How Maren Taylor Went from Intern to Styling Paige DeSorbo, Olivia Culpo, and More

0:01Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of Let's Get Dressed. It's your host Liv for us. I hope you're all having a great start to your week. Thanks for tuning in for another episode. Today we are answering the question, what are all the it girls wearing these days? I decided to go straight to the source and sat down with stylist Maren Taylor, the woman behind the effortlessly chic wardrobes of Paige DeSorbo, Olivia Culpo, Paige Lorenz, and more. After getting her start working for stylist Dani Michelle, the stylist behind Kendall Jenner and Healy Bieber, Maren has become the eyes and closet behind some of fashion's best dressed women.

0:38We talk about building your client list, the art of the cold email, and the process that goes into creating some of, I think we can say all of our most saved outfits on Instagram. We also talk about her best styling tips, the calzedonia tights that she uses on repeat, her go-to trick for the perfect blazer sleeve, and why tailoring for her is a non-negotiable. By the way, she's six foot. So if you are a tall girl, then this episode is definitely for you. I am so obsessed with this episode because I'm equally as obsessed with Maren. I've been following her for a while and she truly has such a good eye.

1:11So let's go get dressed with Maren Taylor. Hey, Maren. Hi. Welcome to the pod. Thank you so much for having me. Selfishly, I love having this podcast because all the women that I fangirl over on the internet, I just invite them to my house for the podcast. I mean, yeah, I feel that way about your podcast too. It's like all my girls that I look up to. Thank you. That's so sweet. You've been, again, someone that I have looked up to and I love your style and I love your work. So thrilled to have you on. You walked in the door and I was like, oh my God, she's much taller in person. Yes. I'm six foot.

1:41What? I know. It's really crazy. I was like a volleyball player. I was a swimmer. I was an athlete my whole life. And everyone said like, why don't you model? And I was like, because I like to eat and I don't like to work out. But now that I work in fashion and that so many of the designers that I wear make clothes for tall women, I love it. No, it's really the greatest thing ever that you are six foot. Because I was saying earlier, me and my tailor are best friends. Yeah. As a five foot four girly. I see it a lot with my short friends. Oh my God. I'm tailoring every pant that comes in the door.

2:14Do you just walk into stores and try things on and they fit you perfectly? Yes. Oh my God. Sometimes when pants are too long for me, I'm like, who is this made for? Like if I have to shorten a pant, which happens sometimes. No way. Yes. The Roe gala pant, I had to shorten it. Well, the Roe gets a pass at everything in this life. And I was just like, this is so crazy. Who is this for? Who is the Amazonian woman wearing this pant? Not Six Foot You or Nara Smith. No. But you know. True. Literally, that's it. Well, I'm excited to talk about your journey. I feel like you have had one of those careers in my mind that is so, I feel like everybody wants to do what you're doing.

2:50And I also love the way that you've gotten to where you are. I think that there's so many teachable moments from that experience. Yeah. So I would love it if you could take me back a little bit. Tell me what first made you fall in love with fashion. Fashion is definitely something that's always been like a huge part of my identity when I mean, if you look back at pictures of me from kindergarten, like I'm wearing sunglasses and a bandana, like you're going to need to resurface these photos. I will. I will send them to you. Accessories have always been so important to me. Like I was the kid that my parents, they didn't dress me like they let me have full creative vision, which was great.

3:27And then that sort of carried on into high school. I was like always the one that was really obsessed with what my friends were wearing for prom and helping them pick their shoes and going shopping with people. Like I think creating a look is something that I've always been obsessed with, whether it was on me, whether it was on someone else. So I think when I figured out that I could make a career out of that sentiment, like it was game over for me. I also know you're a big capsule wardrobe girly. I am. I've seen all over your TikTok that you love a capsule wardrobe. What I'm wearing right now is what you will.

3:59I don't always wear a heel. It would be like this with a loafer. Yep. But I think that when I was in college, I used to dress a lot more. And even when I first moved to L.A., I dressed a lot more, like I said, in trends. And And I think now I give so much to my clients, like all of my energy. If I find something amazing, it's not for me. It's for I have to give it to one of my girls. So when it comes to dressing for me, I just find that dressing in a capsule wardrobe like just is so much easier for me. I love I mean, everything I'm wearing is vintage. Vintage Levi's, vintage belt, vintage blazer.

4:36Where's the blazer from? A random vintage store in Paris. Love. Yeah, I've had it since I was in college. Do you have vintage stores that you love to shop at in LA? I do. I love Scout. I love Recess. I love Decades. Yes. Literally speaking my language. Keep going. Yeah. But then there's like, you know, for my clients, a lot of them shop at Tab. I have, you know, there's these two guys that have The Realist. I don't know if you're familiar with them. They're incredible. Like I've, you know, been working with them for a long time. They're fabulous. And then there's vintage people all around the world.

5:05I have people I work with in Oklahoma, Hong Kong. long. Like vintage is just such an important part of my job. I love putting my clients in something that someone else couldn't find. No girl wants to show up somewhere wearing the same thing as someone else. So it's kind of that like instant. Yeah. You're like, oh, this is going to be a unique hit. Yes. And I also always love wearing something vintage. I could tell the story like, oh, this is from this year. This is, you know, I think that there's so much more to it than just that. And I find with my vintage pieces, they're the ones that when I go to clean out my closet, I don't get rid of.

5:38Nope. Never. I won't get rid of bags that I haven't worn in 10 years. Yeah. Like I had a city bag for a long time. Okay. I didn't wear it for 10 years. Now look where we are. I know. And she's getting all the love and praise and it's back like we never left. Yeah. I really feel the exact same way. Yeah. I love what you were saying about trends. Of course, they go to your girls, but what's a trend right now that you're excited about? What's something that you're like passing on to your girls? We're obsessed with tights right now. I cannot, to every fitting we do. I call Caroline like an hour before the fitting and say, we need to go to Wolford and we need to get like monochromatic stockings.

6:13I, I, I just always love monochromatic dressing. I think that like me as a stylist, I love to match. Like I love when my bags match my shoes. I love doing that on a client. I love when you're in an all Brown look and you have monochromatic Brown tights. Like we live for it. Let's talk about this because I get asked this all the time. Instagram, Substack, everywhere. People asking me, how do I do the tights? And I have to say, tights are not for me, but I also maybe haven't done it right myself. So I think it also hasn't. I think we're just getting into tight season. Of course. Yeah. We're about to be in the holidays.

6:48But so, okay. Walk me through your tight methodology. Like what colors are you leaning towards and how are you styling them? Because if I, if you gave me a pair of red tights right now, I'd be like, okay, red, maybe with like a red dress. Yeah. Yes. I think that they're also really fun. I think a bright color, like a red, a bright red is really fun for like editorial. We just did a really fun editorial shoot that comes out soon. And we did some fun, like bright colored tights for that. And then I think for more, at least for like my personal taste, we just did a street style fitting and we incorporated like it was like an all brown look, like a brown leather jacket with a brown mini skirt, brown tights and like a brown heel.

7:27And it's just it just looks so rich. I love this for the holidays. Yeah. I love making people look rich. You know? I absolutely do. I love when everything is cohesive and put together and yummy and expensive. It doesn't have to be expensive, but I like when it looks expensive and I feel like something about the tights. They're just... It's a good move. They're tying it all together for me. Wolford I love, obviously, because they make great ones, but anywhere else that you think... Chalcedonia. Chalcedonia. Even better. I'm like, sorry, I love Wolford. and less expensive. $12 for tights. Yep. And they're so good.

8:01They don't rip. There you go. The twenties. Calzado, there's, they come in numbers of the, like how opaque they are. And the twenties are your go-to. Yeah. And if you get the totally invisible, it's like, we'll say it on the box. Yep. There's no like seam in the crotch line. So they're just like, they don't, there's, I can't find any other stockings like that, that like have all the seams. Like they're just like a band around your waist and then the clean tight. Tori Birch does really good tight styling. Yes. I was just on their website. There's this like deer print dress that I really love. I know which one you're talking about.

8:33And the way they have it styled is with a chocolate brown tight that matches the dress and a chocolate brown heel. I love that. And that kind of the other day, I was like, I think I could do that. That would look really good on you. Because I think that dress needs a tight. Like I could see it to like a cocktail party in the winter, but a black one just wouldn't make sense. It'd be too harsh. It wouldn't. Yeah. I agree with you. I think, and I don't know why for the longest time, I feel like people thought it was either like black tights or no tights. And now I love that. Like, yeah, same. And I love that color tights are coming into play now.

9:00I also feel like on the runway this season, there was a lot of just generally cobalt blue and I'm obsessed. I can't pull off blue, but I can't wait to put it on someone else. Cobalt blue is a color or a cobalt blue tight color. Just generally as a dress, as a jacket. 100%. I also love all white for the winter. Oh, the people that will message me and be like, can you wear white past Labor Day? I'm like, Like, let me tell you white when white really thrives. It's not in the summer. I agree. It's in the winter. Oh, my God. Like a white fur coat over a white dress with like you could even do white tights and white shoes.

9:32Yeah, I'm obsessed. OK, let's dive into your career. Thank you so much for this tight tantrum. I really appreciated it. You went to Indiana University. You studied fashion merchandising there. Yes. And I know that that's one of the top programs. So talk to us a little bit about why you went there and what that experience was like. Yeah. So I am from Michigan originally and I, I didn't want to go, I wanted to stay in the Midwest. I wanted like the big 10 college feel. I wanted like football and I just wanted a very normal college experience. I went in as an international studies major, which looking back, I'm like, I had, I had no business being there, but I, as someone I like had heard that the apparel merchandising major at Indiana was really good.

10:13So my sophomore year, I transferred into that major. And I definitely was like, this is so much more my speed, but I didn't want to be a buyer. So like, I think I had kind of known, like, I would love to make a career out of fashion, but I didn't want to be a buyer because I didn't love math. And I didn't want to be a designer because I can't draw. Yep. So once I kind of was like, let me just get this general fashion degree. It was such a good program. There was a huge, like my classes were, were huge. There was a ton of amazing professors who worked in the school of art and design. And we just had a ton of resources.

10:47So I, I was like, I'll just, I'll figure it out. I'll just like become a buyer and then I'll figure it out. And I had a friend whose uncle was, is still the editor in chief of paper magazine. And he got me an interview at paper for the summer between my sophomore and junior year of college. And after I did that internship and I saw a stylist on set, I was like, there it is. That's what I didn't I didn't know that that was something you could do for a job like I I think this was right around the same time that like Instagram was sort of like becoming really big and I I started following Danny Michelle who became my boss and all of these other amazing stylists and I just started to realize like oh my god you can you can make this a job and then yeah it was that internship that really like solidified it for me and I was like great this is it like everything thing that I did from that moment on was to like make sure I became a stylist.

11:40Was there a time during your intern era? Because I know you went to Parsons, Paris, you interned at Oscar de la Renta. I'm wondering if there was a moment that was most formative for you that feels really relevant to what you're doing today. I think like I realized during those internships, even in this really high fashion world that seemed really intimidating and exclusive and very foreign to me, like I realized it was okay to make mistakes and that at the end of the day, like we're all just people. And there are so many amazing people who work in these industries that now have become like friends and family to me.

12:12So I think just realizing like it's okay, it's okay to not be perfect, even in this industry that felt so intimidating. Like so many people gave me grace and helped me grow. And I'm really grateful for that. I love that you brought up Dani Michelle, because I know that you started working with her. So how How did you guys meet? Between my junior and senior year of college. So I did the internship in New York. Then fast forward to my junior year of college. I did. I went to study abroad at Parsons, Paris, like you said. And then I came back to Indiana for my senior year. And I was really at that point, like, I think coming back to school for me was a little bit jarring.

12:50Like I had just come from this. I had come from Paris and I was really eager to just get to work. So I knew that as soon as I graduated, I wanted to move to LA and I wanted to do styling. I like, you know, I, I was like, I'm going to graduate and then I'm going to move right to LA. And then the pandemic hit, I graduated during the pandemic. So I moved home for three months. And then I think it was August. I told my parents, like, I can't do this anymore. Like I need to just go to LA. I will become a nanny. Like I will figure it out. Cause there wasn't, no one was working, especially like in this industry.

13:23So my parents were like, okay, like you could move. We'll give you a couple months to figure it out. I was on the plane going to LA and I had emailed, I think, 20 stylists at that point. I didn't even think to email someone like Dani because I was like, I can't even set my sights on someone like that. Like she's not, she's just, she doesn't want someone like me with no experience. So I was on the plane and she emailed me back. I decided to email her. She wrote me back, I think within like 10 minutes and was like, can you start tomorrow? Like I'm looking for an intern. And yeah, I was with her like every day since then.

13:56The value of a cold email. I know. I live and die by them. I know. Even to this day, I've been doing this for 10 years. And I think people think that the cold email era is for the beginning. I am cold emailing people every day. I mean, yeah. I cold emailed you. You reached out to me on Instagram. Yep. Or no, it was email. But yeah, I yeah, you you learning the art of a cold email is what is going to have you persevere through a successful career. I completely agree. And I think that what Danny now says and what I now see as I have people reaching out to me is like cold emailing is amazing. I think there's just such a way to go about it.

14:32Like I came from this like very professional college background where like we were writing cover letters in my classes. So I sent Danny such a professional email and I think that really stood out and helped me. Can you elaborate on that a little bit? I'm curious, like for you, what do you think the art is? Like what's, what's a way to nail it? Like I have girls, which it's okay. Girls and guys that will DM me and just say like, I would love to work for you period. And like sort of just leave it at that. And for me, it's like, not to say that I get so many of those, but like, I don't know, that doesn't really tell me anything about like you or what your experience is.

15:04whereas sometimes I'll get emails of girls who have like attached a full resume who have attached a cover letter and I think that this job can be impersonal in a way like it feels this job feels very cool and fun to people and it is that way but there still has to be a professional aspect to it and I think when I see that someone else is taking it as seriously as I took it I really respond to that. I think it's say hi in the DMs. Yes. Ask for the email. Take it out of the DMs right away. Agreed. Like I always like to start there because if it's a brand or a person, I'm like, oh, they'll see my work.

15:41Maybe we can resonate there. But even if you're not a creative, like just seeing who you are, I think is important. At the end of the day, all this is about human connection. So like let's connect on that human level first. Right. And be like, hey, I'm this. Can I get your email? I want to send you. I'm really interested in working for you. I want tell you more about me and send you my resume. Right. And I think it's just like being personable. And I think that there is definitely an element of like weeding out if people want to work with you because they are fans of your clients or if they want to work with you because they love fashion.

16:13And I think for me, like, I just love I love this so much as a job. So I think that that's a really that's really you got to you got to weed those people out. You ended up being Dani's first assistant. Yes. Can you share for people who might not know what all that looks like, what that entails? So the structure is different for everyone. Like for me, I just have Caroline. She's just my assistant. Dani has a whole team. So I started as an intern for Dani. Then I became her like second assistant. Actually, before that, I became her studio manager. So I was overseeing like all of the shipping, all of the, you know, managing the emails, managing the studio.

16:51Then I sort of became there was someone else had been was working there. Then I became the second assistant. And then as time went on, I ended up becoming the first assistant. And that basically just meant that I was like Danny's right hand. So pretty much anywhere that she was, I was or if she wasn't able to be somewhere, I would like go in her place. And I think there's just so much trust that comes with that. And I mean, we we had that. we still have that. I literally talk to her like nearly every day. And she's such an amazing friend and mentor to me. And like, I can't imagine doing this without her.

17:25Like, I mean, she brought me into this world. I would not be sitting here if it wasn't for her. I really like what you were saying earlier about this business being equal part businesswoman as it is creative. Yes. Can you share a little bit about what she's taught you in that? Because I think that's a really important point that a lot of people who end up succeeding are the ones that get that right. Yeah. You've got to be able to have it both. And I think that's with any field. Like I think with podcasting or with whatever it is, like even being an influencer, I think you have to obviously have like an amazing team around you.

17:57I have an amazing agent and amazing assistant and amazing publicist. Like I'm so grateful for all of the people that are around me that allow me to be creative. But like at the end of the day, I still go through my credit cards every single day and make sure all of the UPS receipts and all of the like, you know, FedEx and all of the every we go to staples and like everything just has to be filed in a specific place. And sometimes you're paying for things for the client. Sometimes you're paying for wardrobe and then all that has to be reimbursed. So there's just a lot of logistics around money and just just everything that you have to make sure that all of that is dialed.

18:36And I personally can't be creative unless I know that all of that is like being taken care of. I say in this industry, have a good accountant and have a good lawyer. Amen. The end. I just got an attorney and he's fabulous. Because my philosophy in life is like, if I can't, if I'm not an expert in something, outsource. Always. Outsource. You have to. Yeah. And I think knowing when to outsource is something that I'm still learning, but it's important. So how did you know it was the right time for you to go off on your own? it. First of all, I have to say how wonderful it is to hear you still have this really fruitful and incredible relationship with Danny in this industry.

19:13That's not always the case. I think that's a testament to both of you being wonderful people. Thank you. So what was that moment where you were like, I'm ready to go off on my own? It was hard. I like I think I started to have the itch. I don't know, maybe like I worked for her for I think four and a half years. I think like right around the end, I started to have an itch. And I think that a couple people had reached out to me. So I started working consistently with my now two clients, Paige DeSorbo and Paige Lorenz. I think when I realized that I was starting to get busy with the two of them and also just other like one-off jobs that I was doing.

19:48And I felt like I wasn't, it did never got to the point where I wasn't still giving my full-time job a hundred percent. But I think when I started to realize like, okay, this is not sustainable and I'm not going to be able to continue to give Danny 100 % was like, that didn't feel fair to me because I know how much like she's put in to building her business. And I was like, you know, there's not, there's no good time to leave. Like, I don't, I don't even really know if I felt ready. My parents were like, what are you doing? Like everyone around me was like, are you sure? And I was like, I'm just going to like leap of faith it.

20:23And I don't know, I'm kind of like still just day by day. And I think when I had started working with both of my pages was when I kind of realized like, okay, these are two girls who are busy and are like, you know, can keep me busy. And so I was like, I'll just hope that it, hope that it works out. And then from there I started working, it just kind of started building. And then I signed with my agency who helped me, helps me get jobs, you know, all the time. To me, styling is a lot about relationships, not just with clients, but with brands, with other stylists. Can you share a little bit about how you grow and maintain those?

20:59I feel like every stylist has that we've had on the podcast has been like all about the relationships. It really is. I mean, I just can't imagine doing this job without having I know I keep going back to like my assistant experience, but like these when I now, you know, go off on my own and like reach out to a brand like these are people that I've been a lot of times. Sometimes I'm forming new relationships, but these are a lot of people that I've been working with for years and years. So I've, you know, I've been talking to them for four years. So now they're really excited to support me now that I'm on my own.

21:32And I think that like each client has a different set of brands that they're like, this is sort of like, this is my vibe. These are like my target brands. And then I think just like fostering each individual client's relationships and what they're looking for. And like, there's nothing. My favorite thing is when you like form a new relationship, your client has never worked with the brand before. And then they get like this amazing placement and then like it all just sort of like snowballs from there. That's the best. I mean, being a stylist is so much about being a connector. You're connecting people to brands.

22:04You're connecting them to the better version of themselves. 100%. It really is that you're the glue. Yeah. No, it's totally about relationships. And I think like I'm just I'm a very extroverted person. And I think that's one of the most fun parts of this job for me is like how social it really is. Do you think it's interesting that you say that? Do you think in today's world, a stylist can just be a stylist? Or do you think you have to be doing so much more? I think that there is definitely something to be said about being like a very behind the scenes sort of stylist and someone that like doesn't have an online presence per se.

22:42I don't think it's like I don't think it's necessary. I think having social media and having an Instagram is important. I don't think that you have to be someone that's like sharing and like wants to necessarily become an influencer. But I do think like that's how clients kind of find you nowadays. Like I think that we use our social media, Instagram especially, as our portfolios. And obviously we have agents that are constantly pitching us for jobs and they have relationships and that is extremely helpful. But like I think, you know, sometimes clients are scrolling on their own Instagram and they might come across another stylist.

23:22I mean, that was how Paige DeSorbo reached out to me. It was just through Instagram. So that's how you guys met for the first time. Yeah. Yep. She followed me on Instagram. I reached out to her while I was like still working with Dani and just said like, I'm obsessed with you on Summer House. Like I was just like, I want to be friends with this girl. Like she's fabulous. I don't know a person who is not obsessed with Paige. She's everything and more. Like she really is. She is. and I DM her and tell her this all the time. She is my Audrey Hepburn. She is. She truly is. She's Audrey. Fully. The cat, the vibes, the whole thing.

23:53And yeah, so then she followed me after I DM'd her. And then I think when she saw that I was taking my own client, she reached out. She has a really distinctive style for me. I feel like I can look at something and say, that's so, Paige. And it's really fun to hear you say at the beginning of this interview that creating a signature style is something that you've been doing your whole life back to when you were a kid. How have you worked with Paige to kind of create that like that so Paige moment? I think the thing with Paige that I love so much about her and like what makes working with her so fulfilling is that no matter what she's wearing, like she is going to make it a moment.

24:31She could be going on Good Morning America and like it's 5 a.m. and she's doing glam or she could be going on like Jimmy Fallon or doing something for her book or whatever it is, doing something for Amazon and she just fully commits. Like she commits with the bag, with the shoes, with the glam. Like she just makes everything a moment. She knows how to get the photo. And I think like we sort of like to whatever the vibe is, we sort of like to like create this character and she just leans into it. I love her style as well because of the fact that she blends high end and low end. Like I love that I can see her in a look that you style, but then also see her doing an Amazon live the next day.

25:08What is your best advice for that mix of high and low? I think like with Paige specifically, for example, tonight, she's going to this event and she's wearing this look that like opened a runway show. And then she's wearing a pair of a hundred dollar shoes with the look because those were the shoes that were right with the outfit. Like, I think that finding what feels right to you and not being so focused on like who makes it and what the label is. Like, of course, there's a time and a place where you want to like show off that you're wearing a designer. But I think like especially with, you know, if you're wearing a full outfit and you want to mix in like a belt that's a no name brand or sunglasses, like I love mixing high and low.

25:51And I think just don't be so focused on who makes it. I also love Paige Lorenzo style. She's someone who I just think also I can look at and say, that's also so Paige thousand percent. Specifically, I think something that was that resonated with me a lot in the last, you know, three months with her style. Obviously, I know everyone's excited for her wedding. Oh, my God. Yes. Paige Lorenz courtside at the U.S. Open in Burberry. So good. Was very iconic. There were a lot of vintage pieces in there that you could tell were her own. But then she was also working with the brand and going to dinner.

26:25So can you talk a little bit about how creative moments like that come together? Because I did have a lot of friends being like, did the brand dress her? Is she wearing that on her own? So I think there's a lot of debunking to do in the fashion industry, which is something we love to do on this pod. No, Paige Lorenz and I love, like I told Paige I was doing this today and Paige is so excited for people to know more about our process because my process with Paige Lorenz is extremely collaborative, like because she's based in Connecticut and we don't always get that like in-person time together.

26:55Everything we do is so extremely collaborative. First of all, we both love vintage. Like I think you can just tell from her overall vibe of her home and her brand, like everything feels very vintage inspired. And I think that's part of the reason that we work so well together. She always jokes with me, like she can send me something and like a vintage piece that she'll see on Pinterest. And I'll have like found it within 30 seconds because not to say it's easy for us, but it's what we do all day. and it's just been really fun. So Tommy has her fiance has a partnership, like has a deal with Burberry.

27:33And so we knew that we wanted to like lean into that and play off of those vibes. And I think just doing something that felt like vintage Burberry, it felt very like organic to what we've already been doing. No one sold me better on those shoes than her. I know I was on that the next day being like, do I need Burberry plaid sandals? I know. I guess I do. I completely agree. Yeah. And then that look she did for that dinner was amazing. Yes. We had fit that look, actually, I think for Wimbledon and it never ended up getting its moment at Wimbledon. So then when we found out we had this dinner, it was just perfect.

28:05I truly love your style. Paige, if you're listening, please come on this podcast. Oh my God. We love you here. We love you, Paige. Like I said, it's very collaborative. I would say the U.S. Open is at the end of August. We start, I think I started making mood boards for that end of June. So like two months out of the U.S. Open and then I'll send her the mood boards. And then she sort of like zooms in on specific vibes and is like, let's lean into this sporty vibe. Let's lean into this vintage world. And she, yeah, it's, it's, there's a lot of back and forth when she walks into a fitting, she more so than anyone has a really good idea of what's going to be on the rack because we've been, we've been chatting about it for a while.

28:42So is that the process? Because I mean, for both of these amazing women, they have such a distinctive sense of style. Obviously you bring in a stylist who can help amplify these things. But one piece of commentary that I see going around that I absolutely hate is why do we have influencers who are fashionable getting stylists? That just means you're not stylish. I hate that. Can you walk us through kind of the process when you are putting looks together to kind of share with the audience about what that process is actually like? It's more than just, hey, put this on your body. Definitely. I think there is such a level of trust.

29:18It's really fun to work with someone who is down to take a risk and trust you. Like, I think when you've worked with someone, like I've worked with these two amazing women for so long. And I do think now there's a level of trust. Like if maybe they look at something and they don't understand it at first, but like, then they try it on and we're all obsessed with it. Like, I think that's always a really fulfilling and fun moment. And like I said, like how I outsource, if I'm not the expert, I think both of these two women just are so busy in their day-to-day lives. And so they don't have time to be dealing with the vintage dealers that are in Oklahoma and Utah and all the people that I'm working with.

29:54And so I think that like just bringing, like I said, bringing them things that they would not be able to find themselves is always the most challenging, but the best part of our job. Yeah. You need someone who's dealing with all that back and forth. Putting together a look guys is not easy. Oh my God. It's so not easy. No, it's not just the dress. It's the shoes. It's the bag. It's the makeup. It's the hair. It's the jewelry. It's everything. Oh, my God. For a fitting. Sometimes for a fitting, we will be emailing. We make these crazy spreadsheets. We'll be emailing like over 100 brands at one time.

30:24And they're all like we'll stay up until 2 a.m. because we're emailing the brands that are in Paris and we make sure we're awake. There's a lot that goes into it. And I think that it's like for us, it's really fun. I like cannot believe that I do something for work that I think is so fun. And I love when I am at a fitting and I can tell that they're also having fun with the process and they don't feel like it's this chore. I love that. Like working with someone who gets really into it is, is really fun. I get a lot of questions about on camera tips and even for your girls who are on camera frequently, I will get questions of like, what should I wear for a zoom interview?

31:02So what's your best piece of advice for styling a look? If you are going to be on camera. I think like for, okay, so say my client is going on Jimmy Fallon. Okay. So what are they doing on Jimmy Fallon? They're going to be sitting the whole time. Like if they're going on a podcast, are you going to be sitting? If you're going, if you're doing, I don't know, if you're going on a carpet and you're going to be standing, like I think knowing what is the photo that's going to live, like what are you going to be doing in that photo and how is it going to look while you're sitting. So if we're doing a look for Jimmy Fallon, we'll pull over a chair and rather than just doing fitting photos standing up, we'll see how the look sits.

31:39And I think really understanding like, okay, what is it that I'm going to be doing in this outfit? And sometimes you could love an outfit, but it doesn't sit right. And if you're going to be sitting, then like, okay, maybe this outfit is better for a carpet where there's just going to be a standing photo. Perfect example was Dakota Johnson on Jimmy Fallon. Yes. That was crazy. Oh my God. It was so crazy. For those of you who didn't see it, this was like a month ago. She was on Jimmy Fallon wearing a dress that was like incredibly low cut around the bus, like basically like a U down to her boobs pretty much.

32:08And she couldn't sit. A thousand. Yeah. I mean, definitely like I love a short skirt. By the way, she looks so hot. Fabulous outfit. I have no qualms with the outfit. A hundred percent. But you could tell in that moment that she was uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah. And so like today, Paige is going to this event where she's going to be interviewing someone and sitting down. And so the look we ended up with her wearing is just a very like clean, flat dress that we both said like this is going to sit really well. Another piece of advice I have to ask from you. You are a stylist and you're six foot. Talk to me about tall girl styling tips.

32:41I just think, OK, well, we can get more specifically into tall girl styling. I just think generally I cannot imagine doing what I do like we talked about earlier without without tailoring. Like I cannot do my job unless without the help of these amazing tailors that I work with, like they make a, they can completely change an outfit. They make it come to life, like shortening and hemming and knowing when to take it in is so such an important part of an outfit. So just generally tailoring, if you don't take, like, why are you spending all this money on clothes and then not tailoring them? I would never go to a fitting with a client and not bring a tailor.

33:21Honestly, like I've just kind of always been this way my whole life. Like people will say to me, oh my God, I love that you wear heels. I'm like, yeah, like go for it. I being tall is hot and cool. I think that like just being confident and owning it. If there's a brand that makes a shoe like these row shoes, I'm not going to miss out on them because I'm tall and I don't want to be even taller. No, wear the shoes. Wear the shoes. Wear the shoes. Is there somebody out there right now who you think has impeccable style? I would say my like, like they are the most dynamic duo I think right now is Jenna Ortega and her stylist Enrique Melendez.

33:59He and her are, I think every carpet that she steps out onto, she looks so insanely fabulous. Like everything is tailored so well. I think they do such a good job of bringing her vibe, especially like when she plays into like the Wednesday Addams vibes. I think they just do such a good job of making her look so cool. And it's different, which I love. Like I thought her Academy Gallo look fabulous was insane. What was that? Grace Ling. Grace Ling. I actually put Paige in a Lorenz in a Grace Ling look a couple of years ago, but love them. Love Jenna. I just think like they just get each other and you can tell.

34:35What is your best advice for somebody who wants to be a stylist? Obviously, we've heard so much about your journey here, but you know, you've gone from studying fashion in college, working for Danny Michelle, now being off on your own and having incredible clients. What would you say to somebody who wants to be in the same career as you? I just feel like you can't take no for an answer. Like if you really want to do this and you reach out to people to assist them or to help out on a shoot and like you keep getting no for an answer, then like email someone else. Like, I think it was Kris Jenner who said on like an episode of the Kardashians before, like if someone tells you, no, you're talking to the wrong person.

35:08And like, I so agree with that. I think that like, for me, I knew that this was the end goal and I was just not going to settle until I did it. And, and just truthfully, I can't imagine doing this without having been an assistant. I think like knowing what all the different showrooms have and like knowing, I think that's a huge part of working with a stylist is not only are you getting their vision, but you're getting their expertise, like of knowing where to get things. And then again, just knowing how to be like a savvy business person. Okay, little stylist lightning round. Okay. To close this out.

35:44Okay. What's your favorite brand to pull right now? Courage. Ooh. Vintage Courage. I was not expecting that. I'm so obsessed with anything that feels 60s. Like I do love new Courage, but specifically vintage Courage. Every time I see it, I'm like, that's the cutest thing I've ever seen. What's your go-to styling hack? kind of random, but I wear a lot of button downs. So the, you know what I'm going to say, putting hair ties underneath my cuffs. Like I'm honestly surprised I didn't do it today. I, I do it every day. Just make sure you get a soft rubber band. Yes. I for a long time was using hard ones and I was like, Oh my God, I'm cutting off the circulation on my arm.

36:22No, literally, but it is the best hack. And then you would, so basically guys, you put a rubber band at kind of like the elbow point. Yeah. Like right here. Of your blazer and then roll it up over the rubber band and no one will know the rubber bands there, but you will have a perfectly kind of rolled up sleeve. Yep. Who's your dream client? Honestly, Victoria Beckham. I'm just so obsessed with her. She's everything to me. Did you watch the documentary? Yes. Did you love it? Couldn't look away. Couldn't look away. I wish there was like a little bit more. No, I agree. Like I could have had 20 episodes.

36:52I wish there was more because I feel like with David's one, we really got like so I like didn't really care about him before. And now I'm like, I love that man. And I also love Victoria Beckham beauty. I love Victoria Beckham as a brand and I love Victoria Beckham as a human. So I just like I wanted more on all of it. Does she use a stylist? You know, I don't know the answer. I'm sure she does. Yeah, I think she probably has someone that's like London based. But oh, my God, I would just die to work with her. I love that. What's one trend you want to see gone forever? I hate logos. Yeah. Oh my God.

37:26Like, yeah. Yes. I want them gone forever. I'm thrilled. I now, because I'm someone that's like starting to like accumulate more of a capsule wardrobe, like I'm just so obsessed, not even necessarily with quiet luxury, but like I find myself gravitating towards like, I love Bottega because like, if you know, you know, with like the way the bag looks, but I love that it doesn't say Bottega on it. Like sometimes I wish with Prada that like the logo wasn't so big. What's one thing in your closet you will never stop wearing? A blazer. Yeah. I just love them. I feel so confident when I wear a blazer.

37:57Most recent splurge? A pair of Chanel flats that was sourced by The Coveted. They're burgundy and brown suede. They actually arrive tomorrow and I'm so excited about them. I'm really excited for you. Thank you. I'll send you a picture. Thank you so much for coming on the pod. You're so welcome. This was so fun. Thank you for having me. And I loved hearing your story. Truly so incredible. So thank you so much for sharing it. Oh my gosh. Thank you. Anytime.

38:24Thank you.