Good Style is Ageless, with Larissa Mills

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0:06Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Let's Get Dressed. It's your host, Liv Perez. We need to get into today's episode because I am so obsessed with our guest today, so I'm going to make this as quick as possible. But if you are unfamiliar with Larissa Mills, her personal style is some of my favorite in the game. A lot of the times if I need inspiration or if I'm feeling stuck, she's one of those accounts where I'm just like, Larissa, give me a little juice. I love, love, love her personal style. And I actually distinctly remember when I first saw her on social media, her daughter Ella posted a getting ready video to TikTok when she decided to flip the camera around to her mom and show off her outfit.

0:43I remember audibly gasping and being like, oh my God, who is that? Her style is incredible. It's effortless. And she is just so cool. Fast forward two years and that very happy accident later, Larissa is a bona fide style star whose OOTD videos have gone viral and garnered her a community of fashion lovers just like us. In today's episode, we got to chat about fashion at every age, demystifying that idea of that's too young for you or that we need to tone it down as we get older, and some of her favorite staples and trends in her closet for effortless dressing. I hope you guys loved today's episode.

1:21If you have a chance before we dive in, leave us a review on the podcast page. Let's go get dressed with Larissa Mills.

1:30I'm so excited to have you on the pod today. You know, I'm a huge fan of yours and I'm just obsessed with your content and I've been dying to do this for so long. So I'm so excited that you're here. I can't believe that that's the case and I'm so excited to be here. So thank you for having me. I really love what you do. I think from like so many different angles. One, I love your relationship with your daughter. I love that like fashion brought you guys together. I love your personal style. So many things I'm really excited to get into today. So thank you again for taking the time. So I woke up this morning and being in LA, my one qualm with it is that I'm so far behind from like everything else in the world.

2:06Like I lived in New York and that was amazing. And I felt like I was like right in the middle in terms of the time zones. Right. And LA is so hard for me because I'm like, people are going, like life is happening. It's so true. And I'm just rubbing my eyes. And this morning was the quintessential experience of that, waking up to this like fabulous getting ready video that you were like getting ready to go to Liz's podcast. and I was like in bed and I was like, is she like ready to go? I was, it was really, that must've been a little jarring. Like, wait a minute. How is she like getting there dressed?

2:39And I'm not even awake yet. I'm not even conscious. That's my one thing with living in LA, but because of that, I love your outfit. I need you to tell me what you're wearing today. I'm so glad that you dressed up for the pod. It always means the world for me when people do. Of course. I was thinking I'm like maybe it's just that I'm it's an older thing but I don't know like I like to dress up for things interviews or things like this it's just what you do for me but yeah so I I completely agree I think that's just nice dressing up for me is like what determines my mood like if I'm feeling like I'm waking up and the day sucks I'm putting on something good and the day is healed that's right that's right this is true okay talk me through the outfit I know you're in a dress, you're in a jacket, you've got some accessories.

3:26I am. So I have a dress on. I don't know how Lena Hoshek, something like that. It's a dress. It's kind of cinched at the waist. And then I have a soft goat Navy jacket. I'm feeling Navy again. I don't, I, for so long, I did not love Navy. It just reminded me of my parents. I don't know. It just seemed preppy or something, but now I kind of, I'm really loving Navy. I don't know. I have like my grandmother's jewelry on beautiful some pearls pearls stunning yep you know just some flats no big deal yep that's so interesting what you said about navy because i completely agree really yeah completely agree i never had a single navy thing in my closet right until this year and it always reminded me of i don't know it felt like a defunct color literally it's like every bridesmaid at some wedding would be a navy and you're like oh no like it's too safe it just felt very professional professional safe professional yes yeah and kind of bland i didn't have anything navy and now i want all the navy things like i just got a pair of navy pants i have a navy sweater i don't know i also think right now navy's having a little bit of a renaissance like i think i'm seeing it so much more in fashion than i ever have okay especially with unique pairings like i saw someone wearing a beautiful navy dress the other day with like a little pink cardigan and I thought it was so cute.

4:53Love. And I for fall am loving mixing like navies and browns. Like even your setup right now with the navy jacket and the brown background. It's I don't know why tonally I feel okay but more aligned to it than ever. I know. I do love it. I've been having this internal discussion with a lot of people in my life if leopard is trendy again or if it's just always a neutral and just Always. Exactly. It's always a lot of what I feel about fashion is the way I feel about interiors as well. So for me, for interiors, leopard has it's just always like certain animal prints. They're always a thing in interiors.

5:30So it's the same for my clothing. So I think it like it like got popular, but it's not like it's not a thing. I think it's like an item that you either are. It like sits in your closet and every once in a while you decide to pull it out. Yeah. But I like get frustrated when I see it's like leopards trending. I'm like, no, no. I mean, I have a leopard ottoman and I and I have a I have a banquette that is a chocolate brown and cream zebra stripe. So I I can't really like that lives in my home. So none of it is trending, I guess, for me. I love that. I've seen like little glimpses of your home on social and I'm obsessed in my if I could just drop everything right now, I'd be like on the East Coast.

6:15living in your house. Yeah. It is an East coast. It is an East coast type house. It is. I love hearing the way that you talk about colors and prints. And something I really love talking about on the show is what goes through everyone's minds when they're getting dressed every day. A lot of times for me, there's like, sometimes it's an item or sometimes it's just like a vision that of a way that I want to feel. What is it for you? Are you starting with a piece? Is it based on your mood? Tell us a little bit about how you get dressed. I mean, I would say all of those, definitely whether, you know, how you're feeling, all of those, I think.

6:50But if there's a common thread, I think this might be more helpful that runs through everything, which is I it doesn't matter if I'm getting dressed up. It doesn't matter if it's a casual day. My ethos probably is that I don't want it to be too precious. So it doesn't mean that I'm it's not that I'm comfortable all the time. I hear a lot of people say like, oh, it's I just want to be comfortable. But yeah, I would love to be comfortable. But my heels just there's there's just no way that they're comfortable. They're not comfortable. I love them and I'll wear them, but they're not. I wouldn't. That's not my idea of comfort.

7:26But I always want to feel like the outfit is not so precious that people look at me and it feels like it's too detached, I guess. It's it's a strange thing, but I just don't like it. Like if something does feel a little bit precious, I have to, something has to be messed up with it. So I have to like, you know, push up the sleeves or my hair has to be a little bit disheveled. Like something has to be a little off to make me feel a little more comfortable. So I don't know. That's my, just can't be perfect. I don't like perfect. But I really liked that. And I think that's why like as a viewer of your content, it resonated with me because most of your videos are OOTD videos.

8:07And on a daily basis, aren't we all a little disheveled. Yeah. It's hardly ever perfect. Right. Obviously the content of like, you know, getting dressed up to go out or getting dressed up to go to a wedding, all that does well and it's fine and it's great. Yes. But I think for a daily basis where we're really getting that fashion inspiration is what feels most realistic to us. And is that like the rolled up sleeves and like the shirt sticking out of our pants a little bit and the multiple different layers because it's cold, but then it's like hot in the office or vice versa. Totally. So I have always found that that's what resonates most for me with your content.

8:41It feels like I can watch it and be like, okay, I have some version of that in my closet. Yes. And I think I could go do that now. Yes. Good. I love that. I love that. Someone, I had someone saying like, it's a comment, you know, if I, if you don't have the links, like what's the, you know, what's the point kind of thing, but I don't really like it's an inspo. Like I would actually prefer not to be like selling stuff is not my goal. I want it to be, you know, just take this. And if it inspires a little bit or something that you have, or you can feel comfortable wearing that skirt, even though you're 50, whatever, that's more what I, what I get excited about.

9:21It's not really, you know, copy paste. It's just, which is fine too. I mean, I'm, I try to provide and make it easy for people. I, whatever. But I, I do try to just make it that it's accessible. There's an accessibility. The other day I was on TikTok and I saw a stylist who I love to follow actually post a video exactly about this. And she had the opposite perspective. She was like, if you're an influencer or you're a style content creator and you're not linking or tagging brands, don't you feel like you're doing like, what's the point? And there was a lot of commentary in the captions being like, you know, I think people want engagement because they want people in there being like, what's the jacket?

10:00What's the shirt? But I do think that there are two very valid sides, which is one, I've always had a hard time with this idea that you go on Instagram, you see an outfit and we're so easily able to just go and recreate it now. Right, right, right. A spark of inspiration of fashion isn't really there for us. Like what really feels inspired in fashion right now. Right. I don't know. Right. Right. Right. And do I think that that's like a trickle down effect of us like linking? Here's how to get the look. Right. I really appreciate your perspective, which is that like sometimes it's just not about the links.

10:37Sometimes it's just things that I've had in my closet. That's what it is. It's sometimes I just don't have it. It's not that I won't provide it. I will always provide it. I remember when Ella and I started doing this and we were just like, this is by this and this is by this and this is by this. and people kept saying, I love that you don't gatekeep. We had no idea what they were talking about. I didn't even understand the concept, but like happy to share. Like it's all in the, you know, I finally did the Shop My and Lincoln Buy. Like I'm happy to provide all of them. Like here it is. I don't want to make it difficult.

11:08I want to make it easy, but sometimes it just isn't available. Like you said, it's just an old thing that, you know, you might have similar and it's just for inspo sometimes. but that's why I said like I appreciate that side of it too where it's like here's the idea make it your own yeah I said something this morning that was like jeans and a button down with a sweater over it and I like pulled the cuffs out and it's like I don't think I tagged everything in that because it's like I don't need to tag the stripe button down shirt like right go find one make it your own right right right right it's just like a mold for you right you know what I find you have in your closet.

11:45You know what? You know what it is for me? I'm so I don't want people to think that I'm trying to sell them something. So it's so it's such a like I it's like here, I want to help you. I totally will give you the link, but I don't want you to think that I'm just doing putting this up here because I want you to buy it. I just want to be helpful. I don't I don't want to cater to all the I know it's true. It's true. It's true. That's exactly it. today's podcast is sponsored by cotton as you guys know i just went to paris not an easy flight from los angeles it's about 11 and a half hours 12 hours on the way home and i often get asked what i wear for long haul flights now i'm a big believer in girl math which means that 99 of the time i'm probably flying economy or comfort plus or whatever it is because i most likely have sorted out how I'm going to buy a bag wherever I get to where I'm going to.

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15:31So plenty of fashion inspiration, especially with fall around the corner for all the cozy things. So go discover the fabric of now at thefabricofourlives.com. See you on the plane. Your OOTD videos are, for me, like a masterclass in branding. I really appreciate when I find a creator who has something that is engaging enough that it never gets old. And it truly never gets old. Like I know your background. I know you're like against that like white door. I know you're in your bathroom. Yeah. But it never gets old for me. And I, I always appreciate that. That's the format that I know that I'm coming to find on your Instagram.

16:12Okay. That's good. Cause I do get sick of it. I'm like, they, this can't, they're people just can't want to see this. Like nobody wants to see me getting dressed in my bathroom again, but then I just... No, we're here. Okay. I'm, I'm a fan and I can say that. Keep it coming. I'm not sick of it. But to make you feel better, I do feel the same way sometimes about my own content. Okay. No one wants to see me in my closet or in like the archway of my house. Right. Like, but, okay. But you know, I can't have multiple homes. I'm like, this is it. This is it, guys. I would love to hear a little bit about the origin of your OOTV videos.

16:46So Ella, it's just funny because Ella had completely gotten off of TikTok, wasn't like had gotten off of it for a year, just felt like I think during COVID she was on it so much and she just sort of self like sent you just enough was enough. Right. So she got off of it and then she just sort of on a whim got back on, I think did a random video and then she did. It was the trend, the pantry, like show your mom or show your pantry and show your mom or something. So I was going to a meeting and she just sort of caught me off guard. Mom, like, come here. And I turned around and she's like, just stop.

17:24And she took like a video. It was so awkward. It's so bad. But, and for whatever reason, people, what's her coat? What's mom's this? What's mom that show mom's outfit? Like, Oh my God, like what's fashion happening here? So that's literally Ella, I think a few days later, mom, like, let's just do an outfit of the day. And she just did it in the bathroom, kind of the way she just sort of, you know, shirt, shoes, I just named everything. It was very embarrassing. I didn't, I just, whatever, I just went along. But then it just, it was so bizarre how it kind of took off. It was such a baby step for me because I was the mom who wouldn't take pictures of herself.

18:03Like I didn't have any pictures of myself. the concept of a selfie was just gross to me. It just is not. I think like when I grew up, it would be embarrassing if you were caught taking a picture of yourself. You know, it's just it's I don't know. So it took me a while of her really pushing to kind of get me out of my comfort zone. I think that there's a very big misconception with social media and it being somewhat of a vain career. I think there are so many creators out there that are really value driven and it's really about helping and giving inspiration. But I always hear, I always hear that chatter in the background.

18:41And it's so interesting to be talking to you about kind of having to break that mold for yourself. I feel that way all the time. I'm like, you know, if I have to ask like a friend or my husband to like help me take a picture, I'm dying, dying, dying. Yep. But it's, it's part of the grind and it's part of what helps us be creative and what helps us actually help our community as well. So it's definitely a double-edged sword. It is. But I love what you do. And I get so excited every time I see one of your videos, because for me, it's inspiration. And I know for so many others that do it as well.

19:11So I'm really glad you got over it. Well, thank you. I think what really, what pushed it over the edge was a lot of the, it was a twofold of women that were more my age, So in their 50s saying, OK, I'm kind of feeling like I can do more like you're giving me inspiration to just be more me like who I was and who I know I can still be. But I kind of had this, oh, I'm in my 50s. I guess I can't do that. Like they had sort of these, I don't know, preconceived notion of what 50 looks like. And then I had younger women, interestingly, that are in their 20s and 30s who you guys are really afraid of getting old.

19:52I don't know. There's some weird thing happening. Like they're also they're very afraid. They're like, I'm petrified of getting old. So you're making me feel better about getting old. So I had these I have these like two demographics going on. So it did feel really helpful. Like I felt like I was putting something out there that was of value. So that did help me get over my my fear because it was rewarding to be like, no, I because I love to be the one that's like I love doing other people's makeup, getting ready for prom. You know, I I like getting them dressed up like it's just that's so much fun to me.

20:30So it felt like that on a bigger scale. I'll speak for myself as a 30 year old who maybe is in that pool and did feel your content be impactful in terms of any sort of maybe ageism and fashion. Let's say that maybe that's the thing. And I'm not afraid of getting older, but I am afraid of the idea that as you get older, your style has to change. And I wonder what that feels like for you as someone who's completely defying that because to the point of what you were saying, watching your content made me be like, oh, I can do this forever. Like I can dress the way I want forever. And like, I can wear the cute dress and I can wear the bold print jacket and I can wear the heels and the jewelry and like, no one's going to stop me.

21:18That's right. So I want to hear a little bit about your, how you feel when you hear that phrase, as you get older, you need to quote unquote, tone it down. Well, it's interesting because I heard that from my mom, actually. My mom was very much, I mean, I'm like Boston, which is inherently a little bit more conservatively dressed. I grew up with, at a certain age, you cut your hair. At a certain age, you don't wear skirts that are above your kneecap. There are certain colors you don't wear. You don't like there were a lot of rules around what is appropriate dress. And it was actually my mother-in-law who is from Sun Valley, Idaho.

22:02She has hair that is down like Ella's hair, but she's in her 70s now and her hair is long. She wears a lot of chunky jewelry. She has just she's still wearing heels. I mean, it just threw everything completely opposite of what I was always told. And so she really was kind of this inspiration for me in this hands on. I met my husband. We started dating when I was 20. We met in college and she was like this creature from I didn't even know where she she because she's in Sun Valley and they were in California a lot. She always seemed to have a tan. I mean, she was just like this just amazing creature.

22:42So and through the years, she never gave that up. Like that is she has a signature look and she has stayed with it. And she always had sort of this, you know, exercise. She climbs mountains. She just does everything that I'm doing still that my, you know, Ella does at 20. So it really was her. I have to say she was just like, why do I have to cut my hair? I don't have to cut my hair. Like, I love my hair. So it was seeing it in real time. That was the inspiration for me that I got to see. So that was it. I think it takes one person. It's one person. One person. And you're that one person for so many people.

23:19What a rewarding thing. And there are a lot of I feel like there are way more because of social media. You now see a lot of, you know, 50 somethings that are that are, I think, doing that. You know, they're just get to see more of them. I think they were always out there. We just didn't see them. I always talk about two. I think her name is Grace. Yes. Grace. Grace. Yes. It's grace right yes it is yes it's but it's spelled g-r-g-r-e i always want to say grichy and then it's grace i guess okay i actually sat next to her and i was saying she's she's so fabulous i i saw her at the air med show from afar in paris and i was like she is she really is i well i i sat next to her when we were in copenhagen and i literally died i see it's next to hers She's amazing.

24:06She's got this like fabulous white hair. And like, I just, I love her style. And I love that she posts what, I'm not sure what she is, but she's posting in a bikini. No, literally. No, she's, yes. That, well, that's my mother-in-law. Well, she still wears bikinis. I mean, this is, I don't know if I'm going to do that, but I love that they are and that I can, if I want to. I mean, she looks amazing. She does. She's one of my favorite follows. Yeah, same. There's another one. I think Ren Reina is her name and her Instagram is Ben's wife. Same. Yep. Met her. Talk to her. She's lovely too. Lovely.

24:44So lovely. I just love that your age group is following these women. That's what's like, that's, what's amazing to me is that, see, I think for me, it's important to, I never talk about age really, because I sort of feel like I don't want someone to, I don't want it to be a crutch. Like, oh, she, she looks good for that age. Right. I want it to be that, that see, I think those two women that you just mentioned, they just have a, they have great style. They have great ways of putting clothes together. So regardless of their age, it's not even an issue. It's like, it's irrelevant, which I think in the end is kind of the point.

25:22It's like, should be the point, you know? I also love someone seeing people that are older than me thriving in this career. Yes, absolutely. I only got on Instagram when I was like 20. And every day since then, I've had people in my ear being like, what's the longevity of this? Or like, how long are you going to do this for? Oh, forever. Yeah. Like it's very inspiring for me. And it's, it gives me a lot of hope and it makes me excited. Yes. That is great. For me, it's a deeper level of seeing women older than me thriving. Right. I think honestly, that is what made this happen because I think that really is it.

26:00It's, I think that's what hit for people is it was the relationship with Ella and myself and just that, that added layer of inspo is hit a nerve. I don't know. I'm curious, something that I hear a lot from people in my life because they'll come to me for style advice or fashion advice, whatever a phrase I hear often is that's too young for me. Right. Anytime someone says to me, that's too young for me. I go, who told you that? Right. That's what I say. I'm like, but why? You know what? I'm going to twist it. I guess it's not even young or old for me. It's more, it's probably we're using that, but really it's just, it's not, there's a sophistication level of certain things that I would have worn when I was 20, but it's just not my look.

26:55It's just something like, like a cutoff denim skirt. That's super, super short. It's just, there's like a, it's, and it has nothing to do with the fact that it's short. I wear short things. I show my legs like it's not, but it's just certain things are, it's a sophistication level I'm going to go with. It's not really age, I guess. But I think we think of it as I would have done that. True. I would have done that when I was younger and I was. So, yeah, it's that's kind of where I'm at on that, I think. I agree with you. And I think it has to do with I think it has to do with, you know, a print or a bright color or maybe things that just feel a little unconventional.

27:35And I think that's a mold that needs to be broken because I do think that there's that kind of idea of like, as you were saying, as you like get older, you need to. There are rules. Yes. and be sophisticated. Yes. Yes. I totally disagree. Yeah. It's almost like we should be saying it's just not in my comfort zone, but it's not really. Is it really about age? Like, I don't know if it is, but you know, maybe we use that as an excuse. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say you are someone who wears like prints and colors and different layers so well for people who might be a little color shy. What's your best tip for putting yourself out there?

28:12I've been surrounded by color for as long as, I mean, again, I go back to interior. So like, I mean, I grew up, my grandmother, the entire first floor was painted dark, dark, dark green. So like, that's a lot, it's a bold, dark green. She had like colored Oriental rugs and like the table skirts that had paisley. So there was, I, I grew up around a lot of color layering pattern. I would almost say to start off with pale colors that go with neutral. So, you know, if it's a gray suit, maybe it's a gray lavender sweater that still feels kind of monochromatic, but it's sort of moving you into color, just like a hint.

29:01Baby steps. I would say baby steps for color. Totally agree. Right? Like, just keep it like pale blue. I always say it's that you're like layering under something. So it's not the whole moment. It's not the whole moment. And maybe not high contrast. I feel like maybe that's part of it. If it's super high, it's like maybe someone who's really color averse, don't go get a red sweater to wear with white jeans. Maybe just, you know, a very pale color. So you still feel like you're in your your zone. Slow step it. So be my advice. I like this kind of story about exposure therapy, as I was saying earlier, that, you know, being in these settings that have like right colors and prints and mixing and matching was very inspirational for you.

29:47Yeah. Growing to, you know, the fashion person that you are today. Is there something specific that you think has been most helpful through your life and refining your taste and finding what's true to you? Trial and error. Just trying like it doesn't always land. I mean, there are there. I look back on things that I've worn in the past and I would never wear it, but I tried it. So now I know. I mean, I think it's just having some fun with it and not being too risk averse. It's not that deep. It's something that you can try and fail. I mean, fail. What does that even mean? You know, it's not your favorite.

30:24Moving on, you know. So I think I think just a little bit of trial and error. I definitely in my 20s, I feel like I was very up on some of the trend, you know, very cognizant of different trends and love to kind of like hop on things quickly. But I always had such a like kind of classic base underneath it. So it didn't, it never went too far, even if I wanted it to. Saying it's not that deep is something that I've been trying to say to myself every morning when I'm getting dressed every day. It's like, I'm not changing the world. Joan Rivers isn't stationed outside of my house. It's going to be fine.

30:59It's going to be fine. your best hit. It's fine if it's not your greatest hit. It's fine. It's fine. Put on something that feels good and walk out the door. And even if you do something that isn't, you know, you're going to look back and be like, why did I walk out of the house like that? You had to try it. You had to try it. You can't knock it until you try it. So you might as well just try it. That's right. Just try it. Just go for it. I mean, there is so funny because I had a pill. I call it the pillow skirt. Do you remember? It's Prada, the white. It literally is a short. Oh, yeah. I love it.

31:28and I still love it and I stand by it and I'm going to wear it this winter again. Oh my God. People were, they could not, they were violent. They were, it was a violent reaction, but here's the thing. I kind of, I'd rather have a reaction than just nothing at all. Like, that's great. Like, so it, so it sparked something. Yes. Right. Yeah. So I mean, yeah. That pillow skirt still going strong. I love it. I feel like the pillow skirt slowly evolved into like the hoop skirt. Yes. Agreed. And a lot of like the wire. Agreed. That is so observant of you. Of course, you would know this, but that's such a good observation.

32:09I'm bringing it. I'm wearing it. Good. And everyone can lose it. The hemlines are changing. The hemlines are constantly evolving. Yes. Yes. Are there any other trends that you love right now? I really did like the bag charms that were everywhere. And I really did love them. And I never thought that I was talking about this. I didn't think I would love bag charms, but I really did. I, I really did. Do you have any? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I don't have an on now. Cause I, I have a clutch, but I, I do a Diener Rader makes like a very calm, tasteful, a sweet one that I have. But then I also got some, I have a Mew Mew one that I had a little while ago and I actually wore it when I was in Copenhagen, but who knew that one was not enough?

32:55One charm. I think there's an art form to like the layering of the charms. A hundred percent. It's not just one charm. No. You're telling a story. You are. It's a story. Yes. It's a story. And I love things to have a story. That's that's another thing with with I think fashion or again interiors. I love when there's a story. I love when there's some meaning in there. Like it it adds some it's like it just holds for me. So I don't think you can do the bag charms wrong. And it's just a fun thing for people to have. Like for some, again, someone who's maybe a little risk averse in their clothing, you can do that and you can have a little, you know, a little fun with your fashion.

33:32Not so serious. I really love your relationship with Ella and the way that you guys bond over fashion and how it's such an integral part of your platform. How do you think that, you know, intergenerational fashion has brought you guys closer? It's so sweet. And honestly, I think it's one of my favorite things to see on Instagram. It's not something you see often. No, I think it's interesting. I mean, obviously, like we've gotten opportunities to do things that we would have never been able to do. So that's just a given. We've gotten to travel. We've gotten to do photo shoots there. That's just amazing.

34:05But I think what's interesting is almost this weird concept that if you're a teenager, you hate your mom and you don't have a good relationship. Or if you do, it's almost embarrassing. You don't really voice that. and that was something that came out of doing some of the videos. There's a lot of people saying, okay, I used to kind of like, like my mom's actually my, I'm really close to my mom or my mom's actually my best friend. I talk to her all the time, but I didn't want to tell anyone that because that's not very cool sounding. And you guys are making me feel like that's okay, that I actually am really close to my mom.

34:40Or unfortunately on the flip side too, there's the, I really wish I had a relationship like this with my mom. And, but it's inspiring me that I'm going to have a really good relationship with my kids. So that's been fabulous come out of it. But she and I, I mean, we're tight. We just, it doesn't matter if we did this or not. She's just, she's my favorite person to hang out with. I love that. Fashion was, fashion is very important to my mom and I too. It definitely was like our first bonding point. I have like all my fondest childhood memories were sitting in her like closet room on like the chaise and just watching her get dressed.

35:15And I think it was deeply informative to the way I get dressed today. Yes, absolutely. And there was like one designer that she loved so much when I was growing up and I ended up wearing that designer at my wedding and like paying homage to her. Oh my gosh. I think it, I think fashion between mother and daughters can really be a language if you let it. Absolutely. It's funny. We have like a manicurist come to my house once a month and she'll do both of our nails. And she's always like, the only thing you two talk about is clothes and fashion. And I'm like, cause it is our, it's our language. it's our like it's our love language between each other yes um so i think it really can be if you let it it's very special we also have astrology as a love language for us ella is deeply involved in astrology so that becomes a bit of a love language that my husband's like can you stop talking it's not because they're a scorpio okay that's not why they're doing whatever it is i get that a lot i have a lot of like things and people will be like so aquarius so yeah is that a jab or a compliment.

36:11I don't know. I'm going to leave it there. Exactly. Just right there. No, that's it. Yeah. Whenever we close the show, we always ask one question, which is that if you were able to change anything in fashion right now, what would it be? I would, I wish I could slow it down. I feel like it's too fast. It's like the beauty of social media is that you have so many people who can be out there again, me, I would never have been, that would never have happened at 50. You suddenly are doing this brands wouldn't have been hire me, whatever. So there's the plus of that, right? You're reaching anyone can get on there, but it's just, there's so much and it's so fast.

36:51Like I, I do miss having a magazine that I would get once a month and pour through. And it just, it's, it's sort of this, I did see a stat, you know, that data, but make it fashion. You know that account? I'm obsessed with her. Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, I'm such a fan of what she does. She's so smart, Harvard educated. I love it. It's really just, I think, giving a very different perspective into fashion that I don't see anywhere else. I love it. But she, she, she had something on there recently that I saw that it was basically people are buying more, but they're wearing their clothes less. That makes sense.

37:30And that is sort of because it's because it's just, there's so much so fast that you kind of feel, oh, oh, I do like that. Oh, I like that. I like that. It's just, so what I want is never, I can't do. But if I could, I would slow this down a little, this train down. But, you know, this season, I'm wearing a lot of stuff from last season and trying to, I'm not trying to educate anyone. That's not what I'm here for. But it's just sort of like, listen, I just I'm showing you like I'm wearing this stuff and I'm repeat wearing. So if you got this suit or whatever, you got this bag. Here it is again.

38:07And that's the part about it. There's no link because it's not in here anymore. But, you know, for people who have been following for a while or if they had something like it, just to see it's not it's not all new, new, new, new every, you know, second. Long live the Prada pillow skirt. long live Prada. And I'm going to think of you when I wear her next, because I'm going to pull her out to see the OOTD of it. I am honestly, I think this is one of my favorite episodes I've done in a very long time. You are truly one of my, like you are a bright spot for me on Instagram. And I'm so grateful that you journeyed from home.

38:44Oh my gosh. Of course. I would never have missed this. It was so really hope that we can meet IRL. Yes, I would love that. I would love that. Well, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.

39:39Thank you.