How To Master the "In-Between" Outfits

0:00Gabs Gofis: I'm either really, really dressed up or I'm like in sweats. I have a hard time with the in-betweens. That's my specialty. Hence the episode, everybody. For in-between outfits specifically, it's these very basic outfits that are realistic, are easy, and are the outfits that we're actually wearing. If you are a little bit more methodical with those pieces, you'll end up really feeling confident in those in-between outfits. I think what I spend the most money on is my denim. I've really just been a resale girl. I would say all my best buys have been from resale. And Etsy? No way. I need to understand, what are you searching on Etsy?

0:41Gabs Gofis: Welcome back to Let's Get Dressed. Before we dive into today's episode, make sure that you're following the show, both on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, so that you don't miss a new episode. In case you want to watch today's episode, you can head over to YouTube. The full episode is available there too. And when you're done, leave us a review. I always love to hear what you guys think about the episodes, and it really helps the show go. Now, let's go get dressed. Welcome to the show. Good to be here. Thank you for having me. Thrilled to have you on like one of your first podcasts too. Yes, it is.

1:12I'm so, so excited. Listeners, rejoice, please.

1:16Gabs Gofis: You get her in a new format. It's so exciting. I feel like, you know, we can both—I feel like offline, we've talked so much about different things, and it's like good to sit down and get it all. I say this often. One of my favorite parts of having the show is just, bringing friends on who I have great conversations with. Totally. I get to actually record them. Exactly. I'm so excited to get into all this. I feel like today I'm going to learn the most out of this podcast. I'm so excited. Yeah. But we have just launched a new series on the podcast called Receipts. So excited. And so I have to get these first for you before we get into the nitty gritty.

1:44Gabs Gofis: So what is the biggest investment you've made in your closet or wardrobe? I think what I spend the most money on is my denim. Wow. Yeah. I never say no to a pair of denim. If it fits me right, I'm like, that's what we're doing. So I, and I'm even wearing like a really good pair right now. We'll talk about it later. But I think my vintage Levi's collection, it spans. And if it fits me right, I'm buying it. And you know, those can cost upwards. I mean, they can range. I've gotten deals like at the flea market. And then I've invested, you know, a few hundred dollars in a really perfect pair. And I think that those are the pieces that I wear the most.

2:25So that's what I invest in the most.

2:27Gabs Gofis: What's the most you've ever spent on a pair of jeans? I think like 300, 350. It's crazy now. I feel like I'm seeing jeans that are like insanely expensive. Even more. Like I had, I've bought, you know, like the Kate jeans before. Right. And those are like, what,$600? Yes. And they're expensive, but they don't fit me right. They don't fit me right either. No shade to Kate. We love you, Kate. No shade. We love you so much. They don't fit me right. But they literally come up to my bra. I'm like curvier and I have hips and they just, they don't work well with my hips, but I have spent on jeans. I've spent money on jeans.

2:59But like now I think most recently it's eyewear. Say more because I have a take, which is that. Tell me the take. Save on eyewear.

3:08Gabs Gofis: Don't buy expensive eyewear, guys. Okay. So I've always been of the mindset that you can absolutely find amazing eyewear for a great deal. And I kind of do both. I'm very high-low in general with my style and especially in each category, specifically eyewear, I'm like, I have like a target pair that I'm obsessed with. And then I also like, I'll splurge. And the reason why I say just splurge is because I wear them so much. I get so much mileage on, especially the last two pairs that I've bought where now I'm kind of like, okay, I think that I'm more in the mindset that you can splurge a little bit and invest a little bit in your eyewear.

3:53Gabs Gofis: yeah please give us a show so no those are so fabulous like let's look come on these are are we all looking these are phoebe philo if you're not on youtube right now and you're listening audibly she is wearing these like unbelievable phoebe philo like brown not tortoise they're like they're brown a light brown it's so cool they're a round aviator yeah but on top of it there's a second layer of like a square yeah like lucite lucite they're super 70s so cool on you. Thank you. Thank you. They're so fun. And honestly, they were they kind of came out of left field. I had not seen them there. You know, like those Bamba sunglasses that she does and like they're everywhere.

4:34These ones were very they're called the cookie sunglasses. OK, I'm like a cookie monster. I love cookies. And like I like to have a meaning to something, you know, so for these I was like a little bit. I mean, there's a price tag, right? Right.

4:47Gabs Gofis: How much were those? You know, I think that they were around six, if I'm not mistaken. And I had recently also invested in the Kate sunglasses, which are like the Kate Oliver Peoples. I also brought those. Like they're amazing. And I wear those every single day. And I really felt like they brought something and they brought a little point of view to my very casual outfits. And that's just why I I was like, you know what? I love having these as an option. I love kind of expanding my eyewear collection because I think that now it's kind of a part of my personal style. Like it's like, I can bring these in and I can spice up and elevate just like a really simple outfit.

5:31It's true. It's adding so much to your outfit. You know, and like you can, and I did, and I will say I did find a beautiful pair that look so similar to these that are vintage, that are 70s. You could find them on Etsy. I found the pair that I'm talking about at Arcade in LA. Oh, yeah. One of my favorite vintage stores in LA. Depop too. Depop. Like, you can find this look for way less. Yep. I just, I do see the draw because you wear, I wear them so much. Yep. And I'm like, okay, so that, so if I'm being honest with you.

6:03Gabs Gofis: I get it. I've been investing in eyewear. How many sunglasses have you lost in your life? It's my Roman empire. I think about where all my lost sunglasses are. Like, where are they in this world? And so that's why. I've lost a Chanel pair that were like my armor. I mean, no, I get it. And I think it was just time in my life. I'm 30. And I was like, you're not freaking losing another pair of sunglasses. No, you're not that. That's so funny. I was like, we're done doing that. So I just, I'm way more insane about like knowing where my glasses, like I'm very, I put them in the case. I treat them with respect.

6:38Yeah.

6:39Gabs Gofis: Someone saw the inside of my bag the other day and I had two, I will show you guys my bag now. Two roaming sunglasses. And someone was like, oh, you're that girl. And I was like, yeah, I'm that girl too. I mean, I'm trying not to be. And look, I know that I just said, don't invest in sunglasses. And I have one pair of sunglasses that I wear every single day. Yeah. I have bought them in every color. Yeah. And it's the Kate 1983C Oliver People sunglasses. Okay, I know which one. My best friend has those. I wear them every day in black tortoise. I just bought them in red. Yeah. I did just buy. I'm going to go get them.

7:11Okay, see, you do like investing in sunglasses. I love this.

7:17Gabs Gofis: So I just got these and these were like 130 bucks. I love them. I'm still figuring them out. The YouTube people can tell me if they like them or not. Wait, what's the brand? These are Elisa Johnson. I love those. They're cool, right? And like, you're right. I do feel like for an outfit that I'm wearing now, like it's just such an easy way. No, no, it just did so much for the outfit. So like that's, I have to recommend that it's eyewear. Also really quickly, guys, I just want to audibly describe them for people who aren't watching on YouTube. The Elisa Johnson ones that I had are kind of like an aviator frame with like a light pinkish yellow.

7:50Gabs Gofis: How would you describe that frame? Yeah, they're like a light brown. Yeah, They're like a thick kind of aviator. Yeah. And I love them. I actually got them at the new Kith store on Sunset. Those are really cool. By the way, if you are in LA, the Kith store has such a good selection of cool eyewear. Okay, great to know. And those are a good nice price point. $135, I think they were. Yeah, great price point. Yeah. And like then we have vintage Chanel. Where'd you get those from? The RealReal. And I got them for under$200. And it's like… Did they fit you when you got them? Yeah. Okay, so these Chanel ones are like an ombre shade.

8:23Yeah, they're like a dark, like a brownish red.

8:27Gabs Gofis: And then like, yeah. With like a mother of pearl Chanel. They're extremely chic. These are from like probably. We keep looking at each other ourselves in the. I know we're bad. Early 2000s. Like my mom probably had these. Like I don't even remember. But so good. I was like, I told you I lost a pair of my treasured Chanel sunglasses. And I was like, you know what? I want to replace those in some way. And I think I had these on my like 2006 Christmas list. to my mom was, who do you think you are? And so we were living up in dreams and I found them for a great price. So like I said, you can find amazing quality designer sunglasses for a great price, but they are the secret to a cool outfit.

9:09Gabs Gofis: Yeah, they are. Okay. So high rating. You'd purchase it again. I recommend the investment. All of them. Okay. And I've honestly like the The other most recent things I've bought, a lot on the RealReal. Like vintage Giorgio Armani. Really good Giorgio Armani recently. You are spot on with that. Like so good. There's like a black cropped, like a fitted jacket. Yeah. That is kind of like what you're wearing today. This is vintage Jill Sander. And I also love vintage Jill Sander on the RealReal. Yeah. Love. Yeah. I find so many good kind of designer things on there. I've really lately been oscillating between like Depop for like every day.

9:47Gabs Gofis: Yeah. cool vintage tees, like not label things. No, no label. Just like cute cargo pants and like fun tees. And then I'll go to the RealReal and like look at the designer things. Yeah, I've really just been a resale girl. The last year I would find, I would say all my best buys have been from resale. I was going to say the same thing. And Etsy? No way. Oh, oh, you know, you don't know about Etsy? No, I'm not Etsyverse. Did you see that yellow dress I wore last week? Yes, I absolutely did. No label? No label. Etsy. Fit me like a glove. Didn't even have to tailor it. Tell us. 60s. I need to understand.

10:19Gabs Gofis: Okay. So I have used Etsy for like gifts and home. Yeah. What are you searching on Etsy? Etsy is incredible. And that is where I've gotten most, a lot of my recent purchases too. I'm doing the same thing. A lot of resale just like feels so much more one of one, a little bit more unique. Yep. And honestly, it's all about the fabric. Like you need to know, you need to learn about fabrics. You need to learn about brocade. You need to learn about typing in silk, taffeta. Like you need to know what you're looking for specific down to the fabric. 100 % silk chiffon, you know, and that really narrows in on what it's fitting out to you.

11:05So I feel like learning about fabrics and search terms that include fabrics is how you get the result.

11:11Gabs Gofis: A good way to, not to interrupt, but a good way if you guys are like, how do I do that? Yeah. Jenna Lyons has an incredible series on her Instagram. So right. That breaks down all of the different fabrics, how to find the best ones. It's probably far back in her real tab. It is a little older, I feel like. But find it because it actually, it taught me a lot. Yes. And so that is a perfect example of like taking those search terms and plugging them in and you'll find so much gold for that specific dress. I'm very into brocade. I'm very into jacquard fabrics. And a lot of those that they're doing today, even it's, it's vintage inspired.

11:54So you type it in. I'm like, I mean, I found this gorgeous brocade jacket with like mother of pearl buttons. That was like a label I would have never, I mean, like it's, it's, it's these, it's these brands from the past that, you know, they didn't make it or whatever. They were hot in the 60s or 70s or 80s and they're no longer, but they produced quality stuff. And so those are the underrated brands that like you're not going to really find even on the RealReal. I actually have a safe search for the no name and I comb through it.

12:28Gabs Gofis: On the RealReal? Yeah, I'm a freak. I comb through it. Wow. Because I do think that there's some gems sometimes, but I just maybe, am I not trusting? Do I have trust issues? I think it's like an eye thing. You got to really like dissect it and you have to, that takes time. You need to like have some patience for that. With Etsy, I like it because, you know, it'll share a lot of information about the brand and the photos sometimes are like a little bit better where you could like zoom in and see what it is. So I really have enjoyed shopping on Etsy lately. And are you, are you messaging the seller?

13:00Gabs Gofis: Like are you having a conversation? You're just buying off the bat. I have another hack too. Oh, please. Which I wish people were, people were shocked at the event. So I hosted an event last week with Lucy Delius. She's a beautiful designer, a fine jewelry designer in the UK. And I wore this vintage dress and it was like a brocade yellow with florals. It's stunning. And everyone was like shocked at how well it fit me. And they're like, did you get this tailored like after you got it? And I was like, no. So what I've been doing is chat knows my, and I started doing this for like Levi's. Chat knows my measurements.

13:39Chat GPT. Chat GPT. Okay. AI. AI. Yeah. No, I've plugged in now at this point. They know my measurements. And I think this dated from when I was getting married. Like I had to do a conversion for something and I'm really bad at math and everything. And even my measurements, like I'm not good at that stuff. So I remember I I got all my measurements done for my wedding for something. So I had them all handy and I plugged it in to chat to see if I, if something on Etsy would fit me based on those measurements. And I, now I will like copy and paste the measurements that the seller will give because they're very specific.

14:13They'll give it down to the centimeter and I'll plug it in a chat. And I'm like, compared to my measurements, how will this fit me? Genius. And it literally said, this is going to fit you like a glove. Genius. Click. Add to cart. Check out. Done. And what did it do? Fit me like a glove. Like it fit me like a glove. I didn't have to do anything. So I do think like using that as a tool has been helpful for buying vintage stuff.

14:39Gabs Gofis: Fashion girls for AI. Literally. I'm like, oh my God, am I giving away too much? No, I think like those, in my opinion, like I, if you're using those things as a tool, Yeah. I'm all for it. I know. What is it here for? There are so many different things that you can use it for. And the measurements one is a really great one. Right? Yeah. And honestly, I didn't know it was going to be a reoccurring thing, but it's proved to be so helpful, even with ready-to-wear, not vintage. You know, just comparing sizing. And if you're like, if a brand doesn't really give you much info, it's so easy to just take the measurements it gives you and plug it in there and compare it to your own.

15:18Gabs Gofis: I need to get my measurements done. So smart. So smart. Right? So one of the reasons I wanted to bring you on is, one, of course, impeccable style. Every time I see you, I'm like, she looks so good. But I think you do such a great job of, like, everyday elevated outfits. You're so sweet. First of all, back at you. I feel the opposite. No, like, no. Back at you. You have such polished, beautiful style. Thank you. I think one of the things that I really struggle with and one of the things I love to do with the show is like, if I'm, if it's something I'm struggling with in my everyday style, like I love to bring on people to like help guide me and listen to that journey because 90 % of the time, if I'm experiencing it, everyone's experiencing it too.

15:58Gabs Gofis: Yeah, for sure. But I have like a hard time with the in-betweens. That's my specialty. Hence the episode. Yeah, right. I'm either like really, really dressed up. Like I've said numerous times on the show, I'm kind of a serial overdresser or I'm like in sweats. So that in-between kind of everyday world was always really hard for me. and even more so when I moved back to LA. When I was living in New York, I felt like that world was like, oh, he's a bit more dressed up. Uh-huh, it is. You know, you are. It is. And in LA, I just had such a hard time navigating that in between. Yes. And I think you are someone who has done that so well.

16:31Gabs Gofis: Thank you. Incredibly, incredibly, incredibly well. Well, it's so funny because I feel like LA has influenced my personal style a lot. I lived here for like almost nine years and originally from Chicago. And I feel like Chicago and New York have a similar vibe where it is a little bit more dressed up. Chicago can lean a little bit more casual than New York. But moving here really brought my style into the casual stratosphere. And I think I was almost like forced to learn how to master the casual style because of the environment here. everyone's kind of perfected like the jeans and a tee outfit in their own way and everyone looks very personal to them and you can do it in different ways but I also started showing my outfits on social media with more of these in-between outfits it was really really pared down it was really really casual it was like the outfits I was wearing to go in the office and my office, you know, culture was way more casual than business casual.

17:40And, you know, I'd be in like a sweatshirt and track pants or like whatever it was. And I would share that. And I think that it kind of gave me the confidence to share those in-between outfits and expand on them and kind of work on them. You have to like flex a muscle with them a little bit.

17:57Gabs Gofis: Absolutely. And it's hard when I get this a lot with some of my followers. They're like, I work from home. I don't know how to dress myself because I'm working from home all the time or I'm a stay-at-home mom and I want to look a little bit more polished. And how can I do that? And I really think it's kind of investing in those categories, which those are the categories that get left behind that you don't think to invest in. But I think if you pay a little bit more attention and are a little bit more methodical with those pieces, you'll end up really enjoying and feeling confident in those in-between outfits.

18:33Gabs Gofis: I want to go all the way back to the beginning of this episode, talking about your personal style, how you got to this point. Yeah. Obviously, you grew up in Chicago. Yes. Moved to LA. Yeah. I want to hear a little bit about how LA has really shaped your style. How has it been influential in the way that you are getting dressed every day? So I think when I think about getting dressed in LA specifically or California, it's ease. It's feeling really confident in, you know, what you know is flattering and there's no pressure. It's like my husband's from here. He grew up here too. He's from Manhattan Beach.

19:07And if he could live in board shorts and rainbow flip flops and a surf shirt, like he would. And I appreciate that about him because it's like his nine to five is like so different than what he comes and changes into. He's like buttoned up in a suit and then he like changes into like his true colors. But I feel like that's what's so great about LA is that it's so easy. And, you know, it's a lot of high and low. And you can be wearing something so precious, but you're also wearing, you know, a 100 % cotton t-shirt with it. It doesn't need to be like a pinned up blouse tucked in with a belt. Like, it's not like that here.

19:49So I think it's like a bit unpolished in LA. It's just a little bit on serious here. So I like that about it. And I feel like it's kind of made me, it's kind of made me appreciate the slow and steadiness and not so, you're not in a rush, like in New York or in Chicago, like it's like you're in a rush and it's a little bit, it leans a little bit more moody here. It's a little bit lighter. It's true. And even like my, my shoes, like when I go to New York and Chicago, I'm like, I don't have the right shoes. I feel like here, it's all about like your good flats, your flip flops, you know, and, you know, a sneaker here and there.

20:30And, and, and that's what I've really honed in on. And that's what really shaped my personal style. And moving into that, having a signature style or signature outfit that feels very you. I think it's easy to do that in LA.

20:46Gabs Gofis: The shoe thing is a great point because I remember I lived in New York for 10 years. And I had like a wall of shoes and hardly any heels. Obviously, not wearing them in New York. A lot of sneakers. When I moved to LA, I remember like three, four months into moving, I was like, I had a very big reckoning with my closet. Totally. Where I had realized how different LA life was. I didn't have a single pair of flip-flops. Not a single one. And I mean, this is coming from someone who like grew up around Malibu. Like, I just had gotten rid of all of that. Right, right, right. Why? I'm not using that in New York.

21:21Gabs Gofis: Yeah, no. No sandals, no ballet flats, nothing. Right. And I really felt like that was like the true indicator of where you live. Yes, it is. Has so much to do with the shoes that you have. It really does. And I noticed that like when I'm traveling and I'm like, okay. I need this. Yeah. And like we'll kind of get into the gaps in the closet stuff. But because that's another series I have. But I mean, here is just so rooted in ease. It's like a slip-on, a slide-on. That's what you need here. And it has to do with the weather too, which is wonderful. I'm curious if when you moved here, you were following anybody or like certain things were on your Pinterest board.

22:01Gabs Gofis: One thing I actually recently got asked in an AMA was someone saying, I'm moving to a new city and don't know if I'm supposed to change my personal style to match that city. Did you have that experience? So it was so interesting. I've moved here after college. So I feel like after college, wherever you are, you're a little bit confused because you're like every aspect of life. Oh my God. Wow. We can have a whole other podcast. Invite me back. We'll talk. But no, I, I feel like after college, I was like so confused because I, I went to, went to Indiana in the Midwest, which is like so much fun.

22:33And like, there's like a melting pot of just different styles, different cultures, different parts of the country and what we would wear in 2017. I mean, it's unspeakable. Unspeakable horrors. I had the Jeffrey Campbell, you know, like Lita boots. We love those. I wore those in high school. Oh, yeah, girl. I mean, I don't judge. Like, I was wearing it all. Francesca's necklaces. Everything. Crazy. So I think coming off of that, I was like already confused. And then moving here, it was kind of the era of, well, also LA does have a lot of sub different style in different areas. So like, you know, there's some like gorp core vibes in some areas.

23:18You know what I mean? Like there's some like very, that leans like super casual and like chore jackets and in some areas. And, and I don't even know, like there's different style all over the city. So I was inspired by all of it. Like I was like, wow, like it's really cool to see like the really, really, cause and there's also really, really polished women walking around that are like, you know, sometimes in like a pantsuit. And then maybe they might be wearing flats still, but they're in a pantsuit, you know, and in Beverly Hills or like whatever it is. And they have beautiful blouses and beautiful fabrics.

23:51And then there's like Venice, you know, and I lived in Venice for a little bit. We had like cool hats and like big vintage Levi trucker jackets. And I just think that there was like a lot all at once. And I was like really trying to like weave through it all because it was a lot of inspiration. It was a lot of influence. And I didn't quite figure it out for a few years, I feel like. This is where it shifted. I started to dress for my body type and what was flattering on me because a lot of these different things I was trying were not working. And I didn't see it right away. Like you don't really see it when you're in it.

24:31But looking back, I'm like, oh, like you were not dressing for your body type and what looked flattering on me. Like I do not wear shorts anymore. I hate shorts. Like I just I don't like them on me. And it's a thing just for myself. You know, you're in the right place. Yeah. The audience knows I have a personal vendetta against shorts. Everyone has their you're welcome here. No, I think I've heard you say that before. And I do love like a long short now. Like, but see, like you kind of have to learn what works for you and your body type. And I think that that's what kind of shifted me into my personal style because I was like, wait, like this is all not working.

25:11And why isn't it working? You know, like I also like, you know, have a larger bust and I'm like, how do you, how do I work with that and make that feel like, you know, a little bit more flattering or whatever. And if I'm wearing like a really tight top. Maybe I won't wear like a really tight bottom. It's like the balance of all those things. And I think it took me a while to get there, you know?

25:34Gabs Gofis: You were mentioning earlier that you feel like LA has helped you find a signature look, which I love. Yeah. I agree. I think it's a place of ease and repetition and it really allows you to like find that everyday sense of self. Yeah. I want to hear a little bit about how that was shaped in tandem with learning your body type. Because when someone says to me, oh, I learned my body type and I started dressing for it. What does that really mean? Yeah. So I think it's all about like the cuts of things and proportions is a huge thing. And not being afraid to size up or size down, like and know when to do those things.

26:10You kind of have to like use a lot of discernment when you're shopping because two sizes up might look way better than your true size. And it might, it just might read better. It might look styled differently. It will look like a completely different outfit, you know? So I think that that really helped me in not feeling so pigeonholed to like, first of all, my size and not feeling so pigeonholed to like, well, this is what you're like, what you should wear, you know? And, and you, you are like a size, you are size blank. And that's why also like, even online, and I know some of my followers probably get a little bit annoyed about this, but I don't like to always share my exact size because there's so much context behind it.

27:00And I think it's more helpful and maybe some would disagree, but I think it's way more helpful. And also like a lot of people like don't know us in person. Like they don't know exactly what your body looks like in person. Yeah, sure. You have a photo, like it can read a certain way, but people also think I'm 5 '8". I'm not 5 '8". I'm 5 '4", you know? So it's like, it's a little bit misleading sometimes where I'm like, no, I want to give you the best possible recommendation in sizing. And I think that saying like, this fits true to size, or I sized up to sizes from my true size, or whatever it might be, like those indicators feel a little bit more honest and a little bit more helpful.

27:41So like, that's also where, you know, I, even with myself had to be like, okay, what is my true size? You know, where am I? Like, where am I in my weight or like whatever, like in my sizing that I can give like a great recommendation based on that information, you know?

27:58Gabs Gofis: Can you give an example of like a piece that you've like sized up on that's worked? Because I've actually never tried that before. Okay. And I too am someone who's in between sizes. Sometimes I'm a, in some denim brands, they fit so tiny or like they fit big. So I'm a 24 or I'm a 26 or I'm a 25. Yes. It really differs. So I too am 5 '4". I'm not curvy. I'm pretty straight like a toilet paper roll as they told me in high school. But what, like give me an example. Yeah. So even these jeans, these jeans, which I was going to get into at some point, They're wonderful. They're by RLT. They're Rachel's new jeans that they are making in-house, which is like incredible.

28:39And I found that they actually ran a little bit small. They fit me in my true size. They fit me like objectively. They fit. They buttoned. And I was like, no, I need to size up because like this is not they're not laying how I want them to lay. They don't look like vintage Levi's in my true size to me. Like my vintage Levi's that I buy like are a little bit oversized. And so that's an example. Also, like in a lot of vintage, I like to size up, honestly, because I like to wear things lower on my hips personally. And since I am curvier, like I have to size up so that it'll fit like the most outward point of my hip, for example.

29:19Gabs Gofis: I love those. I tried them on last week. Yeah. So they're so good. Really good. We love RLT. Yeah. Love. I'm also wearing an RLT t-shirt. Same. We're wearing the same t. Is it the cotton cashmere one? Yeah. We're wearing the same T. It's the blend. It's the best. This is the best T. Guys. Best T-shirt ever. Yeah. I think ever. It is. I completely agree. It's such a great cut. It's in all the right places. But I think I'm wearing like a medium in it. I don't know my size. I sized up because I like it like a little longer. I don't like a crop T so much. Yeah. No, me either. It's so good. I get all my basics from her.

29:50Gabs Gofis: I love hearing you talk about LA style. Do you feel like LA gets a bad rep when it comes to fashion? I feel like everyone's like, it's lazy. It's leggings. It's this, it's that. Yeah, I think what I'd say to those people is, and if you walk around LA, you truly like can admire and appreciate the people that live here and the people that are getting dressed here. There is a way to elevate LA style. And I do think a lot of women do it, and men. There's great men's style in LA too. I have to give them credit. I think it's all about like a good elevated jacket, a good elevated accessory. Like, and those are the things that kind of bring it somewhere else.

30:31I think that because we're not super fancy, I mean, even when I'm like going to dinner here, sometimes I just feel like if I'm trying to be too overdressed, I'm like, this just isn't it. Like, it's just not how it is here. And you don't ever want to feel like you're, I mean, it's not bad to be overdressed, but I'm like, LA has this like an air where it's like, you don't want to be trying too hard, you know, because it is so easy. And even like the most, the most dressed up person in the restaurant might still be wearing jeans.

30:58Gabs Gofis: Yes. Like what are you wearing out to dinner at night? Like to a birthday party? I feel like the way I elevate my LA like day to night is with a heel. Yeah. A low heel, not anything crazy, but like a these. Yeah. Like a heel. I love Jude. Like I'm wearing a heel sandal right now. I love Jude. And I've gotten like two new pairs. Like this is also a part of my like closet gaps thing, which we like got to talk about at some point. So just cut me off whenever. But these Jude heels I got are like perfection for this like thing. Even last night, I wore a pair of Tory Burch heels. They're awesome. They're a little bit funky.

31:32Tory makes the best heels.

31:33Gabs Gofis: Oh my God, the best. And they're like, you're such a Tory girl too. I almost wore, I have like a pierce, like the pierced mule ones. I almost wore them today. They're my favorite. I have these peep toe ones from her last season. They still sell them. They're amazing. They have like the funkiest, chunkiest heel. They're so cool. And I'm like, this is how we can like bring a little bit of elevation, a little bit of city, you know, into our like really casual outfit. So that's what I'm doing or like a really cool clutch. Yep. That's what I do. Yep. For dinner. Because even like if I saw what you were wearing now without a cool shoe or clutch, I'd be like, oh, that's what I do.

32:07Like I just swap the shoe. I maybe add like a vintage silver extra cuff or something and like really good eyewear.

32:17Gabs Gofis: Okay, let's get into the in-between outfits because we've teased them so many times in this episode. I feel like it's time that we get there. Yes. So for in-between outfits specifically, and if those of you who are listening don't know what it is, it's a series that I kind of introduced on, I think it started on my TikTok. And I've always shared my daily style. Like I I will never stop sharing my daily outfits, things that like, you know, are repeatable, things that I'm wearing a ton of. Like, I'll always share that. But there was an instance where I think I had worn the same outfit three days in a row.

32:51Me every day in LA. Which happens so much. Especially if you work from home.

32:54Gabs Gofis: Like, if it's an outfit that I love and feel good in, it's like jeans, tee, same sweater, three days. And I do feel like there's a pressure on like people in our position to like change it up into like, or we put the pressure on ourselves. Maybe it's that. But like, I always am like, switch it up, you know, like wear something different, do it different. And I'm like, you know what? No, like this outfit I feel so good in. I don't feel like wearing anything else. I want to wear this again. And I was like, not going to share it because I was like, you've worn this a few times this week and you've already shared it a couple of times.

33:26Like, who cares about it? You know? And then I was like, you know what? I'm going to share it. I'm going to share it because it's realistic. It's kind of rooted in why I even started sharing on social media, which are like these very, for lack of a better word, basic outfits that, you know, are realistic, are easy, and are the outfits that we're actually wearing. We're actually wearing these outfits for errands, for school pickup, for coffee, for, you know, whatever it is, the grocery store and travel. Like these are the outfits that we're living in. And yeah, the outfits that we wear that are a little bit more fun, those are always going to be fun to share for inspiration too.

34:13But I wanted to kind of come back to my roots a little bit in sharing those in-betweeners.

34:21Gabs Gofis: So what were some of the in-betweeners? For people listening who haven't seen it yet, like can you talk us through some of the outfits that really got a great response. Totally. So, and it's funny because it's like in my head, I'm like, I forgot that these are the most beloved outfits. And I wear a lot of certain brands and that's what I'll say kind of shapes my in-between outfits. So it's like a lot of Donnie, which is one of my favorite brands. And it's lead, it's woman founded and lead. And I think that they have such an attention to detail on these cuts and on these silhouettes. And like, that's why it's so easy to wear these things every day because they're like, they're made so right.

35:04And you want to wear them every day. Like they fit you so well, you know? What are some of those like keepies from Donnie that you love? I love, like there's a cotton cargo pant that I have in like four colors. I've seen you wear those a lot. They look so good on you. They're a little bit of a barrel, right? No, they're straight.

35:20Gabs Gofis: Maybe I've just seen you in some great barrels recently. They're the best. And like those are like a pair that I wear so often. Still here in New York, makes incredible things for in-between outfits. And I wear a lot of like their sweat. They have a colors like collection within their brand. And it's like their cotton shirts and sweatshirts. And like those are a part of it too. And Donnie also makes like great sweatpants. And I think like that was another question you had for me. Like what are the sweatpants I'm wearing? It's nine times out of 10, Donnie. Like I love their sweatpants. I love their fleece, love their linen.

35:55Like they just, and they make great track pants. So I'd say like for all my in-between outfits, I'm really wearing a lot of certain brands. And Click too, Click by Lily Adele. Oh my God. I love Lily. She's so wonderful and nice. So wonderful. And talk about attention to detail. Like I was even talking to her last week and I hope she wouldn't mind me saying this, but like there was, she was even just describing how she like extended a seam on the crotch of something And like, like it's so, and that's why it's so flattering. And that's why so many people think that they look good, you know? And that's the difference.

36:29Like that attention to detail that a lot of these larger brands are really missing. And, and also quite frankly, I think that's why, like I was saying earlier, investing in these pieces that you like don't think to invest in because you're like, oh, like maybe I should just like get the cheaper version. And I think that there's so many alternatives that you can find that are similar to what I'm talking about. And I don't judge any budget and I like getting a deal too, but you will wear these pieces so much. And that's why I think it's really important because they've been touched by so many hands.

37:03There's so much thought behind the fit of things. And, and that's why like they're priced the way that they are, you know, because they're, they're, they're different. Like the fit is different and it's, and it's made to be so flattering.

37:16Gabs Gofis: One of the biggest things I'll advocate for in a good closet is investing in the everyday pieces. Yes. Obviously, we want to invest in like the great dress for a wedding. Yes. But 90 % of the times, you're going to live in that pair of gowny pants. Yeah, you're not wearing that dress every day. And you want those pieces to be flattering. Yes. Because the alternative is wearing something that makes you feel dressed down. Totally. Where you're like, oh, this is like baggy on me. I feel like not put together. I feel sloppy. Yeah. So it's like find that pant that like hugs you in all the right places.

37:45Gabs Gofis: Yes. And is your perfect everyday pant? Yeah, I say that like in between outfits for me are like, I used to use another term. I have a lot of terms on my channels, but I used to say slob chic. And it was like, I would like dress up a sweat pant, you know, and like actually like my hair would be in a bun and like I'd look pretty messy. But like at least I had like a cardigan on with my sweat pants. Like, so it's kind of balancing those things. And like slob chic is like slob chic is in-between outfits cousin, if you will. So we're kind of marrying all the things together, but really in-between outfits is special to me because these outfits that get looked over and passed over by all of us, you know, are just as important, equally as special, and you should feel good every day, even if you're going to run an errand.

38:35And I kind of realize this, I think it all kind of came at a point where I had left my full-time job at the end of last year. I got dressed almost every day for my full-time job. And that is so great for your mental health, to get dressed every day and feel put together. Even if you're not in business casual, but even if you're just dressed and you have some blush on, it works wonders for your mental health. And I think when I stepped out of that role and had to really self-start and do it for myself, that's when this was born. Because I was like, okay, how can I make these in-between outfits of me working from home more now and, you know, running errands and still feeling like I have purpose and still feeling like I feel put together?

39:22That's where I kind of got the idea for it all.

39:26Gabs Gofis: It's funny. I remember I redid my closet a year ago with one of my dear friends who's a stylist. And he asked me to put together a mood board of things that I was loving. The entire mood board was so dressed up, like trousers and heels and all these things, because that's kind of what I could find on the internet, obviously. And I think this is like one of the biggest problems with like outfit inspiration in the world right now. It's like Instagram's a highlight highlight reel. Like people want to shoot their best outfits, the best things. But I think it's very challenging to find people like you who are sharing those kind of in-between moments.

40:00Gabs Gofis: Totally. Pinterest is hard sometimes because I feel like it's a lot of repeat, like everyone's saving the same stuff and you want to feel like it's a little bit more unique. But I found that But it's doing inventory on yourself too really helps. And like looking back at your own stuff. So like deep dive into that a little bit because you do have another series called Gaps in the Closet. Yes, this is a perfect segue. This is the inventory on yourself I think is so important. Yes. I'm a big believer in like we spend so much time scrolling the internet. Like take that hour away and like spend it on your closet.

40:38Gabs Gofis: It will just benefit you so much in how you get dressed every day. I think a lot of people try to get dressed and find their personal style in the 30 minutes before they have to leave to the office. And I think you have to commit to feeling good the same way we commit to going to the gym. Yeah. I do feel like for gaps in the closet, that kind of came to be because I was getting dressed in these moments, like in these like panic moments, like getting dressed, like leaving in five minutes. And I'm like, I don't have a black pump. I don't just have a black pump. I didn't have a freaking black leather pump.

41:15Like for all these years, I'm 30 years old. I'm like, okay, it's time. You know, you can, you'll buy 10 jackets on Etsy. Like, you know, I'm like, let's buy a black pump, baby. You know, so I think it's just like these things that are like super fun to buy that don't like feel super unique and cool. We kind of avoid a little bit. So I was being very avoidant. on a lot of things. So I started to clock pieces that I was like, you need X, you need Y, like, what are we doing here? So then I went really old school, analog, and I got out a pen and paper. And I was like, we're actually going to go through.

41:53I was kind of like a stylist to myself. And I was like, let's go through this rack in all my closet and let's see what I'm actually missing. And I'll send you a photo of like my actual list that I actually jotted down and I shared it on Substack and Instagram and TikTok. And it was literally just like a bullet pointed list of what I'm missing, you know, and I like to do this now seasonally because I think that the gaps vary and there's priorities, right? So I felt like I had a priority to get a couple pumps and have those. And then there was like more seasonally, I go to Chicago and New York a lot.

42:36I don't have a jacket that is warm. I don't have a warm jacket. The idea behind it all is just going through your closet, you know, seeing what you need. And that really is kind of what shapes what I'm looking for and what I'm shopping for. It's like that feels inspiring to me. And to have that in your mind with that intention, you avoid impulse buying. Big time. Like that was a huge thing for me. I'm like, I'm buying all the wrong stuff. I'm like, this is not stuff that I'm wearing. This is not stuff that I need. And like, who wants to just be like wasting money like that?

43:15Gabs Gofis: Now, every time I go to buy something now, I'm like, do I actually need that? Yes. Or do I need the thing that's on my list? Totally. And it helped with replacements, which I don't think a lot of us talk about. There are things in your closet that are great, that you're not wearing, that you think you have covered in a category, but you don't because you actually need something very similar to it that has a few different tweaks that isn't that. And you're going to wear it way more and it's not collecting dust. The replacement category haunts me. Replacement category. Yeah. It's a real category.

43:51Gabs Gofis: It is. Literally, when I did this closet clean I was hoarding all of these things. And I was like, oh, it's a great black jacket. And my friend was like, but are you wearing it? And I was like, honestly, no. No, you don't reach for it. Nope. Let's find you the black jacket that you're going to wear. Right. No. And I realized a lot of this too. I realized like with my signature style, like in figuring that out, like I love cotton. I love cotton jackets. I love cotton pants. I love cotton suits. And I'm like, that's what we need more of. That's what you're wearing. So like, let's, let's keep that in mind when you're making these purchases, you know?

44:28So that has really, really helped, I feel like, with, with informing my shopping and, and keeping me inspired. And also, you know, there's brands that I love in a very holistic way. So what that means is in their collection, I could, I could see myself wearing every look in the collection. And you can't say that about a lot of brands. Like, So find those brands where you feel like every single look is something you would wear, right? And then back up a little bit. Now let's look at each of these looks and each of these pieces in their new ready-to-wear collection. And let's look at your gaps in your closet.

45:07And let's intentionally place these things. Let's invest in these brands that you want to invest in and bring them in in a way that feels natural, but also feels helpful. And you have a gap. let's fill it with the brand that you're obsessed with that you want to wear so badly. That's been a really nice practice for all of these wonderful brands that I like love that are just doing so great. And I don't know, it just it's helped. It's helped me with my shopping addiction.

45:38Gabs Gofis: Let's get into some of those because I do feel like you have so many great wrecks that I kind of want to go lightning round through some like great building your wardrobe questions. Yes. Okay. What are some things you would have in your closet always, no matter what? Always, no matter what. I think I've said this and I'm beating a dead horse. Vintage Levi's always, no matter what. Like the cornerstone of my closet for sure. And now I would say my tees and ballet flats, flip-flops. Where are your ballet flats from? I wear these pair of Jamie Holler ballet flats literally every day. I've had them resold two times.

46:14I need her to read, I need her to reissue them. They're amazing. But they're like these white cream ballet flats. And now you can get white cream leather ballet flats basically anywhere. But they have changed my life.

46:26Gabs Gofis: I used to be a pretty much sneaker exclusive. Same. Girl. And then the world changed. And then the world flipped upside down. And now I literally only wear these. Let's talk bottoms. Go to pants right now. Favorite track pants, favorite sweatpants. Yes. Kind of got into this too already. but Donnie makes my favorite track pants, sweatpants. Their fleece is amazing. Everything. Everything. All right. And then in terms of like other pants that are interesting, I think the still here sport jeans are like everything. They just like bring something different to the everyday denim. You know how we're vintage Levi's everyday, but like the sport jeans just keep it a little more special.

47:03And then the click Tommy pants. Oh my God.

47:07Gabs Gofis: You are someone who makes a track suit look impeccably chic. Oh wow. How are you doing that? where are you getting some of your tracksuits from? Okay. So, oh my God, I'm like going to say this again. I'm really plugging Donnie and still here. Got it. That's, that's it. That's all you need to know. By the way, you're following your own advice. You have found the brands that work for you. Yeah, that's it. I stick to what I know and that's why I wholeheartedly recommend doing this. Yeah. Yes. And like, and the pieces that I stand by, like I'm, I wear them daily. I could never see myself wearing track pants.

47:38Gabs Gofis: Yeah. How could I elevate them? Oh, with belly flat. Love that. Yeah. Like an Adidas track pant. So I have a pair. Tell me the parameters here. I actually have a photo that I'm thinking of and I wore it recently. It's a pair of Donnie track pants. They literally look like they're straight out of like 2005. Like my mom would have worn them. Okay. And I actually wore, I've been wearing them with my Imaguas neoprene ballet flats. Love. And I got those because these feel like a little bit more elevated. They're leather. I wanted a pair of like very casual ballet flats, like almost like the flip flop adjacent and casualness.

48:12Those are them like they're neoprene. They're like, they look like swim shoes and they're just, they like, they're like wetsuit material. So like wearing those with a track pad. Works. Works. Yeah.

48:22Gabs Gofis: Okay. I know that you talked earlier. You don't like shorts. Yes. But you said you like long shorts. I do. So tell me where you're getting long shorts from and what is your like short ethos for the summer? Yes. So I love the cool, the cool shorts from still here. They're wonderful. where I'm really low. I love your consistency. Oh, I'm so consistent. I think it's amazing. And it's actually inspiring me to do like an audit of the brands I really love and commit. Yes. I'm loving it. I love those. And I do love, there's a couple other ones that I think I could recommend. We need to talk about Chanlou, but also like the Chanlou like taffeta pants.

48:57So good. Those pink ones are so cute. The Chanlou taffeta pants are a staple and their shorts are really cute too. So I love those as well.

49:05Gabs Gofis: Chanlou, I find that there are some brands that like defrost in the summer and they're particularly perfect for summer. Like Chanlou is one of them. I can talk about Chanlou. Cedrez is one of them. Gamma Guastomy. Is that how you say it? Yes. Those brands for me? Plumable. Plumable. Summer brands. Yes. Tay Park. These are brands that thrive in the summer. Go to bag. What are you wearing every day? Oh, okay. This might shock you. So I've learned, and you have to be, I think, a big part of all these practices. And this is a realization I've had with my closet gaps in between outfits. Got to be honest with myself.

49:39And you know what? You know what I like wearing every day? A canvas or a nylon bag. Wow. I don't like wearing a leather, nice$10 ,000 shoulder bag. I love having that bag maybe one day, but I don't like wearing it every day. Are you buying the canvas bag or using it from a store that you got it from? I'm buying, like, I like my, I brought it today. I should grab it. It's my Hermes vintage canvas bag. It's like the little.

50:07Gabs Gofis: We're talking about two different things here. I think you're talking about like an aloe canvas bag. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're talking Hermes. Okay. It's like, but they're so well priced. Like it's under$300 on the RealReal. It's like a canvas, you know, beautiful bag. I also love in kind of in tandem with this Irv Chapelier. It's like a Paris like throwback. Like they make like really cute nylon bags. Love their bags. I was wearing that one every day and I was like, okay, I need to get something different, a little bit bigger. So like this is what I got and I have the medium size in this.

50:38That's what I wear every day. That's my everyday bag or a basket.

50:42Gabs Gofis: Jane Birkin. There you go. Very Jane Birkin. Very, very like LA laid back. I love it. Underwater weaving. Yep. Baskets every day. Okay. As an LA gal, where are you shopping? What are your favorite places to get the best things? Oh, well, we have such great shopping in LA. I actually just did an LA shopping guide on Substack, which is exciting. I gave all my faves, but off the top of my head, RLT, obviously I'm obsessed with. I love like women's boutiques, Mohawk and Silver Lake. Great. Just the incredible beau, who's the owner. She is so impressive. She curates to the gods, like really, really great brands.

51:17And they have like a really nice range of price point. I mean, they sell the road there, but they also sell Yma Guas and like Paloma Wool and great other brands too. Tibby. Oh my God, Tibby. I could talk about Tibby all day too.

51:29Gabs Gofis: Love Tibby. Tibby's like a great in-between outfit brand. And then like I love Teller and Writes. Writes is in Manhattan Beach. Teller's in Culver City at the platform. The platform's like a great little destination to go shop at. For vintage, I love the Deg in Venice. So good. Best jeans. That guy can look at you and he just throws you a pair and like it's the craziest thing. It's actually intimidating. It's so intimidating. In the best way. I'm like just trust me. Tell me what to do. Yeah. And I leave with like six Yeah, he throws you them and then like they fit wonderfully. I'd recommend going during the week.

51:57I also love RLT's denim, as we know. And other vintage arcade. Oh, arcade is wonderful. Downtown LA. I love Scout too. And Recess.

52:10Gabs Gofis: Oh, Recess is amazing. Recess is amazing. But like really vintage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you're not like it's more like costume vintage. Yeah, totally. Does that make sense? Yeah, totally. A lot of costume jewelry. Yes, I found like great statement pieces. there. For like more every day, I think Scout is great. And Arcade, like, oh my god, Arcade has amazing like event. Okay, before we wrap, we have a segment on the show called Let's Get You Dressed. Listeners submit events, trips, anything they have coming up and need an outfit for. Yeah. And we have our guest help style them. Okay. Someone dropped in and this is something I feel like I'm getting asked so much right now.

52:45Gabs Gofis: I need a different POV. Yeah. Someone said, I am going to a wedding this year. It's in a like barn kind of floral situation, East Coast vibes. I'm looking for an amazing dress under$500 that I can wear again, that I can wear to this event, but also have in like my capsule wardrobe for life. Where should I look? So immediately where my head is going, like I'm racing. I'm like, where are we going? Where are we going shopping? I think that there, I think that you could probably find like a really incredible, almost like a silk chiffon, floral vintage moment, 60s or 70s. And you could use all these search terms on Etsy or plug it into Google, to be honest with you.

53:27And it'll spit out like smaller, even smaller vintage curators. DeVore Vintage. DeVore Vintage, I've gotten event wear from before. How do you spell DeVore? D-E-V-O-R-E. Okay. They're based in Alabama. Cool. Which is really cool. Do you remember that dress I wore? It was like a gunmetal, very, very antique.

53:48Gabs Gofis: I don't, but I'm like, oh my God, it was like, it was sick. And it had like tulle and I was halter. It was beautiful. So I think like a place like that or like Farmer's Daughter, they have like really, really cool, very vintage, delicate, floral moments. I've never heard of any of these. Yeah. Wow. So these are just small vintage sellers. Small vintage sellers. Yeah. And like some of them have gotten like super big, but I do think, I do think we could find you something super one of a kind. Yep. Super, as I like to call it, heirloom worthy. Like that's, that's me. If I see something like, I love the, I obviously love like the in between too, but there's some things that you come across in your shopping and you're like, that is an heirloom.

54:28And like that dress that I wore to the event, like that was an heirloom. It's an heirloom.

54:33Gabs Gofis: And it was so beautiful on you. Yes. Thank you. I think if you're going to a wedding and it's like in a barn garden situation, Go for florals. Yeah, go for a floral moment. Like, I think you'll feel really good about it. But I love the advice of finding— Silk chiffon is crucial. Crucial. This was so fun. I love this episode so much. Thank you so much for coming on and for all of the guidance. You're so sweet. I feel like Gabs really knows Fashionfall. So much of what we talked about today is on your sub stack. Yes. It will be linked in the description of this episode. You guys can find it really easily.

55:01Gabs Gofis: Amazing. You're the best. Thanks, guys. Bye. Bye.

55:09Thank you.