How Nicky Campbell Turned A Lazy Review Into A New Era of Red Carpet Fashion Commentary

0:01Hi, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Let's Get Dressed. It's your host, Liv Perez. If you've ever sat scrolling social media during a major event, me usually during the Super Bowl or the Emmys or the Oscars, chances are you've come across one of Nikki Campbell's signature lazy red carpet reviews. Filmed casually from home in a hoodie, his one-word takes are quick, sharp, and surprisingly spot on. I feel like every time I watch one of his videos, I'm just sitting there nodding my head in agreement. With expertise from his prior days working under Tom Brown and Vogue, Nikki blends fashion expertise with effortless humor, a combo that's landed him on some of the biggest red carpets lately, from the SAG Awards to backstage with Elle for New York Fashion Week.

0:45In today's episode, Nikki shares his vision for the next generation of fashion correspondents, which we all are itching for. I loved seeing him on the SAG carpet, and I know it's the first of many. He also shares the one thing no one should ever wear on a red carpet, truly. And his top style stars to watch in 2025. If you want to follow Nikki on Instagram and TikTok, head to the description of this episode. They're both linked there. And if you have a moment today when you're done listening to this episode, go leave us a kind review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Let's go get dressed with Nikki Campbell.

1:20I can't believe I got you in LA. Oh my God. I'm so glad we're finally making it happen. I know, especially in our hometown. town. I know because we're always in the same city, but it's hard. No, because usually when we are in the same city, it's like a fashion week or a function. Everyone's running around. It's complete chaos. I see you from like the corner of the room. Yes. I can't make my way to the corner of that room, but I want to. That is true. And so now I'm so happy I get you in the corner of my room. Oh, my God. I'm so happy to be in your room. It's very beautiful here, actually. And I expect nothing less from you.

1:49Thanks. I always like it's nice when people come over from New York and I'm like, ah, LA. I'm so like, I might be so miserable there. And every time I come to LA, I'm like, why am I doing this to myself? You know, I think it's a trade-off. Like I love New York for work. I love going for business. I get my shit done. And like, I think for where you're at right now, like you got to be in the city. You got to be in the heart of it all. I guess you're right. But you've always loved New York. I do. Like you've always kind of been. I've always, I've always loved it and it's, but it has been 10 years now officially.

2:19Oh my goodness. Did you move after college? I did, yeah. No, I moved during college because I went to Parsons. Okay, so you went. So I was like in. Yes. That includes college years, which maybe. No, those count. Do those count? I actually think those count more than adult years in college. I mean, adult years out of college. Oh, I like that take. I like that take. It's chaos. What do you mean? I know it really is chaos. To dump an 18-year-old in New York City with zero life experience. I didn't even, I didn't know how to do shit. I used to live on the west side of Washington Square Park and wear my little heels to class on the other side of the park.

2:51That's exactly what I see for you, by the way. Thank you. And while I was doing it, I was like, Blair Waldorf would be doing this. Yes. It was not right. And she would have. She would have. But like I was 18-year-old me figuring out my shit and it was not right. Yeah. No, it was, it was, I went through a lot in those four years. They really aged me in a deep way. Did you like going to college in New York? I did love going to college. I mean, there really would have been no other option for me. You know, I really didn't. From here. From here. Yeah. There was no other. I don't know what I would have done if I did not go to Parsons.

3:21I literally only applied there. Oh, wow. And I was just like, if it works, you know, if it doesn't work, I don't know what's going to happen. But, you know, it ended up working out. Did you know you always wanted to be in fashion? Parsons was like it. A little. No. But when I knew, when I knew, I knew. Yeah. It's always kind of been like the way that I am. When I know, I know. Even if it's like a little bit later than expected. My mom always said, like, you didn't really like crawl that much. you just kind of like got up and started walking, but you were like really late to start doing that. Once you did it, like you just did it.

3:51I feel like that's like kind of how I am. Love that. I just, yeah, yeah. I knew I was probably in like high school and I did like a full like 360. I decided like that day I was like, I need to go Parsons. I want to work in fashion. I'm moving to New York. And my parents were like, okay, that's kind of how it was. It was just like, that was, that was the only option and it had to go that way. And then when you know, you know. While I do think that there's like a bustling industry in LA that's growing, it's not as, it's nowhere near as impactful as New York. I do think if you want to be in fashion, finding a way to go to college in New York is such a great way to get your foot in the door.

4:25Because by the time I had left college, I had interned for so many different people or had met so many different people. I'd at least been able to like set up at least a meeting with a brand I wanted to work with down the line. Like it helps you really kind of get your foot in the door versus someone who is like green to New York has never taken the subway before. They're more like a custom that you're more likely to get hired if they're like, okay, you know what you're doing here. A hundred percent. You've been here. A hundred percent. You've been there. You've like get to dip your toes in the industry.

4:52I was always doing that too. I was like always the second I got to New York, I was like, how do I start working? Yeah. And like doing the whole, I did like every internship under the sun. And then it just kind of like makes you right by the time you like graduate and you're like working in the industry, you're like kind of been here. I kind of know you guys. Oh, I was ready. Yeah, you're ready. Yeah. And then it's fun, too, because all your classmates are kind of doing the same thing. Like they all kind of like all start working in the industry in different ways, too. And then you kind of collaborate and it just makes it easy and nice.

5:18Where did you intern? I interned. Oh, God. Let me think. Let me go through the list. I entered for BPCM. Love. Yeah. You got to do it. You got to do a PR firm. You got to do a PR firm. Have to. It'll be the worst, but the best. Yes. That was an intense one. I worked for style. I worked for Mel Lottenberg. That was like an intense one. I worked for a few smaller brands and then I, yeah. And then I started working for Tom Brown and then I went to Vogue and then I went to CFDA and then, you know. And then you had the perfect launch pad for literally anything you wanted to do. Then it, yeah. Then it went very well.

5:55I know. I'm like, I did so many, I just like, I'm remembering now how many things I did. You get bit by the bug. Yeah. I really did. Sounds like you did too. I did. I did. You know, and then it's like one job kind of like leads to the next or there would be like a fashion week gig that you would just take and I would work for them for a season and stuff like that. It was like, it was always kind of bopping around. So whatever I could get my hands on. How'd you meet Tom Brown? What was it like? Oh my God. Insane. Insane. It was really cool when I joined the company because they had like, they were totally undergoing this whole like restructuring.

6:26They had like this whole plan for like world domination. And so it was like really, no, it literally, it really did. work you know they had like a real five-year aggressive plan to be like a serious big yeah player and I so kind of got to like witness a lot of the happening was a really small team it was like me and like the other people everything was kind of like always a mess but we kind of just like built and I was with them when they when they did um our first show in Paris um yeah and I literally cried it's insane it's like a total like out of body experience you know especially someone like a Tom where it's like it's a proper show.

7:00Yeah it's theatrical. Yeah it's the theatrical element to it. It was beautiful. I remember being like backstage. I was working so hard and the whole week was crazy. My boss came up to me and she was like stop working go out and like the show is about to start like just take it all in. Yeah. And I went and I was just like it was that collection was inspired by The Little Mermaid like my favorite movie ever. Oh my god. And it was just like a whole thing and I was like wait what am I doing in Paris with Tom Brown at Fashion Week. This is so cool. And I was like, you know, 21, 20. Like I was so young and it was like such a real experience.

7:30And I thought I was like sobbing in the audience. Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah, it was cool. I love that. Well, we met when we were very young. We did meet when we were very young. Yeah, I think maybe it was 23. I met you just out of, fresh out of college. Really? Because you were at the CFDA's fresh out of college, right? I was, yes. Yeah, that's when we met. Yeah. We did that snowy New York fashion week shoot. I remember that, yes. I was wearing a sax pots, blue parka. Yes. And we had found this like very chic, transparent umbrella in my apartment that I never used. It was pouring snow. It was pouring.

8:04I was living on Mubber and Houston and you were like, let's shoot this like little like thing for fashion week. Yep. And the shots were pretty great. They were really good. But you have a really amazing memory. How do you not remember that? Well, I do remember that. You do a lot of those. As it's coming, you know, now it's coming back together. That's how we met though. Yes. I remember that is how we met. Yeah. That was fun. Let's do it again. Anytime. We are doing it right now, but the opposite. Yes, exactly. I know. Wow. Look how far we've come. As I was saying, going to college in New York, you really, it comes full circle in a lot of different ways.

8:34Yeah. I met so many people so young that like, it's either I supported or they supported me back and it's like a full circle thing. I know. New York is amazing that way. I'm actually curious for all of you talking about all these like experiences that you have, like Vogue, CFGA, Tom Brown. Do you think that? and I like could think now like back to the early days of Instagram like you could have maybe been doing what you're doing now on Instagram 10 years ago yeah but it wouldn't have hit the way it does now because of I think the experience and credibility that you have a hundred percent yeah a hundred percent I love I love that when people can like see that and recognize that too because that's something that feels very important to me is like I'm not just like someone who's random coming on the internet and like you know talking about people's outfits for no reason or was no like kind of backing.

9:19Right. And I think that's when, you know, can kind of reach like a weird kind of it hits differently. And so I think it really does. And I don't think I would be able to do what I do now without that knowledge of just like how everything works, right? Like how even just like, you know, how brands have to work with stylists and the teams that are involved and the prep that goes into everything and like the behind the scenes of how looks come together and make it onto the red carpet. Yeah, I don't think I would be able to do it if I didn't have that kind of like background. So it does kind of feel like it all needed to happen for me to get to where I am now.

9:52How did you know it was the right time to start doing it? That's a really good question. Honestly, I think it's because I was at a point in my career where I was a little bit, I felt like a little bit stuck. I was kind of like at this point where I was like, okay, I like what I'm doing. I'm doing good, like on paper, but I just feel like there's maybe something else. Like there's maybe like, how do I take it to the next level? I was having sort of like quarter life crisis of like okay what is the rest of my is this it can I do more like where do I go from here and I was kind of at a place my job I wasn't super happy I was kind of transitioning to something new I was looking for like the next thing in my career and I just kind of on a whim sort of just like made this video online and then it kind of hit immediately and then I sort of felt like okay maybe there's something here and so I just kind of like kept I made like little commitments I was like just okay do it for a month and then see what happens and then that turned to like three months and then it turned to six months.

10:44And now, you know, it's been, it's been a year and it's kind of like taken me to very wild places. I really liked that approach to content because I do think, you know, through this pod, I've had a lot of conversations on Instagram with people who I don't know, but really want to be in content creation and fashion. And a lot of the times it feels like this, like really overwhelming, daunting thing that they need to like start creating content every day. And it's like eight posts a day. And like, how do you like create the most content? But I liked that you were like, let's just try this out for a month.

11:14Let's see if this hits. Like, I don't need to create eight videos to get someone's attention. Maybe it's one really good one that gets me to the next place. Yeah. A hundred percent. You have to, you have to love it. And I always say like, you cannot chase, I think a lot of people chase virality. Yes. And that is, that will, that puts you in a really hard place because you're not actually really building it. If you know, if you're like there, they just have this mindset of like, oh, well, I want to like just create things that blow up and they're getting a lot of views and a lot of traction, but they're not necessarily thinking like, what's my brand?

11:42What industry am I speaking to? Who's my audience? How am I building all of those things? And so if you're chasing like every trend, like you'll never get there. And if you're creating at that level and kind of like having that output, you're going to burn out. I mean, I think about all the things that I see now that are sent to me that are viral. I don't actually know the creator behind them. Yeah. Like virality is a flash in the pan. Yep. And it's like what you do afterwards with that of like how you bring people back and like actually create that community and brand is everything. Yes, you have to.

12:10you have to and that was also why i kind of like knew even within my kind of like realm like obviously i'm doing fashion stuff and i was doing kind of like very you know red carpet stuff and i'm not the only fashion creator i'm not the only red carpet commentator but i sort of felt like okay how can i create like this one thing that's distinct so even if i do pop up in your for you page it's always kind of like the same format and so it's just there's like a you know repetition that allows people to like you me to actually build the audience and i think that's why it's kind of like it's been successful because it's it's it's something that's like distinct and it's unique and it's like instantly identifiable and people kind of feel like they know me and they want to follow along so it's it's not just like I've never chased like a trend I'm not doing like the dances I'm not leaning into the audios that much I'm just kind of doing my own thing and also trying to do it at my own pace and that really let it happen a little bit more organically that instantly identifiable thing is everything to me like being able to you know have that come up on my feed and be like, Oh, my favorite show's on like that stuff I think is really important.

13:12And those are the creators that I love the most. Yeah, totally. What was it like? I would, I would love to be a fly on the wall in the room when like you first did the first lazy review. Like, were you just like, I do not want to like look nice right now. Or like, I'm just not like, I'm just going to do this fast. What was, how did that concept come together? And by the way, you always look good, but you know what I mean? Like we get like dressed up for content, You know what I mean? Like this is literally like you in a hoodie half the time, like so chill. And I think that's why I also love it because it's like, this is you stripped down.

13:47It's honest. Like if you're showing up, honestly, I can trust you for also being honest and like what you're about to say. Oh, I love that. That was yes. Well, it really, that's just me. I mean, and I think part of that comes from the fact that like, it's that classic thing of like fashion is all about the smoke and mirrors. It's not glamorous when you're working in it. And so like, I still had a full-time job. I was doing everything. I was always running around. My schedule was always crazy. And when I'm home, I'm like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm in a t-shirt and sweatpants and I'm just like chilling and I'm easy and you know, whatever.

14:19And so the laziness kind of came through, through like that sort of just like, I'm actually not like the fashion and the industry and the work seems glamorous, but like me myself, I'm a lot more casual and laid back than I think like most people would think. And so it just kind of it just kind of happens because that was just it just felt organic to me. I knew I was like never and I don't think I really will probably be a creator that's like as refined and like always have to get that's just like not me. I'm like usually a mess. I'm always running around my head chopped off. I like wonder for you, like, why do you think the lazy review specifically hits?

14:52Like, what is it about that that you're just like, oh, it's so different than any other content that we're seeing out there? I think it's because it's it's more it's easier for like the general person who to understand. Fashion is for the masses. Fashion is for the masses. And there's a lot of people that feel really excluded by it and uncomfortable by it. And I get a lot of comments that I think are really nice. It's like, I know nothing about fashion, but I really enjoy watching this. Yes. I love this. I love that. That's like the biggest compliment to me. And I think a lot of the times when you see a lot of these other creators who I think are great, they kind of do these deep dives on the history, what they're wearing, how the construction is going and you know these deep it's like most people don't know and they don't honestly really care they just have that gut instinct when they see somebody they're like oh I like that or I don't like that right and sometimes it's kind of not more deep than that you know it's either kind of good or it's bad and I think I kind of wanted to do like a little bit more of like something that was casual and approachable and just felt like funny like people can engage with that in a different way than they can when someone's doing like a really intense deep dive on like one specific look.

15:56A hundred percent. Yeah. I actually heard something recently that I loved and it was on a podcast and the host was saying your Instagram is not for your friends. Yes. It's for your ambition and whatever business like needs you want to fulfill. It's for the other people that like you want to bring into your world. And I think about that all the time of like for you specifically, like there are so many people that watch your videos that have no idea what's going on, but they're excited to engage in it. Yeah. There's a huge void, which we all know in red carpet commentary right now. Like I feel like so much is missing.

16:29What do you think this like next era is looking like? For me, it includes you, but like things are changing so much right now. And like, what do you think, what shakeup needs to happen right now to make red carpet work? It needs to be more honest. I mean, it does. It needs to be more authentic. And I think that there's this kind of, I think people are really scared to criticize anything nowadays. And so they don't, they just, everybody kind of like fawns over everyone and everything. And I, and I think that there is a way to have conversations with somebody that's like critical and it's honest and it's open about style and what they're wearing and what's happening that doesn't, that can be, you know, you don't have to, just cause you don't like something doesn't mean you can't have like a rapport or like a relationship with somebody.

17:15Right. You know, like that's, I think about my videos the same way I think about like Like when I watch the red carpet with my friends or when you go to like a movie with your friends, like you don't agree with everybody in your circle about everything that you see or you watch or you, you know, listen to. Like people have disagreements, but you can still have a relationship with them. And so I think like moving forward, I think that there's more room to kind of be playful and engage with celebrities and the red carpet and style in a way that isn't so entirely based around flattery. I mean, your Instagram literally says like Joan Rivers of, what does it say?

17:52I think it says, I think it says Fashion Police. It used to say Joan Rivers, did it not? It did use to say, but it has, I have my image, my profile photos. Is Joan Rivers. Is Joan Rivers. Iconic. Iconic, iconic. I mean, look, I think there was a point in time where it was mean. Yes. And I think there's a very big difference between critique and criticism. Yes. Like, I think there's a very stark difference between being able to like give constructive feedback on something and just being plain mean. Yes. And sometimes I think of John Rivers and I'm like, look, she was a comedian. Like, yes, that was her entry point into everyone's homes was like trying to be funny and making a joke out of it.

18:29Yeah. But I am really kind of itching for stronger fashion commentary on on the silver screen again. Like, yeah, I like even now when I'm watching the Oscars, I'm kind of flipping through like numerous different channels, kind of trying to find the good bits. But I really think it lost its way. It has lost its way a little bit. I think people feel that and a lot of people say that, you know, and I do think Joan specifically, I mean, icon, I think she was I think you're right. Like she was very I think she would consider herself a comedian first. Yes. Fashion second. And I think that's maybe the difference between her and I also the way that we speak, but also the fact that I'm probably a little bit more of a fashion girl first.

19:10And then the comedy is like just something that kind of weaves its way into it, I think a little bit more naturally. But yeah, I want, I think people, we need to spice it up a little bit. We need to spice up the commentary and the coverage a little bit more because I think audiences like are just not really relating to it, honestly. Right. I mean, look, if you can be at the SAG Awards and have literally every single celebrity come up to you warmly. Yes. And like want your approval. Yes. Like I even remember, I can't believe her name is escaping me. She's in Nobody Wants This. Starts with J. Oh, Justine.

19:40Justine. Justine, yes. Thank you. That was like searching out of my brain. If Justine Loop can come up to you and be like, I wanted to see if you liked it. Like I was waiting for your review. Like, I think that that is like a totally new era of fashion criticism. Yeah. You know, it's amazing. And one thing I think that I have been, I've been really surprised by, because that wasn't something I expected is that the people, the celebrities and the people that I am, you know, roasting have a sense of humor and they seem to like it. You know, when I was at the SAGs, having someone, Justine, come up and be like, it's okay if you don't like it, you know?

20:15And like, roast me when you have to. It's fine. Yeah. You can have a dialogue with people and not agree with everything that they do. And people are engaging with it and they think it's funny. And, you know, I'm not saying everyone will think it's funny. I'm not saying everyone will engage with it. But I think in general, you know, it's okay to critique something. You're giving us fashion people hope. I hope so. Like, I'm like, bring it back, please. We're bringing it back. I think we can do it. I think we really can do it. It is really fascinating. And I have a lot of people now that have come up to me and been like, I can't help.

20:47You're like in my head when I'm now getting dressed. Yes. Which I think is like the funniest thing ever. I mean, I would love like for fashion TV to come back. Like the TV, like the fashion channel. Yes. Like I would love to see like someone like you commentating on fashion week and trends from fashion month around the world. There's always something going on. Yeah. Like if it's not couture and it's not ready to wear, there is some cruise show somewhere in the world. There is always something happening. And I just think that the fashion community deserves a bigger hub. Yeah. I would actually love to know.

21:20And the one thing I love following you for is menswear. I feel like you're very critical of menswear. And there's like a lot of space for men to be doing cooler stuff on the red carpet. What do you think men could be doing more of? Everything. Everything. You're like anything but a flat tuxedo. No, literally, by the way, because they're obsessed with doing that. It's like insane. Well, it's the safe move. It's safe. And men are always, men will always let you down. You know what I mean? In every way. In every way. And it is so mind-blowing to me because as someone, especially who comes from a men's wear background, I actually, when I worked at Vogue, I was on the men's wear team.

21:58I worked at Tom Brown, which is a very men's wear focused brand. And like I watch men's fashion and I'm always tuned into Men's Fashion Week. And on the runway, it's insane. Like the most insane things are happening in menswear right now. Like there's so many incredible options that are not classic black suiting. Coleman Domingo. Coleman Domingo. Just put it on the Pinterest board. I know. Like thank God for him. Thank God for him. He's doing it for all of us. Yeah, he really, he really is. He really is. Without him, we would be lost. Truly. Who else do you love? Who else do you think is like doing interesting things?

22:30I love Timothee Chalamet. I love Timothee Chalamet and that McQueen scarf he's bringing back. I'm loving it. And the tiny pink Chanel bag. The Chanel bags really did me in. He is fine. Did me in. I was like, oh my God. Like I, do I have to get my husband a little Chanel bag? Wait, I think you, I think you might. Yeah. Timmy, I'm, I'm loving the point of view. Yes. He's really making it work. Some things work. It's working for me personally. I think there's a lot of younger men. like Timmy or like Drew Starkey. Drew Starkey, I love. Yeah, they're doing more interesting things. Is there someone in your mind who's like a fashion icon, like can do no wrong?

23:07Oh. Every time you see them, you're just like, yep, great. Oh my gosh, that's a really good question. I mean, it's probably so boring because it's like, duh, but like I always have to say Zendaya. I just haven't really seen her look bad. Well, I think she's like a gorgeous human. It's partially because she's insanely beautiful and would be a model either way. who else I think is good you know I just I also I really admire people even if it's not my taste that have like a really distinct point of view and sense of style it's just like it's weird you don't have to like it you can look at that and be like why are they wearing that but it's just who they are like I think like Billie Eilish is a good example of that it's funny even watching you and Jenna Lyons do your joint kind of duo reviews yeah anytime Billie Eilish came up on the screen you both were like unjudgeable.

23:55Yes. It just is unjudgeable. She's so in her own lane that like, it's not for anybody to critique. She's just kind of doing her own thing. Yes. That is a sign of true personal style is when I can't, I cannot say anything about it because they're just being who they are and that comes through and it's always going to, it's always going to work because it's expressing like their authentic self. So that's like the, those are the best people that if I can't really critique what they're, what they're wearing ever. Yeah. I love like what Hunter Schaefer is doing lately on the red carpet. She's just beautiful.

24:25Like, oh my God. Anytime I see her in something, I'm just like, I mean, the moment she came out at the Vanity Fair party a few years ago in the - The Prada. Was that Prada? It was the one flowing in the wind. Are you talking about that one? I mean, that was stunning. That was like a whole world. No, I'm talking about the feather across her breast. Oh yes. I think that was Ludovic. Ludovic. I think that was like the first time I had heard of Ludovic too. Oh really? I think so. Yeah. That That was, for me, cemented. She's fashion icon. Yes, she really is. I'm like, oh my God, that was so brave. Like, and she looked so hot.

24:56I know, so hot. That's a moment when I'm like, wait, what's my sexuality? I don't actually know anymore. I just think, I think she's so beautiful. Yeah. She can kind of wear a trash bag and I think she looks awesome. Yes. You know who else I think is like that is Taylor Russell. I mean. Taylor Russell. I love that girl so much. So much. Like, it's really hard because she's one of those people who's all over my Pinterest service board for her like street style in London. And like, then I'll go put it on and I'm like, you look frumpy. But Taylor's just so beautiful that it just all works. Oh my God.

25:25It really, it really does. Even this, even the street style off duty. All of it. It's just working. It's so annoying. I don't look like that. Like the same thing does not happen to me. You know, I've been loving Gracie Abrams. That is my girl. She does something for me. She scratches an itch for me that just like, as like a Chanel lover, as like someone who really like enjoys really feminine, beautiful dressing. Like she just wore that, like the beaded Chanel on stage. And I was like, oh my God, I'm going to have a heart attack. Yeah. She has been doing really, really well. Who is underrated style wise that you think everybody should be paying a bit more attention to?

26:01Oh my gosh. Really good question. For men, I think I said this actually for men, Jeff Goldblum. I say love curveball because Ariana got all the attention and they got all the attention during the Wicked Press tour and I was like, guys, Jeff is right there and amazing things are happening with everything he's doing. He's always in a great Prada something. He's always. He loves a custom. I mean, when he did the runway show for Prada, I was like, they know exactly what they're doing. Yes. They really, really do. He really is one of my favorite men's wear dressers. One of my favorite men's wear dressers a hot take that I think people consistently disagree with me on.

26:42I would say is Jeremy Strong. Wow. I see him. I say yes. As a Laura Piana girl, I will say yes. Sometimes I'm like, whoa. Yeah. And I like that. I think that's what I like. Do you think that he like does it for the reaction? I think he might actually. I don't think he actually does it thinking he's like, oh yeah, this is it. Right. I think he's like, I want to play a character. Yeah, he might be doing it for the bit. He might be doing it for the bit. I mean, listen, when you're wearing like, yeah, when you're wearing a suede bucket hat. No, it's crazy. For the Golden Globes. Like you're, you know, what's, you know what people are going to say about that.

27:16You are your character. Yes, literally. Mine recently is Saoirse Ronan. Oh my God. Like it's getting love, but just not the love that I want. I want like mass love. You know why? It's getting niche love. It's, it is getting niche love. And now I want global mass love. Right. Because it's so specific. You know, it's like. I think it's great. The girls, you know, she's wearing like archive Celine, like Phoebe Philo era and like new designers like Colleen Allen, who's like such an upcoming like New York girl. And I think like the globally, they don't get like the intricacies of how amazing what she is, what she's doing is.

27:50I mean, even the custom Vuitton dress that she just had was unbelievable. Yes. With the sleeve. Yeah. The built in sleeves. Yeah. Yeah. And the red lip. Yes. Made that look. Yes. And that's a choice. That is a choice. have been like no no no I want to be muted but no the red lip was everything I know and you know in that same vein because they share the same stylist also underrated I think is I I I I was killing it yeah insane like what she wore to SNL she was wearing this like black voluptuous dress with a choker it was it was very it was giving oh that was Colleen Allen it was Colleen Allen yes it's amazing you know like and it's so yeah it's so rare to see stuff like that at the like to see like evolution happen like that.

28:34When Saoirse walked out, when she walked out in this mini blue Ferragamo, I was like, we are entering a new world. Yes. It was so hot. So hot. I loved it. Amazing. I absolutely loved it. I thought she, I'm like so ready for her to keep just like dominating all the amazing things. Yeah, she is top of the top. I'm loving what she's doing. I love when they have like a, you know, just like a reinvention like that. It's amazing. You were talking about Colleen Allen and this might be your answer, but I'm wondering if there's a designer right now that you think more people should be paying attention to both for runway and red carpet.

29:07Ooh, I will have to say, I will, I will give you another one too, but I will have to say Colleen Allen is like top of my list. She's actually, I'm biased because she's a good friend of mine. We met each other when we first started working for Vogue together and she was at Central St. Martin's. I was at Parsons. Wow. We always kind of were connected and I always knew, you know, she's like amazing. She worked at The Row for a very long time, was building like their menswear and then expanded to women's wear as well. It's just like really good. And it's one of those brands that it's like, if you're in the industry, you know, you know, in New York, she's making like waves right now.

29:41But like, and she's been doing everything. You know, she's done custom looks for Charlie, works a lot with Social Ronin, did Paloma Assessor for a few events. It's like really, really, really good. It's really, really strong. But it's like niche New York. And it's like one of those brands, I think has the potential to be like just huge. Like just huge. Exciting. Yeah, it's really, really exciting. And I love when you can just like see that. You can see the temperature around a designer happening. Like that's like nothing gets more excited than the world. I love that. What's one thing you think someone should never wear on a red carpet?

30:12Oh, I hate. Oh, my God. There's actually a long list of them. First of all, I hate a peep toe. I hate a peep toe. Stop wearing them. Like, please. They're very odd. They're very odd. I actually don't think I own a peep toe. Well, you have taste. That's why. Thank you. You know, that's why. Yeah, they're just kind of weird. Like I don't, you know, someone recently, like I do AMAs on the weekend. I help people shop for things or like help for new looks. And I had one that was so traumatizing recently where they were asking me about a pair of ballet flats. And I was like, great. And they're like, no, no, no.

30:44Like I want a ballet flat with toe cleavage. And I said, what did you just say? And she was like, toe cleavage. Like I want it to be like a skinny flat. I want people to see the cleavage of my toe. And I was like, are you talking about like the area? You want people to see the area between your toes? Like you just want this top part to be high so people can see the lines. Oh my God. And I was like, I got to go. Oh my God, I'm sweating. I got to go. Live that's really dark. And a peep toe is toe cleavage. I know. And that's why I hate it so much. I hate it. Like I don't want someone to see the cleavage of my toes.

31:11No, no. And no one wants to see that, by the way. No, no. No, this is really disturbing. I wish I had never heard about this. Okay. So peep toe.

31:21No toe cleavage. Yeah. No toe cleavage, please. I also generally, I do not think peplums are good ideas. Even now when they were all over the runway? Yeah, a little bit. What if they're soft? If they're soft, there's certain peplums. Like what about the Elle Fanning look you just reviewed from the SAG Awards? I did say that that was good. Lueve, it was working. That was working. And I did say that that was an exception. It's good with a skirt. Give it with a skirt. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can give it with a skirt. Like not with a jean, but like with a skirt. Yes. What about the CJR peplum suit that walked down the runway?

31:53Okay. Now you're like, okay, now you're presenting like things that I did not think about. Good. Fine, Liv, fine. Wow, I really got you there. You know, but it's like, it's, and you know what? It's the same thing that I say with gloves. Opera length gloves are the most over accessorized. Too many, too much. There's too much. Yeah. And like literally 5 % of the time. It works. Yeah. I will say. Keep it for the wedding. Keep it for like a gala. It doesn't need to be on the red carpet. I think women love the idea of like the drama that it brings. and I'm like, stay critical, ladies. Okay, stay critical.

32:27You don't need it. A lot of the times it just makes things worse. Totally. You know, but it's a trend and the trend will go away. It will. What's your best piece of advice for anybody who wants to be in fashion and have a career like yours? Just connect with as many people as possible. It's really an industry that's all about relationships. It's true. It's all about relationships. It's 100 % true. 100%, 100%. You have to like know your people, be good to your people, check in on them. It's fun. And listen, like everyone bounces around, you know, they go from one house to the next and then they switch and you never know how are you going to be working with somebody and just connect, just get coffee, you know, like just talk to them.

33:03Just, you know, you don't always have to like know what, how are you going to work together or what's going to happen, but just like they keep you in your mind, you keep them in yours and then you kind of like make the magic happen. And that's literally like every job, every gig, like it all just comes from people that like want to work with you and like you as a person, to be honest with you. Foster those relationships. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, foster them. Thanks for being one of my people. Of course. Thank you for being one of mine. Of course. Forever. Forever and always. And thank you for doing the pod.

33:30This was so fun. Oh my God. I had the best time. So happy to have you on. I'm so honored I made it to the pod. Are you kidding? Are you kidding? I'm so happy to have you on the pod. This is a big day for me. Full circle. Yeah, full circle moment. We love that. Love.

33:53Thank you.