How to Break Into Fashion, with Industry Commentator Jack Savoie

0:00Jack Savoie: Bethany Frankel was at TJ Maxx and she picks a Manolo, flips it over, flips it back. And I kept like playing it back over and over and over. And I was like, that is a fake Manolo Blahnik. I know I sold Manolo Blahniks at Nordstrom. I know a real shoe. Okay. I know a real shoe. I'm really excited to dive into how you got into fashion. You have a full-time job. You're working as a stylist. I have two full-time jobs. You know, I work 10 to 6, five days a week. It's a full week. And then when I go home, I'm creating. If you really want to do it, you know, there's the hustle behind it all, right? It's like one day I'm in the store and then the next day I'm flying to LA to go to a premiere.

0:39Jack Savoie: Best of both worlds, baby. Do you really think that you have to live in New York or even LA to be in fashion these days? I don't think so. Especially with where we are in terms of social media. You can literally do anything from anywhere. Fashion in 2026 is no longer gatekept. I love the industry so much. How do I get in there? You just have to start. There's never going to be a right time. Done is better than perfect. Welcome back to Let's Get Dressed. Before we dive into today's episode, make sure that you're following the show, both on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, so that you don't miss a new episode.

1:13In case you want to watch today's episode, you can head over to YouTube. The full episode is available there too. And when you're done, leave us a review. I always love to hear what you guys think about the episodes and it really helps the show go. Now let's go get dressed. Welcome to the pod. Thanks for having me. I'm so happy to have you. I feel like we've been planning this for a while. I'm so excited we got you in LA.

1:36Jack Savoie: I know. I'm like, here I am. Your situation this morning is like something I feel like I need to, I'm like anybody, if you're not local to LA and you want to come on, let's get dressed. Do what Jack just did. You flew into Burbank, which is like 10 minutes from here. So easy. I literally. First of all, thank you for flying in for us. Done. I'm honored. Come on. It's so close to Denver. It was like an hour and a half flight, right? That's it. Maybe like two. And then you're literally leaving right after this. Yeah. I'm just like in and out. Yeah, that's like my dream. I'll be back home before dinner.

2:06There's this like weird part of me that loves, that like feels like a true businesswoman when like I like go to LAX, drive my car, park at the airport, pop over to like, you know, not the East Coast because that's a full day, but like I've done it where I've had to like pop to Salt Lake City or like pop to Texas for the day and come back home and like get in my car at the airport. And I'm like, this is adulting to the max.

2:26Jack Savoie: But going East, oh God. I have been flying into Newark though, which has changed my life. I like LaGuardia. Yeah, but does Denver fly to LaGuardia? Yeah. Yeah. See, you're blessed. Yeah. Southwest, Delta, they all do it. JFK, mess. I just had a mess at JFK. I've consistently had messes at JFK. When is that construction over? I don't think it's going to be over. I got stuck at a Prada sample sale on my way to the airport. That's just me. But I'm like, I have to go. The one that just happened in May? Yeah. I did the exact same thing last year. I had to go from the city. And it's on the West Side Highway.

3:01Jack Savoie: Then I had to go to my hotel. Okay. Then I had to pick up my bags. Yep. Then I had to go. I mean, it was a nightmare. Yeah, but I was willing to miss my flight for the Prada sample sale. It was like the last morning I was in New York. My flight was like midday. I was like, you know what? I'm going to try to make it. I went, had all my bags, ran to the airport with the bags. I kept going around in there. Me too. The men's, it was like, it was okay. The men's was okay. Yeah. I love everything. So I'm like, let's see what the women's has. You know, I'm doing it all. I'm doing all the things. So I was looking at the shoes.

3:32Jack Savoie: Meh. Like there was a lot of ready to wear for women. Mew Mew and Prada. I didn't have that when I was there last year. There was no Mew Mew. It was Prada only. Wow. But anyways, I got a really beautiful yellow sweater with epaulettes. I'm very into an epaulette. Ooh, I love that. Oh God, it was gorgeous. And then it has a little pocket. And then of course I'm like Googling. I'm like, okay, how much was this before? Like I want to like see. Oh my God, it was like a$2 ,500 sweater for like 400 bucks. I love a sample sale. I love an outlet. We were just talking about outlets. Love an outlet. I think that's like my MO when shopping these days.

4:05Jack Savoie: I like a deal. I like finding a little hunt. I like a little scavenger hunt. I could tell you the last time I bought something like full price at a store, but it was like two years ago. I bought a Bottega bag in the airport. Speaking of which, we love to start our show with a series called Receipts. And so I want to know what is the biggest splurge you have ever splurged on for your closet? It was literally a month ago. What'd you get? Oh my God. Great timing. Immaculate timing. Oh my God. It was a month ago. I still, well, we'll get to that. I got a text from my salesperson at Hermes and she was like, hey, babe.

4:40Jack Savoie: She was like, so I'm seeing you on Sunday. What time? One, three or five? And I was like, one. I was like, nine a.m. Actually, no, I think she said 11 a.m. And I was like, early as possible. I was like, what? And it was Sunday. It was their Mother's Day event. And I was like, Mother's Day event? Why are you inviting me to the Mother's Day event? She's like, I have something for you. I was like, don't. I was like, I can't do this with you today. I was like, can I just FaceTime you? And she was like, sure. So she like, good for you. To a room. And then she's like, I was like, what is it? And she was like, you'll be excited.

5:08Jack Savoie: And I had just been in there like a week before not doing anything. Like I always, I just visit. I'm a visiting, you know, I'm visiting looking, visiting, you know, and she sits me down. And she's like, okay, we need to update your wishlist. And I was like, okay. She sat you in the week before this happened? Well, I just walked in the week before. Right. And she was just like, yeah, she was like, let's sit down. Let's update your wishlist. You know, let's go through colors. She was like, do you still want a Birkin? And I was like, yeah, okay, like Birkin. Okay, what about Kelly? Okay, like Kelly, okay, this, you know, and then colors.

5:38Jack Savoie: Let's talk about colors. I'm like, okay, you know, still like the green, still like the dark blues. I don't really need black. I don't really need all that. But then I was like, but Rouge Osh, you know, I love Rouge Osh. It's so good. You know, and then. For people who don't know. It's like a burgundy. It's kind of like a really chic burgundy. Look it up. It's fabulous. Oh, my God. It's a gray color. She goes, OK. She was like, got it. So then I left and then I got a call from her and she was like, hey, come in. So then I FaceTimed with her. I was like, don't do this. Yeah. I was like, don't do this bullshit today.

6:12Jack Savoie: I was like, no. So then she goes into a fitting room. Opens it up and it was a Birkin 30, size 30 in Togo with Rujash Palladium hardware. Wow. Borge. And I was like. Yep. That's how they get you. I was like, why? Now I got to get creative. Creative financing, right? Now I got to move things around. I got to. This credit card. Half on this, half on that. Half on this, half on that. Financing on this. I'm like, what am I selling? Now I got to get rid of something. That's a big thing for me. I'm like a, if I'm getting a big thing like that, I'm like, all right, we got to, we got to shed. What are we getting rid of?

6:50I love that.

6:51Jack Savoie: Yeah. I really do. Because I think if you don't do that, that's how just like the clutter comes in. Oh. You got to make the energy right for the Birkin. Of course. You know, set the scene. Well, energy speaking of, I still haven't opened it. Sitting in my closet in a box. Why? I feel that it needs to be the right time. And it's got to, it's got to sit with me. It's got to acclimate to my environment. Okay. I do this to all my purchases. They go under the bed or they go in the closet for about a month. Usually about a month. And then, you know, I got to sit on it. A, I got to pay it off. Yep. And you can't wear it without the guilt, you know?

7:27No, I got to pay it off. Yeah.

7:28Jack Savoie: B, it's just got to, you know, it's got to ease into my environment. She's got to meet her friends, you know? Yeah. It's so funny. I'm the opposite. I will buy something and I'm wearing it every day for six days. You're like walking out of the store. And then I'm sick of it. And then it comes back out like three months later. I got to treasure these things. You know, I got to. No, your way is probably the best way. Like it's got to find its way. And you're right. You got to find the right moment for it. You do. The right outfit where like it all really works. Oh, I'm thinking. See, now I've had time to think on it.

7:54Jack Savoie: I have the perfect unboxing planned. We're ready. So stay tuned. Please. Well, congratulations. Mother's Day was a huge. You became a broken mama. I mean. That's a great purchase. I can't wait to see you wear it for the first time. Fabulous. I'm thrilled to have you on today because I feel like you are someone whose career I've loved watching skyrocket and someone whose content I consume voraciously. What I think is most inspiring to me about what you do and the position you hold in the fashion landscape is you are someone who lives in Denver and, you know, you know when to come in town for the right things.

8:28But while living there, you are someone who I truly go to for like breaking news, really, you know, hot button topics.

8:37Jack Savoie: Hey, Denver. Right. But, you know, I think it's really reminded me or not reminded me, like really solidified this idea that like fashion in 2026 is no longer gatecapped. Like there are no longer, there's no longer this, you know, peek behind the curtain vibe, veiled industry that I think you and I really grew up seeing. Right. Which is why I think the Devil Wears Prada 2 didn't land as much as the Devil Wears Prada 1 did. Totally. It's like the Devil Wears Prada 1 was chic for everyone. Well, of course. Like even if you were in fashion, you were like, I want to be there, even though you were there.

9:07Jack Savoie: I still that movie. I mean, it just brings you back to that moment when you were like, this is why I wanted to be in fashion. Absolutely. And so I think the times are different and for the better. I have met and have been able to talk to so many incredible people all over the world on this show who have really important voices in fashion. And it doesn't just mean that you need to quit your life and move to New York to make it happen. Right. So I'm really excited to dive into how you got into fashion and what this journey has been like for you. And I also, I'm so excited to hear about what fashion is like in Denver, but take me back to the beginning.

9:43Oh, please.

9:44Jack Savoie: Oh, please. Yeah. In the beginning. Gosh, I guess growing up, I loved dresses and gowns and I loved this like whole drama of it all. And I was like, God, I like, I want to make that. And you know, weirdly enough, like, you know, Cinderella, like when the mice are like sewing the garments with the needle and thread, like that to me, I was like, I need a needle and thread in my hand. And so that's kind of where I started. I started sewing everything by hand and I got really involved in the creation of it all. I loved creating and I loved using my hands and I loved drawing and I loved drawing dresses and the whole thing.

10:18Jack Savoie: And then I was like, I want to pursue this, you know, but I think there was like a little bit of an internal struggle. Like, I think I always knew that I was like gay, but like, I didn't want people to know that. So I was like, I'm going to study architecture. What? Like, come on, like do what you want to do. And then when I came out, you know, eventually I was like, yeah, I want to pursue this. Like, I want to be this person. Like, this is who I am. This is what I want to do. And I went to school for design, went to Colorado state. Actually, they have a really great design program. I looked in London.

10:50Jack Savoie: I looked at St. Martin's. I looked at Parsons and I feel like those schools, they're wonderful schools. But I am really happy with where I ended up because the schools just seemed like very competitive, very creative. Like, I feel like I would have had like a panic attack at the schools, like fully. I mean, looking at like, there's just so much beauty and so much creativity stemming from people. I feel like I would feel a little overwhelmed. So being at Colorado State and like farm town, you know, it's like you're kind of like a big fish in a small pond in a way, you know, and I feel like it was a really great balance of like, you know, like here's Colorado, but then you're also doing fashion life.

11:32Jack Savoie: So it was kind of nice. I liked it. I appreciate that a lot because I think fashion specifically, I'm sure for so many other categories is one of those places where it's like, you have to go be in the epicenter and you have to go compete with the best. Totally. And, you know, I mean, I was doing it there, I was fully creating, you know, I created like a senior thesis collection, the whole thing. And then when it came down to the internship portion, that's when I was like, okay, now we've got to go to a city, you know? So I applied everywhere and Proenza Schooler actually allowed me to come be a little baby intern.

12:06Jack Savoie: So that was a really great experience. And that I think was that Devil Wears Prada moment, right? Like getting into that scene was so amazing. I learned a lot really quickly in that space. And it kind of like kind of shaped me. And I really, truly value that experience. So what brought you back home? Well, then, you know, they offered me a job. And the pay in fashion is like zero. And I don't want to like discredit that. Like, I think people really want that. And I just don't think that that was the right thing for me. You know, I was like, I don't want to work 60 hour work weeks and make zero dollars living in New York City.

12:51Jack Savoie: Like people want to climb that ladder. I just it just didn't feel right to me. And I was like, no, no. So I kind of was like, OK, what am I going to do? And I was kind of looking at like other designers and things. And I was just like, let me just go home. So I went home and I started working at Nordstrom, which I had worked at when I was in college and in high school. I'd done Nordstrom, Nordstrom Rock. So I went back, was in designer shoes, and I loved it. That was a great time. I loved Nordstrom shoes. Wow, designer shoes at Nordstrom is a fun place to be. It was great. Oh my gosh, it was fabulous.

13:24Jack Savoie: And that was a really good time of working at Nordstrom too. I feel like I know a lot of people and we all worked at Nordstrom at some point in our life. I think that was a great company to work for, especially if you were interested in fashion. You could really work your way up in that company if you really wanted to stay there. And so I was like, let me just land here. If you're going back, Nordstrom is a great place to just land. Like get on your feet, like get organized, like, you know, make money, do what you need to do. I can sell. Okay. So went back, was selling shoes for about maybe six, seven months.

13:59Jack Savoie: And one of my really good friends, he was like, why are you working at Nordstrom? He was like, come work at A-Line, which is where I work now. And it's a boutique company. They didn't have all the stores that we have now. But he was like, we're growing. It's great. You should really get in here. And I was like, okay. So then I just went right on in and applied. And they were like, yeah, come sell. So I just started selling. And I was a stylist. That's what we are. We're stylists. And building a book of business. Now I've been there seven years. And I loved it. and it was a great place to just like grow into.

14:40And yeah, I started working my way

14:43Jack Savoie: into the buying section of it all. So we have a store in Carlsbad. Carlsbad, yeah. And then we have two stores in Denver and then one in Salt Lake City. Incredible. Yeah, so it's fabulous. But now I've gotten into the buying section of it all and I go to market. I go to New York four times a year, Paris twice a year. And so I get my fix of New York still, you know, but it's on a completely different side of design. Now it's, you know, finished product. Who are we selling this to? Why are we buying it? So when did you start doing content? Because I remember I first started following you from Shoes of the Past, which is one of my favorite series that you do where you reflect on, you know, a big seller from a brand that no longer exists that we all like had us in a chokehold.

15:30Jack Savoie: Yeah. I mean, Shoes of the Past kind of came, I feel like there were like different points of like virality with like my growth in this space. So she was the past. I would say before that. I was posting on TikTok only and I was just doing like celebrity outfit ratings. And that was like three, four years ago now. And it was like right after COVID. I had a TikTok. I deleted it because they were like, everyone's stealing your information. Whatever. I mean, please, our information. At this point. Oh, bye. It's there, guys. Like they've got it all. It's there. They've got it all. And if they want to use it, okay.

16:06People say that with chat GPT.

16:07Jack Savoie: Oh, yeah. They're like, stop telling it everything. I'm like, oh, so I shouldn't put my medical records in there? No. I like don't give chat GPT any information. No. I'm too anxious for this. No, don't do it. But yeah, I started doing that. And I kind of built like a little bit of a small community on TikTok. And it was around maybe like 20 ,000 followers. And, you know, I was rating and I was like giving, you know, one on a scale of one to 10 what I would think of their outfits. Right. and then it kind of took another step when I was flipping through TikTok one day and Bethany Frankel had, she was at TJ Maxx and it was very random.

16:45Jack Savoie: She was buying like a Flamingo bar cart and I don't know why I stayed through this whole video. I watched this whole thing and at one point she goes over to a pair of Manolo Blahniks because, you know, TJ Maxx has that runway section so they have designer goods within certain stores. And she picks up a Manolo, it was a Hengisi, flips it over, flips it back, and then it just clipped to the next scene. And I was like, wait. And I kept like playing it back over and over and over. And I was like, that is a fake Manolo Blahnik. I know, I sold Manolo Blahniks at Nordstrom. I know a real shoe, okay? I know a real shoe.

17:26Jack Savoie: So I made a video in response to it. and I basically explained why it was fake. Like I was like, okay, it was a leather bottom. It should be a suede sole. The font, psycho, the font was wrong and it was like off center in the footbed of the show. And I just went through this whole thing of like, why? And tagged her in it, posted it, moved on, kind of got speed a little bit. People started tagging her in it and maybe like 24 hours later, she follows me And then she messages me and she was like, can we talk? And I was like, sure. So then she like calls me and she goes, I'm freaking out, freaking out, you know, very animated.

18:11Jack Savoie: And she was like, I cannot believe that. Like, how do you know this? This is insane. This is insane. How do you know this is a fake shoe? And I was like, I just, I know I've sold shoes. She's like, you've sold shoes before. Okay. All right. Well, more soon. and I was like, what does more soon mean? Okay. She's like, we're going to blow this up. And I did not know what she meant by that. I was like, blow this up. So then she was like, more soon. So I'm just sitting there waiting. And sure enough, she posts this video and starts going in on this fake shoe at TJ Maxx and is like, Jack Savoy, everyone go follow him.

18:50Jack Savoie: Figured out that the shoe was fake. Da, da, da, da, da, go watch this video. and she goes, but now I'm made to believe everything that I've bought at TJ Maxx is fake. And I'm like, oh my God. Uh-oh. And - Pandora's box. Oh, whoa. And I will tell you, her followers like blooded in. Within like eight hours, I went from like 20 ,000 to 67 ,000. And I was like, whoa. I was like, hello, everybody. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to Denver. Hi, my name is Jack. Yeah. And it was a wild thing. And then all these people started freaking out. But then of course, like Yahoo picked it up, like Footwear News picked it up.

19:28Jack Savoie: I was like, oh my God, like this is crazy. So then people started recognizing me. They were like, are you that Bethany Frankel, the shoes? You're the shoes guy. And I was like, yeah, I'm the shoes guy. Like that's me. I don't know. And yeah, so that was the first moment of like virality. And then same on Instagram. Like Instagram, I had like 4 ,000 followers. And she also posted over to Instagram. And I grew to like 16 ,000. I had been trying for years. I had a blog back in the day. And I was like always trying to do it when all the girls were unlike to know it and getting up there. And I tried.

20:01Jack Savoie: I couldn't. I couldn't get it off the ground. But yeah, now this did. And I was like, well, okay, now that I have these people here, like let's, you know, hone them in. Right. But so then it kind of stayed for a little bit. And then Choose the Past happened. So that was the second wave and big wave, which I'm very thankful for. I was sitting on my couch. I get my best ideas on my couch, sitting on my couch. And I'm just like, God, does anyone remember that ISL cage boot? I think it was 2010. That was like resembling the Eiffel Tower. And I was like, God, what a shoe. Like, I remember when that was like at Neiman's, like sitting on the shelf.

20:41Like I was like, like a young kid then. And I'm going to

20:46Jack Savoie: talk about that. So I just kind of like talked about it and put it out. And like, it's like history briefly posted it. And then I was like, okay, what else? Like there's other shoes too. And I was like, what about the Isabel Marant Beckett wedge? And then I was like, oh, and then what about, you know, this shoe? And then I was like, what about the Stuart Weitzman over the knee, the lowland, the highland, the midland? Like I was selling those at that time too. And then I was like, what about the Jeffrey Campbell Lita booty? To find an entire generation. that was my high school shoe it was great those videos struck a chord oh yeah with like that millennial audience oh yeah and everyone went nuts I think what I really admire about what you do is you have such extensive knowledge in fashion and I think to me that is what makes for great content today like anybody could create anything you could talk about anything but the reason that Manolo video hit is because you had extensive knowledge in that one thing.

21:47Jack Savoie: Right. Same thing with shoes of the past. Like you have extensive knowledge in these things. I'm curious for you, like what has been your best way to learn? Like what are some things that have helped you with like your fashion history over the years? I'm always researching, you know, I'm always looking and I've always been kind of like a fashion nerd, like a little fashion geek. Like when I took fashion history in college. Like I was always really, there was always a part of me that loved that piece. And so, you know, I was constantly looking things up, reading things. I've watched all the shows.

22:19Jack Savoie: I've, you know, seen all the things, but I think being in like a design side, but also like having that knowledge, like putting those two things together has been really beneficial because like you understand how it can be made. You understand, And, you know, the process behind creating it. But then also the history, I think, is so important, too. I'm like an educator. I like education and I like knowing what's going on. So if I can help educate, I think it's great. So I was like, yeah, I'm going to mix these two things together. A hundred percent. And I think that's the most important thing, that educational side of it.

22:57It begs the question for me, do you really think that you have to live in New York or even LA to be in fashion these days?

23:05Jack Savoie: These days, I don't think so, especially with where we are in terms of social media and like how you can literally do anything from anywhere. I think post-COVID, post-pandemic, I hate even talking about this. It's such a weird thing to relate back to, but social media, Zooms, it was just a whole new way of working and creating. So I think it made life a little bit more accessible in a way that where it wasn't before. I think you really had to work your way into those behind the curtain things, you know, work your way up in those worlds and get connected in those worlds. So now that it's so easily accessible, I think you can kind of do it from anywhere.

23:53Something I get asked frequently is from adults who love fashion, who will message me on Instagram and will say, I love the industry so much, but I'm working in something. I have a full-time job. How do I get in there? How do I even start? And I think you are the perfect person to answer that question. You have a full-time job. You're working as a stylist. You're working in the store. You're also building this like budding, incredible content world and career. I want to hear first how you have been able to balance those two, because that's basically two full-time jobs. Don't forget that content creators, that's a full-time job.

24:29So tell me a little bit about that.

24:31Jack Savoie: It's a really interesting space. And I still feel like I'm evolving it too, but it's tough. Yeah. I have two full-time jobs. I work 10 to six, five days a week. And it's a full week. and then when I go home, I'm creating. Like it just doesn't stop. Like if you really want to do it, you know, there's the hustle behind it all, right? And I really believe in this community that I've built. I can't just let it go. So when I'm off of work, I'm back to it, you know, creating content. And there is a reality of it. There is a little bit of burnout too. You know, you feel a little bit of this like pressure when you see other people posting things, you know, going on Instagram, and be like, hey, I got to post, you know, but I'm still trying to find like a healthy balance of like, okay, just because everybody else is doing it doesn't mean that you have to do it also.

25:26Jack Savoie: You know, it's okay. Like Instagram and TikTok will still be there. They're not going anywhere, you know, and the new cycle and the new things, there's always something, you know, and there's always something to talk about. So I think that's a thing that I am personally working with myself right now of like, don't get, don't get too stressed. You know, it's there, but I get it though too. Like you have a fan base that is relying on you for content and, you know, new things and constantly, you know, talking about new things, I guess. But so yeah, it's a, it's a balancing act. It's a, it's a tough, it's a tough act, but you know, you can do it.

26:08Jack Savoie: I think, I think people can do it. It just takes time. Some of my favorite creators are people who are creators by night. And I think that's because I appreciate their POV a lot more because it's so deeply informed by what they're doing by day. And while there are so many full-time creators who I love following, I think that that offers you a really different perspective than anybody else who could just be full-time culturally commentating. Like you are in a store, you're seeing how things move, you're buying, you're at markets. There's, even though you definitely live like that Hannah Montana life.

26:44Jack Savoie: Best of both worlds, baby. Is that really what it feels like? It feels like Hannah Montana. I feel like I take my wig off and then I put on a new wig and then like, yeah, it's like one day I'm in the store and then the next day I'm flying to LA to go to a premiere. You know, it's like, it's a crazy life. It's a crazy life. So how do you find the balance? I mean, you know, it's just, I don't know. Just letting it be really for me. Like I just, you do have to say no to some things, which is hard. Thankfully, my job has allowed me to kind of like, if I need to take the time I can, but it is, it's tough.

27:21Jack Savoie: You know, it's, it's constantly tweaking, constantly working through it. Taking it day by day. Taking it day by day. It's true. You can't plan for, you can't plan for those things. No. And it's, it's just, I feel like everyone's situation is going to be different too. Absolutely. And I feel like I kind of just have this weird, unique situation where, you know, yes, I am working full time, but I work hard, you know, I'm selling a ton, you know, but I have unlimited PTO that I've earned now because I've done that. So it is helpful to have the unlimited PTO while I'm also going to all the fabulous, you know, fashion things and doing all the fun things like that.

27:58But yeah, I feel like I'm a really big believer in not quitting your day job for a long time. Like, especially if you're in this space, I just, I hold in such high regard the first jobs that I had out of college that taught me so much about running a business. I'm so glad that I didn't go freelance right out of school because I would have had no idea what I'm doing.

28:19Jack Savoie: I mean, yeah, it's a whole other side. Like even now kind of like tiptoeing into it, you're like, okay, like I got to do this and this and that, you know. You got to run it like a business. You got to run it like a business and like taxes and all that, you know, you're like, whoa, like this is a whole new sphere for me. So you've built this all while being in Denver, working at A-Line. For people listening who are inspired by your career trajectory, where would you tell them to start? I mean, intern. You know, having the structure, at least for me, was super helpful. You know, like understanding how things work, I think is very important.

29:00Jack Savoie: So working underneath somebody, working for a designer. Let's say you want to go into to design, you know, like working under those designers, seeing how things operate, I think is so beneficial. And having those full-time jobs too is so beneficial. Just seeing how things operate and materialize. But then when it comes to content creating, you know, put it out there. Like, you know, whatever you're thinking about, I'm sure people are also thinking about too. So that was the thing with like the shoes. I was like somebody's got to also be thinking about this right like yeah clearly and then it like struck a chord I also think I caught a wave of like nostalgia I feel like there's a lot of nostalgia happening in the world right now so I kind of just like it just merged right in but I think that's important though too like if you are feeling that way I bet somebody else is also feeling that way yeah I think you have to create content around things you what you're feeling What is naturally happening in your life?

30:01Jack Savoie: Like I was craving that nostalgia. Right. So I put it out there. Everybody else is craving the nostalgia. I think that's the best kind of content today is the one that like the pieces that like come kind of off the cuff. Is anybody else thinking about this? Like to me, that's where you can really build community. Do you think you need to have a niche on social media today? I do. I think you kind of have to have a little bit of a realm that you want to be in, right? like I am a fashion space, I think you should have a little bit of a niche. I think it's important too, because otherwise, like, I feel like you don't really know where your lane is, right?

30:39Jack Savoie: Not that you need to have a lane necessarily, but I think it's helpful to kind of have an idea and a vision and kind of a pathway of where you, but I mean, it might evolve for sure. But I think having an area of concentration is important. I totally agree. Heavy on the it can evolve part. Yeah, it's like a resume almost. It is a resume. I think Instagram today is quite literally a digital business card. Like it is how you can connect with other people and share. I think it's like you just have to start. You just have to start. And I don't think there's never going to be a right time. Never going to be a right time.

31:15And also I think perfection is like, what's that saying? Done is better than perfect. Absolutely. I'm such a big believer in that. I think it's really important for people who want to be in fashion to just be willing and open to putting your POV out there. And it's not going to be perfect. How did you start meeting people in the industry? I think that's another big thing. You can start putting the content out there and gaining the community. But you know, you were saying you fly to red carpets and you're, I've seen you on the red carpet at Love Story and all those things. So how did you start building those contacts?

31:43Jack Savoie: I mean, thankfully they kind of came in my direction from posting, but a lot of it was just popping into my emails, you know, like all of a sudden I would get like a random little thing. And again, going back to just like putting whatever you want out there. Great example of this, the girls of all's fair, all those fabulous ladies on that Ryan Murphy show. One of the most well-dressed press tours I've ever seen. Well, that was the thing. It got me to watch the show and I feel like I'm a big TV gal. So if you hook me, I'll do it. Oh, I mean, I was obsessed with that press tour. It was really beautifully done.

32:20Jack Savoie: all of them together. I was like, this is amazing. So again, started talking about it. I was like, fascinated by it. I was freaking out. And I was posting those videos and Kim Kardashian showed them to Ryan Murphy. No way. Ryan was like, we need to have him at this dinner. So they were doing their whole press tour. I mean, those premieres are bananas. Like it's big, big, big Like photos, interviews, whole thing. Boom. Back on a plane. Next place. Next place. So I think New York, they wanted to keep it a little bit more like chill, calm down, like relaxed. And it was a very intimate dinner that I had been invited to.

33:00Jack Savoie: So I flew out to New York. And that's the thing. Like you got to just do it. You just got to fly out there. I think I flew myself out. Good for you. Flew myself out. Sometimes you have to. I had to go to my hotel. Yep. And I had no idea walking into it what it was going to be. And it was a beautiful dinner at the Whitby Hotel. So then I'm just standing by the bar. And then all of a sudden, like all these people just start coming in. It's like Jenna Lyons. It's like Gil King. And, you know, I'm like, oh my God, like Amy Schumer walks over to me and she's like, I love your feather bolero that you bought.

33:27Jack Savoie: And I was like, you saw that? That's crazy. Like, you know, and then so it's kind of that mingling. Like you just start meeting all these people. And yeah, it's going to the events. It's going to the dinners. It's going to the things. And, you know, going to the events and meeting all the people. Well, there were so many things when I was first starting out that I put on a credit card to make sure that I could be there. Absolutely. Yeah. Because I knew that if you got me in the door, you got me in the room, I would meet people and things would come from it. Absolutely. And it did every time. And I think that's the most important thing is like if you have an opportunity right in front of you, it might not always be the perfect one, right?

34:04Like I remember I was fresh out of college and I was writing for Forbes at the time. and Forbes was like, hey, Victoria's Secret is doing their show in Paris and we don't have anybody like local that's going to cover it. Do you think that like, if you're going, they had called me and been like, they were like, are you going? Because at the time I had like kind of, that was like something that maybe they thought I would have gone to. And I told them yes, even though I didn't have anything. Not a flight, not a hotel room, nothing. I was like, yeah, I actually am.

34:32Jack Savoie: But you have to jump at that opportunity. Absolutely. Because I knew in my mind, I was like, I'm about to book the cheapest flight. I'm about to book the weirdest Airbnb. and I'm going to go cover the Victoria's Secret show for Forbes. And I was 22 at the time. I totally lied to them and I got the job. And that was a huge moment for my career at the time. Huge. I was able to be there and cover it. And sometimes I think you just have to say yes at like the imperfect opportunities and make them perfect because you never know what's going to come out of it. You never know. You really never know. I feel like I'd be remiss if we didn't get into some of your like high level opinions on just kind of what's going on in fashion right now.

35:05Again, I always love popping over to your Instagram and socials to see all of that. So what brands for you are really creating like that desire right now? Like, what do you think is really, really working? Because there's a lot that's not.

35:16Jack Savoie: I mean, I agree. High level Chanel has been huge. I mean, we've seen that. Like, it's kind of crazy, you know, the need and the want that people are craving, I think, from these brands. And what Matthew has brought is. and I think right now people are craving whimsical things. Oh yeah. They're craving, same at Dior. They're craving, I mean, Jonathan's pieces are beyond lily pad shoes. I mean, like, hello, cute. I mean, like, we all need that. We want that. Like, that's what fashion should be, right? It should be this inspiring, like, craveability, like, somewhat aspirational thing. but I think they're, you know, Dior Chanel, I think they're doing great things.

36:09Jack Savoie: I think they're doing wonderful, wonderful things. I feel like Kallmeier is doing wonderful things. Big brand that I am obsessed with. If you guys have not listened to our episode with Daniela Kallmeier, please go back and listen to it. It is from September of 2025 and it was one of my favorites it's ever done. Truly, she, she, one is a great storyteller, but someone who just like my way or the highway in the best way. I mean, I don't know her, but I would love to know her. She's absolutely fantastic. I've been wearing all my hair. Me too. It's, it's sticker shock. There's definitely, it's definitely an expensive brand, but things do go on sale on her website.

36:49I saw a sale recently. And I think if you can get it secondhand on the RealReal, even better. it is expertly crafted. We actually had Elise Walker on the podcast in April of 2025. And she said that the Kalmeier pieces in her store are flying and that the blazer is one of the best fitting ones she's ever worn. Like it is, it is so well done.

37:07Jack Savoie: Truly a great brand. I mean, I have a tie of a few tops from them that I really want her to do men's. I'm like, I feel like, I mean, that is a whole different ball game, but I would love for her to like dip her toe into it a little bit because I love what she's creating for women. I mean, I'll wear it all, you know, but there was this top that you can wear it backwards, forward, you know, tie it, don't tie it. Like same with my other top. I mean, great, great pieces. And it's just a really intriguing brand. I feel like it's, I mean, not to compare brand to brand, but I don't like doing that. But I mean, it's kind of like Kate, but not as expensive, you know, in a way to me.

37:48And as edgy.

37:49Jack Savoie: As edgy, right? Like it's a little bit more commercialized, like a little bit more like you can understand it a little bit more, you know, if you want that look, you know, but maybe not. I mean, it's still an expensive brand, but, you know, more contemporary. I think that's a great way to go. I have spent the month complaining on the podcast about my qualms with retail right now. I don't really feel like a lot is working. Like what for you is working? I think what's working is, again, going back to like creativity, like newness. I think that is what's really working and resonating with the customer.

38:24Jack Savoie: I feel like that's what's really honing in. And from a selling perspective too, like you can see what's sitting on the floor and what is gone in like two seconds. It's fascinating. Do you have an example of something that's like been gone in two seconds? Okay. For instance, Joseph created this beautiful raffia kind of brown dress, right? Like you could dress it up. You could make it maybe a little formal or you could wear it really pared down resort chic. Gone. One day. Something that's just like easy to style across everything. But it's still visually interesting. It had great texture. It had great silhouette.

39:05Jack Savoie: It had great shape. Great color. It was this beautiful like chocolate brown. Stunning. gone. So I think that's what's moving people, right? It's just something fun and cool and interesting. Something that feels like almost universal, but... Universal, but has a little bit of an edge. Right. That like everybody could look at it and style it differently. Absolutely. Yeah. Who's a red carpet favorite for you right now? Who do I love? Oh my God. There's so many good ones right now. Getting off of awards, season. Tiana Taylor had an amazing year. Incredible. Amazing season. She was amazing, amazing, amazing.

39:45Jack Savoie: You know who I'm loving? Somber. He's so tall. I love him. All the Valentino. It's hard to miss him. Oh my gosh. I love everything. All the Valentino is just so I love a tall person who wears clothes well. Yeah. Yeah. You know who I love? You know, Carla Welch styles Renate Reinsva. Oh good. Oh yeah. She always looks so chic. Yeah. Just like clean. Yeah. Plus the tall girls. I know. I'm jealous of them. I mean, come on. They can do all the silhouettes. Yeah. I want to talk about this thing that I find so, I'm so gravitated towards right now on social media and you really fall into that category.

40:22And that is commentators. I feel like commentators this year have really taken up such a wonderful space in the fashion landscape. I love following people like you. I love following people like Brenda Hashtag, Dad about Make It Fashion, old loser in Brooklyn. That category of creator to me right now is so important because I think it's fun, but it's also educational and it's giving great POVs into what's going on in the industry right now. And one, I'd like to hear how you feel about that. Do you feel, do you like that label? Do you like that category?

40:55Jack Savoie: Call me a commentator. I'm going to commentate. I'm like, I love it. I love that space and I love commentating and I love talking about what's going on. Right. And now getting to even like go on red carpets and interview people, you know, which is great. The interview stuff is kind of funny too. Cause like you just kind of get thrown into it and you're like, okay, like, do I make this all about fashion or like, I should probably talk about like them a little bit too. So doing a little bit of both, but I always, I always bring it back to fashion. I'm like, who are we wearing? I'm like, we got to talk about the outfit.

41:31Jack Savoie: I'm like, I need to see the whole look, you know? And I think now that we've kind of, I feel like we have really shifted away from like television, right? Like this is the television that we're holding in our hands. Sometimes I get in bed and I scroll TikTok and don't turn on the TV. Right. You know, like we had all those really big channels, you know, like, I mean, even going way, way back, what was it like fashion TV and like all that stuff, like way back in the day. And then, you know, you had E and you have all that. So now I think having this in your pocket and in your hand, you know, it's right there, you know, and I think that's why it's so big too is, and it's again, really accessible.

42:09You just start talking,

42:11Jack Savoie: you can start posting and it's there. And I think it's really challenging traditional media. I have to bring up something that happened to you earlier this year, Coachella Weekend One. Oh. You technically broke the news that Sabrina Carpenter was wearing Dior, just based off your own education. Vogue obviously had the exclusive and the story and the photos, but you were the first person really on social media to call it out. And it was fascinating. I was sitting at home. I saw you post it. And within the hour, I had seen numerous other outlets post exactly that, but not crediting you at all. And this was before the Vogue story had broken.

42:49So, you know, she was wearing like a lace kind of Chantilly bodysuit. Not a lot of people would have picked it up. And I remember seeing that and having a lot of like conversations with friends in the fashion community being like, Jack, Jack was the one that shared that. And all of these publications now are sharing it with zero credit or a citation to what you shared. How did you feel about that?

43:12Jack Savoie: Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. I mean, I'm standing there in the audience like watching. I could not stop looking at her. I was like, I was obviously, it was a great performance. It was wonderful. And I kept looking at her and I was like, God, I was like, what is she wearing? I was like, that is a Dior. Like it has to be Dior. Like I'm like, I can, it's that specific lace. He uses that lace. I know, I know. So then when the next day, before we went to all the concerts, I posted it quickly. And I think I was even like surfing the internet to like, and I was like grabbing my own photos, but then I was like surfing like on Twitter.

43:46And I was like, does anyone like have pictures of this?

43:48Jack Savoie: Like, is this like, it was bare. Yes. And I remember actually when you posted it, I went to look in other places and it was nowhere. Yeah. You were literally the first to just be like, it's Dior. Absolutely. Which is, by the way, what I loved the most about it. I was like, too, I was like, it has to be Dior. Like, you know, I'm not going to I'm standing on it. I could be wrong, but I am for sure that this is Dior. And here's why. Again, let's bring in the history. Let's look at the shows. Let's look at the silhouettes, right? Like you can see that tie in with that brand because they're obviously going to keep a brand consistent, but in a vision, right, of where they're going with their brand.

44:29Jack Savoie: But I was like, it has to be New York. And then posted it, whatever. I think I went and got coffee with my friend before we were going into the festival. And somebody, I think, tagged me. And I think it was maybe like CR Fashion Book had posted kind of the same thing. And they were like, this is what Jack said. And again, Vogue had the exclusive. So it wasn't like known yet that it was Dior. But yeah, it was a weird thing too. And I'm fine with it. I'm like, okay, post whatever you want to post. But like, I'm not a person that like needs to be like, I said that first, you know. But I do think it's interesting that someone like you has the platform to be able to compete with.

45:10Jack Savoie: Oh, that's modern media. crazy. I am going to all of your guys's feeds during fashion month quicker than I am going to publications that I follow. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's something that we're going to see become even stronger. Yeah. I think people want to follow people, not publications. Of course. And I mean, it's us that controls it. Right. So I feel like we can get it out really fast. Whereas like media, I think obviously probably has to be edited and it has to like go through a whole thing. I mean, I don't know that whole world better, but I mean, I feel like there's a little bit more of a barrier before it gets posted.

45:46Jack Savoie: Whereas we're like, boop, boop, Chanel. We're here. We're here. These are the shoes. These are the shoes. Look at them. I think the landscape is changing a lot. I really appreciate people like you and I'm excited to see where it goes. I'm excited to see more personality behind breaking news and thoughts and opinions and Coachella outfits because I think that that's how we want to consume media today. Yeah. It's fascinating. I know. Well, thank you for coming on today. Thank you for coming to LA for us. Thanks for having me. What a fun little morning you're having. I love it. It was so amazing to hear about your journey, about your Hannah Montana life.

46:19I love following your content and I'm excited to see all that you do. Thank you. Safe flight home. Thanks.

46:33Thank you.