NYFW Debrief: Romanticism Revival, Wuthering Heights, and More

0:02Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Let's Get Dressed. It's your host, Liv Perez. I am currently in New York City. I'm here for New York Fashion Week. I've been doing a bunch of shows, events, podcasts, things, and it would not be a New York Fashion Week without me jumping on the mic to debrief you guys everything I have seen, saved, shared, screenshotted from the week, both on and off the runways. And I had to bring on my friend and social media guru, Lydia Berry, co-founder of Darlington, a social media agency, to be our resident Gen Z eyes and ears as to what is actually driving conversation online right now and the things on her radar as well.

0:40We talk about Ralph Lauren's romantic revival. I feel like I'm seeing so much of that everywhere right now and the iconic wardrobe on Wuthering Heights and how that's another thing that I'm seeing everywhere. And we unpack why fashion just feels really different right now. I feel like we're entering a new era of dressing for joy. We also talk about the power shift at Vogue, what it signals for the future of media, trends we're loving, and so much more. I love these conversations. It's so fun when I get to sit on the couch with a friend and just debrief. So I hope you guys enjoy it as much as we did.

1:10We're back. Hey. How are we doing? She hasn't had coffee yet today. She just left her phone in an Uber upon walking into this podcast episode. But she's got a really gone five hours of sleep. Oura Ring hates us. Oura Ring hates. But she does have a really cute outfit on today. And I think that that makes everything emotionally better. If I was in an ugly outfit and all this happened to me. like you'd see tears terrible day but and you saying that my outfit is cute is the world's better again yeah it's like if you have a cute outfit on and bad things happen to you you're just Olivia Pope and you're oh my god you don't know that reference right um scandal yeah okay I got so nervous that I would have to explain that to you and I was like we gotta cut this scandal big time I've Alex and I have seen scandal from the beginning to end maybe seven times.

1:58We watch it start to end once a year. Actually, funny story. Alex and I went to the Baby to Baby Gala and Kerry Washington was actually there and she was there with Katie Lowe's who plays Quinn in the show. And we were with Hannah Bromfman and Brendan Fallis and they know that Alex and I are big fans and Hannah and Kerry are friends. And we just like they went to go talk and we stood in the corner and I'm my back is facing them. And Alex just goes, oh, no. and you can I turn around and I see Kerry Washington, Katie Lowe's, Hannah and Brendan all staring at the two of us going, come here, you guys.

2:32Come here. And I'm like, oh, no. So we go over there and I'm like, I don't get starstruck often. No. I'm like, hi. And Alex is like, dude, big fan, like huge fans. Like we literally watch Scandal once a year. Like he's doing the whole thing. And I go to Kerry and I go, hi, I'm Olivia. And she goes, I was an Olivia for a really long time. And I go, I literally looked at her, I put my hands up and I go, I have to go. I have to go. I go, I know. I absolutely know that. It was a moment in time and I'll never forget it. And I'm pretty sure there's like a weird selfie that Alex took somewhere that exists in the world.

3:11But it was. You have to post that now when this episode goes live. That's the promo, by the way, for this episode. This episode with no context. But yes, I love Scandal. And yeah, if bad shit happens to you, just always have a good outfit on because then you can handle it. It's handled, as she says. It's handled. It's handled. We will get your phone back. I promise. I know it'll come back. It will come back. Anyways. Okay, let's talk fashion. Anyways, how is your fashion week going? Fashion week is great. What have you been up to? Well, I've been, you know what I've been up to? I've been here with you.

3:43We got in what, Monday? I'm like, what day is it? Okay, we got in on Monday. I got in Monday. You took a red eye. We went straight on Tuesday to the Ralph Lauren fitting, which was very cool. It was great. It was crazy. And then Ralph Lauren show, which what are your thoughts? We didn't, you know what? We didn't talk about like the actual looks and the fashion and like, obviously it was an out-of-body experience. I think I was in a state of shock. Yeah. I think I'm only coming to. I think you are too. Because we haven't discussed. Do you remember when we were in there and I looked at you and like my eyes started to well and you were like, okay.

4:18Yeah. I thought Ralph was so special. And also, I just think Ralph Lauren's having a moment. I think it's interesting to look at a brand that has existed and has such a deep, like, is so deeply ingrained in American history. And I think what's interesting about that is they've done, like, they don't need to exist almost in the world of fashion. They have their own bubble that, like, is constantly orbiting and it doesn't need to partake in anything. They always can kind of do their own thing. Yeah. And so I think it's always amazing to see what they come up with and like what they think is current and interesting.

4:55Yeah. And for some reason, they always nail it. I don't know how they do it. It's like they're just so on the nose of what's happening, like from the collection they did during men's to then designing an incredible Olympics collection to then this show that like was kind of perfectly timed with the Wuthering Heights premiere. Like Like you're talking about these looks that are like so rooted in romanticism and escapism and like the style of the 1800s, like the ruffles, the embroidery, the chain mail. Like it is amazing that those two things are happening at once. And they are, yes, coincidental.

5:28Like Wuthering Heights and Ralph are not talking to make this moment happen. But like, I think that's what's so cool about fashion is that like these cultural moments happen at the same time. They happen in tandem. And that's kind of like what crystallizes trends and moments in fashion. and I think that it's cool that they're never really on purpose. But do you think though that like, because sometimes I'm like, I do feel like subconsciously there are signs, like, you know, like people like the recession indicator, like there's like other socioeconomical, if you will, characters in play of like, why were they both thinking of like that at the same time?

6:01I do feel like some of them are just coincidences, but then I feel like other trends are more like, you know, like we're seeing, I don't know. I think. Or do you think it's all just like pure coincidence? I think in general, since new designer debuts happened in September, there's kind of been a cultural reset in fashion in terms of what we're paying attention to. And I think the way that people want to dress. Really, I think why Mathieu Blasie's first collection for Chanel was so monumental for so many people and beloved is because it like quite literally was an encapsulation of dressing for joy.

6:37And I think in the last five years, I guys, I'm going to say this and I hate that I'm saying this, but we're talking about culture here. I hate using the QL word, but we're going to talk about quiet luxury for two seconds. Those are eras in fashion, right? Right. Even right now, like where Carolyn Bissett Kennedy is such a part of the conversation with the show coming out. But that was an era that was really impactful during the 90s where people were dressing in minimalism. It was the era of Carolyn, Calvin Klein. It was a very different time, right? And those eras happen and then the pendulum swings and we go to something else.

7:08since I think that Chanel collection, there has been so much joy in fashion. Fringe, movement, ruffles, feathers, all these textures and ways of dressing that are exciting and get people happy. And look, not to say that like those things are the standard of happiness. Like, I think of Brenda Hashtag who like loves to wear all black and that makes her happy. And like, I get like that's that's to each their own. Right, right, right. But I just think in general right now, like all these ways of dressing, like romanticism, Wuthering Heights, the Ralph collection. Like I think that those are landing, like the plane is landing on those things because of where we are at culturally in fashion.

7:48Whereas like if that happened during this quiet luxury moment, we'd be like, no one wants to dress like that right now. Right. So I think it's just a bigger testament to like what's happening in like the greater sphere that these things land. Right, right, right. The Ralph show was incredible. Yeah. I think you said the right, like it felt special. Yeah, it felt special. In a way that I just feel like, I mean, listen, every show would feel special, but I don't know, that one just felt, the music, like I think music really can, I don't want to necessarily say like make or break a show, but I went to a show last night that had really bad music.

8:31And I was like, it just it takes and maybe it's just me. Like maybe I'm like a musically inclined like that. But music is so emotional to me. And it's part of the show. And it's a big part. It's part of the it's the senses, you know. And so to me, it's like you have to you have to really nail that. Otherwise, like I'm looking at the clothes differently. I'm taking in the atmosphere differently. Like I'm watching it through completely different lines of like the music isn't quite aligned. music can absolutely make or break a show because it's how it is seeped into the way that you remember that moment right if it's a cheesy song it's not going to land all of those things the soundscape the set the way the models walk the emotion all of those things are so crucial to the way that you show a collection right so the music feels feels cheesy in your mind you're going to say this is a very commercial collection commercial that's the perfect word yes and like And maybe that's the intention of a brand.

9:29No problem. Fine. Who do you think is in charge of picking the sound? They are called soundscape artists. But does Ralph Lauren have a soundscape artist that works full time? No. They consult people in. So like Kay Trinata, who's an incredible DJ, will be brought in for soundscapes. And like those are always obviously incredible. Christopher John Rogers, when he was showing, would bring in unbelievable soundscape artists and put them on Spotify. I think some of them are still there. Yeah. I feel like there's something like deeper that these like designers and shows could be doing with the music aspect.

9:58Similar to how Charlie XCX did the entire Wuthering Heights soundtrack. And now we're like excited about Wuthering Heights because there's also Charlie XCX attached to it. I know these shows obviously aren't as like these fashion shows aren't as big of like a, you know, it's not a movie. But in terms of like a buzzy social moment, I don't know. I feel like there could be some more fun to it. Yeah. Yeah. Marketing. Yeah. I think when it comes down to it, like budget's a big factor. Like these brands don't have a lot of money to be able to dedicate to these big artists coming in. Fashion shows are incredibly expensive to put on.

10:30I remember a couple of years ago, there was a deep dive into how much a show really costs for a young designer. And I think it ended up being somewhere in the ballpark of like 200 grand. Yeah. All the way. And it actually charted all the way back to like the beginning process of putting on a show. It's like getting the samples, getting the fabrics, the back and forth of tailoring. And that's even before guests getting samples out, models, hair and makeup, transporting looks to guests, cars, all that stuff. So it's a huge investment for a brand. So I can imagine that like the soundscape is like kind of low on the totem pole.

11:07You know, I'm also wondering for you if you thought there's not been a lot going on this week. I feel like February kind of is like that, though. I agree. I don't think there's a lot going on. I too, because I'm constantly, you know, looking online, like I'm not really seeing anything. It feels very turnkey this season. It's like, OK, and the celebrity is here. And like, that makes sense. And like, because they started the campaign three months ago and like, cool. And it's like these kind of like one and done moments. Like there's no big wow factor, I feel like that we've seen. I will say the Michael Kors show, Christy Turlington closed, which I thought was exciting, especially because she has like such deep roots in the brand.

11:48It It was kind of an iconic moment. Yeah, like that felt iconic. And it was like the 45th anniversary. But yeah, I don't know. Outside of that, I'm like, I'm not as inspired this season as I have been other seasons. Was it you this week that said that this, that February always feels a bit more industry? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I think is really valid. September, this might be a very simple generalization of what's going on, but like no one wants to go out in this weather. and I think that brands don't want to put money behind betting on this big splashy event if god forbid it's going to snow and people are going to get stuck in like cold weather yeah so I think that is an important aspect of it but I also think like from an industry perspective it's always a really busy time like award season is right now yeah celebrities need to be elsewhere right like and also like a few years ago like the Grammys were the same weekend as fashion week it was crazy you would have people flying back and forth that's crazy samples were flying everywhere I always make the joke that like who's the master of the calendar because they like really failed.

12:45I don't know. I think it's just I think things change. I will say what I thought was like a really cool shift in the calendar was that Tori went first instead of last. Oh, yeah. Which I think is fun. Yeah. Like, you know, Tori just keeps getting better and better. I feel like. I think she's found their stride. Big time. I think they always have a really interesting mix of people at their shows. Absolutely. Which like is a little bit of like a wow factor. I'm excited to see who's going to be there versus like it never really feels expected. I think their social strategy has been great. Them bringing in like I feel like it's kind of tradition now at this point.

13:19It's like who's going to be the like interviewer, like the correspondent tonight. And like, oh, I've been eating out was this year. Who who was it? Something that I love that they do is like they do have a repeatable. They love to like bring in repeat people. So like old loser in Brooklyn, Mandy Lee, who is our first guest on the podcast this year, always goes backstage and does like a freaky shoe report because she is known for her love of freaky shoes. So she will and Tory Burch obviously makes the most unbelievable shoes. Incredible. By the way, guys, if you have not seen this show yet, I thought so many pieces were great, but the heroes were the shoes.

13:49There was like this velvet strappy flat that I just like live for. And so go look at Mandy's coverage of the Tory Burch freaky shoes. But it was so good. And so like they did that. But then they also like pick someone who's like kind of going viral at the moment. So like Dylan Kelly, who's doing these videos that it's like, oh, you don't know Donatella Versace? Walk with me. Like, have you seen those? No. For the listeners, because I just feel like this would be fun. Also wearing jeans. Babe, this is Luca Sabat. Jeans are tough. Oh, you're scrolling Luca's Twitter. Come walk with us. So it's always like the come walk with us thing.

14:24And then he actually goes into like the explanation of whatever the thing is. And he's done a lot of these things and like that are like really rooted in like fashion history and fashion lore. And I think it's really great. So Tori had him do it backstage and he was like interviewing all the models, which I thought was cute. Wait, but the Alex Consani content backstage. Alex Consani is the, in my mind, most incredible on air person. It's incredible. I have. How does she do it? Ever seen. I've never seen someone who is wittier or sharper or quicker in my life. It's crazy. And the Tori and Tori like as a brand to like have that piece of content live on.

15:01You She literally, I think Dylan was like, what were you doing before you were modeling? And she was like serving. Yeah. C word. Yeah. And I was like, she was like, I've been doing that forever. And I was like, how did her slogan is closed mouths don't get fed. I'm obsessed with her. And I love seeing all of her content. I love that models are like becoming personalities like that too. Like from a brand standpoint, like how exciting that like, like they're casting Alex because they also know she's probably going to be great for social content too, you know? Right. So I've been in New York the last week running around for Fashion Week.

15:36And I always love New York Fashion Week because I come home with so much good styling inspiration. There are so many amazing trends and styling ideas that I cannot wait to try for spring. And my number one trick to get all the trends is to go to Banana Republic this season because they make nailing that look feel so easy and they have everything you need. There are a few spring trends that we have to talk about. My favorite one was spring suede. I always say you don't have to only wear your suede in the fall and winter. I love it year round. I love these trousers and white top that I'm wearing.

16:05And I feel like this jacket just makes it look so good. I built this look specifically around this Banana Republic suede shirt jacket. One, I love a shirt jacket because it just feels like a great layer, but it also feels perfect for spring. I layered it with this amazing cream boat neck top from Banana Republic. I love a boat neck. I think it just gives this very, very chic cut. And it looks way more tailored and put together than a classic white tee. And then I finished the look with these tailored black trousers. and I love a patent leather belt for a little bit of shine. Another major trend that I saw that I loved everywhere, both on the runway and in real life too, was a lot of utilitarian inspired clothing.

16:41Think structures, pockets, clean lines, but done in a way that still feels really modern and elevated. This is so great if you're on the go or you're going to podcast episodes like me and just want to look really polished, but also really put together. These are the pieces that work overtime in your wardrobe. They're doing double duty. They're great for a school drop-off, for meetings, or you can even throw on a heel and look really great at night. And Banana Republic has always been known for this category. They are so good at iconic workwear moments, especially in those iconic 90s ads. I love how prevalent they are today.

17:13There's this one piece that I love. It's their utility shirt jacket. It also has a matching pair of pants, and it is perfect for everything. I love it with flats during the day, but heels at night, it's one of those outfits that you just feel so put together without really even trying. That's why I love a matching set for. You just always look so good. And then my last trend and my favorite one, that is amazing color combos. It's one of my favorite things to style to make an outfit look really elevated, but also really effortless for every day. It's really chic and unexpected because it's one of those like high impact, low effort outfits.

17:46One of my favorite ways to incorporate a good color combo, start with a sweater. Knitwear is everything and Banana Republic has so many good ones this season. For spring, I've really been reaching for those lightweight styles and knits and in really fresh colors, like a light pink, for example. They have a cotton cashmere short sleeve sweater that is perfect for this. I would get it in that blush pink color and maybe throw an olive trench coat layered over it. That color combo is one of my favorites. I also really love light pink with like a deep maroon too. And I always say when it comes to style, simple doesn't mean boring.

18:17So if you feel like throwing on just a simple sweater feels boring, know that if you use great color, it can feel really effortless and polished with not really trying too hard. So that is your New York Fashion Week spring trend report. To get the look, I am leaning into Banana Republic's new spring rivals. The collection is so good, especially pieces like that utility jacket and the cotton cashmere short sleeve sweater. Those two pieces I'm going to be living in all spring. You can find all of these pieces online and in store now. This segment was brought to you by Banana Republic. And then did you see the American Vogue cover with Rosalia.

18:50Yeah. So this is Chloe Maul's first cover. Okay. Yeah. I'm a little confused here. Go ahead. And maybe the classes too. Yeah. Go ahead. Like, why are they doing joint interviews? They're business partners now? Like they're partners? Okay. So Lydia is talking about the New York Times joint interview that Chloe Maul and Anna Wintour did this week. It was a four and a half minute sit down interview where the two of them basically talked about what they each feel about Vogue, leadership styles, looking towards the future. And a lot of people asked why. I think that obviously happened because this was Chloe Mall's first Vogue cover.

19:28Like she's really being seen now. Yes, this is her first cover. So I think they were doing press around it. Chloe Mall was also on the Today Show. She was interviewed by Jenna Bush Hager. Yeah. So I think they're doing some press right now at the moment. Okay. But what are their, what are their, so Anna Wintour is still editor-in-chief. Anna is now the global editorial director of Vogue and the chief content officer of Condé Nast. Whereas I'm pretty sure Chloe Malz is the head of editorial content. There was one thing that I got served on my Instagram that I really loved and would love to hear your thoughts on from like the Gen Z perspective always.

20:00That's why we bring Lydia on to humble us and bring us to the current time. So there is a woman who works in politics. Her name's Amanda Littman. And she is the co-founder of an organization called Run for Something. She's actually been on this podcast before, like way back in 2020. She essentially helps young people run for office. She gives them the resources, the how-to, and she really gives people a platform who might not know their way into politics. I love what she does. I think she's amazing. She wrote a book recently. I haven't read it, but she posted on Instagram a very poignant clip from this interview with Anna and Chloe.

20:37And I guess she has a theory called armor versus authenticity. And it is her way of explaining the difference between generational leadership styles. And in the clip, you see Jessica Testa, who's the New York Times interviewer, and she says to both of them, so when was the last time you were nervous? And you see Chloe go, my favorite clip, 30 seconds ago, like before we started this interview. And then she goes, and what about you? And Anna goes, you're asking me that? And she said, yes. And Anna goes, I never get nervous. I've never been nervous or something like that. And Amanda posted on Instagram and said, this is a perfect example of this theory that I talk about, which is armor versus authenticity.

21:14And that in today's world, young people want someone that they can relate to. They want someone that feels real to them. Absolutely. Whereas the old guard is very used to like being really put together and behind kind of closed doors. And I thought that that was even, I think about this a lot. I thought that that was even like in the way they talked about budgeting. I don't know if you saw this part, but there was a budget question. And Chloe was like, I would pay our, I would increase salaries by 30%. I would pay our social team more. Like she got really in the nitty gritty of it. Whereas Anna was like the PR answer.

21:45We have a very healthy budget that gets put in the right places for right moments. And also, I really quickly want to say before I hear your POV, like I, I like have a lot of empathy for Anna in that moment who has been raised in a business setting and been a woman put in the position of power. Yeah. And has probably been trained to be that poised. Right. and put together because that's what was demanded of women in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s when she was coming up in media. Yeah. So that is the way that she's gotten to where she is. So like, I don't want to say that she is just like a PR talking head.

22:17Of course not. But she also has like probably a chair of 10 men executives, you know, on the board that are also watching this answer and like are maybe expecting more of a PR answer than they like. So my POV is and I think about this a lot because I have a business, I have a team and I'm constantly shifting between, OK, when am I letting them know that like red flag, I'm like, I'm stressed right now and like this is a problem or like I'm nervous right now or this is how I'm really feeling. And when is it actually better for me to put on a front and put on that armor and be like, no, no, no, guys, don't worry.

23:00Like there's no fire happening right now. Like do not stress about it and like make them feel supported and like make sure it's calm when like really I got to go put out the flames. So personally, I think it's like a balance of both though. Like I do think that we are seeing more of this transparency. And I think ultimately, like when I think about like my other jobs too, It's like as someone looking up to leadership, like I wanted the transparent answer. I don't care if you didn't know the answer to my question. Like, tell me that, you know, don't I don't want a PR thing like it's we're like, especially just like as colleagues in the workplace, too.

23:36Like, it's better to have the transparency. And like, especially with these big corporations, like you want to hear the actual answers. And but then at the same time, I understand like, you know, if Anna maybe hadn't said that, like maybe there would have been a headline written. and like you it's like such a delicate balance. But ultimately, I side with the the side of transparency, both like personally and but also like within these like with the Vogue, like this example, I think is perfect. Like it was very it was such a contrast. Big time. Like a lot of people and I'm sure you love this. Like a lot of people were like, I'm so glad she shouted out the social media.

24:12Oh, my God. When she said the social team, I was like, girl gets it. Like, thank you. So that That's a good point in terms of values. I am excited knowing that that's top priority for her to see how maybe that does get implemented or just knowing that she is fond of the social team and knows that like they are what makes the business grow and Vogue be seen and have that awareness. Like, are we going to maybe put more thought into it? Like, can we expect like some exciting, like, am I excited to like consume Vogue content again? I don't know. Those are the things that I thought I've consumed the week more than shows, to be honest.

24:49Fully, fully, fully, fully. Like the two vote covers, this video, like everywhere I've gone, those are the things that people have brought up. Let's talk about another thing that I think is sacred text, which will be sacred text, which is the Wuthering Heights. Oh yeah, we haven't talked about that at all. Press wardrobe. I'm obsessed. Do you want to see it on Sunday? I leave at 8 a.m. Oh. I've heard mixed things. I've heard mixed things. Kirby Johnson, who's one of my favorite fashion journalists, said that you must go see it twice and to only see it with the women in your life. Oh. Is what I've been told.

25:18I assume because it's raunchy as hell. Yeah. So wait, but thank you for a raunchy as hell movie with Jacob Elordi and Margaret Robbie. We love. But sometimes I feel like when the casting is too good like that, that like sometimes the movies aren't that great. Do you know what's interesting about this? I think at this point, the press tour was so good that it doesn't matter if the movie is good or bad. And the same will go for The Devil Wears Prada. Yeah. Does not matter if the movie is good or bad, guys. The Devil Wears Prada, just so everybody knows, is going to come out the same week as Met Gala.

25:53No. Incredible. So you're going to have all those people on incredible press tours. Yeah. And the Met Gala as a part of that press tour. Right. Which, by the way, there's also like a Met moment in the movie. So it doesn't matter if the movie is good or bad, I think. At the end of the day, I think these press tours actually have moments to have the opportunity to supersede the movie. And I think that's a new thing. Yeah. Oh, fully. I'm not rushing out the door to go see Wuthering Heights. I probably will when I'm back. But like, I don't care. It's already iconic to me. It's already sacred text.

26:20It's already in the book of fashion history. But how do they make money then? Like you need to see the movie. You know what I mean? It's not my problem. But yeah, I'm just saying like, yeah, I'm like a brand perspective. It's like, how do you turn? And I only know this is this this what just happened will make people go see it. Right, right, right. Her looks. No, her again, sacred text, like sacred text. So incredible, but also expected, but unexpected. Yes. I thought she like, she, okay. Margot Robbie is the true fashion chameleon. Yeah. This woman can go from Wolf of Wall Street. Incredible.

26:57To Barbie. Tanya. to I, Tonya, to I, Tonya, to Wuthering Heights, Romanticy. It's crazy. Custom Chanel and Schiaparelli. So and land the plane so hard. Yeah. But I think, for example, when I think of like this era of dressing and like, OK, I'm expecting lace and I'm expecting, you know what I mean? That is what I expected. But the way the styling choices, the fabrics, like the way it was paired like that's why I'm like it's it was expected but it was something about it was like a little bit different which I think was so exciting and why I think a lot of people were like oh this is interesting charlie xcx's custom looked incredible she's having such a moment lol moment also the moment press so meta but I'm like that is true like people will study that in textbooks in terms of like social rollout oh say more say more as people will study this in terms of social rollout what was impactful for you about it like the fact like they're capitalizing on tiktok like the fact that they were like doing the trends of the moment like with the cast and like the fact that they like like what stood up to you like the fuck you trend i didn't see that but it was like charlie and who are the other girls in the movie kylie charlie kylie um who's the rachel rachel it was charlie kylie and rachel like doing a trend uh that was like of the time on TikTok and it was like had to do with the moment too.

28:27It was so exciting. And it's like fun because you're like, oh, like they're in on it. Like it's exciting. And then like when they're like when Charlie teased, I think like when tickets were on sale or maybe like the launch of it, it was one big announcement. It was a photo of her and Kylie from behind the scenes on set, like holding like a little director's cut, like in their underwear. And I'm like, that's the photo that people want to see. Like, I don't want to see the, you know, The press photo. The press photo. And I think some people are still doing some of the press photo vibes. And listen, I do think if Jacob and Margot were to make a TikTok in the Weathering Heights, it would have been even more.

29:03You know what I mean? One of the most viral moments of 2025 was when Romy Mars, Sofia Coppola's daughter, they had done a TikTok together, the two of them. And it was the first time you'd ever seen Jacob in TikTok normal setting. And you were like, whoa, the guy's on a roof doing a TikTok just like the rest of us. So like putting these celebrities in these like very authentic moments that like we're all in, they land. Like that stuff went viral. I think it had like 40 million views. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just it's exciting to see them in like a different context and like also know that like they're in on it a little bit, you know, like they're not better.

29:36It's I understand that it's a delicate, you know, you still want Jacob Elordi to be untouchable. Right. So it's like, you know, I don't I don't maybe I don't want to see him every day on TikTok. But like I do think what Charlie's doing and the team over there is like really incredible. And like every outfit she wears is so it's like her, but it's perfect. Like it's a masterclass in theme dressing without being cheesy. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Like they're pulling on themes. And the way that Andrew went through Fashion Archive and found these moments that felt so relative to the subject matter without feeling cheesy.

30:09Like she's not walking out in something that feels like she's in Bridgerton. Right. But like it felt of the time, but modern and like slightly sexy because the movie is sexy. Like I think when these moments are successful to me, it's like when a stylist sits down and is able to pull on the obvious themes, but then also the undertones. Right. And find moments in between. Margot Robbie and John Galeano from Spring, Summer to 92. It's like there are so many themes from this that make sense, right? Like the coat is like this tapestry fabric that takes you back to the 1800s in a way that feels like so authentic.

30:45Right. Like the feathers. It makes sense. But then the whole the whole tone of this movie has been like yearning, raunchy. There's something in there. Yeah. And of course, she just looks hot and she has like a garter belt and like these knee high stockings. So I think when you're able to take all of these themes and make them make wear something that makes the audience think about that. Yeah. Genius. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Now I'm eating it up. Sacred text. Sacred text, guys. We'll be talking about this forever. I want to ask you one final question, which is that is there something from this week that you've like screenshotted, saved, loved in terms of style that you want to try that you're looking forward to for spring?

31:27So I actually saw Gabby Rose Wrestler post just like an outfit, like roundup of looks. it was a very cute caption postcards from my bedroom and it's like her like cute in her bedroom very cute wait wallpaper diva love literally so good wallpaper guys she's wearing a ripped jean hers is like a little bit like it looks like yes and it's also below the knee which i think is interesting yeah it's like it looks like a vintage pair yes moment yes i think it's like if we're gonna do it we have to do it kind of like this yes kind of in a similar vein because it has to do with like that texture i see a lot of like tassels and fringe fringe always like i think that's always a thing.

32:03But I've seen a lot of people tying like a little scarf with like tassel. I'm saying tassel is wrong. It looks like fringe on the end of a scarf. And I saw it at Zara like a tassel, like a fringe trim. Yes. I've been seeing a lot of that and I kind of like how it adds like texture and layer to things. Yeah. Like the Poof, Christina Grasso, my fave, was wearing like a thin silk scarf that had fringe on the trim and it added a lot to her. It's like something that's like exciting and interesting and like joyful, if you will. I think last year we saw a lot of like the scarves tied around the waist.

32:35And I think people like like a layering moment and an opportunity to play around with like something different. Yeah. I think we're going to see a lot of scarves this year, like guest in residence did those cashmere bandanas. And I've seen those all over my feed, like over the head, over the head, the balaclava. I think we're going to see a lot of those like technical accessories, which we talked about at the beginning of the year. And oh, tassels. I feel like Jacques Mousse is designing a lot of pieces with that like kind of like fringy moment like at the end. Somebody just wore a dress, I think.

33:05Olivier Dean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's who it was. That's yeah. It's fun. Fine. I'll send me the link. I'll buy it. I literally what Liv wears, I wear. Like my style is your style now at this point. Not true. You have your own identity, babe. Yeah, but I like yours. Thanks. thanks so much for doing this thanks always fun to like touch base with you and hear your thoughts on like what's moving the needle in social media I always have a really great time in these combos thanks also guys follow Lydia on Instagram she's at Lydberry I will put it in the description of this episode amazing you're the best bye

33:52Thank you.