75 to 90 % of females go estrogen dominant very easily. Which is crazy to me. Which is sad. so sad because they it shuts down the mitochondria increase weight they just don't feel themselves anymore they feel witchy yeah estrogen dominant i tell people it's a witch with a capital b yeah so because of that though we we want to make sure we can get that balanced sooner than later because the biggest thing we want to do in the front end uh is to make sure that they have hope that they are tasting they're feeling things shifting in their body and so i'll I'll address that as well.

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31:48It's to survive. It's to keep you safe, right? What happens when the bear is chasing you and you're running, but we are doing this every day all day long. That's right. You're taking care of four kids or whatever kids. So it's survival mode. That's right. And so to the story of the fight or flight, cortisol goes up, sugar goes up, blood sugar goes up. And then that shuts down the immune system, shuts down the endocrine system of all your great hormones. and now it welcomes in pathogen. So when all of that is happening and sugar is going up, insulin will actually increase with that, which inflames the whole body.

32:22So they're like saying, I feel puffy now. And because they don't have any progesterone, estrogen can be formed through insulin. So insulin goes down to the ovary and it starts to kick off tons of estrogen. So now they're just increasing that estrogen to high levels. Including though is people not pooping. you poop out your estrogens and so if they are like i just poop when i need to like that recycles and so now it just it compounds the problem then there's other issues though too because fiber is what binds on to estrogen to help you poop it out that's right and most women don't eat enough fiber yep 21 they gotta be at least 21 so we just came out with a fiber drink for that reason because beautiful people aren't pooping enough every day to get that estrogen out that's right.